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| SpamapS | def get_xml_string_with_self_contained_assertion_within_advice_encrypted_assertion ... oh pysaml2... | 00:34 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: openstack assumes mesh connectivity for live migration amongst computes already | 00:43 |
| lifeless | SpamapS: FWIW | 00:43 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: also yay, we agree | 00:44 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: yes we do very much agree. I'm mostly wanting to unwind the assumptions around brokers being necessary by calling them out. :) | 00:46 |
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| flaper87 | mordred: you name the City, I'll make it happen | 06:11 |
| flaper87 | SpamapS: I wouldn't discard amqp 1.0 entirely in the context of Zaqar. I do agree AMQP < 1.0 is out of discussion, though. | 06:12 |
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| flaper87 | One of the things I appreciate about Azure's Queue service is the support for AMQP 1.0 | 06:12 |
| flaper87 | It makes it easier to integrate with it, from a protocol perspective, using existing amqp 1.0 libraries | 06:13 |
| flaper87 | AMQP 1.0 being based on p2p and message sending would make an hypotetical implementation easier | 06:14 |
| flaper87 | That said, it's out of discussion for now! | 06:14 |
| flaper87 | or ever :P | 06:14 |
| flaper87 | That said, it's morning for me, night for you so consider this my revenge :P | 06:14 |
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| lifeless | I really need to bone up on amqp 1.0's details | 06:21 |
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| flaper87 | lifeless: happy to help if you have questions | 06:29 |
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| Venkatesh | Hi, what are prerequisite packages to start development on any openstack component? | 13:18 |
| Venkatesh | can any one tell me? | 13:18 |
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| rlrevell | Venkatesh: i believe if you install devstack and run ./stack.sh it pulls them all in for you | 13:22 |
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| Venkatesh | sorry I asked in the wrong way | 13:22 |
| Venkatesh | what are prerequisite packages to learn to start development on any openstack component? | 13:22 |
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| Venkatesh | understanding become simpler | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | Venkatesh, maybe start by reviews, :) | 13:26 |
| Venkatesh | Qiming : Thanks, Can we give review comments? | 13:27 |
| Qiming | Venkatesh, sure, anyone can do reviews | 13:27 |
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| Venkatesh | Qiming: Ok, Thanks, if you know, can you give the URL for reviews? | 13:28 |
| Venkatesh | any component is fine | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | Venkatesh, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/How_To_Contribute | 13:48 |
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| Venkatesh | Qiming: Ok, Thanks | 13:50 |
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| jkugel1 | Venkatesh, the process for getting approval to contribute is here, as an IBMer it is a bit more involved than if you were just applying to contribute as individual: | 14:48 |
| jkugel1 | https://w3-connections.ibm.com/wikis/home?lang=en-us#!/wiki/W6756ebb33c0c_43ca_9ae8_3cd8b377a1be/page/Approved%20IBM%20Contributors | 14:48 |
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| jkugel1 | embarrassing, thought this was the internal ibm chat room, ignore last post | 14:49 |
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| devananda | ttx: hi! just taking a peek at next week's TC agenda and I don't see the ironic-discoverd rename on it - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185442 | 15:21 |
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| devananda | ttx: I think that falls under housekeeping, but want to be sure, in case you want any folks there to represent it | 15:22 |
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| ttx | devananda: yeah, I mentally filed it in the housekeeping bucket, let me check | 15:25 |
| devananda | ttx: cool | 15:25 |
| ttx | devananda: if "adding" falls in the housekeeping bucket, I guess renmaing also does | 15:25 |
| devananda | right :) | 15:26 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, one more ques: as I anyway break everyone :) I'd like to use this change to split away the client lib into ironic_inspector_client. should I do it with this change or wait a bit and do it separately? | 15:29 |
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| devananda | dtantsur: creating a new project for that should be fairly simple, and also housekeeping | 15:39 |
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| dtantsur | devananda, ttx, the question is: is it ok to do now in the same patch or I better split? | 15:40 |
| devananda | same patch seems reasonable to me | 15:40 |
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| SpamapS | flaper87: oh thats interesting. Had you thought about implementing amqp 1.0 backed by Zaqar? That's a very interesting idea. | 15:53 |
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| flaper87 | SpamapS: yup, we've done some research on the area and using qpid-proton (amqp 1.0 python library) would be feasible. Just haven't found the time to do so | 15:55 |
| flaper87 | Making queues lazy by default was one step we took towards simplifying the API and getting closer to that model | 15:55 |
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| SpamapS | flaper87: seems like a kick ass websockets implementation would get you most of the way to efficient consumption. But I haven't thought very hard about the drawbacks with it. | 15:57 |
| dtantsur | devananda, ttx, I've updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185442/ with a new repo to split away client from ironic-inspector | 15:57 |
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| lifeless | flaper87: a pointer to a good high-density low-noise summary would be good | 16:48 |
| lifeless | flaper87: I am sadly deeply familiar with 0.8, so a delta vs that would work too. | 16:48 |
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| boris-42 | SpamapS: ping | 16:59 |
| SpamapS | boris-42: hi! | 16:59 |
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| boris-42 | SpamapS: one simple question | 16:59 |
| SpamapS | boris-42: yes sir? | 17:00 |
| boris-42 | SpamapS: is it enough for you to have JUnit output | 17:00 |
| boris-42 | SpamapS: from Rally | 17:00 |
| boris-42 | SpamapS: or you need subunit stream? | 17:00 |
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| SpamapS | boris-42: I don't have an answer for that. | 17:06 |
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| boris-42 | SpamapS: ok I will delay a bit implementation of it, if it start blocking you at some point please ping me | 17:07 |
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| SpamapS | boris-42: It's really not my thing, I suggest asking in -infra | 17:08 |
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| boris-42 | SpamapS: hm I thought you are going to implement performance tracking of infra cloud =) | 17:08 |
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| SpamapS | boris-42: I am, in general, but I will be leaning on the subunit2sql folks in infra heavily. :) | 17:14 |
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| boris-42 | SpamapS: ok=) so if you have issues with rally don't hesitate to ping me=) | 17:31 |
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| SpamapS | boris-42: I will definitely. :) | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: if you get a sec could you take a look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186506/ | 18:39 |
| mtreinish | I was playing around with stevedore and wanted to see if that made any sense | 18:39 |
| mriedem | doug-fish: why didn't you just cherry pick https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179268/ from the stable/juno cherry pick https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179266/ ? | 18:43 |
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| doug-fish | mriedem: there is no excuse for my behavior. | 18:44 |
| doug-fish | yeah, that's what should have happened | 18:44 |
| mriedem | whatevs | 18:44 |
| doug-fish | should be the same result at this point though, right? are you seeing an issue? | 18:44 |
| mriedem | i'm just surprised icehouse->master isn't worse | 18:44 |
| mriedem | i guess that code doesn't change | 18:45 |
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| doug-fish | right - I'd like to think that if I started seeing different merge conflicts I'd have picked it the right way | 18:45 |
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| stevemar | spzala, around? | 19:03 |
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| stevemar | or any other heat folks :) | 19:04 |
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| spzala | stevemar: back now :) | 19:17 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish: I'll put it on my review list | 19:19 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: thanks | 19:23 |
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| jogo | devananda: ping re feature branches | 20:00 |
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| devananda | jogo: pong | 20:07 |
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| jogo | devananda: just read your email about changing the ironic release cycle and it looks awesome | 20:14 |
| devananda | :) | 20:14 |
| jogo | devananda: one thing to ponder w.r.t. feature branches is would they have the same core team? | 20:14 |
| devananda | good question. I would think so, yes | 20:14 |
| jogo | One idea I have been toying with is potentially tweaking core team rules on feature branches | 20:14 |
| devananda | but yea ... that's fascinating | 20:14 |
| jogo | not sure if it would be a good fit for ironic though | 20:15 |
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| devananda | I could see a use for it | 20:15 |
| devananda | eg, if we were to build a new API, it might be reasonable to give +2 rights on that to someone who doesn't have that deep knowledge on other parts of the code | 20:15 |
| jogo | Bingo | 20:15 |
| devananda | that said, we don't plan on doing that, and I'd probably just give said person trust on the whole project and, well, trust them .... | 20:16 |
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| devananda | but it is conceivable :) | 20:16 |
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| jogo | I think it has more applications to projects with larger development teams and fewer separate repos | 20:16 |
| devananda | oh - also, counter point, if we were to have separate core team on a branch, then as soon as that branch merges into trunk, I would wnt to merge the core teams too | 20:16 |
| devananda | so it's only a temporary measure | 20:17 |
| devananda | and I'd rather build the trust socially, rather than using gerit to enforce it | 20:17 |
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| jogo | so the flow I was thinking of is: core X wants to work on some feature and he knows several people who are experts on that, but aren't core (because say they don't have the bandwidth or really want to). core X makes a feature branch and adds people as cores to that branch | 20:18 |
| jogo | anyway just some food for thought | 20:19 |
| devananda | jogo: indeed. I can see that working in some cases | 20:19 |
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| jgriffith | mtreinish: is there a way to set max concurrency in tox? Or is it either all or nothing? | 21:52 |
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| jgriffith | mtreinish: I just realized cinder is still using "--no-parallel" in pretty_tox.sh | 21:53 |
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| mtreinish | tox in general no, you have to pass the option in to testr | 21:53 |
| mtreinish | take a look at what devstack-gate is doing when it calls tox on tempest for an example | 21:53 |
| mtreinish | it passes --concurrency=4 into tox using posargs which tempest's pretty_tox uses on testr correctly | 21:54 |
| mtreinish | I think (it's been a little while since I looked at that) | 21:54 |
| jgriffith | Ohhh... derrrr | 21:54 |
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| mtreinish | jgriffith: you could use this as an opportunity to deprecate pretty_tox on cinder and switch to using ostestr if you wanted | 21:55 |
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| jgriffith | mtreinish: I might | 21:55 |
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| mtreinish | just don't look at the code in the script it's kinda ugly :) | 21:56 |
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| earlephilhower | Is it OK to link commits in >1 project to the same blueprint? I've got a Cinder driver which also needs additions to os-brick and nova for the new type, and am not sure after reading the wiki if I should open a bug in those projects or commit with a reference to the same bp... | 22:24 |
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| greghaynes | lifeless: SpamapS jroll ohai | 22:36 |
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| jroll | greghaynes: omy, what did I get myself pulled into :P | 22:36 |
| greghaynes | lifeless: FE? | 22:36 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: ohai. So, I have to take C to a doctors appt; happy to pick up later. | 22:36 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: front end | 22:36 |
| greghaynes | lifeless: ah, ok | 22:37 |
| lifeless | internet endpoint | 22:37 |
| greghaynes | just ping, im around :) | 22:37 |
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| SpamapS | greghaynes: It's common to have a low cost layer3 LB for SSL termination btw. | 22:45 |
| greghaynes | yea | 22:45 |
| SpamapS | so it's not that big of a concern that it's 1:1 on connections for LB/app | 22:46 |
| greghaynes | my concern is that $provider wont want to just use their standard LB so they can tune down tcp buffers and such in a way they wouldnt want to do for the normal rest api calls | 22:46 |
| greghaynes | and not to mention if they are paying by number of active connections or somesuch | 22:46 |
| SpamapS | but I could see the longpoll thing just going into the LB directly, and using messaging patterns to know when to respond to the longpoll. | 22:46 |
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| greghaynes | but, im also starting to think that clouds might have a different demand profile | 22:47 |
| greghaynes | (than websites) | 22:47 |
| greghaynes | and maybe it just wont bee that many connections | 22:47 |
| SpamapS | then i start to wonder if you don't just want to have https://www.chromium.org/quic doing your longpoll. :) | 22:47 |
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| greghaynes | heh, yea, that could be awesome | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | but | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | part of the reason for longpoll-over-http is to keep the _outgoing_ firewall happy. | 22:49 |
| greghaynes | what happened at last jerb is any derp who left their web browser open meant a websocket hanging out - so if you had a milion uniques a day you would hold open about that many sockets | 22:49 |
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| SpamapS | and something tells me they're not going to be as friendly to random UDP packets out of nowhere. | 22:49 |
| greghaynes | heh | 22:49 |
| greghaynes | and if they are they are probably going to try and establish state for them | 22:49 |
| SpamapS | so it's going to be less "longpoll" and more "heartbeat-to-keep-angry-firewall-happy-over-quic" | 22:49 |
| greghaynes | which will not go well at a certain point | 22:49 |
| greghaynes | yea | 22:50 |
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| SpamapS | but a QUIC aware loadbalancer would have a really nice persistence key to work with | 22:50 |
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| SpamapS | I really like the idea of something like gearman where you don't actually have to keep the whole connection active | 22:52 |
| SpamapS | just keep track of recently seen QUIC connection ids. | 22:52 |
| jgriffith | mtreinish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1459862 | 22:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1459862 in Cinder "should migrate away from pretty_tox and use os-testr" [Wishlist,New] | 22:52 |
| jgriffith | mtreinish: I'll start looking when I have time to do *anything* | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | jgriffith: cool | 22:53 |
| clarkb | greghaynes: thats potentially an issue for clouds if horizon makes a purely browser client | 22:53 |
| jgriffith | mtreinish: BTW, turns out cinder's pretty_tox has --no-parallel set :( | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | jgriffith: it should be pretty simple: https://review.openstack.org/170272 and https://review.openstack.org/170270 | 22:53 |
| jgriffith | mtreinish: oh! Well, alrighty then | 22:54 |
| jgriffith | :) | 22:54 |
| jgriffith | ummm... your test results don't look so good :) | 22:54 |
| mtreinish | heh, yeah the tempest one needs a little work :) | 22:54 |
| jgriffith | mtreinish: :) | 22:55 |
| jgriffith | ok, I can probably get to that sooner than I was thinking then | 22:55 |
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| mtreinish | jgriffith: fyi, the ui pieces on ostestr are still incomplete so if there's something missing just let me know and it'll be pretty quick to push a new release to add it | 22:57 |
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| jgriffith | :) | 22:57 |
| jgriffith | mtreinish: alrighty | 22:57 |
| jgriffith | well I'm gone for a bit | 22:57 |
| jgriffith | mtreinish: have a good night | 22:57 |
| mtreinish | jgriffith: cya | 22:58 |
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| ianw | SpamapS: hi, just on the f22 d-i-b stuff. i'm not quite following what you mean; at some point yum will not exist and we will move everything to dnf. so it's not really a work-around in that we expect it to be removed | 23:27 |
| greghaynes | ianw: got a patch? | 23:27 |
| ianw | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185842/1 | 23:27 |
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| ianw | greghaynes: ^ | 23:28 |
| SpamapS | ianw: CORRECT, but while they both exist (years!) we will want to know _why_ we're working around things in the way we do. And then when the time comes to remove yum, it will be good to know, with authority, which of those workarounds needs to stya. | 23:28 |
| SpamapS | stay | 23:28 |
| SpamapS | That just says "oh make dnf work" and gives no basis for why these things may or may not work today. | 23:28 |
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| ianw | SpamapS; these are things like updating yum.conf files that don't exist, because it's called dnf.conf | 23:29 |
| ianw | SpamapS: if you want, i can further split that patch out, i'm not sure it helps that much though. i did try to split the whole f22 support into some logical chunks | 23:30 |
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| ianw | i did also consider going down the path of creating a new "dnf" element, to replace yum. but I think that's unnecessary at this point. if things become more complicated, it may be justified | 23:32 |
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| ianw | also we have a generic "fedora" element that builds differently based on DIB_RELEASE, so we'd need some logic that says "use yum element if DIB_RELEASE < f22 else use dnf", which we don't have | 23:32 |
| ianw | greghaynes mentioned that a priori he didn't like the sound of that | 23:33 |
| greghaynes | yea, I generally am afraid of making our dependency logic at all complicated | 23:34 |
| SpamapS | ianw: the obvious ones are fine, but there were some random paths that didn't make sense. Let me re-check, I may have just been reading too fast. | 23:34 |
| greghaynes | ianw: I would think the way to go is make the yum element DTRT with dnf, and maybe make the dnf element a stub that depends on yum? | 23:34 |
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| greghaynes | ianw: or something along those lines, so you dont have anything wierd for dependencies | 23:34 |
| SpamapS | ianw: like the grub case, I have no idea why that is done so differently with dnf, or if that will always be the case, or what. Very confusing without any supporting documentation. | 23:35 |
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| SpamapS | ianw: ok actually thats really the only thing. ;) | 23:35 |
| ianw | SpamapS: honestly, i'm not totally sure how the grub thing works and why it is done like that with the package download and install later. that comes down do a difference in the way dnf downloads packages. let me add some comments in there | 23:36 |
| greghaynes | oh that, that is one of the most annoying hacks | 23:37 |
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| greghaynes | ianw: why not make the install-packages -d DTRT? | 23:38 |
| greghaynes | ianw: its downloading grub below that with install-packages -d | 23:38 |
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| SpamapS | ianw: Yeah it would be good to cite where that came from is all. | 23:39 |
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| ianw | greghaynes: yeah, but "install-packages -d" is a bit of an abstraction failure, because you're left to assume that it's downloaded the package into the yum cache "/var/cache/yum" | 23:40 |
| greghaynes | ianw: hah | 23:40 |
| greghaynes | ianw: maybe we should fix that | 23:40 |
| ianw | "dnf download ..." just grabs the package and puts it in the current directory | 23:40 |
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| greghaynes | ianw: yea, so maybe we should add another arg to install-packages that sets a destination and then itll work for both | 23:41 |
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| ianw | greghaynes: so it seems 15-remove-grub is the *only* user of "install-packages -d" ... does that match with what you think? | 23:42 |
| greghaynes | ianw: yes | 23:42 |
| greghaynes | it was a hack for exactly that thing. Its still nice so we can have the tool detection logic in one place though | 23:43 |
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| ianw | so the rest of that crap, the removing it because yum doesn't seem to download it if an old version in in the cache is still required i guess | 23:44 |
| ianw | unless the yum case is switched to yumdownloader ... | 23:44 |
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