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efried | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
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openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 4 14:00:35 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is efried. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
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gmann | o/ | 14:00 |
mdbooth | o/ | 14:01 |
artom | o/ | 14:01 |
mriedem | . | 14:01 |
cdent | o/ | 14:01 |
bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
tssurya | o/ | 14:01 |
artom | Actually, ~o~ | 14:01 |
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alex_xu | o/ | 14:01 |
* bauzas doing a double meeting at the same time, feeling a bit schizophrenic | 14:01 | |
efried | artom: are you swimming? | 14:02 |
artom | edleafe, waving :D | 14:02 |
artom | Err, efried | 14:02 |
efried | oo, the robot, rad | 14:02 |
edleafe | Heh, I thought it was a new hairstyle | 14:02 |
efried | whoops, /me forgot to save the agenda, done, refresh if you had it open | 14:03 |
efried | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:03 |
efried | #link last week's minutes Minutes from last week: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-03-28-21.02.html | 14:03 |
efried | no fups from that afaict, anyone? | 14:03 |
edleafe | artom: https://goo.gl/images/NXekAP | 14:03 |
stephenfin | o/ | 14:03 |
artom | edleafe, *shudder* | 14:04 |
efried | #topic Release News | 14:04 |
efried | #link Stein release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Stein_Release_Schedule | 14:04 |
efried | #info Stein RC freeze is TODAY, Thursday, April 4th | 14:04 |
efried | #link Stein RC potential changes tracking: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-stein-rc-potential | 14:04 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:04 | |
efried | #link RC2 proposed https://review.openstack.org/649656 | 14:04 |
efried | #link Fix non-NIC VFs bombing n-cpu (merging) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/649630/ | 14:04 |
efried | #link VGPU docs (merged) https://review.openstack.org/649454 | 14:04 |
efried | That last one wouldn't have been enough to prompt an RC2 by itself, but since we're doing one... | 14:04 |
efried | and last but not least... | 14:04 |
efried | #link Keys to the (database) kingdom in versioned notifications https://review.openstack.org/#/c/649775/ | 14:04 |
efried | That *just* got a new PS, please review and merge asap. | 14:04 |
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mriedem | in the future, | 14:05 |
mriedem | i'd ask people be mindful about what we shove into versioned notification payloads, | 14:05 |
mriedem | just because we can send something doesn't mean we should | 14:05 |
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efried | is there a doc or (probably better) code comment we can throw somewhere obvious to that effect? | 14:05 |
mriedem | docs are here https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/reference/notifications.html | 14:06 |
mriedem | i don't know if there is a warning for contributors | 14:06 |
mriedem | code comment would be hard since the payloads are in lots of places | 14:06 |
mriedem | it's really on the core team | 14:06 |
efried | k | 14:06 |
efried | any other release topics? | 14:07 |
mriedem | i can follow up with a docs patch to add a warning | 14:07 |
gmann | guidelines of " donot/careful about exposing this " can be great. | 14:07 |
efried | thanks mriedem | 14:07 |
artom | There's a What should be in the notification payload para | 14:07 |
Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 14:07 |
artom | Could be followed with a What should NOT be in the notification payload | 14:07 |
mriedem | artom: yeah that's where i'm going to put a warning | 14:07 |
efried | ++ | 14:08 |
efried | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 14:08 |
efried | No Critical bugs | 14:08 |
efried | #link 69 new untriaged bugs (down 1 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 14:08 |
efried | #link 7 untagged untriaged bugs (down 2 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:08 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:08 | |
efried | Gate status | 14:08 |
efried | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:08 |
efried | looks like mostly timeout-y things. | 14:08 |
efried | 3rd party CI | 14:08 |
efried | #link 3rd party CI status http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:08 |
mriedem | grenade py3 jobs will be still wonky until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/649096/ lands | 14:09 |
efried | a few disturbing hits in unit test jobs - look for the ones where one out of the three pyXX jobs fails. Some kind of odd database race. | 14:09 |
mriedem | we likely need a new e-r query for that | 14:10 |
efried | don't know what it's about, but may try to get an e-r def in place, ... | 14:10 |
efried | yeah | 14:10 |
efried | cause I just learned about e-r this week. I know only enough to be dangerous | 14:10 |
* mdbooth loves weird database races if we have a couple of examples | 14:11 | |
efried | mdbooth: oh, perfect - there's several examples. | 14:11 |
mdbooth | How much of a problem is it? | 14:11 |
efried | Meh, kills one job in a dozen maybe? | 14:11 |
mdbooth | Moderate | 14:11 |
efried | mdbooth: If you look in http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova&time=7+days along the openstack-tox-pyXX rows, ignore all green or all red, look for the ones with just one X, click on it. The failures are always in the same small handful of tests, weird DB-ish things. | 14:12 |
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efried | thanks for the help | 14:13 |
efried | #action efried to look into adding e-r query for ^ | 14:14 |
efried | #topic Reminders | 14:14 |
efried | #link Spec review day proposed next Tuesday, April 9th http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-April/004484.html | 14:14 |
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efried | So far a small number of people have responded about ^ | 14:14 |
efried | Now that I have a captive audience | 14:15 |
efried | is next Tuesday good for folks to block off for reviewing/discussing/updating specs? | 14:15 |
artom | +1 | 14:15 |
cdent | yes | 14:15 |
bauzas | I'm good with it but I was about to write something | 14:15 |
bauzas | having a second review day in one week later is a bit impactful | 14:16 |
bauzas | not sure it's healthy | 14:16 |
bauzas | so, I'm all sold on this review day, not the later | 14:16 |
bauzas | if that's worth mentioning | 14:16 |
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mriedem | unhealthy how? if you can't do a 2nd sprint, that's fine. | 14:16 |
mriedem | i think the idea is flush as much as possible before the ptg | 14:17 |
efried | ^ | 14:17 |
mriedem | because we're all going to be burned out by saturday | 14:17 |
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gmann | +1 | 14:17 |
gmann | it can cut down the PTG topics also. | 14:17 |
bauzas | well, ok | 14:18 |
bauzas | that's not that I can't | 14:18 |
bauzas | just that I think I'll feel a bit exhausted after two review days in a week, but fair | 14:19 |
bauzas | but yeah, your point on the PTG is valid | 14:19 |
bauzas | so cool with me | 14:19 |
mriedem | just remember to stretch | 14:19 |
bauzas | :) | 14:19 |
artom | And drink loads of water (or others) | 14:19 |
efried | okay, cool, Ima put up an etherpad where people wanting their specs to get attention that day can list them, make it easier for reviewers to discover rather than picking from the 60-odd open specs out there. | 14:20 |
efried | #efried to fup with review day logistics | 14:20 |
efried | #action efried to fup with review day logistics | 14:21 |
efried | rather | 14:21 |
efried | any other reminders? | 14:21 |
artom | Do we have priorities for train? Should those spec get priority for spec review day? | 14:21 |
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efried | mm | 14:21 |
efried | we usually set priorities at/after the ptg | 14:21 |
efried | but that doesn't mean we can't do some pre-prioritizing | 14:22 |
mdbooth | Is it worth having a spec for privsep? It's more of a theme. | 14:22 |
efried | We can have a specless bp to continue the rootwrap-to-privsep conversion for train | 14:22 |
efried | and I would like to have a backlog spec proposed at some point describing how we get from the current privsep to the golden age of security perfection that's been discussed recently in the ML. | 14:23 |
mriedem | specs are point in time for a release, privsep is a long-term commitment, so if we need docs, as suggested in that ML thread, then let's add docs | 14:23 |
dansmith | agree | 14:23 |
efried | #link privsep docs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/649997/ | 14:23 |
mriedem | also, related to that, | 14:24 |
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efried | having a specless bp could help us keep review focus on it for train so we can get more of that series merged. | 14:24 |
mriedem | do we have any nova-specific docs about configuring nova's rootwrap compute.filters for the privsep-helper? | 14:24 |
mriedem | because that is all black magic for the most part | 14:24 |
efried | It's over a year old. | 14:24 |
mriedem | and i don't think it's documented, deployment tools just had to deal with it back when it was required | 14:24 |
dansmith | mriedem: asI understand it, we only need one rootwrap rule for privsep itself | 14:25 |
mriedem | also related, sighup'ing nova-compute kills nova-compute b/c the privsep-helper child processes are gone | 14:25 |
artom | ... that sounds quite bad... | 14:25 |
efried | we decided that ^ was latent since at least rocky, right? | 14:25 |
mriedem | dansmith: i'm just not sure if there is anything clear in our docs about configuring rootwrap for privsep | 14:25 |
mdbooth | It's also explicitly by design | 14:25 |
dansmith | it's an oslo.service regression | 14:25 |
mriedem | efried: yeah i also recreated it in rocky | 14:26 |
dansmith | mdbooth: what is explicitly by design? | 14:26 |
mdbooth | dansmith: privsep helper doesn't restart if it ends | 14:26 |
dansmith | mdbooth: it's not supposed to end on HUP | 14:26 |
mdbooth | Ah, ok. Is it supposed to reload its context? | 14:26 |
dansmith | mdbooth: and also, it's definitely expected to be able to restart privsep if you're using a root helperto start | 14:26 |
mriedem | this is the only rootwrap mention in our docs https://docs.openstack.org/nova/stein/cli/nova-rootwrap.html - not even in the install guide | 14:26 |
dansmith | mdbooth: the bug is unrelated to privsep, it's in oslo.service killing things it shouldn't | 14:27 |
mdbooth | dansmith: ack | 14:27 |
mriedem | https://docs.openstack.org/nova/stein/search.html?q=privsep | 14:27 |
mriedem | pretty sad | 14:27 |
mriedem | i'll report a docs bug | 14:27 |
* mriedem uses trump voice when he says sad | 14:27 | |
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efried | okay, moving on? | 14:28 |
efried | #topic Stable branch status | 14:29 |
efried | #link stable/stein: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/stein | 14:29 |
efried | #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/rocky | 14:29 |
efried | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/queens | 14:29 |
efried | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(project:openstack/os-vif+OR+project:openstack/python-novaclient+OR+project:openstack/nova)+branch:stable/pike | 14:29 |
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efried | handful of stein-ish things we're going to wait on until after the release. | 14:29 |
efried | any other stable notes? | 14:30 |
efried | #topic Sub/related team Highlights | 14:30 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Sub/related team Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:30 | |
efried | Placement - no meeting this week | 14:30 |
efried | API (gmann) | 14:30 |
efried | #link This week updates: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-April/004538.html | 14:30 |
efried | #link Asking about API office hour continuation on ML - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/004336.html | 14:30 |
efried | gmann: anything to bring up here? | 14:30 |
gmann | that's all. | 14:31 |
efried | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:31 |
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efried | any? | 14:31 |
efried | #topic Forum Planning | 14:33 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Forum Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:33 | |
efried | Agenda has links to all the nova-ish sessions I found. If anyone knows of others, please add. | 14:33 |
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artom | Agenda being... https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DEN-train-nova-brainstorming? | 14:34 |
efried | gibi_off volunteered to help with the onboarding session. We're thinking to do a live-ish demo of fixing a bug by posting a recreate patch followed by a fix patch. | 14:34 |
efried | artom: Sorry, the meeting agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:34 |
mriedem | efried: i have some charts that could maybe be useful to link into onboarding session content - not to go over, but for further reading etc | 14:35 |
efried | ...and melwitt and I are going to co-chair the proj update session; she's started a google doc | 14:35 |
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mriedem | very targeted deep dive stuff | 14:35 |
efried | mriedem: cool, please do share. | 14:35 |
efried | any other forum topics? | 14:36 |
efried | #topic PTG Planning | 14:36 |
efried | #link PTG: Nova etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-train | 14:36 |
*** openstack changes topic to "PTG Planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:36 | |
efried | put yer stuff in the etherpad | 14:36 |
efried | put yer name next ta yer stuff | 14:36 |
efried | If you have conflicts / time constraints, include those somewhere in the appropriate pad(s) | 14:37 |
efried | Around middle of the week before I'll start trying to shape an agenda taking ^ into account. | 14:37 |
efried | mm, maybe I'll actually start that a little earlier to give people time to complain and readjust. | 14:38 |
efried | anything ptg-ish that needs to be discussed here? | 14:38 |
efried | #topic Open discussion | 14:38 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:38 | |
mriedem | here is that privsep docs bug for nova https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1823192 if someone wants to take a shot at it | 14:38 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1823192 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Lack of documentation for rootwrap and privsep in nova docs" [Undecided,New] | 14:38 |
efried | thanks mriedem | 14:39 |
efried | if there's nothing else... | 14:39 |
efried | Thanks all. | 14:40 |
efried | o/ | 14:40 |
efried | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 4 14:40:00 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-04-04-14.00.html | 14:40 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-04-04-14.00.txt | 14:40 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-04-04-14.00.log.html | 14:40 |
cdent | thanks efried | 14:40 |
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gmann | thanks efried | 14:40 |
mdbooth | o/ | 14:40 |
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gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 4 15:03:11 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:03 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:03 |
gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:03 |
gagehugo | ping fungi gagehugo lhinds nickthetait browne redrobot | 15:03 |
fungi | i stuck a few things on the agenda as i thought of them | 15:04 |
redrobot | Only 1/2 o/ ... got a work meeting right now as well. | 15:04 |
fungi | yeah,i'm juggling this and tc office hour as usual | 15:04 |
gagehugo | im on another call as well heh | 15:04 |
gagehugo | apologies for the late start | 15:05 |
gagehugo | #topic Privsep is not giving us any security | 15:05 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Privsep is not giving us any security (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:05 | |
gagehugo | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-March/004362.html | 15:05 |
fungi | yeah, just calling more attention to this since it came up after last week's meeting | 15:06 |
fungi | i flagged a reply for [security-sig] on the ml thread itself too | 15:07 |
fungi | but basically, this is a great opportunity for security-minded folks to get involved with helping make openstack services measurably more secure | 15:07 |
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gagehugo | fungi ok, I'll make sure to look it over today | 15:08 |
fungi | to summarize, oslo.privsep provides a framework for properly limiting privilege when performing certain sensitive system calls | 15:08 |
fungi | as a replacement for rootwrap which wasn't very flexible in this regard | 15:08 |
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fungi | and projects like nova have made a start at moving their rootwrap usage over to privsep, but they haven't really adjusted and refactored how those operations were being performed to take advantage of the improved security model there | 15:09 |
fungi | so it's a place folks interested in such topics can get involved in more bite-sized chunks if they like | 15:10 |
fungi | and ttx has taken a first stab at improving the privsep usage docs, which may help | 15:10 |
fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/649997 (openstack/oslo.privsep) Add more usage documentation | 15:10 |
fungi | it might also make for a good (multi-stage) community cycle goal | 15:11 |
fungi | anyway, that's all i had on this topic unless folks want to ask questions | 15:11 |
gagehugo | thanks fungi | 15:12 |
fungi | seems like there are no questions | 15:13 |
fungi | also feel free to ask them on that ml thread | 15:13 |
fungi | or in #openstack-oslo | 15:13 |
* gagehugo attaches a sticky note to read it over | 15:14 | |
gagehugo | #topic Security SIG most wanted | 15:14 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Security SIG most wanted (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:14 | |
gagehugo | I started an etherpad from last week's meeting about things ricolin was asking from the security sig | 15:14 |
gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-sig-most-wanted | 15:15 |
gagehugo | fungi: I added things from last week's meeting, mostly the documentation stuff | 15:16 |
gagehugo | was there anything else I missed that you recall? | 15:16 |
fungi | i'll skim quickly | 15:17 |
gagehugo | just whenever you are available | 15:18 |
gagehugo | I wanted to just bring it up here | 15:18 |
fungi | the first bullet is probably redundant | 15:18 |
fungi | you cover security analyses and the security guide already | 15:18 |
gagehugo | ok | 15:18 |
fungi | though also having folks pitch in on public security bugs would be nice | 15:18 |
fungi | i'll add something | 15:18 |
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gagehugo | ah yeah | 15:19 |
gagehugo | that's a good one | 15:19 |
fungi | if i think if anything else i'll toss it in there too | 15:21 |
gagehugo | sounds good! | 15:21 |
gagehugo | thanks fungi | 15:22 |
gagehugo | #topic Unable to install new flows on compute nodes when having broken security group rules | 15:22 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Unable to install new flows on compute nodes when having broken security group rules (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:22 | |
gagehugo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/neutron/+bug/1813007 | 15:22 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1813007 in OpenStack Security Advisory "[SRU] Unable to install new flows on compute nodes when having broken security group rules" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:22 |
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gagehugo | looks like fixes were backported | 15:23 |
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fungi | yep, the neutron bug folks just failed to add bugtasks for those series so no comments for them ended up in the report | 15:26 |
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gagehugo | ah | 15:26 |
fungi | but anyway, it looks like we will probably issue an advisory for this based on how it's shaping up | 15:26 |
gagehugo | ok | 15:26 |
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fungi | and if anyone is interested in pitching in, perhaps by volunteering to write an impact description so i don't need to, that would be great | 15:27 |
fungi | otherwise i'll probably get to it in the next day or two | 15:27 |
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fungi | (this is a prime example for the item i added to the help wanted etherpad moments ago) | 15:27 |
gagehugo | fungi: I will articulate a good summary for that in the etherpad | 15:28 |
fungi | oh, thanks gagehugo! | 15:28 |
fungi | i get the impression some of it can be drawn from ossa-2019-001 but with slightly different details | 15:28 |
gagehugo | hmm ok | 15:29 |
fungi | like ovs instead of iptables, and conflicting rules instead of ports coupled with non-port-relaetd protocols | 15:29 |
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gagehugo | ok, yeah I'll ping you if I have any questions later | 15:31 |
gagehugo | #topic open discussion | 15:31 |
*** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:31 | |
gagehugo | Does anyone have anything they want to talk about? | 15:31 |
gagehugo | I'm pretty sure we're getting a BoF room at the summit, and we have a floating session at the PTG it looks like | 15:32 |
fungi | that'll be swell | 15:32 |
fungi | i'll be there all week, getting in the saturday prior and leaving the sunday after | 15:33 |
gagehugo | nice, I'm arriving early sunday and leaving sat afternoon | 15:33 |
gagehugo | thanks for coming everyone, have a good weekend! | 15:36 |
gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:36 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 4 15:36:22 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:36 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-04-04-15.03.html | 15:36 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-04-04-15.03.txt | 15:36 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-04-04-15.03.log.html | 15:36 |
fungi | thanks gagehugo! | 15:39 |
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