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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:03 |
|---|---|---|
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 28 15:03:04 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda agenda | 15:03 |
| fungi | around as usual, but also in tc office hour | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | ping fungi gagehugo lhinds nickthetait browne redrobot | 15:03 |
| Luzi | o/ | 15:03 |
| redrobot | \o | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | o. | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | only item on the agenda so far is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1811098 had some updates | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1811098 in Ceilometer "[SRU] ceilometer writing snmp credentials to log file" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Edward Hope-Morley (hopem) | 15:05 |
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| gagehugo | anyone else have anything new? | 15:07 |
| Luzi | well i have a question | 15:08 |
| Luzi | concerning image encryption | 15:08 |
| Luzi | as it was way better to actually speak to other contributers at the last summit, then just to write specs and promote those... | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:09 |
| Luzi | were would be a good place for a forum discussion about the current stand and blockers for image encryption | 15:09 |
| Luzi | ? | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | Luzi: the openstack-discuss mailing list would be one option (if not already) | 15:10 |
| Luzi | i also followed the ml-thread about pop-up-teams | 15:10 |
| fungi | excellent, i did want to point that ml thread out to you | 15:10 |
| fungi | i see the image encryption effort as a pop-up team | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | same | 15:11 |
| Luzi | okay, i was also being pointed to the option to have a forum session dedicated for this | 15:12 |
| Luzi | the image encryption | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | if you are attending the summit, then yes :) | 15:12 |
| fungi | yes, proposing a forum session sounds like a great idea | 15:12 |
| Luzi | i thought so too :) | 15:13 |
| Luzi | but in which topic does it belong? | 15:13 |
| fungi | the forum doesn't really have tracks, if that's what you're asking. it basically is a track unto itself | 15:13 |
| fungi | (a track of the larger summit conference) | 15:13 |
| redrobot | I'd think that's a security track Forum? | 15:14 |
| redrobot | does this Security SIG (or team?) get Forum slots? | 15:14 |
| * redrobot just learned the other day Fishbowls are now called Forums | 15:14 | |
| gagehugo | redrobot: we have a slot for the PTG | 15:15 |
| redrobot | Forums are part of the Summit though, not PTG | 15:15 |
| gagehugo | the forums at the summit have always been unique though | 15:15 |
| gagehugo | not really set into a track | 15:15 |
| Luzi | well there are etherpads for gathering forum ideas right? | 15:15 |
| Luzi | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Denver2019 | 15:15 |
| fungi | right, teams don't get reserved forum slots. everyone proposes topic ideas for the forum and then the forum session selection committee (basically chairs for the "forum" track of the summit) selects however many we can fit (which is usually all of them) | 15:16 |
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| Luzi | but if it would be okay to just propose a forum session, I will do that | 15:16 |
| redrobot | Oh interesting. | 15:16 |
| Luzi | fungi, ah okay, thank you :) | 15:16 |
| fungi | forum sessions are ideally supposed to be cross-cutting topics which are relevant to multiple teams | 15:16 |
| * redrobot didn't learn enough about the Forum format | 15:16 | |
| gagehugo | https://www.openstack.org/summit/denver-2019/call-for-presentations | 15:17 |
| fungi | redrobot: it came about when the ptg was first created, as the "feedback" half of what used to make up our design summit sessions | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum | 15:17 |
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| gagehugo | Luzi: imo this is a great forum topic | 15:18 |
| Luzi | gagehugo, thank you too | 15:18 |
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| fungi | we basically moved the planning part of the design summit to the ptg and smashed it together with the working session concept part of mid-cycle events, but kept the feedback part of the design summit as a track of the summit conference | 15:18 |
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| fungi | though it gets muddy again now that we're doing the summit/forum back-to-back with the ptg this time | 15:19 |
| fungi | rather than in alternating quarters of the year | 15:19 |
| Luzi | thank you all, i will propose a forum session for the image encryption - it would be nice to see you there :) | 15:20 |
| Luzi | that was all from my side | 15:22 |
| gagehugo | Luzi: sounds good! | 15:22 |
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| gagehugo | anyone have anything else? | 15:23 |
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| gagehugo | thanks for coming everyone! | 15:29 |
| fungi | oh, yeah | 15:29 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:29 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 28 15:29:15 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-02-28-15.03.html | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-02-28-15.03.txt | 15:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2019/security.2019-02-28-15.03.log.html | 15:29 |
| gagehugo | fungi: sorry, what's up? | 15:29 |
| fungi | i'm generating the release signing key for train as we speak | 15:29 |
| fungi | it'll be available on keyservers later today for people to start signing | 15:29 |
| gagehugo | ah ok, cool | 15:30 |
| fungi | (we don't swap it into seervice until after stein releases though) | 15:30 |
| gagehugo | ack | 15:30 |
| fungi | but yeah, nothing else on my end | 15:30 |
| fungi | and sorry, heated debate during tc office hour distracted me from much of this week's meeting | 15:36 |
| gagehugo | fungi: heh np | 15:39 |
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| eumel8 | o/ | 15:59 |
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| rsimai | o/ | 15:59 |
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| eumel8 | #startmeeting openstack_i18n_meeting | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 28 16:01:06 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_i18n_meeting)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 16:01 |
| eumel8 | good morning | 16:01 |
| eumel8 | welcome to I18n team meeting | 16:01 |
| eumel8 | #topic release note translations | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release note translations (Meeting topic: openstack_i18n_meeting)" | 16:02 | |
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| eumel8 | first topic comes from rsimai :) | 16:03 |
| rsimai | I see this is my topic. A few words, ... | 16:03 |
| rsimai | a few years back we had decided to include the release notes in i18n efforts. I wonder if that's useful | 16:04 |
| rsimai | for me it adds an overhead and I can not easily see where we are with the translations | 16:04 |
| rsimai | prios should be UIs, the user-doc, then whatever. At least for me. | 16:04 |
| rsimai | so my suggestion is to either stop doing the release notes or at least take them out of the percentages, so I/we can see what's important and left. | 16:05 |
| rsimai | does that make sense? | 16:06 |
| eumel8 | I think so. We had some suggestions in the past and release notes are never on prio. | 16:07 |
| eumel8 | maybe we are over translation capacity and can translate it, but I think this isn't the case | 16:07 |
| rsimai | I don't mind if anyone wants to do that. But typically I scan through the percentages and see where we lack translations. This is difficult as the (missing) release notes translations taint the numbers ... | 16:08 |
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| eumel8 | mhm, got it. So we need to filter the release notes from the sync? | 16:11 |
| eumel8 | I think we have it for release branches already | 16:11 |
| rsimai | for me it would be helpful to easily see what's missing. I like the way how it's presented in Zanata, just the numbers aren't helpful | 16:12 |
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| eumel8 | agree | 16:15 |
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| eumel8 | #action eumel8 taking care release notes sync to Zanata to prevent wrong percentages | 16:16 |
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| eumel8 | I think it's easy to fix | 16:16 |
| eumel8 | hopefully ;) | 16:16 |
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| rsimai | thanks eumel8, looking forward. Hope it's not affecting anyone else negatively | 16:16 |
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| eumel8 | rsimai: I think it's right and we have enough to focus on UI | 16:17 |
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| eumel8 | next topic? | 16:18 |
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| rsimai | fine with me :-) | 16:18 |
| eumel8 | #topic OpenStack Ops Meetup | 16:18 |
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| eumel8 | next week we have OpenStack Ops Meetup Berlin (06-07 March 2019) | 16:19 |
| eumel8 | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ops-meetup-berlin-tickets-55034908894 | 16:19 |
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| eumel8 | we have still free spaces to discuss I18n things on downstream level | 16:19 |
| eumel8 | I think we have Ops Guide on the agenda and Ha guide as well | 16:20 |
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| eumel8 | We'll have a kind of I18n office hour for questions | 16:21 |
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| eumel8 | so if someone will join us, feel free :) | 16:21 |
| rsimai | I'd love to, unfortunately I can not... | 16:22 |
| eumel8 | ok, maybe pkovar from Docs team is available to share the session. Will see... | 16:23 |
| eumel8 | next topic | 16:23 |
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| eumel8 | #topic Train PTL nomination | 16:23 |
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| eumel8 | PTL nomination for Train will start next week (04 March 2019) | 16:24 |
| eumel8 | that's more like a warning ;) | 16:25 |
| eumel8 | so, thats enough to say for now | 16:26 |
| eumel8 | #topic Open Discussions | 16:27 |
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| eumel8 | it seems there is no Docs meeting at the follow up | 16:28 |
| rsimai | have no topics left :-) | 16:28 |
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| eumel8 | so, thanks rsimai for joining today and have a nice evening :) | 16:28 |
| rsimai | same to you eumel8, thanks for the meeting! | 16:28 |
| eumel8 | #endmeeting | 16:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 28 16:29:03 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2019/openstack_i18n_meeting.2019-02-28-16.01.html | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2019/openstack_i18n_meeting.2019-02-28-16.01.txt | 16:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2019/openstack_i18n_meeting.2019-02-28-16.01.log.html | 16:29 |
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| pkovar | #startmeeting docteam | 16:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 28 16:32:12 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pkovar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:32 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 16:32 |
| pkovar | #chair eumel8 | 16:32 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eumel8 pkovar | 16:32 |
| pkovar | eumel8: hello | 16:32 |
| eumel8 | o/ | 16:32 |
| eumel8 | pkovar: hello | 16:32 |
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| pkovar | so, next week ptl nomination period | 16:33 |
| eumel8 | yeah | 16:33 |
| pkovar | i won't run again but we have candidates i believe | 16:33 |
| pkovar | so everything is covered :) | 16:33 |
| eumel8 | really? I have an idea ;) | 16:34 |
| pkovar | hehe | 16:34 |
| pkovar | so whoever that is hehe will hopefully help out with the event organization | 16:36 |
| pkovar | i will talk to the new ptl about that after the election | 16:37 |
| pkovar | so we can plan on agenda properly | 16:37 |
| pkovar | s/with the event organization /with events organization to be precise | 16:38 |
| pkovar | s/with the event organization /with events organization/ to be even more precise | 16:39 |
| eumel8 | yes, will see. | 16:41 |
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| eumel8 | not sure if I'm in Denver. Still in planning phase for the trip | 16:42 |
| pkovar | for me it's more like a no than yes though never say never right? | 16:42 |
| pkovar | i might miss the train | 16:43 |
| eumel8 | I would combine this with vacation but I don't know if it's worth to stay 4 weeks in Denver | 16:44 |
| pkovar | eumel8: not in denver unless you like hiking i recommend a trip to california which i did last year | 16:44 |
| pkovar | flights to cali are really cheap from denver | 16:45 |
| pkovar | around 2 hrs travel time | 16:45 |
| pkovar | and you are in francisco | 16:45 |
| eumel8 | yeah, checked some possibilities for about 125 Euro, thats really cheap. But what about hotels? Seems expensive in San Francisco | 16:46 |
| pkovar | eumel8: yep, that's the unexciting part | 16:47 |
| pkovar | i went for cheap 2 star hotel | 16:48 |
| pkovar | it was okay but nothing fancy | 16:48 |
| pkovar | right in chinatown | 16:48 |
| pkovar | downtown | 16:48 |
| eumel8 | yeah, saw it in the description. Mostly with a bathroom for the whole floor | 16:48 |
| pkovar | yep | 16:49 |
| pkovar | in europe you would call it hostel really | 16:50 |
| eumel8 | A day trip could be an option. Or stay maximum over a night in a three star | 16:50 |
| pkovar | or that | 16:51 |
| eumel8 | that's the task for the weekend: to make this fix. | 16:51 |
| pkovar | a day trip woulnd't give you enough time i am afraid | 16:51 |
| pkovar | takes quite some time to get from the airport to downtown | 16:51 |
| pkovar | although there is high speed train | 16:51 |
| pkovar | but still | 16:51 |
| eumel8 | yes, saw it on google maps | 16:52 |
| pkovar | bart | 16:52 |
| pkovar | iirc | 16:52 |
| eumel8 | or car rent and driving around to switch from one 2 star hotel to another | 16:53 |
| pkovar | driving is a nightmare there they say | 16:54 |
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| pkovar | parking might be more expensive that the hotel upgrade | 16:55 |
| pkovar | dunno | 16:55 |
| eumel8 | really? Oh man, only bad news | 16:55 |
| pkovar | that's what i heard, better check it with a local :) | 16:55 |
| eumel8 | then better hiking. I think I would spend some time in Denver | 16:56 |
| pkovar | eumel8: i think stephen went to colorado springs so ask him about that | 16:57 |
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| pkovar | i visisted boulder and golden | 16:57 |
| pkovar | there are both in the denver area | 16:57 |
| pkovar | nice views there | 16:57 |
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| eumel8 | sounds good. also over night in hotels? | 16:58 |
| pkovar | eumel8: nope they are so close that one day trip is enough | 16:58 |
| pkovar | the denver tram / train goes to golden | 16:59 |
| pkovar | and there is express bus to boulder | 16:59 |
| pkovar | 1 hr travel time iirc | 16:59 |
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| eumel8 | great, because I found a Marriott in Denver that gives some nights for free if you stay longer there | 16:59 |
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| pkovar | sounds good | 17:00 |
| pkovar | got to go :) | 17:00 |
| pkovar | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 28 17:00:29 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2019/docteam.2019-02-28-16.32.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2019/docteam.2019-02-28-16.32.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2019/docteam.2019-02-28-16.32.log.html | 17:00 |
| eumel8 | Englewood. Maybe also in the middle of nowhere like Stapleton | 17:00 |
| eumel8 | oh, meeting is over ;) | 17:00 |
| pkovar | hehe | 17:00 |
| pkovar | yep | 17:01 |
| pkovar | cu later | 17:01 |
| eumel8 | cu | 17:01 |
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| melwitt | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 28 21:00:07 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is melwitt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | hi everyone, welcome to the nova meeting | 21:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 21:00 |
| artom | ~o~ | 21:00 |
| mriedem | that's my move | 21:00 |
| melwitt | let's make a start | 21:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:00 |
| melwitt | #topic Release News | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| melwitt | #link Stein release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Stein_Release_Schedule | 21:00 |
| melwitt | #info non-client library freeze is today Feb 28, os-vif 1.15.1 was released, os-resource-classes 0.3.0 was released. os-traits did not have anything new to release since last version. | 21:01 |
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| melwitt | so all of our non-client library releases are done | 21:01 |
| melwitt | #info s-3 feature freeze is March 7 | 21:01 |
| melwitt | one week away | 21:01 |
| melwitt | #link Stein blueprint status tracking: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-stein-blueprint-status | 21:01 |
| melwitt | we're tracking progress here ^ | 21:01 |
| efried | o/ | 21:02 |
| melwitt | #link Stein RC potential changes tracking: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-stein-rc-potential | 21:02 |
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| melwitt | RC potential blocker bugs and other related RC stuff goes here ^ | 21:02 |
| melwitt | #link Stein runway etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-runways-stein | 21:02 |
| melwitt | #link runway #1: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/flavor-extra-spec-image-property-validation (jackding) [END 2019-03-06] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/620706/ Flavor extra spec and image properties validation | 21:02 |
| melwitt | #link runway #2: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-conductor-groups (jroll) [END 2019-03-06] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/635006/ ironic: partition compute services by conductor group | 21:02 |
| melwitt | this is merged and bp marked as complete today ^ | 21:03 |
| melwitt | #link runway #3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/enable-rebuild-for-instances-in-cell0 (ttsiouts) [END 2019-03-07 - feature freeze] https://review.openstack.org/570201 | 21:03 |
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| melwitt | does anyone have anything else to mention for release news? or questions? | 21:03 |
| melwitt | ok, moving on | 21:03 |
| melwitt | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| melwitt | no critical bugs | 21:04 |
| melwitt | #link 69 new untriaged bugs (up 5 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 21:04 |
| melwitt | #link 9 untagged untriaged bugs (up 3 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 21:04 |
| melwitt | #link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 21:04 |
| melwitt | #help need help with bug triage | 21:04 |
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| melwitt | when doing bug triage, use the nova-stein-rc-potential bug tag for potential RC blockers | 21:05 |
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| melwitt | #link ML post http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-February/003343.html | 21:05 |
| melwitt | Gate status | 21:05 |
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| melwitt | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:06 |
| melwitt | 3rd party CI | 21:06 |
| melwitt | #link 3rd party CI status http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:06 |
| melwitt | anything else to mention for bugs or gate/CI? | 21:06 |
| melwitt | ok, continuing | 21:06 |
| melwitt | #topic Stable branch status | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:07 | |
| melwitt | #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/rocky,n,z | 21:07 |
| melwitt | very few rocky backports proposed | 21:07 |
| melwitt | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens,n,z | 21:07 |
| efried | That must mean rocky was perfect | 21:07 |
| melwitt | yeah that's what I assume | 21:07 |
| * artom prefers Rocky II personally | 21:07 | |
| melwitt | queens backports could use some review help | 21:08 |
| melwitt | lots o backports | 21:08 |
| melwitt | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 21:08 |
| efried | something something Stallone can beat up Freddy Mercury | 21:08 |
| melwitt | bunch for pike too. help wanted | 21:08 |
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| melwitt | I'll propose stable releases next week on s-3 day | 21:08 |
| melwitt | since we usually aim for doing stable release at milestone | 21:09 |
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| melwitt | maybe we should do that a week later bc FF actually | 21:09 |
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| melwitt | so maybe the week after FF aim to flush stable reviews and release | 21:10 |
| melwitt | anything else for stable branches before we move on? | 21:10 |
| melwitt | ok | 21:10 |
| melwitt | #topic Subteam Highlights | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Subteam Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:10 | |
| melwitt | efried: any updates for scheduler? | 21:11 |
| efried | you know it | 21:11 |
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| efried | #link n-sch minutes http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_scheduler/2019/nova_scheduler.2019-02-25-14.00.html | 21:11 |
| efried | We discussed | 21:11 |
| efried | #link alloc cands in_tree series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/638929/ | 21:11 |
| efried | ...which has since merged \o/ (microversion 1.31) | 21:11 |
| efried | We discussed | 21:11 |
| efried | #link the OVO-ectomy https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:cd/less-ovo+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 21:11 |
| efried | ...all of which has since merged. There is a continuation of | 21:11 |
| efried | #link refactors and cleanup currently starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/637325/ | 21:11 |
| efried | We discussed | 21:11 |
| efried | #link libvirt reshaper (new bottom of series) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636591/ | 21:11 |
| efried | That bottom patch has merged, and the rest of the series is mostly green except for one issue noted at | 21:11 |
| efried | #link what happens to mdevs on reboot? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636591/5/nova/virt/libvirt/driver.py@586 | 21:11 |
| efried | We discussed | 21:12 |
| efried | #link ML thread about placement & related bug/bp tracking #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-February/003102.html | 21:12 |
| efried | As well another couple of operational things that should be hashed out on the ML, possibly initiated there by the PTL (old or new): | 21:12 |
| efried | - Format/fate of the n-sch meeting | 21:12 |
| efried | - Placement team logistics at the PTG | 21:12 |
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| efried | END | 21:12 |
| melwitt | cool, so based on that I will mark the in_tree bp as complete | 21:12 |
| efried | there is a spec update pending | 21:12 |
| melwitt | I think that's ok. I'll bug people to review the spec update | 21:13 |
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| efried | #link in-tree alloc candidates spec update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639033/ | 21:13 |
| efried | yeah, self.review_that_sucker() | 21:13 |
| melwitt | yeah, me too | 21:13 |
| melwitt | ok | 21:13 |
| melwitt | no updates for API from gmann on the agenda | 21:13 |
| melwitt | so we'll move on to... | 21:13 |
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| melwitt | #topic Stuck Reviews | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:14 | |
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| melwitt | (mriedem): Decide what to do about attaching volumes with tags to shelved offloaded servers for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/623981 | 21:14 |
| melwitt | #link ML thread with options: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-February/003356.html | 21:14 |
| mriedem | you want me to just go? | 21:14 |
| melwitt | yeah, sure | 21:14 |
| mriedem | the options are in the email | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | the way the root detach/attach code is written today, | 21:15 |
| mriedem | when detaching a root volume, the tag is reset to None, | 21:15 |
| mriedem | with the idea that when you attach a new root volume, you could specify a new tag, | 21:15 |
| mriedem | the problem is, root detach/attach is only allowed on shelved offloaded instances, | 21:15 |
| mriedem | but the api does not allow you to attach a volume with a tag to a shelved offloaded instance | 21:15 |
| mriedem | the tag part specifically | 21:15 |
| mriedem | the original thinking was because when we unshelve, we don't know if the compute will support tags | 21:16 |
| mriedem | and honor them | 21:16 |
| mriedem | however, | 21:16 |
| mriedem | that's already a latent bug because i can createa server with device tags, shelve it and then unshelve it and if i land on a host that does not support device tags, it passes but my tags aren't exposed to the guest | 21:16 |
| mriedem | that recorded with bug 1817927 | 21:16 |
| openstack | bug 1817927 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "device tagging support is not checked during move operations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1817927 | 21:16 |
| mriedem | same is true for any move operation actually, | 21:16 |
| mriedem | because we don't consider the user-requested device tags during scheduling at all, not even create | 21:16 |
| mriedem | so, | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i think we're restricting attaching volumes with tags to shelve offloaded servers for really no good reason | 21:17 |
| artom | I guess realistically, how many people are running heterogeneous clouds with the potential to hit bug 1817927? It was reported by mriedem, not and end user/operator... | 21:17 |
| openstack | bug 1817927 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "device tagging support is not checked during move operations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1817927 | 21:17 |
| mriedem | the question is what to do about it in the context of the root volume detach/attach series | 21:17 |
| mriedem | artom: i would say slim | 21:17 |
| artom | mriedem, yeah, so I'm partial to 1, with you | 21:18 |
| mriedem | also, looking back, | 21:18 |
| mriedem | we probably should have put a policy rule in the api for device tags if your deployment doesn't support them | 21:18 |
| melwitt | IIUC, when you create an instance, tags are not guaranteed to be supported by the compute host the server lands on? | 21:18 |
| mriedem | like we have for trusted certs | 21:18 |
| mriedem | melwitt: correct, and if they land on a compute that doesn't support them during create, it aborts | 21:18 |
| mriedem | no reschedule, nothing - you're dead | 21:18 |
| artom | melwitt, this was more true in the past with the possibility of older versions, but now it's just about running a supported hypervisor | 21:19 |
| melwitt | ok. then I guess I don't see why to restrict it for shelve/unshelve | 21:19 |
| mriedem | again correct | 21:19 |
| artom | hyperv and xen and libvirt have them (for boot time) | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | yeah so if you're running VIO and your users try to specify tags during server create, kaboom | 21:19 |
| mriedem | we could policy rule that out of existence if we wanted, but it hasn't come up | 21:19 |
| melwitt | yeah. it seems like the existing restriction doesn't make sense given that there's not even a restriction for create | 21:19 |
| mriedem | also, with the compute-driven capabilities traits stuff that aspiers is working on, | 21:20 |
| mriedem | we can modify the request spec in train to say, "the user wants tags, so make sure you give them a compute which supports tags" | 21:20 |
| melwitt | yeah, that would be nice | 21:21 |
| mriedem | so if we're leaning to option 1, we would lift that restriction in the same microversion Kevin_Zheng is adding for the root attach/detach support | 21:21 |
| mriedem | i assume anyway | 21:21 |
| mriedem | we can't really just remove the restriction and say 'oops' for interop reasons | 21:21 |
| melwitt | yeah. I can't immediately think of how a separate microversion would help | 21:21 |
| mriedem | this does make his change more complicated | 21:22 |
| melwitt | yeah :( | 21:22 |
| mriedem | but i think it needs to happen this way, i don't want to half ass around with multiple microversions for this | 21:22 |
| artom | mriedem, actually, hold up | 21:22 |
| artom | IIRC one of the reasons we outright refused tagged attach to shelved is because we had to communicate with the compute manager | 21:23 |
| artom | Which we didn't know at the time of attach | 21:23 |
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| artom | Has this been "solved" by Kevin's work? | 21:23 |
| mriedem | when attaching a volume to a not-shelved server, we call down to compute to reserve a device name | 21:23 |
| mriedem | when attaching a volume to a shelved offloaded server, we just create the bdm in the api | 21:23 |
| mriedem | in the case of your tagged attach code, it will also check the compute capabilities to see if it supports tagged attach and blow up if not | 21:24 |
| mriedem | so we wouldn't have ^ in the case of shelved offloaded attach | 21:24 |
| mriedem | however, as noted, we're already not honoring device tags on unshelve anyway | 21:24 |
| mriedem | so....who cares? | 21:24 |
| mriedem | the long-term fix for doing that properly is the scheduling based on required traits stuff | 21:25 |
| mriedem | i don't think we can just start exploding unshelve because servers have tags with them now | 21:25 |
| mriedem | until the scheduler piece is worked in | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | artom: you're thinking of this https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/manager.py#L5480 | 21:26 |
| mriedem | ^ happens during an attach to a non-shelved server | 21:26 |
| mriedem | multiattach volumes are kind of broken in the same way wrt unshelve | 21:27 |
| mriedem | you can boot from multiattach volume, shelve and then unshelve elsewhere on something that doesn't support it | 21:27 |
| mriedem | the api kicks out trying to attach multiattach volumes to shelved servers as well | 21:27 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L4199 | 21:28 |
| melwitt | I assume volume attach is the only time you can add device tags to something | 21:28 |
| mriedem | create and attach | 21:29 |
| melwitt | otherwise a workaround would be to set them after attaching sans tags | 21:29 |
| melwitt | got it | 21:29 |
| mriedem | we don't have that today | 21:29 |
| artom | mriedem, hah, found it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391941/50/nova/compute/api.py | 21:29 |
| melwitt | right | 21:29 |
| artom | And yeah, it was only checking for compute host support | 21:29 |
| melwitt | so that means a server create could reschedule to land on a host with support? | 21:30 |
| mriedem | server create aborts if it lands on a host that doesn't support tags | 21:31 |
| mriedem | it does not reschedule | 21:31 |
| melwitt | oh that's in manager | 21:31 |
| melwitt | I see. ok | 21:31 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/manager.py#L1898 | 21:31 |
| mriedem | so another option is, | 21:31 |
| mriedem | land kevin's code as-is (option 2 in my email), | 21:31 |
| mriedem | and when we have smarter scheduling to take device tags and multiattach volumes into account, we could add a microversion to top the tag/multiattach restriction on attaching volumes to shelved offloaded instances | 21:32 |
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| mriedem | which is these 2 checks https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L4191 | 21:32 |
| mriedem | s/top/drop/ | 21:33 |
| artom | It'd be kinda weird to just disappear a tag without warnin | 21:33 |
| artom | *warning | 21:33 |
| melwitt | that also sounds reasonable, and would make it easier on Kevin for landing this series. the only potential pitfall is that ^ you could lose your tags and be unable to re-add them | 21:33 |
| mriedem | well, we'd probably put something in the api reference saying 'at this microversion you can detach a root volume but note that the tag will be gone with it and you cannot provide a new tag when attaching a new root volume' | 21:33 |
| artom | We'll need a big warning regardless | 21:34 |
| melwitt | ++ | 21:34 |
| artom | Hrmm, so actually, the API is user-facing, right? | 21:34 |
| mriedem | our api is meant to be used by users yes... | 21:34 |
| artom | So if we're going to warn about stuff in the API, it should be about what users can change/control | 21:34 |
| artom | Ie, telling them their tag will disappear is fair game | 21:34 |
| melwitt | I think ideal is option 1, the restriction seems artificial based on what's been explained. but can we even get option 1 done within a week | 21:34 |
| artom | Telling them their unshelve might blow up because behind the scenes the operator is running different HVs isn't fair | 21:35 |
| artom | Because they can't do anything about that | 21:35 |
| artom | So with that reasoning I'm leaning more 2 now | 21:35 |
| mriedem | artom: as in do what we have now, and in the future when we don't suck at scheduling, lift the api restriction | 21:36 |
| artom | mriedem, yeah | 21:36 |
| artom | (Heh, "when") | 21:36 |
| melwitt | I guess I could see how unshelve is worse than rejecting a create in a mixed HV's env because you haven't invested much into your server yet | 21:36 |
| mriedem | well, unshelve just fails, | 21:36 |
| mriedem | we don't delete your snapshot | 21:36 |
| mriedem | actually unshelve doesn't even fail if you have device tags | 21:37 |
| mriedem | that's that bug from earlier | 21:37 |
| mriedem | bug 1817927 | 21:37 |
| openstack | bug 1817927 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "device tagging support is not checked during move operations" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1817927 | 21:37 |
| melwitt | oh yeah, right. | 21:37 |
| artom | (That'd be hillarious if the FaultWrapper just deleted a random instance) | 21:37 |
| mriedem | but nor does evacuate, resize or live migrate | 21:37 |
| artom | So what does actually happen? The tag is just ignored? | 21:38 |
| mriedem | yes | 21:38 |
| artom | That's harmless | 21:38 |
| mriedem | we don't honor the user request | 21:38 |
| artom | So really 1 and 2 are the same in that sense | 21:38 |
| artom | You end up with a tagless server | 21:38 |
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| melwitt | ok, this is pretty complicated to reason about but I think the problem has been adequately explained. so we could continue discussing in #openstack-nova and/or the ML | 21:39 |
| artom | In 1 it's ignored by the unshelve | 21:39 |
| artom | In 2 it's removed by the detach | 21:39 |
| mriedem | ok we can move on, people can dump opinions in the ML | 21:39 |
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| artom | I have to bounce to pick up kids anyways | 21:39 |
| artom | o/ | 21:39 |
| melwitt | ok, cool | 21:39 |
| melwitt | last thing, open discussion | 21:39 |
| melwitt | #topic Open discussion | 21:40 |
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| melwitt | anyone have anything for open discussion before we wrap up? | 21:40 |
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| melwitt | going | 21:40 |
| melwitt | going | 21:41 |
| melwitt | ok, guess that's it, thank you all | 21:41 |
| melwitt | #endmeeting | 21:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 28 21:41:19 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-02-28-21.00.html | 21:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-02-28-21.00.txt | 21:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2019/nova.2019-02-28-21.00.log.html | 21:41 |
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