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| apetrich | rakhmerov, oh dear. looking into that | 07:49 |
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| rakhmerov | apetrich: yeah ) | 07:52 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 07:52 |
| rakhmerov | apetrich: it looks monstrous but mostly consists of the tests | 07:53 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal, apetrich: TripleO gate in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/544318/ is still failing. I looked at it but didn't understand why. Is it something known on the tripleO side or you think it's Mistral specific? | 07:58 |
| apetrich | rakhmerov, that's really messy and weird. It seems it failed on setting the repos on the undercloud. I will take a better look when I'm fully in | 08:00 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 08:29 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: sure, we can delete the milestone - but I guess there could still be an rc2? | 08:46 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: as far as I understand the deadline was last Fri | 08:46 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: no, finaly RCs can be released up until the 23rd | 08:47 |
| rakhmerov | but for some reason I still don't see that 6.0.0 is released | 08:47 |
| d0ugal | then the release is 26th - march 2nd | 08:47 |
| d0ugal | https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 08:47 |
| rakhmerov | hm... | 08:47 |
| rakhmerov | looking.. | 08:48 |
| rakhmerov | I was sure it was the last week | 08:48 |
| d0ugal | so there wont be 6.0 until at least the 26th :) | 08:48 |
| rakhmerov | hah, yes | 08:49 |
| rakhmerov | my mistake | 08:49 |
| rakhmerov | then yes, OK! | 08:49 |
| rakhmerov | btw, there's at least one thing I'd like to backport when the patch is ready | 08:49 |
| rakhmerov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1714054 | 08:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1714054 in Mistral "tasks listed after pause do not run when workflow is resumed" [High,New] - Assigned to Renat Akhmerov (rakhmerov) | 08:49 |
| rakhmerov | I confirmed that it doesn't work and am fixing it now.. | 08:49 |
| d0ugal | also, re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467799/ - as I saidn, I'll try and review it this week. | 08:50 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 08:50 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 08:50 |
| rakhmerov | btw, please also look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545692/ | 08:50 |
| d0ugal | The lack of docs is a big issue tho IMO | 08:51 |
| rakhmerov | would be nice to backport it as well | 08:51 |
| rakhmerov | the lack of docs for what? | 08:51 |
| d0ugal | The events patch | 08:51 |
| rakhmerov | aah, he'll have to write them | 08:51 |
| rakhmerov | and I think for the next cycle (R) we need to consider this functionality experimental | 08:52 |
| d0ugal | I feel like to review it I need to try it out, but that is going to take a long time with no docs. | 08:52 |
| rakhmerov | I'm still not sure about some design decisions we made | 08:52 |
| rakhmerov | yes, understandable | 08:52 |
| d0ugal | I don't agree with landing experimental code, so you just made me worried | 08:52 |
| rakhmerov | that's why I'd rather let it merge and experiment with it throughout the cycle | 08:52 |
| d0ugal | Did you test it? | 08:52 |
| rakhmerov | no! | 08:53 |
| d0ugal | :/ | 08:53 |
| apetrich | massive patch is massive | 08:53 |
| rakhmerov | I will | 08:53 |
| rakhmerov | but have no time now | 08:53 |
| d0ugal | Indeed | 08:53 |
| d0ugal | A common problem :) | 08:53 |
| rakhmerov | and I'd personally prefer docs in a separate patch | 08:54 |
| rakhmerov | anyway | 08:54 |
| d0ugal | That is fine | 08:54 |
| d0ugal | but when we talked about it before we said there should at least be a draft docs patch up | 08:54 |
| rakhmerov | he's really mad that nobody wants to review the patch already ) | 08:54 |
| rakhmerov | if we ask him to add the docs he'll never finish it ) | 08:55 |
| d0ugal | well, he is also inactive in the Mistral community - until he wants something merged. | 08:55 |
| rakhmerov | true | 08:55 |
| d0ugal | I'm concerned if we merge it he will never finish it either | 08:55 |
| rakhmerov | but I don't know how to fix it | 08:55 |
| rakhmerov | I tried many times but failed | 08:55 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: in this case I'll take the responsibility for it | 08:56 |
| d0ugal | He has expectations from us, we should be allowed expectations from him | 08:56 |
| rakhmerov | I wanted to make something similar for years anyway | 08:56 |
| rakhmerov | I know Dougal but it is what it is | 08:56 |
| rakhmerov | let it be my responsibility | 08:56 |
| rakhmerov | he is a good engineer indeed but he's busy with other things all the time | 08:57 |
| d0ugal | We are all busy people :) | 08:57 |
| rakhmerov | so I am grateful with this anyway | 08:57 |
| rakhmerov | well, yes, but he mostly work in a completely different community | 08:57 |
| rakhmerov | not OpenStack | 08:57 |
| rakhmerov | we're at least in OpenStack all the time | 08:58 |
| rakhmerov | so it's not easy for him | 08:58 |
| rakhmerov | will be right back | 08:58 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: just one more thought on the Winson's patch. You now have the final word in such situations. I can express my opinion, of course, but you can block things if you believe they are not ready or not compliant with the OpenStack rules | 09:37 |
| rakhmerov | so, please don't think I'm rebelling or something )) | 09:38 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: sure, thanks | 09:39 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I'll have some time to start looking at it this morning | 09:40 |
| d0ugal | I am mostly fine with it in theory. | 09:41 |
| d0ugal | but I am not sure how we get a commitment of docs etc. | 09:41 |
| d0ugal | Maybe I can revert it if we don't get docs before the end of Rocky :P | 09:42 |
| d0ugal | and if you consider it experimental, I think it should be clearly marked as such | 09:42 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov, apetrich - I tried one more recheck on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/544318/. I was seeing a similar error in my dev env, but it is okay now. So I think there may have been a packaging issue that is now resolved. | 09:55 |
| d0ugal | If it fails again I'll dig in further | 09:55 |
| apetrich | d0ugal, yeah it really smelled of infra issue | 09:56 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: when would you use the remote notifier? | 10:53 |
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| apetrich | would the notifier thread increase load? | 13:05 |
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| thrash | fyi: this should pass now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539553 | 13:06 |
| apetrich | thrash, https://media.giphy.com/media/MjwL3oUTVPIOs/giphy.gif | 13:19 |
| thrash | NONE SHALL PASS | 13:20 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: regarding the failure, thanks, got it | 13:43 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: as far as remote notifier, it's basically the exact same architecture as with executo | 13:43 |
| rakhmerov | executor | 13:43 |
| rakhmerov | a remote notifier could be used when we want a better scalability, for example | 13:43 |
| rakhmerov | and better decoupling of the components | 13:44 |
| rakhmerov | so that engine process doesn't do all notifications itself (with the corresponding load) | 13:44 |
| rakhmerov | e.g. if it involves some heavy processing and/or uses some heavy transport | 13:45 |
| rakhmerov | so he was basically following the decisions we made in Denver and I guess it's captured in the spec | 13:46 |
| rakhmerov | as far as commitment to write the docs, I agree | 13:46 |
| rakhmerov | like I said, I'm taking responsibility for it | 13:46 |
| rakhmerov | and yes, we can revert it if it's not done till the end of Rocky | 13:47 |
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| d0ugal | apetrich: the notifier has its own server afaict, so it shouldn't add load unless you run it. | 14:01 |
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| apetrich | thrash, rbrady might not have enough internets today to do the scum | 14:32 |
| thrash | apetrich: ack | 14:32 |
| apetrich | trying anyway | 14:32 |
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| apetrich | lol can't even send messages on chat | 14:36 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I added one more topic to the etherpad which we MUST solve in Rocky | 15:13 |
| rakhmerov | moving away from "blocking" executor in oslo.messaging | 15:14 |
| d0ugal | oh yeah | 15:15 |
| d0ugal | damn, I hate that issue :) | 15:15 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: oh yeeah | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | absolutely | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | it's a pain in the b...t | 15:16 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: most likely I'll have to skip the planning today, or at least a significant part of it | 15:18 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: no worries | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | I asked Andras to join so he might | 15:18 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: in a meeting now btw | 15:18 |
| d0ugal | great | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 15:18 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: are you going to make the schedule today or we can give people a couple of days more to add their items? | 15:20 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I might start today, but probably over tomorrow and wednesday | 15:21 |
| d0ugal | I can always adjust it if we get more ideas after | 15:21 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks | 15:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Renat Akhmerov proposed openstack/mistral master: Explain better combinations of task names and engine commands in docs https://review.openstack.org/545692 | 16:03 |
| umbSublime | does mistral use taskflow behind the scene ? | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | no | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | umbSublime: we tried to long ago but found that the execution models were significantly different | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | we even had a whitepaper somewhere on that topic.. | 16:04 |
| umbSublime | I'm currently checking out both mistral and taskflow for creating workflows. I've currently got a POC working on taskflow, but I also want to create one with mistral to compare | 16:05 |
| umbSublime | just learned about mistral today actually :p | 16:05 |
| umbSublime | I'm watching your Sydney talk rakhmerov :) | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | cool | 16:06 |
| umbSublime | according to the wiki mistral is still in POC (v0.1.1), but according to github you have 6.0.0 tag. Is it prod ready ? | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | umbSublime: forget about wiki :) | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | it's seriously out of date | 16:09 |
| umbSublime | hehe yah I figured :p | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | we'll fix it at some point.. | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | or remove completely | 16:09 |
| umbSublime | also from what I understand aside from keystone, mistral can be used as a stand-alone thing ? | 16:11 |
| umbSublime | aka I can also use it for things unrelated to OS | 16:11 |
| umbSublime | hehe intead of asking 1000 questions is there some up-to-date doc I should look at :p | 16:12 |
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| d0ugal | umbSublime: you don't even need Keystone btw | 16:50 |
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| d0ugal | umbSublime: https://docs.openstack.org/mistral/latest/ | 16:51 |
| d0ugal | That is the best documentation we have, but it isn't great. | 16:51 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: we should remove the wiki and direct people to the docs. I'll make a note to do that. | 16:51 |
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| umbSublime | thx d0ugal I'll check this out in the next N days :)\ | 16:59 |
| d0ugal | umbSublime: np, we can try and help in here. | 17:00 |
| d0ugal | umbSublime: Just so you know, the OpenStack PTG is on next week - so it will be quiet in here then. | 17:00 |
| umbSublime | hehe makes sense :) | 17:01 |
| umbSublime | I've just talked to my boss, he wants me to make the taskflow POC more robust before investigating other solutions. But from my first impression mistral is the way to go | 17:01 |
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| thrash | d0ugal: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539553/ | 18:23 |
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| d0ugal | thrash: +W | 20:43 |
| thrash | d0ugal: awesome. Thanks! | 20:43 |
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| zigo | Looks like mistral Queens rc1 really needs mistral-lib >= 0.4. I got failure when using 0.3 from requirements. | 22:21 |
| zigo | I'd suggest fix the global-reqs ... | 22:21 |
| zigo | Filling a bug just for that is probably too much ... :P | 22:26 |
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