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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Make all locks operate the same when fetched from different coordinators https://review.openstack.org/252115 | 00:39 |
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| dims | harlowja : this one was tricky - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252088/ | 00:46 |
| lifeless | dims: o/ | 00:49 |
| lifeless | dims: are you rounding up the oslo cores for that spec? | 00:49 |
| dims | lifeless : i already started if you saw the minutes from last monday meeting :) | 00:49 |
| lifeless | dims: well, I just want dhellmann to be happy ;) | 00:50 |
| dims | :) me too | 00:50 |
| harlowja | lol | 00:50 |
| dims | hard part is how do we make sure we keep our guarantees and not break stuff inadvertantly | 00:50 |
| lifeless | dims: well, thats the test matrix point | 00:51 |
| dims | unless we can test all the things | 00:51 |
| dims | y | 00:51 |
| harlowja | dims woah on 252088 | 00:51 |
| dims | fwiw, sdague and i got the dsvm tests from master to liberty working a week or so ago. they were not testing what they were meant to :) | 00:52 |
| dims | harlowja y crazy one | 00:52 |
| dims | caught that on travis | 00:52 |
| dims | lifeless you should look at that one too :) | 00:52 |
| harlowja | dims good catch | 00:52 |
| dims | lifeless : so, am thinking to ask folks about alternating the oslo meeting time to fit your zone as well, | 00:53 |
| harlowja | we can just have a special meeting for lifeless | 00:53 |
| dims | it will be just the 3 of us :) | 00:54 |
| harlowja | the trio | 00:54 |
| harlowja | the 3 musketters | 00:54 |
| lifeless | dims: well, I'm ok just reading the meeting logs | 00:54 |
| lifeless | dims: its just that e.g. the incubator spec seems to need more discussion | 00:54 |
| dims | lifeless : ack agree | 00:55 |
| lifeless | dims: since - breaking compat for incubated things is actually really hard if we don't have some mechanism to allow piecemeal adoption | 00:55 |
| dims | harlowja : next 2 mondays, if i am late, please start the meeting as i am in Russia/Ukraine | 00:55 |
| lifeless | dims: the copy-paste thing allowed piecemeal adoption with no cross-module breaks | 00:55 |
| harlowja | dims sure | 00:55 |
| dims | thanks harlowja | 00:55 |
| harlowja | np comrade | 00:55 |
| dims | lifeless right | 00:56 |
| lifeless | dims: if we don't do that we ca neither a) do backwards comapt from the start, per the new backwards compat spec | 00:56 |
| lifeless | or b) use some mechanism like I describe to get no breaks until we're ready for in-place backwards compat | 00:56 |
| dims | lifeless : at least on release boundaries, we make sure we don't break any consuming project right? | 00:56 |
| lifeless | dims: ish, we will with the full backwards compat spec I think | 00:57 |
| lifeless | at least probabalistically (e.g. we might not be running every consumers unit tests...) | 00:57 |
| dims | right | 00:57 |
| lifeless | but if the answer is 'we're willing to do backwards compat' then we should just say that | 00:58 |
| lifeless | e.g. no incubation period, first release is supported until the matching stable server branch is killed | 00:58 |
| lifeless | *I* think thats fine | 00:58 |
| lifeless | but e.g. see haypo's reaction to backwards compat in oslo.context | 00:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Support older notifications set_override keys https://review.openstack.org/252088 | 00:59 |
| dims | right, yes, | 00:59 |
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| dims | we have to collectively agree to be disciplined and this is the way we do it (spec) | 00:59 |
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| dims | lifeless : part of his issue was that he was not sure what he would break | 00:59 |
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| dims | switching networks - back in 2 mins (moving downstairs :) | 01:00 |
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| lifeless | dims: ack | 01:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Tan Lin proposed openstack/oslo.config: Add new parameter `choices` to Integer type https://review.openstack.org/251700 | 01:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Tan Lin proposed openstack/oslo.config: Add new parameter `choices` to Integer type https://review.openstack.org/251700 | 01:04 |
| dims | harlowja : y fixed that nit :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252088/ | 01:09 |
| harlowja | ;) | 01:09 |
| harlowja | ok, one more comment, ha | 01:09 |
| harlowja | maybe tell people about the new thing? | 01:09 |
| dims | oooh, in a test and not at runtime...interesting | 01:10 |
| harlowja | unsure, up to u | 01:11 |
| harlowja | i did make https://github.com/openstack/debtcollector/blob/master/debtcollector/renames.py#L25 once | 01:11 |
| dims | harlowja : probably too much i think | 01:11 |
| harlowja | but your usage is to complicated for that :-P | 01:11 |
| dims | :) | 01:11 |
| harlowja | u want arbitrary function remapping, that does do that, ha | 01:11 |
| harlowja | *doesn't do that | 01:11 |
| dims | ack harlowja | 01:12 |
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| dims | lifeless : the bot keeps dropping pyeclib right? found out why (https://bitbucket.org/kmgreen2/pyeclib/pull-requests/33/use-sysprefix-instead-of-hardcoding-usr/diff) | 01:12 |
| lifeless | dims: reviewed | 01:12 |
| lifeless | dims: ah! I was halfway through tracking that down. Cool | 01:13 |
| dims | lifeless : either we install liberasure* thingy before hand or we need the fix above | 01:13 |
| lifeless | dims: we need pyeclib to stop being broken-ass ;) | 01:14 |
| dims | in devstack for swift we do the install beforehand | 01:14 |
| dims | +1 :) | 01:14 |
| lifeless | dims: you could try adding the lib to other-requirements.txt in openstack/requirements | 01:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Support older notifications set_override keys https://review.openstack.org/252088 | 01:17 |
| dims | lifeless : i don't think the job that runs the bot installs the other-requirements.txt unfortunately | 01:20 |
| lifeless | dims: well, we could fix that | 01:22 |
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| lifeless | dims: btw, we need to pin astroid before updating upper-constraints.txt | 01:26 |
| lifeless | dims: or we'll break things | 01:26 |
| lifeless | dims: I put up patches for it | 01:26 |
| dims | lifeless : i only have karma on master requirements which already went through i think | 01:31 |
| lifeless | ack | 01:32 |
| dims | lifeless : in the "Matrix" section, we don't say anything about breaking unit tests. it almost reads like dsvm and functional tests. do we want to say something specific? | 01:33 |
| lifeless | of the backwards compat spec? | 01:34 |
| dims | we break other projects either by a) bad requirements b) bad fixtures c) break API contract d) changing configurations | 01:35 |
| dims | lifeless ack | 01:35 |
| dims | harlowja : what else other than the a,b,c,d above? | 01:35 |
| harlowja | we break projects? ;) | 01:36 |
| dims | y | 01:36 |
| harlowja | lol | 01:36 |
| harlowja | hmmm | 01:36 |
| dims | trying to think last few weeks worth of releases how we ended up breaking people | 01:36 |
| harlowja | e) not very well defined api contracts | 01:36 |
| harlowja | which makes a,b,c,d worse | 01:36 |
| dims | f) people using internal implementation details of our libraries in their test suites | 01:36 |
| harlowja | (and makes adding new drivers, to say oslo.messaging that much harder) | 01:36 |
| lifeless | does this make sense to you? | 01:37 |
| lifeless | Libraries/clients that decide not to provide backwards compatibility need to | 01:37 |
| lifeless | be managed in our global requirements using upper pins: this has a high cost | 01:37 |
| lifeless | (see above), but since we know they will break regularly, we don't ever need | 01:37 |
| lifeless | to uncap it, and so we won't be doing the release-time-mass-dance that our | 01:37 |
| lifeless | previous cap-at-release time process used: instead they will be capped at all | 01:37 |
| lifeless | times. | 01:37 |
| harlowja | g) semantic shifts in execution workflow(s) [taskflow since it can alter this...] | 01:37 |
| harlowja | alterations in execution of taskflow stuff has happened, maybe, ha | 01:37 |
| harlowja | (tries not to make it happen, but bugs happen) | 01:38 |
| dims | lifeless : "global requirements in stable branches"? | 01:38 |
| dims | harlowja : right | 01:38 |
| lifeless | dims: master too | 01:39 |
| lifeless | dims: otherwise we have a release-time-dance | 01:39 |
| lifeless | dims: which is crazy | 01:39 |
| dims | +1 lifeless | 01:39 |
| harlowja | dims can't think of to many others off the top of my head, those seem to sumarize the stuff i've seen | 01:39 |
| dims | cool thanks | 01:40 |
| lifeless | dims: re unit tests: | 01:40 |
| lifeless | The tests we run should be representative of how the library/client is used: | 01:40 |
| lifeless | devstack is important, but consideration should be made to also run unit test | 01:40 |
| lifeless | or functional test jobs from heavy users of a given library, to gain wider | 01:40 |
| lifeless | coverage than the full integration tests offer. | 01:40 |
| harlowja | agreed, i'd recommend we try to do as much as we can in library | 01:41 |
| harlowja | like in taskflow there are a whole ton of transition/execution validation checks... | 01:41 |
| harlowja | *to ensure that ordering doesn't like go wonky... | 01:41 |
| dims | lifeless : ok let's add what you just said to somewhere in the spec :) | 01:42 |
| harlowja | https://github.com/openstack/taskflow/blob/master/taskflow/tests/unit/test_engines.py#L753 (and many others) | 01:42 |
| lifeless | dims: I am, I'm pasting from my local copy | 01:42 |
| lifeless | harlowja: right, but this is specifically about testing interactions with consumers | 01:43 |
| harlowja | k | 01:43 |
| * dims wearing my chauffeur hat, back in a bit. pick up kid from a lego group thingy | 01:43 | |
| lifeless | .oO lego group. nice. | 01:43 |
| harlowja | i want a lego group :-/ | 01:43 |
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| dims | :) they have a big mindstorm competition coming up! | 01:46 |
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| lifeless | dims: backwards compat spec revised | 02:03 |
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| dims | +1 lifeless | 02:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | ChangBo Guo(gcb) proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Use inspect.getcallargs directly https://review.openstack.org/252364 | 12:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/pycadf: relax id validation https://review.openstack.org/252183 | 13:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed openstack/pycadf: relax id validation https://review.openstack.org/252183 | 13:19 |
| gordc | jamespage: would you know the status of this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aodh/+bug/1513599 | 13:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513599 in aodh (Ubuntu) "Missing option in api_paste.ini breaks keystone middleware" [Undecided,New] | 13:26 |
| gordc | or point me to someone who might know :) | 13:26 |
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| dims | sileht : ozamiatin_ : we need this to avoid breaking cinder/neutron/ceilometer unit tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252088/ | 14:03 |
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| dims | sileht : ozamiatin_ : please take a look when you get a chance | 14:03 |
| ozamiatin_ | dims: looking | 14:03 |
| sileht | dims, good thx :) | 14:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Oleksii Zamiatin proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Support older notifications set_override keys https://review.openstack.org/252088 | 14:05 |
| sileht | dims, I have also this one for you https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252351/ | 14:05 |
| dims | sileht : ouch, let me grab some coffee and look | 14:06 |
| sileht | dims, thx | 14:06 |
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| ozamiatin_ | dims: I pushed rebase button and bug has assigned to me ... and I can't reassign it back thats crazy :) | 14:16 |
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| ozamiatin_ | dims: sorry for stolen bug) | 14:21 |
| dims | ozamiatin_ : it's all good. no worries | 14:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ryan Rossiter proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Add testing for ObjectVersionChecker fixture https://review.openstack.org/252092 | 14:49 |
| lxsli | ozamiatin_: yeah this is normal, I stopped caring, usually there's another patchset and the original owner reclaims that way | 14:49 |
| rlrossit | dansmith: ^^ | 14:50 |
| rlrossit | sorry it's a little long :( | 14:50 |
| dansmith | rlrossit: cool, I'll look | 14:50 |
| lxsli | someone likes pokemon | 14:51 |
| rlrossit | :) | 14:51 |
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| bknudson | dims: want to take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252183/ ? would be nice to get this in for projects that are broken (like keystone) | 15:25 |
| dims | bknudson : looking | 15:27 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: point release time for pycadf? | 15:40 |
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| bknudson | stevemar: once https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252183/ merges | 15:41 |
| stevemar | bknudson: we can deal with warnings later i guess: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252182/1 | 15:41 |
| stevemar | bknudson: i'll submit a patch to releases... | 15:41 |
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| bknudson | stevemar: maybe in keystone we need to do like uuid.uuid5(RESOURCE_ID_NAMESPACE, value) for the initiator ID | 15:43 |
| stevemar | yeah, what's the value of RESOURCE_ID_NAMESPACE though? | 15:43 |
| bknudson | stevemar: looks like they just generated a uuid at one time https://github.com/openstack/gnocchi/blob/master/gnocchi/utils.py#L28 | 15:44 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: that seems messed up | 15:44 |
| stevemar | i'd rather hope that the shadow user table is in | 15:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/futurist: Allow for providing different run work sync functions https://review.openstack.org/238272 | 16:29 |
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| harlowja | dims i'd still like to figure out the 'best-of-breed' part for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229194/ | 19:13 |
| harlowja | whether thats me or someone else it doesn't matter :-P | 19:13 |
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| harlowja | mhorban is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/239558/ still needed in your view? | 19:23 |
| * harlowja isn't up to date on the current state of the world there after all the summit course changes and such | 19:23 | |
| harlowja | to many discussions, not sure where that is all going (in regard to reloading... blah blah) | 19:24 |
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| harlowja | jaypipes yt, have u got anytime to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210549 | 19:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: [WIP] setUp/tearDown decorator to prevent recursion https://review.openstack.org/252573 | 19:43 |
| harlowja | seems like that spec and others with similar thinking can unify beyond say perhaps that one :-P | 19:43 |
| jaypipes | harlowja: will try. | 19:44 |
| harlowja | thx boss | 19:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: setUp/tearDown decorator to prevent recursion https://review.openstack.org/252573 | 20:22 |
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| fhermeni | hello | 20:47 |
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| fhermeni | harlowja: I replied to your comment but I did not receive any confirmation mail. Does gerrit mail us when we comment a commit ? | 20:50 |
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| sigmavirus24 | fhermeni: gerrit only emails other people on the review | 21:35 |
| fhermeni | sigmavirus24: k thanks for the info | 21:35 |
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| harlowja | fhermeni sometimes, most go to my spam folder since i got to many, sooo i just lazily go through them | 22:07 |
| fhermeni | harlowja: no worry I was not complaining about you. Just worrying about the fact I didn’t get a mail about my modification but it makes sense | 22:08 |
| harlowja | :-P | 22:08 |
| harlowja | thats cool | 22:08 |
| harlowja | i complain about myself to | 22:08 |
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| harlowja | fhermeni did u press the publish comments button, i don't see any replies on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210549 | 22:09 |
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| harlowja | if thats what u are talking about | 22:10 |
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| harlowja | (which i think it is) | 22:10 |
| fhermeni | harlowja: damn’ | 22:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: setUp/tearDown decorator to prevent recursion https://review.openstack.org/252573 | 22:12 |
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| harlowja | fhermeni :) | 22:15 |
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| SpamapS | harlowja: hey, I was looking at the zmq oslo.messaging driver and wondering how hard it might be to make a tooz matchmaker. | 22:38 |
| harlowja | imho easy | 22:39 |
| SpamapS | Yeah, it's a little wonky because the matchmaker API wants to be able to set _any_ member ID, not just "my" host. | 22:39 |
| harlowja | vilobhmm11 has some expertise in that, since he was going to do the same with tooz + servicegroups (nova concept) and the matchmaker concept afaik is the same | 22:39 |
| SpamapS | so you end up having to create a new coordinator object for every registered host | 22:39 |
| SpamapS | but that's meh | 22:40 |
| harlowja | crappy api be crappy? | 22:40 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:40 |
| harlowja | (obviously, ha) | 22:40 |
| SpamapS | yeah I think that's just the API being too flexible | 22:40 |
| SpamapS | I can't imagine when you'd ever need one host to register another. | 22:40 |
| harlowja | the servicegroup one in nova is similarily wonky imho | 22:40 |
| harlowja | vilobhmm11 knows more than he probably wants to know about that wonkyness :-P | 22:40 |
| vilobhmm11 | :P | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | Looking through the bug list, I also couldn't find the "secure zmq messaging" bug that I swore I saw on the screen | 22:41 |
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| harlowja | your browser must be wonky | 22:41 |
| harlowja | everything is wonky | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | wonk this | 22:41 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:41 |
| vilobhmm11 | SpamapS : atleast for the consul driver harlowja and I was discussing this the other day and as implemented in the patch we will have one co-ordinator per host | 22:42 |
| harlowja | ? | 22:43 |
| harlowja | i forget, can u describe that again vilobhmm11 | 22:43 |
| harlowja | one agent per host? | 22:43 |
| vilobhmm11 | harlowja : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245362/10/tooz/drivers/consul.py #165 | 22:44 |
| harlowja | that just requires a unique node | 22:44 |
| harlowja | from my limited understanding | 22:44 |
| harlowja | how does that limit to one coordinator per host? | 22:44 |
| harlowja | node is just some string? | 22:45 |
| vilobhmm11 | I was assuming host = node | 22:45 |
| harlowja | is node == member_id ? | 22:45 |
| vilobhmm11 | host =no de= agent | 22:45 |
| harlowja | why assume that? | 22:45 |
| vilobhmm11 | node is the agent-name IMHO | 22:46 |
| harlowja | is that required? | 22:46 |
| vilobhmm11 | yes | 22:46 |
| harlowja | or is that just what u think it should be? | 22:46 |
| harlowja | ok, hmmm | 22:46 |
| harlowja | there is no other way to do that? | 22:46 |
| vilobhmm11 | I tried it even in my 2 node consul cluster | 22:46 |
| harlowja | sorta limits creating coordinators | 22:46 |
| vilobhmm11 | whats the problem with doing so ? | 22:46 |
| vilobhmm11 | ok | 22:46 |
| harlowja | how do people using tooz even know that info :-P | 22:46 |
| harlowja | and u have 3 (distinct things) using tooz say in some app, how do u ensure they all get the same coordinator... | 22:47 |
| harlowja | ^ for example | 22:47 |
| harlowja | just makings this coordinator unique if thats what node is | 22:47 |
| harlowja | the rest of the coordinators just care about some member_id u give them, and some way to connect to a backend somewhere | 22:48 |
| harlowja | (via the url/kwargs that u give to get_coordinator) | 22:48 |
| harlowja | sooo just saying, maybe there is no other option (idk, not consul expert) | 22:48 |
| harlowja | but just something to ponder about.. | 22:49 |
| * harlowja doesn't have the answer, just stating the behavior that i think people assume when using tooz | 22:50 | |
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| harlowja | vilobhmm11 if someone does the following is this ok | 22:54 |
| harlowja | c = coordination.get_coordinator("me1", node="my-agent") | 22:55 |
| harlowja | d = coordination.get_coordinator("me2", node="my-agent") | 22:55 |
| harlowja | does that work as expected? | 22:55 |
| harlowja | (ine that its 2 different coordinators) | 22:55 |
| harlowja | *in | 22:55 |
| harlowja | (both using the same agent...) | 22:55 |
| vilobhmm11 | harlowja : IMHO defining what the group means in consul driver context is the main question… n consul case right now its creating a coordinator per session which is wrong IMHO…so above it will create 2 coordinator | 22:57 |
| harlowja | well thats expected | 22:58 |
| harlowja | its two different coordinators right vilobhmm11 one 'me1' one 'me2', two different enties | 22:59 |
| harlowja | imho c and d should operate in the same process just like they would operate on different processses on different boxes | 22:59 |
| harlowja | but idk how that affects consul | 23:00 |
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| SpamapS | hm | 23:07 |
| SpamapS | I read what you guys are writing | 23:07 |
| SpamapS | and I have no idea what it means | 23:07 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:09 |
| harlowja | u'll get it eventually | 23:09 |
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| SpamapS | yeah but I'm having to re-read the code to get it | 23:09 |
| SpamapS | :-p | 23:09 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:09 |
| harlowja | welcome to the ground solider | 23:09 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:09 |
| SpamapS | what you said about coordinators... | 23:10 |
| SpamapS | member_id will be the session id | 23:10 |
| SpamapS | so you're saying if you make two member id's, they should block eachother. I agree. | 23:10 |
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| harlowja | yes, in the same app | 23:11 |
| harlowja | *using the same (agent?) | 23:11 |
| SpamapS | right, but thats not how the driver is written now | 23:11 |
| SpamapS | and btw, that should be a test | 23:11 |
| harlowja | there likely is one | 23:11 |
| SpamapS | not one that is run in the check queue of tooz | 23:12 |
| harlowja | i'm pretty sure the consul stuff isn't getting tested there, for whatever reason | 23:12 |
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| harlowja | https://github.com/openstack/tooz/blob/master/tooz/tests/test_coordination.py#L197 (two coords) | 23:12 |
| harlowja | few others i think have > 1 coord | 23:12 |
| SpamapS | ah thats why | 23:13 |
| harlowja | ya, something weird is making it pass, vilobhmm11 i think was going to investigate | 23:13 |
| harlowja | it really shouldn't be passing, ha | 23:13 |
| harlowja | especially if it gets added to https://github.com/openstack/tooz/blob/master/tooz/tests/test_coordination.py#L45 | 23:13 |
| SpamapS | btw it's really annoying that get_coordinator is (url, member_id) but the drivers are (member_id, url) | 23:13 |
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| SpamapS | messes up my brain every time | 23:13 |
| harlowja | hmmm, not sure if i did that, i'm gonna blame jd__ | 23:14 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:14 |
| SpamapS | aha | 23:14 |
| SpamapS | consul driver doesn't even use member_id | 23:14 |
| harlowja | it must be a french thing | 23:14 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:14 |
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| SpamapS | instead it uses an option named 'session' | 23:14 |
| SpamapS | so that's the fix there | 23:14 |
| harlowja | is that all thats needed? not sure | 23:14 |
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| harlowja | vilobhmm11 was pondering pretty heavily when i last looked over | 23:15 |
| harlowja | still looks in pondering mode | 23:15 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:15 |
| SpamapS | yes I think that's what is needed | 23:15 |
| SpamapS | where it does session.create | 23:16 |
| SpamapS | instead of using self._session_name, use self._member_id | 23:16 |
| harlowja | k | 23:16 |
| harlowja | if u say so | 23:16 |
| SpamapS | looks like that is just a description | 23:17 |
| SpamapS | _every_ coordinator object will get a unique session regardless | 23:17 |
| SpamapS | _start() creates a session, and consul won't care | 23:17 |
| vilobhmm11 | so does that boil down to #of coordinators = #of session created since now in consul case we have member=session | 23:18 |
| vilobhmm11 | SpamapS, harlowja : ^^ | 23:18 |
| SpamapS | vilobhmm11: actually member_id isn't needed, but it should be used in the name | 23:18 |
| SpamapS | vilobhmm11: that will help the administrator identify the session | 23:19 |
| SpamapS | Node<->Session is 1:N | 23:19 |
| vilobhmm11 | agree | 23:20 |
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| vilobhmm11 | about the 1:N mapping…but not sure is it ok to have N coordinators harlowja please let us know | 23:20 |
| harlowja | tooz as a library can't answer that question :-P | 23:20 |
| vilobhmm11 | :P | 23:20 |
| harlowja | it provides get_coordinator, giving back coordinator objects for each requested coordinator | 23:21 |
| harlowja | if i ask for 10 coordinators with 10 different member_ids i expected 10 different coordinators | 23:21 |
| harlowja | thats just the get_coordinator api | 23:21 |
| harlowja | if people make 1 trillion (N+++++) coordinators in there app, thats there choice | 23:22 |
| vilobhmm11 | alrite | 23:22 |
| harlowja | i wouldn't recommend it, but not my choice | 23:22 |
| SpamapS | I can see having two conceptual things contend for the same thing in one process/thread | 23:23 |
| SpamapS | sounds like a recipe for deadlock.. but I could see it | 23:23 |
| harlowja | yup | 23:23 |
| harlowja | i can see it to | 23:23 |
| harlowja | we both are having the same vision | 23:23 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:23 |
| harlowja | but as tooz devs, people can blow there shoes off in lots of ways, just gotta hopefully guide people to not do that... | 23:23 |
| harlowja | *shoes/feet | 23:24 |
| harlowja | lol | 23:24 |
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| vilobhmm11 | harlowja, SpamapS : so takeaway from the discussion…1) member_id can be used as session name; no need for extra session param…2) we will have 1:N (Node:Session/Coordinators)…3) add other methods in the driver 4) check the tests… | 23:27 |
| harlowja | seems fair to me | 23:27 |
| vilobhmm11 | let me know if i missed something | 23:27 |
| vilobhmm11 | cool | 23:27 |
| harlowja | 5) save the world | 23:27 |
| vilobhmm11 | :P | 23:27 |
| vilobhmm11 | that you are already doing harlowja :) | 23:28 |
| harlowja | i'm delegating, ha | 23:28 |
| vilobhmm11 | haha | 23:28 |
| SpamapS | vilobhmm11: correct :) | 23:32 |
| SpamapS | vilobhmm11: note my comment about agent.self too | 23:32 |
| SpamapS | vilobhmm11: This is one of those things where you need to provide guidance on how to use Consul. | 23:32 |
| SpamapS | vilobhmm11: my understanding of Consul is that the agent is meant to run on every node. | 23:33 |
| SpamapS | vilobhmm11: so usually, agent<->node is 1:1 | 23:33 |
| SpamapS | so I kind of feel like the 'node' parameter should be optional, and if it isn't set, agent.self is used. | 23:33 |
| SpamapS | (it would be needed in the event that users didn't want to run consul agent on every box, but did want to use a cluster of consul agents for tooz backending | 23:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: [WIP] setUp/tearDown decorator to prevent recursion https://review.openstack.org/252573 | 23:37 |
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| vilobhmm11 | SpamapS : sure…thanks for the feedback…jfyi, there are 2 kinds of agents server and client….server is like the leader and client are follower ; agents make the ensemble (from the zookeeper world)…so yes agent is meant to run on every node…atleast that what I have come accross and experimented with the 2 node setup i have.. | 23:41 |
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| SpamapS | vilobhmm11: Right, point being, when you configure nova for group membership, you're not giving it server addresses.. you're just telling it to talk to the local agents.. and telling the local agents to join the servers yes? | 23:44 |
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| vilobhmm11 | Spamap : yes if they have not already joined | 23:47 |
| vilobhmm11 | all it needs is the coordination.backend_url which represents the servers IMHO | 23:50 |
| harlowja | SpamapS in zookeeper driver case u would have to give it the server(s) if there are multiple of them (i think it defaults to localhost:2181 if none are provided) | 23:52 |
| harlowja | but for > 1 u gotta give that info | 23:52 |
| harlowja | unless u setup another zookeeper with service discovery information about the other zookeeper, lol | 23:52 |
| harlowja | *mind blown* | 23:53 |
| SpamapS | harlowja: right, zk has a different model. :) | 23:54 |
| harlowja | righty | 23:55 |
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