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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Add programatic introspection of drivers characteristic(s) https://review.openstack.org/240681 | 02:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Bogdan Dobrelya proposed openstack/oslo-specs: Add a spec for a work queue messaging pattern https://review.openstack.org/256342 | 15:42 |
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| rbradfor | dims_, hi | 16:25 |
| dims_ | rbradfor : hi | 16:26 |
| rbradfor | We spoke a few weeks ago, I had some vacation but I've been looking into logging specific tasks and code. Had a good discussion with rockyg also. Had a few questions when I you had some free time. | 16:27 |
| dims_ | rbradfor : i can try to answer | 16:27 |
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| rbradfor | dims_, is it best to bring them up here? I feel using the ML for questions about current priorities combined with what history exists is not the best. | 16:29 |
| dims_ | rbradfor : dhellmann has a way better grasp on this as he has been on the logging WG. but yes, let's talk | 16:31 |
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| dukhlov | @dims: Do you really think that we are ready to approve work queue spec? | 16:32 |
| dukhlov | @dism_: I have a doubts about work management features, like wait, stop | 16:33 |
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| dukhlov | @dims_: if we send it to queue it is hard (imposible) to stop it | 16:34 |
| rbradfor | dims_, happy also to ping dhellmann on specifics. From an Oslo prospective however, does the logging WG define the priorities, should I take the lead from Rockyg on them. I see his points, but I also see several levels of ground work that would be beneficial. Is anybody else looking at these tasks in oslo dev for me to interact with | 16:35 |
| dims_ | dukhlov : harlowja and bogdando were thinking about using tooz and other things like jobboard from taskflow to help with the implementatiob | 16:35 |
| dims_ | rbradfor : currently we are just reacting to changes needed, no specs in progress | 16:36 |
| rbradfor | dims_, good to know, rockyg was working on some specs he mentioned. | 16:37 |
| dims_ | dukhlov : again those would be implementation details, | 16:37 |
| dukhlov | @dims_, ok, but it looks like out of oslo.messaging definition | 16:37 |
| dims_ | dukhlov : we need to write how how say Mistral would work with the new API | 16:37 |
| rbradfor | dims_, I have not seen a way to get the configuration used or in use for any service. When starting and if in DEBUG you get output via log_opt_values but production systems do not run in DEBUG? | 16:38 |
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| rbradfor | dims_, For a long running process should know what the configuration was at startup. The output would also benefit from determining variable set via conf file values v default values. Seems something for an oslo.service discussion | 16:39 |
| dims_ | rbradfor : yes, we don't have a way to do that | 16:39 |
| rbradfor | dims_, good to know it's something already discussed. | 16:39 |
| rbradfor | dims_, this lead into I wanted to change the log level of one package, but I had to then specify ALL packages in | 16:40 |
| rbradfor | default_log_levels. I had to check source to find the configuration variable current value. There was no way to append new log levels to the default. I'd see this as a oslo.config logging benefit | 16:40 |
| rbradfor | which leads into another discussion from the ML on mutable config. The only really operator feedback was "As an Op, I can say the only time I've really wanted to change the config file and felt pain restarting a service was when I needed to adjust the logging level" | 16:42 |
| dukhlov | dims_: I think it would be better to ask Mistral first what they need, not say them please just use it. | 16:42 |
| dims_ | dukhlov : has to be a 2 way process | 16:43 |
| dims_ | rbradfor : yes, we can propose something to append | 16:44 |
| dukhlov | @dims, ok | 16:45 |
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| rbradfor | dims_, it seems however that reloading Python logging is a more difficult process from what I've read about it. Without the ability to do this, the appending has only partial benefits to operators. | 16:46 |
| rbradfor | as I look at one thing, it becomes four different but inter-related work. | 16:47 |
| dims_ | rbradfor : guess a proof of concept would be the thing to do | 16:50 |
| dims_ | take nova and neutron for example and see what we need to do in oslo.log/oslo.service/oslo.config | 16:51 |
| dims_ | that will be of benefit to operators | 16:51 |
| dims_ | and then suggest specs in respective projects | 16:51 |
| rbradfor | dims_, fair point. Didn't think of that. still grabling with what is the better way of doing things without rocking the boat, and getting things accepted. i.e. working with specs that have already been discussed at summits I though was the better way. | 16:52 |
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| dims_ | rbradfor : in the absence of active specs... | 16:54 |
| rbradfor | dims_, Thanks. will do. I can also do likewise on error codes and propagating requestID (two specs I am waiting on) | 16:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: Revert "serializer: deprecate RequestContextSerializer" https://review.openstack.org/254904 | 17:38 |
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| dims_ | harlowja : mriedem left a couple of notes in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259707/ can you please look? | 18:46 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259707/4 | 18:47 |
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| mkovacik_ | harlowja, hi, U have a minute? ;) | 18:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Revert "Remove failure version number" https://review.openstack.org/260164 | 18:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Add desired characteristics strict subset validation https://review.openstack.org/260180 | 19:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Add desired characteristics strict subset validation https://review.openstack.org/260180 | 19:32 |
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| fhermeni | hi | 20:29 |
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| mkovacik_ | harlowja, hi, U around? | 20:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Ensure redis claimed jobs are correctly extended when heartbeat called https://review.openstack.org/260210 | 20:43 |
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| bardia | since Friday afternoon I have been getting the following error: http://paste.openstack.org/show/482448/ | 20:57 |
| bardia | anyone know of any changes that might have caused this? | 20:57 |
| bardia | it looks like the oslo client is closing the socket before server responds | 20:57 |
| dims_ | bardia : look at your /etc/cinder/api-paste.ini - search for [filter:osprofiler] and set enabled=no | 21:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Ensure redis claimed jobs are correctly extended when heartbeat called https://review.openstack.org/260210 | 21:02 |
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| bardia | dims_: thanks that worked? | 21:03 |
| bardia | dims_: what is the osprofiler doing? | 21:03 |
| dims_ | bardia : that will help you switch off osprofiler and you will see the real problem if any | 21:03 |
| bardia | dims_: my driver is now working with it off | 21:04 |
| dims_ | bardia : i'd suggest opening a bug against osprofiler | 21:04 |
| bardia | dims_: will do. thanks | 21:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Tooz jobs adoption (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/260246 | 23:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Tooz jobs adoption (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/260246 | 23:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.db: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/260260 | 23:44 |
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| harlowja | dukhlov bogdando let me know if u want to know more about the jobboard thing | 23:46 |
| harlowja | i'm really more in favor of it, but ya, i have my reasons :-P | 23:46 |
| * harlowja i think its simpler and more tolerant of crapping out | 23:46 | |
| * harlowja min pae (taskflow and other oslo lib core) also has some thoughts about that, if he gets on it might be nice to hear... | 23:46 | |
| harlowja | if people want me to explain http://docs.openstack.org/developer/taskflow/jobs.html i'm fine with that | 23:47 |
| dims | harlowja : what were you saying about tooz and jobboard? | 23:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Tooz jobs adoption (WIP) https://review.openstack.org/260246 | 23:49 |
| dims | ah looks like you are proposing jobs in tooz | 23:51 |
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| harlowja | sure, checking out | 23:52 |
| harlowja | dims_ responded | 23:53 |
| harlowja | i can really just revert https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237280/ if its going to cause a major version bump | 23:53 |
| harlowja | (because if i'm going to cause a version bump, i'd rather have more useful changes cause it, haha) | 23:53 |
| harlowja | like a bunch i want to do for 2.0 | 23:53 |
| harlowja | *taskflow 2.0 | 23:53 |
| harlowja | mkovacik_ sureeee | 23:54 |
| harlowja | dims_ and there is that revert, because meh, not worth a major version bump just for that | 23:54 |
| * harlowja would rather have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198914/ if this is going to cause a version bump | 23:55 | |
| harlowja | (aka do a version bump for better reasons than a small change, ha) | 23:55 |
| harlowja | go big or go home... | 23:55 |
| dims | harlowja : +1 to go big | 23:55 |
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| dims | so i held back the release | 23:55 |
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