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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Disallow dispatching to private/protected methods https://review.openstack.org/289624 | 00:04 |
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harlowja | kevinbenton ^ | 00:04 |
harlowja | sileht do u know (any idea) why ^ would be a bad idea :-P | 00:04 |
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harlowja | making https://review.openstack.org/288719 made me wonder what people could call | 00:07 |
harlowja | and it seems nearly anything, ha | 00:07 |
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openstackgerrit | Sachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: WIP: Do not silently drop markers that fail to evaluate https://review.openstack.org/289628 | 00:18 |
openstackgerrit | James Polley proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Clarifications around tags and version numbers https://review.openstack.org/289630 | 00:23 |
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harlowja | kevinbenton https://aptira.com/stackbuffet/ | 00:32 |
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openstackgerrit | Sachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Do not silently drop markers that fail to evaluate https://review.openstack.org/289628 | 01:32 |
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ivar-lazzaro | Hello everyone, I'm trying to use the oslo_db MigrationManager for running alembic migrations, but when trying to test it I get the following error: 'There must be at least one plugin active.' | 02:45 |
ivar-lazzaro | I understand a plugin from the 'oslo.db.migration' namespace should be loaded, but I'm not sure where to set this configuration | 02:45 |
ivar-lazzaro | anyone can help with this? :) | 02:46 |
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openstackgerrit | Sachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Use apt-cache generated packages to provide build deps https://review.openstack.org/289689 | 03:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Sachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Do not silently drop markers that fail to evaluate https://review.openstack.org/289628 | 05:05 |
openstackgerrit | Sachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Do not silently drop markers that fail to evaluate https://review.openstack.org/289628 | 05:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Sachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Do not silently drop markers that fail to evaluate https://review.openstack.org/289628 | 05:56 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.config: Disallow config option name as same as attribute of ConfigOpts https://review.openstack.org/289752 | 07:04 |
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openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: test https://review.openstack.org/285239 | 07:39 |
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openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.config: Disallow config option name as same as attribute of ConfigOpts https://review.openstack.org/289752 | 08:44 |
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fhermeni | hi | 09:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: test https://review.openstack.org/285239 | 10:23 |
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openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.service: Offer mutate_config_files https://review.openstack.org/263312 | 11:46 |
openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.service: Make _spawn_service more flexible https://review.openstack.org/289876 | 11:46 |
openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: test https://review.openstack.org/285239 | 11:48 |
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toabctl | I recognized that i.e. oslo.cache has now some optional requirements in setup.cfg . Are theses requirements also handled with the automatic bot updates? | 12:49 |
dims | toabctl : yes, bot updates takes care of the optional requirements too | 12:51 |
toabctl | dims: cool! so what's recommended for optional requirements? setup.cfg or still requirements.txt ? | 12:52 |
dims | toabctl : i think we are using "[extras]" in setup.cfg in all oslo projects, i'll have to check | 12:52 |
dims | toabctl : oslo.messaging drops them in test-requirements.txt so i was wrong :) | 12:53 |
dims | toabctl : at least optional stuff should not be in requirements.txt :) | 12:54 |
toabctl | dims: ok. I guess when I want to have the whole list of requirements from a sdist tarball, I need to look just into egg-info/requires.txt , right? | 12:54 |
dims | toabctl : not sure i have to look at the last set of releases | 12:56 |
toabctl | dims: so what I'm looking for is a way to get all requirements (incuding the markers and optionals) | 12:57 |
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toabctl | without the need to parse requirements.txt, test-requirements.tst requirements-py27.txt and setup.cfg | 12:57 |
toabctl | and maybe others. at least in the past there were some additional requirement files somewhere in the tree (not in an oslo project) | 12:58 |
dims | looking at egg-info/requires.txt in oslo.messaging, it does not have pyngus (which is from test-requirements.txt) :( | 12:58 |
dims | toabctl : where do you need this in? | 12:59 |
toabctl | dims: for the rpm-packaging project | 12:59 |
toabctl | dims: there is already code to parse all theses different files but I wonder if there's a more easy way.. | 13:00 |
dims | understood toabctl | 13:01 |
* dims flashes the bat signal for lifeless | 13:01 | |
toabctl | hm.looks like the test-requirements.txt are not added requires.txt | 13:01 |
toabctl | lol | 13:01 |
dims | toabctl : right, we have a bunch of bots that do this code is in requirements repo and some stuff in project/system config repo too | 13:02 |
dims | let me see if there's a easy to use | 13:02 |
toabctl | dims: you don't have to. I already have code. I'm just wondering if it is really so complicated | 13:03 |
dims | toabctl : have you seen the stuff in openstack/requirements/openstack_requirements/**/*.py ? | 13:06 |
dims | toabctl : one idea if i remember right was that lifeless was planning to get that into a pypi package for easy use | 13:06 |
toabctl | not yet. I'll jhave a look | 13:06 |
dims | one consumer of that stuff is project-config/jenkins/scripts/project-requirements-change.py that's the one that proposes updates | 13:08 |
dims | toabctl ^^ | 13:08 |
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toabctl | dims: thanks! | 13:15 |
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dims | rbradfor : sdague : so i threw in some code for logging deprecations following up on discussion from yesterday - http://logs.openstack.org/01/289901/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/b7a56e7/logs/deprecations.txt.gz | 13:26 |
dims | rbradfor : we seem to be generating some weird logs from oslo.config - please see the one about "memcached_servers" and "user-name" i thought these were already fixed | 13:27 |
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openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.service: Offer mutate_config_files https://review.openstack.org/263312 | 13:53 |
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rbradfor | dims, will do. | 14:48 |
rbradfor | dims, can you point me to the gate code you added? | 14:50 |
dims | rbradfor https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289901/ | 14:51 |
patchbot | dims: patch 289901 - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Generate a log with deprecation warnings | 14:51 |
dims | thanks rbradfor | 14:51 |
rbradfor | dims, I know the line of code that throws that oslo.config message, looking up now. | 14:52 |
dims | awesome :) i'll be right back | 14:52 |
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rbradfor | dims, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289968/ | 15:22 |
patchbot | rbradfor: patch 289968 - openstack-dev/devstack - Updated deprecated keystone_authtoken options | 15:22 |
openstackgerrit | Ronald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.log: Added +2 release names for versionutils https://review.openstack.org/288754 | 15:25 |
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rbradfor | dims, when you modified devstack-gate how do you test this locally first? | 15:59 |
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jschwarz | hello - I have a question on tooz :) | 16:29 |
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jschwarz | I'm looking at the documentations and it specifies one needs to send a heartbeat every once in a while | 16:29 |
jschwarz | say I have a server which is using multiple threads, each one is an oslo.messaging RPC server | 16:29 |
jschwarz | Is there any easy way to tell oslo.messaging to also send heartbeats (or run some function of mine every once in a while)? | 16:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.vmware: Remove explicit use of asserts https://review.openstack.org/288645 | 17:18 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.log: Added +2 release names for versionutils https://review.openstack.org/288754 | 17:23 |
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harlowja | DinaBelova oh jeez, i showed up for the meeting today | 17:32 |
harlowja | lol | 17:32 |
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harlowja | kevinbenton http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088700.html | 17:44 |
harlowja | fyi | 17:44 |
harlowja | i mentioned u | 17:44 |
harlowja | ha | 17:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: test https://review.openstack.org/285239 | 17:53 |
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harlowja | dims dhellmann any news on branches for oslo stuffs yet? | 18:30 |
harlowja | sputnik13 ^ | 18:30 |
dims | harlowja : not yet | 18:30 |
harlowja | k | 18:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Ronald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.log: Added additional context kwarg log message tests https://review.openstack.org/288755 | 18:42 |
openstackgerrit | Ronald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.log: Unit test cleanup and validation improvements https://review.openstack.org/285554 | 18:42 |
openstackgerrit | Ronald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.log: Improve test code coverage of _options https://review.openstack.org/285555 | 18:42 |
openstackgerrit | Ronald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.log: Improve olso.log test coverage for edge cases https://review.openstack.org/285556 | 18:42 |
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openstackgerrit | Sabari proposed openstack/oslo.config: Incorrect group name when deprecated_group is not specified https://review.openstack.org/288804 | 18:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: Make msgpack registries copyable (and add __contains__) https://review.openstack.org/289611 | 18:51 |
openstackgerrit | Andy Smith proposed openstack/devstack-plugin-amqp1: Enable qpid-dispatch-router as alternative amqp backend https://review.openstack.org/289481 | 18:52 |
openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: Make msgpack registries copyable (and add __contains__) https://review.openstack.org/289611 | 18:53 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Add ability to iterate over dispatchable methods/endpoints https://review.openstack.org/288719 | 19:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Allow msgpack as a envelope format https://review.openstack.org/290087 | 19:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Use primitive type name in ValueError for Object field coerce failure https://review.openstack.org/287545 | 19:48 |
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fhermeni | hi there | 20:41 |
HenryG | What do I need to turn on to get services to log debtcollector deprecation warnings in the logs when running devstack? | 20:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: test https://review.openstack.org/285239 | 20:53 |
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fhermeni | harlowja: hi. It has been a long time :D I will have more time to work on the spec soon. | 21:06 |
harlowja | fhermeni np :) | 21:06 |
harlowja | it has been a while :-P | 21:06 |
fhermeni | harlowja: did you think a bit or discuss with others about the situation recently ? | 21:06 |
harlowja | nope not recently, due to various other things happening with yahoo, ha | 21:07 |
harlowja | but fyi, vilobhmm111 and i may have a session / talk in the next openstack summit about scheduling | 21:07 |
fhermeni | harlowja: in fact, I remembered you post such a proposal but I wasn’t aware it has been accepted (or pending ?) | 21:08 |
harlowja | seems like it :-P | 21:08 |
fhermeni | harlowja: congrats then | 21:08 |
fhermeni | harlowja: Guys from watcher get one as well (I see them on friday). And the “discovery initiative” got one as well | 21:09 |
fhermeni | harlowja: discovery is about a fully distributed OS | 21:09 |
harlowja | cool | 21:09 |
harlowja | whats this 'discovery' thing | 21:09 |
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fhermeni | harlowja: https://t.co/mmi4Dc2nkA | 21:15 |
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harlowja | fhermeni interstinggggg | 21:17 |
harlowja | be interesting to hear what the nova folks think of that | 21:17 |
harlowja | and/or more details on what 'OpenStack internals with P2P mechanisms' is | 21:17 |
harlowja | :-P | 21:17 |
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fhermeni | harlowja: btw. where can I found the pith of your talk ? | 21:20 |
harlowja | fhermeni good question, was trying to find that, not quite sure | 21:21 |
harlowja | 'One or more of your presentations has been approved as an Alternate Session for potential inclusion in the OpenStack Summit in Austin. If, for various reasons, other chosen speakers cannot attend the Summit and a slot becomes available on the agenda for your session to be included - then we will reach out to you at that time.' | 21:21 |
harlowja | so i'm not sure there is a link yet, lol | 21:21 |
harlowja | boris-42 https://t.co/mmi4Dc2nkA | 21:21 |
harlowja | boris-42 since u seemed interested | 21:22 |
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boris-42 | harlowja: SQL is not problem | 21:24 |
boris-42 | harlowja: the problem is how we use it=) | 21:24 |
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fhermeni | harlowja: arf, so your talk is in a pending state. Sorry :/ | 21:25 |
harlowja | fhermeni i guess, never been in a pending state before with this stuff, ha | 21:25 |
harlowja | new one for me | 21:25 |
harlowja | hopefully it gets out of pending state | 21:26 |
harlowja | boris-42 ya, so i wonder what P2P or other things that talk will be speaking about | 21:26 |
harlowja | guess we will see | 21:26 |
boris-42 | harlowja: so there should be P2P between api-computes and api-scheduler and scheduler-compute | 21:26 |
boris-42 | harlowja: that would work better | 21:27 |
boris-42 | lol | 21:27 |
harlowja | ya, who knows | 21:27 |
harlowja | at some point maybe i'll see how ripping out the nova drivers out of nova, and putting them behind something like mesos would work | 21:27 |
harlowja | expose the driver api as mesos jobs or something | 21:28 |
harlowja | something like using http://aurora.apache.org/ and treat a nova-driver/vm as a long-runnign service | 21:29 |
harlowja | but i haven't thought about it to much | 21:29 |
harlowja | that probably approaches what borg and other schedulers are doing inside of other companies (like google) | 21:30 |
harlowja | *where vms are just jobs that can be killed, shuffled... | 21:31 |
harlowja | sadly ^ is a bigger shift for openstack but probably a needed shift in | 21:34 |
harlowja | *in what people think of workloads as | 21:34 |
cdent | harlowja: I'd like to see that sort of thing happen too | 21:36 |
harlowja | cdent ya +1 | 21:36 |
cdent | but yeah, the current mental model will be very hard to shift | 21:36 |
harlowja | yup | 21:36 |
harlowja | imho very very hard | 21:36 |
harlowja | cdent although i think its needed | 21:36 |
dims | boris-42 : using RabbitMQ? :) LOL | 21:37 |
cdent | it conflicts with a lot of the eneterprisey targets | 21:37 |
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cdent | (which are still very "pet") | 21:37 |
harlowja | cdent my thought there is that enteprise targets are thinking in the past though | 21:37 |
harlowja | but ya, how do we get there | 21:38 |
cdent | well, yes, that's kind of what I was going to say "openstack 5 years (at least) behind the curve" | 21:38 |
cdent | and time travel is hard | 21:38 |
harlowja | ya | 21:39 |
fhermeni | harlowja: borg, sparrow, firmament, etc. are other kind of schedulers. Not P2P, just an optimistic sharing | 21:39 |
harlowja | yup | 21:39 |
harlowja | although didn't know about some of those, ha | 21:39 |
harlowja | cdent but ya, ripping out the nova drivers and trying to establish them behind mesos or something wouldn't seem impossible | 21:40 |
harlowja | but i haven't done much in mesos, so i may be lying, lol | 21:41 |
cdent | it's trivial except for that simple matter of actually doing it ;) | 21:41 |
harlowja | weekend project sometime | 21:41 |
harlowja | ha | 21:41 |
* harlowja puts that on my list | 21:41 | |
cdent | i think there's a lot to be said for experiments that have other things talk to the nova-compute service | 21:42 |
cdent | that would be one way to prove some concepts | 21:42 |
harlowja | ya, the question becomes after u prove it is possible (which i think it would be); then what | 21:43 |
harlowja | would people in openstack get behind such an idea, idk | 21:43 |
harlowja | or would it just create a new project | 21:43 |
dims | cdent : y send the same messages to nova-compute that usually nova-api/sched/cond sends to it | 21:43 |
harlowja | imho, if openstack (as a community) doesn't figure out this kind of question soon, it will kill the openstack (as a project/s) | 21:44 |
dims | cdent : that's what you mean right? | 21:44 |
harlowja | that's one way | 21:44 |
cdent | dims, yes, pretty much | 21:44 |
cdent | basically as a starting point | 21:44 |
harlowja | and/or look at how other projects integrate with mesos (as frameworks) and POC how to plug it in as its own 'nova framework' or 'vm framework' or something | 21:45 |
dims | cdent : that would be very cool | 21:45 |
cdent | dims: everybody has a ton of great ideas and not enough time to do them :( | 21:46 |
dims | harlowja : cdent : this is the same model as one nova-compute == one docker daemon in mesos | 21:46 |
cdent | except maybe harlowja . I heard he's doing to fix everything in one weekend. | 21:46 |
dims | lol | 21:46 |
harlowja | cdent lol | 21:46 |
harlowja | maybe 2 weekends | 21:46 |
harlowja | lol | 21:46 |
harlowja | extra weekend, just incase | 21:46 |
cdent | good enough | 21:46 |
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harlowja | dims ya, that model could work to, but ya, either run nova-compute in mesos, or make something like nova-compute that integrates more closely with mesos (but uses the same driver code that already exists) | 21:47 |
harlowja | cause afaik that driver code should 'mostly' work | 21:47 |
dims | harlowja : what i don't like is a model where a nova driver is calling out to mesos to deploy a container | 21:48 |
harlowja | agreed | 21:48 |
harlowja | i don't like that much either | 21:48 |
harlowja | its not using mesos for what its good at | 21:48 |
harlowja | *or that's what it feels like | 21:48 |
dims | right | 21:48 |
harlowja | to me u have to invert it | 21:48 |
* harlowja should look at https://github.com/jenkinsci/mesos-plugin/tree/master/src/main/java/org/jenkinsci/plugins/mesos (which is i guess how jenkins + mesos works together) | 21:49 | |
harlowja | note to self, look at, lol | 21:49 |
cdent | harlowja: keep me posted, I'm very curious | 21:49 |
harlowja | sure | 21:49 |
cdent | but for now I need to stop looking at the computer, my eyes are falling out | 21:49 |
harlowja | this would cause massive disruption to alot of projects though | 21:50 |
harlowja | for better/worse | 21:50 |
harlowja | *or i think it would | 21:50 |
harlowja | but maybe i'm wrong | 21:50 |
cdent | (disruption is needed) | 21:50 |
cdent | g'night! | 21:50 |
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harlowja | night | 21:50 |
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dims | harlowja : that's jenkins using mesos to deploy things to run slaves when it needs it - no? | 21:50 |
harlowja | dims not entirely sure | 21:50 |
harlowja | ha | 21:50 |
harlowja | probably though | 21:51 |
harlowja | so wrong model | 21:51 |
harlowja | maybe the marathon/aurora approach is better then, and treating 'nova-compute-like-thing' as a long-running 'job' | 21:51 |
dims | harlowja : so mesos does this for containers - http://mesos.apache.org/documentation/latest/docker-containerizer/ | 21:51 |
dims | it calls docker cli and interacts with docker daemon | 21:52 |
harlowja | cool | 21:52 |
harlowja | u could imagine a nova-compute simple cli that interacts with nova-compute (daemon) | 21:52 |
harlowja | *that isn't a rest api | 21:52 |
harlowja | but i'm mostly throwing ideas out there, ha | 21:52 |
dims | y some how get nova-compute to respond yes | 21:53 |
harlowja | ya | 21:53 |
* harlowja wonders if borg just uses libvirt/virsh directly | 21:53 | |
dims | jaypipes : is this sort of stuff interesting? ^^ | 21:53 |
harlowja | i'll have to ask someone who might know the google stuff | 21:54 |
fhermeni | Google does not manipulate VMs | 21:54 |
harlowja | right | 21:54 |
harlowja | not in borg | 21:54 |
fhermeni | most of the time | 21:54 |
harlowja | containers in borg | 21:54 |
harlowja | but they are just treated as jobs there from what i hear | 21:54 |
fhermeni | yes. | 21:55 |
jaypipes | dims: but that's what virsh is ... at least for the VM management part. might be intersting to have a nova-compute CLI tool for checking statuses and stuff. | 21:55 |
fhermeni | In fact, there is no notion of containers VMs at the user level usually. It is still applications to launch | 21:55 |
dims | jaypipes : right | 21:55 |
harlowja | fhermeni sure | 21:55 |
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harlowja | so ya, this would be an intersting thing to try | 21:59 |
harlowja | a simple thing inside of mesos that makes vms, somehow connect said thing into pieces of openstack (how deeply integrated it would have to be, idk) | 22:00 |
harlowja | and profit | 22:00 |
harlowja | lol | 22:00 |
harlowja | dims since u'll have alot of spare time now, maybe u can try all this out :-P | 22:02 |
harlowja | *now/in the future | 22:02 |
harlowja | ha | 22:02 |
dims | harlowja : hmmm tempting | 22:02 |
harlowja | lol | 22:03 |
harlowja | we will name the project 'dims' | 22:03 |
harlowja | in your name | 22:03 |
harlowja | dimesos | 22:03 |
harlowja | lol | 22:03 |
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lifeless | dims: hi | 22:09 |
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dims | lifeless : good morning | 22:09 |
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lifeless | dims: hi; I am just leaving the hotel, checking irc first... 'sup ? | 22:10 |
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dims | lifeless : looks like someone else may be interested in the code for parsing requirements/test-requirements/setup.cfg for figuring out dependencies etc in a separate pypi package | 22:10 |
dims | so wanted to just let you know about that | 22:11 |
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lifeless | dims: cool | 22:12 |
lifeless | dims: there's also a separate implementation in the packaging library which we've put together over the last few months | 22:12 |
dims | ah ok | 22:14 |
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lifeless | dims: so - well, its going to depend on what they want/need | 22:17 |
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lifeless | dims: gotta run, lets talk more friday? | 22:17 |
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dims | lifeless : ack | 22:18 |
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vilobhmm11 | harlowja : yes got selected but "alternate" thing is worrying me :( | 22:29 |
harlowja | vilobhmm11 agreed | 22:29 |
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vilobhmm11 | harlowja, dims : have you seen that before ? | 22:30 |
harlowja | i haven't | 22:30 |
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vilobhmm11 | harlowja : ok | 22:35 |
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dims | vilobhmm11 : harlowja : what's the concern? | 22:48 |
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vilobhmm11 | dims : one of our talk got selected for the summit but its marked as alternate ; have you seen such kind of acceptance before | 22:54 |
dims | vilobhmm11 : email them speakersupport AT openstack.org to ask | 22:56 |
dims | vilobhmm11 : they are very responsive | 22:56 |
vilobhmm11 | dims : sure will do | 22:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Add basic mysql table support (if provided a database) [POC] https://review.openstack.org/290178 | 23:22 |
harlowja | jd__ kevinbenton ^ | 23:22 |
harlowja | just WIP, but could be the start of something... | 23:22 |
harlowja | whether people should use it, wellll thats another question | 23:23 |
harlowja | ha | 23:23 |
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openstackgerrit | James Polley proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Clarifications around tags and version numbers https://review.openstack.org/289630 | 23:52 |
openstackgerrit | James Polley proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Correct typo - s/enabeld/enabled/ https://review.openstack.org/289623 | 23:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Add basic mysql table support (if provided a database) [POC] https://review.openstack.org/290178 | 23:57 |
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