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| openstackgerrit | Samuel Merritt proposed openstack/swift: Fix probe tests from commit cf48e75 https://review.openstack.org/311899 | 00:32 |
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| tdasilva | mattoliverau: hello! have a good trip home? | 00:57 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: hey man! Yeah, long but not bad. Got home yesterday, stayed up as long as I could and then slept for about 11 hours. Feeling good today.. but lets see how I fair tomorrow ;) | 01:02 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: you get home ok? | 01:03 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: yep, was super tired too, but i'm sure you had it worse. hope you get over jet leg soon | 01:03 |
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| ukaynar | Hi all, I would like to ask couple questions about the hadoop and swift integration. I would like to learn how hadoop chucks (64MB blocks) partition into swift objects. | 04:14 |
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| acoles | kota_: glad that arrived, hope all is well for you! | 11:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christopher Bartz proposed openstack/swift: Improves log message in swift.obj.replicator https://review.openstack.org/312042 | 12:39 |
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| revit | Clayg: sorry I missed your messages from yestarday. I guess I've got it wrong with the black list. I want to do object rate limit. I am now trying to set account_ratelimit for that purpose. I wonder where account_name/container_name should be mentioned in the config file? | 13:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alistair Coles proposed openstack/swift: crypto - add overview doc (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/312096 | 14:05 |
| acoles | jrichli: mahatic ^^ draft. There are some TODOs in there and some stuff that has not yet been implemented but we discussed last week | 14:06 |
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| acoles | ober37: notmyname: a solution based on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ContainerACLWithKeystoneV3 were implemented in patch 86430 | 14:21 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86430/ - swift - Restrict keystone cross-tenant ACLs to IDs (MERGED) | 14:21 |
| acoles | unless there is some idea there that didn't make it to code? | 14:22 |
| ober37 | acoles: Thank you! I'll take a look and follow up on any questions that I have | 14:23 |
| acoles | I guess that is an example of how wiki's aren't a perfect mechanism for managing specs - people stumble across old wiki's and there is no indication as to whether the work progressed or completed or was abandoned :/ | 14:24 |
| acoles | ober37: NP | 14:24 |
| acoles | I updated the wiki with link to merged patch | 14:24 |
| acoles | notmyname: but I do agree that is a good example of what a wiki spec could look like | 14:25 |
| * acoles indulges in shameful self-congratulation | 14:25 | |
| acoles | notmyname: maybe we just need a process to re-home wiki pages under 'proposed' and 'done'? | 14:26 |
| ober37 | acoles: I think the portion that I am interested in further exploring is how to avoid using UUIDs all together. Essentially the 4 options at the end of the Wiki | 14:28 |
| ober37 | acoles: I don't have a clean answer so I use the word "exploring" intentionally :) | 14:28 |
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| acoles | ober37: OIC. you want to use names in ACLs when the tenant/user is in non-default domain? | 14:34 |
| notmyname | good morning | 14:34 |
| ober37 | acoles: Yes, exactly. | 14:34 |
| ober37 | notmyname: morning | 14:35 |
| acoles | we do support names when we know we're dealing with default/legacy domain | 14:35 |
| acoles | notmyname: good morning | 14:35 |
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| bkeller` | 'morning | 14:36 |
| ober37 | acoles: yeah that makes sense (on the legacy domain support). The use case I am wrestling with is non-legacy users in non-default domains wanting to set cross-project / account ACLs without having to use UUIDs for the target users or projects | 14:37 |
| acoles | ober37: that is something I thought very hard about achieving but it needs some way to qualify a name with a domain membership, and IIRC that was hard | 14:41 |
| ober37 | acoles: yeah, I liked some of your thoughts around token inspection during various use cases to pull project domain information. | 14:48 |
| ober37 | acoles: I want to give some more consideration to the reseller use cases that you bring up | 14:48 |
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| notmyname | FYI I've been asked to propose a new openstack TC resolution to allow Go code in openstack projects (current resolution about language support is at http://governance.openstack.org/resolutions/20150901-programming-languages.html) | 14:51 |
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| notmyname | dfg_: redbo: I'll almost certainly be coming to you to ask for some info as I write this. stuff like graphs from your last summit presentation, etc | 14:51 |
| redbo | Okay | 14:52 |
| notmyname | I'll let you know (probably via email). I'm not sure yet what will be needed or what's sufficient | 14:53 |
| notmyname | thanks | 14:53 |
| jrichli | acoles: hope you had a good holiday yesterday. I will take a look at the overview doc - thanks for putting that together! | 14:57 |
| acoles | jrichli: i was mostly sleeping! | 14:57 |
| jrichli | :-) I have done a lot of that since Friday | 14:59 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: which overview doc? | 15:51 |
| jrichli | notmyname: acoles has created the first version of our crypto overview docs at patch 312096 | 15:52 |
| patchbot | jrichli: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312096/ - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - add overview doc (WIP) | 15:52 |
| notmyname | great, thanks | 15:52 |
| notmyname | dfg_: redbo: FYI http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093795.html | 15:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/89250 | 16:03 |
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| dfg_ | notmyname: ya saw that. so we are going to have to a case as to why go works better for the object layer- and it'll just be a one-off for openstack including go? | 16:37 |
| acoles | jrichli: we had an open questions from the crypto discussions last week: is it ok to use a container key to encrypt the etag with "fixed" nonce based on path? | 16:43 |
| acoles | I don't think it is necessary but it is a lot simpler because we could then have a single version of the encrypted plaintext etag that goes in object metadata and also goes in container update. | 16:44 |
| acoles | Seems like if container key + path based nonce is good enough for one place then its good enough for both. | 16:45 |
| acoles | mahatic: ^^ | 16:45 |
| notmyname | dfg_: no! (at least i hope not) I definitely want to keep the conversation around "it's ok to write code in golang" instead of "swift is allowed to use golang" | 16:47 |
| jrichli | acoles: I agree - and think we can go with container key for all etag values. Now that you have made a write-up for the etag encryption, I will point ccachin, reaperhulk, and hrou to this and see their thoughts on the topic. | 16:47 |
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| acoles | jrichli: ok. lets be sure *we* agree on it first ;) | 16:48 |
| jrichli | acoles: ok, i will wait for us to have some more feedback on the entity tag section - and get it somewhat stable - before bringing others in. | 16:49 |
| acoles | jrichli: we don't need to wait too long - tbh I am just aware I wrote most of it on 3 hours sleep and/or while jet lagged! | 16:50 |
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| clayg | lol @ notmyname - good luck with TC! | 17:17 |
| notmyname | clayg: people keep telling me this is why I always run unopposed for ptl ;-) | 17:18 |
| clayg | notmyname: it's so true - i don't know what the swift community would do without your weird tolarence for pain | 17:19 |
| clayg | it's like you think "it's worth it in the long run" or something | 17:19 |
| notmyname | I enjoy the other parts enough that I'm ok with putting up with this :-) | 17:19 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: i think others will agree with me and I say thank you! :-) | 17:20 |
| clayg | notmyname: THANK YOU! | 17:20 |
| notmyname | but yeah. some days I'd like to sit down with some interesting hardware and play with it and write code :-) | 17:20 |
| clayg | liek... when you retire? | 17:20 |
| tdasilva | lol | 17:21 |
| notmyname | lol, yeah, probably | 17:21 |
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| notmyname | look! it's the globo team with their swift shirts! https://twitter.com/marcosrj21/status/727549854973583360 | 17:26 |
| tdasilva | NM: who are you in that picture? | 17:30 |
| notmyname | CaioBren_: NM: quick question about that picture. I notice that the board behind you is (nearly) all in English. why? why not Portuguese? | 17:30 |
| CaioBren_ | notmyname: there is no special reason! we usually build our "scrum kanbans" in english | 17:33 |
| NM | tdasilva: I'm "right" next to Andreia. | 17:34 |
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| NM | notmyname: We also wants to dominate latin america. | 17:35 |
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| djc_ | are there any open source storage gateways? | 18:06 |
| zaitcev | What in the world is that supposed to mean? | 18:06 |
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| notmyname | djc_: owncloud is open source (and also has an enterprise paid version) | 18:10 |
| notmyname | djc_: there's also a bunch of other commercial ones (avere, swiftstack, storage made easy) | 18:11 |
| djc_ | notmyname: thank you. | 18:11 |
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| notmyname | djc_: what are you trying to do? what's the goal or use case? | 18:12 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: could you please explain what this conversation was about | 18:12 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: well, that's what my last question was hoping to discover ;-) | 18:12 |
| djc_ | notmyname: We have admins who are required to have off site backups of their database per policy. | 18:12 |
| djc_ | notmyname: They requested and NFS/CIFs share. | 18:13 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: but in my experience, it's people looking to do... yeah. what djc_ jsut said. push stuff to a remote cloud storage thing, normally through some filesystem interface, and where the cloud storage thing isn't local | 18:13 |
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| zaitcev | Oh my god | 18:13 |
| zaitcev | Wait, but Swiftstack's thing does not have to be colocated with the cluster, does it? Well, then, it's perfect in this role. Just not open source. | 18:14 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: right. and that's what's different about the proxyfs thing we talked about last week (it would be colocated with the cluster) | 18:15 |
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| ahale | its use cases like this that drive people to cloudfuse :( | 18:15 |
| zaitcev | It's possible to access Ceph RGW through NFS, but again that thing is embedded into RGW, so you'd be accessing NFS remotely. | 18:15 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: yeah, remote NFS is pretty terrible | 18:16 |
| notmyname | ahale: yup. and if we can pull off the proxyfs stuff, then maybe redbo won't have to worry about cloudfuse any more ;-) | 18:16 |
| zaitcev | That's not helping djc_'s use case. | 18:17 |
| notmyname | correct | 18:17 |
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| notmyname | sounds like djc_ is looking for a gateway (which is exactly what he said) so that the object storage is remote | 18:17 |
| djc_ | notmyname: that is correct. | 18:18 |
| zaitcev | Thanks... I understand now. | 18:18 |
| notmyname | so owncloud is the only gateway thing I know of that's open source (cloudfuse is open, but I'd imagine that a gateway probably has more features than cloudfuse by itself). | 18:18 |
| zaitcev | But I don't have a good answer. I suppose cloudfuse is it, but eh... | 18:18 |
| notmyname | mostly, though, I hear about the commercial ones | 18:18 |
| zaitcev | I wonder if one could cook something with a Linux box, /etc/exports, and rsync in a cron job. Or better yet, Amanda | 18:20 |
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| notmyname | oh yeah, totally. that's basically all these gateways are. it's not complicated. but tying together all the layers isn't something that most people want to spend time doing, so products exist (hello, capitalism!) | 18:22 |
| notmyname | and many of the commercial gateways end up doing these "value add" things that lock you in (like custom formats in the storage backend, dedupe, compression, etc) | 18:23 |
| notmyname | so that you end up being required to use the gateway for everything and can only access your data when you're using the gateway. (so pay your annual license bill) | 18:24 |
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| notmyname | djc_: so you're pushing to a remote swift cluster? | 18:25 |
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| notmyname | djc_: sounds like multi-region swift cluster could be pretty good for the compliance checkbox (so you'll have the backups in multiple geographies) | 18:26 |
| notmyname | djc_: possibly combined with a local gateway to feed the data into the remote swift cluster | 18:27 |
| djc_ | notmyname: It will be remote to the admins who will be using the swift cluster. | 18:27 |
| notmyname | djc_: that's great! its' definitely a use case that I've heard over and over again. there's a lot of people doing that with swift today | 18:27 |
| notmyname | djc_: sorry I can't help too much more with the gateway question. like I said, I normally hear about the commercial ones | 18:28 |
| djc_ | notmyname: I would like a multi-region swift cluster. Have to convince mgmt to free up $$$. | 18:28 |
| djc_ | notmyname: sure no problem. I appreciate your input. | 18:28 |
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| notmyname | gotta go to a team lunch. be back later | 18:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Barton proposed openstack/swift: go: conf.d support + some refactoring https://review.openstack.org/301299 | 19:09 |
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| zaitcev | "where's the oslo libraries for javascript [which is already an approved language]?" | 19:17 |
| StevenK | To be fair, JavaScript is used in a LOT less projects than Python where shared code benefits all | 19:19 |
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| notmyname | StevenK: who said we had to be fair? ;-) | 19:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/swift: Allow concurrent bulk deletes https://review.openstack.org/311817 | 20:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Richard Hawkins proposed openstack/swift: go: middleware to allow creating test objects https://review.openstack.org/312255 | 21:14 |
| notmyname | https://gist.github.com/notmyname/fe52ff0c32f01628a213039f3493affe <-- draft of proposed TC resolution. anyone have comment/issues with it? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | it's referring to http://governance.openstack.org/resolutions/20150901-programming-languages.html | 21:18 |
| openstackgerrit | David Goetz proposed openstack/swift: go: extra detail in replication error log https://review.openstack.org/312256 | 21:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Richard Hawkins proposed openstack/swift: go: middleware to allow creating test objects https://review.openstack.org/312255 | 21:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Parse options to dict https://review.openstack.org/312262 | 21:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Pull option processing out to service.py https://review.openstack.org/312263 | 21:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Burke proposed openstack/python-swiftclient: Default to v3 auth if we find a (user|project)-domain-(name|id) option https://review.openstack.org/310596 | 21:46 |
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| dukhlov | notmyname: hi! | 22:02 |
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| dukhlov | notmyname: are you around? | 22:03 |
| notmyname | always ;-) | 22:04 |
| mattoliverau | morning | 22:05 |
| notmyname | hello mattoliverau | 22:05 |
| notmyname | dukhlov: what's up? | 22:05 |
| notmyname | FYI proposed governance doc to allow golang is patch 312267 | 22:05 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312267/ - governance - update approved programming languages to include go | 22:05 |
| pdardeau | hey mattoliverau | 22:06 |
| mattoliverau | pdardeau: hey man | 22:07 |
| mattoliverau | pdardeau: y'all had a good drive home? | 22:07 |
| pdardeau | mattoliverau: yep, 1 hour bus ride. how about yours? (dare i ask) ;) | 22:08 |
| dukhlov | notmyname: I work on oslo.messaging project and need swift release to make our tempest gates green. Is it possible to make release in nearest future? | 22:09 |
| mattoliverau | lol, LONG... lets just say once I got home on Monday and stayed up as long as I could. I hadn't slept in over 40 hours and then crashed and slept for ~12 hours.. felt alot more human after that. | 22:10 |
| mattoliverau | pdardeau: ^ | 22:10 |
| notmyname | dukhlov: so tell me more. why does that require a swift release? either you'd be using the latest stable (which I'd suppose was already passing) or your using latest master (which has the patch you want) | 22:10 |
| clayg | notmyname: maybe they want to test their master with latest-stable? | 22:11 |
| notmyname | dukhlov: and which tests are failing? I'm guessing this is something to do with ceilometer maybe? there's nothing in swift today that uses oslo.messaging, so it's gotta be some other middleware from another project that's causing issues | 22:11 |
| clayg | notmyname: probably the monkey_patch select thing | 22:11 |
| dukhlov | notmyname: I need this change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303401/ | 22:12 |
| patchbot | dukhlov: patch 303401 - swift - Adds eventlet monkey patching of select module if ... (MERGED) | 22:12 |
| notmyname | dukhlov: please know I'm not opposed to a release. just curious about the context and what a release is fixing that doesn't work today | 22:12 |
| notmyname | dukhlov: like, I know you're not going to nova to ask for a release, because the next nova release is scheduled for about 6 months from now | 22:12 |
| mattoliverau | dukhlov: or are you asking for a backport or something? | 22:14 |
| notmyname | ah. maybe that's it | 22:14 |
| dukhlov | notmyname: no, I need only swift release. It is because new oslo.messaging pika driver uses select call that should be patched it thread is patched. | 22:15 |
| dukhlov | not it is only for master | 22:15 |
| dukhlov | nothing to back port | 22:15 |
| notmyname | is this for some openstack gate checking, or is this for a product you're developing/distributing? | 22:16 |
| clayg | notmyname: I've been so looking forward to getting to use this! https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NVuL7mLqT6g/maxresdefault.jpg | 22:16 |
| dukhlov | okhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/310664/ | 22:17 |
| patchbot | dukhlov: patch 310664 - oslo.messaging - Implements configurable connection factory | 22:17 |
| dukhlov | it is for this patch | 22:17 |
| dukhlov | as you can see neutron and ceilometer job for pika driver are red | 22:18 |
| dukhlov | it is because they use swift and swift hangs there with pika oslo messaging driver | 22:18 |
| notmyname | dukhlov: so the way the gate works, AFAIK, is that your patch to master will be tested against other projects' master branch. swift's master branch includes the patch you are looking for, so how does a release fix these tests? | 22:19 |
| notmyname | clarkb: ^ is that right? | 22:19 |
| dukhlov | no, it depends on gate job configuration | 22:20 |
| dukhlov | but default it uses packages from pypi for dependencies and current branch for project to be tested | 22:21 |
| dukhlov | and this is oslo case | 22:21 |
| dukhlov | some jobs could set LIB_FROM_GIT variable and specify libs to be installed from git | 22:22 |
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| dukhlov | as far as I know:) | 22:23 |
| clarkb | notmyname: yes thats basically it | 22:25 |
| clarkb | but some projects are installed from packages like libs | 22:26 |
| clarkb | ideally oslo wouldnt release such changes without at least signalling the backward incompatibility | 22:29 |
| clarkb | and even more ideally maintain backward compat | 22:29 |
| dukhlov | notmyname: hm probably you are right, I have taken a look at pip freeze and it seems that swift is installed from git | 22:30 |
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| notmyname | ah, interesting | 22:30 |
| notmyname | dukhlov: so looking at the failing tests on that patch, most seem inscrutable, but one looks like it's some missing command that's failing | 22:31 |
| notmyname | http://logs.openstack.org/64/310664/6/check/gate-oslo.messaging-telemetry-dsvm-integration-zmq/9fbbc10/console.html.gz#_2016-04-29_01_06_59_609 | 22:31 |
| dukhlov | notmyname: hold on with releasing and will check what is going on an come back if I need release indeed:) | 22:31 |
| clarkb | swift is not a lib so swift should be from source | 22:32 |
| clarkb | basically the distinction is service vs library | 22:33 |
| dukhlov | notmyname: no, it is zmq job, it is ok that is red, I need to make pika jobs green | 22:33 |
| torgomatic | I don't know what gabbi is but now I want some gabbits around the office | 22:33 |
| torgomatic | they sound fluffy | 22:33 |
| dukhlov | clarkb: right | 22:33 |
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| zaitcev | Nova does not appear to patch eventlet at all. | 22:55 |
| zaitcev | Does not call patcher. | 22:55 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: patch eventlet? or use eventlet to patch stdlib? | 22:56 |
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| notmyname | my favorite sentence I wrote today: "The swift-specs repo has become a wasteland of partial ideas where hope goes to die." | 23:07 |
| clayg | notmyname: heh, did you send that one too? | 23:08 |
| notmyname | clayg: nah, I'm redoing the specs-ectomy email (in the etherpad) | 23:08 |
| notmyname | but yeah, I'm going to send it :-) | 23:08 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: lol | 23:09 |
| notmyname | clayg: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ZHWszY0GuN start below the ---- | 23:09 |
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| clayg | notmyname: awesome | 23:11 |
| notmyname | I like this version a lot better. I'll move over the current specs stuff to new wiki pages, and then i'll send this email | 23:16 |
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