Wednesday, 2016-04-06

boris-42harlowja: we have some bad bug in rally (if <0.8.4 is installed)00:00
boris-42harlowja: and in gates we have always 0.8.500:00
boris-42harlowja: so we even didn't see it00:00
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harlowjaboris-42 i don't think i can do much on requirements repo :-P00:01
harlowjabesides say 'sure' +100:01
harlowjalol00:01
harlowjai'm powerless00:01
boris-42harlowja: you don't have +2power?)00:01
harlowjano00:01
harlowjalol00:01
harlowjadims dhellmann i think do00:01
harlowjai'm just a meer lower-class person00:02
harlowjaworking in the coal mines00:02
harlowjalol00:02
harlowjalifeless might be able to boris-4200:04
boris-42harlowja: =)00:04
dimsboris-42 : harlowja : easy to look up who to hassle https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/131,members00:05
dims:)00:05
harlowjaya00:05
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boris-42dims: I hope infra guys will help to get this in00:06
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dimsboris-42 : i'd give it a few days :)00:06
dimseveryone's a bit tied up, dhellmann is travelling, thierry is coralling folks to release etc...00:07
harlowjai'm in a coal mine00:08
harlowjalol00:08
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lifelesslooking00:30
lifelessits already +A00:31
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lifelessboris-42: ^00:31
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boris-42lifeless: thanks03:10
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openstackgerritMehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: wip: tests: rabbitmq failover test  https://review.openstack.org/30177106:19
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openstackgerritSachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: DNM: Attempt to fix pypy  https://review.openstack.org/30204506:27
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openstackgerritOmer Anson proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Use testrepository's get_base method to decide if test repository exists.  https://review.openstack.org/30206607:30
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: npm lint jobs are failing due to a problem with npm registry. The problem is under investigation, and we will update once the issue is solved.10:18
*** ChanServ changes topic to "npm lint jobs are failing due to a problem with npm registry. The problem is under investigation, and we will update once the issue is solved."10:18
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dukhlovsilent: hi10:34
dukhlovsilent: I have answered to your comment for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300727/10:35
patchbotdukhlov: patch 300727 - oslo.messaging - Refactor driver's listener interface10:35
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dukhlovsilent: could you review it again or share your thoughts here?10:36
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openstackgerritOleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/devstack-plugin-zmq: Support ROUTER proxy for zmq  https://review.openstack.org/29827412:03
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silehtdukhlov: I was already ok, I have just changed my +1 in +212:15
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openstackgerritOleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/devstack-plugin-zmq: Support ROUTER proxy for zmq  https://review.openstack.org/29827412:36
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openstackgerritIlya Shakhat proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Simulator: handle SIGINT and SIGTERM signals  https://review.openstack.org/30223012:51
openstackgerritIlya Shakhat proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: [WIP] Simulator: support of threading executor  https://review.openstack.org/30223112:51
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openstackgerritOleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/devstack-plugin-zmq: Support ROUTER proxy for zmq  https://review.openstack.org/29827413:14
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/taskflow: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/30202313:31
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.db: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/30201713:42
openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.messaging: Refactor driver's listener interface  https://review.openstack.org/30072713:42
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ozamiatindims: hi14:19
dimshey oleksii14:19
ozamiatindims: need your help if you get some time14:19
dimsozamiatin : what's up?14:19
ozamiatini get this error on gate job http://logs.openstack.org/74/298274/6/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full-zmq/8f00574/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2016-04-06_13_56_45_96714:20
ozamiatinwhile locally i don't have it14:20
ozamiatinseems like versions mismatch?14:20
openstackgerritYulia Portnova proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Amqp driver send method  change  https://review.openstack.org/30228114:22
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dimsozamiatin : pip freeze shows the right SHA? http://logs.openstack.org/74/298274/6/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full-zmq/8f00574/logs/pip-freeze.txt.gz14:24
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ozamiatindims: yes ee394d3 is correct14:27
dimsozamiatin : so looks like we have n-net in http://logs.openstack.org/74/298274/6/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full-zmq/8f00574/logs/localrc.txt.gz14:27
dimsand somehow neutron is enabled too14:28
ozamiatindims: yeah, thats strange14:29
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ozamiatindims: but actually i don't see any of q-services there14:31
ski2dhellmann: hey doug, i've submitted 4 blueprints based on a cross project spec we're working on, would the monday oslo meeting be the place to discuss those?14:31
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dimsozamiatin : see use_neutron = True in nova.conf14:36
ozamiatindims: ah, i see14:37
dimsski2 : dhellmann is travelling, but yes, that's a good time to talk to folks14:37
ski2dims: perfect ty, i'll be there14:37
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dimsozamiatin : smells like a recent devstack change, can you please chase it?14:45
ozamiatindims: ok, i'll try14:46
dimsozamiatin http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=use_neutron&i=nope&files=&repos=devstack14:46
dimsozamiatin : y, ping me back if you are stuck14:47
ozamiatindims: ok, thank you!14:47
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openstackgerritOleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/devstack-plugin-zmq: Support ROUTER proxy for zmq  https://review.openstack.org/29827414:50
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openstackgerritOleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/devstack-plugin-zmq: wip: Support ROUTER proxy for zmq  https://review.openstack.org/29827414:53
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dansmithdims: can haz +A? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287106/15:11
patchbotdansmith: patch 287106 - oslo.versionedobjects - Add BaseEnumField valid_values introspection15:11
dansmithpatchbot: not very helpful15:11
dimsdansmith : ack give me few mins15:11
dansmithdims: I demand immediate attention! (of course, just a ping)15:11
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dims:) dansmith15:15
dimsi had one question on mutability and that's already addressed :)15:15
dimshad to scan comments15:15
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Add BaseEnumField valid_values introspection  https://review.openstack.org/28710616:08
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openstackgerritOleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Check devstack gate zmq  https://review.openstack.org/22977916:15
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openstackgerritDmitry Mescheryakov (dmitryme) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Fix oslo.messaging for Mac OS X  https://review.openstack.org/30234916:28
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amrithhello folks, I have a question from someone asking about oslo's storage of rabbitmq password, and whether there's a way in which to store the password in a config file in encrypted form. Apparently some services do this, is it true, any pointers on how?16:57
amriththe best I can find is that rabbit_password is a simple StrOpt16:58
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browneamrith: there is no encryption of passwords in conf files.  but this issue has been brought up many times before (few bugs/blueprints out there).  i've also been meaning to propose a change that would allow this17:02
amriththanks browne ... I figured that the password (even if it was encrypted) would have to use some reversible cipher. and opensource + reversible makes "encryption" hard :)17:03
brownethe problem is where you store the key17:03
amrithI wasn't concerned about the 'on the wire' thing as much as the 'at rest' part.17:04
browneif its stored locally, many believe this is just as bad as having clear-text passwords17:04
amriththat the URL includes the password is another risk :)17:04
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.messaging: Fix oslo.messaging for Mac OS X  https://review.openstack.org/30234920:59
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harlowjadims let me know if u find much out about http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091580.html21:11
harlowjai'm intrigued21:11
dimsharlowja : of course21:11
dimsharlowja : i just enrolled in the sig-openstack thingy https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/wiki/Special-Interest-Groups-(SIGs)21:12
harlowjaintersting21:12
harlowjaran by guy from google21:13
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harlowja*the meeting for openstack21:13
harlowjathis area confuses me, lol21:13
harlowjathe whole area, ha21:13
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harlowjadims  i don't get the desire to have kubernetes ontop of openstack21:16
harlowjaand just opened https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wNl_xcITKwzUsFNRu5npUTJuh9pbJAdzzpG6Cd2Fcp0/edit?ts=5703f8ac21:16
harlowjanot the kind of integration i want/envision ...21:16
harlowjawhy not have kubernetes be closer to openstack (make it pluggable to do this, i don't care)21:17
harlowjathen it can be used with openstack, not ontop of21:18
dimsharlowja : one more https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iAQ3LSF_Ky6uZdFtEZPD_8i6HXeFxIeW4XtGcUJtPyU/edit21:18
harlowja'You need permission' :-/21:18
harlowjai no permissioned21:19
dimsy just ask for it21:19
harlowjak21:19
harlowjai gotta get to the bottom of why this kind of integration is desired21:19
harlowjaimho i don't want it to end-state at that21:19
dimsinteresting stuff like this one https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/pull/2173721:19
dimsfolks seem to talk both about both OpenStack on K8S and K8S on OpenStack21:20
harlowjahow about K8S interoping with openstack21:21
harlowjainstead of on each other21:21
harlowjalol21:21
dimsgus : i saw you at the meeting yesterday...what is your feeling about what they are doing there?21:21
harlowjai don't like the on each other approach to much21:21
harlowjait feels wrong, lol21:21
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dimsharlowja : here's another one (not openstack!) kubernetes-mesos https://github.com/mesosphere/kubernetes-mesos/tree/master/images/dcos21:23
harlowjai want my mommy21:23
harlowjalol21:23
dimsif you see interesting stuff, drop 'em my way21:23
dimsLOL21:23
harlowjadims u getting involved in this stuff at mirantis it seems :-P21:23
harlowjaas i am somewhat here, ha21:23
harlowjathe space is all over the place :-P21:23
harlowjait starts to feel very much like wild-west-coe-time21:24
harlowja:)21:24
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dimsharlowja : nope, i am not involved. just watching things float by21:30
harlowjak21:30
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gusdims: I wrote the openstack "provider plugin" for kubernetes a while back and messed around with deploying openstack-on-kubernetes before kolla was a thing, so yes I know a bit about how all these parts might interact ;)22:52
gus(bitrotted experiments: https://github.com/anguslees/kube-openstack)22:52
gusThe meeting yesterday was the second(?) kubernetes VC meeting dedicated to how they might better interact with kubernetes.22:53
gusSo it's a bit like our magnum project, but this is the group from k8s thinking about integration.22:53
dimsah thanks gus22:53
gus(supposedly - I saw a lot of familiar openstack people there :P )22:54
gusk8s has various hooks into the underlying infrastructure, so it can point loadbalancers at running container instances, attach remote storage to containers, etc.22:55
harlowjagus intersting22:55
gusSo it has a bunch of code that is openstack-specific (alongside gce, aws, etc versions too)22:55
harlowjaya, the overlap is ummm, intersting22:55
harlowjai would like something 'integrated'22:56
harlowjanot ontop-of-each-other<or other>22:56
gusharlowja: the underlying problem (I think) is that people don't actually *want* VMs.22:56
harlowjaya, that's fine22:56
gusYou give someone a VM, and they're roughly still back where they started from - they still have to manage an OS and their actual payload,e tc.22:56
harlowjaironic?22:56
gusso there will always be a big gap between what openstack has provided (so far) and what people actually need.22:57
gusthe various COEs are one attempt to fill that gap - but in a lot of ways puppet/chef/ansible/etc are that too from a different direction.22:57
harlowjaya, the so far hopefully shrinks to not so far22:57
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gusso don't be surprised to see more things in this space, is I think what I'm saying ;)22:58
harlowjayes, i'm awaiting said things22:58
harlowjalol22:58
harlowjawhatever they may be :-P22:58
gusk8s on openstack actually makes a lot of sense imo22:58
gusk8s (currently) is single tenant, and deals with a high-ish abstraction.22:59
harlowjawhy not k8s integrated with openstack in various ways22:59
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harlowjareduce some of the overlap22:59
harlowjadoesn't have to be a forced integration, make it optional, idk22:59
gusIf you want to provide that on a multitenant cloud, then openstack does quite a good job of compensating for those missing bits in k8s.22:59
gusharlowja: what overlap do you see?22:59
harlowjaso would k8s and keystone need to interconnect better?23:00
gusas I see it, k8s brings a cheaper "application-oriented" configuration, health checking, active management of jobs.23:00
gusand openstack brings isolation, a portable abstraction, and actual compute resources.23:00
dimsgus : didn't see a lot of love there for magnum23:01
gusharlowja: not as long as k8s stays single-tenant - since the keystone auth is then implied.23:01
gusdims: this was a k8s-pov group, so magnum is a bit "meh".23:02
harlowjaright, single-tenant sorta == sad23:02
harlowjawhy not actually use keystone (?)23:02
gusfrom a k8s-only pov, all of the k8s deployment methods work, and are similar or simpler than deploying magnum just to deploy k8s.23:03
gusharlowja: I think that's mischaracterising it a lot.23:03
harlowjahow so?23:04
gus1. k8s works on many more platforms than just openstack, so assuming keystone isn't useful.23:04
harlowjathat's ok23:04
harlowjadon't assume, make it work via a pluggable blah blah23:04
gus2. k8s is container-based, so isolation is an issue - and isn't solved by just user authentication at the API level.23:04
gus3. keystone isn't that good.  The keys that get passed around are large, need validation through a central authority, aren't able to be stored in tpm secure-storage, etc, etc.23:05
harlowjawe can make keystone better?23:05
gus(isn't that good for k8s' use case)23:05
gusharlowja: sure - or they could just not use keystone.23:05
harlowjaright, that's always an answer, disjoint communities ;-/23:06
harlowja:-/23:06
harlowjaand maybe that's how it will be, idk23:06
harlowjabut that sorta seems sad23:06
guspartly - but also API authentication is the easy part of everything they (and us) have to solve.23:06
dimsgus : so what seems to be of interest is the baremetal stuff from nova/ironic and the plethora of networking we can bring to the table. is this right?23:07
gusfrom the k8s-on-openstack pov yes.23:07
dimscool. just trying to guage23:07
gusFrom my selfish view (which I think I raised in that meeting) is that the openstack cloud-provider plugin has no integration testing atm - so given that we're the ~only platform that is open source we *should* be spinning up integration tests somehow.23:08
gusthe other side is openstack-on-k8s - which is a completely different thing.23:08
gus(and we didn't cover much during that meeting - but for example there's an ops session on each at Austin)23:09
* harlowja looking forward to some of these sessions :-P23:09
dimsgus, yes of course. that's what the mirantis folks on the call are shooting for23:09
gusoh look, I gave a talk on that a long time ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYxvdkOZqBU23:10
gus </shameless-plug>23:10
dimshaha23:10
harlowjalol23:10
dimsthanks. will line that up23:10
gusthe kolla folks (and some others) have gotten a lot further than when I was messing around with it.23:11
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harlowjaoh hey its angus on video23:11
harlowja:)23:11
gussee also kolla-mesos, which has similar goals, but using marathon/mesos rather than k8s.23:11
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harlowjaright, i somewhat feel that the kolla like stuff is sorta limited to a small set of people that would be interested in it23:13
gus(I also messed around with openstack-on-marathon a bit before kolla-mesos existed :)23:13
harlowjabecause how many people really want to deploy openstack :-P23:13
harlowjapeople/companies, ha23:13
gusWhat will be *really* interesting, and I only have the barest code towards supporting, is openstack-as-a-mesos-framework.23:13
harlowjanot tiny-bob-from-idaho-who-owns-shop-X23:13
harlowjataskflow :-P23:13
harlowjataskflow as a mesos replacement23:13
harlowjalol23:13
gusThere's just so much work to be done to put make the building blocks right :/23:15
gusI accidentally reimplemented coreos over the last few weekends, so I could run it on my "cluster" of cheap arm devices :/  https://gitlab.com/anguslees/containos23:15
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harlowjalol23:15
harlowjai cut some boards over the last weekend23:16
harlowjafor some shelves23:16
harlowjalol23:16
gusyeah, I don't actually do anything *useful*.23:16
dimslol23:17
harlowjaya, just put some offers into taskflow jobs23:18
harlowjaand there u go, mesos, lol23:18
harlowjamesosflow23:18
dimsh/t to gus! way better use of weekend than mine23:19
gusyou should actually try mesos - it's not a taskflow system ;)23:19
harlowja:)23:19
harlowjai only know projects that start with 't'23:19
gusharlowja: for one thing, it can't do one step followed by another ;)23:19
harlowjalol23:19
dimstalk to you all in a bit.23:19
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harlowjagus yes, i need to stop doing stuff on condo (soon) then i'll get around to the mesos-weekend :-P23:20
gus(condo?)23:22
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harlowjacondominium23:27
harlowjamaybe abbrev. a US thing :-P23:27
gusoh, an actual condo.23:28
harlowjaya23:28
gusI was thinking this was some other oslo/openstack project I hadn't heard of yet :)23:28
harlowjawelllll now that u mention it23:30
harlowjalol23:30
harlowjaoslo/condo23:31
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harlowjaits a new project, it will build your house for u23:35
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openstackgerritSachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Fix soabi tests with pypy  https://review.openstack.org/30204523:40
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