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| slaweq | hi | 14:01 |
| liuyulong | hi | 14:02 |
| liuyulong | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 13 14:02:24 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is liuyulong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 14:02 |
| liuyulong | #chair slaweq | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: liuyulong slaweq | 14:02 |
| liuyulong | #chair haleyb | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: haleyb liuyulong slaweq | 14:02 |
| liuyulong | #chair liuyulong_ | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: haleyb liuyulong liuyulong_ slaweq | 14:02 |
| liuyulong | Good to see you guys online here. | 14:03 |
| slaweq | you too :) | 14:04 |
| liuyulong | We have a memorable summit in Shanghai last week. | 14:04 |
| liuyulong | And thanks to slaweq for the summary: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-November/010702.html | 14:05 |
| njohnston | It was great seeing you liuyulong_, wish I could have been there! | 14:05 |
| liuyulong | njohnston, we had online conference with you, : ) | 14:06 |
| liuyulong | #topic Announcements | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:06 | |
| liuyulong | I have no announcement, since we have no team meeting after the summit. | 14:07 |
| liuyulong | So, maybe the blueprint should be mentioned here: | 14:08 |
| liuyulong | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron | 14:08 |
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| liuyulong | They did not move to U milestone。 | 14:09 |
| liuyulong | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/ussuri | 14:10 |
| liuyulong | No bugs and blueprints here. | 14:10 |
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| liuyulong | Any updates? | 14:11 |
| liuyulong | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ | 14:12 |
| liuyulong | Ussuri 2020-05-13 estimated (schedule) | 14:13 |
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| liuyulong | OK, let's move on | 14:13 |
| liuyulong | #topic Bugs | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:13 | |
| liuyulong | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-November/010676.html | 14:13 |
| liuyulong | Ryan was our bug deputy last week, thanks. | 14:14 |
| liuyulong | First one: | 14:14 |
| liuyulong | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1851659 | 14:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1851659 in neutron "removing a network from a DHCP agent removes L3 rules even if it shouldn't" [High,New] | 14:14 |
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| liuyulong | This looks a bit confusing to me, the 'rules' is policy route rule, dvr related flow? | 14:16 |
| liuyulong | Due to the service port, for this bug it is DHCP port (instance) | 14:17 |
| liuyulong | the dvr local router will be hosted to this scheduled host, if the compute node is running with DHCP agent, the compute port and DHCP port can both make the local router installation happen. | 14:19 |
| liuyulong | So, if remove DHCP related port can cause the problem, that may point out that two compute port are hosted under same DVR router in one same host, | 14:20 |
| liuyulong | Remove one VM will cause another VM traffic down? I don't think so. | 14:21 |
| liuyulong | So let's test and investigate in details. | 14:21 |
| liuyulong | Next | 14:22 |
| liuyulong | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1851194 | 14:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1851194 in neutron "FWaaSv2 configures iptables with invalid port name" [Medium,New] | 14:22 |
| liuyulong | Yes, this is known issue, same to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1798577 | 14:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1798577 in neutron "[FWaas-DVR]wrong port name in iptables rules" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Wang Weijia (wangweij) | 14:23 |
| liuyulong | This is the fix: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/606007/ | 14:23 |
| liuyulong | Surely it's worthy to fix, so let's start the review. | 14:25 |
| liuyulong | Next one: | 14:25 |
| liuyulong | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1851609 | 14:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1851609 in neutron "Add an option for graceful l3 agent shutdown" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev) | 14:25 |
| slaweq | this one I would like You (L3 team) to triage first and than we can discuss that on drivers meeting | 14:26 |
| liuyulong | Actually I'm fine with a new config option for varied deployments. | 14:26 |
| liuyulong | Of course with default value False to not break the existing cloud. | 14:27 |
| liuyulong | But according to the bug description, it the pod goes down, then everything is gone. (Maybe not, I'm not familiar with kubernetes...) | 14:30 |
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| liuyulong | Or the real story is the the l3-agent is running in container but the child processes are all in the host. Then everything remains after pod down. | 14:31 |
| liuyulong | In this point of view, the proposal makes sense to me. | 14:33 |
| liuyulong | But for sure, we need the bug reporter to give us more details. | 14:34 |
| liuyulong | Oleg Bondarev is not here, I will add some concern to the bug. | 14:35 |
| liuyulong | slaweq, so let's continue the discussion in LP first. | 14:37 |
| slaweq | liuyulong: thx a lot | 14:38 |
| slaweq | sounds like a good plan :) | 14:38 |
| liuyulong | Looks like I'm now in a single person meeting, because I receive your message delay a lot... | 14:38 |
| slaweq | sorry | 14:38 |
| slaweq | I have also some urgent d/s stuff to do | 14:39 |
| slaweq | so I'm doing two things in same time | 14:39 |
| liuyulong | No, I mean my network connection to freenode... | 14:39 |
| slaweq | ahh, ok | 14:39 |
| slaweq | :) | 14:39 |
| liuyulong | OK, let's scan the bug list. | 14:40 |
| liuyulong | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1850864 | 14:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1850864 in neutron "DHCP agent takes very long time to report when port is provisioned" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:41 |
| liuyulong | Looks like another bad background of DHCP agent... | 14:41 |
| slaweq | yes | 14:42 |
| liuyulong | I will raise the distributed DHCP based on openflow for ovs-agent sometime... I hope I have enough time to... | 14:42 |
| slaweq | I sent patch for that already | 14:43 |
| slaweq | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/692459/ | 14:43 |
| slaweq | please review it if You have some time | 14:43 |
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| liuyulong | Sure, my colleague may want to reproduce and test it, I will add the updates. | 14:45 |
| liuyulong | Next | 14:45 |
| liuyulong | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1850818 | 14:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1850818 in neutron "[RFE][floatingip port_forwarding] Add description field" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Pedro Henrique Pereira Martins (pedrohpmartins) | 14:45 |
| liuyulong | IMO, this makes sense to me | 14:45 |
| liuyulong | And I've reviewed some of the patch sets. | 14:45 |
| liuyulong | And I may also want the author to add the name for the port forwarding. | 14:46 |
| slaweq | yes, that makes sense for me too | 14:46 |
| liuyulong | Sometimes, the name can be used for sorting, searching and classifying | 14:46 |
| slaweq | but as this is api change, we need to discuss that on drivers meeting also | 14:47 |
| liuyulong | description maybe to long for us. | 14:47 |
| liuyulong | slaweq, sure, please add to the drivers list. : ) | 14:47 |
| liuyulong | OK, last one | 14:48 |
| liuyulong | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1850779 | 14:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1850779 in neutron "[L3] snat-ns will be initialized twice for DVR+HA routers during agent restart" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 14:48 |
| liuyulong | We met this issue recently during a l3-agent upgrading | 14:48 |
| liuyulong | There are too many routers in one agent, the restart time is really long. | 14:48 |
| liuyulong | So we investigate the time spreading, this is one point. | 14:49 |
| liuyulong | Many external commands will be executed in the namespace create function. | 14:50 |
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| liuyulong | If you run the agent with rootwrap, it spawns child processes, this is a bit expensive if there are tons of resources to process. | 14:52 |
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| liuyulong | The fix is here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/692352/ | 14:53 |
| liuyulong | OK, we are running out of time. | 14:53 |
| liuyulong | Next topic | 14:53 |
| liuyulong | #topic On demand agenda | 14:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "On demand agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:54 | |
| liuyulong | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron-specs+owner:+liuyulong+status:open | 14:54 |
| liuyulong | I have updated some of spec for the topic raised during the PTG Shanghai. | 14:54 |
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| liuyulong | So comments are always welcomed. | 14:55 |
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| liuyulong_ | Alright, let's end here. | 14:57 |
| liuyulong_ | Thanks for attending... | 14:57 |
| liuyulong | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 14:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 13 14:57:30 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2019/neutron_l3.2019-11-13-14.02.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2019/neutron_l3.2019-11-13-14.02.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2019/neutron_l3.2019-11-13-14.02.log.html | 14:57 |
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| slaweq | thx liuyulong for driving this meeting :) | 14:58 |
| slaweq | o/ | 14:58 |
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| rosmaita | jungleboyj whoami-rajat rajinir lseki carloss pots woojay erlon geguileo eharney rosmaita enriquetaso e0ne smcginnis davidsha walshh_ xyang hemna _hemna tosky sfernand | 15:59 |
| rosmaita | cinder meeting reminder ^^ | 15:59 |
| e0ne | hi | 15:59 |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 15:59 |
| m5z | hello | 15:59 |
| tosky | hi | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| lseki | hi | 16:00 |
| carloss | hi | 16:00 |
| rosmaita | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 13 16:00:13 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| rosmaita | looking like a good turnout | 16:00 |
| rosmaita | very light agenda today | 16:00 |
| rosmaita | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ussuri-meetings | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:01 |
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| rosmaita | ok, first point of business: if you like the courtesy meeting ping, please add your name to the list at the top of the etherpad | 16:02 |
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| rosmaita | i will wait a minute so you can do it now | 16:02 |
| davee_ | hi | 16:02 |
| rosmaita | ok, next business is some polls | 16:03 |
| rosmaita | quick question -- i used google forms -- will people in China be able to access them? | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | i didn't think of the accessibility issue until i sent out the info to the ML | 16:04 |
| geguileo | rosmaita: most likely no | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | great | 16:05 |
| lseki | https://www.comparitech.com/privacy-security-tools/blockedinchina/ | 16:05 |
| lseki | probably not | 16:05 |
| rosmaita | thanks lseki | 16:05 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will have to put together doodle or some other service that works | 16:05 |
| rosmaita | i'll combine the results from the google forms, so don't wait to fill out the polls | 16:06 |
| rosmaita | which are: | 16:06 |
| rosmaita | meeting time change: https://forms.gle/kA2JGzoxegy2KRDB6 | 16:06 |
| rosmaita | if we do change, it will happen the first meeting in December | 16:07 |
| rosmaita | so next week, will be same time as today | 16:07 |
| lseki | manila folks are using this service for the virtual ptg poll: https://xoyondo.com | 16:07 |
| rosmaita | lseki: thanks, i will take a look at that | 16:07 |
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| rosmaita | our virtual ptg poll is https://forms.gle/rKDJpSZvAxbnBESp7 | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Keep in mind that that Thursday is a US holiday. | 16:08 |
| rosmaita | that one closes next Tuesday so we'll know the results by Wednesday's meeting | 16:08 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis: i did not keep that in mind! | 16:08 |
| rosmaita | all USA people can vote "cannot attend" though | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | Yep. Maybe it works well for many. | 16:09 |
| rosmaita | for the virtual ptg, I'd like to do wednesday and one other day, most likely tuesday | 16:09 |
| rosmaita | but you have choices on the poll | 16:09 |
| rosmaita | ok, so to be clear: if those polls are accessible to you, go ahead and use them before you forget to vote | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | i will send out a follow-up with another link and combine the results | 16:10 |
| rosmaita | as far as what to do at the virtual ptg -- some follow up on PTG topics and new topics by people who weren't able to attend | 16:11 |
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| rosmaita | we'll probably use the same etherpad | 16:12 |
| rosmaita | #action rosmaita download a copy of current PTG etherpad | 16:12 |
| rosmaita | ok, final announcement | 16:12 |
| rosmaita | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-November/010519.html | 16:13 |
| rosmaita | I revised the cinder-core list | 16:13 |
| rosmaita | but no surprises, just removed some inactive people | 16:13 |
| rosmaita | that leaves us with 8 active cores, same as for Train | 16:13 |
| rosmaita | i think that's all from me | 16:14 |
| rosmaita | there's nothing else on the agenda, so ... | 16:15 |
| rosmaita | #topic open discussion | 16:15 |
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| rosmaita | anyone? | 16:15 |
| eharney | i'll point out that https://review.opendev.org/#/c/691901/ has me wondering what the deal is with the gate | 16:16 |
| eharney | i've been too lazy to really figure it out yet, but, slightly concerning | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | is that the 2 char change patch? | 16:16 |
| eharney | yeah | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | the gate has definitely seemed more unstable that usual | 16:16 |
| rosmaita | *than | 16:17 |
| rosmaita | i think a lot of problems during the setup phase of tempest/grenade | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | I know there were some requirements conflicts that have been resolved. | 16:17 |
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| eharney | i'll dig into it further once i have a chance | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | So far today things have seemed a little more stable, so maybe one more recheck will do the trick. | 16:18 |
| rosmaita | i'll try to keep an eye on things today | 16:18 |
| tosky | it's a test failing; grenade itself (the upgrade) terminates successfully | 16:19 |
| rosmaita | tosky: ok | 16:19 |
| eharney | i saw a handful of cases where nova failed to schedule an instance, unclear why | 16:19 |
| tosky | unfortunately it's the less descriptive openstack error ever, "'No valid host was found. There are not enough hosts available.'" | 16:19 |
| tosky | which can mean anything (resource issues?) | 16:20 |
| tosky | least* descriptive | 16:20 |
| rosmaita | that does sound like a resource issue | 16:20 |
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| rosmaita | anything else? | 16:22 |
| davee_ | nothing here | 16:23 |
| rosmaita | i'm planning to get a preliminary summary of what happened at the PTG together today or tomorrow, so we can use that as the basis for what to discuss at the virtual PTG | 16:23 |
| rosmaita | i will send out an announcement to the ML, so watch for that | 16:24 |
| rosmaita | please fill out the polls (if you can access them) for meeting time and Virtual PTG dates | 16:24 |
| whoami-rajat | Thanks Brian for the clean polls | 16:25 |
| rosmaita | i'll get china-accessible polls out right after the meeting | 16:25 |
| rosmaita | whoami-rajat: ty, i tried to make them clear | 16:25 |
| rosmaita | ok, i guess that's it for today -- i'm off to xoyondo.com, i guess | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Thanks rosmaita! | 16:26 |
| whoami-rajat | Thanks! | 16:27 |
| rosmaita | i guess i don't need to remind people to do reviews :) | 16:27 |
| rosmaita | with your 1/2 hour free time! | 16:27 |
| rosmaita | thanks everyone, see you next week | 16:27 |
| rosmaita | #endmeeting | 16:27 |
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| timburke | #startmeeting swift | 21:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 13 21:04:16 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is timburke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:04 |
| timburke | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:04 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:04 |
| clayg | o/ | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:04 |
| alecuyer | o/ | 21:04 |
| rledisez | o/ | 21:04 |
| timburke | sorry to run a bit late; was upgrading the OS on my laptop | 21:05 |
| clayg | alecuyer: rledisez: I feel like I *just* saw you guys!? | 21:05 |
| alecuyer | chinese flashback! | 21:05 |
| tdasilva | o/ | 21:05 |
| timburke | on that note... | 21:05 |
| timburke | #topic PTG recap | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG recap (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:05 | |
| rledisez | clayg: did you travel in time when flighing home? it may be the explanation ;) | 21:06 |
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| timburke | as expected, it was wonderful seeing everyone who made it :-) | 21:06 |
| clayg | rledisez: so funny story, I started my travel day by going to the wrong airport - but... i made it home | 21:06 |
| timburke | everyone else, hopefully i'll get to see you in vancouver | 21:06 |
| clayg | VANCOUVER!!! | 21:07 |
| timburke | clayg, oh jeeze! glad you still made it home! | 21:07 |
| clayg | i hear vancouver has a bunch of chinese millionares | 21:07 |
| timburke | we had some really good discussions, hopefully we more or less kept the etherpad updated | 21:08 |
| timburke | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-shanghai | 21:08 |
| * rledisez wish he was a canadian millionares in china | 21:08 | |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:08 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:08 |
| timburke | we met a new Korean operator -- if you see seongsoocho in -swift, you ought to say hi :D | 21:09 |
| timburke | had a good ops feedback session | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | nice :) | 21:09 |
| timburke | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PVG-swift-ops-feedback | 21:09 |
| clayg | it's 6am in seoul | 21:09 |
| clayg | i'm sure kota_ and mattoliverau wouldn't complain if we wanted to make the meeting a little later 🤷♂️ | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | 8am here now, so isn't too bad. But its 6 in Tokyo isn't it kota_? | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | daylight savings for the win here | 21:10 |
| tdasilva | when is ptg in vancouver? | 21:11 |
| timburke | i want to say june? let me find the email... | 21:11 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: yup | 21:11 |
| kota_ | same with Tokyo timezone | 21:11 |
| rledisez | yep, 8 to 11 june I think | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | Seeing as I'm not in the cloud team anymore at Suse I probably wont have any travel funding to go. I guess I could attempt to get a talk in, maybe if it gets accepted they'll send me. I'd have to talk to my new manager. | 21:12 |
| rledisez | I'm sure it ends the june, 11th | 21:12 |
| timburke | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/foundation/2019-September/002794.html says Jun 8-11 | 21:12 |
| timburke | mattoliverau, there's also the travel support program: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Travel_Support_Program | 21:13 |
| timburke | i should make sure seongsoocho knows about it, too | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | that's true, I have used it before :) | 21:13 |
| timburke | big takeaways i got out of the week (and feel free to chime in with corrections or additional info): | 21:13 |
| clayg | tdasilva: aren't you going to New Zealand at some point? Can you pick up matt on your way back to the states? | 21:14 |
| tdasilva | heh, sounds like a good idea | 21:14 |
| timburke | on LOSF: the main cluster that rledisez and alecuyer needed this for is getting phased out, so its future is up in the air a bit | 21:14 |
| tdasilva | or maybe you all come down to join us | 21:14 |
| rledisez | timburke: a bit of precision, it will happens in about 12 to 18 months, so we still get a bit of time on it ;) | 21:15 |
| mattoliverau | ^ that :) | 21:15 |
| timburke | we know there are a bunch more tests that we'd like to see, but we're also not sure we want to take on the maintenance burden when we might be able to get a lot of benefit out of things like xfs's realtime device support | 21:15 |
| clayg | rledisez: well, but even given the runway on the phase out - aren't you also being tasked with planning for the NEW cluster (i.e. benchmarking alternatives to existing LOF index & slab storage) | 21:16 |
| rledisez | right now, we are still investigating all possibilities: | 21:17 |
| timburke | we know drives are only going to get bigger over time, though -- and we suspect that lots-of-small-files as a problem is going to start to look like lots-of-files | 21:17 |
| rledisez | xfs realtime => I asked the status on XFS ML, to see if it maintained/tested/… | 21:17 |
| rledisez | zfs => looks a nice possibility | 21:17 |
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| rledisez | LOSF/LOF => still in course | 21:17 |
| rledisez | open-cas => does not seem stable, but is maintained so we may talk to them | 21:17 |
| timburke | rledisez, alecuyer was saying that zfs doesn't have good recovery tooling, though, yeah? | 21:18 |
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| rledisez | I think it was about what happen in case of an I/O error. the only option might be to reboot the server | 21:18 |
| rledisez | so we need to check that, right | 21:18 |
| alecuyer | I started to work on eBPF scripts to monitor block device IO and link it to inode/xattr access, vs file data. Good going on SAIO, but not working on our prod (need diff kernel options). Once I have something good i'll share so everyone can check if they'd benefit from xattr stored or cached on a fast device (allowing for the use of larger HDDs for data) | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | anyone ever look how hard it would be to use something like bluestore? | 21:19 |
| rledisez | tdasilva: does it allow to place the rocksdb on a different device ? (SSD/NVme) | 21:19 |
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| tdasilva | dunno | 21:20 |
| tdasilva | rledisez: why? | 21:20 |
| mattoliverau | alecuyer: yeah | 21:20 |
| rledisez | the goal is place filesystem metadata (inode/xattr) on a faster device (or the LOSF index) | 21:20 |
| mattoliverau | you can decide if you want the rocks db and wal on a seperate device. | 21:21 |
| rledisez | mattoliverau: so yes, that's something that could be investigated yes, but it's pretty much the same solution than LOSF, so I wouls stick to LOSF for now as it is designed for swift especially | 21:21 |
| timburke | on versioning: people seemed enthusiastic. null namespace didn't seem to scare anyone off, and swift growing another versioning scheme seems like a good idea given how poorly the current one maps to s3 versioning. iirc, everyone wants s3 versioning | 21:22 |
| timburke | so, clayg, tdasilva, and i will be working on that a lot, hopefully getting it ready to merge to master within the next few weeks | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | nice | 21:23 |
| timburke | on "atomic large objects": we recognize the utility, but still aren't sure about how to implement it. had a couple discussions but no clear resolution -- will probably come up again the next time we meet in person | 21:24 |
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| clayg | yes bluestore was very much aimed at putting the index/metadata db on a seperate device from the blob slab | 21:26 |
| clayg | you can also put it on the same device, but it's not quite as awesome as filestore | 21:26 |
| timburke | on the object updater, i had an idea about grouping async pendings by container and sending UPDATE requests to do them all at once | 21:26 |
| timburke | will almost certainly need some benchmarking before we know whether its actually a *good* idea | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | oh cool | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | with the new UPDATE that makes sense. | 21:27 |
| clayg | eitherway it's VERY ceph sepcific - I couldn't find any documentation for a ABI or something that allows general access to volume | 21:27 |
| timburke | on recon dumps: it'd be nice to get more/better keys, but where we *really* want to go involves tracking what the oldest unprocessed work item is | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: yeah I've struggled to find decent info on it too | 21:27 |
| timburke | like, replicator should be able to track when partition have successfully synced with all primaries, expose the one that needs to sync most, and prioritize that work | 21:29 |
| timburke | in the mean time, getting missing keys into recon could be a good short-term win | 21:29 |
| clayg | #ft | 21:30 |
| clayg | #ftw | 21:30 |
| timburke | on tiering... we didn't actually talk much about it. sorry mattoliverau. fwiw, i know that we have customers wanting that sort of behavior, though, and i think that the null namespace could be very useful for the implementation | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, I thought so too. if null namespace is the future, we shouhld hold off so we use it. | 21:31 |
| timburke | in particular, it'd be useful in combination with versioning -- so you could tier off the non-active versions to somewhere cheaper | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | speaking of recon, I wrote this ages ago.. need to see if it still is correct and everything, it's a little old:https://review.opendev.org/#/c/541141/ | 21:32 |
| timburke | i think it'd be great to keep in mind as we think about implementing some of s3's bucket policies (in particular, deleting non-active versions older than X) | 21:33 |
| zaitcev | Dude. I once tried to write a Ceph client in Python. The current one at the time spawned a thread for each RADOS request, which called into C++. But it was impossible with the lack of docs, and the code was fairly impregnable. You may be able to reverse-engineer Bluestore API, but it's not going to be easy, I can guarantee that much. | 21:33 |
| timburke | mattoliverau, oh, nice! yeah, that does seem useful | 21:33 |
| clayg | zaitcev: i bet alecuyer could do it :nerd_snipe: | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | :) | 21:35 |
| timburke | on performance: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/693116/ looks good, clayg brought some nice history to the discussion that made us all feel a lot better about getting rid of the queues | 21:35 |
| alecuyer | clayg: all that talk certainly got me curious ;) | 21:35 |
| timburke | working its way through the gate now | 21:35 |
| clayg | EAT IT GATE | 21:35 |
| clayg | timburke: rledisez: i was unclear on if dropping the q significantly helped throughput - or it just mostly reduced cpu? | 21:36 |
| rledisez | clayg: both actually | 21:36 |
| rledisez | I'll submit soon a patch to get rid of the with Chunk*Timeout | 21:36 |
| timburke | clayg, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-profiling says just no-queue brought like 45% better throughput | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | heres my dodgy benchmark results from a SAIO: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-remove-prxy-queues-benchmarks | 21:36 |
| rledisez | after that, I found some other place that could provide some perf improvment (especially a place in the proxy that does a cache that is reseted at every request :)) | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | which was just a look with ssbench and getput | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | rledisez: oh that sounds like a useful cache :P | 21:37 |
| rledisez | and after that, I want to get rid if MD5 as a checksum algorithm (not as placement algorithm) | 21:38 |
| clayg | ok then! | 21:39 |
| timburke | rledisez, i wonder if it'd actually be easier to get rid of it as a placement algo... or at least, make the choice of algo a property of the ring | 21:39 |
| rledisez | timburke: yeah, but I'm not sure yet the gain is worth it | 21:39 |
| timburke | fair | 21:40 |
| rledisez | while as checksum, he, the double md5 calculation in EC is really killing perf | 21:40 |
| rledisez | but it's gonna be hard to drop MD5 because I think it's part of API (etag header) | 21:40 |
| timburke | yup, that was my thought, too :-( | 21:40 |
| timburke | still, if EC only had to do one MD5 and one (HW-optimized, yeah?) SHA-256 or SHA-512... might be a solid win | 21:41 |
| timburke | similar with encryption | 21:41 |
| rledisez | yeah, that was my though too | 21:41 |
| timburke | on swiftclient test directory layout: yeah, just make it consistent with swift. merged. | 21:42 |
| rledisez | i'm thinking of adler32 maybe, which is designed especially for that (and 4 times faster than md5 on my bench server) | 21:42 |
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| timburke | i *think* that about covers the PTG... am i forgetting anything? | 21:44 |
| clayg | i hope not! I gotta go async | 21:44 |
| timburke | there were some interesting talks from cmurphy about keystone scoping and access rules -- seems like they might fit well with swift | 21:45 |
| timburke | and i know people are interested in having keystone application credential support in swiftclient | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | oh really, I might have to go look those up. cmurphy is awesome | 21:46 |
| timburke | all right, i think that's all i've got | 21:47 |
| * cmurphy blushes | 21:47 | |
| timburke | #topic open discussion | 21:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:47 | |
| alecuyer | I'll just leave the link here, anyone has ideas about using larger drives, please add to it: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-shanghai-large-drives | 21:48 |
| timburke | all right. thank you all for coming, and thank you for working on swift! | 21:50 |
| timburke | #endmeeting | 21:50 |
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