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| mnaser | dhellmann: any reason the linters for the atc checks are not currently making the job fail (aka i feel like they should?) | 13:06 |
| mnaser | i can make the change but wondering if there's any historic reasons | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | mnaser : we had a bunch of bad data in there and I just hadn't finished cleaning it up | 13:09 |
| dhellmann | there's a question of what to do for people who have been voted ATC status but don't have the account set up properly | 13:09 |
| dhellmann | remove them? flag them to skip validation? other? | 13:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: add jsonschema validation for project data https://review.opendev.org/673618 | 13:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Make url required in projects.yaml https://review.opendev.org/674666 | 13:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: linters: enforce ATC membership after January 2020 https://review.opendev.org/675902 | 14:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: I18n Extra-ATCs for Train https://review.opendev.org/674049 | 14:05 |
| mnaser | dhellmann: ^ skipped validation until the most recent batch, and enforcing it for anyone being added with expires-in > jan2020 | 14:06 |
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| dhellmann | +1 | 14:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: linters: enforce ATC membership after January 2020 https://review.opendev.org/675902 | 14:08 |
| mnaser | dhellmann: woops good catch thank you | 14:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: I18n Extra-ATCs for Train https://review.opendev.org/674049 | 14:09 |
| mugsie | mnaser: do contributors have to be members of the foundaiton to be ATCs currently? It is an area I am not sure about | 14:21 |
| mnaser | https://www.openstack.org/legal/technical-committee-member-policy/ 3(a) seems to clarify that " An ATC is an Individual Member who has had...." and "An Individual Member who has made only other technical contributions to the OpenStack Core Project..." | 14:24 |
| fungi | mugsie: mnaser: yes, "atc" as defined in the bylaws is first an individual member of the osf in good standing | 14:26 |
| mugsie | Ah, OK. I knew we allowed non members to contibute now, wasn't sure if that went down to ATC. thanks | 14:27 |
| fungi | not all contributors, not even all code contributors are atc, only those who are also osf individual members | 14:27 |
| fungi | right, contribution does not require membership, but membership is required to run in or vote in technical elections (as well as board and uc elections) | 14:28 |
| fungi | also membership has to be kept active. if you fail to vote in two board elections in a row your membership expires | 14:29 |
| fungi | at which point you are also no longer atc (if you were before) | 14:29 |
| fungi | however, as long as you are a member you are also eligible to be an atc immediately, unlike with board elections where you need to be a member at least 180 days before the election | 14:30 |
| mugsie | yeah - a use it or loose it style clause | 14:30 |
| fungi | it keeps our osf membership count down to a "reasonable" ~100k people | 14:31 |
| corvus | where can you find out if you voted in a board election? | 14:36 |
| fungi | that is an excellent question and i do not know the answer but will ask | 14:37 |
| fungi | corvus: but while i'm waiting on and answer to that, i also believe during removal batches a warning e-mail is sent to individual members who are at risk of having their memberships expire, with a url they can follow to manually renew it before that happens (and so i believe that means there is technically a way to remain a member without actually voting) | 14:40 |
| fungi | the idea seems to be to remove people who joined but then stopped caring after a year or more | 14:41 |
| fungi | not to remove people who intend to maintain active membership | 14:41 |
| corvus | fungi: ah, okay, thanks | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: linters: enforce ATC membership after January 2020 https://review.opendev.org/675902 | 14:46 |
| fungi | corvus: also the answer could be delayed somewhat. most of the people with answers are on airplanes for much of today | 14:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mohammed Naser proposed openstack/governance master: I18n Extra-ATCs for Train https://review.opendev.org/674049 | 16:13 |
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| Sundar | Hello, Python 3 is one of the Train goals. I see Zuul support being added for other projects but not CYborg. What do I need to do to enable Python 3 support? | 16:35 |
| gmann | Sundar: it is Stein goal which is continuing in Train also. we have another goal on python3 migration is to update the python version testing with Train python runtime. | 16:49 |
| zaneb | Sundar: coreycb's answer on https://review.opendev.org/667076 explains most of it | 16:49 |
| gmann | Sundar: i saw no py3 jobs in Cyborg. We can start with python unit tests jobs first and see how it behaves. but this is all we have to do to make python 3 as default - https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/stein/python3-first.html#completion-criteria | 16:50 |
| zaneb | adding python3.7 testing (in addition to py36, and dropping py35) to all jobs that run python 3 tests is a goal for Train | 16:50 |
| mnaser | zaneb: btw, added a comment and a parent change re the point you brought up here https://review.opendev.org/#/c/674049/5 | 16:51 |
| zaneb | Sundar: adding python 3 testing was a goal for Pike | 16:51 |
| zaneb | mnaser: yeah, I almost did that myself, but then I realised that foundation members timing out could break the governance gate unrelated to any changes made by us. which seems like it might be bad (and at least this was the original reason that dhellmann did not make that check gating) | 16:54 |
| gmann | yeah which is continue in stein too but Cyborg is missing py3 unit/functional tests jobs (may be dhellmann had plan for that ? or i can add those) - https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/stein/python3-first.html | 16:54 |
| mnaser | zaneb: yeah, i thought about that, i decided that if our gate breaks, we can simply remove those atc's as it's not really a valid record at that point (imho) | 16:54 |
| zaneb | yes, it might be a good thing | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | gmann : I have completed all of the work I intend to complete for python 3 | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | Sundar : https://review.opendev.org/#/q/topic:python3-first+project:%255E.*cyborg.* shows all of the patches prepared for cyborg repos as part of the python3-first work we did during stein | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure what's missing, there, do you mean the work coreycb is doing this cycle to add the train test template for unit tests? | 16:59 |
| gmann | dhellmann: i see. unit tests job are missing from cyborg repo. I just pushed patch. | 16:59 |
| gmann | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/675990/ | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | ok | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure why that was missed last cycle | 17:00 |
| gmann | which will complete both (python-first work as well as coreycb Train runtime goal) | 17:01 |
| Sundar | Thank you all for the prompt response. :) I agree we should get UT going first and probably get a non-voting Zuul job. | 17:06 |
| zaneb | dhellmann: looks like it was probably missed because they weren't running python3 jobs in project-config (i.e. had missed the Pike goal) | 17:06 |
| Sundar | We (Cyborg) did have Py3 support as a goal for Train. We have been focused on more basic things, however. FWIW, we have started with: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/667524/ | 17:07 |
| Sundar | Thanks, gmann, for the patch. Will follow up. | 17:07 |
| dhellmann | zaneb : that would make sense | 17:16 |
| aspiers | hi all, is this the right channel to report bugs with openstack.org? | 17:18 |
| aspiers | https://www.openstack.org/summit/shanghai-2019/travel/ has <meta> tags referring to Berlin | 17:19 |
| aspiers | ah, looks like it even has a Berlin link in the <body> | 17:19 |
| dhellmann | aspiers : sometimes Jimmy is in channel, but I think most of the foundation staff is traveling this week | 17:21 |
| aspiers | dhellmann: gotcha, thanks | 17:21 |
| dhellmann | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/729 looks relevant | 17:22 |
| dhellmann | or maybe not, now that it has loaded | 17:22 |
| aspiers | heh | 17:22 |
| aspiers | IIRC there is a github issue tracker maye | 17:23 |
| aspiers | maybe | 17:23 |
| dhellmann | I know they have a more formal bug tracker than "ping jimmy on irc" but now I can't remember where it is | 17:23 |
| dhellmann | he always just answers me, so I blame him for me not learning where it is ;-) | 17:23 |
| aspiers | hehe | 17:24 |
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| fungi | aspiers: dhellmann: it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-org/+filebug | 18:02 |
| fungi | (or ping jamesmcarthur in irc) | 18:03 |
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| aspiers | fungi: thanks! | 18:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: No release in train for abandoned deliverables https://review.opendev.org/674286 | 18:45 |
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| aspiers | fungi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-org/+bug/1839879 | 20:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1839879 in openstack-org "Shanghai travel page still refers to Berlin" [Undecided,New] | 20:08 |
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