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| eumel8 | o/ | 07:00 |
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| eumel8 | #startmeeting openstack_i18n_meeting | 07:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 13 07:01:02 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack_i18n_meeting)" | 07:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | good morning | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | welcome to I18n meeting | 07:01 |
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| Linkid | Hi | 07:02 |
| eumel8 | hi linkid | 07:02 |
| pkovar | hello | 07:02 |
| eumel8 | hello pkovar | 07:02 |
| eumel8 | #info i18n docs project update Berlin #link https://www.openstack.org/videos/berlin-2018/i18ndocs-project-update | 07:03 |
| eumel8 | #topic ATC status in that cycle | 07:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ATC status in that cycle (Meeting topic: openstack_i18n_meeting)" | 07:04 | |
| eumel8 | first topic is ATC status in that cycle | 07:04 |
| eumel8 | cycle is a bit longer as the previous | 07:04 |
| eumel8 | so Extra-ATC deadline is expected after PTL election in March 2019 | 07:05 |
| eumel8 | but from some people the status will expire in January | 07:05 |
| eumel8 | so, we have to refresh the status in January and have to propose a second in March 2019 | 07:06 |
| eumel8 | that means two times collecting Zanata data and puzzle it together | 07:07 |
| Linkid | Is this status for one or two cycle, usually ? | 07:07 |
| amotoki | eumel8: are all translations considered as ATC? | 07:07 |
| eumel8 | Linkid; for two. So normaly you're save for the next 2 cycle | 07:08 |
| amotoki | My question is from whitepaper translations and/or ops-guide translations. | 07:08 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: yes, also Whitepaper Translations are now collected | 07:08 |
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| amotoki | I wonder some translations are categorized into AUC or not.... | 07:09 |
| eumel8 | And every community member can propose Extra-ATC | 07:09 |
| amotoki | eumel8: do you mean "foundation member"? | 07:11 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: ok, we have to double-check this, maybe ianychoi can help with, but it's a technically contribution, so it should fit ATC status | 07:12 |
| eumel8 | yes, foundation member, of course. | 07:12 |
| eumel8 | I will do this in January. For March we will see if a new PTL is on the horizon who can make the task :) | 07:12 |
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| eumel8 | amotoki: but thanks for the hint, I will look at ATC/AUC requirements | 07:14 |
| eumel8 | next topic | 07:14 |
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| amotoki | eumel8: no worries. FYI operations-guide repo is categorized into sig-repos now | 07:15 |
| amotoki | that hits me the question | 07:15 |
| eumel8 | yeah, good point | 07:15 |
| eumel8 | #topic Status of project doc translation | 07:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status of project doc translation (Meeting topic: openstack_i18n_meeting)" | 07:15 | |
| eumel8 | In project doc translation we had a new release of openstackdocstheme (1.28) which includes amotoki's build script for project doc translations | 07:16 |
| eumel8 | the script can be called in tox.ini to build translated docs with this nice language menu | 07:17 |
| eumel8 | it works in operations-guide, contributing-guide, i18n-guide, unfortunatelly not in the specific folders in project repos | 07:18 |
| eumel8 | that means, sub-folders are not working | 07:18 |
| eumel8 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/623429/ | 07:19 |
| eumel8 | for example | 07:19 |
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| eumel8 | there are some fixes on the way and stephenfin started to work on a sphinx-extension for that | 07:20 |
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| eumel8 | so, like horizon docs translation. you can import that but it will not build and published at the moment | 07:21 |
| pkovar | still a good progress i'd say :) | 07:22 |
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| eumel8 | as a new project I proposed Trove for project doc translation and translation Trove in general, because the project was renewed this year from the Samsung guys in Poland | 07:23 |
| amotoki | yeah, good progress, thanks! sphinx extension would be nice :) | 07:23 |
| eumel8 | indeed | 07:23 |
| eumel8 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/624676/ | 07:24 |
| eumel8 | next topic | 07:24 |
| eumel8 | #topic New projects for translation | 07:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New projects for translation (Meeting topic: openstack_i18n_meeting)" | 07:24 | |
| eumel8 | I mentioned already Trove | 07:25 |
| eumel8 | and we want to start with Storyboard translation in that cycle. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/623508/ | 07:25 |
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| eumel8 | Storyboard is a Python project so should be translatable. Will see how it works at the end. | 07:27 |
| eumel8 | next topic | 07:27 |
| eumel8 | #topic I18n in OpenStack Map | 07:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "I18n in OpenStack Map (Meeting topic: openstack_i18n_meeting)" | 07:27 | |
| eumel8 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/623418/ | 07:27 |
| eumel8 | I missed Docs and I18n in the OpenStack Map and on the start page of new contributors. | 07:28 |
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| eumel8 | I had some discussions with ttx and they want to puzzle a chapter for that into | 07:28 |
| eumel8 | beside that we can put Docs and I18n as supporting teams, so we are visible in the map | 07:29 |
| Linkid | Yes, great idea | 07:29 |
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| eumel8 | so, lots of topics for the first meeting :) | 07:30 |
| eumel8 | maybe discussion at the end of the round | 07:30 |
| eumel8 | and will handover to pkovar | 07:30 |
| eumel8 | #endmeeting | 07:30 |
| amotoki | the openstack map does not cover several supporting teams. docs and i18n are some examples. | 07:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 07:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 13 07:30:27 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-12-13-07.01.html | 07:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-12-13-07.01.txt | 07:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-12-13-07.01.log.html | 07:30 |
| pkovar | #startmeeting docteam | 07:30 |
| pkovar | #startmeeting docteam | 07:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 13 07:30:56 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pkovar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 07:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 07:31 |
| pkovar | a whitespace makes a difference | 07:31 |
| eumel8 | hello docteam :) | 07:31 |
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| pkovar | eumel8: amito let' just continue with the map discussion ? | 07:31 |
| eumel8 | yeah | 07:31 |
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| pkovar | #topic openstack map | 07:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "openstack map (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 07:31 | |
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| pkovar | #chair eumel8 | 07:32 |
| openstack | Current chairs: eumel8 pkovar | 07:32 |
| eumel8 | that yaml file in that repo is the base for the pdf file with the map and the web page #link https://www.openstack.org/community/ | 07:33 |
| pkovar | sounds like we are closing a loop with the foundation people after all those discussions at the ptgs etc. | 07:33 |
| pkovar | #link https://www.openstack.org/community/ | 07:33 |
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| amito | pkovar: ? | 07:34 |
| pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/623418/ | 07:34 |
| amito | pkovar: did you ping me? | 07:34 |
| eumel8 | the pdf file should only contain software. So my first version of the proposal contained new teams, but that was not the right way | 07:35 |
| pkovar | amito: did i? no, sorry, must have been a typo | 07:35 |
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| eumel8 | yeah, wake up the people early in the morning ;) | 07:35 |
| pkovar | hehe, was not my intention originally, but now that i think about it | 07:37 |
| pkovar | ... | 07:37 |
| pkovar | in any case, thanks for the patch, eumel8 | 07:38 |
| Linkid | Is there any preview of this doc ? | 07:38 |
| Linkid | (I mean, without having to checkout the repo and built the project ;)) | 07:39 |
| eumel8 | Linkid: I think not ... nothing what I know | 07:39 |
| Linkid | Ok, I may propose something for that, in few days, then | 07:40 |
| pkovar | there is some black magic behind the preview build i think | 07:40 |
| eumel8 | *g* | 07:40 |
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| Linkid | ^^ | 07:41 |
| eumel8 | maybe deep around that repo: #link https://github.com/openstack-infra/openstackweb | 07:42 |
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| pkovar | eumel8: is it https://github.com/OpenStackweb/openstack-org rather? | 07:43 |
| pkovar | your link looks dead | 07:43 |
| pkovar | i see jimmy commits to openstack-org :) | 07:43 |
| eumel8 | yeah, true | 07:44 |
| eumel8 | but it's not better if you try to find out how that kind of stuff works ;) | 07:44 |
| pkovar | right on, though the repo is public at least | 07:45 |
| pkovar | and updated, which wasn't the case a year ago | 07:45 |
| eumel8 | yes, I tried to build my own openstack.org page, but it wasn't sucessfull | 07:46 |
| pkovar | i think i have a onboarding session idea for jimmy for the next openstack event | 07:47 |
| pkovar | how to get started with the .org site building | 07:47 |
| eumel8 | add me :) | 07:47 |
| pkovar | anything else on the docs agenda today? | 07:48 |
| eumel8 | huu, software/code/tasks/IngestOpenStackComponentsDataCronTask.php - there is openstack_components.yaml included | 07:49 |
| pkovar | the mtg wiki page is emty | 07:49 |
| pkovar | empty rather | 07:49 |
| pkovar | fulltext search for the win? :) | 07:49 |
| eumel8 | yes :) | 07:50 |
| pkovar | #topic open discussion | 07:51 |
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| pkovar | a personal remark, i'm not sure i can attend these morning meetings regularly but i am hoping for our east asian cores to take over :) | 07:52 |
| pkovar | will see | 07:52 |
| eumel8 | pkovar: yeah, you have to train your asian staff ;) | 07:53 |
| pkovar | the ptl elections are quickly approaching, so it high time wink wink | 07:54 |
| eumel8 | yes | 07:55 |
| eumel8 | in summary my impression is we've got some new energy with that new meeting model today. Will see how long it takes | 07:55 |
| pkovar | agreed | 07:55 |
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| pkovar | anything else? | 07:58 |
| pkovar | going once.. | 07:58 |
| pkovar | twice | 07:58 |
| pkovar | sold | 07:58 |
| pkovar | thanks everybody | 07:58 |
| pkovar | #endmeeting | 07:59 |
| eumel8 | finished. Have a nice day/evening Linkid, pkovar, amotoki ;) | 07:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 13 07:59:06 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2018/docteam.2018-12-13-07.30.html | 07:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2018/docteam.2018-12-13-07.30.txt | 07:59 |
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| Linkid | bye :) | 08:16 |
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| gibi | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 13 14:00:12 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gibi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
| gmann | o/ | 14:00 |
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| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| gibi | Hello everyone, I will be your host today | 14:00 |
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| gibi | lets get started | 14:01 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:01 |
| gibi | #topic Release News | 14:01 |
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| gibi | #link Stein release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Stein_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| gibi | #link Stein runway etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-runways-stein | 14:01 |
| gibi | #link runway #1: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/local-disk-serial-numbers (mdbooth) [END 2018-12-14] https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/local-disk-serial-numbers+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 14:01 |
| gibi | #link runway #2: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/live-migration-force-after-timeout (yikun) [END 2018-12-19] https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/live-migration-force-after-timeout+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 14:02 |
| gibi | #link runway #3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/bandwidth-resource-provider (gibi) (current patch series below supports server create, delete and re-schedule cases) [END 2018-12-24] starts here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567268 | 14:02 |
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| gibi | anythin about the release schedul or the runway items? | 14:02 |
| gibi | I'm +2 on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/live-migration-force-after-timeout | 14:02 |
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| gibi | moving forward | 14:03 |
| mriedem | i need to come back on it | 14:03 |
| gibi | #topic Bugs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:03 | |
| gibi | no critical bugs \o/ | 14:03 |
| gibi | #link 58 new untriaged bugs (up 4 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 14:04 |
| gibi | #link 10 untagged untriaged bugs (up 1 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:04 |
| gibi | #link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 14:04 |
| gibi | #help need help with bug triage | 14:04 |
| gibi | anything bug related? | 14:04 |
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| gibi | #topic Gate status | 14:06 |
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| gibi | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:06 |
| gibi | #link 3rd party CI status http://ciwatch.mmedvede.net/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:06 |
| mriedem | the gate is unwell | 14:06 |
| mriedem | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2018-December/000867.html | 14:06 |
| gibi | mriedem: anything where immediate attention would help? | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | i haven't really collected my thoughts yet today... | 14:08 |
| gibi | mriedem: OK, thanks for the link | 14:08 |
| mriedem | need to see where we're at since yesterday | 14:08 |
| gmann | mriedem: have not got chance to check multiattach cinder bug. i am seeing some connectivity issue on tempest-slow on stable branch | 14:08 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:tempest-multinode-slow-stable+(status:open+OR+status:merged) | 14:08 |
| gmann | rocky is fine but queens, pike are consistent failure | 14:09 |
| gmann | i have not debugged those yet | 14:09 |
| gibi | anything else gate or 3rd party CI related? | 14:10 |
| gibi | #topic Reminders | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:11 | |
| gibi | #link Stein Subteam Patches n Bugs: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-nova-subteam-tracking | 14:11 |
| gibi | #link Spec freeze/non-priority blueprint freeze is s-2 January 10, 2019 | 14:11 |
| gibi | any other reminders? | 14:11 |
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| gibi | #topic Stable branch status | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:12 | |
| gibi | #link stable/rocky: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/rocky,n,z | 14:12 |
| gibi | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens,n,z | 14:12 |
| gibi | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 14:12 |
| mriedem | frickler needs a release for some bug fixes, | 14:13 |
| mriedem | i think melwitt was thinking about doing one soon anyway, or maybe closer to s-2 | 14:13 |
| mriedem | but we could get one out before everyone leaves at the end of the month | 14:13 |
| mriedem | so i'll try to push through what's reviewable today and then we can think about queuing up a release for early next week | 14:13 |
| gibi | thanks mriedem | 14:14 |
| gibi | anything else stable related? | 14:14 |
| gibi | #topic Subteam Highlights | 14:15 |
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| gibi | Scheduler (cdent) | 14:15 |
| * cdent is caught off guard | 14:15 | |
| cdent | we met, I talked about all the things that are pending, and then we unmet | 14:15 |
| gibi | did I remember correclty that you was the chair on Monday? | 14:15 |
| cdent | yes | 14:15 |
| edleafe | It was brief | 14:16 |
| cdent | there was nothing sticky | 14:16 |
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| gibi | for me the biggest thing is that this is on the gate now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/617941/ | 14:16 |
| gibi | using extracted placement in nova functional test | 14:16 |
| cdent | aye | 14:16 |
| gibi | API (gmann) | 14:17 |
| gibi | No updates this week. Office hour did not happen. | 14:17 |
| gibi | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:17 | |
| gmann | yeah, not much to share this week on API side | 14:17 |
| gibi | gmann: thanks | 14:17 |
| gibi | nothing on the agenda for stuck reviews | 14:17 |
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| gibi | #topic Open discussion | 14:18 |
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| gibi | FYI melwitt out 2018-12-20 through 2019-01-01. Will be back on Jan 2. | 14:18 |
| mriedem | dan is out next week | 14:18 |
| mriedem | fyi | 14:18 |
| mriedem | i'm out the week of xmas fwiw | 14:18 |
| mriedem | speaking of everyone being out, | 14:18 |
| mriedem | spec freeze is jan 10, | 14:19 |
| mriedem | and i'd like to lobby for some reviews on my cross-cell resize spec, which is a doozy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/616037/ | 14:19 |
| mriedem | so far only dan has looked at it but given the complicated nature of this (i have a poc already too), i'll need lots more eyes on this if there is hope to get it done in stein | 14:19 |
| mriedem | otherwise i expect i'll just be in a spec freeze exception situation where we approve the spec, implementation details fuzzed over, and then sort it out in code review | 14:20 |
| mriedem | i'm out the week of jan 10 too btw :) | 14:20 |
| gibi | I try to look at it before xmass | 14:20 |
| mriedem | thanks, | 14:20 |
| mriedem | i think johnthetubaguy would be very valuable here being an old cells operator | 14:20 |
| mriedem | so he understands the use case | 14:20 |
| mriedem | but i think he's programming satellites in the australian desert or something | 14:21 |
| gibi | OK there is one more thing on the agenda | 14:22 |
| gibi | Do we want to have nova meeting on 2018-12-27 14:00 UTC? | 14:22 |
| gibi | the date is still xmassy for me but I can solve it if there is a need | 14:22 |
| mriedem | lots of people will be out so i say skip it | 14:22 |
| cdent | I have a question about deleting the rest of placement. The start of that is at https://review.openstack.org/618215 but it is incomplete and it feels like we need some kind of stepwise plan re code/docs/whatever else. | 14:22 |
| cdent | (let's skip the meeting) | 14:22 |
| gmann | +1 on skip on 27 | 14:22 |
| cdent | I'm not asking that we make a plan here and now, but asking about how we go about making the plan. | 14:22 |
| gibi | #agreed skip the meeting on 2018-12-27 14:00 UTC | 14:23 |
| mriedem | cdent: maybe get a couple people together to scratch out a plan and then dump that in the ML for wider input | 14:23 |
| mriedem | i would need to look back at the extraction checklist | 14:23 |
| cdent | any takers? I'd particularly like someone who doesn't care about placement much but just wants to be sure nova is "OK" | 14:24 |
| mriedem | mnaser? | 14:24 |
| mriedem | he cares that it all works after the extraction | 14:24 |
| cdent | the physics of taking the code out is no big deal, but making the docs floooow and similar is more challenging | 14:24 |
| cdent | good idea | 14:24 |
| mriedem | but he's also likely very busy | 14:24 |
| * mnaser reads buffer | 14:24 | |
| mriedem | i think we probably at least need to see osa or tripleo extracted placement upgrade working before we can delete the code from nova | 14:25 |
| mriedem | canonical also said they can't package extracted placement while it's still in nova right? | 14:25 |
| mriedem | coreycb said that i think | 14:25 |
| cdent | mriedem: yeah, agree, I'm just hoping that we can have patches prepared so there's not much latency. yes coreycb said that | 14:25 |
| cdent | and it is because of that that I'd like to minimize latency | 14:26 |
| mriedem | so coreycb and mnaser would be good non-nova/placement stakeholders | 14:26 |
| mnaser | I can chime in to answer questions but I’d be in favour of not having our gates broken because of placement removal | 14:26 |
| cdent | that's a given | 14:26 |
| mriedem | the gate (devstack/grenade) is already using extracted placement | 14:27 |
| mriedem | but OSA isn't | 14:27 |
| mriedem | nor tripleo etc | 14:27 |
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| mnaser | The hitch we hit now is that placement doesn’t have tempest tests so we can’t validate it like the rest of our roles | 14:27 |
| cdent | puppet is successful with greendfield placement, but not upgrades | 14:27 |
| mriedem | kolla is still on newton i think... | 14:27 |
| gmann | it has integrated-gate-py35 (tempest-full-py3 and grenade-py3) | 14:28 |
| mriedem | mnaser: anything creating or moving a server would validate placement | 14:28 |
| mriedem | i.e. couldn't you run tempest compute api tests? | 14:28 |
| mriedem | we probably don't need to hash this out here in the meeting | 14:28 |
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| mnaser | mriedem: we can, but we were hoping the placement role jobs only deployed placement alone and tested it. But indeed. I’d be okay being a poc for this from deployer side going back to original topic | 14:29 |
| gmann | it run currently right with py3 - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/624942/ | 14:29 |
| mriedem | mnaser: then you gotta use gabbi | 14:30 |
| mriedem | we said in the ML a week or so ago that tempest wouldn't have placement-only tests | 14:30 |
| mriedem | since it's redundant with functional tests within placement | 14:30 |
| bauzas | oh shit, gosh dammit DST | 14:30 |
| * bauzas waves like super late | 14:30 | |
| mnaser | ack | 14:30 |
| cdent | mnaser: this might be of interest https://review.openstack.org/#/c/613386/ | 14:30 |
| gibi | nothing more on the agenda so we can use the time here or move it to openstack-nova | 14:30 |
| cdent | gibi: let's kill it | 14:30 |
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| gibi | OK, any other open discussion topic? | 14:31 |
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| gibi | thanks you all | 14:32 |
| gibi | #endmeeting | 14:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Dec 13 14:32:03 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-12-13-14.00.html | 14:32 |
| cdent | thanks gibi | 14:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-12-13-14.00.txt | 14:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-12-13-14.00.log.html | 14:32 |
| gmann | thanks gibi for chairing | 14:32 |
| bauzas | thanks | 14:32 |
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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Dec 13 15:00:48 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:00 |
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| gagehugo | ping eeiden fungi gagehugo lhinds nickthetait browne redrobot | 15:02 |
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| nickthetait | hey | 15:02 |
| redrobot | o/ but only kinda... also in a conference call :-\ | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | nickthetait redrobot: o/ | 15:02 |
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| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | nothing really on the agenda afaik for this week | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | do you guys have anything? | 15:04 |
| Luzi | o/ | 15:04 |
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| gagehugo | Luzi o/ | 15:05 |
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| Luzi | there has been some confusion for me about, what projects you all represent in here? | 15:07 |
| fungi | there was one concern raised on a security hardening bug about interest in an ossn | 15:07 |
| fungi | Luzi: we represent openstack | 15:07 |
| fungi | though we have backgrounds individually in lots of different pieces | 15:07 |
| Luzi | fungi, i mean the backgrounds, in which openstack projects you are somehow active | 15:08 |
| fungi | i personally am on the technical committee, vulnerability management team, opendev/infra team and on the osf staff, among other hats | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | I'm mostly active with keystone and the vulnerability management team | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | fungi: that was the bug from april right? | 15:10 |
| fungi | no, getting the link | 15:10 |
| fungi | #link https://launchpad.net/bugs/1795800 Username enumeration via response timing difference | 15:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1795800 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Username enumeration via response timing difference" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 15:10 |
| nickthetait | for me, still pretty new. Contributed to some OSSNs and reviewing a few proposals that would have security impact. | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | ty | 15:10 |
| fungi | the reportter seems to be interested in more widely communicating that particular username enumeration oracle | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | oh that one | 15:11 |
| fungi | nickthetait: you worked/work on the bandit code security analyzer too, right? | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | hmm I wonder with the flask rework if that would be easier to fix | 15:13 |
| nickthetait | yup | 15:13 |
| fungi | Luzi: so anyway, a fairly diverse crowd, at least today | 15:14 |
| fungi | and you're with secustack, i gather? | 15:14 |
| fungi | and redrobot (who said he's "only kinda" around) is a core reviewer on barbican | 15:16 |
| Luzi | fungi: yes, we have looked into a few different openstack projects like so far | 15:16 |
| fungi | and lhinds sometimes joins us, a long-time contributor to the openstack security guide | 15:16 |
| Luzi | fungi, nice to know | 15:18 |
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| nickthetait | quick (non-security) question: was there a proposal to change the length of releases? Don't remember where I heard this | 15:21 |
| fungi | nickthetait: it's come up off and on over the years. most recent discussion last year looked at options anywhere from quarterly to annually and concluded that semi-annual was still a good compromise for now | 15:22 |
| nickthetait | okay thx | 15:22 |
| fungi | a lot of that tied into the long-term-stable/extended-maintenance discussions as well as the skip-level/fast-forward upgrades discussions | 15:23 |
| fungi | i think once em and ffu get a little more entrenched it might be easier to shift our release cadence in the future | 15:23 |
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| fungi | Luzi: anyway, as i mentioned on that recent openstack-discuss mailing list thread, people with a variety of backgrounds and involvement in various bits of openstack, but as a result we're also all pulled in lot of different directions, and we'd welcome involvement from people with backgrounds in some of the other popular components of openstack. particularly the ones i which you're trying to get a | 15:25 |
| fungi | foothold with the encrypted images specs | 15:25 |
| fungi | (cinder, glance, nova...) | 15:26 |
| fungi | (...oslo...) | 15:26 |
| Luzi | i just wanted to update my knowledge so far :) it's good to know, with whom you are talking and what background they have | 15:27 |
| nickthetait | welcome to the security SIG luzi! | 15:30 |
| Luzi | nickthetait, thank you | 15:30 |
| fungi | i tend to be particularly spotty with my input in these meetings because they overlap with the busiest technical committee office hour slot of the week | 15:31 |
| fungi | so my apologies | 15:32 |
| Luzi | fungi, no problem - i know what overlapping meetings look like :) | 15:32 |
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| gagehugo | double meetings | 15:34 |
| gagehugo | does anyone have anything else they want to discuss this week? | 15:34 |
| gagehugo | fungi: I can take a look at that bug | 15:35 |
| fungi | thanks gagehugo | 15:35 |
| nickthetait | no big news from me | 15:35 |
| gagehugo | I may need to find a lower power device to test it on though | 15:35 |
| fungi | and no, i didn't have anything especially exciting to bring up. i guess there's the ml thread on which the slow pace of moving the encrypted images work forward is progressing, and finding ways to better publicize/endorse the benefits of the feature Luzi and colleagues are designing | 15:36 |
| fungi | thread starts at: | 15:37 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2018-December/000464.html [all]Forum summary: Expose SIGs and WGs | 15:37 |
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| gagehugo | cross-project specs always move slowly it seems | 15:38 |
| gagehugo | I thought I saw a temporary sig involving the projects get mentioned, not sure if that was in the email thread or tc chat | 15:40 |
| fungi | described as an even more informal "pop-up team" concept | 15:41 |
| fungi | basically the emergent behavior we tend to see when efforts like that (cinder/nova multi-attach for example) play out successfully | 15:41 |
| fungi | a way of pointing out what worked well and recommending similar sorts of patterns of interaction | 15:42 |
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| nickthetait | interesting | 15:46 |
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| gagehugo | thanks for coming everyone, feel free to ping in openstack-security if there are any more questions | 15:51 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:51 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-12-13-15.00.html | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-12-13-15.00.txt | 15:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-12-13-15.00.log.html | 15:51 |
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| melwitt | mriedem: +1 to flushing queens and pike backports and releasing before the holiday break. I assumed not rocky bc we did that semi recently but were you thinking rocky too? I'm sure a lot has landed since last time | 17:01 |
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| melwitt | wrong channel | 17:02 |
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