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| haypo | hey reviewers, could you please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250863/ "Support Unicode request_id on Python 3". this change is required to fix an ugly bug in oslo.log on python 3 | 10:10 |
| haypo | it's a change for oslo.middleware. the same change was already merged in glance ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250845/ ) and neutron ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250853/ ) | 10:11 |
| haypo | it's fun. usually, oslo is faster than other projects ;) | 10:11 |
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| dims | jd__ : this look good? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250585/ | 11:19 |
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| haypo | dims, jd__ : i approved https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250585/ i like breaking things, ha ha (sorry, i'm kidding, it should not break anything, see my comment if you want) | 11:26 |
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| lxsli | what's the i18n story for oslo.config? is it just too early in the boot sequence to have one? | 11:41 |
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| dims | lxsli : the dependency diagrams get very hairy, so some of the earliest libraries in the chain like config/i18n do not have interdependencies. do you really see a need for it? | 11:46 |
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| lxsli | dims: just asking if I need to _LE things really | 11:48 |
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| lxsli | as an Englishman I feel that other languages are unnecessary ;) | 11:53 |
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| dims | lxsli : haha | 12:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.config: Add 'mutable' param to Opt https://review.openstack.org/251471 | 13:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.config: Add 'mutable' param to Opt https://review.openstack.org/251471 | 14:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexis Lee proposed openstack/oslo.config: Add 'mutable' param to Opt https://review.openstack.org/251471 | 14:05 |
| lxsli | dhellmann: I think I've finished butchering that patch series now... | 14:05 |
| lxsli | at your leisure | 14:06 |
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| dhellmann | lxsli :-) | 14:30 |
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| haypo | dhellmann: hi. about backward compatibility, does liberty cap dependencies to not get backward incompatible changes in releases of oslo libraries? | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | haypo : no. we can add exclusions, but it's better to try to not need to do that. | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | haypo : you should look through https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | that's lifeless' spec on library compatibility | 14:33 |
| haypo | hum, spec not accepted yet :) | 14:34 |
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| dhellmann | haypo : no, but you should be involved in the discussion | 14:47 |
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| haypo | dhellmann: "we can add exclusions, but it's better to try to not need to do that" i want to explicitly breaks oslo.context on python 3 | 14:52 |
| haypo | dhellmann: do you mean that it's better to backport changes to support this change in glance, neutron & oslo.middleware, than block the oslo.context dependency update? | 14:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: doc: explain rpc call/cast expection https://review.openstack.org/251904 | 14:53 |
| dhellmann | it's best to not break things at all, but it's possible to exclude the breaking versions from the stable branches if we have to. | 14:53 |
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| dhellmann | haypo : in your case, you could add a new attribute with the right type, then update apps to require the version of the lib that adds that attribute and have them use it instead of the old one. The old attribute would still be there, so nothing would break. | 14:55 |
| haypo | i really dislike having two attributes | 14:55 |
| haypo | one attribute known to have a bug, and another one with funky name which is supposed to be the obvious good attribute | 14:56 |
| haypo | request_id_take_me_i_work_well_python3 | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | the only alternative is the pain of breaking things, and every time we do that we increase the number of people who don't want to use oslo libs at all | 14:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslosphinx: trap errors from git not being present https://review.openstack.org/251955 | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | zigo : ^^ | 16:40 |
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| lxsli | ^^ LGTM | 17:20 |
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| harlowja_at_home | sdague, ummm, i'm no concerned about cinder and thinking its a queue :-/ | 17:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | *im now | 17:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | DuncanT, | 17:43 |
| harlowja_at_home | ^ | 17:43 |
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| sdague | so, I don't think it's really a queue in anyone's head. I've yet to see it be more than 2 actions | 17:45 |
| sdague | 2 actions isn't really a queue | 17:45 |
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| harlowja_at_home | ya, i guess there is some confusion on whats a queue and whats not here | 17:46 |
| harlowja_at_home | because there's no queuing in that lock file impl... | 17:47 |
| sdague | with the blocked opens? | 17:47 |
| sdague | doesn't the kernel process them in order? | 17:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | the open isn't the actual lock part | 17:47 |
| harlowja_at_home | the open is just getting a file descriptor number that is used later | 17:47 |
| sdague | ok, that's fair | 17:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | https://github.com/harlowja/fasteners/blob/master/fasteners/process_lock.py#L226 is the real locking | 17:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | which really just uses the fileno() of the file descriptor handle passed in | 17:48 |
| harlowja_at_home | fcntl.LOCK_NB | 17:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | if we take that out, it might be in order (not sure) | 17:49 |
| sdague | anyway, did you consider doing this without fds? the open calls I suggested in there? | 17:49 |
| sdague | because for things like the volume locks by uuid, or the image cache locks to prevent corruptions, deleting the locks later would be kind of nice | 17:49 |
| harlowja_at_home | well u gotta open it to call fcntl, i think u are just saying close it and reopen it later? | 17:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | without fds, u'd be spinning on the file existing? | 17:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | (which wouldn't be crash tolerant) | 17:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | *pylockfile did/does stuff like that | 17:50 |
| harlowja_at_home | sacrifies crash tolerance (the os will release locks automagically on crash) | 17:51 |
| harlowja_at_home | bbl, heading to workland | 17:51 |
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| DuncanT | Sorry, I over-thought the queuing behaviour. We aren't relying on any order of acquiring beyond 2 entries, please ignore my comment | 17:53 |
| sdague | harlowja: put the pid in the file, cleanup on startup | 17:54 |
| sdague | I do get the crash tolerance point | 17:54 |
| DuncanT | sdague: More than one process is trying to grab the lock, that's the point | 17:54 |
| sdague | DuncanT: typically it's more than one worker off the same service | 17:55 |
| DuncanT | sdague: Definitely not for cinder in all cases | 17:55 |
| sdague | DuncanT: ok | 17:55 |
| sdague | well, maybe we need another class of external locks that act this way | 17:55 |
| DuncanT | What about trying sysv locks? | 17:56 |
| sdague | when that's what you want | 17:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.privsep: Add support for Linux capabilities https://review.openstack.org/244984 | 18:12 |
| lifeless | haypo: -> #openstack-glance? | 18:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.config: Revert "Add 'mutable' param to Opt" https://review.openstack.org/251792 | 18:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.policy: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/251660 | 18:41 |
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| harlowja | sdague DuncanT so we can do that, if we are willing to sacrifice the crash tolerant behavior | 18:55 |
| harlowja | *pid locks... | 18:55 |
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| harlowja | DuncanT sysv locks, like IPC locks? those afaik are even worse, ha | 18:55 |
| harlowja | tooz has them | 18:55 |
| harlowja | if u really want to use them | 18:55 |
| harlowja | but i wouldn't really recommend, imho they basically degrade down to the same stuff we are doing already | 18:55 |
| harlowja | https://github.com/openstack/tooz/blob/master/tooz/drivers/ipc.py DuncanT if u so desire, i can explain the what/why there (since i took part in that code) along with jd__ | 18:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Add ability to use tooz to find and advertise workers https://review.openstack.org/151495 | 19:18 |
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| dhellmann | dougwig : sorry I missed your question yesterday. Each project that has its own message catalog needs to have its own _i18n.py to configure and load the correct catalog. So in every neutron repo that has translations, the code should also include its own _i18n.py. Make sense? | 19:39 |
| nihilifer | dhellmann: could you please take a look at this review when you'll have a time? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244459/ it was rebased after your last +2 | 19:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Add programatic introspection of drivers model(s) https://review.openstack.org/240681 | 19:44 |
| dhellmann | nihilifer : +2a | 19:47 |
| nihilifer | dhellmann: thank you | 19:47 |
| dims | sirushti : does this look good now? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181165/ i updated to address sdague's latest comment | 19:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/pycadf: make generate_uuid return valid uuid https://review.openstack.org/240979 | 20:10 |
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| inc0 | hey guys, I need your help with this one. So I'm playing with rsyslog | 20:13 |
| inc0 | if I run nova-conductor with old-style rsyslog logging (so use_rsyslog=true) | 20:13 |
| inc0 | I get most of logs to rsyslog, but funny thing - I don't get tracebacks | 20:13 |
| inc0 | just error messages | 20:14 |
| inc0 | (I stop rabbit, it shows me just conn refused in rsyslog, where stderr has full traceback) | 20:14 |
| inc0 | then if I switch to logging.conf, I can't even get errors after turning off rabbit anywhere | 20:15 |
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| inc0 | thats my logging.conf http://paste.openstack.org/show/480558/ | 20:15 |
| dougwig | dhellmann: yes. to restate for neutron, to make sure i'm hearing it right: in the case of neutron, where we have lib that will release separately from server, those should be separate (neutron-lib and neutron.) in the case of networking-{vendor} repos, we likely don't want the community localizing those, so i'd expect that to be separate. and for | 20:16 |
| dougwig | lbaas/fw/vpn, it's fine if they share as in the past, but longer-term, i'd expect those to separate out as they naturally separate out from neutron. is that correct? | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | dougwig : it depends more on whether the deliverable includes separate message catalog than how the code is put together at runtime | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | so if neutron-lib has a message catalog, it needs to use its own _i18n.py | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | same for networking-*, if those are being translated | 20:17 |
| inc0 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/480559/ <- nova.conf, changing line 5 changes behaviour | 20:18 |
| dougwig | dhellmann: ok. so i've got lib separate, and I did this for neutron, which allows going either direction by the other subprojects (though with an opinionated log, which I could tone down): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250071/ | 20:18 |
| inc0 | is this my misconfiguration or there is a bug? (I'm fairly sure first option is buggy, but can this be fixed by changing logging.conf?) | 20:19 |
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| dhellmann | dougwig : that looks pretty good. I'm not sure "internal oslo_i18n usage" is the clearest way to say that, but if the other neutron devs know what that means it's fine with me | 20:20 |
| dougwig | dhellmann: will tweak, and thank you. | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | inc0 : I don't see any oslo loggers defined in that logging.conf | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | dougwig : np, any time! | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | inc0 : I guess the root logger should be sending output for errors, if it's set to warning like that | 20:22 |
| inc0 | dhellmann, well it's almost straight from nova example, maybe it's prudent to add these to example there | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | inc0 : I would have to look, but I think if you provide a logging.conf that overrides any other settings related to logging | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | so you would need to set up your logging.conf to use the syslog logger, instead of writing to a file | 20:23 |
| inc0 | dhellmann, after changing root to syslog, it works like in first example | 20:23 |
| inc0 | so errors, not tracebacks | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | ok | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | I don't know what the syslog logger does with tracebacks | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | it may turn them into 1 line error messages, for example. Does syslog support multi-line messages? | 20:25 |
| haypo | lifeless: "19:14 < lifeless> haypo: -> #openstack-glance?" what? | 20:25 |
| inc0 | dhellmann, well, not sure, it should tho | 20:25 |
| inc0 | after changing root to stderr, it shows full traceback, so it's issue with oslo.log -> rsyslog communication | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | inc0 : which syslog handler are you using? | 20:27 |
| inc0 | oslo_log.handlers.OSSyslogHandler | 20:27 |
| lifeless | haypo: to discuss the glance race ? | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | inc0 : looking at the implementation, I can't tell if it should be including the full traceback or not. it calls getMessage() for the record, but I don't know if that includes the exception information or just the message | 20:31 |
| inc0 | it seems it loses traceback info | 20:32 |
| inc0 | to me | 20:32 |
| inc0 | I've tried to play with rsyslog conf, but that doesn't seem to be working | 20:32 |
| inc0 | I'll pop a bug for that | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | yeah, looking at /usr/lib/python2.7/logging/__init__.py getMessage does not include the exception information so I think we need to do that ourselves in our handler | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | in fact we should probably just invoke the formatter instead of doing the work ourselves | 20:34 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: dims: requirements patches for pylint capping need approvals | 20:34 |
| inc0 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.log/+bug/1514828 there is a bug reported, I'll reopen it and add more info | 20:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1514828 in oslo.log "tracebacks are not logged to syslog" [Undecided,Invalid] | 20:34 |
| lifeless | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/Iaf2c5dbb92cacbc236083f8f6926a426bfb28f21,n,z | 20:34 |
| dims | lifeless ack | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | inc0 : thanks! | 20:35 |
| dhellmann | lifeless : +2a on 2, 2 others are failing jobs? | 20:36 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: yah, need to dig into why (or let stable teams do it) | 20:37 |
| lifeless | I suspect the liberty one is a neutron flaky issue | 20:38 |
| lifeless | since its in neutron-dsvm-full | 20:38 |
| * dhellmann nods | 20:39 | |
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| mc_nair | harlowja: so I'm not against moving to the file-offset locks so we don't need cleanup, just can't tell if people would be ok with making the larger changes for the relatively small lock-cleanup issue (plus we can't see the locks and have the possibility of lock hash-collisions, though I understand that would be pretty small depending on file size). But if we're just looking for a simple/efficient way to cleanup locks which are no longer being used (s | 20:46 |
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| haypo | dhellmann: "every time we do that we increase the number of people who don't want to use oslo libs at all" it's not completly clear to me what is the impact of my change | 20:46 |
| harlowja | mc_nair agreed, there are tradeoff with all the ways/solutions/resolutions here | 20:46 |
| harlowja | there is no silver magic bullet imho | 20:47 |
| haypo | dhellmann: it breaks the API but only on Python 3. and i'm not aware of any openstack deployed with python 3. i cannot imagine any deployement using python 3, since all services are major blocker issues on python 3 | 20:47 |
| haypo | dhellmann: what i know is that there is a risk of breaking gates | 20:47 |
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| haypo | lifeless: i'm reading your spec "Backwards compatibility for clients and libraries" :) | 20:48 |
| harlowja | mc_nair the hard part is its not just 'used' its being 'waited on' | 20:48 |
| harlowja | lsof i think can tell u who is using it | 20:48 |
| harlowja | but not who is waiting on it being freed... | 20:48 |
| harlowja | and then there can be pidfiles like sdague suggested (pylockfile has those at https://github.com/openstack/pylockfile/blob/master/lockfile/pidlockfile.py ) that have there own advantages/disadvantges... | 20:49 |
| harlowja | i don't think there will be a magic bullet that will work for everyone though | 20:49 |
| harlowja | (but at least this whole thread makes people think about it... because I don't know a single solution for all) | 20:50 |
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| lifeless | haypo: good the meeting about it is in 10m :) | 20:51 |
| haypo | lifeless: which meeting? | 20:52 |
| lifeless | cross project meeting | 20:52 |
| * harlowja should get that meeting on his calendar | 20:52 | |
| haypo | lifeless: ah ok. liberty doesn't seem to cap major versions of oslo packages | 20:52 |
| dims | haypo : there's no cap by design | 20:53 |
| lifeless | haypo: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/080871.html | 20:53 |
| haypo | hum, the spec says "Use semver to signal compatibility breaks" | 20:53 |
| lifeless | haypo: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/requirements-management.html | 20:54 |
| haypo | dims, lifeless : ah yes, there is the upper-constraints.txt thing :) it's still oslo.context 0.8 for example in upper-contraints.txt of liberty | 20:56 |
| mc_nair | harlowja: yea, no silver bullet :/ my thought with that patch is that it should account for the 'used' and 'waited on' (at least in Cinder) because it has a delay built in so after deleting a resource, anything waiting on it can clear through the pipe before deleting locks. And after that we won't try to grab the lock for the deleted resource (in Cinder at least) | 21:00 |
| mc_nair | harlowja: but yea, the discussion has been interesting. I'll wait another few days to see if anything substantial happens in the M/L on this otherwise probably move forward with that patch at least for Cinder since it seems to be at least the most inline with current process | 21:01 |
| harlowja | fair enough | 21:02 |
| haypo | lifeless, dims : i need help to understand the risk of breaking python3 gates if oslo.context breaks the Python 3 API | 21:04 |
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| haypo | will the CI immmediatly use the new released oslo.context version? i know that some jobs are using upper-constaints.txt, but not all of them | 21:04 |
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| lifeless | dims: so the incubator spec | 21:23 |
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| lifeless | dims: how/where should we get more bw to discuss, I can't make the US-Europe friendly time of the olso meeting | 21:23 |
| lifeless | haypo: so, what you need to do is run the relevant gate jobs using your patched oslo.context and see what happens | 21:24 |
| lifeless | haypo: we don't yet have appropriate backwards-compat jobs set up to do this | 21:24 |
| lifeless | haypo: if you've done that and nothing broke - great. | 21:24 |
| haypo | lifeless: what is the "relevant gate jobs"? :-) i don't know which tests will fail with my change | 21:25 |
| lifeless | haypo: if you've had to make changes in projects to make them work, you are definitely breaking things :0 | 21:25 |
| haypo | lifeless: well, i found some tests which i know fail, i fixed them in master | 21:25 |
| lifeless | haypo: all the jobs that execute that code | 21:25 |
| lifeless | haypo: at a minimum you need to backport those changes to liberty | 21:25 |
| haypo | lifeless: but it's hard to run *all* tests of *all* openstack projects :-/ | 21:25 |
| haypo | "at a minimum you need to backport those changes to liberty" yeah, i will do that | 21:25 |
| lifeless | haypo: and we may also end up breaking third party things that folk have built on the library | 21:25 |
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| lifeless | haypo: e.g. stuff thats not in dsvm jobs but is in the big tent, or even stuff that folk have written as value-add for openstack but not opened | 21:26 |
| lifeless | haypo: its *really* hard to quantify the risks | 21:26 |
| lifeless | haypo: other than that we know (because you found it) that we're breaking people | 21:26 |
| lifeless | zzzeek: ping | 21:26 |
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