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| jogo | dhellmann: we need to stop cutting oslo packages that aren't capped on stable/juno | 00:26 |
| jogo | for ever | 00:26 |
| jogo | I am working on the longer term solution (pin all of stable/juno) | 00:26 |
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| jogo | but until that lands before any oslo lib makes a release we need to check if it has a cap | 00:27 |
| jogo | on stable/juno | 00:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Balaji Narayanan proposed openstack/taskflow: Improved diagram for Taskflow https://review.openstack.org/152354 | 00:28 |
| harlowja | jogo should oslo libraries have grenade jobs? | 00:30 |
| harlowja | would that solve this? | 00:31 |
| harlowja | 'check-grenade-dsvm' i guess | 00:32 |
| harlowja | dependency resolution sucks, lol | 00:33 |
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| jogo | harlowja: pinning stable is a better way forward IMHo | 01:21 |
| jogo | and we are getting close I think | 01:21 |
| harlowja | kk | 01:21 |
| lifeless | jogo: so hi | 01:23 |
| lifeless | jogo: how did your pypi version freezing stuff pan out? | 01:23 |
| jogo | lifeless: WIP, two deep in blockers | 01:29 |
| harlowja | need a dep solver, lol | 01:30 |
| jogo | lifeless: but the pin explicit dependencies looks viable | 01:30 |
| jogo | harlowja: actually I disagree | 01:30 |
| jogo | harlowja: python needs to support multiple installed versions of libs | 01:30 |
| harlowja | guess it depends on how deep u want to pin | 01:30 |
| harlowja | ah, hmmm, that seems sorta far off | 01:30 |
| harlowja | but ideally, sure | 01:30 |
| jogo | harlowja: that is a way better solution IMHO | 01:31 |
| harlowja | sure | 01:31 |
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| lifeless | mmm | 01:32 |
| lifeless | it has fairly severe issues of its own | 01:32 |
| jogo | yeah | 01:32 |
| harlowja | computers sux, i quit | 01:33 |
| harlowja | lol | 01:33 |
| jogo | so a dep solver doesn't deal with doing 'pip install -r ' on two sets of lists | 01:33 |
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| harlowja | thats why u need https://github.com/nvie/pip-tools/blob/future/piptools/datastructures.py#L97 | 01:38 |
| harlowja | which does merge them | 01:38 |
| harlowja | https://github.com/nvie/pip-tools/blob/future/piptools/datastructures.py#L275 | 01:38 |
| harlowja | so u can merge two lists -> 1 list | 01:39 |
| harlowja | *and blows up if that can't happen | 01:39 |
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| harlowja | so then u merge lists, and then dep solve on just the 1 list (if that list can't be solved, perhaps backtrack and try a different list...) | 01:40 |
| harlowja | and repeat for a long time, lol | 01:40 |
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| jogo | harlowja: haha well that doesn't help if you don't know the lists before run time | 02:09 |
| jogo | and forces you to install everything in a single fell swoo | 02:09 |
| jogo | swoop | 02:09 |
| harlowja | fair enough | 02:09 |
| harlowja | don't do that, lol | 02:09 |
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| harlowja | jogo gonna poke some pypa list, see if anyone is working on any of this dep solving stuff; it'd be nice to have some people trying to solve this (in any manner possible, lol) | 02:18 |
| jogo | haha | 02:21 |
| jogo | harlowja: my vote is still install multiple lib versions | 02:21 |
| harlowja | ok dokie, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pypa-dev/YqgoE1ZLpqg posted | 02:23 |
| harlowja | and now we wait, lol | 02:23 |
| lifeless | jogo: so how would that work in-process (ignore the on-disk stuff, that already works) | 02:25 |
| harlowja | some adjjusted import statement i wonder? | 02:28 |
| lifeless | I mean | 02:28 |
| lifeless | nova uses lib X directly | 02:28 |
| jogo | lifeless: well when pip installing it lists the versions | 02:28 |
| harlowja | ah, the simulatenous issue | 02:28 |
| lifeless | olso.messaging uses lib X itself too | 02:28 |
| lifeless | nova wants version Y | 02:28 |
| harlowja | lifeless ya, gotcha | 02:28 |
| lifeless | oslo.messaging wants Y+1 | 02:28 |
| jogo | lifeless: for that you still need a dep solver | 02:29 |
| harlowja | not only that; python needs to be able to namespace these correctly i think right | 02:29 |
| lifeless | jogo: so I don't understand what problem you're thinknig to solve then ? | 02:29 |
| harlowja | and know which namespace everything needs to use (that would be crazy debugging,l ol) | 02:30 |
| lifeless | harlowja: welcome to java enterprise app containers :) | 02:30 |
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| harlowja | war's jar's in my car | 02:30 |
| harlowja | lol | 02:30 |
| harlowja | with some ears | 02:31 |
| harlowja | lol | 02:31 |
| jogo | lifeless: pip install python-openstackclient | 02:31 |
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| jogo | it needs oslo.foo>1.2 but system has 1.1 and something else needed <1.2) | 02:31 |
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| jogo | so python uninstalls 1.1 and installs 1.2 | 02:31 |
| jogo | then something else comes along and inverts that | 02:31 |
| jogo | now you call openstackclient | 02:31 |
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| jogo | and it fails because oslo.foo isn't there anymore | 02:32 |
| jogo | so different binaries requiring different versions of things | 02:32 |
| lifeless | ok | 02:32 |
| lifeless | so thats much easier in scope | 02:32 |
| lifeless | its the install in a dedicated venv story | 02:32 |
| jogo | but python should do that without needing venvs IMHO | 02:32 |
| lifeless | it can | 02:33 |
| lifeless | you can have multiple eggs coexist | 02:33 |
| lifeless | pip doesn't | 02:33 |
| lifeless | because it uses single-version-externally-managed or whatever the flag is | 02:33 |
| jogo | yeah, that is what I thought | 02:33 |
| jogo | its all pip | 02:33 |
| lifeless | and then in your apps | 02:33 |
| lifeless | you use Require(oslo.foo==1.2) | 02:33 |
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| jogo | harlowja: want to work on pip :) | 02:34 |
| harlowja | hmmm, errrr | 02:34 |
| lifeless | but its got all sorts of crazy failure modes | 02:35 |
| lifeless | I realllllly don't recommend using it | 02:35 |
| harlowja | jogo not sure how far i can push this, but i'll try to do some stuff, to many projects i am into, lol | 02:35 |
| harlowja | so little time :-P | 02:35 |
| lifeless | *while* we retain 'be installable by distros' as a goal | 02:36 |
| lifeless | I think single-version is an implied goal | 02:36 |
| lifeless | and we should retain that constraint | 02:36 |
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| lifeless | if we decide that its up to distros to figure out how to install us | 02:36 |
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| lifeless | then we can revisit that constraint | 02:36 |
| jogo | why does dropping single version break distros? | 02:36 |
| jogo | they are hesitant to support multiple versions? | 02:37 |
| lifeless | because they lay out packages on disk using directories not eggs | 02:37 |
| lifeless | which means they physically cannot co-install multiple versions | 02:37 |
| jogo | ahhhh hrmm | 02:37 |
| jogo | good point | 02:37 |
| lifeless | and they don't use bundled library versions, so doing something like a venv per source package would also fail their various policies | 02:38 |
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| harlowja | isn't that a changing ;) | 02:42 |
| harlowja | new world order (docker, atomic...) | 02:42 |
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| harlowja | because afaik rpm doesn't have a dep solver either, lol | 02:44 |
| harlowja | *rpm/yum | 02:44 |
| lifeless | rpms deps work on files | 02:45 |
| lifeless | so you depend on foo-1.2.0.so | 02:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Vilobh Meshram proposed openstack/taskflow: Document parameter return values https://review.openstack.org/152375 | 02:45 |
| * harlowja wonders if http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/DNF ever got finished (new rpm package manager with solver) | 02:47 | |
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| stevemar | jogo, uh oh, openstackclient troubles? | 02:53 |
| stevemar | jogo, or just troubles in general with the namespace issues? | 02:54 |
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| jogo | namespace | 02:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vilobh Meshram proposed openstack/taskflow: Document parameter return values https://review.openstack.org/152375 | 03:05 |
| Ritz | I am trying to use oslo messaging for asynchronous processing .. and in during processing i use multiprocessing and i get this error | 03:07 |
| Ritz | 2015-02-02 18:26:10,485 root Error in executing playbook[Errno 11] Resource temporarily unavailable Traceback (most recent call last): File "/opt/stack/attis-server/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/attis_Server-1.0.0a1-py2.7.egg/attis/engine/contentprocessor.py", line 100, in runPlaybook pb.run() File "/opt/stack/attis-server/local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/ansible-1.8.2-py2.7.egg/ansible/playbook/__init__.py", line 3 | 03:07 |
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| Ritz | This is my code | 03:09 |
| Ritz | class NotificationHandler(object): def info(self, ctxt, publisher_id, event_type, payload, metadata): if publisher_id == 'attis': log.info("payload is "+str(payload)) job_id=ctxt['jobId'] log.info("Job Id is "+job_id) tenantId=ctxt['tenantId'] log.info("Tenant Id is "+tenantId) log.info("event_type "+event_type) if event_type is not N | 03:09 |
| harlowja | hmmm, multiprocessing and oslo.messaging, not sure many people are doing that | 03:09 |
| Ritz | ok | 03:09 |
| harlowja | but it might work, not sure | 03:10 |
| Ritz | is there any work around .. i have seen so many people having same issue but no solution | 03:10 |
| Ritz | i am using ansible for processing which inturn uses mutiprocessins | 03:10 |
| harlowja | unsure, it would be nice to know more about that error, | 03:11 |
| harlowja | its hard to tell what the real cause is | 03:11 |
| harlowja | could be multiprocessing releated or something else | 03:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Vilobh Meshram proposed openstack/taskflow: Document parameter return values https://review.openstack.org/152375 | 03:11 |
| harlowja | so slightly hard to tell if this is an interaction between ansible, or multiprocessing, or something else | 03:11 |
| Ritz | when i run the file directly (without oslo) it works fine | 03:12 |
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| harlowja | ok, likely need to figure out more of that the causes is though; just with/without 'oslo' is a large surface area | 03:13 |
| Ritz | lemme find a link | 03:14 |
| harlowja | cool, although i gotta head out, sileht might be able to look at it a little further (resident oslo.messaging man) when he getsin | 03:16 |
| Ritz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1227575 | 03:16 |
| Ritz | looks at comment 9 and 10 | 03:16 |
| Ritz | it is the exact same problem | 03:17 |
| openstackgerrit | Vilobh Meshram proposed openstack/taskflow: Document parameter return values https://review.openstack.org/152375 | 03:17 |
| harlowja | the errors are the same? | 03:18 |
| Ritz | It looks like multiprocessing and eventlets don't go well together. | 03:18 |
| openstackgerrit | greghaynes proposed openstack/tooz: WIP: Create ectd driver with lock support https://review.openstack.org/151463 | 03:18 |
| harlowja | could be likely | 03:19 |
| harlowja | that code is around https://hg.python.org/releasing/2.7.9/file/753a8f457ddc/Lib/multiprocessing/connection.py#l412 which is sockets underneath | 03:19 |
| harlowja | multiprocessing sets up these manager processes and uses them internally (for reasons i've never understood) | 03:19 |
| harlowja | but is it eventlet or something else, idk | 03:21 |
| Ritz | if u see my code iam using eventlet | 03:21 |
| Ritz | lemme send it | 03:21 |
| Ritz | import eventlet eventlet.monkey_patch() | 03:22 |
| harlowja | right | 03:22 |
| Ritz | server = messaging.get_notification_listener(transport, targets, endpoints, allow_requeue=True, executor='eventlet') | 03:22 |
| harlowja | then i guess the next question is what is ansible using internally with multiprocessing (and what is it sharing) | 03:22 |
| harlowja | if ansible is using multiprocessing (and doing anything involving sharing anything) i guess that might happen | 03:22 |
| harlowja | unless the eventlet thing isn't the cause | 03:22 |
| Ritz | ok | 03:23 |
| Ritz | leme open ansible code | 03:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Vilobh Meshram proposed openstack/taskflow: Document parameter return values https://review.openstack.org/152375 | 03:23 |
| harlowja | can u try the non-eventlet executor | 03:25 |
| harlowja | thats another option | 03:25 |
| harlowja | there should be a blocking one (and i think a threads one maybe thats there) | 03:25 |
| harlowja | and not monkey-patch | 03:25 |
| harlowja | that another option; if this really doesn't work with multiprocessing (which it might not) | 03:25 |
| harlowja | anyway, gotta go, good luck | 03:26 |
| Ritz | thanks ! | 03:26 |
| Ritz | you mean | 03:26 |
| Ritz | messaging.get_notification_listener(transport, targets, endpoints, allow_requeue=True, executor='non-eventlet') ? | 03:27 |
| harlowja | executor='blocking' i think | 03:27 |
| Ritz | ok .. | 03:27 |
| harlowja | * https://github.com/openstack/oslo.messaging/blob/master/setup.cfg#L44 | 03:27 |
| Ritz | if it is blocking what does that mean ? | 03:28 |
| Ritz | next message cannot be consumed till this thread finishes ? | 03:28 |
| Ritz | if there is some documentation that would be great | 03:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Add the threading executor setup.cfg entrypoint https://review.openstack.org/152378 | 03:29 |
| harlowja | Ritz for this u might have to wait for sileht ; out of my terrirtory :) | 03:30 |
| Ritz | ok :) | 03:30 |
| Ritz | no problem | 03:30 |
| Ritz | @harlowja thank you very much | 03:35 |
| Ritz | it is working after changing to blocked | 03:35 |
| Ritz | :) | 03:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: RabbitMQ heartbeat implementation https://review.openstack.org/146047 | 11:06 |
| openstackgerrit | zhangjl proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: Fix the bug redis do not delete the expired keys https://review.openstack.org/152471 | 11:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: rabbit: allow to configure heartbeat rate https://review.openstack.org/152201 | 11:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed openstack/oslo.messaging: rabbit: heartbeat implementation https://review.openstack.org/146047 | 11:08 |
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| therve | I got a question about jsonutils | 12:47 |
| therve | It seems to use anyjson if it's available | 12:48 |
| therve | But unfortunately the interfaces are not really compatible (dumps for example) | 12:48 |
| therve | Is it a known issue? | 12:48 |
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| dhellmann | therve: are you getting an error? I thought jsonutils wrapped up anyjson, so I'm not clear what you're asking. | 13:36 |
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| therve | dhellmann, Let me try something | 13:39 |
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| therve | I guess I misunderstood what it was trying to do | 13:48 |
| therve | It makes anyjson uses whatever json module jsonutils uses | 13:49 |
| therve | That's intriguing | 13:49 |
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| dims | dhellmann: good morning | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | dims: good morning | 14:37 |
| dims | dhellmann: wanted to check with you on this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151157/ - for K, i believe projects will still use oslo.log OR oslo-incubator copy of log.py so we should let that in (It has a -2 from you) | 14:38 |
| dims | dhellmann: am ok -2'ing the stable/juno backport of it - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152438/ | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | dims: theoretically we froze development on the incubated module when we started kilo with a plan to graduate it, right? | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | so the patch should go into the library and into the stable branch, but we're just hung up on a release before we delete it from the incubator | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | (the master branch) | 14:41 |
| dims | so there's a hole then | 14:41 |
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| dims | since not everyone will be able to pick up the oslo.log lib | 14:42 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, it's not perfect. During juno we tried keeping the master branch version of things and then we weren't able to move ahead with library adoption. | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | I'm open to suggestions, since I was just following what we agreed to at the summit. :-/ | 14:43 |
| * dims scratching my head :) | 14:43 | |
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| dims | jd__: bnemec: anyone else thoughts? | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | dims: if we get oslo.log out next week, who do you think won't have time to adopt it and will need this syslog fix? | 14:45 |
| jd__ | Glance :D | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | meh, I'll write the patch for glance if I have to | 14:46 |
| dims | dhellmann: writing a patch is the easy part :) | 14:46 |
| dims | yes, there's enough time | 14:46 |
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| dhellmann | dims: flaper87 is core on glance, so we'd be half way there :-) | 14:47 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: haha writing the patch is not the problem | 14:47 |
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| jd__ | getting +2A is the problem | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | jd__: are you core on glance yet? | 14:47 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I wish but no | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | I've noticed you sending several patches that way | 14:47 |
| jd__ | you can't become core on Glance since nobody is taking attention | 14:47 |
| dims | dhellmann: from what i heard there's an awful lot of cores :) | 14:47 |
| jd__ | like, I have a blueprint on Glance for K, NOBODY reviewed it since November | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | is there a list of things we're trying to land where there aren't enough reviews? should the TC step in? | 14:47 |
| jd__ | I've https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143449/ for example | 14:48 |
| dims | dhellmann: anecdotally yes, don't have hard numbers or actual personal experience | 14:48 |
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| jd__ | though I don't think that should stop us releasing oslo.log an removing in from the incubator | 14:49 |
| jd__ | I like our current plan | 14:49 |
| dhellmann | yeah, if there are review issues in a project that won't stop us. I'd like to address them, though. I'll talk to ttx. | 14:50 |
| dims | jd__: dhellmann: so let's at least get the stable/juno backport in - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152438/ per current process | 14:50 |
| dims | jd__: +1 stick to plan | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | dims: sure, did that go into the lib already? | 14:50 |
| dims | dhellmann: yes | 14:50 |
| jd__ | +2'ed | 14:50 |
| dims | thanks! | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | approved | 14:51 |
| dims | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.log/commit/250315b7b22bf348af1f36965fdae6a38c9d5f57#diff-399346054413f32e163d5aef4e0584e9 | 14:51 |
| dims | thanks! | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | jd__: someone must be reviewing changes in glance because I see some merges from yesterday | 14:52 |
| dims | pasquier-s: please keep an eye on the oslo.log release, let's try to get patches into various projects and revisit this issue around K3 milestone | 14:52 |
| pasquier-s | dims: ok, thanks for the follow-up folks | 14:53 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: yeah once in a while I get patches merged, but I often need to track down individual glance cores to do so – which IMHO shows that there's a problem | 14:53 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: yes, that does sound like an issue | 14:53 |
| jd__ | the problem being 'not enough people care' and the solution being unknown to me :) | 14:53 |
| dhellmann | jd__, dims, bnemec : are any of you planning to submit oslo-related talks for the conference? | 14:54 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: nop | 14:55 |
| dims | dhellmann: i haven't thought about it | 14:55 |
| dhellmann | the deadline is monday, so I'm thinking about topics | 14:56 |
| dims | dhellmann: the newer ones we are trying to push need to be evangelized pylockfile, tooz, taskflow etc | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | dims: yeah, good point | 14:58 |
| inc0 | I'd vote for taskflow | 14:58 |
| inc0 | and hello everyone | 14:58 |
| dims | let's rope in harlowja! | 14:59 |
| dims | hi inc0 | 14:59 |
| dims | how goes objects? :) | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | hi, inc0 | 14:59 |
| inc0 | dhellmann was faster;) | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | and yeah, a taskflow talk would be good | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | inc0: too much practice | 14:59 |
| inc0 | althogh we're already preparing commits for it;) | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | but your repo showed me what files I was missing, so I really appreciate your help with that aspect | 15:00 |
| jd__ | dims: about pylockfile… https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151224/ | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | good -- let's queue those up for the gerrit repository | 15:00 |
| inc0 | sure, I'll try to implement it into heat asap, that should produce couple more changes to be pushed | 15:01 |
| inc0 | about taskflow, my friend is implementing it into cinder | 15:01 |
| dims | jd__: cool | 15:01 |
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| dhellmann | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-conference-presentation-topics | 15:02 |
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| dhellmann | dims, jd__: ^^ | 15:02 |
| flaper87 | jd__: that's not fair... Al generalizations are falso ;) | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | false* | 15:03 |
| inc0 | dhellmann, do you think versionedobjects deserves a talk as well? | 15:03 |
| flaper87 | that said, please ping me if you need some reviews in glance to move oslo forward | 15:03 |
| dims | Love the titles dhellmann :) | 15:03 |
| dims | inc0: yes +1 | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | inc0: I'm sure it would make an interesting topic. I don't know enough about it to talk myself, but you and/or dansmith could | 15:04 |
| jd__ | flaper87: :) | 15:04 |
| inc0 | I'll propose it then, we'll see if Dan will be willing to do it, otherwise I'll be happy to do so | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | inc0: sounds good | 15:05 |
| inc0 | (but you'd have to handle my english) | 15:05 |
| dims | inc0: dhellmann: what other tools do we have around versioning? | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | dims: debtcollector and versionutils | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | there's the migration testing stuff in oslo.db | 15:05 |
| dims | so we could do a talk that ties in those together | 15:05 |
| dims | as part of code jenga | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | nice idea | 15:06 |
| dims | best practices around versioning essentially | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: fwiw, I think the backwards-compatibility talk would be very good to have | 15:06 |
| dims | right | 15:06 |
| dims | that's the 3rd topic in etherpad | 15:06 |
| flaper87 | I'm happy to help if needed | 15:06 |
| dims | dhellmann: if we throw in zero downtime somewhere in the abstract the room will fill itself :) | 15:07 |
| inc0 | dims, I agree that could be squeezed to one talk, but full of practical stuff, which would be nice | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | dims: hahaha | 15:07 |
| inc0 | as I've said in etherpad - a holy grail;) | 15:08 |
| inc0 | no downtime upgrades | 15:08 |
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| dhellmann | inc0: the conference audience is mostly operators and users, so I don't know how much detail we want to go into on using the libs, if that's what you mean | 15:08 |
| dims | right | 15:08 |
| inc0 | well, still it would be good to show this tools, some of them might have their own solutions underneath | 15:09 |
| dims | inc0: agree | 15:09 |
| inc0 | but yeah, it might be better to do it as dev session | 15:10 |
| inc0 | and maybe just mention it somewhere | 15:10 |
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| bnemec | Whoa, it's already planning time for summit? | 15:19 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann: I didn't have anything in mind as far as talks go. | 15:20 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann: Also, on the topic of compatibility and evolving apis: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137774/ | 15:22 |
| bnemec | Basically one of the exceptions the original code is raising is the wrong type. | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: added to my review list | 15:23 |
| bnemec | But apparently there is code that assumes only that one exception type will come out of this function, so changing it could be painful. | 15:23 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Thanks | 15:23 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec: yeah, we should probably not just change the exceptions raised without looking at how it's being used | 15:27 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: According to Sridhar Neutron would require some changes if we start raising another exception. | 15:30 |
| bnemec | I guess I don't know how many though. | 15:30 |
| bnemec | If it's only a few spots then maybe it's worth doing it. | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: which function are you talking about? | 15:31 |
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| bnemec | dhellmann: get_ipv6_addr_by_EUI64 in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137774/9/oslo_utils/netutils.py | 15:31 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec: that looks like a brand new function, though. | 15:35 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: It's brand new to the lib, but it's being brought over from Neutron and Tempest. | 15:35 |
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| dhellmann | oh, I don't care about that | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | if we fix the function then they can fix the app as they migrate to the version in the lib | 15:39 |
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| nikhil_k | dhellmann: hi, I'm here if oslo team needs unblocking ;) | 15:41 |
| bnemec | Works for me. I guess I just wasn't sure how to handle code going directly into a lib from somewhere else. | 15:41 |
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| dhellmann | bnemec: as with graduation, it's better if the API is "right" when we bring it in, even if that requires changes in apps to use it | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | hi, nikhil_k, thanks for joining! | 15:42 |
| nikhil_k | right back at you | 15:43 |
| bnemec | dhellmann: Yeah, makes sense. I suppose the exception type thing felt a little nit picky to me, but better to do it now than after it's in the lib and used other places too. | 15:44 |
| dhellmann | bnemec: right | 15:44 |
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| dhellmann | ok, 2 conference talk proposals are submitted (see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/oslo-conference-presentation-topics for links) | 16:02 |
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| dhellmann | dims, jd__, flaper87: can you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/oslo-specs+branch:master+topic:policy,n,z and make sure there aren't any obvious issues with merging those policies? | 16:25 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: on it | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: some time this week is fine, no rush -- I want everyone to have a chance to read them before I merge them next week | 16:26 |
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| dhellmann | flaper87: they *should* match mostly what is in the wiki, but in some cases I updated them to reflect what we do rather than what we said we do | 16:26 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: awesome, in that case I'll queue them for tomorrow so I can read it with a fresh mind. | 16:27 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: thanks for the heads up | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: good plan | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | flaper87: the one on the config policy is new, so there's still lots of discussion to do on that one. The others should be pretty straightforward | 16:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-specs: Add revision history sections https://review.openstack.org/152618 | 17:07 |
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| zzzeek | dhellmann: this has to go in also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151059/ | 17:17 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: can you +2 ? | 17:17 |
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| dhellmann | zzzeek: I'll give it a look after lunch | 17:45 |
| zzzeek | tahnks | 17:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Remove obsolete comments from tool scripts https://review.openstack.org/152637 | 17:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Bayer proposed openstack/oslo.db: Implement new oslo.db.sqlalchemy.enginefacade module https://review.openstack.org/138215 | 19:22 |
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| stevemar | bknudson, whats the hold up here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148028/ | 19:28 |
| bknudson | stevemar: we need the keystone requirements updated with the version that's got the rename. | 19:29 |
| bknudson | stevemar: I think that keystone requirements needs to be updated before the grenade test will pass... | 19:30 |
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| stevemar | bknudson, wheres the proposal bot when you need it | 19:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/oslo.db: Implement backend-specific drop_all_objects for provisioning. https://review.openstack.org/151059 | 19:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vilobh Meshram proposed openstack/taskflow: Document parameter return values https://review.openstack.org/152375 | 20:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Turn off missing-directory log output for default case https://review.openstack.org/152669 | 20:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Add a capturing listener (for test or other usage) https://review.openstack.org/152271 | 20:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed openstack/taskflow: Add a capturing listener (for test or other usage) https://review.openstack.org/152271 | 20:31 |
| dims | sileht: the rabbitmq heartbeat change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/146047 - Does any of the jobs actually exercise the code? | 20:33 |
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| bknudson | stevemar: I could just stick the requirements update in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148028/ | 20:48 |
| openstackgerrit | greghaynes proposed openstack/tooz: Create ectd driver with lock support https://review.openstack.org/151463 | 20:48 |
| stevemar | bknudson, looks like it passed | 20:49 |
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| bknudson | stevemar: I asked in infra why the requirements updates weren't getting around -- the proposal bot breaks when projects are renamed. | 21:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Add tox env for running release notes script https://review.openstack.org/147963 | 21:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Adjust release note template whitespace https://review.openstack.org/147964 | 21:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/oslo-incubator: Have a little fun with release notes https://review.openstack.org/152680 | 21:13 |
| harlowja | ha | 21:13 |
| harlowja | nice | 21:13 |
| dhellmann | harlowja: something fun while I'm in the cross-project meeting :-) | 21:14 |
| harlowja | def | 21:14 |
| harlowja | u can take the anvil happy cow | 21:15 |
| harlowja | lol | 21:15 |
| harlowja | https://github.com/stackforge/anvil/blob/master/anvil/utils.py#L78 | 21:15 |
| harlowja | *as a signature, lol | 21:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Bayer proposed openstack/oslo.db: Implement new oslo.db.sqlalchemy.enginefacade module https://review.openstack.org/138215 | 23:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.db: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/150502 | 23:22 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/oslo.vmware: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/152721 | 23:22 |
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| arosen | Hi, Anyone have any ideas why I some times see this exception in oslo.db when I run the unit tests for another openstack project that uses oslo.db? http://paste.openstack.org/show/166468/ | 23:27 |
| arosen | it doesn't occur everytime. | 23:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/pbr: Support script text override for newer develop https://review.openstack.org/150803 | 23:39 |
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