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| piet | Are any of the operators in this channel interested in participating in a study on mobile use cases? We're kind of hurting for folks to interview. | 15:55 |
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| mdorman | clayton: i’m struggling to find the wsgi stuff for neutron? did you get that one working under uwsgi? | 16:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mike Dorman proposed openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Update README with details on how to contribute to contrib repo. https://review.openstack.org/274772 | 16:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Dorman proposed openstack/osops-tools-generic: Update README with details on how to contribute to curated repo. https://review.openstack.org/274773 | 16:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Dorman proposed openstack/osops-tools-logging: Update README with details on how to contribute to logging repo. https://review.openstack.org/274774 | 16:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Dorman proposed openstack/osops-tools-monitoring: Update README with details on how to contribute to monitoring repo. https://review.openstack.org/274776 | 16:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Dorman proposed openstack/osops-example-configs: Update README with details on how to contribute to example configs repo. https://review.openstack.org/274777 | 16:39 |
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| clayton | no, last I looked it didn't exist | 16:51 |
| clayton | neutron is probably next on the list to do for us | 16:51 |
| mdorman | gottcha, thanks. we’re pretty interested in that one too because we get a lot of timeouts on nova->neutron calls | 16:52 |
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| clayton | I just want to get off of canonical's packaging | 16:55 |
| clayton | Finally getting around to working on upgrading to liberty, found a bug in neutron that breaks flat networking, canonical apparently hasn't rolled a new neutron package since the initial release | 16:56 |
| clayton | are you guys on liberty now? | 16:56 |
| mdorman | nope not yet. kilo.2 to get ready for it, though. | 16:59 |
| clayton | we're on kilo.<latest> for nova, but we're not going to upgrade that until everything else is on liberty | 16:59 |
| mdorman | kk. yeah we typically do everything at once. | 16:59 |
| clayton | so when I say I'm working on liberty upgrade, that's actually just glance, cinder and neutron | 16:59 |
| clayton | we used to, I'm glad we have the option not to now | 16:59 |
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| mdorman | right. we’re still in cross-dependency hell so we kinda have to | 17:00 |
| clayton | nod, we're at the point where we can see the light at the end of the tunnel | 17:00 |
| clayton | I got nova-compute working in docker a week or two ago,but that won't go to prod until after the superbowl. We won't upgrade the other services until that's deployed | 17:02 |
| mdorman | makes sense | 17:02 |
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| mdorman | we’ll probably go the venv route, not sure about containers yet, but we need something more sane | 17:02 |
| clayton | I found deploying venvs to just be a pain in the ass | 17:03 |
| clayton | probably not as bad if you prebuild them and ship them as tarballs though | 17:03 |
| clayton | we switched to doing that for the CLI clients a while ago | 17:03 |
| clayton | we build one venv per client with exactly the version we want, then hardlink all the common files together and generate an archive | 17:04 |
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| clayton | then we have puppet drop that in /usr/local under a unique directory and symlink them into /usr/bin | 17:04 |
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| clayton | the two biggest issues we have with venvs in production is the amount of time it takes to build them (if you do it with puppet) and updating them reliably is basically impossible. you need to build a new one every time you update them, otherwise they end up with weird cruft that ends up breaking them eventually | 17:07 |
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| klindgren | I am interested in doingthe container route. Though I am getting tired of dependancy hell with redhat- where they release a new version of something into epel thats a higher version that what some of the openstack projects want. | 17:21 |
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| klindgren | Latest was something with epel + ceilometer | 17:21 |
| mdorman | good to know, clayton | 17:21 |
| clayton | well, if you do docker, you can run ubuntu in them! | 17:22 |
| clayton | I've thought about running alpine actually, but we'd have to mirror it locally, etc | 17:22 |
| clayton | we'd get better results for smaller containers in the short run by just building the venvs we put inside of them outside of the final image | 17:23 |
| clayton | so we didn't have to put compilers and crap into the venv | 17:23 |
| clayton | err, venv = base image | 17:24 |
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| klindgren | that was my thought as well | 17:29 |
| klindgren | also nice to remove config drift as it never seems like the versions of ancilary packages in prod are the same as dev | 17:30 |
| klindgren | so it would be nice to know that everything you pushed out to prod was exactly the same in dev/test/stage | 17:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mike Dorman proposed openstack/osops-example-configs: Update README with details on how to contribute to example configs repo. https://review.openstack.org/274777 | 18:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Dorman proposed openstack/osops-tools-contrib: Update README with details on how to contribute to contrib repo. https://review.openstack.org/274772 | 18:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Dorman proposed openstack/osops-tools-generic: Update README with details on how to contribute to curated repo. https://review.openstack.org/274773 | 18:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Dorman proposed openstack/osops-tools-logging: Update README with details on how to contribute to logging repo. https://review.openstack.org/274774 | 18:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Dorman proposed openstack/osops-tools-monitoring: Update README with details on how to contribute to monitoring repo. https://review.openstack.org/274776 | 18:30 |
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| mdorman | anybody using something other than native python to do ssl termination for neutron api? I’ve moved ssl termination to haproxy, but now neutron provides http:// references to itself, i need it to provide https:// references. | 19:06 |
| clayton | mdorman: yes, all the services except heat are stupid about this | 19:07 |
| clayton | there is a new middleware that addresses this, but I think you need to be on liberty for it | 19:07 |
| clayton | heat will accept a X-Forwarded-Proto header and make its version responses match that | 19:07 |
| mdorman | i think i did it with nova with enabled_ssl_apis | 19:08 |
| mdorman | not seeing a thing in neutron like that, but i’m looking. | 19:08 |
| klindgren | clayton, whats the middlewear? | 19:08 |
| clayton | it's in oslo middleware, let me find it | 19:09 |
| klindgren | I can see if we can fudge the versions enough to pull it into our kilo deployment stuff | 19:09 |
| clayton | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.middleware/blob/master/oslo_middleware/http_proxy_to_wsgi.py | 19:09 |
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| clayton | that makes wsgi lie to the app and think it's running under https, or whatever you pass in via the http headers | 19:10 |
| klindgren | Also - is any one super happy with their glance-registry monitoring? | 19:10 |
| clayton | the version endpoints are constructed using the information in the wsgi environment, which is why it always returns the right hostname at least | 19:10 |
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| klindgren | seems like we have cases where glance-registry goes full retard until a restart happens. | 19:11 |
| clayton | I've seen glance api chew up gigs of memory, but not that problem | 19:11 |
| klindgren | I htink it happens when glance-registry gets cut off from its db server for a short period. I seems to bascially never recover | 19:12 |
| mdorman | ugh, not sure this is worth my effort to go down this middleware road | 19:14 |
| klindgren | looks like it was added in oslo-middleware 2.9.0 | 19:15 |
| mgagne | mdorman I'm sure you saw this thread back in september: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/074871.html | 19:15 |
| mgagne | mdorman not much conclusion except: just wait, it's gonna be better in the next versions | 19:16 |
| mgagne | regarding SSL termination | 19:16 |
| klindgren | seems like liberty is going to be the requirement for that middleware | 19:16 |
| clayton | everyone just using that middleware seems like the cleanest solution | 19:17 |
| clayton | if you're doing ssl offload, you can probably insert headers when you do it | 19:17 |
| mdorman | thanks mgagne i had just found that when you mentioned it :) | 19:17 |
| mgagne | mdorman blog post I was working on back then: https://gist.github.com/mgagne/f298c151b61d44cb5fea | 19:18 |
| mgagne | mdorman shows the config madness | 19:18 |
| mgagne | and inconsistencies | 19:19 |
| mdorman | thanks mgagne | 19:21 |
| mdorman | that’s helpful | 19:21 |
| mgagne | we have yet to fix it ourselves, not much priority on that :-/ | 19:21 |
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| clayton | the good news with liberty is that restarting OVS agent isn't quite the disaster it used to be | 19:22 |
| clayton | just did a test with 33 instances behind 33 routers and restarting it caused them to miss about two pings each | 19:22 |
| clayton | otoh, I'm still seeing a 1-2 minute outage when doing the upgrade from kilo to liberty | 19:23 |
| clayton | which I had hoped wouldn't be required | 19:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Simon Leinen proposed openstack/osops-tools-generic: Region support for Neutron scripts https://review.openstack.org/274863 | 19:24 |
| mdorman | fun | 19:24 |
| clayton | oh hrm, we don't have neutron root wrap enabled for compute nodes I bet | 19:24 |
| mdorman | openstack: like ice skating up hill | 19:27 |
| mdorman | i should totally troll the success bot with that | 19:27 |
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| dmsimard | If someone wants to file a bug for a script in https://github.com/openstack/osops-tools-monitoring, is there somewhere he can do that ? | 23:54 |
| dmsimard | mdorman,j^2 ^ | 23:54 |
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