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| openstackgerrit | Nikita Konovalov proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Introducing basic REST API https://review.openstack.org/63118 | 09:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikita Konovalov proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Introducing basic REST API https://review.openstack.org/63118 | 09:39 |
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| ttx | we'll have our meetings on #openstack-meeting, I grabbed our time slot | 09:59 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | ttx, cool | 10:02 |
| ruhe | ttx: the more eyes, the better | 10:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikita Konovalov proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Load projects from yaml file https://review.openstack.org/66280 | 11:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Ruslan Kamaldinov proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Get rid of Django https://review.openstack.org/66016 | 11:59 |
| openstackgerrit | Ruslan Kamaldinov proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: [WIP] Add tests for Alembic migrations https://review.openstack.org/66414 | 12:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Nikita Konovalov proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Load projects from yaml file https://review.openstack.org/66280 | 12:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ruslan Kamaldinov proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Add tests for Alembic migrations https://review.openstack.org/66414 | 13:41 |
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| krotscheck | Hey everyone! | 15:31 |
| krotscheck | So, given that I'm not a huge python expert, can someone give me a technical summary of the steps necessary to migrate from our current django app to a lighter-weight pecan/wsme app? | 15:33 |
| krotscheck | I've managed to get to a small hello world API using pecan/wsme, so that's good, however I haven't gotten to the point of going all the way from the database to a client yet. | 15:34 |
| krotscheck | (most of my work right now is on github/kroscheck/storyboard-api if you're curious) | 15:34 |
| NikitaKonovalov | hi | 15:34 |
| NikitaKonovalov | there is a patch on review right now with a pecan app | 15:35 |
| NikitaKonovalov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/63118/ | 15:35 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Oh, nice, | 15:35 |
| NikitaKonovalov | it depends no a database patch form mordred | 15:35 |
| mordred | morning all | 15:36 |
| ruhe | hi | 15:36 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Actually, that's perfect. | 15:36 |
| mordred | krotscheck: the steps in my head are these: | 15:36 |
| mordred | 1) add sqlalchemy backend (almost done) | 15:37 |
| krotscheck | kk | 15:37 |
| mordred | 2) migrate existing django view code to use sqlalchemy instead of django orm aps | 15:37 |
| mordred | 3) delete django orm code | 15:37 |
| mordred | 4) add pecan/wsme app to code base to run alongside django | 15:37 |
| mordred | 5) spin up the js frontend to talk to pecan/wsme app | 15:38 |
| krotscheck | Seems like 2 and 4 can happen simultaneously | 15:38 |
| mordred | 6) delete django html poo (patch already exists for this) | 15:38 |
| mordred | krotscheck: yes. you are right. 2 and 4 can happen in parallel | 15:38 |
| krotscheck | And with NikitaKonovalov's patch I can do 5. | 15:38 |
| mordred | yup | 15:38 |
| ruhe | looks like almost everything is already on review | 15:39 |
| ruhe | except #5 | 15:39 |
| krotscheck | Right, but 5 is dependent on actually getting the webclient in. | 15:39 |
| mordred | well, 2 isn't anywhere | 15:39 |
| krotscheck | Since infra doesn' tknow about it yet. | 15:39 |
| krotscheck | mordred: If 5 happens faster we can skip 2 | 15:39 |
| mordred | I keep harping on 2 because as soon as 2 is up, we can deploy the current code without screwing anything else | 15:40 |
| mordred | but krotscheck is right - we might just get 5 done before we actually get 2 done | 15:40 |
| krotscheck | ...mostly because 2 has to go through the full gerrit review process while I can monkeypatch 5 into my github before someone +2's the build change. | 15:40 |
| ruhe | and i wouldn't hurry with migration of view code since object model could be significantly changed after sprint in brussels | 15:41 |
| krotscheck | mordred, did you let everyone know about our like-to-have milestone this week? | 15:42 |
| krotscheck | (As a side note, I have two technical requests if someone else has time, the first is CORS support, the second is trying to figure out how to handle authentication) | 15:44 |
| krotscheck | (Mostly because once CORS hits, we can't rely on sessions anymore because of browser sandboxing) | 15:44 |
| NikitaKonovalov | krotscheck, I was trying to find a kind of an authentication framework for pecan | 15:45 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Any luck? | 15:46 |
| NikitaKonovalov | and it seem there is nothing ready-to-use right now | 15:46 |
| NikitaKonovalov | there are common advice, like "setup a session middleware and do what you want" but I havent tryed it yet | 15:46 |
| ruhe | dhellman might help with auth question | 15:47 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: If all else fails, we could use the OpenID server to act as an authorization endpoint to get a trust relationship, and then use Storyboard to issue an OAuth2 token. | 15:48 |
| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: It'd be sortof like RFC6749 section 4.3, except we use the OpenID response as the password. | 15:48 |
| ruhe | krotscheck: i'd say OpenID is the only option for us | 15:49 |
| ruhe | since everything in OS is based on OpenID | 15:49 |
| krotscheck | ruhe: How does OpenID work in the case where you don't have session control? (say, a CLI client) | 15:49 |
| ruhe | * in OS infrastructure (Jenkins, Gerrit, etc) | 15:49 |
| krotscheck | ruhe: (Just point me at a section in the spec, I'm having trouble finding it...) | 15:51 |
| ruhe | krotscheck: sorry, i don't have experience in this area. i'm googling it now :) | 15:52 |
| krotscheck | ruhe: Great, I don't feel like so much of an idiot now :D | 15:52 |
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| krotscheck | What I alluded to earlier was that jeblair's on vacation this week, and he'll be back monday. He's been... well, let's just say that he really hates launchpad and wants to have _something_ we can iterate on sooner rather than later. | 15:54 |
| krotscheck | So the question is, assuming we can have gothicmindfood sit on mordred's head to get our reviews through, do you guys think it's possible to get the pecan/wsme thing paired with the web client and onto a server by monday morning? | 15:55 |
| * krotscheck thinks it's very ambitious. | 15:55 | |
| * mordred thinks it's doable in theory | 15:56 | |
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| krotscheck | ...I hear silence. | 16:01 |
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| cody-somerville | krotscheck: re: OpenID for CLI Client, the way Launchpad does it is that the client launches browser to url to get OAuth token. If you're not already logged in, you then authenticate via OpenID in browser and are then delivered to page to authorize the token. | 16:23 |
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| ruhe | ttx: maybe we should change url in channel topic to canonical http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/storyboard/ ? | 17:06 |
| ruhe | and info about weekly meeting | 17:06 |
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| ttx | Let me see if I can | 17:07 |
| ttx | nope I can't | 17:08 |
| ttx | cody-somerville: you should be able to fix that ^ | 17:09 |
| ttx | Meeting is now 1600 UTC in #openstack-meeting | 17:09 |
| cody-somerville | hmm... I thought I had made it so you didn't need to be op to change topic | 17:09 |
| cody-somerville | one sec | 17:09 |
| ttx | you have KEEPTOPIC GUARD set | 17:09 |
| cody-somerville | neither should prohibit topic changes by non-ops. It's TOPICLOCK that does that. IIRC. | 17:11 |
| cody-somerville | hmm | 17:12 |
| ttx | cody-somerville: +t is set | 17:13 |
| cody-somerville | Yea, that'll do it. | 17:13 |
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| * ttx tries again | 17:14 | |
| *** ttx changes topic to "Storyboard | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/storyboard/ | Weekly Meeting: Thursdays at 16:00 UTC in #openstack-meeting" | 17:14 | |
| ttx | woohoo | 17:14 |
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| miqui | whats a decent+ OpenID server? | 17:50 |
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| cody-somerville | miqui: Most Open Stack web properties authenticate against the Launchpad OpenID server. | 18:08 |
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| ruhe | morded might correct me, but afaik there is a work to migrate from Launchpad OpenID to OpenStack OpenID service - https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/config/tree/modules/openstack_project/manifests/openid_dev.pp | 18:33 |
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| miqui | hi cody-summerwille... yeah i know about the launchpad id , but i was referring to storyboard and what is the strategy for it? | 18:37 |
| miqui | sorry...for typo...somerville... | 18:37 |
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| miqui | if launchpad id is to be avoided alltogether then what is going to be used to generate the OpenIDs ? | 18:38 |
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| ruhe | miqui: we're bound to Launchpad OpenID as long as other OpenStack projects (gerrit for instance) use it | 18:40 |
| miqui | ok thanks ruhe | 18:40 |
| ruhe | miqui: that's just my imho. cody-somerville might have a different point of view :) | 18:41 |
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| cody-somerville | Agreed. We're bound to continue to use Launchpad OpenID until we're able to migrate people to an OpenStack OpenID service. | 18:51 |
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| krotscheck | NikitaKonovalov: Just spun up your API layer, looking good so far. | 18:56 |
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| krotscheck | Which openID provider we use is relatively irrelevant - the thing cody-somerville pointed out is that once we've established a trust relationship (i.e. once OpenID has said: Yes, this is a person) we need to grant that user some method of authenticating against our API. Usually, when everything happens on one domain, you can do that via the browser session. In multi-domain situations though you have to work around the browser sandbox. | 18:58 |
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| krotscheck | Apparently, launchpad does this by issuing an OAuth token to that particular user. | 18:59 |
| krotscheck | The outstanding question is whether the OpenID spec allows for something similar, so we don't have to use two protocols. | 19:00 |
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| krotscheck | I'm currently reading the spec to figure that out. | 19:03 |
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| cody-somerville | OpenID has a pretty different use case. OAuth allows you to do things like only allow a subset of resources to be accessed with the token. | 19:05 |
| cody-somerville | http://softwareas.com/oauth-openid-youre-barking-up-the-wrong-tree-if-you-think-theyre-the-same-thing might be a good blog post describing the similarities and differences. | 19:08 |
| krotscheck | cody-somerville: Yeah, one's strictly identification, the other's more scope authorization. | 19:09 |
| krotscheck | Thankfully the oauth2 spec finalized last october. | 19:09 |
| krotscheck | And I _think_ one of those authorization patterns will work for us. Have you taken a look at the different approaches (Section 4) | 19:09 |
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| cody-somerville | krotscheck: Right. The OpenID service would be used to handle the authentication bit in all those scenarios. | 19:17 |
| krotscheck | cody-somerville: Alright, let me throw a flowchart together. Do we have any diagramming tools available? | 19:19 |
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| mordred | so - another thing to consider ... (or it might be what you're considering already) | 19:19 |
| cody-somerville | krotscheck: Google docs works for me. The text diagrams in the spec are also pretty good. | 19:20 |
| gothicmindfood_ | krotscheck: did someone say flowchart? ;-) | 19:20 |
| ruhe | krotscheck: most people i know doodling diagrams in google documents | 19:20 |
| mordred | if we make storyboard an oauth provider, that can be what you use to do api things - and you can get your oauth token by logging in via openid | 19:20 |
| mordred | however, we may also want non-human accounts | 19:21 |
| mordred | gerrit handles that by allowing the creation of a user by an admin outside of the openid flow | 19:21 |
| krotscheck | mordred: We absolutely want non-human accounts- gothicmindfood_ , do we have room in any of the upcoming sprints? | 19:22 |
| krotscheck | What flavor of OpenID do we currently use? There's a deprecated v1 and a v2 out there | 19:24 |
| gothicmindfood_ | krotscheck: room for sliding in OAuth/OpenID work? | 19:24 |
| cody-somerville | mordred: It also isn't difficult to create a role account on OpenID server for that purpose FWIW. | 19:24 |
| krotscheck | gothicmindfood_: We need to do the OAuth/OpenID work for this week, I'm more curious about figuring out how to handle non-human accounts. | 19:25 |
| mordred | cody-somerville: indeed - and we do that as well ... but the gerrit model of not needing to touch launchpad for a gerrit service accoutn is nice | 19:25 |
| mordred | however, I could go with either | 19:25 |
| cody-somerville | I'm sure it's not difficult to do either or. | 19:25 |
| * cody-somerville wonders why keystone doesn't do OpenID auth. | 19:26 | |
| krotscheck | mordred cody-somerville - Github and Bitbucket handle that by attaching an SSH pub key to an account. How that account is generated can be done via admin. | 19:26 |
| cody-somerville | krotscheck: Launchpad supports both OpenID 2.0 and 1.1. | 19:26 |
| gothicmindfood_ | cody-somerville: why does keystone do anything it does? (or doesn't do?) ;-) | 19:26 |
| krotscheck | cody-somerville: Thanks | 19:26 |
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| mordred | I think this auth question may be the last thing we don't understand | 19:33 |
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| krotscheck | mordred: Give me 15 minutes on that.... | 19:35 |
| mordred | krotscheck: NO! YOU KNOW NOW!!! | 19:36 |
| * mordred kids | 19:36 | |
| krotscheck | mordred: I do know now, I just have to write it down. | 19:36 |
| gothicmindfood_ | krotscheck is going to write the flowchart to end all OAuth/OpenID flowcharts | 19:37 |
| * mordred really wants direct brain merging | 19:37 | |
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| krotscheck | mordred, gothicmindfood_: First draft http://paste.openstack.org/show/61211/ | 19:40 |
| mordred | krotscheck: I'd like to both simplify and complicate, if I may | 19:44 |
| mordred | for OpenStack, I believe we can assume that there will always be one and only one valid openid provider | 19:44 |
| mordred | for not-OpenStack - we should also talk about how to deploy a storyboard that auths against something like, say, ldap | 19:45 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mordred, it's a good idea | 19:45 |
| gothicmindfood_ | mordred: is that what optional #6 comes in? | 19:45 |
| gothicmindfood_ | on krotscheck's list | 19:46 |
| gothicmindfood_ | ? | 19:46 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mordred, so, we'll need some glue and auth framework | 19:46 |
| gothicmindfood_ | mordred: sorry, optional #4 | 19:46 |
| gothicmindfood_ | not 6 | 19:46 |
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| mordred | gothicmindfood_: yes. I was mainly just saying we might not need to implement optional #4 | 19:46 |
| mordred | SergeyLukjanov: yay! pluggable auth frameworks! | 19:47 |
| SergeyLukjanov | mordred, the ony one that I know and that really works is a spring security (java) | 19:47 |
| gothicmindfood_ | mordred: Ok. Just making sure I'm following correctly. ;-) | 19:47 |
| mordred | repoze seems to have some pluggable wsgi middleware | 19:48 |
| mordred | but I don't know if that's a thing we want to get in to | 19:49 |
| mordred | there's another option - which is that we could punt in storyboard and expect the containing apache to handle it | 19:51 |
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| mordred | or... | 19:52 |
| mordred | even better | 19:52 |
| mordred | I could stop giving options and feedback | 19:52 |
| * gothicmindfood_ thinks no more mordred feedback = no fun | 19:52 | |
| gothicmindfood_ | krotscheck: I started a reply to the paste but stopped because I thought you might be updating simultaneously. | 19:54 |
| ruhe | etherpad.openstack.org might be a better place for collaborative editing | 19:54 |
| * gothicmindfood_ <3 etherpad | 19:55 | |
| ttx | oh backlog | 19:57 |
| mordred | hey ttx | 19:58 |
| mordred | we're doing things | 19:58 |
| mordred | and by we, I mean people who are not me | 19:58 |
| ttx | mordred: I think you can use "they" in that case, but then, i'm not a native speaker | 20:00 |
| mordred | ttx: bah. silly french influence | 20:02 |
| krotscheck | Sorry everyone, was answering the call o fnature | 20:06 |
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| krotscheck | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/M6G4iKRZZX | 20:08 |
| krotscheck | Pluggable auth is great and wonderful and is going to take a long long time. | 20:11 |
| krotscheck | mordred: How's that +2 for the webclient coming along? | 20:11 |
| mordred | krotscheck: I'll be working on that today | 20:12 |
| ruhe | krotscheck: yeah, i agree. we might end up in a situation similar to ceilometer and a bunch of backend storages, most of them aren't tested in jenkins and only one of them is recommended for production | 20:13 |
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| ruhe | mordred: i'd appreciate some input on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65017/ too | 20:14 |
| krotscheck | ruhe: Right- perhaps taking the approach of "We'll let you use anything you want for login, but once we know who you are we give you an oauth token" approach. | 20:14 |
| krotscheck | I speak good engrish | 20:14 |
| mordred | krotscheck: YES | 20:15 |
| krotscheck | .....alllrightey then! | 20:16 |
| krotscheck | That was enthusiastic | 20:16 |
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| krotscheck | http://openid.net/connect/ | 20:27 |
| krotscheck | ...exactly what we're looking for re OpenID and OAuth | 20:27 |
| krotscheck | I just need to see if it's compatible with OpenID 2... | 20:30 |
| krotscheck | ...maybe not :/ | 20:31 |
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| mordred | krotscheck: o hai. can you rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/62956/ on top of current master | 21:06 |
| mordred | krotscheck: and I'll land it | 21:06 |
| ruhe | mordred: didn't community agree that editor-specific gitignores shouldn't be in git? | 21:08 |
| ruhe | there was a long thread and this is what i get from it | 21:08 |
| mordred | ruhe: I actually think the last thing we agreed on was to put a common file somewhere like oslo and start syncing it when we synced other things - it was the patch churn that was concerning to people | 21:12 |
| mordred | in this case, we have a small enough group working on this that it really doesn't bother me if it's helpful to one of them | 21:13 |
| ttx | I agreed not to care anout it | 21:13 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 21:13 |
| ruhe | ok, just asked :) | 21:13 |
| mordred | ruhe: :) | 21:14 |
| mordred | ruhe: speaking of - I'd love to land this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/66414/7 | 21:14 |
| mordred | ruhe: but I'd like to not delete django until we've got the new webclient up and running - any chance you could rebase it to not depend on django removal patch? | 21:14 |
| ruhe | mordred: sure | 21:15 |
| mordred | ruhe: thanks! | 21:15 |
| krotscheck | mordred: Willdo, as soon as I'm done with the etherpad. | 21:15 |
| * mordred has +2 access back - is trying to work through the queue | 21:15 | |
| ttx | I'll review things tomorrow | 21:19 |
| ttx | except the blocking one that mordred asked me to review now | 21:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ruslan Kamaldinov proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Add tests for Alembic migrations https://review.openstack.org/66414 | 21:28 |
| ruhe | mordred: done and have a green ball in jenkins | 21:31 |
| mordred | ruhe: woot | 21:31 |
| ruhe | i like that we chose to stick with frameworks adopted by openstack projects - pecan,alembic,etc. it helps to better understand how core projects work | 21:36 |
| * krotscheck is generally annoyed at the not-helpful-to-implementors way that the OpenID specification is written. | 21:48 | |
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| ttx | OK, just approved the SQLAlchemy patch | 21:51 |
| ttx | will review the rest tomorrow | 21:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ruslan Kamaldinov proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Add tests for Alembic migrations https://review.openstack.org/66414 | 22:04 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, done with the etherpad : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/M6G4iKRZZX | 22:37 |
| krotscheck | (for now) | 22:37 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack-infra/storyboard: Add SQLalchemy database model https://review.openstack.org/62239 | 22:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Krotscheck proposed a change to openstack-infra/storyboard: Added .gitignore for IntelliJ specific configuration files https://review.openstack.org/62956 | 22:54 |
| krotscheck | mordred: Rebased. Jenkins hasn't picked it up yet though | 23:05 |
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