| arne_wiebalck | gmann: I did not add my preferences to the weekly meeting doodle yet ... and now doodle is down since a day or so :-/ | 07:43 |
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| arne_wiebalck | gmann: also, as mentioned, I will be 15mins or so late for the tc meeting today, sorry | 07:45 |
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| gmann | arne_wiebalck: no issue, we will check time in meeting itself. I will move that item during the end of agenda. | 13:56 |
| arne_wiebalck | gmann: thanks | 13:56 |
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| gmann | spotz: can you please start the google meet for today meeting? | 14:59 |
| dansmith | and paste link? | 15:00 |
| gmann | https://meet.google.com/uzo-tfkt-top | 15:00 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, video meeting. *Sigh* | 15:00 |
| fungi | i'll follow along here since i'm also in two other meetings right now | 15:02 |
| gmann | not sure spotz is there, I still cannot be in | 15:02 |
| spotz | coming! | 15:02 |
| gmann | cool | 15:02 |
| gmann | #startmeeting tc | 15:04 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Thu Mar 3 15:04:59 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 15:04 |
| gmann | #topic Roll call | 15:05 |
| gmann | o/ | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | o/ | 15:05 |
| dansmith | o/ | 15:05 |
| knikolla | o/ | 15:05 |
| gmann | #topic Follow up on past action items | 15:05 |
| slaweq | o/ | 15:05 |
| gmann | #link https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-02-24-15.00.html | 15:06 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 15:06 |
| gmann | #topic Welcome new TC members | 15:06 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-February/027412.html | 15:06 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: Where did you go!?! | 15:09 |
| spotz | o/ for the roll call | 15:09 |
| rosmaita | sorry, had a system crash | 15:09 |
| jungleboyj | Dude. Don't have a new one yet? ;-) | 15:10 |
| gmann | #topic Gate health check | 15:10 |
| rosmaita | haven't you heard about the world wide chip shortage? | 15:10 |
| yoctozepto | #topic rosmaita's PC health check :-) | 15:10 |
| jungleboyj | Not at Lenovo. :-) | 15:10 |
| rosmaita | not healthy! | 15:10 |
| yoctozepto | :-) | 15:10 |
| rosmaita | i am on a P50 | 15:10 |
| jungleboyj | A BEAST! | 15:11 |
| fungi | worth noting, for folks relying on the "expanded" node labels provided by the ericsson/airship donation in citycloud, we found out monday that the account was being closed down that day, so we expedited its removal from our configuration and those expanded nodes may be less available (some of them are still also provided in vexxhost i think, but maybe not all) | 15:13 |
| fungi | if you see node_error results on any jobs starting this week, that could be why | 15:14 |
| gmann | #action gmann to add the FIPs testing direction in next meeting agenda | 15:15 |
| spotz | fungi any updates on the resource issue? | 15:16 |
| fungi | the inap donation removal at the end of the month? no news yet | 15:17 |
| spotz | Yeah | 15:17 |
| gmann | #topic Next step for release cadence | 15:19 |
| gmann | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20220210-release-cadence-adjustment.html | 15:19 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/824489 | 15:24 |
| gmann | #info dansmith will work on the documentation for release cadence and in PTG we will schedule a sessions to explain to community along with ML | 15:24 |
| gmann | #topic Z cycle Leaderless projects | 15:24 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/zed-leaderless | 15:25 |
| gmann | #action slaweq to send the ML to call for PTL for adjutant and trove project | 15:28 |
| gmann | #topic PTG Preparation | 15:29 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-February/027381.html | 15:29 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/tc-zed-ptg | 15:29 |
| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-February/027382.html | 15:30 |
| gmann | #link https://doodle.com/poll/gz4dy67vmew5wmn9 | 15:30 |
| gmann | #link https://doodle.com/poll/dcer6i3wk2b8eim3 | 15:30 |
| gmann | #topic Weekly meeting time check | 15:40 |
| gmann | #agree keep TC weekly meeting same time. | 15:48 |
| gmann | #topic Dropping tags framework - next steps (yoctozepto) | 15:48 |
| gmann | #topic newsletter | 15:49 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/newsletter-openstack-news | 15:50 |
| gmann | #topic Open Reviews | 15:51 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/q/projects:openstack/governance+is:open | 15:51 |
| gmann | #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/830454 | 15:51 |
| gmann | #link https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/CHAIR.rst | 15:55 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Thu Mar 3 15:57:09 2022 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-03-03-15.04.html | 15:57 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-03-03-15.04.txt | 15:57 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/tc/2022/tc.2022-03-03-15.04.log.html | 15:57 |
| dansmith | spotz: this doesn't really help with DST issues, but I find this thing super useful: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/clocker/id1056643111?mt=12 | 15:57 |
| dansmith | basically makes it super easy to figure out what a local time is in any other TZ | 15:57 |
| arne_wiebalck | sorry if this is obvious, but what does the roll-call vote do on a change? | 16:01 |
| dansmith | arne_wiebalck: roll-call is your official vote for a thing as a TC member | 16:01 |
| spotz | arne_wiebalck: Just really shows your vote so we can see who is for or against something | 16:01 |
| gmann | yeah that is what TC official call is, code review is just additional thing but does not count as official vote | 16:02 |
| gmann | *TC official vote | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | dansmith: Too bad they don't have that for those of us that refuse to give money to the evil Apple overlords. ;-) | 16:02 |
| arne_wiebalck | dansmith: spotz; gmann: thanks! | 16:03 |
| dansmith | jungleboyj: something may exist, but yeah, it's pretty rad.. too bad for you | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | :-( Well, we all have our crosses to bear. | 16:03 |
| spotz | dansmith: I hae one column that is UTC and one Chicago time zone so I can compare and give people the right time. Where I run into trouble sometimes is if someone plans something ongoing and my UTC meetings technically don't shift and my non-UTC ones do | 16:03 |
| gmann | arne_wiebalck: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/charter.html#motions | 16:03 |
| arne_wiebalck | gmann: thanks! | 16:05 |
| spotz | And I have way too many meetings:) | 16:05 |
| fungi | spotz: yeah, i maintain my schedule in utc and keep my dst-following meetings in their own section with a reminder to update the list to shift them by an hour on the appropriate dates | 16:12 |
| fungi | it's the sanest solution i've been able to arrive at | 16:12 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Remove link to the user-committee-repos.yaml file https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/831361 | 16:24 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Update address of the mailing list https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/831357 | 16:24 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | Sorry I missed the meeting! I was hosting another episode of open infra live. | 16:34 |
| fungi | superstar | 16:35 |
| diablo_rojo_phone | Maybe lol | 16:42 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Define Zed cycle testing runtime https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/830454 | 16:56 |
| spotz | gmann just emailed out a share link for the video. Sorry it's so late been distracted | 19:57 |
| gmann | spotz: thanks. | 19:59 |
| opendevreview | Ghanshyam proposed openstack/governance master: Update Arne email id https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/831847 | 21:39 |
| gmann | arne_wiebalck: ^^ not sure why gerrit account query is case sensitive | 21:39 |
| clarkb | gmann: I think that the email rfc says everything prior to the @ is handled by the host after the @ and while not common it is possible for them to treat things case sensitively. This means that programs like gerrit need to be conservative | 21:43 |
| clarkb | fungi: ^ can probably tell me I'm wrong though :) | 21:43 |
| fungi | correct. rfc 822 and its successors state that the "local part" of any e-mail address is case-sensitive, the "domain part" follows hostname (and later dns) rules so is case-insentitive | 21:47 |
| opendevreview | Merged openstack/governance master: Update python testing template to yoga https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/governance/+/831557 | 21:47 |
| fungi | clarkb: gmann: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc822#section-6.1 says 'local-part = word *("." word) ; uninterpreted case-preserved' | 21:50 |
| fungi | important bit being "case-preserved" | 21:51 |
| clarkb | ya so Gerrit cannot assume case insensitive matching as it may end up colliding multiple users | 21:51 |
| fungi | lots of mail providers choose to treat the local part as case-insensitive for final delivery because they have the ability to know that different case versions of the local part go to the same account, but any other system prior to the final delivery can't make that assumption | 21:52 |
| gmann | humm, rfc 822 does not clearly tell about case sensitive. at least I cannot read it from doc | 21:54 |
| fungi | see above link to the syntax | 21:54 |
| fungi | also in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc822#section-3.4.7 it clearly states "The only syntactic units which requires preservation of case information are: [...] local-part" | 21:57 |
| fungi | it calls out "postmaster" being the lone exception, where any combination of upper and lower casing should go to the same role account | 21:58 |
| gmann | yeah postmaster is exception. | 22:01 |
| fungi | so yes, foo@example.com and Foo@example.com are different e-mail addresses, but foo@example.com and foo@Example.com are the same address | 22:02 |
| fungi | at least according to the relevant standards | 22:03 |
| gmann | seems so but most of email servers (may be all) i have seen use them case insensitive way. | 22:06 |
| fungi | right. and this is where postel's law comes into play | 22:09 |
| fungi | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle | 22:10 |
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