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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting fc_sig | 07:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 27 07:04:35 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' | 07:04 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 07:04 |
| tonyb | \o | 07:05 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda meeting agenda | 07:05 |
| diablo_rojo | Sorry everyone :) I definitely lost track of time. | 07:05 |
| diablo_rojo | I blame netflix | 07:05 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: sounds legit | 07:05 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, around? | 07:06 |
| diablo_rojo | I'm guessing he's sleeping | 07:06 |
| diablo_rojo | But figured I would try | 07:06 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think we can get things rolling since mattoliverau also won't be around tonight. | 07:07 |
| diablo_rojo | So! | 07:07 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New Contributor Patches | 07:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Contributor Patches (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:07 | |
| diablo_rojo | I was terrible and did not do the homework | 07:08 |
| * tonyb found a tripleo one! | 07:08 | |
| tonyb | but so far nothing much has happened | 07:08 |
| diablo_rojo | Does it need someone to review it? Or you are waiting for the person to respond to comments you've made? | 07:09 |
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| tonyb | both | 07:09 |
| tonyb | I'm not push ing on the review side until the owner pipes in | 07:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Glad its being looked after :) | 07:10 |
| tonyb | It was a shock to find one ;P | 07:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Not many new contributors to tripleO I guess | 07:11 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, find anything notable? | 07:11 |
| cmurphy | i did not | 07:11 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy no worries. I didn't either lol. | 07:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Moving on? | 07:12 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Ask.o.o Questions | 07:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ask.o.o Questions (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:13 | |
| mattoliverau | I'm not here (but quickly while bathing) I got contacted by a guy who found me via the first contact sig page re: getting involved in swift! Been helping him get going, had a video meeting with him. He's based in India. | 07:13 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, that's awesome :) | 07:13 |
| mattoliverau | *bathing the kids | 07:13 |
| * cmurphy comments on osc patch | 07:13 | |
| mattoliverau | Otherwise that might read wierd | 07:13 |
| tonyb | mattoliverau: Great! and LOL | 07:14 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, lol thats what I had read it as | 07:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Back on topic, I can try to write another softball question or two in the next week to help keep seeding the website with good information | 07:15 |
| diablo_rojo | To make up for my not doing the homework :/ | 07:15 |
| diablo_rojo | #action diablo_rojo will post another question or two on ask.o.o | 07:16 |
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| diablo_rojo | Then hopefully one of you will answer it/them. | 07:16 |
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| diablo_rojo | NExt topic? | 07:16 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: +1 | 07:16 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Sandbox Bot | 07:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sandbox Bot (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:17 | |
| * diablo_rojo looks in tonyb's direction | 07:17 | |
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| tonyb | So sadly not a lot to say since last meeting | 07:18 |
| tonyb | It basically works but really could do with some actual design work | 07:18 |
| diablo_rojo | I think I made one comment on it | 07:19 |
| tonyb | The original plan was for it to live in project-config but now I'm wondering if we just want it on pypi? | 07:19 |
| diablo_rojo | And tested it | 07:19 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: you did! | 07:19 |
| * tonyb even addressed your comment ;P | 07:19 | |
| diablo_rojo | I feel like it makes sense to live wherever the welcome new contributor bot lives? | 07:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Cause bots need friends you know | 07:20 |
| tonyb | Of course because it's running on my laptop and I rebooted last week it hasn't been running :( | 07:20 |
| tonyb | hehe Yeah okay | 07:20 |
| tonyb | So the next step is for us to decide if what it does now is good enough to merge into project-config and then added to $all_the_things | 07:20 |
| diablo_rojo | I think what it does now is good. We can add to it more after. | 07:21 |
| tonyb | I'll send an update to the list tomorrow | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool. | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything you need from us tonyb? | 07:21 |
| tonyb | I've done the easy bit | 07:21 |
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| tonyb | so now I kind need ya'll to help with the hard stuff like adding it to OUI etc | 07:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | I feel like adding it to OUI is easy, but sure... the hard stuff. | 07:22 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: but I guess that needs to wait until I document it on list and get it merged | 07:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Some documentation would probably be good yeah | 07:22 |
| diablo_rojo | But happy to review that if you wanna add me to the patch when you get it pushed | 07:23 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: cool beans | 07:23 |
| diablo_rojo | anything else on this topic? | 07:23 |
| tonyb | not from me | 07:23 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Forum Planning | 07:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum Planning (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:23 | |
| diablo_rojo | Submissions are open until March 8th. | 07:23 |
| diablo_rojo | I made an etherpad: | 07:24 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FC_SIG_Denver_forum_topics | 07:24 |
| diablo_rojo | But its currently empty | 07:24 |
| diablo_rojo | We also could have BoF space if we wanted | 07:24 |
| diablo_rojo | and only a few days later we will have PTG space for half a day | 07:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | So... things to think about. What we want to talk about and when. | 07:25 |
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| tonyb | I feel like the PTG is a better fit this time | 07:25 |
| diablo_rojo | The only Forum session I was really thinking about was around the awareness/deduplication of onboarding efforts. Make sure everyone is aware of what exists, etc. | 07:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Since there seemed to be a lot of confusion and surprise as things were listed when the help wanted list was a hot topic | 07:27 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: Yeah that makes sense | 07:27 |
| diablo_rojo | But thats still forming in my brain. So if anyone has input I am all ears. | 07:27 |
| diablo_rojo | I think the problem would be getting the right people in the room | 07:27 |
| diablo_rojo | I think we can use our BoF like we did last time- hang out/meet people/put names to faces etc | 07:27 |
| diablo_rojo | I think the rest of discussions we can save for the PTG | 07:28 |
| diablo_rojo | That was a lot of sentences starting with 'I think' in a row lol | 07:28 |
| cmurphy | an onboarding/mentoring forum session with the tc sounds like a good idea | 07:29 |
| tonyb | I think you're about right | 07:29 |
| cmurphy | sorry *I think an onboarding/mentoring forum session with the tc sounds like a good idea | 07:29 |
| tonyb | cmurphy: \o/ | 07:29 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, I can get something drafted in the etherpad if you would give it a look before I submit | 07:29 |
| cmurphy | sure | 07:29 |
| diablo_rojo | and then maybe we bring it up in office hours to get their buy in too? | 07:29 |
| diablo_rojo | I'll draft something tomorrowish. Maybe Thursday depending on how tomorrow goes. | 07:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Anyone got anything else on upcoming events? Or forum submissions? Hopefully gmann and mattoliverau can weigh in later. | 07:31 |
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| * cmurphy nothing | 07:34 | |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Regs for Organisations Contributing to OpenStack | 07:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Regs for Organisations Contributing to OpenStack (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:34 | |
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| diablo_rojo | I tried to talk to lsell about how to get a thing on the agenda but didn't get any direction so I will keep pushing on that. | 07:34 |
| diablo_rojo | I saw some chatter about the next meeting so the agenda is probably already set, but if I can get a slot I will let you all know. | 07:34 |
| diablo_rojo | That's all I had for this topic. | 07:35 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic People to Reach Out To | 07:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "People to Reach Out To (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:35 | |
| tonyb | Oh so ... | 07:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I am guessing its still all crickets here? | 07:35 |
| tonyb | In Decemeber I said I'd create a document to track who was reaching out and when that was last done | 07:35 |
| tonyb | so I give you ... in all it's glory: https://ethercalc.openstack.org/fc-sig-contact-list | 07:36 |
| tonyb | but yeah I haven't actually done anything | 07:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Beautiful | 07:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Thats really helpful | 07:36 |
| tonyb | I made my best guess ay who was 'assigned | 07:36 |
| tonyb | ' based on the meeting logs but feel free to correct | 07:37 |
| diablo_rojo | I feel like mattoliverau and cmurphy were on this list as well for chatting to people, but I would have to go through many an IRC log to confirm.. | 07:37 |
| cmurphy | i reached out to one a while ago | 07:37 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, yeah melissaml? | 07:37 |
| cmurphy | yeah | 07:37 |
| cmurphy | what did you all say to them when you were reaching out? | 07:38 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: Yeah they definately looked that way but I *think* it was for organisations rather than developers | 07:38 |
| tonyb | theer was a lot of talk about 'Internap' but I couldn't match that to anyone on this list | 07:38 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy...I...haven't yet. | 07:38 |
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| cmurphy | dhellmann said he had some luck getting work out of people by being explicit about tasks that needed to get done, that might be a better approach than just offering to help | 07:38 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo, cmurphy melissaml is ma.lei | 07:38 |
| cmurphy | if we have some kind of backlog | 07:38 |
| tonyb | thay have multiple accounts :/ | 07:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah | 07:39 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, yeah I saw that. I think its a good idea too. | 07:39 |
| tonyb | Perhaps I should add that ... | 07:39 |
| diablo_rojo | I think if we get that help wanted list job postings maybe we can throw those things their way? | 07:39 |
| cmurphy | yeah maybe | 07:40 |
| diablo_rojo | Otherwise I don't know how to assign a project really since most of them have touched dozens of repos across several projects. | 07:40 |
| cmurphy | right | 07:40 |
| diablo_rojo | I guess we can wait till the help wanted list reforms and then give communication another shot. | 07:42 |
| diablo_rojo | So hold off for now? | 07:42 |
| * diablo_rojo will accept silence as agreement :) | 07:43 | |
| cmurphy | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 07:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha | 07:43 |
| * tonyb shrugs | 07:43 | |
| tonyb | ... sure? | 07:43 |
| diablo_rojo | I'll take all of that as affirmation | 07:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else on this topic? | 07:44 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Open Discussion | 07:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:45 | |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, did you get Denver booked yet? | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Will you be able to come help with OUI? | 07:46 |
| cmurphy | lol still not approved | 07:46 |
| cmurphy | i still have a few hours right? | 07:46 |
| tonyb | cmurphy: hours? | 07:46 |
| cmurphy | before the discount pricing goes up? | 07:46 |
| tonyb | Oh | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, yeah I think so | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | maybe not a few | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | might just be like.. an hour | 07:47 |
| cmurphy | um | 07:47 |
| * diablo_rojo looks | 07:47 | |
| * tonyb wishes that kind of feedback worked with $corporate_overlords | 07:47 | |
| cmurphy | This is a friendly reminder that your 80% discount code for a Summit + PTG Combo ticket expires at 11:59pm PT on Wednesday, February 27 (7:59am UTC on February 28). | 07:48 |
| diablo_rojo | One more day then | 07:48 |
| cmurphy | i think that's in 24 hours not 10 minutes | 07:48 |
| diablo_rojo | I think you are correct | 07:48 |
| diablo_rojo | I was misremembering | 07:48 |
| * diablo_rojo hasn't registered either for whatever thats worth | 07:48 | |
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| cmurphy | i was thinking all yesterday that it was going to end this morning | 07:48 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: pft timezones are hard | 07:48 |
| diablo_rojo | I now have the les mis song 'One More Day' stuck in my head | 07:49 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, they are | 07:49 |
| cmurphy | i am assuming i will be at the summit but probably at oui only for the sunday | 07:50 |
| * tonyb adds One Day More to tomorrows playlist ... just becasue | 07:50 | |
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| cmurphy | i think aquarium diving is saturday | 07:51 |
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| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, Sunday is the day we need more hands so that fine. | 07:51 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, you're going aquarium diving? | 07:51 |
| cmurphy | ya | 07:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Nice :) | 07:51 |
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| diablo_rojo | I will not be.. I will be educating the future of OpenStack instead ;) | 07:52 |
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| tonyb | ... but aquarium diving sounds fun | 07:52 |
| diablo_rojo | It does | 07:53 |
| * tonyb needs a PADI qualification to OUI it is ;P | 07:53 | |
| cmurphy | you still have time to get certified :) | 07:54 |
| tonyb | cmurphy: there isn't a certifier here | 07:54 |
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| diablo_rojo | Anything else for Open Discussion or shall I close it? | 07:55 |
| * tonyb is done | 07:56 | |
| * diablo_rojo is done too | 07:56 | |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy ? | 07:56 |
| cmurphy | nope | 07:56 |
| cmurphy | oh wait | 07:56 |
| cmurphy | maybe we should do another poll for meeting tie? | 07:56 |
| diablo_rojo | ? | 07:57 |
| cmurphy | time | 07:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh yeah | 07:57 |
| diablo_rojo | When do you move again? | 07:57 |
| cmurphy | april | 07:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Beginning? | 07:57 |
| cmurphy | but gmann is already moved | 07:57 |
| cmurphy | beginning | 07:57 |
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| tonyb | Early April is when Australia does it's DST trabsition so by then US, EU and AU will all be on the 'new' time | 07:58 |
| diablo_rojo | I can get the poll ready to send out and we can shift the meeting maybe after the next one? | 07:58 |
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| tonyb | perhaps it's best to wait until that all settles? | 07:59 |
| cmurphy | sounds good | 07:59 |
| cmurphy | tonyb: that makes sense | 07:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah we can do the poll and then wait to actually do the shift till like.. after our April 9th meeting? | 07:59 |
| * diablo_rojo thinks she counted that correctly | 07:59 | |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: that sounds right | 07:59 |
| tonyb | I think that means we'll have a couple where gmann can't make it | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool. I'll get the poll made/sent out before next meeting | 08:00 |
| tonyb | ... then of course we'll all go to Denver ;P | 08:00 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo: #action it :P | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Well I can add when we want to make the change to the email too | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | #action diablo_rojo will create a poll to find a new meeting time | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Done. | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else? | 08:01 |
| cmurphy | nope | 08:01 |
| cmurphy | for real this time | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Oops we are over time | 08:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, lol :) | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 08:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 27 08:01:48 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2019/fc_sig.2019-02-27-07.04.html | 08:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2019/fc_sig.2019-02-27-07.04.txt | 08:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2019/fc_sig.2019-02-27-07.04.log.html | 08:01 |
| cmurphy | thanks diablo_rojo | 08:01 |
| tonyb | Thanks diablo_rojo | 08:02 |
| diablo_rojo | My pleasure cmurphy and tonyb :) | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks for attending! | 08:03 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 27 11:00:16 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 11:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 11:00 |
| ildikov | o/ | 11:00 |
| bogdando | o/ | 11:00 |
| oneswig | greetings o/ | 11:00 |
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| belmoreira | o/ | 11:00 |
| mgoddard | \o | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_February_27th_2019 | 11:00 |
| oneswig | hi ildikov bogdando belmoreira mgoddard | 11:01 |
| janders | g'day all | 11:01 |
| ildikov | hi :) | 11:01 |
| mgoddard | hi | 11:01 |
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| oneswig | evening janders | 11:02 |
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| oneswig | I trust everyone has got their summit arrangements in place, for those that are going? :-) | 11:02 |
| b1airo | yeah i should really do that | 11:02 |
| oneswig | g'day b1airo | 11:02 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 11:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 11:02 |
| janders | flights booked - rest in progress | 11:02 |
| b1airo | how goes it? | 11:02 |
| janders | who's staying around for the PTG? | 11:02 |
| oneswig | #topic Denver Summit | 11:03 |
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| oneswig | I am - but only for 1 day. Got to fly home for a family occasion at the weekend. | 11:03 |
| mgoddard | I'll be there sunday - saturday | 11:03 |
| oneswig | mgoddard: thought it was Monday? | 11:03 |
| mgoddard | sorry, monday - saturday | 11:03 |
| b1airo | unsure yet. probably. we seem to have a spot in the PTG for the SIG | 11:04 |
| janders | indeed! | 11:04 |
| mgoddard | in fact, travelling monday, summit on tuesday :) | 11:04 |
| verdurin | Morning. | 11:04 |
| priteau | No summit / PTG for me, but there should be two Blazar core contributors present | 11:04 |
| oneswig | We do. We have SIG sessions in the forum followed by SIG sessions at the PTG. | 11:05 |
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| oneswig | Different focus but we'll need to concentrate on channelling the discussion in each... | 11:05 |
| oneswig | Hi verdurin priteau, morning | 11:05 |
| mgoddard | How will those sessions differ? | 11:05 |
| janders | great to see a fair bit of interest in the PTG. I propose we dedicate a part of one of the future IRC meetings to discuss the Scientific SIG agenda for the PTG | 11:06 |
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| oneswig | mgoddard: The forum session is always operator/user facing. I don't think so many of those will be in the PTG. Last one I was at we talked a lot with the Nova and Ironic folks who were really great and turned up to our session. | 11:06 |
| oneswig | martial led the last PTG and I think you know more about that one than me :-) | 11:06 |
| b1airo | seconded janders | 11:07 |
| oneswig | janders: thirded | 11:07 |
| mgoddard | will be a common theme I think, trying to maintain a useful distinction between these sessions with many of the same people present | 11:07 |
| b1airo | did i make you backspace oneswig ? | 11:07 |
| ildikov | oneswig: +1, the PTG is a great place for cross-project type discussions | 11:08 |
| oneswig | What I saw was a really productive discussion on articulating use case requirements. We did *cough* not follow up on our side of the ensuing participation admittedly | 11:08 |
| oneswig | Should make a resolution to do that better this cycle. | 11:08 |
| oneswig | Anyway, it's actually a good opportunity because the forum session will be fresh in our minds. | 11:08 |
| oneswig | On the subject of the forum session, we are planning to split it into some lightning talks again, given that seems to work well. | 11:09 |
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| janders | are any of you attending the Red Hat Summit in addition to the Denver events? | 11:09 |
| oneswig | janders: not me, I don't get out much | 11:10 |
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| oneswig | I'm due to be at a Dell community HPC event at the end of March though... | 11:10 |
| b1airo | yeah, we could tee up some time with relevant project teams (e.g. Blazar, Cyborg, ...), but unless we have people who are using or have tried using those projects it is questionable as to how useful it would be. i suppose prep work and careful formatting is the key to making it worthwhile | 11:10 |
| b1airo | those Dell events are generally decent | 11:11 |
| b1airo | unlikely to do Red Hat, too long away from home | 11:11 |
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| b1airo | i did enjoy it last year though. they have good hands on stuff, but you really have to get in fast | 11:12 |
| oneswig | If the PTG format is similar, we'll go in the early stage cross-project phase, and a lot of leads and cores from the larger projects tend to drop by. | 11:12 |
| ildikov | I'm not sure about the format yet as it'll be shorter this time | 11:13 |
| janders | speaking of Dell - do you guys have any experience with their PowerEdge C6420 platform? | 11:13 |
| oneswig | ildikov: thanks, I've not seen anything on it | 11:13 |
| oneswig | janders: yes, sure | 11:14 |
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| verdurin | janders: we have a bunch of those | 11:14 |
| b1airo | yes | 11:14 |
| ildikov | oneswig: it's still under scheduling based on the teams' requests | 11:14 |
| janders | any stability issues (and specifically MCEs)? | 11:14 |
| b1airo | nice dense boxes - good luck finding a location for 5 asset tags... | 11:14 |
| oneswig | We've done fun things with configuring BIOS and RAID parameters via Ansible on those | 11:14 |
| janders | (MCE = machine check exception) | 11:15 |
| verdurin | We've seen some instability on (non-OpenStack) compute nodes, largely resolved with firmware updates so far. | 11:15 |
| oneswig | Getting memory and PCI issues janders? | 11:15 |
| janders | we are having a nightmare run on about 40 of those, seems a faulty batch | 11:15 |
| janders | they reset with MCE in the SEL and no indication of what the problem is whatsoever. No kernel panics. | 11:16 |
| oneswig | Does it go into the iDRAC event log? | 11:16 |
| janders | yes | 11:16 |
| janders | but usually MCE is accompanied by a hint what the reason was | 11:16 |
| janders | not in this case | 11:16 |
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| b1airo | we had a big headache with vanilla (i.e. not Dell OEM) Mellanox CX-4s in them, but they wouldn't even boot. went away after updating the Mellanox firmware - had to cold boot 60 of them about ~15 times each via iDRAC console to get the initial installs and updates done o_0 | 11:17 |
| oneswig | b1airo: think I remember that time | 11:17 |
| janders | very interesting | 11:17 |
| janders | I will check with the guys if they updated the Mellanox firmware - BIOS/iDRAC I'm sure they did | 11:18 |
| oneswig | Good luck with that janders, always good to hear your reports from the coal face | 11:18 |
| b1airo | iirc it was a PCI training error or something of that nature that kept coming up (before BIOS had even finished initialising) | 11:18 |
| b1airo | try taking all peripherals out and see where that lands you | 11:19 |
| oneswig | b1airo: seen a few of those on C4130 GPU nodes. | 11:19 |
| oneswig | Anyway, let's get on? | 11:19 |
| janders | sorry to hijack the discussion with an off topic question - let's continue - we can touch on this more later time permitting (and if not I will chat to the team and likely email you with more questions) | 11:19 |
| janders | sure! thanks heaps guys | 11:19 |
| oneswig | #topic CFP Deadlines | 11:19 |
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| oneswig | belmoreira: how's preparation going? | 11:19 |
| oneswig | Congratulations on your election btw! | 11:20 |
| oneswig | #link CERN OpenStack days CFP - closes tomorrow https://openstackdayscern.web.cern.ch/present | 11:20 |
| oneswig | Also closing tomorrow is the Open Infra days London - https://www.papercall.io/openinfradaysuk | 11:21 |
| oneswig | belmoreira: I've been trying to reach Chiara but she's on holiday until tomorrow | 11:22 |
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| oneswig | OK, let's get onto edge computing | 11:23 |
| bogdando | \o/ | 11:23 |
| oneswig | #topic Edge computing use cases | 11:23 |
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| ildikov | :) | 11:23 |
| oneswig | Who wants to go first ildikov bogdando? | 11:24 |
| bogdando | ildikov: please go for it | 11:24 |
| ildikov | as a generic highlight here's the Edge WG wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Edge_Computing_Group | 11:24 |
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| ildikov | sorry | 11:24 |
| ildikov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Edge_Computing_Group | 11:24 |
| ildikov | and another wiki for our current use cases: | 11:25 |
| ildikov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Edge_Computing_Group/Use_Cases | 11:25 |
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| ildikov | if you take a look at the second page you can see the first half of the list is Telecom heavy, like 5G and uCPE | 11:25 |
| ildikov | and some of the items on the list are a little futuristic, like drones | 11:25 |
| oneswig | OpenStack powered drones? | 11:26 |
| ildikov | the Edge WG is planning to have Forum sessions as well as meet at the PTG | 11:26 |
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| ildikov | well, the SW on the drone itself might not be OpenStack | 11:26 |
| ildikov | but the small edge site and further layers could as well be OpenStack powered :) | 11:27 |
| b1airo | most important question i can think of, is there a community openstack edge cloud that i can have a Node of at home with a couple of raspberry pis and a liberal sprinkling of old usb keys?! | 11:27 |
| oneswig | ildikov: the broader the use cases the less in common, how do you draw a line on defining what is edge computing? | 11:27 |
| ildikov | we have a bi-weekly call to get further into the details of use cases as well as requirements and serving as a bridge towards the technical community who's doing the implementation work | 11:27 |
| ildikov | we published a whitepaper last year to give that definition: https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/cloud-edge-computing-beyond-the-data-center?lang=en_US | 11:28 |
| oneswig | b1airo: Is Owncloud still going? | 11:28 |
| b1airo | owncloud and nextcloud (fork) last i looked oneswig | 11:29 |
| ildikov | the edge platform angle of OpenStack is StarlingX | 11:29 |
| janders | definitely not a typical use case, but we once built an OpenStack-powered Slurm HTC system running on VMs distributed across most continents, just to prove it's possible. Controllers were in central locations, computes all over the place. Worked fine despite latency in order of 100-300ms | 11:29 |
| ildikov | it's incorporating OpenStack services, Kubernetes, Ceph, etc to provide an edge platform that can be as small as one node | 11:30 |
| ildikov | janders: that's a good info | 11:30 |
| ildikov | the WG is also working on reference architectures: | 11:31 |
| ildikov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Edge_Computing_Group/Edge_Reference_Architectures | 11:31 |
| oneswig | ildikov: in the edge model, how is the decentralised service kept coherent? User management, storage and so on. | 11:31 |
| ildikov | where we have the centralized model which of course doesn't work for all use cases | 11:31 |
| ildikov | we are looking into enhancing federation in Keystone | 11:32 |
| ildikov | StarlingX has a Distributed Cloud service which provides synchronization | 11:32 |
| ildikov | so kind of trying to explore multiple ways of providing a solution as there's no one size fits all model here | 11:33 |
| b1airo | it's interesting to see that first diagram on the reference architectures wiki page - proximity (in terms of latency) to the end-user/consumer is always how i'd looked at Edge | 11:33 |
| janders | are there any facilities there that would help with mapping filesystem-level ownerships in a federated context? | 11:33 |
| oneswig | ildikov: I guess with the "edge" terminology, there's always assumed to be a center. It's never a peer-to-peer decentralised model? | 11:34 |
| janders | (how would UID:GUID from site X map to UID:GUID on site Y while the two have some sort of federation going) | 11:34 |
| ildikov | janders: that's a good question, we didn't get down to that level of detail at least with the working group | 11:34 |
| ildikov | janders: there might be an answer in the StarlingX community | 11:35 |
| b1airo | oneswig: i'd always thought the centre could be relative to the user/consumer | 11:35 |
| ildikov | oneswig: I would say yes based on what I've heard so far | 11:35 |
| b1airo | maybe we need a OpenStack DHT project oneswig ? | 11:36 |
| ildikov | I assume that partially comes from the assumption that the things we are currently talking about are running on an operator network at the end of the day | 11:37 |
| ildikov | I wonder if there's any use case you have that's not on our wiki/radar yet? | 11:37 |
| ildikov | which could also give us new ideas on architecture and requirements | 11:37 |
| oneswig | As janders mentions, some kind of federated management of POSIX UID&GID is something that comes up a lot in the scientific space. | 11:37 |
| oneswig | I think the edge model follows the "totoro" analogy of having roles for a "big totoro" and a "little totoro" | 11:39 |
| ildikov | is there some material or description to look at about that? | 11:39 |
| bogdando | I have a 5 minutes left before to eject, may I chime in with a short statement please? | 11:39 |
| ildikov | bogdando: sure | 11:39 |
| bogdando | So indeed some of the edge cases depend on the enhanced autonomy (de-centralized models) and the multiple-control planes requirement, like involving sophisticated data replication and conflicts resolving techniques. Not only limited to keystone federation or glance caching, basically. | 11:39 |
| bogdando | I wanted to ask you'all folks to chime in for that research request to do the best to fill that gap and ideally come up with some new/adopted casual consistent database or KVS solution for OpenStack in general (and not only) and not only for the StarlingX scope, to cover such cases. And the link I posted is just a draft for a position paper, which only states the challenges but proposes not much yet :) | 11:39 |
| bogdando | or at least do the better problems statement/positioning job than I attempted ;) | 11:40 |
| bogdando | that's it from my side | 11:41 |
| oneswig | bogdando: I saw a good presentation yesterday on DynaFed, which is a project from the high-energy physics area for creating multi-site data federations and presenting a more user-friendly interface than (eg) S3 | 11:41 |
| bogdando | oneswig: thank you for info, that's interesting to look into | 11:42 |
| oneswig | I will ask if I can share the slides from yesterday. | 11:42 |
| oneswig | Might be interesting. | 11:42 |
| bogdando | yes please | 11:42 |
| ildikov | +1 | 11:42 |
| bogdando | thank you for getting my message folks | 11:42 |
| bogdando | gtg now | 11:42 |
| priteau | bogdando: Are you aware of the research work done by the Discovery project? | 11:42 |
| priteau | #link http://beyondtheclouds.github.io/ | 11:42 |
| bogdando | not really, will gladly accept all links ) | 11:42 |
| priteau | They've done research on replacing the SQL database by KV databases like Redis | 11:43 |
| priteau | They're also using Cockroach DB | 11:43 |
| oneswig | Was this the work presented by Thierry Carrez and co at (IIRC) Austin? | 11:43 |
| oneswig | Grid5000? | 11:43 |
| priteau | This work was lead by Adrien Lebre | 11:44 |
| priteau | Using Grid'5000 for the experiments, so maybe it was | 11:44 |
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| priteau | bogdando: If you don't know Adrien I will get you in touch with him :-) | 11:45 |
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| ildikov | I'm also happy to put further pointers on the Edge WG wiki | 11:46 |
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| ildikov | to make sure people find all the good and interesting info | 11:46 |
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| b1airo | ildikov: a use-case that might not be present there could be around applying infrastructure as code to scientific instruments. typically things like microscopes come with vendor supplied or specified workstations that are only good enough for basic data collection... having a cloud in the closet next door with some special connectivity to the instrument stack would open up some interesting possibilities | 11:47 |
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| ildikov | I'm happy to put up federated management of POSIX UID&GID as a topic for one of the upcoming meetings as well to see if others have some input for that | 11:47 |
| ildikov | b1airo: yeah, I have not heard this one yet | 11:48 |
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| ildikov | b1airo: would be a good candidate to draft on the wiki if you agree | 11:49 |
| janders | that would be great! | 11:49 |
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| b1airo | sure | 11:49 |
| ildikov | b1airo: would you take an action point to add some details to the use cases wiki I linked above? | 11:50 |
| b1airo | sure | 11:50 |
| ildikov | b1airo: thank you :) | 11:50 |
| oneswig | What are the changes you are looking to make for federated authentication? | 11:51 |
| ildikov | oneswig: we have some activities aroun x509 authentication to fix things up | 11:52 |
| ildikov | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/edge-computing/2019-January/000520.html | 11:52 |
| ildikov | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bugs?field.tag=x509 | 11:53 |
| oneswig | Crikey... X509 | 11:53 |
| ildikov | basically make sure that code path works with the latest features like auto-provisioning | 11:53 |
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| b1airo | ildikov: heard of SciTokens yet...? | 11:54 |
| ildikov | it came out from a discussion around an IDP master with shadow users scenario | 11:54 |
| ildikov | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Keystone_edge_architectures#Identity_Provider_.28IdP.29_Master_with_shadow_users | 11:54 |
| ildikov | b1airo: I personally did not, but I'm also not an expert in this area | 11:54 |
| oneswig | Auto-provisioning in this case means service accounts and automated actions on behalf of users? | 11:54 |
| oneswig | Does this also relate to limitations using trusts (ie, Heat) for shadow users? | 11:55 |
| ildikov | yes and I don't know :) | 11:56 |
| oneswig | I guess application credentials also come in here. It would be important to be able to use them in this scenario, and I am not sure that it works. | 11:56 |
| ildikov | that's a separate layer, so we didn't look into that, not directly at least | 11:57 |
| oneswig | Ah, we are nearly at time - final comments on this? | 11:57 |
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| ildikov | would be good to think of next steps | 11:57 |
| ildikov | like what relevant challenges this group has that we could help with | 11:58 |
| oneswig | ildikov: see you in the forum for that one, I guess | 11:58 |
| ildikov | or solutions to use | 11:58 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 11:58 |
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| ildikov | oneswig: Forum and PTG would be a good place to catch up! | 11:58 |
| oneswig | final comments anyone? | 11:58 |
| priteau | Very briefly before we finish | 11:58 |
| janders | mgoddard: one of my team members was looking at your ansible UFM work (very cool!) | 11:58 |
| ildikov | and we also have weekly calls for those who're interested in this stuff :) | 11:59 |
| janders | quick question: can your role do HA-UFM? | 11:59 |
| b1airo | i'm keen to talk to anyone who has used Rucio, dCache, or friends to proxy user access to HSM tape systems...? | 11:59 |
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| priteau | There is some interest from a joint Red Hat - MASS Open Cloud about using Blazar and Ironic: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-February/002671.html | 11:59 |
| priteau | There's some work required to Blazar to make it compatible with Ironic, I wonder if anyone else here would be interested by this use case? | 11:59 |
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| mgoddard | janders: nice. It doesn't support HA right now. It's a bit weird in that it runs systemd & multiple services in a container | 11:59 |
| janders | ok! thank you | 12:00 |
| janders | we might just deploy it on a bare metal os - but when we get back to containers and ha - I will get in touch | 12:00 |
| janders | thank you all | 12:00 |
| mgoddard | janders: picking apart the UFM init scripts into individual containers would have been challenging | 12:00 |
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| janders | yeah UFM is a complex beast.. | 12:00 |
| mgoddard | janders: sure, get in touch | 12:00 |
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| b1airo | priteau: yes, i know several folks who would be interested in reservations for bare-metal nodes. but i thought that's what Chameleon already did...? | 12:01 |
| oneswig | priteau: Ironic + Blazar does sound generally useful. | 12:01 |
| priteau | b1airo: it does but with patches to Nova, so not easy to replicate | 12:01 |
| janders | I'd be interested, too! :) | 12:01 |
| priteau | And not easy to maintain | 12:01 |
| oneswig | How can we follow up if we form a group of interested people? | 12:01 |
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| priteau | Be willing to test some early code, or even join in to the coding ;-) | 12:02 |
| oneswig | We are over time - priteau janders b1airo can we follow up on this offline? | 12:02 |
| priteau | Sure | 12:03 |
| janders | sure | 12:03 |
| b1airo | no prob | 12:03 |
| oneswig | OK, thanks all, until next time | 12:03 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 27 12:03:27 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-02-27-11.00.html | 12:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-02-27-11.00.txt | 12:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2019/scientific_sig.2019-02-27-11.00.log.html | 12:03 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_l3 | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 27 14:01:28 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_l3' | 14:01 |
| davidsha | o/ | 14:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:01 |
| liuyulong | hi | 14:02 |
| igordc | hi | 14:02 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:02 |
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| mlavalle | #chair liuyulong, haleyb | 14:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: haleyb liuyulong mlavalle | 14:03 |
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| mlavalle | #topic Announcements | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:03 | |
| mlavalle | Our Stein-3 milestone is next week | 14:04 |
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| mlavalle | Yesterday we reviewed our blueprints for the milestone | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | and overall we are in good shape | 14:05 |
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| mlavalle | Today is the last day to register at early bird rate to the Summit / PTG in Denver on May. Your promotion codes as contributors are only good until tonight, 23:59 US West coast time | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | Hoping to see all of you there :-) | 14:06 |
| mlavalle | Any other announcements? | 14:07 |
| * haleyb will not be going this time, trip conflict | 14:07 | |
| * mlavalle and slaweq will drink haleyb's beers | 14:07 | |
| slaweq | no problem for me :D | 14:08 |
| haleyb | enjoy them! :) | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | #topic Bugs | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:08 | |
| mlavalle | First in the list is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1816698 | 14:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1816698 in neutron "DVR-HA: Removing a router from an agent, does not clear the namespaces on the agent" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | Swami has proposed a patch for it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/638566/ | 14:09 |
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| mlavalle | and haleyb has been reviewing it. any comments? | 14:10 |
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| mlavalle | well I encourage the team to look at the patch | 14:12 |
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| haleyb | i'll review again | 14:12 |
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| * mlavalle just rechecked it | 14:12 | |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1795870 | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1795870 in neutron "Trunk scenario test test_trunk_subport_lifecycle fails from time to time" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel) | 14:13 |
| mlavalle | For this one I have a couple of patches under review | 14:14 |
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| mlavalle | For the second one I obviusly did something wrong: https://review.openstack.org/639375 | 14:14 |
| mlavalle | ahh Iknow waht it was | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | forgot to update requirements | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | I'll push another revision soon | 14:15 |
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| mlavalle | haleyb: this patch is linked with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636710 | 14:16 |
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| mlavalle | where the rootwrap fileter is | 14:16 |
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| mlavalle | I wanted the updating of the process command to be its own patch | 14:16 |
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| mlavalle | any comments? | 14:17 |
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| mlavalle | ok, moving on | 14:18 |
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| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1789434 | 14:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1789434 in neutron "neutron_tempest_plugin.scenario.test_migration.NetworkMigrationFromHA failing 100% times" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Manjeet Singh Bhatia (manjeet-s-bhatia) | 14:18 |
| mlavalle | Should this be a duplicate of the previous bug, slaweq? | 14:19 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: yes, I think so | 14:19 |
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| mlavalle | ok, I'll mark it duplicate | 14:19 |
| slaweq | I was testing this locally with Your patches to rootwrap filters and it worked | 14:19 |
| slaweq | at least for me | 14:19 |
| slaweq | so I hope it will be fixed with Your patch | 14:20 |
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| mlavalle | Finally https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1774459 | 14:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1774459 in neutron "Update permanent ARP entries for allowed_address_pair IPs in DVR Routers" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | no progress on this one since early January | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | I'll send swami an email at the end of the meeting to see what's his plan, if any | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | Any other bugs we should discuss today? | 14:22 |
| liuyulong | I have | 14:22 |
| slaweq | I have one too | 14:22 |
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| slaweq | but go on liuyulong :) | 14:22 |
| liuyulong | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1811352 | 14:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1811352 in neutron "[RFE] Include neutron CLI floatingip port-forwarding support" [Wishlist,New] | 14:22 |
| liuyulong | Seems no one now takes this one | 14:23 |
| liuyulong | So, I will submit our local implement for this. | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | Great! | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | Thanks! | 14:24 |
| liuyulong | mlavalle, we have openflow dvr topic during this meeting? | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | liuyulong: I think so | 14:24 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: go ahead | 14:25 |
| liuyulong | OK, so I will remain my next bug during that topic. | 14:25 |
| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1817696 | 14:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1817696 in tempest "Network tests from api.network.admin.test_l3_agent_scheduler may fail in multimode environment" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 14:25 |
| slaweq | it's tempest bug | 14:25 |
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| slaweq | but related stictly to l3 scheduler tests | 14:25 |
| slaweq | so basically problem is that in multinode scenario when there is more than one L3 agent, test can fail if router is not HA and it tries to add it to other L3 agent than it is already added | 14:26 |
| slaweq | so I changed this test a bit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639316/ | 14:26 |
| slaweq | it worked for me and in gate so far | 14:26 |
| slaweq | but I wanted to ask You as L3 experts | 14:26 |
| slaweq | is it possible that when I remove router from L3 agent it will be automatically scheduled on some agent? | 14:27 |
| slaweq | even if there will be no any other action related to this router, like adding interface or something like that | 14:27 |
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| slaweq | because if it may happen then this proposed solution may be wrong too :/ | 14:27 |
| slaweq | so please review it and tell me in comments if that solution makes sense or not :) | 14:28 |
| slaweq | that's all from me | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | ok, will do. Thanks for fixing this | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | but at first glance looks like a sensible approach | 14:29 |
| slaweq | thx mlavalle | 14:29 |
| mlavalle | #topic Openflow DVR | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Openflow DVR (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:30 | |
| mlavalle | igordc, xubozhang: any uopdates this week? | 14:30 |
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| xubozhang | yes, igor is doing refactoring of l3 agent | 14:31 |
| xubozhang | i am working on unit tests | 14:31 |
| igordc | I've propsoed a new wip refactor here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639605/ | 14:32 |
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| igordc | it looks scary but it's actually not as scary as the original one | 14:32 |
| igordc | most of the scariness stems from renaming RouterInfo to LinuxRouterInfo.. I'm open to keeping the name and renaming its parent to BaseRouterInfo, per Yang Youseok's patch | 14:33 |
| igordc | (which btw fits very well with the refactor too, I'm talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/620349/) | 14:34 |
| liuyulong | Wow..any chance you can split to small patch sets? | 14:34 |
| igordc | liuyulong, it's actually a very difficult one to do so due to its nature | 14:35 |
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| igordc | liuyulong, it's creating a lot of noise due to the refactored stuff | 14:35 |
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| davidsha | liuyulong: It seems to be a lot of small changes with 1 or 2 big files. | 14:35 |
| igordc | but I'll do my best | 14:35 |
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| mlavalle | thanks for the hard work igordc | 14:36 |
| igordc | the basic idea there is that we're no longer dual-purposing RouterInfo like in the original refactor and thus it becomes simpler (for example, no more classmethod workarounds).. I am introducing the Backend class | 14:36 |
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| mlavalle | I will take a look at the patch. My first reaction, though, is that given the size of the change and how close we are to end of Stein, this is likely to slip to Train | 14:38 |
| igordc | having a separation between RouterInfo and Backend will also fit well with having config options agent_mode and agent_backend, respectively | 14:38 |
| mlavalle | and the fact that it is still wip | 14:38 |
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| igordc | mlavalle, right, I expect it to be fully ready by the deadline but obviously additional time is needed to get it well reviewed | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | igordc: thanks | 14:39 |
| igordc | mlavalle, and that's also the case of the overall openflow dvr | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | igordc: yeap, understood | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | Thanks very much for pushing on this :-) | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | liuyulong: you wanted to comment on a bug.... | 14:41 |
| liuyulong | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1817872 | 14:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1817872 in neutron "[RFE] neutron resource health check" [Undecided,New] | 14:41 |
| liuyulong | Today, I filed this RFE which aim to check resource status, something related to the T cycle community goal "Service-side health checks". | 14:42 |
| liuyulong | So I wonder if you guys could consider add some related utils function for this. | 14:42 |
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| mlavalle | IMO, it would probably be easier if you add a dependent patch to their series with the utility functions you want | 14:44 |
| liuyulong | IMO, the feature authors have full knowledge to understand global workflow of openflow dvr. | 14:44 |
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| mlavalle | well, I'll let them speak for themselves | 14:45 |
| liuyulong | Cloud users, especially operators, may have pain on trouble shooting of such flow based feature. | 14:47 |
| igordc | liuyulong, "openflow dvr" as in what xubozhang/me are proposing? | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | I see your point | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | igordc: yes | 14:47 |
| liuyulong | Yes | 14:47 |
| igordc | this wouldn't be the only thing missing in the openflow dvr implementation | 14:48 |
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| igordc | it's first version, that we want to get merged, won't support some other things that linux dvr does | 14:48 |
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| igordc | but still definitely achievable, I'll have to read about this RFE more carefully after a coffee | 14:49 |
| mlavalle | igordc: thanks | 14:50 |
| liuyulong | Yes, agree, I do not mean to block such amazing feature, but just want to give cloud users better experience. | 14:50 |
| mlavalle | liuyulong: since you are going to review their patches, maybe you can leve some hints in comments as to where you see help is needed | 14:50 |
| igordc | liuyulong, openflow dvr will be opt-in though | 14:51 |
| liuyulong | mlavalle, I will, I can't wait to experience such function. | 14:51 |
| liuyulong | igordc, it is, but if you want such feature to be widely used, then such status-check will be a pluses | 14:52 |
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| xubozhang | yulong, we will make sure the existing l3 functionality still works, of-dvr is an opt-in | 14:53 |
| haleyb | just being devil's advocate, we should also remember OVN is here already too, and there is some overlap there with pure flow-based DVR | 14:53 |
| * haleyb is assuming people know about OVN | 14:54 | |
| mlavalle | LOL, we do | 14:55 |
| liuyulong | haleyb, you rock | 14:55 |
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| mlavalle | ok, let's move on | 14:55 |
| haleyb | forgot the :) | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | #topic On demand agenda | 14:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "On demand agenda (Meeting topic: neutron_l3)" | 14:55 | |
| mlavalle | anything else we should discuss today? | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | ok thanks for attending | 14:56 |
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| davidsha | Thanks! | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | enjoy the rest of your week | 14:56 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 14:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 27 14:56:55 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2019/neutron_l3.2019-02-27-14.01.html | 14:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2019/neutron_l3.2019-02-27-14.01.txt | 14:57 |
| slaweq | thx | 14:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_l3/2019/neutron_l3.2019-02-27-14.01.log.html | 14:57 |
| slaweq | o/ | 14:57 |
| liuyulong | Thanks mlavalle | 14:57 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 27 16:00:44 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| whoami-rajat | Hi | 16:01 |
| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | courtesy ping: jungleboyj diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva ganso patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_ whoami-rajat yikun rosmaita enriquetaso hemna _hemna | 16:01 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ＼(-_- ) | 16:01 |
| rosmaita | o/ | 16:01 |
| xyang | hi | 16:01 |
| yikun | o/ | 16:01 |
| erlon | hola! | 16:01 |
| walshh_ | hi | 16:01 |
| woojay | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Agenda: | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-stein-meetings | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Looks like we have a quorum. So, lets get started | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| jungleboyj | So, reminder that Milestone 3 is coming up next week. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://releases.openstack.org/stein/schedule.html | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Non-Client Libraries will be released next week. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/os-brick+status:open | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Is there anything critical in there that needs review? | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | Do we want to try to get Avishay's change in? | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | It seems a little risky this late in the cycle, but wanted to see what others thought. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Need geguileo and hemna to weigh in there. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:05 |
| enriquetaso | o/ | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Also wasn't sure about sahid's patch. | 16:05 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I am also cautious of the risks | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, that one isn't clear to me. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Avishay's might be a good one, but it would probably be safer to wait until Train opens so we have the whole cycle to watch for unintended side effects and have time to revert or fix if needed. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ That is my feeling as well. | 16:07 |
| geguileo | one silly question, which CI jobs are testing os-brick master? | 16:07 |
| erlon | smcginnis, +1 | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | The fix could be backported if necessary. Right? | 16:08 |
| geguileo | because if most of them aren't, then we might as well review and merge it | 16:08 |
| erlon | geguileo, so we can react at the time the change breaks? | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: There are jobs on the os-brick repo that run tempest with the latest os-brick from source. Is that what you mean? | 16:08 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: no, I meant what Cinder CI jobs run with os-brick master | 16:09 |
| erlon | we have had situations in the past that our CI broke after os-brick landed on pip | 16:09 |
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| geguileo | because if we don't have many, then the only chance of detecting if things break with os-brick is to merge the patch and release os-brick | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | We don't have a "*-tips" job like some other projects have been doing. But we do have Cinder tests running against os-brick patches. | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: Yeah, that is a concern. But kind of why I would like to wait for train so there's not a last minute firedrill getting Stein out. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:10 |
| erlon | smcginnis, those tips jobs suppose to run on os-brick/master? | 16:10 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: but even if we merge it at the begining of train, it won't get tested in Cinder until we release os-brick in Train, right? | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | erlon: From the ones I've seen, on other repos they run tempest or some subset of tests, but pull certain dependencies from source rather than latest releases. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Right, but we can do that at any point in Train. And even if we wait until Train-1, that gives us ~4 months to identify problems versus ~4 weeks. | 16:12 |
| erlon | smcginnis, hmm, that's what we are doing for os-brick. I think that Cinder should have a few jobs doing that too | 16:12 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: that's true | 16:12 |
| erlon | LIBS_FROM_GIT=os-brick | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Oh right. I think we've had this discussion before. :) | 16:12 |
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| geguileo | erlon: that's not the only change necessary | 16:13 |
| geguileo | because CI's are running with a flag to prevent cloning | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | And as mentioned, we can always backport this once we are comfortable that it doesn't cause issues. | 16:13 |
| erlon | geguileo, why not? | 16:13 |
| geguileo | because CI's are running with a flag to prevent cloning | 16:13 |
| geguileo | you'll need it to be added to PROJECTS | 16:13 |
| geguileo | at least that's what I'm having to do for cinderlib | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | That matches what whoami-rajat and I saw with an osc -tips job. | 16:14 |
| geguileo | oh, wait... maybe for os-brick is different and that's enough | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | So, I am going to make the safe call that we don't merge this right now and then we can backport after it has had greater runtime. | 16:14 |
| geguileo | anyway, I think we should change it so that Cinder jobs always run with os-brick master | 16:14 |
| erlon | geguileo, hmm, I think it works for us becouse we are on zuulv2 | 16:14 |
| erlon | http://13.56.179.158/logs/35/639635/1/upstream-solidfire-check/cinder-solidfire-iSCSI/8174736/logs/local.conf.txt.gz | 16:14 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | Given that avishay isn't here arguing for it. :-) | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:15 |
| erlon | geguileo, +1 | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Anything else on os-brick? | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | geguileo, hemna: You're eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/638639/ might be good, but I don't think that's a release critical thing either. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | *your | 16:16 |
| geguileo | erlon: I think I was mistaken, iirc the code adds LIBS_FROM_GIT to PROJECTS at some point | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, that one needs to be looked at too. Also, not totally clear exactly what the problem being fixed is. | 16:17 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I'll have a look | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 16:17 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: but I don't like the idea of using iscsi_id again | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Yeah | 16:17 |
| geguileo | that broke like crazy in my fault injection tets | 16:17 |
| geguileo | tests | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Also want to note that python-cinderclient release is coming up the week after next. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | I didn't see much that needed attention there, but wanted to make everyone aware. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Finally, just a note that I have requested space for a Project Update and an On-Boarding session at the Summit. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | So, the usual requests there. | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | That is all I had for announcements. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Need Topics for the Denver Forum | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Need Topics for the Denver Forum (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:21 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-denver-forum-brainstorming | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | Forum session selection is coming up soon I think, right? | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Yes. I believe I need to submit the topics in the next week. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | Let me see if I can find that note. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, need to submit them by 3/8 | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | I just added the Driver Capability Reporting topic. | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | Does anyone have other ideas that could use User/Operator input? | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Will make one more call next week and then submit what we have. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | Next topic | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | #New Patches with CGs Support | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | #topic New Patches with CGs Support | 16:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Patches with CGs Support (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:27 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/574119/ | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: | 16:27 |
| e0ne | I don't remember what was our decision on this topic | 16:27 |
| e0ne | but I don't understand why do we need implement new feature for deprecated API | 16:28 |
| eharney | the question is CGs vs generic groups? | 16:28 |
| e0ne | eharney: that patch add CGs support without generic groups support | 16:28 |
| erlon | e0ne, they might be trying to implement that in a old old OS version | 16:29 |
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| erlon | it should be easy to add generic groups support on that | 16:29 |
| eharney | what does a driver have to actually do to support generic groups? | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, we said CGs are dead and only work on generic volume groups with consistency should be done. | 16:30 |
| eharney | have to actually do* | 16:30 |
| e0ne | but we're going to remove CGs at all | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Right. We need to go forward | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | I thought we had rerouted CG APIs to call the volume group code. | 16:30 |
| eharney | smcginnis: i think this is CGs via generic groups if i'm reading the code right.. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That sounds familiar. | 16:30 |
| e0ne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/574119/10/cinder/volume/drivers/dell_emc/unity/driver.py - line #59 | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | eharney: OK, haven't really looked. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | I wonder if xyang is around and remembers. :) | 16:31 |
| eharney | e0ne: so aren't generic groups just a manager operation anyway? | 16:31 |
| e0ne | eharney: it has a bit different API | 16:32 |
| erlon | eharney, usually just wrap the CG functions: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/drivers/solidfire.py#L1732 | 16:32 |
| eharney | the manager catches NotImplementError and calls _create_group_generic.. | 16:32 |
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| erlon | jgriffith, always making reading code fun :) | 16:33 |
| eharney | i'm not a cg expert, but it looks at a glance like the driver is doing the right thing | 16:34 |
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| e0ne | it just confused me that driver adds CGs support | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, I miss reading jgriffith s code. | 16:34 |
| eharney | it adds support for create_group() | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | Delightfully passive agressive. | 16:35 |
| eharney | not create_consistencygroup() | 16:35 |
| erlon | eharney, yes, it its | 16:35 |
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| e0ne | eharney: also, it uses 'skip_if_not_cg' decorator | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, so it looks like it is doing the right thing. | 16:35 |
| eharney | e0ne: right, because if it's not a CG, the driver doesn't have anything to do... | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | They have the driver history explaining it that way too. | 16:36 |
| erlon | though they should handle cases where the group being created is not 'consistent' | 16:36 |
| eharney | erlon: they are handled | 16:36 |
| erlon | eharney, ow, in the decorator, missed that | 16:37 |
| e0ne | ok, looks like the patch is valid | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: Good to move on then? | 16:38 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: yes, thanks | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Welcome. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | #topic release from stable/pike-> make it 11.2.0 ? | 16:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release from stable/pike-> make it 11.2.0 ? (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:38 | |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: | 16:38 |
| rosmaita | hello | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:38 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ＼( ･_･) | 16:38 |
| rosmaita | we are about 65 or so commits behind on stable/pike cinder release | 16:39 |
| rosmaita | some stuff has crept in, tony wants to make it 11.2.0 instead of 11.1.x | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Yikes. That was a lot of commits. | 16:39 |
| rosmaita | looks like all the questionable changes (new config opts, mainly) have release notes already | 16:39 |
| * jungleboyj is glad that rosmaita it helping us keep up with that. | 16:39 | |
| rosmaita | so, need some stable cores to take a quick look and let me know whether we want to revert some stuff, or jsut release as 11.2.0 | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: Why do those require a version bump like that if they aren't braking existing functionality? | 16:40 |
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| * rosmaita thinking | 16:41 | |
| smcginnis | We are adding config options that sometime change behavior. Plus there were some requirements changes that maybe shouldn't have been allowed. | 16:41 |
| rosmaita | i also think maybe 2 opts changed default values? | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Yeah | 16:41 |
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| rosmaita | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/636401/ | 16:41 |
| rosmaita | see tony's comment at the bottom | 16:41 |
| eharney | one driver started requiring "fallocate" which is sort of a requirements change | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, I just read that. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Well, I think it would be a bigger mess to try and revert things. | 16:42 |
| rosmaita | i agree! | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | I am ok with bumping to 11.2.0 | 16:42 |
| eharney | there's no reason to revert any of this that i see, just ship it as 11.2.0 | 16:42 |
| rosmaita | ok, i will update the release patch | 16:43 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: Thank you. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | We bump the major release with each development cycle so it doesn't really impact anything. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | So, lets move on. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | And that will better communicate to downstream consumers that there are more than just simple bugfixes included so they should pay attention to release notes. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Cinderlib status update | 16:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinderlib status update (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:45 | |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | rosmaita: Commit message | 16:45 |
| geguileo | quick update on cinderlib | 16:45 |
| rosmaita | :) | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:45 |
| geguileo | we now have the cinderlib project as openstack/cinderlib | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | We are back to regular updates from geguileo :-) | 16:45 |
| geguileo | and governance added it under the Cinder team | 16:45 |
| geguileo | there is a patch ready for review to add CI jobs | 16:46 |
| geguileo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/638442/ | 16:46 |
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| geguileo | ananother to add it to devstack | 16:46 |
| geguileo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/638392/ | 16:46 |
| whoami-rajat | the patchsets show a lot of struggle. | 16:46 |
| geguileo | whoami-rajat: yeah, the ceph job was a pita | 16:47 |
| geguileo | because it required the ceph-common library | 16:47 |
| geguileo | that install pythong-six from rpm | 16:47 |
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| geguileo | but the gate installs tox from pypi, which bring six from pypi | 16:47 |
| * smcginnis is happy not to be the only one that typos pythong | 16:47 | |
| geguileo | rofl | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | pythong is my favorite version of python | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:48 |
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| geguileo | and the system python site-package got into a weird state | 16:48 |
| geguileo | there's also the patch for devstack-gate, but that one won't pass for the time being | 16:48 |
| geguileo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639614/ | 16:48 |
| geguileo | and we have the first real patch for cinderlib, by courtesy of hemna !!!! | 16:49 |
| hemna | :P | 16:49 |
| whoami-rajat | so the struggle was real. glad it finally passed. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Yay! Good to have hemna back! | 16:49 |
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| hemna | :) it's good to be back | 16:49 |
| geguileo | once the devstack code merges I'll add cinderlib functional tests to Cinder LVM and Ceph jobs as well | 16:49 |
| * jungleboyj waves goodbye to the struggle bus | 16:49 | |
| geguileo | that's the update | 16:50 |
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| geguileo | oh, and once the CI jobs are merged | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Sounds good. Thank you for being patient and working to move this to its own project. | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | So, the final topic. | 16:51 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: thank you all for steering this into the right direction | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Feature Freeze Doubts | 16:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Feature Freeze Doubts (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:51 | |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: | 16:51 |
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| jungleboyj | So, untyped volume spec should go into Train. | 16:52 |
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| jungleboyj | Too late for that to go into Stein. | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | We should also take a look and see if there are other Specs that merged but don't have associated code merged. | 16:52 |
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| jungleboyj | As for the api-ref automation .... | 16:53 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: ok. The code also won't be ready by the freeze time so good for me :D Thanks | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | Hmmm, | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | I think those are still ok to merge until RC unless anyone disagrees. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:54 |
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| yikun | +1 | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | yikun: Staying up late again I see. :) | 16:54 |
| yikun | :) | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | 😴 | 16:55 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: so can still work on the api-ref responses after freeze ? right? | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | Correct. Have a few more weeks until we hit the RC point. | 16:55 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: ok. Thanks for the clarifying my doubts. :) | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: No problem. | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | whoami-rajat: Happy to help new people learn the process. | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | It is a good thing. | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:57 | |
| jungleboyj | Anything else we need to talk about or can we end on time for once? :-) | 16:57 |
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| eharney | i found that a bunch of CI jobs are running too many tempest scenarios, trying to get those nice and cleaned up | 16:58 |
| eharney | should improve failure rate for ceph and lio-barbican | 16:58 |
| eharney | just an fyi | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: Nice. Would like to see those failing less often! | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | Lets wrap up then. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | One last reminder to please give input to the Forum planning. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you for taking time to attend the meeting and to work on Cinder | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Have a great week everyone. | 16:59 |
| whoami-rajat | jungleboyj: Thanks! | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:59 | |
| smcginnis | eharney: ++ | 16:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 27 16:59:52 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-02-27-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-02-27-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2019/cinder.2019-02-27-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| fungi | based on discussion in #storyboard we'll probably skip the formal meeting today but are happy to discuss stuff of interest in #storyboard if anyone wants | 19:15 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 27 21:01:09 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| clayg | aka "party time" | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:01 |
| timburke | \o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:01 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| clayg | 🕺 | 21:01 |
| notmyname | whoa. fancy emoji there | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:02 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:02 |
| notmyname | welcome | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic general stuff | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "general stuff (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| notmyname | (1) I hope everyone has booked (or is in the process of booking) summit/ptg details | 21:02 |
| notmyname | the ptg is thursday, friday, and saturday. summit is monday, tuesday, and wednesday | 21:03 |
| kota_ | yup | 21:03 |
| notmyname | from talking to people, it seems that most people are going to arrive some time on wednesday and fly home on sunday | 21:03 |
| clayg | ^ that's me | 21:03 |
| clayg | but only cause I want to be like "most people" | 21:03 |
| notmyname | I'll be arriving sunday and leaving on saturday | 21:04 |
| * notmyname is different | 21:04 | |
| * mattoliverau is planning on arriving on Friday the week before because I'll mentor at OUI | 21:04 | |
| notmyname | nice! | 21:04 |
| * kota_ is same with notmyname | 21:04 | |
| notmyname | it's quite fun to see you involved in that mattoliverau :-) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | rledisez: do you know yet when you/alex/ovh will be there? | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | thanks, it is quite fun, I get to be loud and try not to scare new contributors off :P | 21:05 |
| rledisez | we'll probably do the full week, sunday to sunday | 21:05 |
| notmyname | kk | 21:05 |
| timburke | clayg, you are not like most people. sorry. but i can state that with great confidence :P | 21:05 |
| timburke | also, i see it as a good thing :-) | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:05 |
| notmyname | (2) next week there's an openstack deadline for client library releases | 21:06 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: you are super engaging - i bet everyone that sees how excited you about Swift will want to join in! | 21:06 |
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| * clayg 🤗 @timburke | 21:07 | |
| notmyname | I've been doing the authors/changelog on swiftclient. timburke and I need to figure out one last issue, then that can land, and I'll work on the 3.6.1 tag request | 21:07 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639777/2 should land so that the current cycle will have historic py37 coverage | 21:07 |
| patchbot | patch 639777 - python-swiftclient - Add py37 check/gate jobs; add py37 to default tox ... - 2 patch sets | 21:07 |
| notmyname | I'm just waiting on zuul for that one | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | :) Well I'm mentoring a new Swift contrib now. Helping him get set up with an SAIO. He found me himself via the First Contact Sig page.. so it actually works. | 21:07 |
| notmyname | that's great! | 21:08 |
| notmyname | #topic losf | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "losf (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:08 | |
| notmyname | rledisez: kota_: how's losf feature branch this week? I see that there have been some updates | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | I'll get him to join the IRC channel and introduce him, once he's got it all working. He's based in India. | 21:08 |
| notmyname | specifically, I'm interested in what came up about eventlet and grpc versions | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | oh yeah, do tell | 21:09 |
| kota_ | the first draft version landed to losf branch. | 21:09 |
| kota_ | we had a problem with grpc version but Alex made sure the newer version was fixed so we turned to use the newer version that fits with UPPER constraint with openstack's one | 21:10 |
| notmyname | meaning that new eventlet works with grpc? or new grpc works better? what changed? | 21:10 |
| kota_ | 1 sec | 21:10 |
| kota_ | the blocker seems like a temporary fix, Alex says. | 21:11 |
| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639365/ | 21:11 |
| patchbot | patch 639365 - swift (feature/losf) - Change grpcio version in requirements.txt to >=1.11.0 - 1 patch set | 21:11 |
| kota_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639365/ | 21:11 |
| patchbot | patch 639365 - swift (feature/losf) - Change grpcio version in requirements.txt to >=1.11.0 - 1 patch set | 21:11 |
| kota_ | a75712a71f01c06d7e5868a75cb62b26d775e5df at grpcio has started to work with eventlet. | 21:12 |
| kota_ | (wait a bit making a link...) | 21:12 |
| kota_ | #link https://github.com/grpc/grpc/commit/a75712a71f01c06d7e5868a75cb62b26d775e5df | 21:13 |
| clayg | time.sleep(5.1) !!! brilliant | 21:14 |
| kota_ | yup. | 21:14 |
| clayg | the other links were like just... random probetests + gate slowness madness | 21:14 |
| kota_ | anyway, my next step is packaging and making a gate that are using losf backend. | 21:14 |
| notmyname | that's a great step! having a lsof gate job is a huge | 21:15 |
| clayg | kota_: 🤯 | 21:15 |
| clayg | that is awesome! | 21:15 |
| kota_ | to do that, we can make sure whether it works or not in the gate | 21:15 |
| clayg | 🤗 | 21:15 |
| kota_ | the remaining works are organized at #link https://trello.com/b/xhNxrcLX/losf | 21:15 |
| clayg | COOL! | 21:15 |
| kota_ | and Alex is also working to add/work the items. | 21:16 |
| notmyname | great work | 21:16 |
| notmyname | thanks for the update | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ( don't know if the bot picks up directives from the middle of lines. if not... | 21:16 |
| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/xhNxrcLX/losf | 21:16 |
| kota_ | oic, thanks notmyname | 21:16 |
| notmyname | let's test it... | 21:17 |
| notmyname | now on to the next #topic py3 | 21:17 |
| notmyname | no :-( | 21:17 |
| notmyname | #topic py3 | 21:17 |
| zaitcev | Uh-oh. | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "py3 (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:17 | |
| notmyname | everyone's favorite! | 21:17 |
| notmyname | there have been a bunch of py3 changes landing this week | 21:18 |
| zaitcev | We made an unusual amount of progress, basically did a month's work in a week. | 21:18 |
| notmyname | wow! | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | zaitcev and timburke have been doing an aweome job here. | 21:18 |
| notmyname | any noticeable reason for getting so much done this week? | 21:19 |
| notmyname | like... is it something that can be duplicated for next week? :-) | 21:19 |
| zaitcev | However, it'll take a while to catch up, we have some known-bad places, and the integration phase is a concern. | 21:19 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:19 |
| timburke | notmyname, i wasn't trying to re-engineer versioned_Writes to work for s3api? | 21:19 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:19 |
| notmyname | fair enough | 21:19 |
| notmyname | what are the known bad places? | 21:20 |
| zaitcev | I suppose main reason is timburke got serious. | 21:20 |
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| timburke | at some point (maybe in the near future?) it's going to come down to clayg's idea from long ago of just ripping the band-aid off | 21:20 |
| clayg | OUCH! | 21:21 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah, so long as the py2 unit, func and probe tests pass then we just will have to live with maybe finding a few bugs.. but hey. that's life. | 21:22 |
| notmyname | what are the known bad places you mentioned zaitcev? | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | or the concerns around the integration phase? | 21:24 |
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| zaitcev | bulk is something I was unable to port thus far, because it uses a tarball module that does not want to accept utf-8 names | 21:24 |
| notmyname | oh, interesting | 21:24 |
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| zaitcev | The integration - that is basically functests and probe tests - is going to hit places that aren't covered by unit tests, especially with international characters in object/container names, ACLs, listing prefixes etc. | 21:25 |
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| timburke | how to deal with object metadata is another one. account and container, metadata has to be utf-8 (in part because we serialize it as json). obj allows arbitrary bytes, which just get pickled | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | timburke: are you still keeping https://gist.github.com/tipabu/833b03a865dba96e9fa2230b82f5d075 up to date? | 21:26 |
| notmyname | or is there a better place? | 21:26 |
| timburke | not really. on either question | 21:26 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:27 |
| notmyname | do we need one? | 21:27 |
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| zaitcev | maybe later? | 21:27 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:27 |
| notmyname | timburke: zaitcev: what are your next goals with py3? keep working on bulk? or to tackle another area? | 21:28 |
| clayg | amazing | 21:28 |
| zaitcev | This tracking may be useful once we start to whittling missing parts down one by one. But for now we're still finishing unit tests. IMHO. | 21:28 |
| clayg | so explore how far we can get with brute force - then gather the wagons around the hard parts | 21:28 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: we have a very good unit test coverage fortunately, so the first goal is to have all unit tests pass, including bulk. That one may yet be soluble using Unicode surrogates and/or appeals to upstream. | 21:29 |
| zaitcev | s/soluble/solvable/ | 21:29 |
| zaitcev | Basically what Clay said | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:30 |
| timburke | i was thinking that obj might be a good next target, then see if we can get some fraction of the functional tests running against a py3 swift | 21:30 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:30 |
| timburke | being sure to run the func tests under py2, because i don't trust that they'll test the same things otherwise | 21:30 |
| zaitcev | We still have s3api | 21:30 |
| timburke | yeah, i think that one may take a bit :-( | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: but it's cool that we can do that. It worked for me when testing the sharder | 21:31 |
| notmyname | 3x py3s3api v3 | 21:31 |
| timburke | zaitcev, i'd be happy to take a stab at bulk, though; see how far i can get | 21:31 |
| zaitcev | timburke: you have a history of simplifying my excesses, so I am hoping for miracle from you again here | 21:31 |
| timburke | mattoliverau, did you ever get more info on the func test failure you saw? | 21:32 |
| zaitcev | If I were doing py3 alone, _everything_ would've been forced UTF-8 top to bottom :-) | 21:33 |
| zaitcev | Bytes, bytes as far as eye can see | 21:33 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | not yet, but haven't quited looked yet. I've been looking into some of the 404s I got while sharding a test container I have here.. it sharded fine, but there were some extra 404s trying to get shardranges at times. (in py3). So might have gotten a little distracted. | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | zaitcev: lol | 21:34 |
| zaitcev | Well. As long as we didn't break py2, this is probably acceptable for now. | 21:34 |
| timburke | zaitcev, yeah, it's tempting... but i really worry about the burden that would put on middleware developers | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | yeah. | 21:34 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:35 | |
| notmyname | any other topics to bring up this week during the meeting? | 21:35 |
| kota_ | ah, just a qustion | 21:35 |
| kota_ | perhaps, we may be missing keystone tests in the gate? AFAIK, the devstack gate was the one we had. | 21:36 |
| kota_ | and I don't see the gate job in the recent gerrit result... | 21:36 |
| timburke | swift-dsvm-functional should include keystone testing | 21:37 |
| clayg | whoa :\ | 21:37 |
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| timburke | (and the ipv6 one) | 21:37 |
| clayg | oh d[ev]s[tack]vm-functional - there you go | 21:37 |
| kota_ | i'm not sure when it was dropped tho. | 21:37 |
| * timburke hides | 21:37 | |
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| notmyname | heh | 21:38 |
| clayg | but we *have* a devstack gate job? | 21:38 |
| clayg | kota_: or you don't see `swift-dsvm-functional[-ipv6]` jobs? | 21:38 |
| timburke | https://github.com/openstack/swift/commit/560db71 *will* come back to bite me some day... | 21:39 |
| kota_ | clayg: e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/639365/ doesn't show the swift-dsvm-functional job | 21:39 |
| mattoliverau | yeah and looking at those logs, it's defintely deploying keysone. Well it's marked as required in the early logs anyway. | 21:39 |
| patchbot | patch 639365 - swift (feature/losf) - Change grpcio version in requirements.txt to >=1.11.0 - 1 patch set | 21:39 |
| kota_ | oic | 21:40 |
| mattoliverau | the job might have a filter on the branch? | 21:40 |
| kota_ | at master, the dsvm gate are still working. | 21:40 |
| clayg | kota_: that's probably because of the feature branch | 21:40 |
| clayg | timburke: notmyname: do you guys know if any zuul jobs are "injected" based on the branch/repo - or if EVERYTHING is in the .zuul file now? | 21:40 |
| kota_ | gotha, I should go look to the .zuul.yaml or project-config, thx. | 21:41 |
| clarkb | clayg: most of it should be in .zuul.yaml (or similar config files) at this point. There are some release jobs we still manage centrally iirc | 21:41 |
| clarkb | so if the job isn't in the branches job config that would explain it | 21:41 |
| notmyname | clarkb: thanks for the clarification :-) | 21:42 |
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| clayg | looks like it's in `.zuul.yaml` on losf same as master? | 21:43 |
| clayg | kota_: so maybe 1) well spotted! 2) we don't know why 😞 | 21:43 |
| kota_ | we don't change anything of .zuul.yaml at losf but I'll be able to make sure why it happens. | 21:44 |
| clayg | yes, it's curious | 21:45 |
| timburke | i'll see what i can find out... but i'm not sure my search will be successful | 21:45 |
| clayg | kota_: it's *just* those two jobs | 21:45 |
| mattoliverau | what's defined in devstack-minimal? maybe theres a branch filter there or something | 21:46 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks for bring that up | 21:46 |
| kota_ | yup | 21:46 |
| notmyname | I'll add a follow-up for that question to next week's agenda | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up for anyone? | 21:47 |
| rledisez | one other topic: somebody on ML asked (twice) about fstab entries, proposing we encourage the use of UUID instead of device names (sda, …). I totally agree that using sda is a bad practise (we had many issues with that in the past at OVH), what are your though on updating the documentation for that? | 21:47 |
| timburke | +1 | 21:48 |
| zaitcev | Umm we never said use /dev/sda, did we | 21:48 |
| notmyname | I thought we encouraged labels | 21:48 |
| timburke | labels are good, too | 21:48 |
| zaitcev | We use "sda" as a device name within Swift, is all. All my systems use -L labes. | 21:48 |
| notmyname | device names are terrible because they're not stable on reboot | 21:48 |
| rledisez | i gotta admit I didn't check what he's saying | 21:48 |
| notmyname | if we're ever encouraging device names, we should absolutely update the docs | 21:49 |
| notmyname | anything else? | 21:49 |
| zaitcev | I name my devices in Swift in a way that does not match the /dev, this way there's no confusion. Like "x1a" etc. | 21:49 |
| timburke | take a look at https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/35c5f666de0b9a2dab77863086d972a1a8e78fe4/doc/source/deployment_guide.rst#filesystem-considerations for example... | 21:49 |
| notmyname | timburke: well I also notice the ubuntu 12.04 mentioned there... ;-) | 21:50 |
| notmyname | or 10.04!!!! | 21:51 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:51 |
| rledisez | quoting his mail " the docs tell to use the disk labels in the disk's /etc/fstab | 21:51 |
| rledisez | entries. | 21:51 |
| rledisez | eg: | 21:51 |
| rledisez | /dev/sda /srv/node/sda xfs noatime............. | 21:51 |
| rledisez | " | 21:51 |
| zaitcev | Still... Who's going to edit deployment_guide.rst ? | 21:51 |
| timburke | aw, it's so cute... "Rackspace currently runs Swift on Ubuntu Server 10.04, and the following changes have been found to be useful for our use cases. ..." | 21:51 |
| clayg | rledisez: well it'd be useful to know which docs he's referring to | 21:52 |
| notmyname | yeah, all mentions of "we" and rackspace should be updated as well | 21:52 |
| clayg | if you want to reply - or point someone at the thread | 21:52 |
| zaitcev | # Do not use /etc/fstab to mount Swift drives. If a drive fails mount, | 21:52 |
| zaitcev | # it's better for Swift to proceed than to fail to the repair prompt. | 21:52 |
| zaitcev | set +e | 21:52 |
| zaitcev | mount -L a1 /srv/node/a1 | 21:52 |
| zaitcev | mount -L a2 /srv/node/a2 | 21:52 |
| timburke | https://i.imgflip.com/21aqbc.jpg | 21:53 |
| zaitcev | (this is a recommendation from Joe Arnold's book BTW) | 21:53 |
| clayg | I know there's LOTS of places we use as sda as *an example* | 21:53 |
| rledisez | https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/35c5f666de0b9a2dab77863086d972a1a8e78fe4/doc/source/install/storage-install-ubuntu-debian.rst | 21:53 |
| clayg | we don't want to add an addendum to every example saying "replace sda with the device on your system and also don't use unstable device names" | 21:53 |
| timburke | rledisez, ok, 14.04... we're making progress... ;-) | 21:54 |
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| rledisez | :) | 21:54 |
| zaitcev | %s/sda/exampledevicea/g problem solved | 21:54 |
| clayg | it'd be cool if we could think of another string that has a strong context of "example device" | 21:54 |
| clayg | zaitcev: kind of? | 21:54 |
| clayg | ok, at least it's docs in our tree! | 21:54 |
| clayg | @rledisez thanks | 21:55 |
| timburke | clayg, swift-disk-N? idk... | 21:55 |
| clayg | yeah I like that! | 21:55 |
| clayg | we use `dN` for brevity - again we like labels | 21:55 |
| notmyname | I like `swift-disk-N` too | 21:55 |
| zaitcev | Like "a1" in my example from /etc/rc.d/rc.local above | 21:55 |
| clayg | The instructions use /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc, but you can substitute different values for your particular nodes. | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: did you (or can you) respond to the ML post? | 21:56 |
| mattoliverau | /dev/disk/by-label/swift-device-1 | 21:56 |
| rledisez | i didnot yet, but i can/will | 21:56 |
| mattoliverau | etc | 21:56 |
| notmyname | rledisez: thanks. yeah, I think it's a good idea to correct and guide when there's a fair question and arguably bad docs out there | 21:57 |
| zaitcev | ok | 21:57 |
| zaitcev | gtg | 21:57 |
| notmyname | yeah, we're at full time anyway | 21:57 |
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| clayg | zaitcev: that's an interesting idea about sing rc.local to avoid the repair prompt! that joe... he's so smart | 21:57 |
| rledisez | i'll create a bug report and answer to the ML (with a link) | 21:57 |
| notmyname | rledisez: perfect. thanks | 21:58 |
| clayg | rledisez: like a $%^&*ing CORE | 21:58 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming this week | 21:58 |
| clayg | 👍 | 21:58 |
| notmyname | rledisez: kota_: thanks for the losf work. sounds great | 21:58 |
| notmyname | zaitcev, timburke; thanks for the great py3 work | 21:58 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 27 21:58:42 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2019/swift.2019-02-27-21.01.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2019/swift.2019-02-27-21.01.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2019/swift.2019-02-27-21.01.log.html | 21:58 |
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