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| mordred | slagle, dansmith: replied on list - but thank you for calling me out. I am quite sorry, it was inappropriate. | 02:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pengfei Ni proposed openstack/governance master: Add openstack/kubestack project. https://review.openstack.org/462460 | 09:41 |
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| cdent | mordred: can I replay (here) my understanding of the aliases thing back to you so you can confirm or deny my comprehension? | 11:40 |
| mordred | cdent: yes! | 11:40 |
| cdent | k, 1. provide a machine consumable document that associates proper service types with known aliases, 2. programmticaly use that document _client_side_ to say "I want 'block-storage' and look in service catalog for 1st that endpoint, fail to first alias, fail to second alias, [...], totally fail, 3. if not fail, profit by getting (with luck) the unversioned endpoint | 11:43 |
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| cdent | on 2, if can't programmatically, at least can use eyes to do it manually | 11:43 |
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| mordred | yes | 11:44 |
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| cdent | roger | 11:44 |
| mordred | (although the aliases thing doesn't get us to unversioned endpoint - that's a similar but larger issue) | 11:44 |
| cdent | I agree with sdague's concerns about it being pip installable, but I can't yet think of a good alternative | 11:44 |
| mordred | I also agree with those concerns, fwiw | 11:44 |
| cdent | yeah the "with luck" was to annotate that "this is separate" | 11:45 |
| mordred | ah - then yes, your description is perfect | 11:45 |
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| sdague | mordred: so, honestly, I'm kind of scared about doing that in keystoneauth | 11:45 |
| sdague | because so many folks will think the whole thing is solved | 11:45 |
| sdague | when the ruby / go / javascript ecosystems get more confusing | 11:46 |
| mordred | that's why I'm offering to go to ruby, go, javascript and everybody else and help implement the same thing there too | 11:46 |
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| mordred | libcloud, fog, jclouds and gophercloud all spring to mind immediately, but we can totally do more work to find who all the libs are | 11:47 |
| sdague | I don't really understand why you don't think a validation for service catalog correctness, which becomes a defcore test, doesn't evolve the problem on the provider side | 11:47 |
| cdent | sdague: that will take... years? | 11:48 |
| sdague | by correctness I mean "if you have volumev3, you also need to have block-storage" | 11:48 |
| sdague | cdent: so will this, people doing just randomly upgrade all their stuff over night | 11:48 |
| mordred | I think the defcore test is a great idea | 11:49 |
| mordred | and we should absolutely do it | 11:49 |
| cdent | is making a defcore more assertive (and hurrying) about the service catalog a real option, or just something we are hoping to make happen? | 11:49 |
| mordred | but what about new clouds who deploy just with block-storage | 11:49 |
| mordred | and the people who have volumev2 hard-coded into their apps right now? | 11:50 |
| mordred | I mostly share the same concern - that moving forward risks breaking humans | 11:50 |
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| mordred | cdent: I think we can make a strong case to defcore - it involves putting in a tempest test for it first | 11:51 |
| sdague | cdent: yeh, defcore is pretty easy | 11:52 |
| mordred | but then we can raise the issue and express it to the defcore folks | 11:52 |
| cdent | defcore is easy until someon complains and wants to be grandfathered, right? | 11:52 |
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| cdent | (just trying to remember my history) | 11:52 |
| sdague | the reason people want grandfathering is because stuff is hard to fix | 11:53 |
| sdague | this is litterally "you are missing these 3 things, run openstack endpoint .... " | 11:53 |
| * cdent nods | 11:53 | |
| sdague | I think because the fix is so simple there is no push back. Honestly, most operators are dying for tools that easily show them their env is or is not working as expected | 11:54 |
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| mordred | sdague: so - I'm pushing for ksa consumption for a couple of reasons: one is that the nova-consome-from-catalog right now is carrying its own hard-coded mapping. and if it doens't go into ksa, we'll need to also add the same mapping to shade, and I'm guessing dean would want one in python-openstackclient too | 11:55 |
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| mordred | but the second is that if this doesn't go into ksa, then it actually means people can't use a bunch of ksa because of where this fits in the stack | 11:56 |
| mordred | which means every ksa consumer re-implementing chunks of ksa locally | 11:56 |
| mordred | now - that may just be what we wind up doing | 11:57 |
| cdent | I think ksa provides (finally!) a good model for how we except client libraries to "think" so having it in there may make it different (for now) from ruby/go/etc but may provide a model | 11:57 |
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| sdague | cdent: maybe, I just get really concerned it's way ahead on the magic | 11:58 |
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| cdent | sdague: yeah, that's a very valid point, but we already predicate our entire api model on magic: endpoint discovery, followed by version discovery... | 11:58 |
| sdague | cdent: yes | 11:58 |
| sdague | non of which is done for other libs | 11:59 |
| cdent | ikr | 11:59 |
| sdague | mordred: ok, so, maybe I would object less if fog / jclouds / libcloud / gophercloud got the same keystone auth url workaround first | 11:59 |
| dtroyer | would it make sense to build another (ugh!) lib parallel to ksa that holds these sorts of things? I'm lumping in all of the version discovery stuff I'm prepping to propose to ksa in this too | 12:00 |
| mordred | sdague: ok. I can definitely work on those patches | 12:00 |
| sdague | because I think the order is what concerns me | 12:00 |
| sdague | "we'll do all this, and last we'll do other libs" | 12:00 |
| sdague | and we are optimizing the whole thing for python first | 12:00 |
| mordred | oh - I never intended other libs to be last | 12:00 |
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| mordred | I just wasn't about to go bother the other libs until we'd agreed we actually wanted to do this at all | 12:00 |
| mordred | dtroyer: I think ksa is the right place - it already does a decent amount of this work currently | 12:01 |
| sdague | so, I think we should also think about this as a data format that's published, not as a library | 12:01 |
| sdague | like tzdata | 12:02 |
| mordred | ++ | 12:02 |
| mordred | I just don't know how to consume that/manage it sanely | 12:02 |
| sdague | we have stable urls, we have versioning in the document | 12:03 |
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| sdague | anyway, it's still early, I need more coffee | 12:03 |
| mordred | god me too | 12:03 |
| mordred | dtroyer: speaking of version discovery ... have you had a chance to read the version discovery doc yet? | 12:03 |
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| mordred | dtroyer: you are amongst the very small set of humans who could actually review it for technical accuracy | 12:04 |
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| dtroyer | mordred: no, it's near the top of my list. I may finally be out of the func-testing hole that nova-net stuff put me in | 12:05 |
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| mordred | dtroyer: yay! | 12:05 |
| * mordred mails dtroyer a big fuzzy bear | 12:05 | |
| dtroyer | although I am going to corner someone next week to help me understand why turning on cells v1 (mitaka or netwon) breaks nova-net bits | 12:06 |
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| sdague | dtroyer: security groups? | 12:11 |
| dtroyer | those are ok, network (/os-networks and /os-tenant-networks) and the floating ip stuff | 12:11 |
| sdague | actually, I'm not sure floating ips are implemented in cells either | 12:11 |
| sdague | cells v1 just doesn't implement a ton of nova | 12:11 |
| dtroyer | its likely a config issue, jsut running the cellsv1+nova-net devstack config gets no networks created | 12:11 |
| dtroyer | nova-manage doesn't do anything | 12:12 |
| dtroyer | yeah, I figured as much, but with nova-net confined to cellsv1 thats the only testing config I have left | 12:12 |
| dtroyer | by "deosn't do anything" I mean nova-manage network list is empty immediately after stack.sh runs | 12:13 |
| dtroyer | and that's as far as I've chased it | 12:13 |
| mordred | dtroyer: hrm. my nova-net based devstack job seems to work fine? | 12:14 |
| dtroyer | it words without n-cell enabled (mitaka) | 12:14 |
| dtroyer | ocata+ requires that evidently though | 12:14 |
| dtroyer | so gate testing needs more thought | 12:14 |
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| mordred | oh. I only test nova-net on newton atm | 12:15 |
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| sdague | mordred: out of curiosity, which public clouds are still using nova-net? | 12:20 |
| mordred | sdague: auro is the only one I'm aware of- but I haven't checked it recently | 12:21 |
| sdague | cool | 12:21 |
| mordred | sdague: then rackspace is weird - because they have a neutron endpoint but they policy it so that none of the API calls work for users | 12:21 |
| sdague | right, they put a whole custom backend in for that | 12:21 |
| mordred | so I don't fully know how to categorize that from a "what do they present" pov - I think of it as nova-net since I can only get network information from the nova proxy apis | 12:22 |
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| mordred | (as a user, it doesn't matter that neutron exists- my interfaces are only nova) | 12:22 |
| sdague | right | 12:23 |
| mordred | whoops. my auro user id has lapsed. time to get update it | 12:24 |
| mordred | sdague: it appears from docs that auro still do not expose neutron or the ability for an end-user to create networks | 12:26 |
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| mordred | sdague, cdent: so - quick sanity check on where we're at in terms of agreed vs. need to discuss: | 12:35 |
| mordred | we agree on collecting and publishing the correct names and their historical aliases | 12:35 |
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| mordred | we agree on a process consumers can use, armed with that data, to be able to consume service types from the catalog | 12:36 |
| sdague | yes | 12:37 |
| mordred | we still need to work out the mechanism of consuming the data in openstack | 12:37 |
| sdague | I disagree on the premature conversion to json for optimized consumption by keystoneauth because I don't think the consumption should be a pip install of this repository | 12:37 |
| mordred | we still need to tie off on exact plan/sequence for rolling things out | 12:38 |
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| sdague | I want to actually think through what our publish to the world of the changes here looks like under the assumption that this is going to have to be a versioned list of things for a very long time (like well known ports or tzdata) | 12:39 |
| mordred | sdague: totally. to be fair - I didn't do that originally for ksa - it just turns out when ksa didn't like the idea of data syncing it got tied in | 12:39 |
| sdague | right, and I disagree with that dislike by ksa | 12:39 |
| mordred | yah - but that's a topic we need to come to agreement on | 12:39 |
| sdague | because it really feels like "make things special for us" without thinking about the equiv solution for every other lang env | 12:40 |
| sdague | that's where I want to be really really careful | 12:40 |
| sdague | because our community bias leans so hard to 'just fix it in python code" | 12:40 |
| mordred | agree. I do not want this to be fixed in python and not elsewhere | 12:40 |
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| sdague | if we are really going to build bridges with adjecent communities and language envs, we need to stop optimizing early for python :) | 12:41 |
| sdague | mordred: so if you take https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461209 - remove the json conversion, and just start with the publish code (which you'll need to pass CI anyway) I'd be +2 on that | 12:42 |
| mordred | sdague: yah - my next step is to shift that to be the first patch | 12:43 |
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| sdague | yep | 12:44 |
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| cdent | mordred, sdague: sorry was taking a brief moment to soak up some sun. The stated plans sound right | 12:55 |
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| mordred | cdent, sdague: ok - first 4 patches in the stack re-pushed | 13:08 |
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| mordred | cdent: I'm also going to swap the order of the service type document for api-wg and the version discovery document so that we can land the service type document | 13:13 |
| cdent | as you wsih | 13:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Add kuryr pike goals information https://review.openstack.org/456586 | 13:46 |
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| dims | hey feisky : welcome! | 14:41 |
| feisky | dims Thanks | 14:41 |
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| dims | feisky : ttx and i were chatting and you may have seen some feedback on the 2 reviews. we would love to have you all collaborate here! | 14:43 |
| dims | feisky: https://ttx.re/create-official-openstack-project.html and https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/new-projects-requirements.html are the starting points | 14:43 |
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| dims | feisky : it may be good to get some technical details on what you will be working on here as well which is missing in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462453/ | 14:44 |
| feisky | Yes, I'm starting with that guide | 14:45 |
| feisky | Sure. This is a project built on Kubernetes and supporting multiple container runtimes (that's why we renamed hypernetes to kubestack). It will focus on providing multi-tenancy via various openstack components. | 14:46 |
| dims | feisky : you can get started with just this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462453/ which will create the repo etc. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462460/ can come later. you can practically do everything you want in the CI system etc without needing to be in governance | 14:46 |
| feisky | Cool. Thanks | 14:46 |
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| dims | feisky : there are lot of people working in between k8s and openstack, so just ask if you need a pointer or introduction. i left some notes on the project-config review to make it pass the CI checks as well | 14:49 |
| feisky | dims Just made an update. Could you help to check again? | 14:49 |
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| dims | feisky : looks good, let's wait for the CI to report back | 14:52 |
| feisky | 😊 | 14:52 |
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| dims | feisky : you can drop the dependency between the 2 reviews | 14:52 |
| feisky | ok | 14:52 |
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| dims | feisky : it's green! so please add more technical details to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462453/ and wait for the the cores to review/approve | 15:04 |
| feisky | ok. I'm adding | 15:04 |
| feisky | Thanks for the help | 15:04 |
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| dims | feisky : just curious, is hyper following rkt/containerd etc into CNCF along with this? | 15:06 |
| feisky | yep, we presented hyper/runv yestoday | 15:07 |
| dims | feisky : any public documents? | 15:07 |
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| dims | feisky : just found this https://github.com/cncf/toc/commit/72b206bfb596543f1b096d76e0cf30044b8265ff | 15:10 |
| feisky | yep, that's it | 15:11 |
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| dims | feisky cool. looking forward to technical details feisky, (more details on what you want to do here in our repository) talk to you later | 15:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pengfei Ni proposed openstack/governance master: Add openstack/kubestack project. https://review.openstack.org/462460 | 15:18 |
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| feisky | dims Made an update with more details. | 15:28 |
| dims | feisky : thanks | 15:29 |
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| sdague | cdent: if you want to look at the publishing patch again - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461209 | 15:32 |
| * cdent looks | 15:32 | |
| sdague | that would get some of the basic stuff merged there | 15:32 |
| cdent | sdague: i've fixed the tab and merged | 15:37 |
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| sdague | cdent: ++ | 15:39 |
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| mordred | sdague: since chatting this morning (and then walking across town from hotel to conference center) I believe I have a concrete suggestion on how to consume the service type data that should be applicable to everyone (and be in keeping with the tzdata model) | 17:36 |
| sdague | mordred: cool | 17:36 |
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| fkautz | Is there a way to control which user systemd uses in devstack's enable_Service? | 18:33 |
| clarkb | fkautz: yes and group too, they are args to run_process iirc | 18:33 |
| fkautz | i see, so in run_process in the plugins.sh i can modify the behavior? | 18:34 |
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| fkautz | what i'm specifically trying to do is get docker to run as root rather than the current user in kuryr-kubernetes :) | 18:34 |
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| clarkb | yes you'll have to lookup what args it is though I dont know | 18:37 |
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| clarkb | also why not just use normal.system service for it like we do for mysql and rabbit and so on? | 18:37 |
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| fkautz | unfortunately docker needs root access to work | 18:38 |
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| clarkb | yes I know | 18:38 |
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| clarkb | but nirmally you install docker and that includes all the appropriate bits to run it as a service on its own | 18:38 |
| clarkb | I dont understand why we need to bootstrap all of that for docker | 18:39 |
| fkautz | yea, i'm not sure what the motivation was for this infra to be spun up | 18:39 |
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| fkautz | they do run the "https://get.docker.com | sh" script | 18:39 |
| fkautz | then they just try to run docker daemon directly | 18:40 |
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| clarkb | https://store.docker.com/editions/community/docker-ce-server-debian?tab=description seems more appropriate? | 18:42 |
| clarkb | basically install from their packaging start service that it installs, done? | 18:42 |
| clarkb | or https://docs.docker.com/engine/installation/linux/ubuntu/#install-using-the-repository | 18:44 |
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| fkautz | not sure if it installs the service, i've seen it in the past not start the service | 18:50 |
| fkautz | anyways, thanks for the help, this should unblock me | 18:51 |
| clarkb | it doesnt start it but it installs it | 18:51 |
| clarkb | you just have to start it | 18:51 |
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| sdague | fkautz: did you read the mailing list on common pitfalls - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-May/116249.html ? | 19:01 |
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| fkautz | i had not seen that, thanks for the link. also saw there are two patches open to fix the problem but both depend on each other so not sure if they'll merge since the failures are on gated suites | 19:02 |
| fkautz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462578/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462672 | 19:03 |
| fkautz | anyways, i'll follow up with the kuryr team to help get these merged in :) | 19:05 |
| sdague | fkautz: the first patch is failing because https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462578/1/devstack/plugin.sh@24 | 19:07 |
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| fkautz | yea, they both depend on each other to work, that should of been one patch | 19:07 |
| sdague | http://logs.openstack.org/78/462578/1/check/gate-install-dsvm-default-kuryr-kubernetes/cee6afd/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2017-05-04_16_20_07_697 | 19:08 |
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| fkautz | one fixes docker getting rid of "docker daemon" in favor of "dockerd" and the other is the user needs to be root | 19:08 |
| sdague | fkautz: but they both still leave a run_process call that isn't going to work | 19:08 |
| sdague | if you look at the logs on the first patch, you can see that | 19:09 |
| fkautz | oh, interesting, good catch | 19:09 |
| fkautz | they're starting etcd with sudo as well | 19:09 |
| fkautz | and the kubelet | 19:10 |
| sdague | fkautz: that's not the failure | 19:12 |
| sdague | the failure is using run_process to build a tail -f for logs | 19:13 |
| sdague | they are launching etcd fine | 19:13 |
| sdague | but "docker logs -f $name"... not an absolute path | 19:13 |
| fkautz | yea, i see that in run_container | 19:14 |
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| sdague | *Except* that only works if the command is specified by an *absolute | 19:16 |
| sdague | path*. | 19:16 |
| sdague | So things like this in kuryr-libnetwork become an issue | 19:16 |
| sdague | https://github.com/openstack/kuryr-libnetwork/blob/3e2891d6fc5d55b3712258c932a5a8b9b323f6c2/devstack/plugin.sh#L148 | 19:16 |
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| fkautz | yea, that makes sense | 19:18 |
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| mriedem | dhellmann: can we get an ocata and newton series for https://launchpad.net/oslo.log so we can target bugs against them? | 21:03 |
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| dhellmann | mriedem : I think I still have permissions to do that, let me see | 21:04 |
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| dhellmann | mriedem : there you go | 21:05 |
| mriedem | thanks | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | dhellmann: seeing something weird, maybe a known issue, but this release note which was merged in pike isn't showing up in the current unreleased notes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/435010/13/releasenotes/notes/project_id_validation-568d31c13c3ef735.yaml | 21:46 |
| mriedem | https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/nova/unreleased.html#bug-fixes | 21:46 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : I've discovered that some folks are reusing the unique part of the filename in some other projects. that wouldn't happen to be true here, too? | 21:46 |
| mriedem | maybe that's b/c it was released? | 21:46 |
| mriedem | don't think so, i can check | 21:47 |
| mriedem | user@ubuntu:~/git/nova$ ls -l releasenotes/notes/ | grep 568d31c13c3ef735 | 21:47 |
| mriedem | -rw-rw-r-- 1 user user 450 May 1 09:55 project_id_validation-568d31c13c3ef735.yaml | 21:47 |
| mriedem | that is in 16.0.0.0b1 so maybe it's not considered 'unreleased'? | 21:48 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : I'll take a closer look. I'm in a meeting right now, so it may be tomorrow morning. | 21:50 |
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| mriedem | sure, np | 21:51 |
| mriedem | thanks | 21:51 |
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| dhellmann | mriedem : yes, it's because that commit is included in the 16.0.0.0b1 tag and reno is stopping at the most recent tag on the branch | 22:01 |
| mriedem | ok because i see it in the log locally | 22:02 |
| mriedem | [reno.scanner] 568d31c13c3ef735: adding releasenotes/notes/project_id_validation-568d31c13c3ef735.yaml from 16.0.0.0b1 | 22:02 |
| mriedem | [reno.scanner] 568d31c13c3ef735: new releasenotes/notes/project_id_validation-568d31c13c3ef735.yaml in commit f6fbfc7ff07b790ef052a759552c69429b3d79c7 | 22:02 |
| dhellmann | that's not ideal for pre-version projects. I did make some changes related to that for projects that don't use betas. I'll see if this is caused by a bug | 22:02 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it finds it and includes it in 16.0.0.0b1 and then does not include that version in the output | 22:02 |
| dhellmann | it includes the 16.0.0.0b1-133 or whatever, which is the version of HEAD | 22:02 |
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| dhellmann | the scanner goes 1 release farther than it needs to, and then trims off the older stuff | 22:03 |
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| dhellmann | the key line is up at the top where it says "earliest version to include is..." | 22:04 |
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