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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting fc_sig | 07:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 24 07:00:29 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' | 07:00 |
| tonyb | \o | 07:00 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, mattoliverau, cmurphy | 07:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello tonyb :) | 07:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 07:01 |
| gmann | o/ | 07:01 |
| tonyb | diablo_rojo, mattoliverau: hey there | 07:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello mattoliverau and gmann :) | 07:01 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ its a tonyb | 07:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds like cmurphy will be along shortly. | 07:01 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: o/ | 07:01 |
| mattoliverau | loiter loiter loiter | 07:01 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, you'd better appreciate that I'm here.. I was in bed about to go to sleep when I saw on my calendar we had the meeting. | 07:02 |
| diablo_rojo | How's the baby? | 07:02 |
| tonyb | mattoliverau: long time no see! | 07:03 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: I appreciate it very much! | 07:03 |
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| mattoliverau | shes good, well she's growing | 07:03 |
| tonyb | mattoliverau: there are decidedly few photos :/ | 07:03 |
| mattoliverau | but apparently doesn't sleep _AT ALL_ | 07:03 |
| mattoliverau | sorry, I can find some, we do have plenty, just don't really fb them | 07:03 |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yes you need to share more photos | 07:04 |
| diablo_rojo | So you're not getting much sleep then I take it? | 07:04 |
| mattoliverau | so baby's been a bit tough on Bec, especially during the day when she doesn't sleep, so is really irritable, toddler only misbehaves. So I tend to have very broken days of saving the wife from the monters | 07:05 |
| tonyb | #todo mattoliverau moar photos | 07:05 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 07:05 |
| tonyb | mattoliverau: :( | 07:05 |
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| mattoliverau | yeah, new borns are hard, and I just forgot how hard, having a toddler who wants any attention means extra hard. | 07:05 |
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| mattoliverau | good thing there both damn cute | 07:05 |
| diablo_rojo | We wouldn't know as we haven't seen photos ;) | 07:06 |
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| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Agenda for everyone's perusal | 07:06 |
| mattoliverau | ok ok, ouch :P | 07:07 |
| mattoliverau | but also means the wife is in no state for me to leave her on her own for a while, so will be missing Berlin :( But happy wife == happy life, and also means sane wife | 07:07 |
| diablo_rojo | :( :( :( | 07:07 |
| mattoliverau | yeah :( | 07:07 |
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| mattoliverau | should we start the meeting? and cmurphy can join us once she arrives at work? | 07:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Well.. I feel like we've waited long enough. | 07:09 |
| tonyb | +1 | 07:09 |
| diablo_rojo | My thoughts exactly | 07:09 |
| diablo_rojo | So! | 07:09 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New Contributor Patches | 07:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Contributor Patches (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:09 | |
| diablo_rojo | Who did their homework? | 07:10 |
| mattoliverau | I had a look at the list.. does that count | 07:10 |
| diablo_rojo | I kinda did. | 07:10 |
| * tonyb found a new contributor on a stable branch! | 07:10 | |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, about as much as my 'kinda' | 07:10 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, ooOOOoo | 07:10 |
| gmann | did 1-2 new patches | 07:10 |
| mattoliverau | I think I still have the tab open.. so I meant to do it.. then I fell down an IPv6 + libvirt rabbit hole | 07:10 |
| tonyb | does that count? | 07:10 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 07:10 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, awesome | 07:10 |
| diablo_rojo | tonyb, sure | 07:11 |
| mattoliverau | tonyb: that totally does! | 07:11 |
| gmann | doing this one which seems good idea but need to dig into that and call infra guy to verify - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/612834/ | 07:11 |
| diablo_rojo | I think gmann beats all of us though | 07:11 |
| cmurphy | o/ sorry i'm late | 07:11 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, no worries | 07:11 |
| diablo_rojo | we stalled for a while so we are just getting going | 07:11 |
| diablo_rojo | did you happen to look at new contributor patches? | 07:11 |
| cmurphy | i did not, i've been completely swamped | 07:12 |
| tonyb | gmann: I doubt that'll get in | 07:12 |
| tonyb | It's already in git so I guess it's more of a docs fix | 07:12 |
| mattoliverau | there seem to be 2 cinder patches diablo_rojo | 07:12 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, so there are | 07:13 |
| gmann | tonyb: m checking if that is good use case when complete series is in but not sure that is for actual cherry pick for stable branch or for local testing etc | 07:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Will add them to the todo list | 07:13 |
| mattoliverau | tonyb: there are some tripleo ones (if you want to jump infront of that bus) ;p | 07:13 |
| mattoliverau | but you don't have too. | 07:13 |
| tonyb | mattoliverau: Sure I'll look at the nova an tripleo ones this week | 07:14 |
| mattoliverau | we can just point alex to them | 07:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else on this topic? | 07:14 |
| mattoliverau | kk | 07:14 |
| gmann | nothing else from me | 07:15 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Ask.o.o | 07:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ask.o.o (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:15 | |
| diablo_rojo | I didn't do this part of the homework.. | 07:15 |
| mattoliverau | I did this part of the homework | 07:15 |
| mattoliverau | nothing new | 07:15 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, awesome, better than me | 07:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Easy homework then :) | 07:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Shall we move on in that case? | 07:15 |
| mattoliverau | didn't go delving for new topics or anything though | 07:15 |
| mattoliverau | so yeah we can move on | 07:16 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Berlin Planning | 07:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Berlin Planning (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:16 | |
| diablo_rojo | So we have several things on the schedule I want to make people aware of. | 07:17 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22888/first-contact-sig-q-and-a-meet-and-greet Meet & Greet | 07:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Basically we just hang out in the room and try not to scare people away | 07:17 |
| mattoliverau | nice | 07:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Second.. | 07:17 |
| mattoliverau | oh good thing I wont be there then :P | 07:18 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22838/making-the-contributor-portal-more-useful Contributor Portal Feedback | 07:18 |
| mattoliverau | re: scaring people away :P | 07:18 |
| * tonyb can do that | 07:18 | |
| mattoliverau | lol | 07:18 |
| mattoliverau | ta | 07:18 |
| tonyb | well *maybe* I can do that | 07:18 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, we are going to hangout/zoom you in :P | 07:18 |
| mattoliverau | sure! | 07:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Note that the portal is different from the guide for the second one. | 07:18 |
| mattoliverau | I am bummed I wont be there | 07:18 |
| diablo_rojo | The portal is o.o/community | 07:18 |
| diablo_rojo | for those wondering | 07:18 |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, we're bummed too | 07:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Don't think mtreinish will be there either. | 07:19 |
| tonyb | no mtreinish :( | 07:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Severely lack 'Matts' | 07:19 |
| mattoliverau | :( | 07:19 |
| tonyb | mattoliverau: We'll miss you | 07:19 |
| diablo_rojo | 'Matt's | 07:19 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: is there any other sessions planned than the link you mentioned | 07:19 |
| mattoliverau | tonyb: you just have to come down the coast and visit me | 07:20 |
| mattoliverau | ;) | 07:20 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, yeah- I've linked two so far and am about to link a third :) | 07:20 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22726/the-contributor-guide-ops-feedback-session Contrib Guide- Operator Session | 07:20 |
| diablo_rojo | So that one is about the operator specific section of the contributor guide and how to make it actually useful and a resource for them | 07:20 |
| tonyb | mattoliverau: true | 07:20 |
| diablo_rojo | so hopefully some operators show up lol | 07:20 |
| mattoliverau | I wonder if we should give a side of info all the projects giving project onboardings so new contribs know about us and where to go etc | 07:21 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: we can only keep trying | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, thats a good idea. | 07:21 |
| gmann | thanks. added in schedule | 07:21 |
| mattoliverau | and we will | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I can collect all the noob activities into a slide deck for the meet and greet | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | could use it at OUI too actually | 07:21 |
| gmann | +1 | 07:21 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, just add all the things that I am a speaker for ;) | 07:22 |
| mattoliverau | good idea! | 07:22 |
| mattoliverau | will things be streamed? | 07:22 |
| gmann | :), i will check conflict later but adding everything as of now | 07:22 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, not sure about streamed.. I know things are being recorded, but all of mine are forums and so they won't be recorded. | 07:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh..aside from the keynote I am helping out with. | 07:23 |
| mattoliverau | I guess not the forum side anyway | 07:23 |
| diablo_rojo | That will be recorded. | 07:23 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, that's how I normally do things | 07:23 |
| mattoliverau | then find a bunch more sessions on each day you somehow missed in your shedule and then have more conflicts :P | 07:24 |
| diablo_rojo | #todo diablo_rojo will make slides with all noob activites to play on a loop at OUI and during the meet & greet | 07:24 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, exactly | 07:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else on Berlin? | 07:24 |
| tonyb | not from me | 07:26 |
| mattoliverau | nope | 07:26 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Reqs for Contributing Organisations | 07:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reqs for Contributing Organisations (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:26 | |
| * diablo_rojo looks at mattoliverau | 07:26 | |
| diablo_rojo | I think your patch has comments again | 07:26 |
| mattoliverau | I meant to go address comments today... but failed :( | 07:28 |
| mattoliverau | I was full of good intensions today | 07:28 |
| mattoliverau | I did address the last set of comments (not the latest) in case any of you missed to older lastest update. | 07:28 |
| diablo_rojo | I think I saw that one and made comments again and was all 'lets get this landed before berlin if we can' | 07:28 |
| mattoliverau | I'll go and address some more and push a new patchset tomorrow. Poke me if I don't | 07:28 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, can do | 07:28 |
| mattoliverau | yeah | 07:28 |
| mattoliverau | that's right | 07:28 |
| diablo_rojo | #todo mattoliverau to address comments on the patch tomorrow | 07:29 |
| mattoliverau | So let's clean it up a little so we have a v 0.1 to land | 07:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that sounds good to me | 07:29 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ I have a todo. | 07:29 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else on this topic? | 07:29 |
| mattoliverau | Good thing your not using #action ;) | 07:29 |
| mattoliverau | nope | 07:29 |
| diablo_rojo | dangit | 07:30 |
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| diablo_rojo | #action diablo_rojo will make slides with all noob activites to play on a loop at OUI and during the meet & greet | 07:30 |
| diablo_rojo | #action mattoliverau to address comments on the patch tomorrow | 07:31 |
| diablo_rojo | There | 07:31 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic People to Reach Out To | 07:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "People to Reach Out To (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:31 | |
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| diablo_rojo | So cmurphy you reached out to one person last time, lvxianguo? | 07:31 |
| mattoliverau | :) | 07:32 |
| diablo_rojo | You had that wonderful draft email at least | 07:32 |
| cmurphy | i reached out to melissaml via email but no response | 07:32 |
| cmurphy | i didn't use the template, i followed TheJulia's advice and tried to keep it short and sweet | 07:32 |
| cmurphy | haven't seen a big wave from them in a while though | 07:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh cool. | 07:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Did they reply at all? | 07:33 |
| cmurphy | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+owner:%22melissaml+%253Cma.lei%254099cloud.net%253E%22 | 07:33 |
| cmurphy | no | 07:33 |
| cmurphy | :( | 07:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Sadness | 07:33 |
| diablo_rojo | Well I found four more that could be emailed if someone wants to reach out? | 07:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Or I can take some | 07:34 |
| diablo_rojo | or all | 07:34 |
| gmann | i think better to reach out via their colleague, like 99cloud in this case | 07:34 |
| cmurphy | that's a good idea, do we know anyone at 99cloud? | 07:35 |
| gmann | and they can talk to them or give us more visibility about their contribution plan | 07:35 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, would you paste what you sent into that etherpad so we have both in one place and add it to the fc sig agenda so we have it referenceable? | 07:35 |
| cmurphy | sure | 07:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I can't think of anyone off the top of my head, but I'm sure there is someone. | 07:35 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, I do like the idea of having colleagues do it | 07:35 |
| diablo_rojo | if we can find someone willing | 07:35 |
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| gmann | i think tacker/kolla previous PTl. have not interacted to them yet but i can find out their irc | 07:37 |
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| gmann | PTL | 07:37 |
| tonyb | gmann: SHoudl be in git git they were a PTL | 07:38 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, if you want to take that, I would appreciate it! | 07:38 |
| gmann | Yong Sheng Gong and Jeffrey Zhang | 07:38 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: sure, i can check with them | 07:39 |
| tonyb | Oh Jeffrey Zhang was at 99cloud cool | 07:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Two of the four are from 99cloud | 07:40 |
| diablo_rojo | one from inspur | 07:40 |
| diablo_rojo | and one from...no idea | 07:40 |
| diablo_rojo | Anyone know anyone from inspur? | 07:40 |
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| cmurphy | also wondering about https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+owner:%2298k+%253C18552437190%2540163.com%253E%22 i don't know what 163.com is or anyone from there | 07:41 |
| diablo_rojo | Looks like they were formerly at ZTE | 07:42 |
| diablo_rojo | and now listed as no affiliation | 07:42 |
| diablo_rojo | on their member profile | 07:42 |
| diablo_rojo | https://www.openstack.org/community/members/profile/88143/zhaojingjing-067370163 | 07:42 |
| tonyb | cmurphy: darn I looked up 163.com during the TC election I don't really who they are though | 07:42 |
| diablo_rojo | Well we can wait a week on that one and focus on the other three | 07:44 |
| diablo_rojo | 16 min left btw | 07:44 |
| diablo_rojo | So inspur? | 07:44 |
| gmann | i think i know one person from inspur who started some nova API work | 07:44 |
| gmann | but need to check later if he/she from inspur | 07:45 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, if you could check that would also be super helpful | 07:45 |
| gmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/610349/ | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | So aside from solving the 163.com mystery I think we are sorted then | 07:46 |
| gmann | found it Brin Zhang | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, nice | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | yeah | 07:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Would you mind reaching out to them to talk to lvxianguo? | 07:47 |
| gmann | sure | 07:47 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, thank you! | 07:47 |
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| diablo_rojo | Alright then! | 07:48 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic open discussion | 07:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 07:48 | |
| diablo_rojo | 10 min left | 07:50 |
| mattoliverau | anything from anyone or should be let diablo_rojo sleep? | 07:50 |
| cmurphy | i just happened to notice that the contributor guide is not linked from the contributor portal | 07:50 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, who says I haven't been sleeping this whole time? ;) | 07:50 |
| cmurphy | or at least i can't find it | 07:50 |
| cmurphy | that seems not great? | 07:51 |
| tonyb | What are we looking for for 163? An active contributor to talk ease the way for new comers? | 07:51 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, it is I think, but it got changed a bit | 07:51 |
| diablo_rojo | should be when you click on the code and docs part | 07:51 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: that leads to "select a project group" | 07:52 |
| diablo_rojo | But you're right. That never got added. | 07:52 |
| diablo_rojo | I will poke people tomorrow | 07:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks cmurphy! | 07:52 |
| cmurphy | i was trying to get straight to https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/code-and-documentation/index.html | 07:52 |
| cmurphy | np | 07:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah the link should say like 'Select a project group or view the contributor guide here' | 07:54 |
| diablo_rojo | and link there | 07:54 |
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| diablo_rojo | Alright, since you all went silent now, I am calling it :) | 07:56 |
| gmann | or separate tab for "Contributor Guide" may be.... | 07:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Night/Morning/Afternoon everyone! | 07:56 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: good night. thanks | 07:56 |
| cmurphy | good night diablo_rojo | 07:56 |
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| tonyb | Rest well / have a great day | 07:56 |
| mattoliverau | night diablo_rojo | 07:57 |
| mattoliverau | I need to go rescue the wife anyway | 07:57 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, go be a hero :) | 07:57 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 07:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 24 07:57:55 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-10-24-07.00.html | 07:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-10-24-07.00.txt | 07:57 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 10:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 24 10:59:57 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 11:00 |
| oneswig | greetings | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_October_24th_2018 | 11:00 |
| dh3 | hi | 11:00 |
| janders | good morning, good evening everyone | 11:00 |
| oneswig | hello janders dh3 | 11:00 |
| priteau | Good afternoon | 11:00 |
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| oneswig | priteau: indeed it is | 11:00 |
| janders | :) | 11:01 |
| * ildikov is lurking :) | 11:01 | |
| oneswig | martial__: that you? | 11:01 |
| martial__ | I keep getting longer and longer _ added to my nick :) | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Greetings ildikov :-) | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #chair martial__ | 11:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial__ oneswig | 11:01 |
| ildikov | oneswig: hi :) | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #topic Mixed bare metal and virt | 11:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mixed bare metal and virt (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 11:02 | |
| martial__ | hello Stig, Ildiko | 11:02 |
| oneswig | OK, janders has very kindly put together a presentation for us on his work | 11:02 |
| ildikov | morning martial__ :) | 11:02 |
| oneswig | #link janders presentation https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1fh6ZOq3DO-4V880Bn7Vxfm5I1kH5b0xKXHBLW2-sJXs/edit?usp=sharing | 11:02 |
| oneswig | janders: what was your motivation for taking this approach? | 11:03 |
| janders | oneswig: thank you | 11:03 |
| janders | short answer is flexibility | 11:03 |
| janders | a bit longer one is - as we started exploring bare-metal cloud we realised that not everything needs a full node | 11:04 |
| oneswig | But you didn't want to have dedicated hypervisors? | 11:04 |
| janders | also we wanted to make sure we can accommodate non-HPC OpenStack workloads | 11:04 |
| janders | then the question is - how many do we need? | 11:05 |
| janders | and how will the virt hypervisor change over time | 11:05 |
| janders | * virt hypervisor demand | 11:05 |
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| janders | the main goal behind SuperCloud is providing bare metal | 11:06 |
| janders | so we need as many hypervisors as we need and as little as we can get away with, so there is more baremetal capacity available | 11:06 |
| oneswig | janders: makes sense. How do you know its time to create a hypervisor? | 11:07 |
| janders | my expectation is that we might see more virt uptake in the early days and then some of the virt users might start looking at baremetal or containers moving forward | 11:07 |
| janders | right now it will be a "handraulic" approach - "running low? create more." | 11:08 |
| janders | running low in vcpus/ram/vifs would be an indication to create more hypervisors | 11:09 |
| oneswig | Is the InternalAPI network going via IPoIB? | 11:09 |
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| janders | yes, it's a tenant network as any other | 11:09 |
| janders | currently we only have SDN capability on IB | 11:09 |
| martial__ | interesting word "hand-raulic" | 11:10 |
| oneswig | cool stuff. Does that also mean the cluster membership protocols for your control plane services are transported via IPoIB? | 11:10 |
| janders | oneswig: correct | 11:11 |
| oneswig | I'm curious if they all work on something not-quite-ethernet | 11:11 |
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| janders | yes - and while this isn't directly related to ephemeral hypervisors, I have used WAN-capable IB to connect remote computes to central controllers | 11:12 |
| janders | I tried with up to 300ms latency (that is pretty long range), no issues | 11:12 |
| oneswig | Thats awesome | 11:12 |
| janders | in addition to the configuration and capacity flexibility, something where I see a lot of value is having one-stop-shop for baremetals, VMs and containers going forward | 11:13 |
| oneswig | How is the overlay networking done? | 11:13 |
| janders | we don't have all of these going just yet, but that's the direction | 11:14 |
| janders | we run vlan tenant networks in Neutron | 11:14 |
| janders | IB works through mapping pkeys to vlans | 11:14 |
| janders | so from the physical perspective, comms between VMs and between computes and controller aren't any different | 11:15 |
| janders | they just happen to live in a different pkey | 11:15 |
| janders | as VMs get scheduled to nodes, SDN makes sure that the hypervisor has access to the appropriate pkeys | 11:15 |
| oneswig | The hypervisor nodes are bound to the InternalAPI network, how are they bound to other networks too? | 11:15 |
| janders | and the hypervisor works out vf/pkey mapping locally | 11:15 |
| oneswig | ah I see | 11:15 |
| janders | they are in internalapi on pkey0 | 11:16 |
| janders | sorry index0 | 11:16 |
| janders | then, they can have a ton of other pkeys on top | 11:16 |
| janders | it's a bit like native and tagged vlans and trunks, but not quite the same | 11:16 |
| janders | there is no trunking in neutron trunk sense | 11:16 |
| oneswig | The binding is not done on the baremetal hypervisor instance, but the effect is used by VMs running upon it | 11:17 |
| janders | correct | 11:17 |
| janders | hypervisor's GUID is mapped to the pkey | 11:17 |
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| janders | however the hypervisor itself does not send any packets in this pkey | 11:17 |
| janders | just maps the vfs accordingly | 11:17 |
| janders | it's quite neat | 11:18 |
| janders | might be IB generation specific though, we're working on FDR at the moment but this will change soon | 11:18 |
| oneswig | All VM networking is via SR-IOV? | 11:18 |
| janders | haha :) | 11:18 |
| janders | yes and no | 11:18 |
| janders | I will cover more on that a bit later | 11:19 |
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| janders | SuperCloud proper is all baremetal/IB and SRIOV/IB VMs | 11:19 |
| janders | the only ethernet is the br-ex uplink on the controller for L3 | 11:19 |
| janders | I usually try to demo as much as I can but it's a little tricker via IRC | 11:20 |
| janders | however I have some demo-like slides | 11:20 |
| janders | so just to illustrate what we're talking about | 11:20 |
| janders | first of all - please jump to slide 10 (we covered most of the earlier slides just chatting ) | 11:20 |
| janders | on slide 10 you can see that the baremetal nodes running on internalapi network are listed in "openstack compute service list" | 11:21 |
| janders | so - they run on SuperCloud and are nodes of SuperCloud at the same time :) | 11:21 |
| janders | slide 11 just documents setting up the lab I'm using in next slides | 11:21 |
| janders | on slide 12 you can see that the VM instances we created for the experiment are running on SuperCloud-powered compute nodes | 11:22 |
| janders | there are also baremetal instances sigdemo-bm{1,2} | 11:22 |
| janders | now - as both baremetals and VMs use IB they can connect (almost) seamlessly | 11:22 |
| janders | almost - cause VMs won't have access to admin functions (eg running ibhosts) unless these are manually force-enabled | 11:23 |
| janders | a demonstrated example of this is slide 13 where we run RDMA benchmark between a baremetal and a VM | 11:23 |
| oneswig | janders: do you have a way of preventing bare metal instances from running admin functions like that to find the size of the network? | 11:24 |
| janders | it's only FDR10 on this box, so the result is only 4.5GB/s but it does demonstrate end-to-end RDMA connectivity between baremetals and VMs | 11:24 |
| janders | not yet - we still haven't deployed the SecureHost firmware | 11:24 |
| janders | I hope that the current version will help to a degree and I am intending to work with MLNX to improve baremetal security further | 11:25 |
| janders | it's a little tricky with SecureHost and OEM firmware. Some tough conversations to be had with the OEM :) | 11:25 |
| oneswig | Do you have a solution for reducing the number of hypervisors? | 11:25 |
| janders | this is a very good question. The answer is no - this is totally hand-raulic at this stage. | 11:26 |
| janders | SRIOV will only make it tricker as evac-like functionality won't help much here | 11:26 |
| oneswig | that nice word again :-) | 11:26 |
| janders | :) | 11:26 |
| janders | I expect we'll need to write custom tools for that | 11:27 |
| oneswig | Anything from Mlnx on migration with SR-IOV? | 11:27 |
| janders | it will also be good to see how interested other ironic users are - perhaps we can start an upstream discussion about adding better support for this mode of operation | 11:27 |
| janders | I think there's value in this | 11:27 |
| janders | regarding migration - cold migration should now work | 11:28 |
| janders | live migration - if it ever happens - won't be any time soon | 11:28 |
| janders | that's what I keep hearing | 11:28 |
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| janders | now - I would like to go back to your question about vxlan and non-SRIOV comms | 11:28 |
| janders | I actually do need this for some use cases | 11:29 |
| verdurin | Afternoon | 11:29 |
| janders | yet the SDN does not support vxlan when SDN/IB is used | 11:29 |
| janders | Good afternoon :) | 11:29 |
| janders | however, running baremetal/SDN we have a very large degree of flexibility | 11:29 |
| janders | if you look at slide 18, you will see there are actually few more nodes I didn't show before (cause I filtered by internalapi network membership ) | 11:30 |
| janders | there are four more nodes (controller + 3 computes) which are running a separate sub-system that supports vxlan and fully virtualised networking | 11:30 |
| martial__ | (I think one of the tool defenitely needs to be called "handrauler") | 11:30 |
| janders | in this case, vxlan traffic is carried over IPoIB | 11:31 |
| janders | martial__: :) | 11:31 |
| janders | by adding this capability to the system, we can: 1) achieve very high VM density 2) run workloads that either don't care about IB or don't work nicely with it | 11:32 |
| janders | please look at slides 20&21 and you will see we're running 200VMs per hypervisor | 11:32 |
| janders | we can probably go higher density but need more modern hardware (more RAM and NVMes) | 11:33 |
| janders | going forward, I aim to remove this IB/non-IB distinction and have one integrated system that will do baremetal, SRIOV VMs and non-SRIOV VMs | 11:34 |
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| janders | however we'll need to enhance the SDN layer for that to be possible | 11:34 |
| oneswig | janders: what patches are you carrying currently for this? | 11:35 |
| janders | for the elastic hypervisors, literally none | 11:35 |
| janders | there are some outstanding ones that I need for baremetal+SDN/IB | 11:35 |
| janders | but there are fewer and fewer as RHAT and MLNX fix things up | 11:36 |
| janders | for elastic hypervisor it's all in the architecture/configuration | 11:36 |
| janders | and that's mostly runtime | 11:36 |
| oneswig | Is the same concept directly transferrable to a baremetal ethernet system? | 11:37 |
| janders | I believe so | 11:38 |
| janders | do you know if the SDN in eth mode supports vxlan? | 11:38 |
| janders | from the fact that it's picking up requests for vxlan ports in IB mode, I suppose so however I haven't researched this in detail as I don't have SDN capable eth kit yet | 11:39 |
| oneswig | If you're thinking of the Mellanox SDN driver, I don't know. I believe the hardware does so I'd guess yes | 11:39 |
| janders | if ethernet SDN doesnt support vxlan, presenting networks to VMs might be tricky (I'm utilising very specific IB features to do this) | 11:40 |
| janders | overall I am very happy with the flexibility we get by running our hypervisors on bare-metal SDN system | 11:41 |
| oneswig | Good point - the Ethernet port would have to be trunk, Ironic sets up access | 11:41 |
| janders | and it's a great demonstrator for the API-driven datacentre idea which we're heading towards | 11:41 |
| oneswig | Are there issues with exposing the Internal API network? I guess it's only exposed to a specific internal project? | 11:41 |
| janders | no - it's a private network | 11:41 |
| janders | [root@supercloud03 ~(keystone_admin)]# openstack network show internalapi | grep -i shared | shared | False | [root@supercloud03 ~(keystone_admin)]# | 11:42 |
| martial__ | Am interested in the idea of moving this to an ethernet solution as well | 11:43 |
| janders | from users perspective its invisible: | 11:43 |
| janders | [root@supercloud03 ~(keystone_sigdemo)]# openstack network show internalapi | grep -i shared Error while executing command: No Network found for internalapi [root@supercloud03 ~(keystone_sigdemo)]# | 11:43 |
| oneswig | How does that work? Your hypervisor is an instance, but not within a project, but is accessing pkeys for tenant networks private to that project | 11:43 |
| janders | the hypervisor has the pkeys mapped to its GUID in a non-zero index | 11:44 |
| janders | index zero is internalapi pkey | 11:44 |
| janders | it then maps the index of the private project pkey the VM is in to index zero of the VM | 11:44 |
| janders | or, I should say, the index zero of the vf | 11:45 |
| janders | pf and vfs have separate pkey tables | 11:45 |
| janders | does this make sense? | 11:45 |
| oneswig | yes thanks. | 11:45 |
| janders | it's a bit like having an eth port with a dynamic set of tagged VLANs | 11:46 |
| janders | and uplinking it to ovs | 11:46 |
| oneswig | From a policy perspective I guess it's no different from an admin having visibility of project networks. | 11:46 |
| janders | if VLAN x is configured on the upstream switch, an OVS port in VLAN x will be able to access it | 11:46 |
| janders | sort of | 11:46 |
| janders | hypervisor just controls the middle layer | 11:47 |
| janders | SDN makes sure that only the hypervisors running VMs in that pkey have access to the pkey | 11:47 |
| janders | with ethernet/baremetal, if SDN supports vxlan and trunks I think it's possible to have full feature parity with VMs/vxlan from the networking perspective | 11:48 |
| janders | personally, I really want to run this on the full-virt part of the system: | 11:49 |
| janders | https://github.com/snowjet/os-inception | 11:49 |
| janders | it's a set of playbooks I wrote some time back at RHAT that automate deployment of fully featured HA OpenStack in OpenStack VMs | 11:49 |
| janders | great for ensuring each team member has a realistic R&D env | 11:50 |
| janders | with zero possibility of people stepping on each others toes | 11:50 |
| janders | it's heaps easier to run playbooks like this without worrying if things will figure out that ib0=eth0 and no, ib0 can't be put on an ovs bridge | 11:50 |
| martial__ | leaving the slides up afterward? I am hoping a couple people will be able to take a peek at them | 11:51 |
| janders | martial__: sure, no worries | 11:51 |
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| janders | so - being mindful of time - this is pretty much everything I have | 11:52 |
| oneswig | Very cool project janders | 11:52 |
| oneswig | Thanks for sharing. | 11:52 |
| janders | do you guys have any more questions? | 11:52 |
| janders | oneswig: thank you and youre most welcome | 11:52 |
| oneswig | It moves smoothly into our other topic... | 11:52 |
| oneswig | ... will you also talk about it at the Berlin SIG BoF? | 11:52 |
| oneswig | :-) | 11:52 |
| janders | I would be very happy to | 11:52 |
| verdurin | janders: yes, looks very interesting - thanks | 11:53 |
| janders | thank you verdurin | 11:53 |
| oneswig | #topic Berlin SIG BoF | 11:53 |
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| oneswig | #link Etherpad for BoF talks: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Berlin-Scientific-SIG-BoF | 11:53 |
| oneswig | We don't usually finalise this until the day of the event, but people are very welcome to put in talks | 11:53 |
| oneswig | I'll make sure there's a nice bottle of quality German wine for the winner :-) | 11:54 |
| verdurin | My advice to the winner is to drink it quickly | 11:55 |
| oneswig | ... I suspect there's a story behind that | 11:55 |
| oneswig | ok, we are running close to time | 11:56 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 11:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 11:56 | |
| oneswig | What's new? | 11:56 |
| dh3 | janders, I am curious about any tooling you have to move a machine between roles "bare metal host" to "hypervisor" - do you integrate with whatever your deployment system is? (TripleO, openstack-ansible...?) | 11:56 |
| dh3 | we (Sanger) are all-virtual, but some projects are using flavours which are basically an entire hypervisor, so placing those on bare metal seems sensible | 11:57 |
| dh3 | but scale-down/scale-up (removing/adding hypervisors) is a bit fraught so doing it on the fly seems... courageous :) | 11:58 |
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| janders_ | my connection dropped :( back now | 11:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | at the ptg folks were talking about using compose-able hardware to build a hypervisor when capacity gets tight, which sounds worse | 11:59 |
| dh3 | if you didn't see my question I can email (we are close to end time) | 11:59 |
| janders_ | dh3: I don't have any tripleo/os-ansible integration | 11:59 |
| janders_ | I do use tripleo capability filters to control scheduling though :) (--hint nodename) | 11:59 |
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| oneswig | We are alas on the hour | 12:00 |
| janders_ | thanks guys! till next time | 12:00 |
| oneswig | dh3: janders_: could continue via #scientific-wg or via email given the hour in Canberra? | 12:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks again janders_, great session | 12:00 |
| janders_ | email would be best | 12:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:01 |
| janders_ | thank you! | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 24 12:01:01 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-10-24-10.59.html | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-10-24-10.59.txt | 12:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-10-24-10.59.log.html | 12:01 |
| dh3 | I need to escape for lunch so I will email - thanks | 12:01 |
| verdurin | Thanks, bye. | 12:01 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 24 16:00:15 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:00 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (^-^*)/ | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:00 |
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| rosmaita | o/ | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | This week's agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-stein-meeting-agendas | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-stein-meeting-agendas | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | ol | 16:01 |
| yikun | hello | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Give people another minute to collect. | 16:02 |
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| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
| ganso | hello | 16:02 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: we miss the pings ;-) | 16:02 |
| walshh_ | hi | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: I know. Is it safe to do again? | 16:02 |
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| geguileo | no idea, you can always try.... };-) | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | courtesy ping: erlon tpsilva ganso patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki _alastor_ whoami-rajat yikun | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Oooh, am I still alive? | 16:03 |
| geguileo | yay!!!! | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | \o/ | 16:03 |
| geguileo | you are!! | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | maybe they turned that off? | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, I guess I can ping people again if people would like that back. | 16:04 |
| rosmaita | jungleboyj: ++ | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: And now you are on the list. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Hey buddy! | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: maybe log in with a dummy account for the ping just in case ;0 | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Lets get started. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:05 | |
| jungleboyj | First announcement Happy Birthday to _hemna or hemna Which ever gets his attention. :-) | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | I have gotten the Berlin Forum Etherpads put together: | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Berlin2018 | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Right now the etherpads are just a copy of what we put down for our proposals. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | If you have anything on the topcs: Data Service, Role in Edge Computing or User Survey Feedback. Please add something. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | Who all is going to be in Berlin? | 16:08 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | I will be. I know smcginnis will be. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Yep | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Excellent! | 16:08 |
| rosmaita | i am staying home and having a jelly doughnut | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | rosmaita: Ich be ein berlinner? ;-) | 16:08 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: I'll be there | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Yay! | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: I think is also going to be there. | 16:08 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: I think so | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, so we have at least a few of us there for the technical talks. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Otherwise I will just fake it. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Anyway, please go update the etherpads with thoughts whether you will be there or not. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | I will record the sessions like I did in Vancouver. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Does anyone want me to do hangouts for these? | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Most of the sessions are on Tuesday afternoon. | 16:11 |
| rosmaita | i'm ok with just recordings | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, if no one is jumping up and down for hangouts I won't plan to do that. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Moving on. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | I have proposed stable/rocky release 13.0.1 . | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Lots of good bug fixes backported so it will be good to get that out. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | So, I think that is all I have on for announcements. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Review of responses to User Survey Feedback | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review of responses to User Survey Feedback (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:13 | |
| jungleboyj | So, I was hoping to get some thoughts organized this week. I did not so my goal is to start getting some info into the etherpad. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BER-Cinder_User_Survey_Responses | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | Hopefully more to discuss here next week. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Volume Revert-Snapshot Follow-up | 16:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Volume Revert-Snapshot Follow-up (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:15 | |
| jungleboyj | erlon: You around? | 16:15 |
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| jungleboyj | yikun: Looks like you have actually been tackling this. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | So, a little explanation ... | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | tommylike has unfortunately been moved on to other responsibilities. | 16:16 |
| yikun | yeah, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1798503/comments/2 | 16:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1798503 in Cinder "When reverting volume to smaller snapshot size is incorrect" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Yikun Jiang (yikunkero) | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | yikun: Is going to be helping backfill his Cinder responsibilities. | 16:17 |
| yikun | : ) | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | So, a warm welcome to yikun | 16:17 |
| yikun | ha, thanks. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | Welcome. | 16:17 |
| _hemna | jungleboyj: thanks man :) | 16:17 |
| geguileo | welcome!! | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | So, it looks like we were in agreement that there is a bug and the fix is in process. | 16:18 |
| yikun | geguileo: thanks, :) | 16:18 |
| * jungleboyj sings Happy Birthday to _hemna | 16:18 | |
| smcginnis | hemna: 🎂 | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:18 |
| _hemna | :) | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yep, I think that was an oversight that we didn't prevent that from happening. We talked about preventing it during the spec review. | 16:19 |
| yikun | jungleboyj: yes, and I think @erlon know and agree it, and I find his +1 on the patch. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/611491/ Ok, see the review. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Will take a look at it. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Think it is good to go with what the Spec designed. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. So, I think we can move on. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Automate Generation of api-ref sample files in Cinder | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Automate Generation of api-ref sample files in Cinder (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:22 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/contributor/api.html#functional-tests-and-api-samples | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | I am not sure who added this topic. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | I think it might have been whoami-rajat but he doesn't seem to be here. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | I haven't looked over the link, but I think the gist of it is Nova generates api-ref samples using a job that extracts actual response bodies. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | If that's the proposal, I'm all for doing the same. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah. That was the goal. | 16:24 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | I think gmann was the one noting that it is something we could do. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | I didn't think anyone would have a problem with that approach. Also good to keep parity between Cinder and Nova where possible. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Just a matter of getting someone to implement it which I think whoami-rajat was going to look into. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | So, I will follow up with him. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to follow up with whoami-rajat | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Improve volume transfer records | 16:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Improve volume transfer records (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:26 | |
| smcginnis | I assume we have to manually update the parameter list with descriptions still though. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | But at least if the examples are accurate, that helps. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:27 |
| rosmaita | i like this comment, "The functional API samples tests are not the simplest thing in the world to get used to, and can be very frustrating at times when they fail in not obvious ways" | 16:27 |
| rosmaita | something to look forward to | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | *smh* | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | At least they are honest. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | yikun: Your topic. | 16:27 |
| yikun | thanks, and this spec want to add ``original_project_id`` and ``current_project_id``, ``accept`` fields to | 16:28 |
| yikun | ``transfer`` table to help admins trace the owner info and the transfer accepted info. | 16:28 |
| yikun | and the spec is just an initial draft, and some more detail needs to be completed. | 16:28 |
| yikun | If you guys are interested, you could take a look and give us some suggestion. :) | 16:28 |
| yikun | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/612866/ | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | I think that could be useful. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Sounds like something to consider to me. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | We may need to think about that data growth if we don't get rid of those records though. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Not sure how much transfers are used in some clouds, but that would grow over time. | 16:29 |
| _hemna | seems like a good idea | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Is it something that could be added to the DB cleaning process? | 16:30 |
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| jungleboyj | So, doesn't seem to be any immediate concerns. Just need to get reviews on the Spec? | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. So. | 16:32 |
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| yikun | yeah, just want your idea on it, :) | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | #action team to review the spec. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Anything else yikun ? | 16:33 |
| yikun | ok, thanks, that's all. :) | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks yikun . | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Explicit disable volume creation with multiattach=True for Ocata and Pike releases | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Explicit disable volume creation with multiattach=True for Ocata and Pike releases (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:34 | |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Your floor. | 16:34 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: thanks :) | 16:34 |
| e0ne | so, we've got multiattach released in Queens | 16:35 |
| e0ne | but there is some code in older versions too | 16:35 |
| e0ne | e.g.: | 16:35 |
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| e0ne | in pike we check multiattach capability in a shceduler | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Right. | 16:35 |
| e0ne | in ocata - everybody can pass '--allow-multiattach` flag to volume | 16:36 |
| e0ne | but we don't officially support this before Queens | 16:37 |
| e0ne | it confuse users | 16:37 |
| e0ne | they are trying to create volume for multiattach | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah. That is kind of confusing. | 16:38 |
| e0ne | and I do understand, that in ideal world everybody should upgrade their clouds to the latest version | 16:38 |
| e0ne | but it doesn't work :( | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | He he he. | 16:38 |
| geguileo | e0ne: should we just modify the client to only pass that when the server supports the microversion? | 16:38 |
| geguileo | Or is it that the API is accepting it even though the feature is not completed? | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: I don't think it is something that we want to silently ignore. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | I do remember hearing one or two users that somehow were using the multiattach flag with those older releases. I think maybe with their own hacks. | 16:39 |
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| e0ne | IMO, if we can return 400 Bad request Multiattach isn't supported until Q - it'll help users to understand what's going | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | But I don't think we have to support private hacks at the expense of confusing everyone else. | 16:40 |
| geguileo | e0ne: that sounds reasonable to me | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, I think PowerVC customers were using that. | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yeah, I think that's OK. | 16:40 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: +2 | 16:40 |
| e0ne | great to know that we're on the same page | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: I think that is good. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | And if the people who hacked it in need it they can remove that check too. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Exactly. | 16:41 |
| e0ne | I'll provide a patch for Ocata and maybe for Pike this week | 16:41 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:41 |
| geguileo | e0ne: thanks | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | Just to play devils advocate... | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Uh oh. :) | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | does that mean that any "unsupported" type/extra-spec entry should have a similair check? | 16:41 |
| e0ne | I'm afraid, that it'll affect our customers too, but It's better to get this move explicit | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: This one wasn't the extra spec approach though, right. Just the explicit flag on create. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | I think it is better to improve the user experience. | 16:42 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: TBH, I didn't dig intho tthis part for Pike yet | 16:42 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | It's the boolean parameter to the create call here - https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/block-storage/v3/index.html?expanded=create-a-volume-detail#id87 | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | We should probably improve that description. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | And by approve, I think I mean delete the whole thing. | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Loves deleting code. | 16:44 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: AFAIR, this option is already deprecated | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yes I do! | 16:44 |
| e0ne | #link https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/api/v3/volumes.py#L342 | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yeah, we just don't indicate that in the api-ref. So maybe just removing it would cause less confusion. | 16:44 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: good point, I agree with you | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | The only problem is that IIRC folks like gophercloud may be exploiting that flag in older versions... let me look | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | I think in the last major version bump of cinderclient we removed it too. | 16:45 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: I'm afraid that you're right :( | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | Ah, marked deprecated in the client - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/586296/ | 16:46 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: I just hit this issue with Ocata and Gophercloud (K8S) | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | LOL | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | good enough | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | So, how do we want to go forward here? | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | Anything we need to do for gophercloud? | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Can we gopher it? | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | https://media.giphy.com/media/vkS5sVdreVWUg/giphy.gif | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | I think it's probably ok; my only thing is going back versions and changing behaviors typically doesn't end well | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | even if it's the right thing to do | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Yeah, this is kind of iffy as far as stable policy goes. | 16:50 |
| e0ne | that's why I bring this topic to meeting before I proposed a patch | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | e0ne: so refresh my memory, what horrible fate awaits those on O that try this? | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | Good question. | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | I thought it set the property of the volume object, but didn't actually do anything. | 16:51 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: you can create a volume with multiattach=True but it wont work as expected | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | so clearly going forward we've deprecated it and should remove it clearly | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | So we don't normally remove features in stable branches. But this "feature" doesn't actually do anything, so... | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: My vote would be to log an error and leave it; if somebody is using it they can ignore the error. But removing it from old versions is out of policy IMO | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: yeah, I hear ya | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Yeah, I think you're right. | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | Ok, I'll shut up now and go with what the smart people in the room decide :) | 16:53 |
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| e0ne | :) | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | I think to follow stable policy, we need to leave it in the older releases, even if it doesn't do anything. | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | So maybe the best answer is to just make it clear that nothing is happening in the logs? | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: I'm afraid so | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:54 |
| _hemna | sounds reasonable | 16:54 |
| e0ne | ok, fair enough | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | We at least leave them bread crumbs | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | Toasty, with a hint of garlic. | 16:55 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: :) | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | Mmmmmm. | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | Outback Croutons. | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | So, I think the answer is that we add a log message that clearly indicates that the option you are using is doing nothing. | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | Everyone in agreement? | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | That works for me. | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | Do our best to improve UX without breaking policy. | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | And if someone is doing something funky downstream, they can just remove that logging. | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:57 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj, smcginnis : +1 | 16:57 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. Good. So that gets us through the agenda with 2 minutes left. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Should we wrap up a little early? | 16:58 |
| e0ne | open discussion? | 16:58 |
| * e0ne is joking | 16:59 | |
| jungleboyj | #topic open discussion | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:59 | |
| e0ne | :) | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | You have less than one minute. Go. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, thanks everyone for joining. | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Have a great week and talk to you all next week! | 16:59 |
| e0ne | see you next week | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 24 16:59:41 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-10-24-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-10-24-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
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| SotK | storyboard time! | 19:00 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Oct 24 19:00:40 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:00 |
| fungi | hey! | 19:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello! | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Long time no see :_ | 19:01 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:01 |
| SotK | #topic Migration Updates | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Migration Updates (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:01 | |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: sounds like you were having trouble with the neutron test? | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, yeah | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | I've gotten pulled away from digging into it unfortunately | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | but it seems like there's a timeout or a paging issue | 19:04 |
| SotK | I guess the failure is on the launchpad side rather than sb itself? | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | if we could modify the script to add an option to tell the loader what bug to start from (I assume they are being done numerically?) | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, yeah | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | that's my guess- the script doesn't break | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | it just stops like it isn't getting responses from the requests anymore | 19:05 |
| fungi | right, i think we likely just need some more debugging info output by the importer | 19:05 |
| SotK | yeah probably | 19:05 |
| fungi | like, query result size et cetera | 19:05 |
| SotK | I don't know enough about the launchpad api to make any better guesses | 19:06 |
| fungi | my first guess is that there is a pagination mechanism for the lp api we're not using or using incorrectly | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Me neither | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Haven't had time to dig into that yet though | 19:08 |
| SotK | any other updates? | 19:09 |
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| diablo_rojo | I don't think so. | 19:10 |
| SotK | #topic Berlin | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Berlin (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:11 | |
| SotK | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22839/storyboard-migration-the-remaining-blockers Summit Session | 19:11 |
| SotK | #undo | 19:11 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22839/storyboard-migration-the-remaining-blockers | 19:11 |
| SotK | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/berlin-2018/summit-schedule/events/22839/storyboard-migration-the-remaining-blockers Forum Session | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | So hopefully we can collect the last of the issues during that session | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | It would be good to have the spec for attachments mostly done by that point | 19:12 |
| fungi | yeah, i've started going through it and collecting my thoughts | 19:12 |
| fungi | and it's gotten a couple reviews already | 19:12 |
| SotK | I added some thoughts to it yesterday | 19:13 |
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| diablo_rojo | I saw frickler and clarkb's comments | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Havent gone back over it today | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | but I will and should have the update up by the end of the week | 19:14 |
| SotK | thanks for writing it :) | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | It was no problem :) | 19:14 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/607377/ Attachments Spec | 19:14 |
| SotK | hopefully the session will actually reveal the final final blockers | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | At this point most of the the things tagged with blocking migration seem pretty doable | 19:16 |
| fungi | i think the mismatch in some people wanting bucketed global priorities is going to be the next biggest blocker | 19:16 |
| SotK | yeah I fear that will be the case too | 19:16 |
| fungi | followed by followed closely by either a more newcomer-friendly bug reporting interface or milestone and branch tracking | 19:17 |
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| SotK | branch tracking will be nice and easy to solve, so I hope that comes before writing a new interface just for bug reporting | 19:19 |
| SotK | though the latter will probably be more interesting | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Not really Berlin related, but I haven't seen that conversation about priority again yet | 19:20 |
| SotK | there was some discussion on the mailing list a few weeks ago | 19:20 |
| SotK | starting at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-September/135030.html | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah but it didn't involve the Octavia people that were concerned I don't think..? | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | So they might still have concerns. | 19:21 |
| SotK | it didn't as far as I am aware | 19:21 |
| SotK | but I suspect the concerns are similar | 19:21 |
| fungi | i have a feeling the bug reporting interface could just be a "special" dumbed-down view in the webclient | 19:21 |
| fungi | with its own base url or something | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | That works | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | I am fine with that | 19:22 |
| * SotK too | 19:22 | |
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| fungi | most of the guts are already there, the main complaints are that the current interface offers too many choices with no clear walkthrough path, and uses unfamiliar terminology | 19:22 |
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| SotK | makes sense | 19:25 |
| SotK | I can see a simpler UI being useful | 19:25 |
| SotK | #topic Story Attachments | 19:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Story Attachments (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:25 | |
| SotK | I think we've basically already covered this, but anyway | 19:26 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/607377/ Attachments Spec | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Comments from interested parties who haven't already commented :) | 19:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think thats all for now on this topic | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | we can move on to in progress work | 19:28 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress Work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:28 | |
| fungi | i think the way it's trying to support attachments for private stories is more complicated than it needs to be, but haven't finished formulating my recommendation yet | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, you can take another day or so to think about it if you need and I can hold off on updates until later Thursday or Friday | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | So I tried to clean up that original board | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | And I also made a dashboard thingy | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Wondered if there were other things we needed to track on the dashboard besides the blocking things and low hanging fruit (for any newcomers) | 19:31 |
| SotK | nothing else comes immediately to mind | 19:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool | 19:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Did I miss anything on the actual work tracker? | 19:34 |
| diablo_rojo | the patch you pushed the other day I dont think has tasks in the review column | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | but I can fix that | 19:35 |
| SotK | yeah I sent a patch for https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003650 at last | 19:35 |
| SotK | but other than that I don't think so | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | I assigned the task to you since you pushed a patch for it. | 19:36 |
| SotK | thanks | 19:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Do we want to talk about action plan for what happened with Fatema's patch? | 19:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Was that last week already/ | 19:37 |
| diablo_rojo | ? | 19:37 |
| SotK | yeah I think that was already last week D: | 19:38 |
| SotK | I'll test the new version to see what the problem is | 19:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay cool. | 19:38 |
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| diablo_rojo | If there is anything you need from me, let me know. | 19:39 |
| SotK | will do | 19:39 |
| diablo_rojo | I think I have two patches out there for review | 19:39 |
| SotK | I also have a review backlog to work through | 19:39 |
| diablo_rojo | one for adding a page size of 1000 | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | and one for displaying emails with names | 19:40 |
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| fungi | i hope i provided sufficient explanation of the issue in a comment or commit message on the revert, but if it's vague please let me know and i can try to dig up some more info | 19:41 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, anything in particular you want us to review? | 19:42 |
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| SotK | I only really have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/612778/ that needs reviewing | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Looks like this never merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555397/ | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, can do | 19:44 |
| SotK | it'd be good to get it merged so people don't keep hitting that same bug | 19:44 |
| SotK | anything else in progress? | 19:45 |
| diablo_rojo | Not that I know of... | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Thhings have been a little slow lately | 19:46 |
| SotK | yeah, sorry about that | 19:47 |
| diablo_rojo | No knocking you at all SotK :) I've been working on other things too. Also had a work trip in there. | 19:48 |
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| SotK | heh I know, I just haven't been as productive as I'd like recently | 19:49 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:49 |
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| fungi | we all get busy and have lots going on. no need to apologize! | 19:50 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, neither have I if its any consolation | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Sad you won't be in Berlin either SotK | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | any chance you can hangout in? Or I can just take extensive notes. | 19:51 |
| SotK | not likely, I'll be in Rome and have no idea what internet if any I'll have (and also would probably prefer to just be on holiday instead) | 19:52 |
| SotK | Denver is still in my calendar though :) | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, that's alright | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | and GOOD | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | IT BETTER BE ;) | 19:53 |
| SotK | :D | 19:53 |
| fungi | have fun! and remember, when in rome... | 19:53 |
| * SotK will do | 19:53 | |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 19:54 |
| diablo_rojo | 5 min left | 19:55 |
| SotK | there should be an openstack summit in Rome sometime, I'd definitely be attending that one | 19:55 |
| * SotK has nothing more on-topic to discuss | 19:56 | |
| diablo_rojo | I would love that | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | not sure its cheap enough though? | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Never been there so idk | 19:56 |
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| SotK | probably not the cheapest place to have one, no | 19:57 |
| SotK | though I actually think Barcelona felt more expensive, but that could've just been because I was there for working rather than holidaying | 19:57 |
| diablo_rojo | I remember being sooooorely lacking in sleep that week. Thats about it. | 19:58 |
| SotK | that's pretty much my memory of most summits :D | 20:00 |
| SotK | anyway, we're out of time | 20:00 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Oct 24 20:00:17 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-10-24-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-10-24-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-10-24-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| SotK | thanks for coming! | 20:00 |
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| fungi | thanks SotK! | 20:00 |
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