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| lifeless | greghaynes: ok so there's a key thing | 00:59 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: you can kill websockets and stale LP sockets anytime you want | 00:59 |
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| greghaynes | ya, keep their lifetime low | 01:00 |
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| lifeless | greghaynes: a key operational thing is having that wired up | 01:00 |
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| lifeless | greghaynes: e.g. in the browser, if the user hasn't had their mouse over the tab, kill your web worker at your end | 01:00 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: and on the server end, after 5m (or 10, or 20) kill that end | 01:00 |
| lifeless | you pay a poll whenthat happens if the user is genuinely active, OMG | 01:00 |
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| lifeless | but you kill off the stupid long tail | 01:01 |
| greghaynes | yep, maybe it wont be an issue for us - but last I tried to implement one of these systems the operational folks gave a lot of push back on not wanting to hit any of the existing infrastructure so they could do things like keep tcp buffers small and also prevent foot gunning if we accidentally caused herding | 01:01 |
| greghaynes | and I worry that public clouds would want to do the same | 01:02 |
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| greghaynes | but I think youre right about the scaling requirements here being very different | 01:03 |
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| lifeless | greghaynes: so, I don't know if its different, but the thing that is different is the value per user | 01:04 |
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| lifeless | if you have 1M unique authenticating users in a cloud | 01:04 |
| lifeless | you have at least 1M VMs-or-things-like-that | 01:04 |
| ianw | greghaynes / SpamapS : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186620/ <- cleans up the downloading bit | 01:04 |
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| lifeless | if you have (say) 10K physical machines, running 10-20 LB's for LP/websockets becomes less of a Big Deal | 01:05 |
| lifeless | (and thats if /all/ your users are logged in simultaneously) | 01:05 |
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| lifeless | greghaynes: I think a good way of modelling the basic thing is to look at the costs: 256K + a trickle of CPU per active API user that wants events | 01:06 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: then the question is, is that too high, or too low? | 01:06 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: see also https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TechnologyChoices | 01:07 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: which gets into some of the things ops folk are actually worried about | 01:07 |
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| greghaynes | yea, if someone does end up with 100k or so connections open I bet they will ask the "can we lower our tcp buffer sizes to increase how many LB's we need?" and then itll be a more complex deployment thing... but that can all happen naturally as people start using it I imagine | 01:09 |
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| greghaynes | er, to decrease how many we need | 01:10 |
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| lifeless | greghaynes: its one line in haproxy to do that | 01:12 |
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| lifeless | greghaynes: I kindof worry about what shite you were using at last derp :) | 01:12 |
| greghaynes | :p it was a lot of connections | 01:12 |
| lifeless | not that, just the complexity worry | 01:13 |
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| greghaynes | I dunno, our tooling was fine to scale out load balancers, but making a new set of them was not so great | 01:14 |
| greghaynes | also the not wanting to waste boxes was an issue | 01:14 |
| greghaynes | but I guess cloud so meh | 01:14 |
| greghaynes | And then the other complexity worry is the logic to prevent hurding on a failure and upgrade | 01:15 |
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| lifeless | greghaynes: so tl;dr - AIUI you experienced: vastly more idle websockets than concurrent requests-per-second | 01:16 |
| lifeless | greghaynes: 3 OOM? 4? more ? | 01:17 |
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| greghaynes | yes, I think 3 easy... having that not be the case wouldnt be far off from polling in terms of lifetime though | 01:18 |
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| lifeless | so, the latency/poll tradeoff is paid for well before 3 OOM. | 01:18 |
| lifeless | so there was something wrong in your js/connection management stuff IMO. | 01:18 |
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| lifeless | rather than this being the reality for websockets per se | 01:18 |
| lifeless | also note that nova already has a websockets component (spice proxy) | 01:19 |
| greghaynes | depends on how well you can handle requests - im not sure what that says for us given that were rate limited hilariously by our public clouds | 01:19 |
| lifeless | :) | 01:20 |
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| krotscheck | Where does the API working group usually do it's day-to-day banter? | 16:49 |
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| krotscheck | ryansb: Thanks! | 16:59 |
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| dstanek | the default gerrit dashboard shows me incoming reviews that i should probably respond to in bold - is there a way to search for those? | 17:29 |
| dstanek | i tried (-is:reviewed) and that didn't seem to work | 17:29 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec: where do you and the rest of the tripleo team hang out on irc? | 17:43 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: #tripleo | 17:44 |
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| anteaya | dhellmann: you make a terrible spy | 18:45 |
| dhellmann | anteaya: it's the heavy breathing, isn't it? | 18:47 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 18:47 |
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| flashgordon | dhellmann: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/ may be useful | 18:53 |
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| dhellmann | flashgordon: ah, yeah, thanks | 19:06 |
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| mriedem | dtroyer: stevemar: mtreinish: this is the start of what i had in mind https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186882/ | 19:23 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: cool | 19:26 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: although there's no way to pass a timeout into the wait function from the cli | 19:27 |
| mtreinish | so what's the point of the kwarg? | 19:27 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: it's a utility method | 19:27 |
| mriedem | so i guess if other resource types wanted a differeent timeout, idk | 19:27 |
| mriedem | could make --wait take a value | 19:27 |
| mriedem | default to 500 there | 19:28 |
| mriedem | *300 | 19:28 |
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| mriedem | mtreinish: you should add the nice testr run output to osc | 19:40 |
| mriedem | as an easy add | 19:40 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: I pushed that patch up already | 19:40 |
| mtreinish | (before you pushed yours up) | 19:40 |
| mriedem | is that the ostestr thingy? | 19:40 |
| * mtreinish wins | 19:40 | |
| mtreinish | mriedem: yeah | 19:40 |
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| mriedem | not if stevemar -2s it | 19:41 |
| mtreinish | ostestr is just a python replacement for all the pretty_tox.sh scripts | 19:41 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: heh, stevemar +2'd it already :) | 19:41 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/os-testr | 19:41 |
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| stevemar | mriedem, cmon man, i already +2'ed that | 19:43 |
| stevemar | goshh | 19:43 |
| mriedem | stevemar: didn't you know that mtreinish has a secret arms race with me? | 19:43 |
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| stevemar | mriedem, nope, whats the arms race in? | 19:43 |
| mriedem | stevemar: so now you're like reagan selling arms to the contras | 19:43 |
| mriedem | way2go | 19:43 |
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| stevemar | mriedem, i can be bribed | 19:44 |
| mriedem | i'll send some maple delicacies | 19:44 |
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| mtreinish | mriedem: shouldn't you bribe him with something from mn that he can't easily get? | 19:47 |
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| stevemar | mtreinish, there aint nothing from mn that i want | 19:49 |
| stevemar | mtreinish, actually i want my jacket back from bknudson who stole it | 19:50 |
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| bknudson | stevemar: I want my jacket from stevemar | 19:50 |
| bknudson | hot dish | 19:50 |
| bknudson | mosquitos? | 19:51 |
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| stevemar | we have plenty of mosquitos here | 19:52 |
| stevemar | i'll take mojitos | 19:52 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: osc is leading the pack. It's the first project to use os-testr | 19:58 |
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| mriedem | stevemar: we'll send your gd geese back | 19:58 |
| mriedem | how about that | 19:58 |
| mriedem | and 'iced hockey' | 19:59 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: that means you get to be the first to find all the bugs :) | 20:00 |
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| dtroyer | yay! | 20:02 |
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| anteaya | tatoos | 20:28 |
| anteaya | mn is great for tatoos | 20:28 |
| mriedem | anteaya: it is? | 20:28 |
| anteaya | that I saw | 20:28 |
| anteaya | didn't see one person in minniapolis without a tatoo | 20:29 |
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| anteaya | and that way is actually correct, I'm shocked | 20:33 |
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| mriedem | sigmavirus24_awa: fyi if you have any ideas https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1460206 | 20:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1460206 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "gate-nova-python34 fails to install rfc3986 due to UnicodeDecodeError" [Medium,Confirmed] | 20:52 |
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| mriedem | stevemar: very helpful error message: "ERROR: openstack dictionary update sequence element #0 has length 1; 2 is required" | 21:13 |
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| sigmavirus24 | mriedem: interesting | 21:16 |
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| sigmavirus24 | https://travis-ci.org/sigmavirus24/rfc3986 seems to indicate that it should install just fine on 3.4 | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | hmm, | 21:18 |
| mriedem | pip 7? | 21:18 |
| stevemar | mriedem, we're all about the UX | 21:18 |
| mriedem | stevemar: issue was i was passing --nic w/o net-id=uuid | 21:18 |
| mriedem | i was just passing --nic uuid | 21:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | oh it's in the readme | 21:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | mriedem: let's see | 21:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | mriedem: I'll hammer on it for a whiel | 21:19 |
| mriedem | sigmavirus24: thanks | 21:19 |
| mriedem | stevemar: i guess the help text output isn't very helpful: "[--nic <nic-config-string>]" | 21:19 |
| mriedem | i had to look at the code to see how that was parsed | 21:19 |
| mriedem | stevemar: i'll open a bug for unhelpful docs :) | 21:19 |
| mriedem | looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1444685 was the same issue, but not entirely addressed since the server.rst wasn't updated | 21:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1444685 in python-openstackclient "server create does not explain network values" [Low,Fix released] | 21:21 |
| mriedem | look who approved it.... | 21:21 |
| mriedem | sheesh | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | drats, i'm on 1.0.3 | 21:22 |
| mriedem | nvm | 21:22 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Oh I know why I probably can't repro this | 21:27 |
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| sigmavirus24 | So this is the fault of the unicode examples in the README, but it's a bit surprising it hasn't happened before since those were added long ago | 21:29 |
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| dstufft | that's not even using pip 7 | 21:33 |
| dstufft | it's using 6.1.1 | 21:33 |
| dimsum__ | sigmavirus24: ha! - just was looking at a nova py34 failure :) http://logs.openstack.org/13/186413/3/check/gate-nova-python34/a693181/console.html#_2015-05-29_19_44_27_957 | 21:34 |
| dstufft | sigmavirus24: guess: It's using tox 2.0 and the locale settings aren't passing through | 21:34 |
| * sigmavirus24 sighs | 21:34 | |
| dstufft | which is forcing Python 3.4 to ASCII | 21:34 |
| dstufft | because it defaults to C | 21:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | mriedem: ^ | 21:34 |
| dstufft | (because ASCII is a cool default) | 21:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | dstufft: ASCII is the one true universal default, didn't you know? | 21:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | everything is bytes after all | 21:35 |
| mriedem | i know that i hate unicode | 21:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | dimsum__: mriedem want me to send a patch for that or do you either of you have it? | 21:35 |
| sigmavirus24 | mriedem: don't hate unicode, hate the operating system ;) | 21:36 |
| mriedem | i'm out of here in about 5 minutes | 21:36 |
| mriedem | so it's all yours :) | 21:36 |
| sigmavirus24 | gee thanks ;) | 21:38 |
| mriedem | sigmavirus24: so this is a nova issue? | 21:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | mriedem: tox | 21:39 |
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| sigmavirus24 | tox.ini nova thing | 21:39 |
| mriedem | ok, i'm familiar with this https://github.com/openstack/nova/commit/3c65f3ae0e120f49e26bcdc402d048f5eede99bb | 21:40 |
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| sigmavirus24 | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186922/ should fix it /cc dimsum__ | 21:43 |
| mriedem | cool, thanks | 21:44 |
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| dimsum__ | thanks sigmavirus24 | 21:50 |
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| sigmavirus24 | you're welcome dimsum__ | 21:54 |
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| sigmavirus24 | well that was a lie dims_ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186922/ =/ | 22:09 |
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