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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:01 |
|---|---|---|
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 18 15:01:25 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:01 |
| fungi | aloha | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:02 |
| fungi | oh, heh, yeah the corrupt newsletter pad... thanks for the reminder | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | heh | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | #topic Shanghai PTG Attendence followup | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Shanghai PTG Attendence followup (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:03 | |
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| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-shanghai-ptg-planning | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | looks like it may be just you fungi | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | if that is the case, then I will decline a designated room for the security SIG | 15:05 |
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| fungi | makes sense | 15:05 |
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| gagehugo | but I can also direct anyone interested to reach out to you, if that's ok? | 15:06 |
| fungi | i will still try to spread the word that security is a good thing | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | \o/ | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | #action gagehugo to respond to the survey and possible followup email from last week | 15:07 |
| gagehugo | #topic Syntribos status followup | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Syntribos status followup (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:07 | |
| gagehugo | I did not hear back about anyone using it | 15:07 |
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| gagehugo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-July/007708.html | 15:08 |
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| gagehugo | I am willing to bet if we do attempt to retire it, someone might chime in though | 15:09 |
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| gagehugo | could send out an email about retiring it | 15:14 |
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| fungi | retirement isn't permanent. projects *can* come out of retirement again if desired | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:21 |
| gagehugo | #action gagehugo to send out a followup email about retirement | 15:22 |
| gagehugo | #topic fix the newsletter etherpad | 15:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "fix the newsletter etherpad (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:23 | |
| gagehugo | fungi: :) | 15:23 |
| fungi | yeah | 15:25 |
| fungi | i should be able to do that as soon as i finish pushing this mower around the yard | 15:25 |
| fungi | what's the url for it? | 15:25 |
| fungi | adding to my to do list for the day | 15:26 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:26 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-sig-newsletter | 15:26 |
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| fungi | thanks! | 15:27 |
| gagehugo | thank you! | 15:28 |
| gagehugo | #topic open discussion | 15:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:28 | |
| gagehugo | fungi: anything else from this week? | 15:28 |
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| fungi | nope, probably next week i'll bring up some policy changes the vmt is considering, and also post about them to the openstack-discuss ml to get broader community feedback | 15:29 |
| gagehugo | ok cool | 15:29 |
| fungi | need to wait for one of our inner circle to return from holiday first | 15:29 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 15:29 |
| fungi | so that i can make sure i don't misrepresent the opinions of the group as a whole | 15:29 |
| gagehugo | :) | 15:30 |
| gagehugo | thanks fungi, have a good rest of the week | 15:30 |
| fungi | so just a teaser for now, i guess | 15:30 |
| fungi | thanks, you too gagehugo! | 15:30 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 18 15:30:19 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-07-18-15.01.html | 15:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-07-18-15.01.txt | 15:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-07-18-15.01.log.html | 15:30 |
| * fungi resumes operating his weapons of grass destruction before the storms roll through | 15:30 | |
| gagehugo | good luck! | 15:31 |
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| efried | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 18 21:00:44 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:01 |
| dustinc_OSCON | o/ | 21:01 |
| efried | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:01 |
| dustinc_OSCON | Only half here, on my phone at a conference. | 21:02 |
| artom | Here, but will cowardly flee halfway through to pick up kids | 21:02 |
| efried | foreshadowing of PTG | 21:03 |
| efried | okay, might as well rip through this | 21:03 |
| efried | #topic Last meeting | 21:03 |
| efried | #link Minutes from last meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-07-11-14.01.html | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Last meeting (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| efried | any old bidniss? | 21:03 |
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| efried | #topic Release News | 21:04 |
| efried | Spec freeze in one week (July 25th) | 21:04 |
| efried | #link spec review etherpad (I'm still tracking this) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-spec-review-day | 21:04 |
| efried | Look for things that aren't Action: author -- these are our responsibility until spec freeze | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:04 | |
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| efried | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 21:04 |
| efried | No Critical bugs | 21:04 |
| efried | #link 69 new untriaged bugs (+2 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 21:04 |
| efried | #link 4 untagged untriaged bugs (-1 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:04 | |
| efried | #topic Gate status | 21:04 |
| efried | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:04 |
| efried | #link 3rd party CI status TBD | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:05 | |
| efried | You may see infra node counts crest 700 now (+100 ish) thanks to donnyd and fortnebula | 21:05 |
| artom | Gate status reminds me, need to hunt for a second +2 for https://review.opendev.org/#/c/670848/ | 21:05 |
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| donnyd | efried: still working on getting to 100 | 21:05 |
| donnyd | at 60 ATM | 21:06 |
| efried | artom: can we get that passing zuul? | 21:06 |
| artom | efried, yeah, doh :( But I'm at the mercy of rechecks | 21:06 |
| efried | btw, donnyd I've noticed a fair number of timeouts on jobs being run on fortnebula. That ^ is one of them. Here's another: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/671341/ | 21:07 |
| efried | no idea if that's coincidence or anything you can tweak or what. | 21:07 |
| efried | but thought you would want to know | 21:08 |
| efried | #topic Reminders | 21:08 |
| efried | any? | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:08 | |
| efried | #topic Stable branch status | 21:08 |
| efried | #link stable/stein: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/stein | 21:08 |
| efried | #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/rocky | 21:08 |
| efried | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/queens | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:08 | |
| * melwitt irc client weirdly finally showed the messages in this channel | 21:08 | |
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| efried | o/ melwitt, anything to add on topics so far? | 21:08 |
| melwitt | nay | 21:09 |
| efried | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 21:09 |
| efried | Placement (cdent) | 21:09 |
| efried | #link latest pupdate http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-July/007716.html | 21:09 |
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| efried | not a lot of change since last week. Looking for update to the | 21:10 |
| efried | #link NUMA topology in placement spec https://review.opendev.org/#/c/552924/ | 21:10 |
| efried | ...to make use of recent placement features. | 21:10 |
| efried | API (gmann) | 21:10 |
| efried | Updates on ML- #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-July/007877.html | 21:10 |
| melwitt | so that spec will be the one for consuming placement things in order to implement vGPU with affinity? | 21:10 |
| melwitt | ok, I think so | 21:11 |
| efried | melwitt: more broadly, nova modeling more things, including *CPU and MEMORY_MB, in placement, so we can do affinity at GET /a_c time rather than late in the NUMATopologyFilter. | 21:11 |
| efried | s/more things/more NUMA things/ | 21:11 |
| donnyd | efried: yea its from the storage being to slow, still waiting on gear to fix it | 21:12 |
| efried | ack, thanks donnyd | 21:12 |
| melwitt | efried: ok, so is a new/different spec expected for the vGPU stuff specifically? | 21:12 |
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| efried | melwitt: you refer to | 21:13 |
| efried | #link NUMA affinity with VGPU https://review.opendev.org/#/c/650963/ | 21:13 |
| melwitt | yes | 21:13 |
| efried | I've been recalcitrant on that one because I don't see it moving us forward. | 21:13 |
| efried | bauzas has convinced me that there are pieces of it that would make sense to do anyway | 21:13 |
| efried | so if he wanted to pare it down to just those pieces, I would get out of the way. | 21:13 |
| melwitt | I understand. I'm trying to determine what is the way forward with consuming the placement stuff for the vGPU affinity | 21:14 |
| melwitt | like do we draw up a spec for that? or is the spec you mentioned earlier what would cover it? or other? | 21:14 |
| efried | I could see the first spec covering VCPU, PCPU, MEMORY_MB, and VGPU | 21:15 |
| efried | we have all the placement tools to make that work. | 21:15 |
| artom | Maybe one thing at a time? | 21:15 |
| efried | that --^ is "one thing" IMO | 21:16 |
| efried | we can't really reshape proc/mem resources into child providers without also dealing with the existing PGPU child provider | 21:16 |
| artom | I get that they're all related, and that you can't do affinity until you have them all | 21:16 |
| efried | well, it makes no sense to do VCPU without MEMORY_MB or vice versa, and the incremental cost of both vs either is negligible really. | 21:17 |
| artom | Yeah, so cpus and mem together | 21:17 |
| efried | incremental cost of putting VGPU in the mix is also less than if we tried to do it separately IMO. | 21:17 |
| artom | But GPUs can stay on the compute node, no? | 21:17 |
| efried | VGPUs are not on the compute RP. | 21:17 |
| efried | they're already in a child PGPU provider. | 21:17 |
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| artom | Sorry, right, but that child is a child of the compute node, not a NUMA node | 21:18 |
| efried | correct, because we don't have numa nodes yet | 21:18 |
| artom | So that can stay as is until we move VCPUs and MEM? | 21:18 |
| efried | so we could leave it alone, and it would be sitting there as a peer of numa nodes, and we couldn't support affinity with it, and we would have to do another reshape later to put it under the right NUMA node. | 21:18 |
| artom | We don't support affinity for it now... | 21:18 |
| artom | Are reshapes expensive? | 21:19 |
| efried | but IMO that's more painful than just moving the PGPU provider at the same time as we create & reshape to the NUMA providers. | 21:19 |
| efried | in the sense that you can only do them on release boundaries (as the current rules are written) | 21:19 |
| artom | My gut is that many less complex reshapes are better than 1 big one | 21:19 |
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| efried | the two efforts are going to be intertwined no matter what. Whichever effort you implement second is going to have to accommodate changes made by the first. | 21:21 |
| efried | If the PGPU provider sits parallel with the NUMA providers, then the PGPU affinity spec still needs to deal with the fact that the procs/mem it's looking at are no longer on the root RP. | 21:22 |
| efried | And if you implement the VGPU affinity thing first, you'll have to change that code likewise ^ when you do the reshape & affinity work for the proc/mem splitup | 21:22 |
| efried | but sure, we could do that. | 21:22 |
| efried | to what advantage? | 21:22 |
| efried | anyway, this is probably moot until we have actual proposals to look at. | 21:23 |
| artom | Ah, you're assuming that GPUs would get reshapred first | 21:23 |
| efried | no, I cited either direction above. | 21:23 |
| artom | (which makes sense, given that melwitt is pushing for it) | 21:23 |
| artom | Yeah, it's moot. I'll only be happy to be proven wrong | 21:24 |
| artom | I'm still scarred by that GPU reshape I reviewed a while ago | 21:24 |
| efried | Realistically, considering this would not be a trivial spec, and considering it effectively hasn't been started yet, I don't see proc/mem split landing in Train. | 21:24 |
| melwitt | I don't think I'm pushing for anything in particular, just that we (RH) would like to deliver NUMA affinity with vGPU and I wanted to find out what are the next steps as far as which spec we need | 21:25 |
| efried | At this point I don't even remember which bit of the vgpu affinity spec bauzas convinced me was still useful. | 21:26 |
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| melwitt | yeah, I don't know about that. but I was wondering should we be updating that spec to be about consuming placement features for vGPU affinity or is there an already existing spec we need to update or do we need a new spec | 21:27 |
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| efried | Okay, I will try to answer this specific question. | 21:29 |
| efried | Without splitting proc/mem into numa RPs, there's nothing that can be done placement-wise for vgpu affinity, so https://review.opendev.org/#/c/650963/ is the only way vgpu affinity is happening. | 21:29 |
| melwitt | it sounds like it would be either the "all the things" spec or a new spec that is only about the vGPU part, with the latter being of questionable easier-ness | 21:29 |
| melwitt | I see, ok | 21:29 |
| melwitt | thanks | 21:30 |
| efried | The general numa-modeling-in-placement spec (https://review.opendev.org/#/c/552924/) could be taken in two different directions: a) proc/mem; or b) proc/mem/vgpu. If a), then we would eventually need a third spec to describe VGPU affinity via placement-isms | 21:31 |
| efried | but if b) then we could do away with https://review.opendev.org/#/c/650963/ entirely | 21:32 |
| efried | or | 21:32 |
| efried | implement https://review.opendev.org/#/c/650963/ and then have to retrofit it when we do b) | 21:32 |
| efried | dead horse at this point? | 21:33 |
| efried | #topic Stuck Reviews | 21:33 |
| efried | any? | 21:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:33 | |
| efried | (other than perhaps the vgpu affinity one :P ) | 21:33 |
| efried | #topic Review status page | 21:33 |
| efried | #link http://status.openstack.org/reviews/#nova | 21:33 |
| efried | Count: 461 (-0); Top score: 1433 (+21) | 21:33 |
| efried | #help Pick a patch near the top, shepherd it to closure | 21:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review status page (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:33 | |
| efried | #topic Open discussion | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:34 | |
| efried | any? | 21:34 |
| efried | Anything else to discuss? | 21:34 |
| efried | Thanks all | 21:35 |
| efried | o/ | 21:35 |
| efried | #endmeeting | 21:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 21:35 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 18 21:35:24 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-07-18-21.00.html | 21:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-07-18-21.00.txt | 21:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-07-18-21.00.log.html | 21:35 |
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