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| shintaro | hi | 14:01 |
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| mrhillsman | o/ | 14:01 |
| smcginnis | . | 14:02 |
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| shintaro | guess we don't have mihalis68 today | 14:03 |
| mrhillsman | possibly not | 14:03 |
| emccormick | o/ | 14:03 |
| emccormick | hi guys | 14:04 |
| shintaro | hi | 14:04 |
| mrhillsman | #startmeeting Ops Meetup Team | 14:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 20 14:04:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mrhillsman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_meetup_team' | 14:04 |
| mihalis68 | Yeah I am caught up in a desk move, sorry, can't join | 14:05 |
| mihalis68 | I was expecting it later | 14:05 |
| mrhillsman | thx chris | 14:05 |
| mrhillsman | no worries, got your back bud | 14:05 |
| mrhillsman | Previous meeting log - #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-06-13-14.02.html | 14:06 |
| shintaro | agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetups-team | 14:06 |
| shintaro | yet still empty :) | 14:06 |
| mrhillsman | thx | 14:06 |
| mrhillsman | was looking for the link | 14:06 |
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| emccormick | ok that's happily getting filled in. | 14:09 |
| shintaro | updating agenda | 14:09 |
| mrhillsman | alright, we got a few items there | 14:09 |
| emccormick | Hola Edgar | 14:09 |
| mrhillsman | please add more if necessary | 14:09 |
| mrhillsman | morning emagana | 14:09 |
| emagana | Hello mrhillsman | 14:10 |
| emagana | Hola emccormick | 14:10 |
| emagana | sorry for being late | 14:10 |
| mrhillsman | no worries | 14:10 |
| emagana | I am doing my best to be ready as soon as possible | 14:10 |
| mrhillsman | Same here, I have been out of the loop the past couple weeks with work stuff | 14:10 |
| mrhillsman | So the eventbrite has been created | 14:11 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/mexico-city-openstack-operators-meetup-tickets-34989052197 | 14:12 |
| mrhillsman | I have already purchased a ticket so it works | 14:12 |
| shintaro | great! | 14:12 |
| * med_ is kind of here. | 14:12 | |
| emccormick | and looks like updated with the correct start time | 14:12 |
| mrhillsman | We are able to get in at 10am from what I understand, emagana correct me if i am wrong | 14:12 |
| mihalis68 | I'm lurking today. | 14:12 |
| mihalis68 | yes 10am was confirmed on email | 14:12 |
| med_ | yep | 14:12 |
| mrhillsman | cool | 14:12 |
| mihalis68 | great work by edgar and gloria | 14:12 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: You are right. We are good for 10am to 6pm | 14:12 |
| mrhillsman | ++ | 14:12 |
| mrhillsman | I've added the link to the MEX midcycle etherpad | 14:13 |
| mrhillsman | bah | 14:13 |
| mrhillsman | #topic Review Previous Action Items | 14:13 |
| emccormick | what's the discussion around alternating meeting times? I know we mentioned it at the forum. Do we have folks that want to come at this point that can't? | 14:14 |
| emccormick | Or are we trying to let shintaro go to bed earlier? ;) | 14:14 |
| med_ | we didn't really poll for alternating meeting times. This time won the poll. | 14:14 |
| shintaro | thanks emccormick | 14:14 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 14:14 |
| med_ | other times were ON the poll. | 14:14 |
| shintaro | this time works for me | 14:15 |
| mrhillsman | we did agree to 1400 change | 14:15 |
| med_ | I'm a "don't care". | 14:15 |
| emccormick | ok, shall we call that one put to bed then? | 14:15 |
| mrhillsman | it is a moving target at this point and | 14:15 |
| mrhillsman | meh, fat fingered | 14:15 |
| mrhillsman | agreed should be put to bed | 14:16 |
| mihalis68 | thanks for clarifying med. I may have confused the issue when recalling that there were votes for alternating | 14:16 |
| emccormick | motion carries | 14:16 |
| mrhillsman | at least until it is awoke again hehe, we may do better eventually moving to alternating | 14:16 |
| emccormick | I think we've had lots of status updates to the list so that one seems covered as well | 14:16 |
| emccormick | yeah totally fine :) | 14:17 |
| mrhillsman | good stuff, anything more on previous action items? | 14:17 |
| mrhillsman | going once | 14:17 |
| emccormick | That looks like it. | 14:17 |
| mrhillsman | going twice | 14:18 |
| mrhillsman | moving on | 14:18 |
| mrhillsman | #topic Mexico City August 2017 | 14:18 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-meetup | 14:19 |
| mrhillsman | Etherpad for those who do not have already and for sharing | 14:19 |
| mrhillsman | I notice from the last meeting no breakfast due to venue opening time | 14:19 |
| mrhillsman | Do we have an idea of when we will be breaking for lunch | 14:20 |
| mrhillsman | Are there any time restrictions emagana ? | 14:20 |
| emagana | no plans for agenda yet | 14:20 |
| mrhillsman | ok | 14:20 |
| emagana | The local team is working on the sponsors as we speak | 14:20 |
| emccormick | 1pm seems about right for lunch | 14:21 |
| emagana | This is the sponsor prospectus doc: #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1CdyRrG6Y9Q0UhzFcrzeYHcwbZgSdm9Kh5oqBGmx4_8Y/edit?usp=sharing | 14:21 |
| emagana | It is NOT final. | 14:21 |
| emagana | but I take the feedback for 1pm for lunch! | 14:21 |
| mrhillsman | cool | 14:21 |
| emccormick | 1-2 coffee break at 4ish | 14:22 |
| mrhillsman | Do we know about the room layout? | 14:22 |
| mrhillsman | I ask so that we can start thinking about the agenda | 14:22 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=694332776 | 14:22 |
| emagana | We have one big room and few small ones. | 14:22 |
| emagana | The local team is doing terrific work on the logistics for the event. | 14:22 |
| emagana | We need YOUR help on the topics. the Etherpad has almost no info about sessions. | 14:22 |
| emagana | This one: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-meetup | 14:23 |
| mrhillsman | Sure thing, we will push that starting today | 14:23 |
| mrhillsman | Was going to touch on that before moving to next topic | 14:23 |
| emagana | Yes, we need also help on communication. We need to spread the word and find how the total number of attendees. | 14:23 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: sounds good.. sorry for jumping ahead | 14:24 |
| mrhillsman | In general we get an idea of the # of rooms, and their capacity, and update that agenda spreadsheet | 14:24 |
| mrhillsman | in parallel to pushing for folks to start throwing out session ideas | 14:24 |
| mrhillsman | So we have a couple actions I think | 14:25 |
| emccormick | We haven't needed more than 2 rooms for a while. Maybe we could have a third set aside for spontaneous discussions. | 14:25 |
| emccormick | I will nag again about session ideas | 14:26 |
| mrhillsman | #action emccormick to push for session ideas on the MLs | 14:26 |
| emagana | Let me check the number of rooms, one second | 14:26 |
| mrhillsman | I would go to suggest putting it on the openstack-dev mailing list as well | 14:26 |
| mrhillsman | ok emagana | 14:26 |
| emccormick | Only 2 people have put in ideas so far and one of them is me, so there's at least 5 of you that need to put up ;) | 14:26 |
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| mrhillsman | haha, definitely | 14:27 |
| emagana | It seems tht they can have up to 6 small sections/rooms | 14:27 |
| shintaro | yes, I will | 14:27 |
| emagana | Let's keep it on 5 | 14:27 |
| emccormick | emagana can they be reconfigured into larger spaces? kinda like moving partitions or something? | 14:27 |
| emagana | emccormick: I will need to check with them. I do not know. | 14:27 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: You can assign me that action item | 14:28 |
| mrhillsman | ok, see if we can get an idea of the capacity | 14:28 |
| mrhillsman | #action emagana check for reconfiguring of smaller rooms and capacity (min/max) | 14:28 |
| emccormick | ok. We have the one that holds everyone, and then we would like another that can hold, say, 50. | 14:28 |
| emccormick | everything other than that would probably just be breakouts if needed | 14:28 |
| emagana | I do not think we can do that | 14:28 |
| mrhillsman | What do we think about the room sizes in Milan? | 14:29 |
| emccormick | they had a name for those at the summits, but I forget what they were called. Sessions that grew out of other sessions ;) | 14:29 |
| emagana | the big room is like a theater, It can't be set up differently | 14:29 |
| smcginnis | I'm pretty sure I will be able to attend. Any interest in a Cinder or TC session of some sort? | 14:29 |
| emccormick | mrhillsman: I thought Milan was good aside from climbing Everest in the secondary room. | 14:29 |
| mrhillsman | that one will be ok, we'll wait to hear back from you and adjust accordingly based on your action | 14:29 |
| mrhillsman | gotcha | 14:30 |
| mrhillsman | smcginnis put that bad boy on the etherpad | 14:30 |
| emccormick | smcginnis Yes on the Cinder. Is TC "committee" or "contributor" | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | mrhillsman: Will do. Feel free to give feedback on what specifically would be useful. | 14:30 |
| emccormick | ? | 14:30 |
| smcginnis | emccormick: Technical Committee | 14:31 |
| mrhillsman | yep, we will draft up the moderator template and then folks can drop particular discussion items there or they will be added from the brainstorming should they be put there | 14:31 |
| emccormick | always good to have updates | 14:31 |
| smcginnis | Cool, just let me know what would be useful. | 14:32 |
| mrhillsman | totally agree and it can help with us moving to get rid of the perception of dev|ops | 14:32 |
| mrhillsman | last thing here is reaching out to WGs | 14:32 |
| mrhillsman | we discussed in the UC meeting rather than simply a blanket invitation, reach out as well directly to WG chairs/leaders | 14:33 |
| mrhillsman | i think they may be able to as well identify folks in the region to attend | 14:34 |
| mrhillsman | and the user groups can be pinged again i think | 14:34 |
| mrhillsman | i know it is probably a bit more work, but with so many emails coming in and out, folks probably miss these or catch them late | 14:34 |
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| mrhillsman | anyone want to action reaching out to these folks? | 14:35 |
| mrhillsman | if not, i can | 14:35 |
| mrhillsman | ok, i'll take it hehe | 14:36 |
| mrhillsman | #action mrhillsman reach out directly to WGs and UGs | 14:36 |
| emagana | +1 | 14:36 |
| mrhillsman | anything else on this one? | 14:36 |
| mrhillsman | moving to next topic... | 14:36 |
| mrhillsman | #topic APAC | 14:37 |
| mrhillsman | anyone have the link for the proposal? | 14:37 |
| shintaro | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-meetup-venue-discuss-1st-2018 | 14:37 |
| mrhillsman | ty sir | 14:37 |
| shintaro | I've reached out for Korea, China, Taiwan, but have not got new proposal from them | 14:38 |
| ianychoi | Korea supports Japan's proposal :) | 14:39 |
| mrhillsman | Ok, thx shintaro | 14:39 |
| shintaro | Got response from Korea folks and they liked Tokyo | 14:39 |
| mrhillsman | awesome, ianychoi that means travel to japan is ok for korea folks? | 14:39 |
| shintaro | ah, thanks ianychoi | 14:39 |
| mrhillsman | i know there has been quite a desire for more openstack events in apac | 14:40 |
| ianychoi | mrhillsman, yep much better than going to US | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | hehe, agreed | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | cool | 14:40 |
| mrhillsman | well, i think at this point if anyone has any questions for the proposal we should be adding to the etherpad | 14:40 |
| emccormick | It looks fantastic to me. | 14:40 |
| shintaro | love to have feedback on date selection | 14:41 |
| emccormick | I hope I can pull off 2 trips to the other side of the planet in 3 months ;) | 14:41 |
| mrhillsman | #action all review the current apac proposal and add any questions concerns | 14:41 |
| med_ | just stay over, call it one long trip. :^) | 14:41 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 14:41 |
| mrhillsman | how is the weather during that time shintaro | 14:42 |
| shintaro | cold | 14:42 |
| emccormick | ;) | 14:42 |
| shintaro | but can expect sunny days | 14:42 |
| mrhillsman | as it relates to dates, can you check if there are other tech events happening during those proposed | 14:42 |
| med_ | sounds pleasant. | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | either in japan or near before or after the dates | 14:43 |
| shintaro | ok mrhillsman | 14:43 |
| med_ | tokyo is a very big place, even if there are other events, shouldn't NEGATIVELY impact a meetup (but perhaps you are looking for advertising/convincing-your-boss synergy) | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | i find often if there are some can make the case for attending if there are overlaps or one or two day on the front or back | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | med_ yep | 14:43 |
| med_ | +1 | 14:43 |
| mrhillsman | we have a not regarding theme | 14:44 |
| mrhillsman | we can continue to discuss going forward | 14:44 |
| mrhillsman | at some point we can reach out to folks in the region for ideas | 14:45 |
| mrhillsman | i think in general the consensus was it would be good to do going forward | 14:45 |
| mrhillsman | just need to try it out, learn, iterate | 14:45 |
| shintaro | yes, we have upcoming OpenStack Days event in July so I can ask for feedback | 14:45 |
| mrhillsman | great | 14:46 |
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| mrhillsman | actually there are a lot of them happening in July in the region | 14:46 |
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| shintaro | Also, feedback from Korea is welcome ianychi :) | 14:46 |
| mrhillsman | i'll ping the foundation - tom in particular - to see if he can capture some ideas too | 14:46 |
| mrhillsman | cool, exciting stuff, anything more on this topic? | 14:47 |
| shintaro | July will be Asia tour for Foundation folks | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | yep | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | i think there is like 6 stops | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | when is your local event shintaro ? | 14:47 |
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| shintaro | July 20-21 | 14:47 |
| mrhillsman | tokyo? | 14:48 |
| shintaro | yes | 14:48 |
| shintaro | We will be having local ops meetup then | 14:48 |
| mrhillsman | i am going to china days, will try to sneak that in hehe | 14:48 |
| emccormick | my only thought on dates is that the March dates afford doing a Wednesday - Thursday meetup so we could fly home Friday and spend the weekend recovering. | 14:48 |
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| mrhillsman | makes sense, please add to etherpad emccormick so we can capture that | 14:49 |
| emccormick | Other than that, it's overall an amazingly unoccupied time | 14:49 |
| shintaro | good point I will check | 14:49 |
| emccormick | shintaro: It's the last of the 3 date ranges you posted in your proposal | 14:50 |
| mrhillsman | #action shintaro check on wed-thurs scheduling | 14:50 |
| mrhillsman | #action mrhillsman ping foundation for theme ideas from asia tour | 14:51 |
| mrhillsman | alright, almost at time, anything else? | 14:51 |
| mihalis68 | might I bring up a new topic> | 14:51 |
| mihalis68 | ? | 14:51 |
| med_ | of course | 14:51 |
| mrhillsman | #topic Open Discussion | 14:51 |
| mihalis68 | I'll b v.brief | 14:51 |
| mrhillsman | go for it | 14:51 |
| mihalis68 | I run 9 openstack production installations. OpenStack Liberty | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | this is no longer documented on docs.openstack.org | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | I have told our vendor (Canonical) to look into fixing that | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | the reasons for ditching docs are weak | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | I woiuld like to know if other operators also run into this problem | 14:52 |
| mrhillsman | we did discuss during forum this in part | 14:52 |
| mihalis68 | specifically we are still on nova-network and althrough we know very well we must move | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | that roesn't mean nuking nova-network docs makes sense | 14:53 |
| med_ | https://docs.openstack.org/liberty/ | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | that link takes you to all up-to-date docs med | 14:53 |
| mihalis68 | it's a trap! | 14:53 |
| med_ | noted. | 14:53 |
| med_ | :) | 14:53 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 14:53 |
| emccormick | I've bitched about this before as well. I see no reason to nuke docs ever. | 14:54 |
| med_ | so is it still in git or is this in a wiki? If in git, easy to resurrect, checkout, etc locally | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | so a) letting people know we are supporting (via vanonical) a look into restoring old but not terribly old docs (after all Liberty is fairly useful/stable) | 14:54 |
| emccormick | They require no maintenance. They are frozen in time. Put a note in them that says so and move on. | 14:54 |
| mrhillsman | mihalis68 could you put this out on the ML | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | b) asking for any "me too!" assents to this (or say we suck, that's interesting too) | 14:54 |
| med_ | yep, should go to mail list both ops and generic @opentack | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | sure action me up | 14:54 |
| med_ | will surely "Me too." | 14:54 |
| med_ | good operator issue. | 14:54 |
| emccormick | +1 | 14:54 |
| mihalis68 | after all Liberty in an Ubuntu LTS is supported | 14:54 |
| med_ | but not by OpenStack.org | 14:55 |
| mrhillsman | #action mihalis68 start ML thread regarding EOL of docs.openstack.org | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | well they have their view | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | I have mine | 14:55 |
| med_ | yep | 14:55 |
| mihalis68 | if openstack.org lost all touch with production operators, it would cease to have any point at all | 14:55 |
| * med_ is jumping to another meeting. | 14:55 | |
| mrhillsman | i think it is just a discussion that has not been pushed | 14:55 |
| mrhillsman | but let's get on ML | 14:55 |
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| mrhillsman | motion to end meeting... | 14:56 |
| emagana | maybe docs should own by project instead of being a project itself. | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | thanks to all for making the meeting work without me. Not that I am essentual but I had planned to chair and then a man came to myt desk and said tie to pack up! | 14:56 |
| emagana | second mrhillsman | 14:56 |
| mihalis68 | +1 | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 20 14:56:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-06-20-14.04.html | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-06-20-14.04.txt | 14:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-06-20-14.04.log.html | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | thanks everyone! | 14:56 |
| ianychoi | shintaro, and thanks a lot for user-survey translation into Japanese - hope that more Japanese operators will more participate in user survey in Japanese. | 14:56 |
| shintaro | thank you | 14:56 |
| mrhillsman | totally agreed ianychoi! | 14:57 |
| shintaro | we still need to reveiw it, though | 14:57 |
| emccormick | docs are for sure goine | 14:57 |
| emccormick | gone | 14:57 |
| ianychoi | I see :) | 14:57 |
| emccormick | they are kept with projects and projects only go back to Mitaka in github | 14:57 |
| emagana | emccormick: ohhh!!! | 14:57 |
| emagana | I worked so hard in the networking guide. I hope the Neutron team keep it updated | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | they are still in git | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/liberty-eol | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | for example | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | you will have to build them manually | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | but they are there | 14:58 |
| emccormick | oh docs-manuals is different but they killed that also | 14:58 |
| mrhillsman | not suggesting that as the lts at all | 14:58 |
| emccormick | but they havne't been updated per releaes I don't think | 14:58 |
| emccormick | mrhillsman that's manuals though. how would you get nova docs? | 14:59 |
| mrhillsman | got to run but let's hash it out on ML | 14:59 |
| emccormick | openstack-manuals is just guides and such | 14:59 |
| emccormick | *nod* | 14:59 |
| mrhillsman | i will check emccormick good question | 14:59 |
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| emccormick | Catch you guys later. Cheers! | 14:59 |
| shintaro | bye | 15:00 |
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| mrhillsman | emccormick: https://github.com/openstack/nova/tree/liberty-eol/doc | 15:00 |
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| mrhillsman | i do not know how far back that works since there were changes from docs team managing to projects managing | 15:01 |
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| mrhillsman | or what not, but maybe that is what you are looking for | 15:01 |
| emccormick | ah awesome. Thanks mrhillsman | 15:01 |
| mrhillsman | you're welcome | 15:02 |
| mrhillsman | catch you all l8r | 15:02 |
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| yankcrime | zioproto i've just updated my python-openstackclient pip package and it's now fine | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | not sure if anyone is still around, but I missed a couple of questions. The docs are still in git, yes. Also I bet I could build them. All true | 15:12 |
| yankcrime | actually it looks like the 'bug' was in one of the dependant libraries | 15:12 |
| mihalis68 | however I think they should be in the "obvious" place so that all operators of down-rev openstack installations may find them easily | 15:12 |
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| jproulx | I seem to have an ml2/ovs setup loosing packets "under load" anyone seen that, seems to be before hitting iptables stuff which is where i expect contrack to be overflowing or something. | 15:40 |
| jproulx | (still thinking I'm looking wrongly & it is conntrack...) | 15:40 |
| jproulx | but net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_max = 1048576 and net.netfilter.nf_conntrack_count = 376888 (on hypervisor) | 15:43 |
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| logan- | has anyone tried to do conntrack bucketing per /32 or something along those lines to prevent a single instance from saturating conntrack_max? | 16:20 |
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| klindgren | logan-, I was not aware that you could partition connection tracking tables at all? | 17:29 |
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| logan- | klindgren: yeah, i'm not sure if it is possible. I was wondering if anyone has tried. I wonder if it could be done using the connlimit target | 18:00 |
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| logan- | I've seen some ddos recently where fairly high conntrack limits were temporarily exhausted by an attack toward a single VM until our sensors picked it up | 18:04 |
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| jproulx | anyone know of a good (or any) explanation of what the ovs flowrules on a hypervisor are supposed to be and actually do, so I can maybe tell if they are correct or not...this is one thing that is still just complete magic to me | 19:57 |
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| dweeks | Is anyone using OVS-DPDK 2.5 in RHOSP 10? | 20:09 |
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| yankcrime | jproulx it's a fairly old post now but https://assafmuller.com/2013/10/14/gre-tunnels-in-openstack-neutron/ is still a good read | 20:13 |
| jproulx | yankcrime: looks interesting thanks | 20:15 |
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| mriedem | are there any deployments which disable the neutron port_binding extension? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357726/ | 20:31 |
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