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| openstackgerrit | Elancheran S proposed openstack/nova stable/pike: Add apply_cells to nova-manage https://review.openstack.org/599050 | 01:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | fupingxie proposed openstack/nova master: Add an example to add more pci devices in nova.conf https://review.openstack.org/592243 | 01:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add live-migration-force-after-timeout-stein spec https://review.openstack.org/600608 | 02:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Spec to add per instance timeout for LM - Stein https://review.openstack.org/600613 | 02:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova stable/rocky: Fix a failure to format config sample https://review.openstack.org/600336 | 03:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Detach and attach boot volumes - Stein https://review.openstack.org/600628 | 03:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Brin Zhang proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Resource retrieving: add changes-before filter https://review.openstack.org/591976 | 03:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Fix TypeError in nova-manage cell_v2 list_cells https://review.openstack.org/599861 | 05:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | fupingxie proposed openstack/nova master: Add an example to add more pci devices in nova.conf https://review.openstack.org/592243 | 05:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Detach and attach boot volumes - Stein https://review.openstack.org/600628 | 06:26 |
| openstackgerrit | fupingxie proposed openstack/nova master: Delete allocations for instances that have been moved to another node https://review.openstack.org/582899 | 06:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add live-migration-force-after-timeout-stein spec https://review.openstack.org/600608 | 06:43 |
| openstackgerrit | fupingxie proposed openstack/nova master: Delete allocations for instances that have been moved to another node https://review.openstack.org/582899 | 06:44 |
| openstackgerrit | fupingxie proposed openstack/nova master: Delete allocations for instances that is not in this node https://review.openstack.org/582899 | 06:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhenyu Zheng proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Spec to add per instance timeout for LM - Stein https://review.openstack.org/600613 | 06:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Radoslav Gerganov proposed openstack/nova master: Do not dump all instances in the scheduler https://review.openstack.org/598611 | 07:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Radoslav Gerganov proposed openstack/nova master: Do not dump all instances in the scheduler https://review.openstack.org/598611 | 07:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Chen proposed openstack/nova master: doc: update info for hypervisors https://review.openstack.org/599554 | 07:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Chen proposed openstack/nova master: doc: update info for hypervisors https://review.openstack.org/599554 | 07:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Yikun Jiang (Kero) proposed openstack/nova master: Update launch-from-volume doc to latest version. https://review.openstack.org/572241 | 08:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Yikun Jiang (Kero) proposed openstack/placement master: Refresh maximum version info in rest history doc https://review.openstack.org/600672 | 08:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Silvan Kaiser proposed openstack/nova master: Added mount fstype based validation of Quobyte mounts https://review.openstack.org/522245 | 09:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Chen proposed openstack/nova master: Use six.string_types to improve python2/3 compatibility https://review.openstack.org/600677 | 09:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova master: DNM: Use claim context during live migration https://review.openstack.org/576222 | 10:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/nova master: Merge security groups extension response into server view builder https://review.openstack.org/585475 | 10:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Update volume-attachment API url in policies https://review.openstack.org/596726 | 11:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Docs: update link for remote debugging https://review.openstack.org/591316 | 11:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Add encrypted volume support to feature matrix docs https://review.openstack.org/570255 | 11:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: fup: Fix import order and test nit https://review.openstack.org/600474 | 11:16 |
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| efried | ō/ | 12:14 |
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| fried_rice | cdent: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1936,members | 12:18 |
| cdent | huzzah, thanks | 12:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Konstantinos Samaras-Tsakiris proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Modelling passthrough devices for report to placement https://review.openstack.org/591037 | 12:36 |
| edleafe | huzzah to cdent! | 12:42 |
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| cdent | I guess I better merge something | 12:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Radoslav Gerganov proposed openstack/nova master: Do not dump all instances in the scheduler https://review.openstack.org/598611 | 12:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/placement master: Fix aesthetic issues from I4974a28de541aace043504f https://review.openstack.org/599846 | 13:00 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/placement master: Rename PlacementPolicyFixture to PolicyFixture https://review.openstack.org/600326 | 13:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/placement master: Unify utils.py and util.py https://review.openstack.org/600353 | 13:03 |
| edleafe | cdent: fried_rice: I have to take my car in for service, and will have unknown connectivity for the next few hours. | 13:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova master: Configure placement DB context manager for nova-manage/status https://review.openstack.org/599744 | 13:15 |
| cdent | edleafe: noted. If Im gone by the time you're back see you in Denver. | 13:23 |
| cdent | It's gonna be a damn shame if/when we decide to add integration/tempest tests to the placement's gate. Right now no single job takes more than 5 minutes. | 13:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Ghanshyam Mann proposed openstack/nova master: Merge extended_status extension response into server view builder https://review.openstack.org/592092 | 13:34 |
| dansmith | fried_rice: on the placement nova.conf patch thing, | 13:41 |
| * fried_rice listens | 13:42 | |
| dansmith | fried_rice: it seems like you've just completely papered over my opinion on the thing and said that jaypipes' concern is the only one we need to address or something | 13:42 |
| dansmith | is that the intent? I haven't seen anyone address my concerns of pointing placement, with its own schema (which happens to be identical to nova-api today) at a database with a different schema | 13:43 |
| fried_rice | dansmith: I may have misread the wall-o-comments, but I *thought* you had voiced in favor of the try-placement.conf-then-nova.conf-with-warning | 13:43 |
| fried_rice | dansmith: I wasn't intending to dismiss that at all. | 13:43 |
| fried_rice | apologies if it came across that way | 13:43 |
| dansmith | no, I said I think we shouldn't, | 13:43 |
| dansmith | but if we do we should log holy hell about it | 13:44 |
| fried_rice | I was saying, we should do that --^ now, because it would be easy to miss later, and then discuss the full strategy in a different and more durable forum. | 13:44 |
| dansmith | however, I'm reading the comments in the review instead of in my gerrit notifications | 13:44 |
| dansmith | and noticing that those comments came in while I was writing mine | 13:44 |
| dansmith | but seemed like after based on when I read the gerrit mails | 13:44 |
| fried_rice | oh, okay. Yes, I noticed you had come in after with some other words, but haven't gotten back to it yet since then. | 13:45 |
| fried_rice | I have been really buried the last couple of days, and it's only getting worse | 13:45 |
| dansmith | combining your comments with mnaser's seeming agreement that we should just read nova.conf I guess it sounded like it was just decided | 13:45 |
| fried_rice | Well, my review (like any review) was expressing an opinion. | 13:45 |
| fried_rice | I don't know that anything has been decided. | 13:46 |
| dansmith | is your point that we should only look at placement.conf in this change, and then propose the "or nova" behavior in a second one we can all argue about? | 13:46 |
| fried_rice | My point was: My preference is to do the try-placement.conf-then-nova.conf-with-warning thing via this patch, or this plus a followon to be merged together; and move the discussion about the other gory aspects of upgrade to a spec. | 13:47 |
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| dansmith | bummer | 13:48 |
| fried_rice | If I misunderstood your commentary and you're truly opposed to the conf cascade idea, I apologize, but only for lumping you in with "everyone" when I said everyone had acked that idea. | 13:48 |
| fried_rice | Did I at least get it right that everyone *else* had acked that idea? Maybe I was out of my head more than I thought yesterday. | 13:49 |
| dansmith | I don't think cdent did | 13:51 |
| * cdent is still kind of in love with the idea of two different wsgi apps: one that uses the nova conf and one that uses the placement conf. Choose a different app to get a different conf. | 13:51 | |
| dansmith | cdent: I think that's a backwards way into the thing I'm concerned about, | 13:51 |
| cdent | yeah, understood | 13:51 |
| dansmith | which is operators treating the schemas as if they're the same | 13:51 |
| leakypipes | I share dansmith's general concern about the conf stuff w.r.t the DB. My primary concern is the situation where due to not finding a conf file the placement service loads default values and the deployer has no idea that happened. | 13:51 |
| cdent | and given that, I think the right thing is for the wsgi app to do one thing | 13:52 |
| dansmith | leakypipes: it's not going to load the database connection value properly, so what would that hurt? | 13:52 |
| dansmith | it'd fail to start and then they'd finish reading the docs? | 13:52 |
| cdent | yeah, I think what we want is something that fails early rather than guessing | 13:52 |
| dansmith | right, so that's why I say do a hard cutover | 13:53 |
| * cdent marks the calendar | 13:53 | |
| dansmith | if you guys need to make a schema change before the end of stein, this is all moot anyway | 13:53 |
| cdent | aw, c'mon dansmith "us guys" includes you | 13:53 |
| dansmith | cdent: sorry, I meant "placement" :) | 13:53 |
| leakypipes | dansmith: the default database connection is a sqlite file DB: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/conf/database.py#L21 | 13:54 |
| dansmith | leakypipes: ah, so that's your concern yeah? | 13:54 |
| leakypipes | dansmith: which would get auto-created | 13:54 |
| dansmith | that's the same for all the services, right? | 13:54 |
| leakypipes | dansmith: and the deployer would sit there and say "oh, why does my placement service no longer have any data in it"? | 13:54 |
| dansmith | I know because my glance uses sqlite :P | 13:54 |
| dansmith | leakypipes: okay, fair enough, but can we please address that somehow other than munging the schema problem into it? | 13:55 |
| leakypipes | dansmith: I don't know... I'm just trying to prevent situations where default conf values cause confusion during an upgrade. | 13:55 |
| leakypipes | dansmith: I'm definitely not trying to munge the two issues together. :( | 13:55 |
| fried_rice | recognizing that there's more to this, doesn't the "conf cascade" address jay's main concern (unexpectedly empty/default values)? | 13:57 |
| dansmith | leakypipes: so, what if we refuse to start if there's no placement config, and if they create one and don't set connection= then we assume that's what they want, maybe with a warning? | 13:57 |
| dansmith | fried_rice: it does, but it triggers mine | 13:57 |
| dansmith | despite me thinking it's very wrong | 13:57 |
| dansmith | in general | 13:57 |
| fried_rice | okay. | 13:57 |
| fried_rice | just making sure I understand some part of this discussion | 13:57 |
| dansmith | I have to jump on my least favorite call of the week in a few | 13:58 |
| dansmith | can we hangout this in an hour? | 13:58 |
| cdent | wfm, gives me a good window to pack | 13:59 |
| dansmith | I don't want to block us merging this patch, but I'd prefer either we leave out the cascade for the moment or just hash it out in an hour and find some solution | 13:59 |
| dansmith | prefer the latter | 13:59 |
| dansmith | Also, mriedem's email to the list makes it sound like the cascade would be a way to avoid having to do some grenade work, which is not the right approach, IMHO | 14:00 |
| dansmith | and I'm willing to do the right grenade work to do the proper upgrade | 14:00 |
| mriedem | tbc, | 14:01 |
| mriedem | i was trying to summarize options from discussion yesterday for others - mostly ops and deployment project people | 14:01 |
| mriedem | not saying, "this is what we decided" | 14:01 |
| mriedem | b/c i don't think we should really do this in a vacuum since it's a big change | 14:02 |
| mriedem | we can say, "this is what we think we should do and why" | 14:02 |
| mriedem | but we should have some ack from ops | 14:02 |
| mriedem | IMO of course | 14:02 |
| dansmith | well, I'm worried that operators will opt for the most automatic thing, despite it being known problematic | 14:02 |
| mriedem | that's where the "this is why" comes in | 14:02 |
| leakypipes | dansmith: you prefer a hard failure to happen during "build" time, ok. that's probably the safest option. I just brought up my concerns because we've always been so obsessed with not breaking folks during an upgrade process. sorry for adding noise to the conversation. :( | 14:04 |
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| dansmith | leakypipes: yeah, but we've already thrown that out the window because we're not going to have an overlap period | 14:05 |
| dansmith | so they have to install a new package, set up a new service, and all the things that come with it | 14:05 |
| dansmith | believe me, I'm sad we're not providing the overlap behavior, but alas | 14:05 |
| leakypipes | dansmith: oh, sorry, I didn't realize there was no overlap period. if I had realized that, I would not have pushed for this :( | 14:05 |
| dansmith | leakypipes: AFAIK, the plan is to have placement not runnable from the nova tree in the stein release | 14:06 |
| mriedem | dansmith: you should also reply in the ML thread, but maybe you're waiting until after we hash this out in an hour? | 14:06 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: I've got a reply started | 14:07 |
| mriedem | mnaser expects this to be like standard config option deprecation handling, which you're asserting we aren't/can't | 14:07 |
| mriedem | well, s/can't/shouldn't/ | 14:07 |
| dansmith | right | 14:07 |
| mriedem | so we should be clear to him/other ops about why | 14:07 |
| dansmith | I thought I was clear in the review, but he didn't seem to even acknowledge it | 14:08 |
| mriedem | might have just glossed over it, idk | 14:08 |
| mriedem | i'm sure he's busy | 14:08 |
| mriedem | i've added this as an item to the ops meetup and upgrade sig etherpads for the ptg | 14:29 |
| mriedem | upgrades sig is monday afternoon, ops meetup is all day tuesday | 14:29 |
| dansmith | I guess I'm being an asshole, | 14:30 |
| dansmith | but I don't really understand why the ops opinion on whether or not we should do a broken thing matters | 14:31 |
| dansmith | if the point is to determine how freaked out they are about this in order to inform us doing _different_ things entirely, then that's fine | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | i want any input from ops | 14:33 |
| mriedem | since they have to deal with this upgrade, not me | 14:33 |
| mriedem | i fully realize they could say, "write a magical easy button that makes this all go away" which isn't an option | 14:33 |
| mriedem | if the majority of ops said you shouldn't extract this way and instead cutover in T, then that's something else we'd want to know - but would obviously throw a big wrench into the works | 14:35 |
| dansmith | ack | 14:36 |
| mriedem | btw, did you get the many pings about grenade not even working properly in stein yet? | 14:36 |
| mriedem | i mean, it doesn't fail, but it doesn't work | 14:37 |
| mriedem | until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/591594/ merges anyway | 14:37 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: no | 14:40 |
| dansmith | I'm off my call, are we going to have a hangout now? | 14:40 |
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| dansmith | leakypipes: fried_rice cdent mriedem ^ | 14:41 |
| fried_rice | I'm available | 14:42 |
| cdent | I can if we want. someone make a shout if/when | 14:42 |
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| edleafe | I'm back too | 14:42 |
| dansmith | https://hangouts.google.com/call/LCkw2qSKsdXz_tzCaZg3AAEE | 14:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Artom Lifshitz proposed openstack/nova-specs master: WIP: Re-propose numa-aware-live-migration spec https://review.openstack.org/599587 | 14:44 |
| dansmith | cdent: leakypipes: waiting on you | 14:44 |
| cdent | one sec | 14:45 |
| dansmith | leakypipes: cdent it's awkward staring at these guys | 14:45 |
| dansmith | hurry up | 14:46 |
| edleafe | You'd rather stare at them? | 14:46 |
| mriedem | does my mic work? | 14:46 |
| mriedem | go ahead and start | 14:47 |
| cdent | so much for packing | 15:16 |
| cdent | naked PTG | 15:16 |
| mriedem | i'm sure the airport sells clothes | 15:17 |
| mriedem | rugged rocky mountain gear | 15:17 |
| mriedem | and i have a working mic now | 15:20 |
| mriedem | anyone want to hangout again? | 15:20 |
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| fried_rice | heh | 15:22 |
| mriedem | dansmith: congratulations, you've sold mnaser | 15:28 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: mriedem \o/ | 15:33 |
| dansmith | mriedem: that grenade target thing needs to happen every release, and I think sean just used to keep track of it | 15:41 |
| mriedem | i know; gmann had the patch up, but was failing due to some breakages in osc based on changes in glance/cinder at the end of rocky | 15:45 |
| mriedem | and then gmann was out so i think it was forgotten | 15:45 |
| mriedem | gmann actually did a lot of heavy lifting on unf'ing that for the community | 15:45 |
| dansmith | okay | 15:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Resource retrieving: add changes-before filter https://review.openstack.org/591976 | 16:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-specs master: Resource retrieving: add changes-before filter https://review.openstack.org/591976 | 18:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Add live-migration-force-after-timeout-stein spec https://review.openstack.org/600608 | 18:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Fix formatting in changes-since guide https://review.openstack.org/600150 | 18:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/placement master: Rename files to remove 'placement' https://review.openstack.org/600506 | 19:26 |
| openstackgerrit | David Bingham proposed openstack/nova stable/pike: Add apply_cells to nova-manage https://review.openstack.org/599050 | 19:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova-specs master: Spec to add per instance timeout for LM - Stein https://review.openstack.org/600613 | 19:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/nova master: Add an example to add more pci devices in nova.conf https://review.openstack.org/592243 | 20:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/placement master: Rename files to remove 'placement' https://review.openstack.org/600506 | 20:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Ed Leafe proposed openstack/placement master: Remove old pathing references from the docs https://review.openstack.org/600857 | 20:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/placement master: De-nova-ify and reformat contributor guide https://review.openstack.org/599864 | 20:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/placement master: Name arguments to _get_provider_ids_matching https://review.openstack.org/600858 | 20:15 |
| mriedem | fried_rice: there are some broken links in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/600268/ - do we care about those now or follow ups? | 20:24 |
| fried_rice | mriedem: Definitely definitely don't care about them now. Per commit message, the intent was *just* to get it passing the build; much to fix up later. | 20:24 |
| fried_rice | content-wise | 20:24 |
| mriedem | ok | 20:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/placement master: Add api-ref job https://review.openstack.org/599524 | 20:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/placement master: Make docs build https://review.openstack.org/600268 | 20:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/placement master: Use templates in .zuul.yaml https://review.openstack.org/600459 | 20:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/placement master: Add lower-constraints job https://review.openstack.org/600460 | 20:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/nova master: Update docs for live_migration_progress_timeout option https://review.openstack.org/600864 | 20:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/os-traits stable/rocky: Update .gitreview for stable/rocky https://review.openstack.org/586101 | 21:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/os-traits stable/rocky: Update UPPER_CONSTRAINTS_FILE for stable/rocky https://review.openstack.org/586102 | 21:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eric Fried proposed openstack/placement master: Remove redundant reference to nova ConfFixture https://review.openstack.org/600873 | 21:52 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/nova-specs master: Network bandwidth resource provider https://review.openstack.org/595243 | 23:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Jonte Watford proposed openstack/nova master: Modified version of 0027-Numa-object-string-representations.patch with some updates from the current numa files for nova: numa.py instance_numa_topology.py https://review.openstack.org/600269 | 23:40 |
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