| opendevreview | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/contributor-guide master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/contributor-guide/+/954398 | 02:58 |
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| opendevreview | Merged openstack/contributor-guide master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/contributor-guide/+/954398 | 08:47 |
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| fungi | relevant to recent discussions about ai-generated and ai-assisted code contributions: https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/ | 13:09 |
| fungi | noonedeadpunk: ivan anfimov (not sure about their irc nick) is e-mailing me directly to suggest fixes to translation proposal jobs that are broken since your change to move them to noble... but he's e-mailing me from gmail so i can't easily reply since gmail doesn't accept e-mail from me. any idea if they're on irc? i want to suggest they post to either openstack-discuss or | 14:18 |
| fungi | openstack-i18n about it | 14:18 |
| fungi | and i don't want them to feel ignored when i don't respond by personal e-mail | 14:19 |
| frickler | fungi: they're not on irc afaict, would have made some earlier doc patch discussions easier, too | 14:25 |
| noonedeadpunk | fungi: they are from time to time. | 14:37 |
| noonedeadpunk | appear on horizon and smth other weekly meetings | 14:37 |
| noonedeadpunk | but not regularly on IRC | 14:37 |
| fungi | thanks | 14:37 |
| noonedeadpunk | anfimovir is the handle | 14:38 |
| *** Guest21734 is now known as clarkb | 14:53 | |
| spotz[m] | He and another person have been doing a lot of docs work I'd say since around the start of Epoxy | 18:37 |
| clarkb | as a general heads up (I think this illustrates larger concerns across openstack but I've experienced them within one context) as part of the opendev ci system migration from nodepool to "nodepool in zuul" we're trying to prune old ci images out of the system. Xenial has already been removed (it was well old) and bionic arm64 images are next on the chopping block. I tried to be | 18:43 |
| clarkb | helpful and do some job cleanup to make this a bit more graceful and i had to apply a patch to 10 branches of openstack/requirements to stop using bionic-arm64 | 18:43 |
| clarkb | half of those changes look like they won't pass due to job failures | 18:43 |
| clarkb | A few things stand out to me in this. The first is that we need to be better about doing "spring cleaning" on branches as new ones are created. There is no reason to have master running arm64 bionic jobs today | 18:43 |
| clarkb | doing this cleaning helps prevent propogation of the tech debt into the future | 18:44 |
| clarkb | The other thing that is that OpenStack is still carrying a lot of tech debt from the 'glory days' when there were far more people trying to get much more work done. It is probably beneficial at this point to admit defeat and cut our lossse and let the old stuff die | 18:45 |
| clarkb | a natural consequence of fewer resources over time is that we've become a bit more targetted in what we're willing to test and so on. This limits the problem space. I suspect but haven't modelled it out that this means that "modern" openstack branches are in a better place by default | 18:46 |
| clarkb | we call branches unmaintained but they require a minimum of maintenance and that burden is often not front and center. | 18:47 |
| fungi | yes, the unmaintained plan (which i wasn't in favor of to be clear, my suggestion was to just cut our losses and delete stable branches after ~a year) purported to avoid imposing responsibility on project maintainers but really just ended up shuffling responsibilities and/or stashing them out of sight | 18:49 |
| fungi | soebody still has to clean up and delete things, and keeping this stuff around means vastlty more maintenance burden when opendev wants to drop old platforms | 18:49 |
| clarkb | we used the analogy of gardening and weeding earlier today in the opendev channel. I think that our garden is too big and we have too few gardeners. And its probably time to accept that and reduce the garden size to something manageable | 18:53 |
| clarkb | and break out of the idea that we'll get more gardeners or find ways to more efficiently weed the unwanted plants out | 18:53 |
| clarkb | if we prove that we can have more gardeners and better weeding in a small plot then you can expand again. but until then it seems more appropriate to reduce scope imo | 18:54 |
| opendevreview | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack/election master: Switch foundation membership check to new style https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/election/+/954787 | 19:20 |
| fungi | see comments in #openstack-election about ^ for anyone here who follows changes to election tooling | 20:50 |
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