| opendevreview | gnuoy proposed openstack/governance master: Create mono repo for sunbeam charms https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/900168 | 11:29 |
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| opendevreview | Vishal Manchanda proposed openstack/governance master: Update Nodejs Runtime to Nodejs v20 From Nodejs v18 for Caracal Cycle https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/900224 | 17:40 |
| rosmaita | gmann: thanks for your comments, left responses for you on https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/early-caracal-unmaintained-transition | 18:48 |
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| JayF | tc-members; I did a bit of looking and started an etherpad with some pros/cons of zoom v meetpad for TC meetings as I see them; I'm going to be honest, going into this I wanted meetpad/jitsi to be the answer but there's a lot in both directions depending on what you value | 19:20 |
| JayF | https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/JayF-Nov-2023-MeetPad-v-Zoom | 19:20 |
| JayF | It's also possible I'm wrong/misinterpreted some of this, please put comments if so | 19:21 |
| JayF | one big open question I have is if there is a "dial in" option for meetpad/jitsi; that's a big benefit that zoom provides that gives a lot of accessibility | 19:21 |
| dansmith | I kinda doubt there's a dial-in | 19:22 |
| JayF | me too, but I'm saying it's an unknown because I'm not sure and don't want to say anything definitively when we have people in this channel who'd know for sure :) | 19:22 |
| dansmith | does jitsi support background blurring? I don't use that personally (although I should because of the mess behind me) but some people definitely need that | 19:24 |
| JayF | Yes it does, at a performance hit. | 19:24 |
| JayF | It was one of the pieces I tested, didn't list it there as it's roughly equivalent; both do it; both need more juice to do it | 19:24 |
| dansmith | ack, just wondering | 19:26 |
| JayF | my biggest concern with moving off zoom is around accessibility for lower end hardware/mobile devices/dial-in-telephone | 19:27 |
| dansmith | yeah, well, even though I don't have low-end hardware, making my high-end hardware behave like low-end hardware while on a call is not great either :) | 19:34 |
| clarkb | fwiw I find that jitsi meet and zoom have similar performance in the browser today | 19:36 |
| JayF | fair; but I'm less worried about folks like me and you getting a warm office for 30 minutes and more worried about the people that could be completely excluded by our technology choices | 19:36 |
| clarkb | the only improvement performance wise with zoom comes from the native client which was broken for opensuse due to broken package signing when I Finally uninstalled it and went full web client for zoom | 19:37 |
| JayF | Was your local browser configured to use hardware accelaration? | 19:37 |
| clarkb | I don't think so beacuse its linux and chrome and amd | 19:37 |
| clarkb | iirc only intel gpus get hardware acceleration on linux | 19:37 |
| JayF | AMD does, too, pretty well supported actually. | 19:38 |
| * clarkb checks | 19:38 | |
| JayF | what driver you using? if it's amdgpu, you're golden | 19:38 |
| dansmith | hardware acceleration on apple arm in the native client is, as you would expect, stellar | 19:38 |
| clarkb | ya I'm using the free driver. Looks like some hardware acceleration is enabeld and other bits are not. Not video ecnode and decode are disabled whcih I suspect are important for calls | 19:39 |
| JayF | those are free-as-in-speech to enable as long as you are OK with firmware blobs | 19:39 |
| clarkb | canvas, compositing, rasterization, webgl some a coupel others are enabled. TIL | 19:39 |
| JayF | you are probably just some config away from getting that going | 19:39 |
| JayF | at least on gentoo, ymmv on suse, I guess | 19:40 |
| dansmith | JayF: sorry, the article you linked was about them doing that over the summer, and they've since reverted their policy to say they do *not* do that | 19:43 |
| dansmith | https://www.theverge.com/2023/8/11/23828649/zoom-communications-like-data-train-ai-artificial-intelligence-models | 19:43 |
| dansmith | I thought you were asserting it was still a problem, | 19:43 |
| dansmith | but I see you had the positive url, negative language | 19:43 |
| JayF | no, I'm saying the opposite: it's been asserted to me it's a problem, I'm saying that is wrong, it's not training on us | 19:43 |
| dansmith | yep, I'm with you now | 19:44 |
| JayF | or more appropriately | 19:44 |
| JayF | if they *are* training on us | 19:44 |
| JayF | OIF just got a new income stream | 19:44 |
| JayF | heh | 19:44 |
| dansmith | I thought (from the URL) that was an article about them *actually* doing that | 19:44 |
| JayF | no, but I should've gone the next step and checked the TOS the first time thru | 19:45 |
| JayF | especially given it was the verge | 19:45 |
| dansmith | let's remove my AFAIK and children to avoid the confusion | 19:45 |
| dansmith | ++ | 19:46 |
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| fungi | we debated some of this recently too, when discussing meetpad becoming the default for the next ptg. it was suggested that while people bring up dial-in as a missing feature, it's not clear anyone actually would use it if we turned that on. also there are mobile apps for android and ios, from what i understand | 20:04 |
| JayF | I see things like dial-in as a valuable fallback for a recurring meeting moreso than a need for a point-in-time event like a vPTG. | 20:05 |
| JayF | simply because I assume for vPTG most of us have cleared the deck moreso than a recurring upstream meeting | 20:06 |
| dansmith | we had at least one dial-in participant in the nova room at one point | 20:06 |
| dansmith | I think it's not worth infra implementing that for meetpad, but it's one of those "...but zoom just has it for free so it's an option" sort of things | 20:07 |
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