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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Speed up memory backend via a path -> node reverse mapping https://review.openstack.org/180373 | 01:23 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/pbr: Issue #1451976: handle commits with non-utf8 text https://review.openstack.org/180265 | 04:20 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Deprecate upgrade (that now is moved to initialize) https://review.openstack.org/180351 | 05:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Angus Lees proposed openstack/oslo.db: Test that concurrent sqlalchemy transactions don't block https://review.openstack.org/104436 | 05:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Speed up memory backend via a path -> node reverse mapping https://review.openstack.org/180373 | 06:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Speed up memory backend via a path -> node reverse mapping https://review.openstack.org/180373 | 06:18 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.utils: Add exception_to_unicode() function https://review.openstack.org/163507 | 06:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Rick van de Loo proposed openstack/taskflow: Allow same deps for requires and provides in task https://review.openstack.org/180431 | 08:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: deprecate usage of transport aliases https://review.openstack.org/180434 | 08:10 |
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zqfan | hi, I come across an issue about MultiStrOpt, this type of config option seems cannot handled by crudini. Is there any way migrate this type to ListOpt and keep backward compatibility? | 09:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tooz: Expose memcache coord. class constants https://review.openstack.org/179963 | 09:05 |
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openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: rabbit: fixes a logging issue https://review.openstack.org/180453 | 09:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tooz: Expose redis client class constants https://review.openstack.org/179551 | 09:59 |
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rakhmerov | hi, can anybody consult me on pbr? | 11:43 |
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viktors | sileht: hi! | 12:30 |
sileht | viktors, hi | 12:31 |
sileht | lets me bet, oslo.msg ? | 12:31 |
viktors | sileht: wow! :) | 12:31 |
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sileht | :) | 12:31 |
viktors | yes, I wanted to ask you about amqpdriver - why do we need to call self._send_reply() twice at https://github.com/openstack/oslo.messaging/blob/master/oslo_messaging/_drivers/amqpdriver.py#L74-L75 ? | 12:33 |
sileht | viktors, good questions I have no clue, it looks like we don't trust the underlying driver and send a message to be sure or something like that | 12:34 |
viktors | hm, ok | 12:34 |
viktors | sileht: also I see an old abandoned patch, which removed second _send_reply() call - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112669/ | 12:34 |
viktors | is it a sense to continue this work? | 12:35 |
sileht | viktors, no | 12:35 |
viktors | sileht, why? | 12:36 |
sileht | viktors, the ReplyWaiters have been updated to use a thread instead of wierd code we have before | 12:36 |
sileht | viktors, but we can remove the second call of _send_reply I thinks | 12:36 |
viktors | sileht: I'm just trying to get the reason of this call at first | 12:37 |
sileht | viktors, i means using replacing the thread that handle replies by futures is a waste of time, remove the second _send_reply is not, if we could figure why that exists | 12:37 |
viktors | sileht: ok, I'll try to instigate this | 12:38 |
viktors | can I ask someone else about this? | 12:38 |
sileht | viktors, the only guys that have worked on that is markmc, but it have not work on openstack code since a while now, so no really :( | 12:39 |
sileht | viktors, only 'git log' and me are your friends | 12:40 |
viktors | sileht: got it, thanks! | 12:41 |
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rakhmerov | guys, do you know who is the best person to talk to on pbr? | 12:44 |
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sileht | viktors, I got it I think, we can remove it ! | 12:52 |
viktors | sileht: that's cool! | 12:52 |
viktors | sileht: I'll land a patch, if you don't mind | 12:52 |
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sileht | viktors, https://github.com/openstack/oslo-incubator/blob/stable/icehouse/openstack/common/rpc/amqp.py#L464 | 12:53 |
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sileht | viktors, yeah that old :p | 12:53 |
viktors | brrr... | 12:54 |
sileht | viktors, before 'reply' allows generator as payload to send multiple messages on one 'rpc.call' | 12:54 |
viktors | aha | 12:54 |
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sileht | viktors, but this is no more possible | 12:54 |
sileht | viktors, I think we need that for backward compat | 12:55 |
sileht | viktors, so if you want to remove it, that will be long tasks, with deprecation stuff and oc :) | 12:55 |
viktors | sileht: so another projects expect for a such behavior? I supposed, that this is an internal stuff... | 12:57 |
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sileht | viktors, but if we remove it we must handle the case of the previous oslo.msg version talk with the new one | 12:58 |
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sileht | viktors, that looks more tricky that I have though at the first glance :( | 12:59 |
viktors | sileht: anyway, IMO it may be a good idea - to reduce amount of RPC calls | 13:01 |
sileht | viktors, sure | 13:01 |
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viktors | sileht: so I'll try and ping you, when I'll have some results | 13:02 |
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sileht | viktors, cool thanks a lot !, it's not everyday that people try to dig in oslo.msg :p | 13:03 |
viktors | sileht: :) | 13:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Victor Sergeyev proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: WIP: Remove second _send_reply() call https://review.openstack.org/180542 | 13:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/tooz: Use a serialization/deserialization specific exception https://review.openstack.org/180275 | 13:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/oslo.i18n: Misplaced parenthesis causing confusion https://review.openstack.org/180550 | 13:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Grzegorz Grasza (xek) proposed openstack/oslo.versionedobjects: Get the indirection_api from the current VersionedObject class https://review.openstack.org/180560 | 14:13 |
openstackgerrit | Victor Sergeyev proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Add RequestContextSerializer https://review.openstack.org/179772 | 14:14 |
openstackgerrit | Victor Sergeyev proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Add RequestContextSerializer https://review.openstack.org/179772 | 14:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.messaging: rabbit/qpid: simplify the consumer loop https://review.openstack.org/178961 | 14:34 |
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viktors | sileht: still around? | 15:24 |
sileht | viktors, yes | 15:25 |
viktors | sileht: is there any example with deprecation stuff in messaging? | 15:25 |
sileht | viktors, we have some stuffs in localcontext, but I don't think the is a good example | 15:26 |
viktors | it doesn't seems to be, that we can easy deprecate something :( | 15:27 |
sileht | viktors, we don't have any example of deprecation of this kind of stuffs | 15:27 |
openstackgerrit | Victor Sergeyev proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Send a single reply to call message https://review.openstack.org/180583 | 15:36 |
viktors | sileht: at the moment, there is only one-way compatibility there ^ | 15:36 |
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sileht | viktors, I will test that tomorrow | 15:38 |
sileht | viktors, I don't think we should support the old generator stuffs, but that must be discuted in meeting to be sure | 15:38 |
sileht | viktors, I will just test compat pre <-> post this patch | 15:39 |
sileht | viktors, always sending ending looks a good idea | 15:39 |
viktors | sileht: but the old _process_reply() will parse reply with `ending=True` incorrectly | 15:40 |
sileht | viktors, just see that | 15:41 |
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sileht | viktors, unfortunatly I don't think we can remove the double send now | 15:42 |
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sileht | viktors, fixing the receving part is a good start | 15:43 |
viktors | sileht: and remove the double send in the next release? | 15:45 |
sileht | viktors, I have some other changes that very to get working with backward compat | 15:45 |
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sileht | very/very hard | 15:46 |
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sileht | because I want to change some attributes on rabbit queue | 15:47 |
sileht | we need to find something for this kind of low level amqp design change | 15:47 |
viktors | sileht: maybe we can add a `version` to rpc-message to know, how can we proceed it? | 15:49 |
sileht | viktors, I think this is a good idea, we need to check with dims , if we can do that in L+1 or if we must wait L+2 | 15:49 |
sileht | viktors, we already have a version | 15:49 |
sileht | viktors, used for the payload format | 15:49 |
viktors | sileht: oh, I'm still not familiar with all msg stuff | 15:49 |
sileht | viktors, perhaps we can extend it for that kind of stuffs | 15:49 |
sileht | for your case that can works | 15:50 |
sileht | for mine (queue attribute change), infortunatly no | 15:50 |
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viktors | sileht, is there any best practice for a such cases in openstack? | 15:51 |
viktors | versionutils should handle this, afaik | 15:51 |
viktors | sileht: anyway, thanks a lot for your help, I'll continue this work tomorrow with a fresh head :) | 15:54 |
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sileht | viktors, cool thanks for helping on that | 15:54 |
dims | sileht: write it up first? then we can decide the timeline | 15:57 |
sileht | dims, the fix ? | 15:58 |
sileht | dims, I means the deprecation patch ? | 15:58 |
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dims | sileht: slowly reading the chatter and saw "design change" | 15:59 |
dims | sileht: what exactly do we need to change? | 16:00 |
sileht | dims, the idea is to remove useless amqp messages, but because of a oddity in the current code, this backward incompatible | 16:00 |
sileht | dims, so we need to fix the oddity, wait some version and then remove the useless message | 16:00 |
openstackgerrit | Andrey Kurilin proposed openstack/oslo.db: WIP: add requirements checker https://review.openstack.org/180592 | 16:01 |
sileht | dims, I just don't known how many time we need to wait | 16:01 |
sileht | I think two releases is safer, but this so long ........ | 16:01 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/180602 | 16:08 |
openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.log: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/178422 | 16:08 |
openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/180603 | 16:08 |
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dims | sileht: can you and viktors|afk add a blueprint at least so we can point it to people and debate? | 16:10 |
sileht | dims, ok | 16:11 |
dims | sileht: thanks | 16:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Add svg files for team mascot https://review.openstack.org/180627 | 17:00 |
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dhellmann | dims, bnemec, jd__, sileht, harlowja: ^^ | 17:01 |
dhellmann | viktors|afk, rpodolyaka, haypo: ^^ | 17:01 |
* bnemec doesn't speak svg well :-) | 17:02 | |
dims | bnemec: open in a browser :) | 17:03 |
dhellmann | bnemec: click the links in the commit message | 17:03 |
bnemec | Yeah, actually my browser is doing the right thing if I just click the download link on the diff page. | 17:04 |
dhellmann | ah, cool | 17:04 |
dims | anyone remember vrml? cosmoplayer? | 17:05 |
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bnemec | Vaguely | 17:06 |
dhellmann | oh, vrml! Man, I haven't heard that one in ages. | 17:07 |
dims | dhellmann: bnemec: the only copy of the source code for cosmoplayer ended up on an unplugged irix box under my teammate's desk back in Computer Associates :) | 17:08 |
dims | a long time ago | 17:08 |
dhellmann | dims: that's epic | 17:08 |
bnemec | Nice :-) | 17:08 |
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dhellmann | dims: we need a name for the mascot ;-) | 17:17 |
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dims | ha! | 17:22 |
dims | anyone have ideas? | 17:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Vilobh Meshram proposed openstack/tooz: Expose Zookeeper client class constants https://review.openstack.org/180639 | 17:23 |
dims | dhellmann: "Bucky" :) | 17:24 |
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dims | Bullwinkle? | 17:29 |
* dims is learning a lot about moose today! | 17:35 | |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Ensure we allow unseen UNCLAIMED -> COMPLETE job transition https://review.openstack.org/180651 | 17:44 |
openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Ensure we allow unseen UNCLAIMED -> COMPLETE job transition https://review.openstack.org/180651 | 17:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo-incubator: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/180602 | 17:57 |
openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Ensure we allow unseen UNCLAIMED -> COMPLETE job transition https://review.openstack.org/180651 | 17:57 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Ensure we allow unseen UNCLAIMED -> COMPLETE job transition https://review.openstack.org/180651 | 18:01 |
openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Add svg files for team mascot https://review.openstack.org/180627 | 18:07 |
dims | harlowja: need a name for the mascot ^^ | 18:09 |
dhellmann | dims: markus moose? http://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/Norwegian_Statistics_of_2014 | 18:11 |
dhellmann | magnus is on that list, too | 18:11 |
harlowja | https://review.openstack.org/cat/180627%2C1%2Cdoc/source/_images/oslo-moose-color.svg%5E0 | 18:14 |
harlowja | niceeee | 18:14 |
harlowja | haha | 18:14 |
* harlowja needs to learn how to draw | 18:14 | |
dims | how about "Odin"? | 18:14 |
harlowja | looks good to me +200 | 18:14 |
harlowja | vrml, a little, not so much | 18:15 |
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harlowja | haha | 18:15 |
dims | markus, magnus, odin, bullwinkle, bucky...so far | 18:16 |
dhellmann | I like the alliteration of the m names, but odin is a good suggestion, too | 18:17 |
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dims | some more m* names http://www.behindthename.com/names/usage/norwegian/2 | 18:18 |
dims | i like markus | 18:18 |
harlowja | "Doug" | 18:19 |
harlowja | lol | 18:19 |
harlowja | ^ might be a little awkward, lol | 18:19 |
* harlowja must not cough up coffee due to laughing, lol | 18:19 | |
dims | lol | 18:19 |
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elmiko | hey all, i'm curious about best practices with regards to oslo.config usage in a library type package | 18:27 |
harlowja | hmmm | 18:27 |
harlowja | let me consult the person that makes good names | 18:27 |
* harlowja let me see if he's online in internal y! irc | 18:27 | |
harlowja | wasn't that from gladiator, lol | 18:28 |
elmiko | basically, i'm using a package that is adding a config option to the global CONF object and i want to change the default in our usage. is there any advice about this? | 18:28 |
harlowja | ^ nothing wrong with that btw | 18:28 |
harlowja | dims i'll get back to u with some names i can gather from y! folks (that don't seem to go on public irc that much) | 18:28 |
harlowja | people that make better names than me :-P | 18:28 |
harlowja | can we than make a movie out of him? | 18:28 |
harlowja | i'll be odin? | 18:28 |
harlowja | dims u can be thor | 18:28 |
harlowja | or maybe u should be odin | 18:28 |
harlowja | idk | 18:28 |
harlowja | haha | 18:28 |
dims | love it! | 18:28 |
harlowja | seems fine with me | 18:29 |
harlowja | although bucky is cool to | 18:29 |
harlowja | u could really confuse people and call it rudolf (the moose) | 18:29 |
harlowja | instead of rudolf the reindeer | 18:29 |
harlowja | *rudolph (guess its spelled that way offically) | 18:29 |
harlowja | put a red nose on the moose and profit | 18:30 |
elmiko | side question, is it appropriate for libs to register_opts themselves or is it preferrable for them to create list_opts style functions that can be added by consumers through an entry_point? | 18:30 |
harlowja | hmmm | 18:31 |
harlowja | elmiko thats an interesting question, can u describe the library, and how u are thinking of using it | 18:31 |
harlowja | and how widely it will be used (a guess is ok) | 18:31 |
elmiko | harlowja: this is the castellan library i'm talking about | 18:31 |
harlowja | elmiko ideally the library/package u are using wouldn't be using the global CONF object (but would at least take a conf object as a __init__ param) | 18:32 |
elmiko | it basically has a package that registers a ConfigOpt into the global CONF on import | 18:32 |
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harlowja | that way u can on usage of that library/package provide a conf object that u have created/configured/tweaked as u want | 18:32 |
harlowja | *imho* | 18:32 |
harlowja | elmiko i think the preferrable way is entrypoint | 18:32 |
harlowja | kk, looking at | 18:32 |
elmiko | yea, that's kinda what i thought too | 18:32 |
* harlowja didn't know about that one, ha | 18:32 | |
elmiko | kinda new | 18:32 |
harlowja | for https://github.com/openstack/castellan/blob/master/castellan/context.py#L45 ? | 18:32 |
harlowja | is that the only real need for that? | 18:33 |
elmiko | no, for the catellan.key_manager.__init__ | 18:33 |
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harlowja | ah i see https://github.com/openstack/castellan/blob/master/castellan/key_manager/__init__.py#L18 | 18:33 |
elmiko | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/171918/ look at that too | 18:33 |
harlowja | hmmm | 18:33 |
harlowja | why not just use full on entrypoints instead | 18:33 |
elmiko | especially the changes to __init__ | 18:33 |
harlowja | aka, is oslo.config really needed at all? | 18:34 |
elmiko | that's what i'm thinking, but i wanted to do all the due dilligence before i start making proposals | 18:34 |
harlowja | depends on really how widely distributed u want this library to be imho, and how tight of integration u want with oslo config settings | 18:34 |
harlowja | this one doesn't really seem to need that | 18:34 |
elmiko | what i'm most concerned about is the library setting options that clients might want to override, for things like running oslo-config-generator | 18:35 |
harlowja | for example u could have https://github.com/openstack/taskflow/blob/master/taskflow/persistence/backends/__init__.py#L26 (which uses stevedore + namespaces) | 18:35 |
elmiko | well, it will be a library to help with integrating an openstack key manager service | 18:35 |
elmiko | harlowja: thanks, i think you've confirmed some of what i was wondering about | 18:36 |
elmiko | and good luck with the moose naming ;) | 18:36 |
elmiko | (it looks awesome btw) | 18:37 |
harlowja | elmiko so my thought (not everyone agress with me here) is that you make an API (base class) and have your key manager code/thing fetch a key manager object using regular entrypoints, if those things that your entrypoint fetches use oslo.config thats there purgative (not yours) right? | 18:37 |
harlowja | same could be done with the other usage of oslo.config @ https://github.com/openstack/castellan/blob/master/castellan/context.py#L45 (fetch it from an entrypoint, or require it to be provided, if whoever constructs that object wants to use oslo.config, have at it) | 18:38 |
elmiko | yea, that makes sense. i think they want to be able to have the lib configured via the normal conf file that a project might use. akin to how keystonemiddleware has options in a projcet. | 18:38 |
elmiko | (for example) | 18:39 |
harlowja | right, i think u can make both work, if u want, since castellan is more tightly coupled with openstack either path imho seems ok | 18:40 |
elmiko | ok, thanks! | 18:41 |
elmiko | i'm pretty sure we need to keep the config in the conf files, so that might make the entry_point changes a little less desirable | 18:41 |
harlowja | elmiko i start to feel that stuff like barbican_opts in that review should just be __init__ arguments (then u can have docstrings that describe there types, defaults...) | 18:41 |
harlowja | but maybe thats to radical, idk | 18:42 |
elmiko | yea i dunno, these options for the api_class and related would only be set once on the conf file for each deployment and i'm not immediately sure on the best approach for providing all these config options but also giving end-users the ability to define in their conf files. | 18:43 |
elmiko | i mean, the lib has to provide the ConfigOpts, but the client would need to send them to the __init__ | 18:44 |
harlowja | ya, that's to me where it becomes not really a generic library, but an openstack semi-library | 18:44 |
harlowja | ^ which might be fine with castellan | 18:44 |
elmiko | it's definitely openstack specific | 18:44 |
harlowja | k, then its prob fine | 18:44 |
elmiko | so, would it be acceptable in that guise to create a list_opts style function that consumers could incorporate in their entry_points to help inform oslo.config? | 18:45 |
harlowja | thinks so | 18:45 |
elmiko | cool, thanks again for the advice =) | 18:46 |
harlowja | np | 18:46 |
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dhellmann | elmiko, harlowja : I think you're mixing up the use case for the list_opts entry point and registering options | 18:50 |
harlowja | possibly :-P | 18:50 |
dhellmann | list_opts is really just meant for the config generator, since we don't want to scan source files any more | 18:50 |
dhellmann | elmiko, harlowja : code that needs options should register those options itself, at runtime, using a config object passed to it | 18:51 |
dhellmann | although if you have a way to define the library without needing config options, that's fine, too | 18:51 |
elmiko | dhellmann: ok, so better if we pass a config to the library and let it register? | 18:51 |
dhellmann | elmiko: yes, that's what we did in oslo.db and oslo.messaging, for example | 18:51 |
elmiko | ok, great. i'll study those too | 18:51 |
dhellmann | as harlowja said, for a lib meant to be used outside of openstack you want to avoid that pattern, but that's what we do inside the project where we know oslo.config is being used | 18:52 |
elmiko | dhellmann: what about if we want to change a default that the library is defining in a ConfigOpt, is there a good pattern for this? | 18:52 |
dhellmann | elmiko: the library defines a default and the app wants to override it? | 18:52 |
elmiko | well, that's what is being proposed, but i think the lib should not define a default | 18:52 |
dhellmann | elmiko: we have a few set_defaults() functions in some of the oslo libraries that deal with that case. I think there's one in oslo.log, for example | 18:52 |
elmiko | oh, cool! | 18:53 |
elmiko | the tough part is that the lib needs to define some config options, but a client might want to override a default. for example, when creating a sample config with oslo-config-generator | 18:53 |
elmiko | i'm kinda curious if we have any patterns for this type of behavior | 18:54 |
dhellmann | elmiko: if you have different defaults in all of the users of the library, it sounds like the library doesn't own that configuration setting | 18:55 |
dhellmann | maybe the value should be passed to the library, instead? | 18:55 |
elmiko | good point | 18:55 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.log: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/178422 | 18:55 |
elmiko | dhellmann, harlowja, thanks again. i've got some thinking to do lol | 18:56 |
harlowja | np, hopefully didn't confuse u to much :-P | 18:56 |
dhellmann | elmiko: sure thing, and drop by again if you want to talk more | 18:56 |
elmiko | cool, i will. and it's not confusing, i think it's just an odd problem for the case i want. | 18:56 |
harlowja | k | 18:57 |
openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/oslo.cache: [WIP] just a test review - please ignore https://review.openstack.org/180675 | 18:58 |
openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Add speed-test tools script https://review.openstack.org/180678 | 18:59 |
harlowja | dims ok got a good one from internal, another confusing/tricky one, lol | 18:59 |
harlowja | 'name it "teddy" (after Teddy Roosevelt, founder of the Bull Moose Party)' | 18:59 |
harlowja | haha | 18:59 |
harlowja | we can than say we didn't know that teddy was usually connected with bears, lol | 19:00 |
dims | hehe | 19:00 |
* harlowja might have to soon change all those badge links (showing pypi downloads) to something else | 19:02 | |
harlowja | https://github.com/badges/pypipins/issues/37 doesn't seem to be getting fixed... | 19:02 |
harlowja | shield.io seems to do the same thing (and isn't dead/down) | 19:03 |
harlowja | * http://shields.io/ | 19:03 |
* harlowja will wait a little longer on that one | 19:04 | |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.policy: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/178424 | 19:29 |
harlowja | btw dims salv-orl_ dhellmann bnemec i put a big braindump on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/132127/ (might make sense to go that route, idk) | 19:32 |
* harlowja doesn't want the quota stuff to stall out again :( | 19:33 | |
harlowja | ^if u get some time to think about it | 19:33 |
dims | harlowja: ack, will do. reminds me to start etherpads too | 19:33 |
dhellmann | harlowja: the issue with having a lib own part of a database schema is getting the migration scripts to run exactly once | 19:34 |
harlowja | i got one about it to | 19:34 |
harlowja | ha | 19:34 |
harlowja | well seperate the database schema part to a 'pluggable backend' | 19:35 |
harlowja | have the in-tree-library one just be a 'in-memory' version | 19:35 |
harlowja | have nova provide its own 'backend' (and later consulate them all) | 19:36 |
harlowja | ^ if that can be done | 19:36 |
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dhellmann | we still need to solve the problem of actually running the migrations, though, and that's the thing that started turning into an ops issue that led us to just follow the pattern of having an application own the things | 19:36 |
dhellmann | that's not to say there aren't other ways, but it's more consistent with the way other databases are managed, so... | 19:36 |
harlowja | ya, but i'm wondering if we can simulatenously do both, work on the library (assuming/using in-memory backend) and let another group of people work on 'database backend' + solve/figureout/document migrations | 19:37 |
dhellmann | maybe? I'm not sure the library would be seen as useful until the second part is solved, so we might as well figure that out first | 19:38 |
dhellmann | of course my solution to that is to not do it, so I may not be the right person to drive the work :-) | 19:39 |
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harlowja | other thing that i wonder is why does this backend have to be tied to a DB with schema, doesn't seem like it does (a no-sql consistent backend, without schemas, as long as its transcational seems like it would work just fine) | 19:41 |
harlowja | and zookeeper afaik is one of those :-P | 19:42 |
dhellmann | harlowja: selling operators on yet another service is difficult | 19:42 |
dhellmann | is zookeeper persistent? | 19:42 |
harlowja | yup | 19:42 |
dhellmann | k | 19:42 |
harlowja | and transcational | 19:42 |
dims | harlowja: dhellmann: "replicated synchronization service with eventual consistency" | 19:43 |
harlowja | hmmmm, zookeeper shouldn't be eventual | 19:43 |
dhellmann | that doesn't sound inspiring for quota management | 19:43 |
harlowja | +1 | 19:43 |
* harlowja doesn't like eventual consistent things that cost $$ | 19:44 | |
harlowja | *and/or impact $$ | 19:44 |
dims | http://zookeeper.apache.org/doc/trunk/zookeeperProgrammers.html#ch_zkGuarantees | 19:44 |
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dims | guessing we are talking about "Simultaneously Consistent Cross-Client Views" | 19:44 |
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harlowja | 'gets notified of the change' | 19:45 |
harlowja | thats watches, slightly different | 19:45 |
harlowja | oh, nm, reading | 19:45 |
harlowja | guess just have to call sync() then | 19:46 |
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harlowja | i guess thats because when a leader commits a value, it ensures that a quoroum of other servers also have commited it, and the server u may be connected to (the B in that case) may be connected to one that isn't in that quorum (and that server Z will get updated to that value soon when it learns it needs to update); http://zookeeper-user.578899.n2.nabble.com/Consistency-in-zookeeper-td7578531.html (has info about this topic) | 19:52 |
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harlowja | better than mongodb i guess for quotas :-P | 19:54 |
harlowja | https://aphyr.com/posts/322-call-me-maybe-mongodb-stale-reads (recent) | 19:55 |
harlowja | ^ scares me, lol | 19:55 |
dims | harlowja: we should all use DB2 :) | 19:55 |
harlowja | :) | 19:55 |
harlowja | or pay oracle or something | 19:56 |
harlowja | i'm also a core on https://github.com/python-zk/kazoo so we should use it for quotas, haha | 19:57 |
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* harlowja isn't biased or anything, hahaha | 19:59 | |
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harlowja | anyways, something to think about | 20:06 |
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pabelanger | greetings | 20:06 |
pabelanger | running into an issue with oslo-config-generator: see http://pastebin.com/U0msTnGi | 20:07 |
pabelanger | note the section naming | 20:07 |
pabelanger | here is the my code: http://pastebin.com/KXQwCiQe | 20:07 |
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harlowja | dims http://paste.openstack.org/show/215514/ also happens (u can ensure that u have read the latest i think via this mechanism to; since writes go to the leader, who will have a different version... and blowup at the client) | 20:15 |
harlowja | retries and stuff can then be done with that bad version exception (if so desired) | 20:16 |
harlowja | then u don't need to sync all the time | 20:17 |
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pabelanger | Ya, looks like a bug | 20:37 |
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openstackgerrit | Paul Belanger proposed openstack/oslo.config: Fix issue when generating code with cfg.OptGroup https://review.openstack.org/180735 | 20:42 |
pabelanger | I _think_ that will fix the problem | 20:43 |
pabelanger | test coverage none the less | 20:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/tooz: Move more string constants to class constants with docstrings https://review.openstack.org/180764 | 21:45 |
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harlowja | sileht https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo.messaging+branch:master+topic:sileht/refactor,n,z woah, ha | 21:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.log: Change misleading TRACE to ERROR https://review.openstack.org/166537 | 22:36 |
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