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| fungi | what we mostly seem to lack is people with time and interest to be project managers, but also sufficient insight into the projects involved to understand the scope of work and challenges involved | 01:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andriy Shevchenko proposed openstack/constellations master: Updatae home-page https://review.openstack.org/630101 | 09:46 |
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| ttx | tc-members: we'll have a new "community newsletter" out next week. If you have specific bits/threads/pointers that you'd like to highlight as "openstack project news" please add to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newsletter-openstack-news | 10:14 |
| eumel8 | ttx: maybe it's worth to mention the upcoming Ops Meetup in Berlin as a forecast for March: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 10:51 |
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| ttx | eumel8: good idea! Maybe it will appear more in an events section but should make sure to mention it yes | 12:20 |
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| mnaser | ttx: i'd like to highlight the merge of these nova-specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/554218/8 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/554212/12 | 14:10 |
| mnaser | that will allow for super interesting scheduling ideas. first of all it'll allow for things like pre-empitable instances | 14:10 |
| mnaser | and also it allows for some crazy ideas like... shutting down hypervisors in low load periods and starting them up when demand goes up | 14:10 |
| mnaser | i dunno, it's a really really really cool highlight which brings ability to do cool new features and green/power saving stuff too :) | 14:11 |
| cdent | mnaser: i'm missing how those two enable the shut down hypervisor case, couldn't you already do that? | 14:12 |
| mnaser | cdent: if i have 40 hvs and im using 10% of my cloud, i can shut off 90% but if demand suddenly bursts, instance schedules will always fail | 14:12 |
| cdent | oh, I see what you mean | 14:12 |
| mnaser | but instead with this, if demand bursts, instances will sit in PENDING for a long period of time while some $background_service powers them back on, calls nova for a rebuild once capacity is there, and the vm is up | 14:13 |
| mnaser | avoiding a customer to do retries etc :) | 14:13 |
| cdent | yes, that will be nice | 14:14 |
| fungi | some $background_service could be ironic, i guess? | 14:15 |
| fungi | i suppose that's the tripleo approach? if you need more hypervisors, nova schedule them onto additional undercloud bare metal instances? | 14:16 |
| fungi | does indeed seem like it opens up some useful avenues | 14:17 |
| smcginnis | That could be a really cool elastic capacity, project integration story if it would work that way. | 14:19 |
| * fungi imagines rooms full of computers powering up and down as vm and container load demands fluctuate | 14:21 | |
| cdent | there are several other ways to achieve similar results | 14:21 |
| fungi | can nova schedule virtual machines onto bare metal instances it's also managing via its ironic hypervisor driver? | 14:22 |
| cdent | for example you could also watch the results of various queries to placement and spin up new hypervisors shortly before you run out, instead of introducing the latency of the pending state | 14:22 |
| fungi | if so, i guess that eliminates a need for tripleo's undercloud approach in that particular case | 14:22 |
| cdent | fungi: depends on the hypervisor invovled with the vms, but if its qemu/kvm-based, something needs to put nova-compute on the bare metal | 14:23 |
| cdent | but "something" could be automaed | 14:24 |
| fungi | or could just be baked into the image | 14:24 |
| mnaser | cdent: thhe thing is it's pretty impossible to predict workloads | 14:24 |
| mnaser | like you can get a gigantic burst that takes you from 20% to 100% capacity in minutes | 14:25 |
| fungi | yeah, you can try to spin up and maintain some % available cushion, but demand can easily overrun that faster than you can stay ahead of it | 14:26 |
| cdent | right, my thinking was that multiple approaches be available depending on the kind of patterns that particular cloud sees. | 14:26 |
| mnaser | yeah, and the nice thing this solves is that it eliminates a client having to 'retry' | 14:26 |
| cdent | you want to be able to both be ahead of the curve, but also adapt when it gets ahead of you | 14:27 |
| mnaser | but also preemptible instances story is sweet | 14:27 |
| fungi | preemptible instances is something aws/ec2 has had for a while, right? idea being that your instances can get paused/shelved if a higher-paying workload suddenly needs the capacity you're consuming? | 14:28 |
| TheJulia | mnaser: I suspect shutting down would be awesome, might just be best for some of the power sync logic to be revisited between nova/ironic in the "undercloud" case. I know cern has had some issues because nova and ironic both think they are authoritative for power control... but there are some legitimate reasons to independently power a machine on as well... like "oh, its not up, let me quickly add more ram to that box." | 14:30 |
| mnaser | fungi: yes, also gcp has it | 14:30 |
| mnaser | TheJulia: well as of right now, the "thing" that powers things on or off can be arbitrary, the idea is that nova can halt scheduling and let the user do $things before it tries again | 14:31 |
| mnaser | so my idea in this case is power on new computes, or maybe delete existing ephemeral vms to make space | 14:32 |
| TheJulia | I think it would be cool if something automatically new to power on, or even provision new compute nodes. Tied with an inventory of hardware from ironic, it could get interesting. The one issue I see is some of the network aspects might not be ideal for a auto-scaling compute fleet | 14:34 |
| TheJulia | but then again, they would just be a peaking plant | 14:34 |
| mugsie | is that not what watcher was supposed to be doing? | 14:35 |
| * mugsie has vague memoeries of intel people talking about it in Barcelona | 14:35 | |
| fungi | i suppose this is also a good opportunity to plug the autoscaling sig which is being formed | 14:35 |
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| fungi | or at least has been suggested/discussed and looks like they're about to formally propose | 14:36 |
| fungi | per ricolin's message to the discuss ml just now http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-January/001656.html | 14:37 |
| fungi | mugsie: and yeah, that thread mentioned watcher | 14:37 |
| smcginnis | Anyone have thoughts on the latest bot spammed patches change the home-page from www.openstack.org to the git repos? Doesn't seem correct to me. | 14:40 |
| smcginnis | Not even taking into consideration that cgit is going away. | 14:40 |
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| fungi | i haven't seen those | 14:41 |
| fungi | aha, they even misspelled "update" | 14:41 |
| fungi | https://review.openstack.org/630101 | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Andriy+Shevchenko%22+status:open | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I had to chuckle at that. | 14:41 |
| smcginnis | It your going to automate something like that, at least take two seconds to make sure you don't have a typo. | 14:42 |
| fungi | looks like at least some are changing them to the docs site | 14:42 |
| smcginnis | That's a little better at least. | 14:42 |
| ricolin | fungi, :) | 14:43 |
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| ttx | mnaser: those are nice, but is it likely to make it to Stein ? That sounds a bit abstract as an information for the general public if it's more than one release away... | 14:48 |
| mnaser | ttx: the code for enable rebuild instances is already pushed up a while back from cern -- https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/enable-rebuild-for-instances-in-cell0+(status:open+OR+status:merged) -- the pending stuff also is getting worked on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/introduce-pending-vm-state+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 14:49 |
| mnaser | that's really the "foundation" though, the next step would be leveraging those features, that might be a bit later | 14:49 |
| ttx | OK, been adding it to the etherpad under 'also happened', feel free to redact better | 14:54 |
| cdent | ttx, etherpad link? | 14:55 |
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| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newsletter-openstack-news as mentioned in the ping above | 14:55 |
| cdent | i seem to have missed that ping | 14:56 |
| * cdent looks at the logs | 14:56 | |
| ttx | it was a tc-m*mbers one | 14:56 |
| * cdent nods | 14:57 | |
| cdent | I wasn't connected when that happened | 14:57 |
| ttx | eumel8: was there some kind of formal announcement for ops meetup that we could link to ? /cc: smcginnis | 14:57 |
| ttx | the meeting logs are not crystal clear on the dates | 14:58 |
| smcginnis | ttx: It's been narrowed down to that week, but I don't think we've decided the specific dates yet. | 14:58 |
| ttx | OK, so I think we should wait for next newsletter to announce | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | Let me check to make sure on that. As far as I know, we have the venue reserved, we have committed to Berlin, but we are still working out some of the specific details. | 14:59 |
| ttx | yeah, it's like 99% sure but would prefer 100% before making it newsletter material | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | Agreed, might be better to give it a week and have more details to share. | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | ttx: I'll try to remember to ping you as soon as I hear any further decisions on that. | 15:01 |
| ttx | smcginnis: I added it for reference on the etherpad (in a "future" section) | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:02 |
| ttx | smcginnis: any news from Adjutant regarding Stein membershipFreeze? Would like to mention it in my Stein-2 milestone snippet | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | ttx: No, I still need to contact Adrian. | 15:05 |
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| ttx | ok, we still have a few days | 15:08 |
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| smcginnis | Too many distractions this week. Email sent. | 15:11 |
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| cdent | I remember that the reason I got into computers when I was wee was because the engagement was so single-minded, focused, and distraction free. I'd do some one thing on my computer for 15 hours and it was grand. Oh how things have changed. | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | I do remember a very short period in my career where that was normal. I miss those days. | 15:23 |
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| fungi | i remember being attracted to computers because it was a way to avoid interacting with other people ;) | 15:54 |
| cdent | yup | 15:55 |
| smcginnis | Well, there was that too. :) | 15:55 |
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| fungi | and now, computers seem to be the primary way people interact with each other | 15:55 |
| fungi | my how the tables have turned | 15:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Witold Bedyk proposed openstack/governance master: Update email address https://review.openstack.org/630314 | 16:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andriy Shevchenko proposed openstack/governance master: Update home-page https://review.openstack.org/630343 | 17:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance master: Update email address https://review.openstack.org/630314 | 17:22 |
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