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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/project-team-guide master: Allow multiple releases in cycle-automatic https://review.opendev.org/674249 | 09:32 |
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| asettle | o/ | 10:16 |
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| fungi | tc-members: time to step up the encouragement for people to run for office! less than 1.5 days remaining in the nomination period (election officials will also be sending a memo to the ml in a few hours to this effect) | 12:52 |
| fungi | we only have 2 tc nominees for 6 open seats at the moment | 12:53 |
| fungi | the people who keep advocating that more incumbent tc members need to step down because it's been discouraging anyone else from running, this is your opportunity to prove you were correct! | 12:53 |
| fungi | we're also short ptl nominees for 45 teams: Adjutant Barbican Blazar Cinder Cyborg Designate Documentation Ec2_Api Freezer Glance Heat Horizon I18n Infrastructure Karbor Kolla Loci Manila Masakari Monasca Murano Nova Octavia OpenStackAnsible OpenStackClient OpenStackSDK OpenStack_Charms OpenStack_Helm Oslo Packaging_Rpm Placement | 12:54 |
| fungi | PowerVMStackers Qinling Quality_Assurance Rally Release_Management Requirements | 12:54 |
| fungi | er, stray newlines there cause me to send part of that list before editing | 12:54 |
| fungi | these are the 45 teams which still have no nominees for ptl: Adjutant Barbican Cinder Cyborg Designate Documentation Ec2_Api Freezer Glance Heat Horizon I18n Infrastructure Karbor Kolla Loci Manila Masakari Monasca Murano Nova Octavia OpenStackAnsible OpenStackClient OpenStackSDK OpenStack_Helm Oslo Packaging_Rpm Placement PowerVMStackers Qinling Quality_Assurance Rally Release_Management Requirements | 12:56 |
| fungi | Senlin Solum Storlets Swift Tacker Telemetry Trove Watcher Winstackers Zun | 12:56 |
| ttx | gmann: are you planning to run again? | 12:56 |
| ttx | otherwise we might just go to 9 faster than expected :_ | 12:57 |
| gmann | ttx: yeah, got sick from my Vietnam travel so I am writing my candidacy today. | 12:57 |
| ttx | great! thx | 12:57 |
| fungi | you have until 23:45 utc tomorrow, but the sooner the better | 12:57 |
| gmann | yeah | 12:58 |
| fungi | oh, actually i just realized the script we have for listing teams with no ptl candidate depends on the checked out git repo state, it doesn't query remotely | 13:00 |
| gmann | fungi: I have added my candidacy for Quality_Assurance PTL . | 13:00 |
| fungi | yep, revised list incoming ;) | 13:00 |
| gmann | ok :) | 13:00 |
| fungi | these *26* teams are lacking ptl candidates: Adjutant Cyborg Designate Documentation Freezer Horizon I18n Infrastructure Loci Manila Monasca Nova Octavia OpenStackAnsible OpenStackSDK OpenStack_Helm Oslo Placement PowerVMStackers Rally Release_Management Requirements Tacker Telemetry Winstackers Zun | 13:00 |
| fungi | still not great, but a lot better than 45! | 13:01 |
| gmann | yeah, Trinh sent email about Telemetry PTL and lxkong (?) will be adding his nomination but not yet. | 13:03 |
| asettle | fungi, stephenfin and I are discussing documentation PTL currently. Although unofficial, that is being dealt with | 13:06 |
| gmann | Tacker PTL nomination is coming soon | 13:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Liam Young proposed openstack/governance master: New charm for cinder integration with Purestorage https://review.opendev.org/679650 | 13:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexandra Settle proposed openstack/governance master: Updating completion criteria https://review.opendev.org/679654 | 13:56 |
| asettle | fungi, can one co-PTL? | 13:58 |
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| asettle | fungi, stephenfin and I are discussing co-PTLing for Docs. Recognise that it's last minute, and so be it if we have to just accept one over the other (we're not competing, we're trying to split the remaining work) | 14:06 |
| asettle | If it's possible to put in one application for two people, that'd be swell. | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | asettle : we've always wanted a single point of contact, but a PTL can delegate as much of their duties as they want | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | there was a similar question in a thread on the ML where gmann responded in more detail http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-August/008737.html | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | ricolin_ I notice we've had a few folks submitting candidacies using the Ussuri name; is that confirmed by the foundation yet? | 14:20 |
| gmann | dhellmann: yeah, this is mail from ricolin_ as confirmed name - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-August/008904.html | 14:22 |
| ricolin_ | dhellmann, it's confirmed | 14:22 |
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| dhellmann | ah, good, I missed that one | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 14:22 |
| asettle | dhellmann, yeah I briefly spoke to Andy about it too. I'm surprised we haven't introduced it before now, if I'm honest. | 14:25 |
| asettle | But in our case, we're dividing anyway so we'll just figure it out. | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | mostly it has been to avoid confusion when trying to contact a team, since a key part of the PTL role is to act as a public face for the team. That's not to say it couldn't change, but that's the history. | 14:26 |
| * dhellmann goes back to holidaying | 14:27 | |
| asettle | dhellmann, aye good point :) | 14:27 |
| asettle | Yes, go holiday! | 14:27 |
| gmann | asettle: yeah what dhellmann mentioned. co-PTLs can be managed internally within team but I too prefer the single point of contact for TC and community. | 14:29 |
| asettle | Makes sense, reduces confusion etc. | 14:29 |
| asettle | Although I do just admit to being surprised we hadn't done it before | 14:30 |
| asettle | A lot of individuals don't have the full time, and therefore a single point of contact is a single point of failure | 14:30 |
| gmann | one way is to divide the roles on time basis. for example first 3 month x PTL then y as PTL with PTL change proposal in TC. | 14:30 |
| asettle | Yeah, unfortunately that doesn't work on an adhoc basis when work takes you away. | 14:31 |
| gmann | ohk, in full time active things, it can happen for co-PTL also | 14:31 |
| gmann | but while PTL is inactive, we can always communicate it over ML and mention about contact person or proxy-PTL like julia did | 14:32 |
| asettle | True, true | 14:33 |
| gmann | i am not very again of co-PTL but I feel that can make point-of-contact more confusing and inactive (if PTL and co-PTL are not in sync). | 14:34 |
| gmann | *against | 14:34 |
| asettle | Yes I think the point of synchronisation is the most important | 14:38 |
| asettle | If the two can work together to genuinely delegate workloads and work as one, then it would be highly successful | 14:38 |
| asettle | But if not, it would create mass confusion | 14:38 |
| fungi | the counter argument against officially recognizing more than one ptl for a team (from a governance perspective) is that old saw, "when something is everyone's responsibility, it's no one's responsibility" | 14:45 |
| asettle | Aye ^ that's true also | 14:46 |
| fungi | so the ptl can delegate all of their responsibilities to others, no problem, but the ptl is still on the hook to make sure their delegates get those things done | 14:48 |
| fungi | or, to rephrase, you can delegate ptl work but not ptl responsibility, i guess | 14:48 |
| evrardjp | I will ping OSH and OSA | 14:53 |
| evrardjp | (sorry it's for a message above from fungi about the projects not having PTL candidates yet) | 14:54 |
| fungi | yep, i got the context. thanks! | 14:55 |
| fungi | i'll also be sending the list of teams missing ptl nominees shortly | 14:55 |
| fungi | i'm more worried about the lack of tc candidates. we need to get the word out that there's only a day left and we still need at least 3 more to fill the open seats | 14:56 |
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| fungi | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-September/009010.html | 17:15 |
| fungi | tc-members: please make sure that gets around | 17:15 |
| mnaser | I Will be running for OSA but I'm doing irl responsibilities on the day off today | 17:16 |
| mnaser | Should put it up later today | 17:16 |
| fungi | mnaser: no worries, you have ~30.5 hours before you need to switch hats and declare yourself a ptl ;) | 17:17 |
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| lxkong | fungi: hi, not sure the list of projects without PTL nominees is correct, at least, Trove and Qinling have PTL candidates | 21:10 |
| fungi | lxkong: the list in http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-September/009010.html does not include trove or qinling | 21:11 |
| fungi | those already have candidates, i agree | 21:12 |
| lxkong | fungi: cool, didn't see the email, just notified by the highlights I set in this channel | 21:12 |
| lxkong | fungi: thanks | 21:13 |
| fungi | i corrected myself in the subsequent comment | 21:13 |
| fungi | er, well, a few comments later, with the list i pasted in here at 13:00 utc | 21:13 |
| lxkong | just saw that :-) | 21:14 |
| fungi | cool, thanks for checking! | 21:14 |
| lxkong | fungi: thank you | 21:14 |
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| fungi | including nominations still up for confirmation, we now have ptl candidates for all but 20 teams and all but 2 open tc seats | 22:21 |
| fungi | with roughly 25.5 hours remaining | 22:21 |
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