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| viktors | hi folks! Can someone review patch to incubator https://review.openstack.org/#/c/68963/ (Fix response_key parameter usage in BaseManager) ? Thanks! | 10:39 |
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| i159 | viktors: I can :) | 10:40 |
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| viktors | i159: feel free to do it :) | 10:41 |
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| kragniz | zzzeek: ping | 12:24 |
| zzzeek | hey | 12:24 |
| zzzeek | i have 3 minutes :) | 12:25 |
| kragniz | zzzeek: I'm taking over the transaction replay stuff from Therese | 12:25 |
| kragniz | zzzeek: she said to ask you about what's going on with it? | 12:25 |
| kragniz | zzzeek: are you going to add the extension to oslo.db.sqlalchemy.compat, or should I do that? | 12:26 |
| zzzeek | there was a review somehwere for a simple decorator, can’t find it | 12:27 |
| zzzeek | i think the review was OK, haven’t seen it in awhile | 12:27 |
| * kragniz is pretty new and needs to be told the right way to do things | 12:27 | |
| kragniz | cool | 12:27 |
| kragniz | that's in oslo.db? | 12:27 |
| zzzeek | or are you talking abotu the big fancy transaction replay extension in SQLAlchemy? havent seen anyone talking about that | 12:27 |
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| zzzeek | ive mentioned that to people but i dont know that there is a need for it | 12:27 |
| kragniz | pretty sure it's the transaction retry | 12:28 |
| zzzeek | that thing’s a big deal so we’d have to evaulate who wants it and why, beacuse most openstack methods can be retried on the outside | 12:29 |
| zzzeek | no clue why i cant find the review for this thing | 12:29 |
| kragniz | we want to be able to retry database transactions without errors going back to glance | 12:29 |
| kragniz | hmm, okay | 12:30 |
| zzzeek | teh short answer is there’s two approaches | 12:30 |
| zzzeek | one is simple and is in some gerrit that I cannot find | 12:30 |
| zzzeek | the other is very complex and works from the inside out, and is on a SQLAlchemy bitbucket issue right now | 12:30 |
| kragniz | here's the one she was working on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/76136 | 12:30 |
| zzzeek | oh its not in oslo.db :) | 12:31 |
| kragniz | someone said it should be moved in there, that code is pretty old | 12:31 |
| zzzeek | Ok | 12:31 |
| zzzeek | thijs approach is the easy and “safe” way to go :) | 12:32 |
| kragniz | okay, so making no changes to oslo.db? | 12:32 |
| zzzeek | um im not sure, this looks like it woudl be in oslo.db ulatimately. im not sure what it means that its in oslo-incubator right now | 12:33 |
| kragniz | I think this is what we'd like to use: | 12:33 |
| kragniz | https://bitbucket.org/zzzeek/sqlalchemy/issue/3104/transaction-replay-extension | 12:33 |
| zzzeek | kragniz: yeah i dont know that you want that, you’d have to show me use cases. that thing is a lot more risky | 12:33 |
| kragniz | hmm, okay | 12:34 |
| zzzeek | it is easeir to just run the whole method again with a decorator | 12:34 |
| zzzeek | rather than extracting out the SQL and re-running it | 12:34 |
| zzzeek | unless your code is really doing lots of other things in the method, like talking to services and such | 12:34 |
| kragniz | you reckon? | 12:35 |
| zzzeek | anyway I gotta jet, you know waht I know | 12:35 |
| kragniz | so when the transaction fails, just retry the whole method? | 12:35 |
| kragniz | cool, thanks for the help! | 12:35 |
| zzzeek | yaeh | 12:35 |
| zzzeek | hit me up later, ill be back this afternoon EDT | 12:35 |
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| viktors | kragniz: oslo.db can help you to repeat db-api query, if connection was lost during transaction. | 12:43 |
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| kragniz | viktors: cool, is that the entire transaction it can retry? | 12:44 |
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| viktors | kragniz: well, when we implemented this, we supposed, that db-api method run in a single transaction | 12:44 |
| kragniz | viktors: do you have a link to something using it? | 12:45 |
| kragniz | viktors: it sounds interesting | 12:45 |
| viktors | kragniz: this feature was made for Nova, but afaik, it not in use at the moment ( | 12:46 |
| kragniz | viktors: I'm inheriting an old fix which was written before oslo.db was used, so new stuff would be handy | 12:46 |
| kragniz | viktors: that's cool | 12:46 |
| kragniz | viktors: what's it called? I'm not at all familiar with oslo.db code | 12:47 |
| * kragniz only started with openstack 2 weeks ago | 12:47 | |
| viktors | kragniz: to use it, you should enable it in config - see related options https://github.com/openstack/oslo.db/blob/master/oslo/db/options.py#L115-L134 | 12:48 |
| kragniz | viktors: awesome! | 12:49 |
| viktors | kragniz: Not really ) You need also mark methods, which can be retried with @safe_for_db_retry decorator - https://github.com/openstack/oslo.db/blob/master/oslo/db/api.py#L41-L59 | 12:49 |
| kragniz | viktors: still pretty cool! | 12:49 |
| viktors | kragniz: it's nice to hear this :) | 12:51 |
| kragniz | viktors: :) | 12:51 |
| kragniz | viktors: hang on, isn't that only retrying the connection to the database, not the transaction in the database? | 12:54 |
| viktors | kragniz: transaction | 12:56 |
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| kragniz | viktors: hmmm, okay | 12:58 |
| viktors | kragniz: but retrying the connection to the database (on connect) was also =) | 12:59 |
| kragniz | viktors: cool, I'll keep poking around | 13:00 |
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| ttx | YorikSar: did you have time to do some testing on rootwrap ? We coud tag an alpha today | 13:15 |
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| YorikSar | ttx: Ah... Not yet. | 13:32 |
| YorikSar | ttx: I will probably be able to work on it later today... | 13:32 |
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| ttx | YorikSar: ok, let's target tomorrow for the tag | 13:40 |
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| YorikSar | ttx: I hope it won't be too late this week. | 13:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Victor Sergeyev proposed a change to openstack/oslo-incubator: Fix response_key parameter usage in BaseManager https://review.openstack.org/68963 | 14:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | amrith proposed a change to openstack/oslo.concurrency: Mask passwords in exceptions and error messages https://review.openstack.org/116763 | 14:56 |
| ekarlso | any oslo.db folks here ? | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | ekarlso: you probably want viktors or rpodolyaka | 14:59 |
| ekarlso | viktors: or rpodolyaka is there something in oslo.db that makes it retry db calls ? | 15:00 |
| ekarlso | if it fails | 15:00 |
| amrith | YorikSar, dhellmann, bnemec ... would you please take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114659/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114664/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116763/ | 15:02 |
| amrith | YorikSar, I just updated the last one of those with your most recent comments. thanks! | 15:03 |
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| kragniz | ekarlso: heh, I was asking the same question a about an hour ago | 15:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Victor Sergeyev proposed a change to openstack/oslo-incubator: Fix response_key parameter usage in BaseManager https://review.openstack.org/68963 | 15:04 |
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| rpodolyaka | ekarlso: hey! yeah, take a look at https://github.com/openstack/oslo.db/blob/master/oslo/db/api.py#L41-L120 | 15:05 |
| viktors | ekarlso: yes, we are discussed it with kragniz recently :) | 15:05 |
| ekarlso | well we have a funny issue with designate | 15:07 |
| viktors | ekarlso: what issue? | 15:07 |
| ekarlso | we have a test where it's supposed to fail as in it should raise that a marker is invalid | 15:07 |
| ekarlso | for some reason it retries the db call :| | 15:07 |
| ekarlso | anysays, gotta run out | 15:08 |
| viktors | ekarlso: can you provide a steps to reproduce? | 15:08 |
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| dims | dhellmann: could you please push out a new oslo.utils with the _import* fix when you get a chance? | 16:32 |
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| dhellmann | dims: sure thing | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | dims: we need to audit all of the released libs and make sure we've done all of the steps -- oslo.utils wasn't in devstack yet, for example | 16:37 |
| dhellmann | dims: do you have time to help with that this week? | 16:37 |
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| dims | dhellmann: i have just today. taking the rest of the week off :( back on monday morning | 16:38 |
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| dhellmann | oh,right, you told me that | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll start it and see if I can drum up some help | 16:39 |
| dims | let me do one round right now | 16:39 |
| dhellmann | dims: enjoy your vacation | 16:39 |
| dims | will let you know if i spot something | 16:39 |
| dims | thanks | 16:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/oslo-incubator: Add retry_on_deadlock decorator https://review.openstack.org/115706 | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | dims: thanks! | 16:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rossella Sblendido proposed a change to openstack/oslo.db: Retry query if db deadlock error is received https://review.openstack.org/109549 | 16:56 |
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| dims | dhellmann: we need to get rid of oslo.version at some point | 17:13 |
| dhellmann | dims: yeah, that's a relatively low priority, but I agree | 17:24 |
| dims | dhellmann: quick look yielded 3 reviews, added you as reviewer | 17:26 |
| dims | dhellmann: ack | 17:26 |
| dhellmann | dims: thanks for that! | 17:26 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: fungi reports that we need to get permission for the openstack bot to release pylockfile on pypi, can you chase that down? | 18:14 |
| dhellmann | jd__: it would be good if a human on the team (you?) had that permission, too | 18:15 |
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| mugsie | zzzeek: you around? | 18:26 |
| zzzeek | hey | 18:26 |
| mugsie | hey - we were having a discussion about how best to do SQL Migrations - I added you as a reviewer to the patchset | 18:27 |
| mugsie | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117105/ | 18:27 |
| mugsie | would be able to give us some guidence? | 18:27 |
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| zzzeek | i saw this the other day | 18:28 |
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| mugsie | yeah - this is a revert other a patch that put it in place | 18:29 |
| zzzeek | I’d vote for the earlier version | 18:29 |
| zzzeek | multiple statements with a semicolon is not really standard, sqlalchemy-migrate has some hacks to allow them | 18:29 |
| zzzeek | mugsie: but in reality, there’s a new patch to migrate that is going to break it up into separate execute() calls anyway | 18:29 |
| zzzeek | mugsie: so ditch the “;” and use separate calls to execute() | 18:30 |
| mugsie | the probelm is that about 20% of the time the migrations fails as we run "SET foreign_key_checks = 1;" | 18:30 |
| zzzeek | mugsie: well why is that | 18:30 |
| zzzeek | mugsie: is it because migrate_engine is using a different connection each time? | 18:30 |
| mugsie | we are not sure | 18:30 |
| zzzeek | mugsie: do this: with migrate_engine.begin() as conn: | 18:30 |
| zzzeek | mugsie: then run everything on conn.execute() | 18:30 |
| mugsie | ok, cool | 18:30 |
| zzzeek | i didnt write migrate, i abandoned it years ago brecause it made transactional DDL exceedingly difficulty | 18:30 |
| zzzeek | mugsie: ive been told its been added but its not clear when/if that is used | 18:31 |
| zzzeek | mugsie: seems like it is not here | 18:31 |
| mugsie | ok, thanks for the help | 18:31 |
| mugsie | we are plannig to try and move off of it, but.... you know, time, and devs apparently need sleep :) | 18:32 |
| zzzeek | mugsie: hopefully the begin() as conn works | 18:32 |
| * mugsie is pretty sure it is a lack of coffee | 18:32 | |
| mugsie | yep, I will give that a shot. thanks again | 18:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/oslo-specs: Remove docutils pin https://review.openstack.org/117163 | 18:47 |
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| YorikSar | dhellmann: ping | 19:06 |
| dhellmann | hi, YorikSar | 19:06 |
| YorikSar | dhellmann: Hi. I'd like to remind that after my verification ttx is going to release new alpha of oslo.rootwrap | 19:07 |
| YorikSar | dhellmann: I was told you should be kept in loop about this | 19:08 |
| dhellmann | YorikSar: yes, thank you for letting me know | 19:08 |
| dhellmann | YorikSar: I think you and ttx have it under control, so I don't have to be involved, but I like to know what's going on :-) | 19:08 |
| YorikSar | dhellmann: In fact I'm being a bit too careful and a bit too slow. I'm sure everything's working there but I want to make sure. | 19:11 |
| dims | dhellmann: how about we have "openstack-oslo/*" just like "openstack-infra/*" | 19:13 |
| dims | (at some point :) | 19:13 |
| dhellmann | dims: that might make some of these "make sure all of the libraries do X" tasks we keep finding | 19:16 |
| dhellmann | easier | 19:16 |
| dims | right and since we have our own release rhythm... | 19:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michael Bayer proposed a change to openstack/oslo-specs: Add long-lived-transactionalized-db-fixtures https://review.openstack.org/117335 | 19:32 |
| dhellmann | dims: yeah, that's a good point, too, although I hope we get onto the more regular cadence once this backlog of graduations is done | 19:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Bayer proposed a change to openstack/oslo-specs: Add long-lived-transactionalized-db-fixtures https://review.openstack.org/117335 | 19:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Michael Bayer proposed a change to openstack/oslo-specs: Add long-lived-transactionalized-db-fixtures https://review.openstack.org/117335 | 19:44 |
| zzzeek | dhellmann: ^ ^ ^ | 19:45 |
| dhellmann | zzzeek: cool, thanks, I'll take a look at that in the am when I'm fresh | 19:45 |
| zzzeek | yheah im not fresh either, time for a nap | 19:45 |
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| ekarlso | viktors: | 20:27 |
| ekarlso | you there sitll ? | 20:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Joshua Harlow proposed a change to openstack/taskflow: Use __qualname__ where appropriate https://review.openstack.org/106683 | 20:29 |
| ekarlso | or rpodolyaka | 20:29 |
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| dhellmann | amrith: I would feel better about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/114664/ is you got russellb to comment on it, since his name is on the change you're undoing there | 21:36 |
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| amrith | dhellmann, I agree. | 23:53 |
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