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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 5 14:00:50 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| njohnston_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 14:01 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | how are y'all? | 14:01 |
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| amotoki | o/ | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | haleyb is still on vacation, I beleive | 14:01 |
| haleyb | o/ | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | ahhh, welcome back haleyb | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | did you have fun? | 14:02 |
| haleyb | i'm back, but in the deep end of the pool | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | I bet you missed us all a lot | 14:02 |
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| haleyb | s/fun/relaxed | 14:02 |
| haleyb | getting up late and going to the beach is a lot of work :) | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | it is indeed | 14:02 |
| haleyb | good to be back though | 14:03 |
| slaweq | :) | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | let's wait 1 minute | 14:03 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's get going | 14:04 |
| slaweq | yamamoto just sent an email that he will not be here today | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | #topic RFEs | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 14:04 | |
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| mlavalle | and we are going to start with https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1821058 | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1821058 in neutron "[RFE] Port binding event extended information for Nova" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:04 |
| ralonsoh | I'll ping Sean | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | ok, there are several topics | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | the first one | 14:05 |
| ralonsoh | the events into Nova | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | There are 3 patches already out there, the most important of which is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/645173/ | 14:06 |
| ralonsoh | yes, the spec (this is the only one important right now) | 14:06 |
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| ralonsoh | the main concern, from the Nova side, is why we need those events | 14:07 |
| ralonsoh | IMO, we can discuss this in the PTG | 14:07 |
| ralonsoh | the second point: driver information | 14:07 |
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| ralonsoh | in order to know which specific driver are you going to bind the port | 14:08 |
| ralonsoh | this will also be needed for #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/641670/ | 14:08 |
| ralonsoh | and third, "connectivity" | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | well, I think we should strive to come to an agreement as far as the RFE in this meeting | 14:09 |
| ralonsoh | to inform about what type of backend we have: legacy (default one), only L2 or L3 (calico) | 14:09 |
| amotoki | it looks like that we need to clarify what are needed by this effort. | 14:09 |
| mlavalle | and then, with that agreement, you can devlop the spec further, which can be discussed in the PTG | 14:09 |
| amotoki | regarding "what type of backend", the question will be how nova can use this information, for example. | 14:10 |
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| ralonsoh | amotoki, Nova will use this information, for example, in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/641670/ | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | amotoki, knowing the driver backend is important to decide if you can or not spawn a VM without IP in the port | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | amotoki, also this is needed for live-migration | 14:11 |
| ralonsoh | but Sean knows this information better | 14:12 |
| ralonsoh | (I'm still trying to ping him) | 14:12 |
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| amotoki | ralonsoh: thanks, but I am not sure we should pass a driver information itself or what backend driver(s) support. | 14:12 |
| amotoki | (though I need to look through the nova spec) | 14:13 |
| ralonsoh | amotoki, at least the name | 14:13 |
| njohnston | Is Nova going to be making decisions based on the driver, or just based on characteristics of the driver like backend type? | 14:13 |
| njohnston | as expressed in these events | 14:13 |
| ralonsoh | amotoki, now we have "ovs" only | 14:13 |
| ralonsoh | amotoki, but under this vif_type we have OVS, ODL, OVN, etc | 14:13 |
| ralonsoh | amotoki, and the way the ports are bound and the events are different | 14:14 |
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| ralonsoh | njohnston, Nova should use this information, in live migration, IP-less VMs, etc. | 14:14 |
| ralonsoh | hi sean-k-mooney | 14:14 |
| amotoki | "driver" information makes sense to me if it is a driver-to-driver communicaiton | 14:15 |
| amotoki | it leads to a question how we can generalize information between neutron and nova | 14:15 |
| ralonsoh | but, as I said, with vif_type="ovs" we don't really know what bakend we are using | 14:15 |
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| ralonsoh | sean-k-mooney, what are the problems between ODL, OVS or OVN during live-migration? | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | this seems to me as a way to "cope with the ugly reality of the world" | 14:16 |
| njohnston | let me put this question another way: does nova need to have code that can differentiate between all drivers? Would something need to be added to nova to say "if midonet: ..."? | 14:17 |
| ralonsoh | njohnston, ok, let me divide the spec in three (those three parameters we need) | 14:18 |
| ralonsoh | njohnston, at least, for the IP-less VMs we need to know the connectivity parameter | 14:18 |
| ralonsoh | that means, legacy, L2 or L3 | 14:18 |
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| sean-k-mooney | sorry im in another meeting too | 14:19 |
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| slaweq | ralonsoh: so for connectivity, L3 will mean port with IP address allocated and L2 will mean port without IP, am I right? | 14:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | slaweq: no | 14:19 |
| sean-k-mooney | l2 means the network backend provide 2 bradcase semantics | 14:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | and supprot l2 connecity | 14:20 |
| ralonsoh | e.g.: OVS L2, calico L3 | 14:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | l3 means only ip connectivy is supported | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | yeah, the port is in a broadcast domain | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | in the case of L2 | 14:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep | 14:20 |
| slaweq | ok | 14:20 |
| sean-k-mooney | so the reason for not allowing ip_allocaion=none with a l3 only network is that there are no network connecity availble in this case | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | right | 14:21 |
| sean-k-mooney | e.g. the port is on an l3 only network but has no ip | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | it's useless | 14:21 |
| slaweq | ok, I see. So if connectivity == L2 then ip_allocation=none will be allowed, right? | 14:22 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes | 14:22 |
| ralonsoh | exactly | 14:22 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:22 |
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| amotoki | that is understandable but it looks like the meaning should be clarified. | 14:23 |
| amotoki | I am not suree what "legacy" means.. | 14:23 |
| ralonsoh | amotoki, I'll comment this in the spec | 14:23 |
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| ralonsoh | amotoki, the default value | 14:23 |
| ralonsoh | this will be in the abs class | 14:23 |
| slaweq | amotoki: from spec "The "legacy" ``connectivity`` value will be the default and | 14:23 |
| ralonsoh | of course, I'll review all possible backend projects to add the correct value | 14:23 |
| slaweq | is a sentinel to indicate the driver does not support this extension yet and | 14:23 |
| slaweq | no connectivity info is available | 14:24 |
| ralonsoh | exactly | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | I'm curious about the answer to to njohnston's question above^^^^ | 14:24 |
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| mlavalle | can you answer that? | 14:24 |
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| ralonsoh | mlavalle, right about the drivers | 14:25 |
| ralonsoh | sean-k-mooney, correct me if I'm wrong. This information is needed fro live-migration | 14:26 |
| sean-k-mooney | sorry which info | 14:26 |
| ralonsoh | the driver list | 14:26 |
| njohnston | because the differentiation into legacy, l2, and l3 is not sufficient to solve the problem described in lines 52-57 of the spec | 14:26 |
| ralonsoh | among with the network events | 14:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | no that is need so that we can close a security bug | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | in case sean-k-mooney missed it: "does nova need to have code that can differentiate bewteen all drivers? Would something need to be added to nova to say "if midonet:....?" | 14:27 |
| sean-k-mooney | it is used so that os-vif can tell if the backend is odl or ml2/ovs in the ovs plugin | 14:27 |
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| ralonsoh | ^^ #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1734320 | 14:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1734320 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Eavesdropping private traffic" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to sean mooney (sean-k-mooney) | 14:28 |
| njohnston | but does it need to know about more than just ml2/ovs and odl, does it also need to know which set of characteristics are met by ml2/ovn and midonet and linuxbridge etc. | 14:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | nova should not need code for each dirver | 14:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | currenly it would be passing it to os-vif for the ovs os-vif puling to use | 14:28 |
| sean-k-mooney | nova currently does not no | 14:29 |
| slaweq | so You want to tell nova which os-vif driver should be used for port, right? | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | but let's extend the question to os-vif. will os vif have networking backend specific code? | 14:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | it does need the network events | 14:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | but if we use network_events as an abstration we dont need to put code that special cases on backends | 14:29 |
| sean-k-mooney | mlavalle: it already does | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | ewell yes, you are right | 14:30 |
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| mlavalle | it already does | 14:30 |
| mlavalle | so let me attempt to summarize this: | 14:30 |
| ralonsoh | sean-k-mooney, just to clarify: "bound_drivers" and "network_events" don't need to be used in Nova itself | 14:30 |
| amotoki | it sounds that we would like to abstract what capabilities are support by drivers. | 14:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | network_event would need to be used by nova | 14:31 |
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| njohnston | amotoki: +1 | 14:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | bound_drivers woudl mainly be used by os-vif | 14:31 |
| sean-k-mooney | there is one usecase where it would be useful for bandwtiht based schduling | 14:31 |
| ralonsoh | ok, sorry yes | 14:31 |
| ralonsoh | amotoki, capabilities? do you mean type of events? | 14:32 |
| amotoki | ralonsoh: kind of such. I don't see concrete events right now but I think some abstractions are needed from this discussion | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | so let me attempt to summarize the situation, can I? | 14:33 |
| ralonsoh | amotoki, for sure, something commonly defined both for neutron and nova | 14:33 |
| ralonsoh | please, mlavalle | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | 1) Currently, we have Neutron communcating to Nova, through the binding and events, the status of a port | 14:34 |
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| mlavalle | 2) The semantics of these communcations are not sufficient today for Nova / os-vif to meaningfully work wit thos e ports. We nneed more finely garined semantics | 14:35 |
| mlavalle | agree so far? | 14:35 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes | 14:36 |
| amotoki | +1 | 14:36 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:36 |
| slaweq | yes | 14:36 |
| mlavalle | 3) on the Neutron side, I think amotoki and njohnston are concerned about communicating data that is too much back end implementation dependent | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | 4) Therefore their question is, can we abstract a little bit the semantics of what will be communicated | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | agree so far amotoki, njohnston? | 14:37 |
| amotoki | yes. as of now, we pass bound driver information. | 14:38 |
| njohnston | yes | 14:38 |
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| ralonsoh | amotoki, yes but we need the bound drivers nested list | 14:38 |
| sean-k-mooney | we could drop the boud driver info an still support alot of the usecase | 14:39 |
| amotoki | I am not sure it is the right direction to expand the current approach using driver information for further processing. | 14:39 |
| amotoki | it would be easy to use the list of drivers though. | 14:39 |
| sean-k-mooney | amotoki: but to be clear the lack fo driver info has cassed several security bug in the past | 14:39 |
| amotoki | sean-k-mooney: yeah, I know. | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | Ideally, all the backends should have the same semantics for the same events, but the ugly reallity is that the backends have interpreted these semantics in different ways | 14:40 |
| amotoki | it tends to depend on implementations. | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | and that is how we find ourselves in this situation | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | each backend evolved on its own | 14:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | mlavalle: well they all have the same event but they send them at different time so the semantic difference it the problem i hope we can solve. | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | sean-k-mooney: that's exactly what I mean | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | all send the same events, but they really mean different things | 14:41 |
| sean-k-mooney | yep | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | right? | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | so in an ideal world maybe we should go to the backends and attempt to align the semantics | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | but that is not likely to happen, right? | 14:42 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: that will not gonna happen for sure :) | 14:43 |
| sean-k-mooney | the envent in question for clarity are "network-vif-plugged" "network-vif-unplugged" "network-vif-deleted" and "network-chagned" | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | so I think sean-k-mooney and ralonsoh are taking the pragmatic approach | 14:43 |
| mlavalle | let's fix it in a combination of more data in the binding + nova anmd os-vif changes | 14:44 |
| ralonsoh | (drilling a hole though Nova) | 14:44 |
| mlavalle | is that agood summary? | 14:44 |
| ralonsoh | sure | 14:44 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes more or less | 14:44 |
| ralonsoh | We'll amend the spec | 14:44 |
| njohnston | makes sense | 14:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | i would like neutron/ the ml2 dirves to declar the semantic of what the event means to them | 14:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | and then teach nova to deal with that | 14:45 |
| sean-k-mooney | but not teach nova about the 50 or so neutron backends | 14:45 |
| amotoki | sounds good. both sides need to have same interpretations. | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | I think amotoki's and njohnston concerns about abstractions are correct | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | precisely because we don't want to have to teach nova to deal with 50 neutron backends | 14:46 |
| amotoki | yeah | 14:46 |
| slaweq | I agree | 14:47 |
| njohnston | +100 | 14:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | yes for what its worth we could remove the bound_drivers from this spec and i can deal with that issue seperately | 14:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | that would leave just the abstack connectivy and events items | 14:47 |
| sean-k-mooney | if that would help | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | and I think the last three lines typed by sean-k-mooney capture perfectly a good middle ground we can all agree on | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | niot thse last 3 lines, the 3 previous ones | 14:48 |
| sean-k-mooney | :) | 14:48 |
| mlavalle | can we all agree on those 3 lines? | 14:48 |
| njohnston | yes, the declaration of the semantic meaning of the events in a driver-independent way is the thing | 14:48 |
| amotoki | agree | 14:49 |
| njohnston | like sending an "unreliable plugging" flag for linuxbridge or a "plug before dataplane config" for odl | 14:49 |
| sean-k-mooney | njohnston: if we can also agree on sorter names for those flags that would make me happy :) | 14:50 |
| njohnston | sean-k-mooney: absolutely :-) | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | slaweq, haleyb: what do you think? | 14:50 |
| slaweq | I agree with Your summary and IMO this rfe can be approved | 14:51 |
| haleyb | +1 from me too | 14:51 |
| slaweq | we can discuss details in spec review | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | so here's what I propose | 14:51 |
| mlavalle | 1) I'm going to capture sean-k-mooney's magic 3 lines in the RFE, so they can guide us as the priciples for this effort | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | 2) Approve the RFE so we can focus on developing the spec along those principles | 14:52 |
| njohnston | +1 | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | 3) sean-k-mooney don't remove things just yet. let's see if in the spec review process we can accomodate everything. if that is not possible, then we drop stuff | 14:53 |
| slaweq | +1 | 14:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | :) | 14:53 |
| sean-k-mooney | sure | 14:53 |
| ralonsoh | thank you all! | 14:53 |
| amotoki | sounds fine to me | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: ok with you? | 14:54 |
| haleyb | sure | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | ok team | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | This was a heavy one and I think the discussion was really insightful | 14:56 |
| amotoki | njohnston: btw, I left a comment on https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1821208. hopefully you can check it (though we could not cover it today). | 14:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1821208 in neutron "[RFE] Only enforce policy when selected option does not match default" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | this is good stuff | 14:57 |
| njohnston | amotoki: Will check it, thanks! | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | have a great weekend! | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | and thanks for attending! | 14:57 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:57 |
| slaweq | o/ | 14:57 |
| amotoki | o/ | 14:57 |
| sean-k-mooney | o/ | 14:57 |
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| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:57 |
| ralonsoh | thanks for your time! | 14:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-04-05-14.00.html | 14:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-04-05-14.00.txt | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2019/neutron_drivers.2019-04-05-14.00.log.html | 14:57 |
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