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| openstackgerrit | Yuuichi Fujioka proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Apply six for metaclass https://review.openstack.org/50211 | 02:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jenkins proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/49680 | 06:05 |
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| rushiagr | hi folks | 09:14 |
| rushiagr | I wanted to know what all metering ceilometer supports? | 09:14 |
| rushiagr | sorry, I meant monitoring | 09:15 |
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| rushiagr | to be more specific, does it support network, database monitoring? | 09:15 |
| fandikurnia01 | hi qordc | 09:15 |
| rushiagr | and similar 'low level' things | 09:16 |
| fandikurnia01 | done i missing parameter | 09:16 |
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| yfujioka | rushiagr: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ceilometer/measurements.html ? | 09:53 |
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| rushiagr | yfujioka: thanks, looking | 09:54 |
| rushiagr | does ceilometer has host-level monitoring, e.g. I want to know the CPU usage, memory consumption of compute nodes | 09:57 |
| rushiagr | yfujioka: | 09:57 |
| yfujioka | rushiagr: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/monitoring-physical-devices | 09:58 |
| yfujioka | rushiagr: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/ceilometer-hosts-measurement | 09:59 |
| rushiagr | yfujioka: thanks so much | 10:01 |
| rushiagr | yfujioka: thats what I was looking for | 10:01 |
| yfujioka | rushiagr: :) | 10:01 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: ping? | 11:54 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: pong! | 11:54 |
| dhellmann | do we care about the way imports are grouped at the tops of files in ceilometer? some of the projects have rules about that, but I don't think we've put that into place, yet | 11:55 |
| dhellmann | I'm looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/50211/3 and noticed that six is sometimes grouped with the stdlib modules, and in some files we have all of the imports in one group together | 11:56 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: my policy is that if we can have an automatic check, we should enable it, fix the code, and then care | 11:57 |
| jd__ | until then, I don't care | 11:57 |
| jd__ | until that happens, I don't care | 11:57 |
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| jd__ | I don't want people to spend time checking these things manually and being kicked out for that, it's lame | 11:58 |
| dhellmann | jd__: sure, I think that means turning on "hacking" and not just flake8 | 11:58 |
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| jd__ | but it's likely that hacking supports that and that we have it disabld | 11:58 |
| jd__ | well we should have no ignore for flake8 ultimately :) | 11:59 |
| dhellmann | ah, we are running hacking and have some ignores turned on | 11:59 |
| dhellmann | ok, I didn't remember talking about it and it came up in a keystone review yesterday so it was on my mind | 12:00 |
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| jd__ | ok :) | 12:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Fix the developer documentation of the alarm API https://review.openstack.org/46980 | 12:14 |
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| sgran | has anyone actually gotten the ubuntu packages of ceilometer to do anything useful so far? | 12:21 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Apply six for metaclass https://review.openstack.org/50211 | 12:25 |
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| lsmola | jd__, hello | 12:32 |
| lsmola | jd__, can I have a quick question? | 12:32 |
| jd__ | lsmola: you just did | 12:32 |
| jd__ | go ahead :) | 12:32 |
| lsmola | jd__, oh, darn | 12:33 |
| lsmola | jd__, :-D | 12:33 |
| lsmola | jd__, ok 3 quick questions? (2 just passed) :-) | 12:33 |
| jd__ | hehe | 12:33 |
| lsmola | jd__, I was wondering whether there will be some more info regarding meters in ceiloemter | 12:33 |
| jd__ | such as? | 12:34 |
| lsmola | jd__, like description, and which service does it concern | 12:34 |
| lsmola | jd__, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/47579/3/openstack_dashboard/api/ceilometer.py | 12:34 |
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| lsmola | jd__, I am now implementing it in Horizon side | 12:34 |
| jd__ | nop, there is not such information | 12:35 |
| jd__ | nor plan to add more AFAICT | 12:35 |
| lsmola | jd__, ok, and is it plan to be? or this doesn't belong to Ceilometer? | 12:35 |
| lsmola | jd__, ok | 12:35 |
| lsmola | jd__, I will keep it on Horizon side | 12:35 |
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| jd__ | I think it's better for now yeah | 12:36 |
| jd__ | maybe we'll do something in the future, I really don't know | 12:36 |
| lsmola | jd__, cool, thank you | 12:36 |
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| thomasm | Hey all! | 13:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Gran proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Change alarm_history.detail to text type https://review.openstack.org/50351 | 13:37 |
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| jd__ | dhellmann or sileht around? | 13:52 |
| sileht | jd__, yes | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | jd__: pong | 13:53 |
| jd__ | cool :) | 13:53 |
| jd__ | has one of you any idea on what wsme.validate() is supposed to be useful for? | 13:53 |
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| jd__ | it seems to me that wsme_pecan.wsexpose already does that | 13:54 |
| jd__ | (or should?) | 13:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Gran proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Change alarm_history.detail to text type https://review.openstack.org/50351 | 13:54 |
| dhellmann | jd__: yeah, I think validate might be for the wsme controller, which we've replaced with pecan | 13:56 |
| dhellmann | or maybe the pecan adapter wsexpose should have been implemented by calling validate at some point? | 13:56 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: this is what I think actually, but just wanted to have a confirmation, even vague | 13:57 |
| jd__ | I'm going to work on that | 13:57 |
| jd__ | I've already 2 patches cleaning out our API using WSME master branch, that's pretty cool | 13:57 |
| sileht | jd__, I think this is because they are confusion between the wsme.expose and the wsme_pecan.expose, most of example just show @expose without the import | 13:57 |
| jd__ | sileht: yeah, confusion's a good answer I think :) | 13:57 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: btw I think I'll send a request for release a new beta of WSME soon now | 13:58 |
| dhellmann | I see that validate() calls set_arg_types() but the pecan wrapper does not | 13:58 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: I think all release issues are settled by now? | 13:58 |
| dhellmann | jd__: let me look and see if that infra patch landed | 13:59 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: whaaat, now you're trying to fix the bug instead of me, unfair! don't steal my bug! ;) | 13:59 |
| dhellmann | jd__: you get to write enough code, leave some for the rest of us! | 13:59 |
| jd__ | gnak gnak gnak :-) | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | jd__: I'll have to ask fungi, I can't find that review | 14:01 |
| sileht | jd__, I think http://pythonhosted.org/WSME/ seems to be generated with the old hg repo | 14:02 |
| sileht | version is WSME 0.5b3dev-20130820 instead of 0.5b5dev-blabla | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | sileht: it is, we haven't enabled updates to that version of the docs from stackforge yet | 14:03 |
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| sileht | dhellmann, ok | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | sileht: the version on readthedocs.org is being updated, though, I think | 14:03 |
| sileht | dhellmann, oh yes thanks | 14:04 |
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| dhellmann | jd__: fungi says WSME releases should work properly now | 14:05 |
| jd__ | dhellmann: great! | 14:05 |
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| * gordc wonders if email from Mark Atwood to RSVP is real or very very elaborate spam... | 14:36 | |
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| thomasm | dhellmann, Hey, got a moment? I wanted to chat about the email thread we've been discussing Stevedore in. =] | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | thomasm: about to start a meeting :-( | 14:59 |
| thomasm | dhellmann, Ahhh, no worries. Later today? I feel like we've got some misunderstanding going on there and I wanted to have a little quicker feedback channel. :P | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | thomasm: about an hour from now? | 15:00 |
| thomasm | dhellmann, Haha, I've got a meeting then. How about, let's see it's 10AM CST now, so how about 3 hours? | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | thomasm: that should work, ping me when you're online | 15:01 |
| thomasm | dhellmann, Awesome. Thanks! | 15:01 |
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| thomasm | dhellmann, I got back a little sooner than I expected. I read your email. I understand that iterating over the extensions would be the same thing without the exception check; so that speaks to handling it differently when we're aware of the possibility of no extensions. | 17:27 |
| thomasm | So, the piece I was missing was why we needed the trade-off. The extension being instantiated somewhere that logging isn't set up is the case that sort of confuses me. I would think if someone were setting it up in some other place, they'd implement logging for that. | 17:30 |
| thomasm | Probably just some situation I haven't encountered before. | 17:30 |
| thomasm | Maybe something I could add to the documentation for Stevedore or request that it be added as a prescribed way of using potentially extension-less managers (if they're all turned off). | 17:33 |
| dhellmann | thomasm: we had some cases early on where the manager was created as a class attribute, and at that point there is no logging | 17:34 |
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| dhellmann | thomasm: I'm reluctant to turn off the safety check in map() because stevedore hides so much of the plugin management from the app. I don't want a case where an app thinks it is doing something useful when it really isn't because none of its plugins loaded. Hence the exception, which the app developer can choose to catch and ignore. | 17:35 |
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| dhellmann | thomasm: brb, need some food | 17:35 |
| thomasm | sure | 17:45 |
| thomasm | dhellmann, Why wouldn't logging be implemented in the class using the ExtensionManager where you saw that problem? Is there a limitation of Python there? | 17:57 |
| thomasm | Or is it just not good practice to log that way? | 17:57 |
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| thomasm | Something to do with how it's bound or something? | 18:06 |
| * thomasm is far from the Python expert | 18:06 | |
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| dhellmann | thomasm: class attributes are created when the module is imported, so it's a timing issue | 18:15 |
| thomasm | dhellmann, What about logging in the module that's being imported? | 18:16 |
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| thomasm | So, I have a module that contains classes that are using an ExtensionManager, why not log in that module to catch exceptions that may happen there? | 18:18 |
| dhellmann | it's not a matter of calling the log function with a message, it's a matter of having the logging system configured at the time when that call happens | 18:19 |
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| thomasm | Nah, I get that. I'm wondering why a user wouldn't have logging configured for that module. So, import logging, configure it and then put your log messages in that module. Wouldn't that catch those sorts of things? | 18:21 |
| thomasm | All in the module that's using the ExtensionManager in one of its classes. | 18:22 |
| dhellmann | what usually happens is an app imports a bunch of modules, parses its arguments, configures logging, then starts doing real work | 18:22 |
| dhellmann | so the import is happening in that first phase, well before anything knows where log messages should go | 18:23 |
| dhellmann | this is another example of why import side-effects are bad | 18:23 |
| dhellmann | but it remains the case that stevedore considers the instructions "call all plugins with this function" an error if there are no plugins to be called, because the most likely cause of that is an uncaught configuration error of some sort | 18:24 |
| dhellmann | it's not like with a list, where the caller has put something into it explicitly | 18:25 |
| thomasm | Hmmm, that makes more sense, yeah... | 18:28 |
| thomasm | So it's just a limitation because a static member gets instantiated at import time. | 18:30 |
| thomasm | Rather than first call, or anything. And since the app user wouldn't be aware of some obscure logging in the module they're importing (since it'd be configured in that module and likely separate from where their app logs are going) they wouldn't see it. | 18:31 |
| thomasm | Is that correct? dhellmann ^^? | 18:32 |
| dhellmann | thomasm: exactly | 18:32 |
| thomasm | Interesting problem to have | 18:33 |
| thomasm | dhellmann, Thanks, I didn't see all of this. | 18:33 |
| dhellmann | thomasm: yeah, it's hard to explain this clearly without actual code :-) | 18:33 |
| thomasm | Haha, definitely. | 18:33 |
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| thomasm | I am not terribly familiar with python logging, so I think I'll actually take a long hard look at how the internals of that works. Who knows? Maybe there's a good solution with the timing issue we see here. | 18:35 |
| thomasm | anywho, since there is the possibility of an empty extension list, and the instantiation of that ExtensionManager happens in the collector itself, I think it'd be safe to iterate over the manager.extensions. | 18:37 |
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| thomasm | dhellmann, Thanks. I'll bbiab. | 18:41 |
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| sgran | if someone has a moment, I'd appreciate it if they could approve https://review.openstack.org/50351 | 18:47 |
| sgran | I'm trying to quickly find all the bugs that affect us before havana final :) | 18:47 |
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| dhellmann | sgran: does that alter script work for sqlite and the unit tests? | 18:55 |
| dhellmann | it seems like we had cases before where the alters had to be modified to work with sqlite | 18:55 |
| sgran | dhellmann: no idea :) does the gate not catch those? | 19:03 |
| sgran | I've tested against postgres and mysql | 19:03 |
| sgran | I can try to rig up something with sqlite and try that | 19:03 |
| dhellmann | sgran: no, I think that was the problem, we weren't testing migrations in the gate or something | 19:03 |
| sgran | but I didn't think anybody ran sqlite for real, if you see what I mean | 19:05 |
| dhellmann | sgran: some of the folks from mirantis were working on that, as part of the alembic migration | 19:05 |
| dhellmann | sgran: no, it's not a production issue | 19:05 |
| sgran | ok, good :) | 19:05 |
| dhellmann | and the check tests passed on your change; I just don't want it to be an issue down the road | 19:05 |
| sgran | nod, makes sense | 19:05 |
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| peterinfra | hi.. I am looking to add a new meter to ceilometer.. | 20:08 |
| peterinfra | I added a new pollster in ceilometer/ceilometer/compute/pollsters/memory_usage.py | 20:08 |
| peterinfra | I have updated ceilometer/setup.cfg to include the entrypoint to my class.. I am not able to get pipeline.py to accept my new meter when I restart ceilometer-agent-compute. | 20:09 |
| peterinfra | any ideas ?.. I really appreciate it | 20:09 |
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| peterinfra | I have also modified ceilometer/ceilometer/compute/virt/libvirt/inspector.py to include my new method which will query the instance using libvirt calls to get the memory usage | 20:16 |
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| peterinfra | I can debug print the memory usage info from libvirt but I cannot get to create a pollster with a new meter which can query libvirt | 20:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | litong01 proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: library six minimum version must be specified https://review.openstack.org/50492 | 21:29 |
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| gordc | peterinfra: delayed response... but did you add an entry point to setup.cfg? | 21:34 |
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| peterinfra | yes I did that.. my module mem_usage.py gets compiled when I do ./setup install so I guess it got the entry point | 21:40 |
| peterinfra | when I add debug statements in agent.py (ceilometer/agent.py) in method setup_polling_task | 21:42 |
| peterinfra | I dont see my meter being added as a task to iterate through all pollster_manager.extensions | 21:42 |
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| gordc | peterinfra: try 'python setup.py develop'? | 21:43 |
| peterinfra | ok .. let me try that..I will update. Thanks gordc ! | 21:44 |
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| gordc | np. hope that helps. the pipeline.yaml file by default is configured to get all meters so it seems like your pollster isn't getting registered. | 21:45 |
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| peterinfra | and how do I register ? or confirm if it is indeed registered ? thanks ! | 21:48 |
| gordc | ceilometer/agent.py and ceilometer/compute/manager.py handle a lot of the pollster setup. | 21:52 |
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| gordc | but if you copy the other pollsters and it doesn't work i would think it's just because the service is not running with your code changes. | 21:54 |
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| peterinfra | oh ok.. let me verify that first.. thanks | 21:58 |
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| fandikurnia01 | hello | 23:03 |
| fandikurnia01 | i try to install ceilometer using mirantis | 23:04 |
| fandikurnia01 | epel | 23:04 |
| fandikurnia01 | ceilometer-$svc start; done | 23:04 |
| fandikurnia01 | ceilometer-compute: unrecognized service | 23:04 |
| fandikurnia01 | ceilometer-central: unrecognized service | 23:04 |
| fandikurnia01 | /etc/init.d/ceilometer-collector: line 130: The script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart: command not found | 23:04 |
| fandikurnia01 | /etc/init.d/ceilometer-api: line 132: The script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an Upstart: command not found | 23:04 |
| fandikurnia01 | but found some problem | 23:04 |
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