Tuesday, 2016-03-08

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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Disallow dispatching to private/protected methods  https://review.openstack.org/28962400:04
harlowjakevinbenton ^00:04
harlowjasileht do u know (any idea) why ^ would be a bad idea :-P00:04
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harlowjamaking https://review.openstack.org/288719 made me wonder what people could call00:07
harlowjaand it seems nearly anything, ha00:07
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openstackgerritSachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: WIP: Do not silently drop markers that fail to evaluate  https://review.openstack.org/28962800:18
openstackgerritJames Polley proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Clarifications around tags and version numbers  https://review.openstack.org/28963000:23
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harlowjakevinbenton https://aptira.com/stackbuffet/00:32
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openstackgerritSachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Do not silently drop markers that fail to evaluate  https://review.openstack.org/28962801:32
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ivar-lazzaroHello everyone, I'm trying to use the oslo_db MigrationManager for running alembic migrations, but when trying to test it I get the following error: 'There must be at least one plugin active.'02:45
ivar-lazzaroI understand a plugin from the 'oslo.db.migration' namespace should be loaded, but I'm not sure where to set this configuration02:45
ivar-lazzaroanyone can help with this? :)02:46
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openstackgerritSachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Use apt-cache generated packages to provide build deps  https://review.openstack.org/28968903:59
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openstackgerritSachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Do not silently drop markers that fail to evaluate  https://review.openstack.org/28962805:05
openstackgerritSachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Do not silently drop markers that fail to evaluate  https://review.openstack.org/28962805:11
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openstackgerritSachi King proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Do not silently drop markers that fail to evaluate  https://review.openstack.org/28962805:56
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openstackgerritChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.config: Disallow config option name as same as attribute of ConfigOpts  https://review.openstack.org/28975207:04
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openstackgerritDmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: test  https://review.openstack.org/28523907:39
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openstackgerritChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.config: Disallow config option name as same as attribute of ConfigOpts  https://review.openstack.org/28975208:44
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openstackgerritDmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: test  https://review.openstack.org/28523910:23
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openstackgerritAlexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.service: Offer mutate_config_files  https://review.openstack.org/26331211:46
openstackgerritAlexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.service: Make _spawn_service more flexible  https://review.openstack.org/28987611:46
openstackgerritDmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: test  https://review.openstack.org/28523911:48
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toabctlI recognized that i.e. oslo.cache has now some optional requirements in setup.cfg . Are theses requirements also handled with the automatic bot updates?12:49
dimstoabctl : yes, bot updates takes care of the optional requirements too12:51
toabctldims: cool! so what's recommended for optional requirements? setup.cfg or still requirements.txt ?12:52
dimstoabctl : i think we are using "[extras]" in setup.cfg in all oslo projects, i'll have to check12:52
dimstoabctl : oslo.messaging drops them in test-requirements.txt so i was wrong :)12:53
dimstoabctl : at least optional stuff should not be in requirements.txt :)12:54
toabctldims: ok. I guess when I want to have the whole list of requirements from a sdist tarball, I need to look just into egg-info/requires.txt , right?12:54
dimstoabctl : not sure i have to look at the last set of releases12:56
toabctldims: so what I'm looking for is a way to get all requirements (incuding the markers and optionals)12:57
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toabctlwithout the need to parse requirements.txt, test-requirements.tst requirements-py27.txt and setup.cfg12:57
toabctland maybe others. at least in the past there were some additional requirement files somewhere in the tree (not in an oslo project)12:58
dimslooking at egg-info/requires.txt in oslo.messaging, it does not have pyngus (which is from test-requirements.txt) :(12:58
dimstoabctl : where do you need this in?12:59
toabctldims: for the rpm-packaging project12:59
toabctldims: there is already code to parse all theses different files but I wonder if there's a more easy way..13:00
dimsunderstood toabctl13:01
* dims flashes the bat signal for lifeless 13:01
toabctlhm.looks like the test-requirements.txt are not added requires.txt13:01
toabctllol13:01
dimstoabctl : right, we have a bunch of bots that do this code is in requirements repo and some stuff in project/system config repo too13:02
dimslet me see if there's a easy to use13:02
toabctldims: you don't have to. I already have code. I'm just wondering if it is really so complicated13:03
dimstoabctl : have you seen the stuff in openstack/requirements/openstack_requirements/**/*.py ?13:06
dimstoabctl : one idea if i remember right was that lifeless was planning to get that into a pypi package for easy use13:06
toabctlnot yet. I'll jhave a look13:06
dimsone consumer of that stuff is project-config/jenkins/scripts/project-requirements-change.py that's the one that proposes updates13:08
dimstoabctl ^^13:08
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toabctldims: thanks!13:15
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dimsrbradfor : sdague : so i threw in some code for logging deprecations following up on discussion from yesterday - http://logs.openstack.org/01/289901/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/b7a56e7/logs/deprecations.txt.gz13:26
dimsrbradfor : we seem to be generating some weird logs from oslo.config - please see the one about "memcached_servers" and "user-name" i thought these were already fixed13:27
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openstackgerritAlexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.service: Offer mutate_config_files  https://review.openstack.org/26331213:53
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rbradfordims, will do.14:48
rbradfordims, can you point me to the gate code you added?14:50
dimsrbradfor https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289901/14:51
patchbotdims: patch 289901 - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Generate a log with deprecation warnings14:51
dimsthanks rbradfor14:51
rbradfordims, I know the line of code that throws that oslo.config message, looking up now.14:52
dimsawesome :) i'll be right back14:52
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rbradfordims, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289968/15:22
patchbotrbradfor: patch 289968 - openstack-dev/devstack - Updated deprecated keystone_authtoken options15:22
openstackgerritRonald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.log: Added +2 release names for versionutils  https://review.openstack.org/28875415:25
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rbradfordims, when you modified devstack-gate how do you test this locally first?15:59
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jschwarzhello - I have a question on tooz :)16:29
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jschwarzI'm looking at the documentations and it specifies one needs to send a heartbeat every once in a while16:29
jschwarzsay I have a server which is using multiple threads, each one is an oslo.messaging RPC server16:29
jschwarzIs there any easy way to tell oslo.messaging to also send heartbeats (or run some function of mine every once in a while)?16:29
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.vmware: Remove explicit use of asserts  https://review.openstack.org/28864517:18
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/oslo.log: Added +2 release names for versionutils  https://review.openstack.org/28875417:23
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harlowjaDinaBelova oh jeez, i showed up for the meeting today17:32
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harlowjakevinbenton http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088700.html17:44
harlowjafyi17:44
harlowjai mentioned u17:44
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openstackgerritDmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: test  https://review.openstack.org/28523917:53
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harlowjadims dhellmann any news on branches for oslo stuffs yet?18:30
harlowjasputnik13 ^18:30
dimsharlowja : not yet18:30
harlowjak18:30
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openstackgerritRonald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.log: Added additional context kwarg log message tests  https://review.openstack.org/28875518:42
openstackgerritRonald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.log: Unit test cleanup and validation improvements  https://review.openstack.org/28555418:42
openstackgerritRonald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.log: Improve test code coverage of _options  https://review.openstack.org/28555518:42
openstackgerritRonald Bradford proposed openstack/oslo.log: Improve olso.log test coverage for edge cases  https://review.openstack.org/28555618:42
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openstackgerritSabari proposed openstack/oslo.config: Incorrect group name when deprecated_group is not specified  https://review.openstack.org/28880418:48
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: Make msgpack registries copyable (and add __contains__)  https://review.openstack.org/28961118:51
openstackgerritAndy Smith proposed openstack/devstack-plugin-amqp1: Enable qpid-dispatch-router as alternative amqp backend  https://review.openstack.org/28948118:52
openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.serialization: Make msgpack registries copyable (and add __contains__)  https://review.openstack.org/28961118:53
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Add ability to iterate over dispatchable methods/endpoints  https://review.openstack.org/28871919:00
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Allow msgpack as a envelope format  https://review.openstack.org/29008719:26
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openstackgerritMatt Riedemann proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Use primitive type name in ValueError for Object field coerce failure  https://review.openstack.org/28754519:48
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fhermenihi there20:41
HenryGWhat do I need to turn on to get services to log debtcollector deprecation warnings in the logs when running devstack?20:43
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openstackgerritDmitriy Ukhlov proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: test  https://review.openstack.org/28523920:53
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fhermeniharlowja: hi. It has been a long time :D I will have more time to work on the spec soon.21:06
harlowjafhermeni np :)21:06
harlowjait has been a while :-P21:06
fhermeniharlowja: did you think a bit or discuss with others about the situation recently ?21:06
harlowjanope not recently, due to various other things happening with yahoo, ha21:07
harlowjabut fyi, vilobhmm111 and i may have a session / talk in the next openstack summit about scheduling21:07
fhermeniharlowja: in fact, I remembered you post such a proposal but I wasn’t aware it has been accepted (or pending ?)21:08
harlowjaseems like it :-P21:08
fhermeniharlowja: congrats then21:08
fhermeniharlowja: Guys from watcher get one as well (I see them on friday). And the “discovery initiative” got one as well21:09
fhermeniharlowja: discovery is about a fully distributed OS21:09
harlowjacool21:09
harlowjawhats this 'discovery' thing21:09
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fhermeniharlowja: https://t.co/mmi4Dc2nkA21:15
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harlowjafhermeni interstinggggg21:17
harlowjabe interesting to hear what the nova folks think of that21:17
harlowjaand/or more details on what 'OpenStack internals with P2P mechanisms' is21:17
harlowja:-P21:17
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fhermeniharlowja: btw. where can I found the pith of your talk ?21:20
harlowjafhermeni good question, was trying to find that, not quite sure21:21
harlowja'One or more of your presentations has been approved as an Alternate Session for potential inclusion in the OpenStack Summit in Austin. If, for various reasons, other chosen speakers cannot attend the Summit and a slot becomes available on the agenda for your session to be included - then we will reach out to you at that time.'21:21
harlowjaso i'm not sure there is a link yet, lol21:21
harlowjaboris-42 https://t.co/mmi4Dc2nkA21:21
harlowjaboris-42 since u seemed interested21:22
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boris-42harlowja: SQL is not problem21:24
boris-42harlowja: the problem is how we use it=)21:24
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fhermeniharlowja: arf, so your talk is in a pending state. Sorry :/21:25
harlowjafhermeni i guess, never been in a pending state before with this stuff, ha21:25
harlowjanew one for me21:25
harlowjahopefully it gets out of pending state21:26
harlowjaboris-42 ya, so i wonder what P2P or other things that talk will be speaking about21:26
harlowjaguess we will see21:26
boris-42harlowja: so there should be P2P between api-computes and api-scheduler and scheduler-compute21:26
boris-42harlowja: that would work better21:27
boris-42lol21:27
harlowjaya, who knows21:27
harlowjaat some point maybe i'll see how ripping out the nova drivers out of nova, and putting them behind something like mesos would work21:27
harlowjaexpose the driver api as mesos jobs or something21:28
harlowjasomething like using http://aurora.apache.org/ and treat a nova-driver/vm as a long-runnign service21:29
harlowjabut i haven't thought about it to much21:29
harlowjathat probably approaches what borg and other schedulers are doing inside of other companies (like google)21:30
harlowja*where vms are just jobs that can be killed, shuffled...21:31
harlowjasadly ^ is a bigger shift for openstack but probably a needed shift in21:34
harlowja*in what people think of workloads as21:34
cdentharlowja: I'd like to see that sort of thing happen too21:36
harlowjacdent ya +121:36
cdentbut yeah, the current mental model will be very hard to shift21:36
harlowjayup21:36
harlowjaimho very very hard21:36
harlowjacdent although i think its needed21:36
dimsboris-42 : using RabbitMQ? :) LOL21:37
cdentit conflicts with a lot of the eneterprisey targets21:37
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cdent(which are still very "pet")21:37
harlowjacdent my thought there is that enteprise targets are thinking in the past though21:37
harlowjabut ya, how do we get there21:38
cdentwell, yes, that's kind of what I was going to say "openstack 5 years (at least) behind the curve"21:38
cdentand time travel is hard21:38
harlowjaya21:39
fhermeniharlowja: borg, sparrow, firmament, etc. are other kind of schedulers. Not P2P, just an optimistic sharing21:39
harlowjayup21:39
harlowjaalthough didn't know about some of those, ha21:39
harlowjacdent but ya, ripping out the nova drivers and trying to establish them behind mesos or something wouldn't seem impossible21:40
harlowjabut i haven't done much in mesos, so i may be lying, lol21:41
cdentit's trivial except for that simple matter of actually doing it ;)21:41
harlowjaweekend project sometime21:41
harlowjaha21:41
* harlowja puts that on my list21:41
cdenti think there's a lot to be said for experiments that have other things talk to the nova-compute service21:42
cdentthat would be one way to prove some concepts21:42
harlowjaya, the question becomes after u prove it is possible (which i think it would be); then what21:43
harlowjawould people in openstack get behind such an idea, idk21:43
harlowjaor would it just create a new project21:43
dimscdent : y send the same messages to nova-compute that usually nova-api/sched/cond sends to it21:43
harlowjaimho, if openstack (as a community) doesn't figure out this kind of question soon, it will kill the openstack (as a project/s)21:44
dimscdent : that's what you mean right?21:44
harlowjathat's one way21:44
cdentdims, yes, pretty much21:44
cdentbasically as a starting point21:44
harlowjaand/or look at how other projects integrate with mesos (as frameworks) and POC how to plug it in as its own 'nova framework' or 'vm framework' or something21:45
dimscdent : that would be very cool21:45
cdentdims: everybody has a ton of great ideas and not enough time to do them :(21:46
dimsharlowja : cdent : this is the same model as one nova-compute == one docker daemon in mesos21:46
cdentexcept maybe harlowja . I heard he's doing to fix everything in one weekend.21:46
dimslol21:46
harlowjacdent lol21:46
harlowjamaybe 2 weekends21:46
harlowjalol21:46
harlowjaextra weekend, just incase21:46
cdentgood enough21:46
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harlowjadims ya, that model could work to, but ya, either run nova-compute in mesos, or make something like nova-compute that integrates more closely with mesos (but uses the same driver code that already exists)21:47
harlowjacause afaik that driver code should 'mostly' work21:47
dimsharlowja : what i don't like is a model where a nova driver is calling out to mesos to deploy a container21:48
harlowjaagreed21:48
harlowjai don't like that much either21:48
harlowjaits not using mesos for what its good at21:48
harlowja*or that's what it feels like21:48
dimsright21:48
harlowjato me u have to invert it21:48
* harlowja should look at https://github.com/jenkinsci/mesos-plugin/tree/master/src/main/java/org/jenkinsci/plugins/mesos (which is i guess how jenkins + mesos works together)21:49
harlowjanote to self, look at, lol21:49
cdentharlowja: keep me posted, I'm very curious21:49
harlowjasure21:49
cdentbut for now I need to stop looking at the computer, my eyes are falling out21:49
harlowjathis would cause massive disruption to alot of projects though21:50
harlowjafor better/worse21:50
harlowja*or i think it would21:50
harlowjabut maybe i'm wrong21:50
cdent(disruption is needed)21:50
cdentg'night!21:50
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harlowjanight21:50
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dimsharlowja : that's jenkins using mesos to deploy things to run slaves when it needs it - no?21:50
harlowjadims not entirely sure21:50
harlowjaha21:50
harlowjaprobably though21:51
harlowjaso wrong model21:51
harlowjamaybe the marathon/aurora approach is better then, and treating 'nova-compute-like-thing' as a long-running 'job'21:51
dimsharlowja : so mesos does this for containers - http://mesos.apache.org/documentation/latest/docker-containerizer/21:51
dimsit calls docker cli and interacts with docker daemon21:52
harlowjacool21:52
harlowjau could imagine a nova-compute simple cli that interacts with nova-compute (daemon)21:52
harlowja*that isn't a rest api21:52
harlowjabut i'm mostly throwing ideas out there, ha21:52
dimsy some how get nova-compute to respond yes21:53
harlowjaya21:53
* harlowja wonders if borg just uses libvirt/virsh directly 21:53
dimsjaypipes : is this sort of stuff interesting? ^^21:53
harlowjai'll have to ask someone who might know the google stuff21:54
fhermeniGoogle does not manipulate VMs21:54
harlowjaright21:54
harlowjanot in borg21:54
fhermenimost of the time21:54
harlowjacontainers in borg21:54
harlowjabut they are just treated as jobs there from what i hear21:54
fhermeniyes.21:55
jaypipesdims: but that's what virsh is ... at least for the VM management part. might be intersting to have a nova-compute CLI tool for checking statuses and stuff.21:55
fhermeniIn fact, there is no notion of containers VMs at the user level usually. It is still applications to launch21:55
dimsjaypipes : right21:55
harlowjafhermeni sure21:55
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harlowjaso ya, this would be an intersting thing to try21:59
harlowjaa simple thing inside of mesos that makes vms, somehow connect said thing into pieces of openstack (how deeply integrated it would have to be, idk)22:00
harlowjaand profit22:00
harlowjalol22:00
harlowjadims since u'll have alot of spare time now, maybe u can try all this out :-P22:02
harlowja*now/in the future22:02
harlowjaha22:02
dimsharlowja : hmmm tempting22:02
harlowjalol22:03
harlowjawe will name the project 'dims'22:03
harlowjain your name22:03
harlowjadimesos22:03
harlowjalol22:03
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lifelessdims: hi22:09
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dimslifeless : good morning22:09
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lifelessdims: hi; I am just leaving the hotel, checking irc first... 'sup ?22:10
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dimslifeless : looks like someone else may be interested in the code for parsing requirements/test-requirements/setup.cfg for figuring out dependencies etc in a separate pypi package22:10
dimsso wanted to just let you know about that22:11
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lifelessdims: cool22:12
lifelessdims: there's also a separate implementation in the packaging library which we've put together over the last few months22:12
dimsah ok22:14
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lifelessdims: so - well, its going to depend on what they want/need22:17
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lifelessdims: gotta run, lets talk more friday?22:17
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dimslifeless : ack22:18
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vilobhmm11harlowja : yes got selected but "alternate" thing is worrying me :(22:29
harlowjavilobhmm11 agreed22:29
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vilobhmm11harlowja, dims : have you seen that before ?22:30
harlowjai haven't22:30
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vilobhmm11harlowja : ok22:35
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dimsvilobhmm11 : harlowja : what's the concern?22:48
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vilobhmm11dims : one of our talk got selected for the summit but its marked as alternate ; have you seen such kind of acceptance before22:54
dimsvilobhmm11 : email them  speakersupport AT openstack.org to ask22:56
dimsvilobhmm11 : they are very responsive22:56
vilobhmm11dims : sure will do22:56
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Add basic mysql table support (if provided a database) [POC]  https://review.openstack.org/29017823:22
harlowjajd__ kevinbenton ^23:22
harlowjajust WIP, but could be the start of something...23:22
harlowjawhether people should use it, wellll thats another question23:23
harlowjaha23:23
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openstackgerritJames Polley proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Clarifications around tags and version numbers  https://review.openstack.org/28963023:52
openstackgerritJames Polley proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Correct typo - s/enabeld/enabled/  https://review.openstack.org/28962323:52
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openstackgerritJoshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Add basic mysql table support (if provided a database) [POC]  https://review.openstack.org/29017823:57

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