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| zhiyuan | hi | 00:57 |
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| Yipei | hi | 00:57 |
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| zhiyuan | #startmeeting tricircle | 00:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 16 00:59:07 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 00:59 |
| zhiyuan | Yipei, what's the progress of new l3 networking model? | 00:59 |
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| xuzhuang | It can be done this month. | 01:01 |
| xuzhuang | the part one of new l3 networking | 01:02 |
| Yipei | i update the spec, part2 is ongoing, already tested routed network, working on setting gateway of routed network to router.. | 01:02 |
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| Yipei | i think part2 can be finished in this month, too | 01:05 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, will review it soon | 01:05 |
| zhiyuan | great! then we can have a tag on June | 01:06 |
| zhiyuan | I see the CI fails with the same scheduling problem, so I think we need to do some changes for our smoke test script | 01:07 |
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| zhiyuan | song is busy and cannot follow the fresh install test these days | 01:08 |
| zhiyuan | could you or xuzhuang do this test? I think you need to test your code in a fresh install env | 01:09 |
| xuzhuang | I can do this test | 01:10 |
| zhiyuan | thanks, just update all the related projects to the newest version(including devstack), install tricircle with devstack, and see if a VM can be successfully booted | 01:12 |
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| xuzhuang | ok | 01:12 |
| zhiyuan | hi, zhangchi | 01:12 |
| zhangchi | hi zhiyuan | 01:13 |
| zhiyuan | any updates from you? | 01:14 |
| zhangchi | Trunk plugin into driver is rewrite https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/tricircle/network/central_trunk_plugin.py | 01:15 |
| zhangchi | It's on progress now | 01:16 |
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| zhiyuan | fine, do you also spend some time on trio2o? | 01:18 |
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| zhangchi | yes The trio2o enviroment is being builted up just now | 01:20 |
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| zhiyuan | great! you can also do some configuration change to make trio2o works with tricircle | 01:22 |
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| zhangchi | by manully ok | 01:23 |
| zhiyuan | yes, first manual setup then we can try to write some automatic install script | 01:27 |
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| zhiyuan | any other topics? | 01:32 |
| zhangchi | ok Should i make it to devstack way like tricircle | 01:32 |
| zhiyuan | better to have that, so developers can easily try it | 01:34 |
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| zhiyuan | if no other topic, we can end our meeting earlier | 01:39 |
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| xuzhuang | no | 01:40 |
| Yipei | no | 01:40 |
| zhiyuan | ok, thanks for attending, bye | 01:41 |
| xuzhuang | bye | 01:41 |
| zhiyuan | #endmeeting | 01:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 16 01:41:56 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-05-16-00.59.html | 01:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-05-16-00.59.txt | 01:42 |
| Yipei | bye | 01:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2018/tricircle.2018-05-16-00.59.log.html | 01:42 |
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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting fc_sig | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 16 08:00:38 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Courtesy pings: gmann, mattoliverau, cmurphy | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Agenda | 08:01 |
| gmann | hi | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello gmann :) | 08:01 |
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| gmann | diablo_rojo: hello | 08:02 |
| diablo_rojo | How're things going? Ready for the summit? | 08:02 |
| gmann | yea, making all etherpad for QA and slides :) | 08:02 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, I can relate :) | 08:03 |
| gmann | i have flight on friday so i have only tomorrow to finish all | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Getting into a time crunch then. | 08:03 |
| gmann | yea | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | This meeting will be pretty short so you should be able to get back to prepping soon. | 08:03 |
| gmann | yup | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Will give another minute or two for anyone else to show up. | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | I know mattoliverau won't be around | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Standing items have kind of been put on hold since we are all preparing for the summit so I think I'll skip that part of the agenda today. | 08:05 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Forum Discussion planning | 08:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum Discussion planning (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:06 | |
| diablo_rojo | So we have two talks as previously stated. | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21714/drafting-requirements-for-organisations-contributing-to-open | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo | and I created an etherpad for it.. | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Reqs-for-Organisations-Contributing-to-OpenStack | 08:07 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think this will be a super interesting session. | 08:07 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hopefully we get good attendance. | 08:07 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: yea, | 08:07 |
| diablo_rojo | I keep meaning to poke the TC about it, but I have been so busy I haven't remembered. | 08:08 |
| gmann | poke again does not harm :) | 08:08 |
| diablo_rojo | If I remember during office hours | 08:09 |
| gmann | hope we get community manager also attend there and understand the developers need clearly | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | I suppose I could just ping them in the channel outside office hours | 08:09 |
| gmann | +1 | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that would be good | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Do you think there is anything else I should have on the etherpad to get us started? | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | I feel like its a pretty simple conversation- doesn't need much into | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | intro | 08:10 |
| gmann | how about few of the requirement to list there which we collected during forum ideas | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | I added the link to that etherpad | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | so its all there | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Will probably review that stuff during the brief intro to get the ball rolling | 08:11 |
| gmann | link? i cannot find | 08:11 |
| gmann | you mean on main eteghpad | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Contributing_Organization_Guide | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | That one? | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Or you want the other fc sig specific brainstorming one? | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FC_SIG_Rocky_Forum | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | ? | 08:13 |
| gmann | i think both should be fine as background link. | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Will add the second one | 08:13 |
| gmann | thanks. | 08:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Shall we move onto the second session we have? | 08:15 |
| gmann | yea | 08:15 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21712/first-contact-sig-operator-inclusion | 08:15 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FC-SIG-Ops-Inclusion | 08:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | I figured we would walk through things and do a state of the union before jumping into the Operator specific stuff | 08:16 |
| gmann | looks good | 08:17 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: did we published this on ops ML also? | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | I really really really hope we get some operator perspectives in on that one. | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, no actually I haven't | 08:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Did you want to do that? | 08:17 |
| gmann | yea that will be good to get their attention and reminder | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, that would be super helpful if you're willing to do that :) | 08:18 |
| gmann | diablo_rojo: sure. I ll send tonight | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, awesome thank you!! | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, will you be able to make it to both sessions? | 08:20 |
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| gmann | i think so but let me check again, i think i had conflict for one | 08:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | We will take good notes regardless. | 08:21 |
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| gmann | sure, i am good for ops one but need to check for contributor req also and should be ok | 08:22 |
| diablo_rojo | No worries if you can't make it. | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Open Discussion | 08:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:23 | |
| diablo_rojo | That covers all the important things for now | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | I will make note on the wiki that next week is cancelled | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | cause of the summit | 08:23 |
| gmann | yea | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else we need to discuss? | 08:24 |
| gmann | nothing from me. | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Well then, consider this meeting adjourned! | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks for coming gmann :) | 08:25 |
| gmann | yea. | 08:25 |
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| gmann | thanks and gn | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | See you in a few days! | 08:25 |
| gmann | see you | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 08:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 08:25 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 16 08:25:35 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-05-16-08.00.html | 08:25 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-05-16-08.00.txt | 08:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-05-16-08.00.log.html | 08:25 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | not sure whether there are some FEMDC folks here but just in case we are starting the meeting our #edge-computing-group | 15:06 |
| ad_ri3n_ | s/our/on | 15:06 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 16 16:00:16 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut lseki | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| ganso | hello | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:00 |
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| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| walshh | hi | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (¬_¬)ﾉ | 16:01 |
| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-rocky-meeting-agendas | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Thank you. :-) | 16:02 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: you are welcome:) | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. Lets get started. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| jungleboyj | Not a lot to announce. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Just that we don't have a meeting next week due to the Summit. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Hope to see many of you there and for those of you who aren't there, enjoy the hour back. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:04 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:04 |
| xyang | hi | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | I suppose one other announcement is that we need to be cognizant of the fact the Milestone 2 come pretty quickly after the summit. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | I will cover that a bit more in the next section. | 16:05 |
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| e0ne | there is about 3 weeks left until rocky-2 milesone | 16:06 |
| e0ne | * milestone | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Yep. Week of June 04 | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://releases.openstack.org/rocky/schedule.html | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Getting close for new drivers. | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Rocky Priorities Review | 16:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rocky Priorities Review (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:07 | |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks, that was the next thing I wanted to look at. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | New drivers. | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | We merged the NVMET driver. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | Veritas and Inspur drivers. | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | Looks like a change was pushed up for Hedvig. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | CI is still failing. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Nexenta has a +2. Lets get some eyes on that and try to merge it. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | I saw another new one out there not on the list. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | Will have to look for that. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Infortrend is not getting updated. | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | So, it looks like Nexenta is Close and Hedvig if they can get CI passing. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Would appreciate help reviewing those. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: If you can add the other one to the list it would be appreciated. | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | Any other comments on the on-going Rocky work? | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | There are a lot of drivers that should be marked as unsupported, but I haven't been able to get to that. | 16:13 |
| e0ne | :( | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, I can try to get to that as well. You have been doing a lot lately. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | So just pretending things are good for now. :) | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | Things slow down for me after the Summit. *Fingers crossed* | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | Next. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | Found it - another Inspur driver: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562977/ | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Check-in on HA development progress | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Check-in on HA development progress (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:14 | |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: You rock. Thanks! | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Any news? | 16:15 |
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| geguileo | jungleboyj: nop | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Sadness. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. I know one of these weeks I am going to ping you and you are going surprise me. ;-) | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Cinder Forum Sessions | 16:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder Forum Sessions (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:16 | |
| jungleboyj | So, who all is going to be at the summit next week? | 16:16 |
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| e0ne | jungleboyj: I'll be there all week | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Me too | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Good news! | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | xyang: Will be there. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | I know eharney is a no. | 16:17 |
| ganso | erlon and tpsilva will be there | 16:17 |
| eharney | right | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | walshh: You? | 16:17 |
| xyang | yes, I'll be there | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: is also a no. :-( | 16:18 |
| walshh | not me | 16:18 |
| e0ne | :( | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | walshh: Bummer. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | ganso: Not you? | 16:18 |
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| ganso | jungleboyj: nope :\ | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | I think jgriffith is going as well. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | ganso: bummer. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Away from that tangent. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | I now have etherpads created for the Cinder related forum sessions. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | I hope that those of you who are there will be able to attend. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | For everyone, please take time to put thoughts and questions into those etherpads. | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: Please put anything you want discussed in there please. | 16:22 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: I'll do it before the end of the week | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Thank you. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | #action geguileo to put notes in HA etherpad. | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: You also had comments on the placement service too. Right? | 16:23 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: yup, I though we were talking about that one XD | 16:23 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj, geguileo: I think, we'll add some things after placement discussion too | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: Ok, please add notes to both of those. | 16:24 |
| geguileo | will do | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Do you want me to try to set up a hangout for you to join? | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | I think that is more of a general question actually. Anyone who can be at the forum feel they would try to join if I did a hangout? | 16:25 |
| * jungleboyj hears crickets | 16:26 | |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: I listened all hangouts when I wasn't able to join mid-cyles. it was useful for me | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:27 |
| Swanson | If I remember the summit is going on I usually listen to them. | 16:27 |
| e0ne | Swanson: :) | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Given the format of the Forum I think I will just do audio. I will bring my puck and do a hangout. | 16:28 |
| Swanson | So long as it is on a network that works, Mr. J. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | That sound good to everyone? | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Swanson: Seriously? | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | :D | 16:28 |
| Swanson | It has only been like 4 years. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | I guess that thingee and Duncan and Kurt have passed the torch to Swanson | 16:28 |
| Swanson | And I wasn't even there. | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | Swanson: Yeah. That is the worst part. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, I guess that is all I have there. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Please add notes to the etherpad. I will do a hangout for those who want to join. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Cinder dinner at the Summit | 16:31 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder dinner at the Summit (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:31 | |
| jungleboyj | Would people be interested in doing a dinner? | 16:31 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | This time I hope we don't get messed up by a snow storm and/or have the restaurant run out of food and beer. | 16:31 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:31 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: what about trains? | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Would Tuesday be an agreeable night for those interested? | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | Hopefully works for me. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: I am hoping for no catastrophe! | 16:33 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:33 |
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| xyang | I'm not sure about my schedule yet, but I'd like to join if possible | 16:33 |
| e0ne | it would be a good time for my story about 3 days-long Dublin-Kharkiv trip | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. I am looking at doing https://www.elephantcastle.com/marine_bldg | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Oh yes. I would like to find out how that all wokred out. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Didn't we go there last time? Looks familiar. | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Did we? | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | Maybe not. Looks good though, so sounds like a good plan to me. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. How about I put together an etherpad for people interested to sign up? | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR18-cinder-dinner | 16:37 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: I think, it was a rhetorical question | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | I will send a note to the mailing list to get attention from others. | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | Will make a reservation maybe Sunday based on the number of people who sign up. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. That was all I had for topics today. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:40 | |
| jungleboyj | Is there anything else that people want to discuss? | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | Guess not. :) | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | As it would appear. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Thank you for joining the meeting. | 16:42 |
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| jungleboyj | Look forward to seeing some of you next week. Otherwise, we will meet again in 2 weeks. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks everyone! | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 16 16:43:14 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-05-16-16.00.html | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-05-16-16.00.txt | 16:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-05-16-16.00.log.html | 16:43 |
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| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 16 19:01:18 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:01 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:01 |
| SotK | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
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| SotK | LOCI migrated! | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Yay! | 19:02 |
| SotK | also, forum session is soon | 19:04 |
| SotK | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/continuing-the-migration-lp-sb | 19:04 |
| diablo_rojo | I think its Monday? | 19:04 |
| * diablo_rojo is having issues keeping track of when all the things are | 19:04 | |
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| SotK | yeah I think its on Monday | 19:05 |
| SotK | would you like me to call in somehow? | 19:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | Is it at a time that you could? | 19:05 |
| SotK | I believe so yeah | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | I can bring my bluetooth speaker/mic and try to set up something | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool | 19:06 |
| * diablo_rojo goes to add speaker/mic to packing list | 19:06 | |
| SotK | excellent :) | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | I'll probably set up a google hangout | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | and hopefully the room is acoustically not terrible | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | You should add things to the etherpad that you want us to discuss | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi too if you have time :) | 19:08 |
| SotK | will do | 19:08 |
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| fungi | oh, hey! | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | depending on fatema's schedule maybe she can join the hangout too | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, hello :) | 19:10 |
| fungi | i missed my reminder. was deep into writing up some governance changes | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, sounds like fun :) | 19:10 |
| fungi | SotK: if it helps, my calendar says the storyboard forum session is 20:30-21:10 utc | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Gonna be late for fatema I think. She is a few hours ahead of you if I recall | 19:11 |
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| SotK | yeah, that matches my memory of the time | 19:11 |
| SotK | I think it will be pretty late for fatema | 19:11 |
| fungi | well, we'll be taking notes in the aforementioned pad, and sending a summary to the list afterward | 19:12 |
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| diablo_rojo | Indeed we will | 19:12 |
| SotK | indeed | 19:12 |
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| SotK | #topic Migration Updates | 19:13 |
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| diablo_rojo | Not a ton of progress since last week. | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Stopped poking at people until after the Summit | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | But there is the TripleO thread | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds like they want to go around M2 | 19:13 |
| SotK | nice, it'll be good to get TripleO fully migrated | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah it will. | 19:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think that will really help us get migration setup as a release goal | 19:15 |
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| SotK | hopefully | 19:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | I revived the file locally and updated it. Pushed a patch for setting up the S goals directory and once that gets merged I will push the proposal for it | 19:16 |
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| fungi | keystone is still expressing interest too, right? | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, correct | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Just havent gotten around to doing their test migration | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | might have some time tomorrow | 19:17 |
| fungi | were they the ones we asked to ping us again after the summit? | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes they were | 19:17 |
| fungi | cool, was afraid i was starting to lose track | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Thats what the board is for ;) | 19:18 |
| fungi | heh | 19:18 |
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| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:21 |
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| SotK | I fixed some more of the deployment, only to find more broken bits | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Every little bit helps | 19:21 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568934/ | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I just pushed the puppet-storyboard patch | 19:21 |
| SotK | that should fix the last bit | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that one lol | 19:22 |
| SotK | well, there's also the bug where currently the build output gets uploaded to tarballs.o.o along with the tarball, but that isn't actively blocking the deployment | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Just ugly | 19:22 |
| SotK | (that's because our build output goes in dist/, and the job expects that dist/ is a freshly created directory) | 19:23 |
| SotK | (I think anyway) | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | I can see that happening | 19:24 |
| SotK | when that puppet patch is merged we should merge some of our many outstanding patches | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | I think a lot of things are just waiting on a second +2. | 19:25 |
| SotK | indeed, I'll go through and vote on the ones that aren't mine that I've yet to vote on to help with that | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Sweet. I think that will get things moving a lot. | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | I think the only open patch I have is about adding text to the private checkbox on stories | 19:27 |
| fungi | i'll see about getting 568934 in shortly | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, awesome | 19:27 |
| SotK | thanks fungi | 19:27 |
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| SotK | I have these waiting for more reviews, https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:project-name-in-url+status:open | 19:28 |
| * diablo_rojo goes to review now | 19:29 | |
| SotK | anything else in progress to raise? | 19:30 |
| fungi | oh, can't remember if i said, but i noticed google is indeed indexing stories on storyboard.openstack.org | 19:31 |
| fungi | our default robots.txt doesn't disallow anything | 19:31 |
| fungi | so that to do item is basically done ;) | 19:32 |
| fungi | and will get much better after mordred finishes his angularjs uplift | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Nice. | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Awesome! | 19:32 |
| mordred | yes. sorry - that's languishing | 19:32 |
| fungi | but searches there already turn up stories | 19:32 |
| SotK | excellent! | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | I was just about to ask how we speed up indexing, but nevermind :) | 19:32 |
| mordred | I also owe similar patches to storyboard | 19:32 |
| mordred | I paged js out of working RAM to do some other tasks and need to page it back in and finish that work | 19:33 |
| fungi | mordred: you mean to zuul? | 19:33 |
| mordred | both | 19:33 |
| mordred | I owe patches to both projects | 19:33 |
| fungi | right-o | 19:33 |
| fungi | that'll be amazing once it's in. the server-side js rendering capability sounds extremely useful beyond just search engine indexing | 19:34 |
| SotK | yep, I'm looking forward to those patches | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, did that icons/fontawesome issue get resolved that was found at the PTG? | 19:35 |
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| diablo_rojo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548243 reminded me of it | 19:35 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: as to why they're disappearing? I don't think so | 19:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Hrmm | 19:36 |
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| SotK | but I feel like I've seen recent builds have the icons present, so I guess its just a bug with the pre-merge stuff | 19:37 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I definitely have seen them in the dev and on the real site lately | 19:38 |
| diablo_rojo | So idk what happened there exactly. | 19:38 |
| diablo_rojo | Do we have progress on any of Octavia's things? | 19:39 |
| SotK | I had a mess around over the weekend with some ideas about a "user profile" kind of thing to show a user's created stories and such | 19:42 |
| SotK | (point 7) | 19:42 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh cool. | 19:42 |
| SotK | its not really anything usable yet though | 19:42 |
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| SotK | other than that I don't think so | 19:42 |
| diablo_rojo | I'm revieiwing the patch you put on point number 1 | 19:42 |
| diablo_rojo | Will take a bit to test though. | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Once the puppet-storyboard change goes through, that should clear a few of theses things up as the code is there, the site just isnt up to date with it. | 19:44 |
| SotK | yeah, I think that will help quite a bit | 19:45 |
| SotK | actually updating storyboard.o.o I mean | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | *fingers crossed* | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | 14 min left btw | 19:46 |
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| fungi | it got approved ~10 minutes ago, so will be taking effect within the next half hour probably | 19:49 |
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| fungi | i'll try to keep an eye on it in case it results in an emergency of some variety | 19:49 |
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| SotK | cool, I'll also be somewhat around in case of disasters | 19:50 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:50 |
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| diablo_rojo | Awesome. | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | 5 min | 19:55 |
| diablo_rojo | All I got is a reminder to add things to the forum discussion etherpad | 19:55 |
| diablo_rojo | :) | 19:55 |
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| SotK | oh, I guess no meetin next week because of the forum | 19:57 |
| SotK | meeting* | 19:57 |
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| fungi | yeah, probably better to plan to skip it | 19:57 |
| diablo_rojo | +1 | 19:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks for leading SotK! | 19:58 |
| diablo_rojo | I'll try to get the hangout ready and going a few min early so that we can make sure all the sound is okay and whatnot | 19:59 |
| SotK | sounds good | 19:59 |
| SotK | shall I attempt to find a webcam somewhere? | 19:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Only if you want people to see you. | 19:59 |
| diablo_rojo | And by people I mean just me lol | 20:00 |
| SotK | haha, ok then | 20:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Just a good mic on a pair of decent headphones I think | 20:00 |
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| SotK | that is easy enough | 20:00 |
| SotK | right, we're out of time | 20:00 |
| SotK | thanks folks! | 20:00 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 16 20:00:55 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-05-16-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-05-16-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-05-16-19.01.log.html | 20:01 |
| fungi | thanks SotK! | 20:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks again! | 20:01 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 16 21:00:31 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | acoles: clayg: timburke: ? | 21:01 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ? | 21:01 |
| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau is out this week, right? | 21:02 |
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| timburke | o/ | 21:02 |
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| kota_ | i have no idea about mattoliverau | 21:03 |
| notmyname | clayg: are you here? | 21:03 |
| notmyname | I think I heard that from acoles | 21:03 |
| acoles | IIR mattoliverau is on vacation | 21:03 |
| clayg | woooo! | 21:04 |
| notmyname | all right, let's get started | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:04 |
| notmyname | agenda this week is feature/deep-review (no surprise to anyone) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | first question: where are we? acoles and timburke and clayg, can you give us an update of the state of the branch, the reviews, and the testing? | 21:05 |
| clayg | testing is going great - timburke says I need to do more stuff from the API - but this cluster was so jacked - i'm just happy to see container api requests not like 404ing and some indication that it might eventually have a chance at accurate up to date listings | 21:06 |
| notmyname | large and giant containers have been sharded. child DBs have been sharded. idle DBs have been sharded. active DBs have been sharded (right, clayg?) | 21:06 |
| clayg | starting... Friday I think we can re-package and start some testing in a different cluster we've been loading up that is running on SSD's - so it's in not quite such a terrible state - I'm thinking about how to further quantify correctness validation | 21:06 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah all that! | 21:07 |
| clayg | you name it we shard it - if it's big and on HDD's we know what to do - works a treat! | 21:07 |
| notmyname | timburke: any extra color-commentary to add to that? | 21:07 |
| clayg | there's been a couple of issues we had to square last week - but it's all on the review branch now | 21:07 |
| timburke | i'm pretty happy with my review of 2 of the 8; i've at least gotten through almost all of the third patch | 21:07 |
| notmyname | clayg: nice (all the updates on the review branch) | 21:08 |
| clayg | the only stuff we're hittting now have to do with the SwiftStack management interface and monitoring - boring | 21:08 |
| timburke | there are a ton of tests -- which is great! but means reviewing can take a while | 21:08 |
| notmyname | acoles: how are you feeling about it? | 21:08 |
| acoles | as timburke says the first 2 of 8 patches seem to be ok, with +2's | 21:08 |
| timburke | there were some definite troubles with the client api, but i think acoles has started working on it, so i'm sure it'll be great Real Soon Now | 21:09 |
| notmyname | timburke: tell me more. do we obviously break the API with the current state of the feature? | 21:09 |
| acoles | I have a backlog of comments to address on other patches, and I'm sure there wil be more | 21:09 |
| timburke | as of yesterday, delimiter queries could trip a 500 | 21:09 |
| notmyname | could? or would? | 21:10 |
| acoles | I hope this will help with that https://review.openstack.org/568930 | 21:10 |
| patchbot | patch 568930 - swift (feature/deep-review) - SQUASH: handle delimiter listings in proxy | 21:10 |
| timburke | could, iirc. if the last item was a subdir | 21:10 |
| acoles | that ^^ | 21:10 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:10 |
| timburke | there are also some efficiency problems with prefix or path queries | 21:11 |
| notmyname | so something more than a particular set of failures at the right time | 21:11 |
| timburke | (*and* delimiter, but that's... not so surprising, given the 500s) | 21:11 |
| timburke | notmyname: yeah, and also the sort of thing where a plain old /v1/a/c?delimiter=/ request would almost certainly trip it | 21:12 |
| notmyname | yeah, that's not good | 21:12 |
| notmyname | I'm inclined to downplay efficiency issues with listing billion-row containers 10k at a time | 21:13 |
| notmyname | but I want to make sure that's not simply because I want the feature to be on master asap | 21:13 |
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| torgomatic | I think that makes sense. 500s are obviously bad, but if something is kind of slow (only on sharded containers), then that can be sped up later | 21:14 |
| timburke | idk, one of the next queries after that could be /v1/a/c?delimiter=/&prefix=zzz/ and i don't want to hit a couple hundred containers to find the *one* that actually has a chance at giving me data | 21:15 |
| timburke | maybe it could be a fast-follow, though | 21:15 |
| notmyname | timburke: acoles: is "there are some api issues that need to be squashed in now and some possible performance issues that could be addressed after" an accurate characterization of what current testing has revealed? | 21:16 |
| timburke | sure | 21:16 |
| notmyname | kota_: m_kazuhiro: rledisez: does that make sense to you so far? | 21:16 |
| kota_ | ok | 21:17 |
| m_kazuhiro | +1 | 21:18 |
| rledisez | notmyname: yes. just to clear up a doubt. the performance issue is only related to sharded container, there is no impact at all on "normal" containers, right? | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | I wouldn't see how it could impact non-sharded containers, but acoles/timburke, please confirm | 21:19 |
| timburke | yup. my particular concern is limited to sharded containers | 21:19 |
| timburke | and more generally, acoles has done a great job of trying to make sure that non-sharded containers shouldn't get any *worse* | 21:19 |
| notmyname | rledisez: I'm sure you have users with huge container DBs, right? | 21:20 |
| acoles | IIUC yes. but I'd hope we're all looking hard at that in review i.e. that unsharded is not impacted | 21:20 |
| rledisez | yes, our recordman reached 1 billions objects on one container before understanding it couldn't work anymore ;) | 21:20 |
| clayg | rledisez: !!! | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ok, here's my pre-typed thoughts/summary question... | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | we've been talking about this feature for a very long time. We've discussed it and designed it as a group. It's had focused attention from many people for the past six months. during the last month, it's been continuously updated by 4 devs. The feature has been well-tested in lab environments at different scales. At what point do we say we want to have this on master, and available to users, instead | 21:21 |
| notmyname | of in gerrit as a proposal? | 21:21 |
| clayg | notmyname: I'm at that point | 21:21 |
| notmyname | in other words, what else do we need to do before we merge it? | 21:22 |
| clayg | having it in gerrit sucks - i want to ship it | 21:22 |
| clayg | oh... that's a good question | 21:22 |
| notmyname | from what I've heard, merging the delimiter fix is pretty important | 21:22 |
| clayg | I think we just need to click something on a web interface? | 21:22 |
| notmyname | clayg: lol | 21:22 |
| notmyname | clayg says, "I don't understand. just click the buttons in gerrit. why is this taking so long?" ;-) | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | kota_: what are your thoughts? | 21:24 |
| timburke | i'd like to get a full look at all the patches like i'd done with encryption, but that may take longer than anyone would like | 21:24 |
| timburke | it's a *lot* of code | 21:24 |
| acoles | there's some issues raised by reviewers that have not been addressed yet, I have them tracked on trello. be useful to know if any are considered s blockers. I do not want it to seem they are ignored. | 21:25 |
| kota_ | i'm with timburke's opinion but exactly it takes longer term we expected before the review-branch proposed. | 21:25 |
| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/z6oKKI4Q/container-sharding | 21:25 |
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| kota_ | loger than, | 21:25 |
| kota_ | longer | 21:26 |
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| clayg | longer is ok - I know notmyname was hoping to have it done before Vancouver - but if we think there's value in another week of pre-merge review that's ok | 21:28 |
| clayg | another way to look at is we merge it and do an `rc` kind of thing | 21:28 |
| notmyname | let me slightly rephrase then. kota_ and timburke, what will you be looking for (if you had infinite time) in the rest of the review branch that would make you think we shouldn't merge it? | 21:28 |
| clayg | continue doing the "review" + test + fixups without a big freeze and gerrit train wreck | 21:28 |
| notmyname | or maybe you're already in a "shouldn't merge yet" state, and you're looking to be convinced of why to merge it? | 21:29 |
| clayg | I'm going to be doing testing right up until we ship it - if I find something this week vs. next week it's not much difference to me | 21:29 |
| kota_ | notmyname: on the meaning, I didn't find significant problem on the review-branch so might be ok to land it as -rc as clayg said. | 21:29 |
| clayg | whatever is easier to manage - i'm already packaging off the feature-deep so I can do testing beyond what i'm already done on my laptop and saio in dev | 21:30 |
| notmyname | yes, my hope an dream is that we'll be able to send it to the gerrit merge queue by the end of this week (ie my friday evening). that way I can tag a release on monday and talk about that at the summit next week | 21:30 |
| notmyname | instead of an -rc release, I'd prefer to do a 2.18.0 and follow-up with .1 (etc) as needed | 21:32 |
| notmyname | it's easy to make releases | 21:32 |
| * clayg shrugs | 21:32 | |
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| zaitcev | not 2.17.95, 2.17.99? | 21:33 |
| notmyname | acoles: what are your thoughts? | 21:33 |
| clayg | zaitcev: yeah my packages are still 2.17.XXX | 21:33 |
| kota_ | something like saying "beta" like as we did in the past EC work? | 21:33 |
| timburke | my only real concern is that while it's proposed, there's a real and pressing need to review it, and that review catches a lot of bugs; once it lands, i know i'm unlikely to go back over whatever is actually merged with the same care -- which means we're punting to our users to discover and write up bugs for it | 21:34 |
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| clayg | timburke: valid concern - only i'm actually still going to be testing it ... but that holds true merge or no, so I'm not advocating for anything specifically beyond "let's please merge this eventually" | 21:35 |
| timburke | ah, but testing and review are separate :-) | 21:36 |
| timburke | we'll *all* be testing it to some degree, i hope | 21:37 |
| notmyname | IMO, we've tested this feature more pre-release than any other major feature we've written, and personally I can't imagine finding something to quibble about in the code that isn't a minor nit or hasn't already been found by the combined acoles clayg timburke and mattoliverau | 21:37 |
| acoles | notmyname: feels like we are light on review coverage, but its such a big change that we're not going to get it all polished in review. We need review to focus on 1. does this break unsharded? 2. things that will be a pain to change once on master 3. blockers. | 21:38 |
| acoles | notmyname: well the delimiter bug is a little scarey, and its due to functional testing not covering sharded container, plus human incompetence! | 21:39 |
| timburke | clayg always makes me think 2 is a very large set :-( | 21:39 |
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| clayg | 2 what? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | acoles: what's your opinion on how much each of these three issues have been reviewed? | 21:40 |
| timburke | "but can we just go changing a 404 to a more-correct 405?? think of the clients!" | 21:40 |
| notmyname | oh. 2 == the second thing in acoles's list | 21:40 |
| clayg | notmyname: gotcha! | 21:41 |
| notmyname | timburke says that clayg thinks "things that are a pain to change on master" is a big set | 21:41 |
| acoles | notmyname: my opinion is guided by votes on gerrit | 21:41 |
| notmyname | clayg: (I was struggling too) | 21:41 |
| notmyname | acoles: fair enough | 21:41 |
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| clayg | timburke: and it's a 400 => 405 if you're talking about the auth thing... and I'm not even advocating either way - i was just asking if we'd considered it | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | ok, back to sharding instead of auth response codes ;-) | 21:42 |
| notmyname | thank you for talking so long on this topic so far this meeting :-) | 21:42 |
| clayg | would the delim bug have been harder to fix after we merged - or just embarrassing if we hadn't caught it this early? | 21:42 |
| clayg | did it effect unsharded containers? | 21:42 |
| acoles | notmyname: I think we're ok on 1 (unsharded impact), 2. root container sysmeta still bugs me, internal APIs I hope are ok. on 3. it's the unknown unknowns ;) | 21:43 |
| clayg | I think like EC we can probably have a release that's like "sharding is new, new things take some time to harden, if there's some nasty bugs we might have to break things and we'll try to have a plan for data that migth already be out there" | 21:43 |
| clayg | kota_: suggested some kind of "beta" like EC - again I think not having auto-shard helps us here? | 21:44 |
| acoles | clayg: if https://review.openstack.org/568930 is sufficient then it wouldn't have been a big deal. I was a little worried we needed proxy to tell backend to treat markers as inclusive, but I think I convinced myself not. | 21:44 |
| patchbot | patch 568930 - swift (feature/deep-review) - SQUASH: handle delimiter listings in proxy | 21:44 |
| timburke | definitely helps | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | clayg: yep | 21:44 |
| clayg | and I'm not sure I agree with timburke about the hard line difference between review + test - I think at somepoint validating the design with real world has equal if not greater value to code reading (granted timburke is one of THE BEST code readers, and I'm not that great at it) | 21:45 |
| notmyname | personally, since there's a patch for the delimiter fix, I am 100% ok with merging the next patch chain (with the delimiter fix and addressing comments). but I'm not going to click those buttons at this point until we're all ok with maintaining this on master | 21:45 |
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| clayg | ☝️ | 21:46 |
| acoles | notmyname: I am conscious that I am now rate-limiting, to a certain extent, fixes that could be handled faster once we are on master | 21:46 |
| clayg | tdasilva: what do you think? | 21:47 |
| notmyname | I like kota_'s idea about some sort of "preview" to caution people. and clayg has good comments on that (we don't have auto-shard yet, and we'll try to have a plan for anything else) | 21:47 |
| notmyname | did tdasilva make it here today? | 21:48 |
| kota_ | notmyname: i'll take a look the rest of patches briefly and maybe ok with the maintaining at the master if not significant issue found. | 21:48 |
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| timburke | and like with encryption, i've got a running list of things that i've commented on (so at least it's written down *somewhere*), but agree with acoles that it doesn't need to block a merge to master | 21:48 |
| notmyname | I talked to tdasilva on the phone yesterday at length about this topic. he is comfortable will merging soon | 21:48 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think we need to have a decision about "are we going to decide as a community when we're going to merge this and all the caveats around that" - or are we going to NOT make that decision and just see where the review branch is at NEXT wednesday? | 21:48 |
| notmyname | NO to the second one | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | (mostly because I don't think we'll have a meeting next week) | 21:49 |
| clayg | heh | 21:49 |
| notmyname | 'cause I'll be at the summit. with several other people in here | 21:49 |
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| rledisez | "try to have a plan for anything else" is what bother's me. i'd be happy to convince customers with big containers to let me enable sharding for them. but only if i'm sure I won't be in a dead-end few weeks/months later | 21:49 |
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| clayg | notmyname: if we merge on Friday when does the 2.18 release happen? | 21:50 |
| timburke | have we ever tried to disable sharding for a reasonably large container, and have the system fix itself? seems a lot like shrinking, but with horrible cardinalities... | 21:50 |
| clayg | or maybe that second part isn't conditional on the first? | 21:50 |
| notmyname | rledisez: worst case (at this would be bad) would be some tool that migrates from a dead-end sharded schema into a clean, new DB with new goodness. yes, that's bad, but my point is that worst case still has the possibility for maintaining data integrity | 21:51 |
| notmyname | clayg: 2.18.0 release happens ASAP after sharding lands | 21:51 |
| timburke | (assuming there isn't a lurking data-loss bug in the current patches) | 21:51 |
| clayg | rledisez: you can wait to hear from us - we'll be doing sharding at customer sites like in late June | 21:52 |
| timburke | which i'm *pretty* sure isn't there... i think... | 21:52 |
| notmyname | also early june, most likely ;-) | 21:52 |
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| rledisez | that's very soon, i won't even be ready to upgrade to 2.18 ;) | 21:52 |
| clayg | notmyname: meh, well that does make "just merge it" a little heavier... | 21:52 |
| notmyname | perhaps. but "are we going to decide as a community when we're going to merge this and all the caveats around that" | 21:53 |
| notmyname | that's what I want | 21:53 |
| notmyname | as a community, we say "yes, let's merge soon (ie this week) and release" or "no, let's wait at least another week for further review" | 21:53 |
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| clayg | notmyname: right - i'm getting there - kota_ (I think somewhat reasonably) advocated for a "rc window" - basically sometime after it's on master before we ship the official 2.18 - you're saying it doesn't look like such a window exists - so I was just confirming | 21:53 |
| notmyname | ah, got it | 21:54 |
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| acoles | timburke: if we suspended new updates until sharding was complete we could simply abort sharding at any time. but with new updates going to shards, we have to shrink them back, which is likely to more painful than sharding them? | 21:54 |
| notmyname | TBH, I'm not sure if the openstack mechanics still exist for an rc release. I think it's just a number, at that point. | 21:54 |
| notmyname | 2.18.0 will also include the great improvements to multi-process replication and the s3api integration | 21:55 |
| clayg | notmyname: +1 I don't understand OpenStack RC - but for me having master be "it's awesome plus sharding" be a thing for a little while (couple weeks?) is ok by me | 21:55 |
| timburke | acoles: yeah, i was thinking about PUTing a new set of shard ranges such that everyone would/should eventually shrink back into the root. which would suck, but would be an escape hatch | 21:56 |
| clayg | notmyname: like I think it'd be cool if we say "hey feature-deep-review has been going great, thanks everyone for the reviews + test - keep it up! we'll merge on Friday and I'll go to Vancouver, when I get back the week after we'll double confirm we want to cut 2.18 of if there's a show stopper" | 21:56 |
| clayg | I'd be happy to leave the meeting with that ^ | 21:56 |
| clayg | but... dunno how it works out timeline wise | 21:57 |
| clayg | If we DON'T merge on Friday I wonder if we might as well cut 2.18 before we merge? Which is also ok with me | 21:57 |
| acoles | timburke: yep, do-able, and a mass shrink event had occurred to me as a means to finally drop all shards when a container is empty...but then there'd be no rows to move. | 21:58 |
| clayg | my next swift release is going to include container-sharding somewhat regardless | 21:58 |
| notmyname | that's a totally valid plan. the only "cost" is any social credibility or marketing benefit for saying "this is available now" vs "this will be available soon" | 21:58 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think that mostly effects you - and if you knew how to make an rc release you could say it's aviable NOW as an RC | 21:58 |
| clayg | you can say whatever you want - doesn't make the code any better - that's what we're working on - regardless of what you say ;) | 21:58 |
| notmyname | clayg: 2.18.0 is an "rc" release of 2.18.1 ;-) | 21:59 |
| clayg | *not complaining* just pointing out differences | 21:59 |
| notmyname | valid point. nothing I say next week makes the code any better or worse :-) | 21:59 |
| notmyname | kota_: rledisez: timburke: acoles: what are your thoughts? | 21:59 |
| notmyname | (I really want to finish this line of thinking before we call the meeting over) | 22:00 |
| clayg | notmyname: that's fine with me! I think some people care about openstack release numbers more than I do personally! no one thinks we shouldn't do more backports | 22:00 |
| notmyname | IIRC nobody is in this room right now | 22:00 |
| notmyname | it's not even an openstack cycle release. we'll have at least one more swift release before we do the next openstack cycle release | 22:00 |
| notmyname | we're only just now in the middle of the "rocky" release cycle | 22:01 |
| timburke | i could probably live with that -- but i know i'm unlikely to get to the sharder at this rate before merging then | 22:01 |
| * kota_ feels fair enough at the release for marketing perspective | 22:01 | |
| notmyname | timburke: live with what? | 22:01 |
| timburke | merge by friday | 22:01 |
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| rledisez | Releasing is ok for me because I know/trust you made sure there would be no regressions for non-sharded containers. sharding will have bugs, but they will get fixed :) | 22:02 |
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| notmyname | note, if someone objects to a merge or release schedule because they think it's too early, raising that objection doesn't cast you in a bad light at all. please feel free to disagree or object | 22:03 |
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| zaitcev | The stability for existing clusters was a source of strength for us. It allowed EC to phase in gradually. | 22:03 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: the interesting thing about this feature is that there's no "phase in" when it's used. it will be immediately used ont he biggest contaienrs out there (good news, though, it's not somehting that happens automatically) | 22:04 |
| notmyname | I think the question is either merge friday or wait another week for more review | 22:04 |
| notmyname | whenever the merge happens, I'd like to cut a release asap. I have a slight preference for doing all that before vancouver next week. but I am comfortable with holding off, if that's what people agree it | 22:06 |
| notmyname | s/it/to | 22:06 |
| acoles | so if you have half a day, shard a container and exercise the API, look for bugs in API. If you have a whole day, look through the *existing* modules for regressions to unsharded path. If you have 2 days..IDK, dig into the sharder daemon. | 22:06 |
| clayg | whoot! | 22:06 |
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| kota_ | thinking of reals, probably i can't make a time to review so much in the next week due to the summit attendance. | 22:06 |
| kota_ | so just another week is not so much worth to me to get it better (just to me tho). | 22:07 |
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| notmyname | ok. that's a good point | 22:07 |
| kota_ | so i don't think not so many difference to get merged this weekend or the next week end. | 22:07 |
| acoles | is mattoliverau also travelling to summit? if so i guess he's not going to have much time to review either | 22:07 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau will be at the summit | 22:07 |
| notmyname | as will cschwede | 22:07 |
| acoles | move the summit - that's the answer! ;) | 22:08 |
| notmyname | :-) | 22:08 |
| kota_ | lol | 22:08 |
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| notmyname | acoles: timburke: clayg: are you ok with planning to merge on friday? or do you want to wait another week? | 22:09 |
| notmyname | clayg: timburke: I want to make sure your previous comments hold (and I didn't misunderstand them) | 22:10 |
| notmyname | acoles: I don't think I saw an answer either way from you yet | 22:10 |
| notmyname | if you're not ok with merging friday, that's ok | 22:11 |
| acoles | notmyname: yeah, if there are +2's on every patch | 22:11 |
| kota_ | i'd just ask to m_kazuhiro i think he looked at the review branch | 22:11 |
| kota_ | m_kazuhiro: did you find any problems so far? | 22:11 |
| acoles | kota_: he did a great review ! | 22:11 |
| kota_ | acoles: :D | 22:12 |
| m_kazuhiro | I think there are no problems | 22:12 |
| kota_ | m_kazuhiro: ok | 22:12 |
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| notmyname | I'm still waiting on seeing somethign from clayg and timburke. sorry if I missed it | 22:14 |
| clayg | I'll go +2 everything Friday morning | 22:15 |
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| clayg | then yeah - let's ship it | 22:15 |
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| notmyname | lol | 22:15 |
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| notmyname | did timburke go afk? | 22:15 |
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| acoles | notmyname: he's offline on slack | 22:16 |
| timburke | hard to type, sleeping baby on my chest. let's do it! | 22:16 |
| notmyname | ah :-) | 22:16 |
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| acoles | timburke: awwww :D | 22:16 |
| timburke | i'll get as much review in as i can | 22:16 |
| notmyname | ok, we're way over time (thanks for sticking with it) | 22:17 |
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| notmyname | here's a summary, as I've understood the conversation so far | 22:17 |
| notmyname | (with some commentary) | 22:17 |
| notmyname | mostly we're all ok with what we see so far | 22:17 |
| notmyname | rledisez really doesn't want us to break prod for him, but since we haven't so far, he's pretty sure we wont' break it this time either | 22:18 |
| notmyname | timburke is doing a great job reviewing, but it will be hard/impossible for him to review all of the patches thoroughly by friday. it gets hard to review with babies on your chest | 22:18 |
| notmyname | clayg is ready to merge it yesterday | 22:18 |
| notmyname | kota_ and mattoliverau have contributed and reviewd so far and are mostly ok, but will be in canada next week. therefore another week of review time doesn't matter there | 22:19 |
| clayg | 🤞 | 22:19 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro has look at at some of the chain and done a great review, but he's mostly happy with the way things look | 22:20 |
| kota_ | and he will be in canada too | 22:20 |
| notmyname | ok | 22:20 |
| clayg | this meeting has gone hella long - I need to bounce out - but I agree with notmyname's recap and submit to the will of the greater good! Also... I'm going to ship container-sharding in a few weeks regardless, so y'all do you. ;) | 22:21 |
| notmyname | acoles is pretty nervous, because he's the primary author here and there hasn't been extensive code-reading reviews on all patch sets of all patches in the chain | 22:21 |
| notmyname | /end summary :- | 22:21 |
| notmyname | :-) | 22:21 |
| acoles | I get the blame :/ | 22:21 |
| notmyname | acoles: no! | 22:21 |
| notmyname | no blame at all | 22:21 |
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| acoles | :) | 22:21 |
| notmyname | you've got a totally reasonable position | 22:22 |
| clayg | acoles gets THE GLORY!!! | 22:22 |
| notmyname | clayg: +100 | 22:22 |
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| notmyname | acoles: but importantly, am I wrong? :-) | 22:22 |
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| notmyname | let's have a target of friday for a merge. timburke will review. we'll revisit later this week, especially in light of the next revision that includes the delimiter fix | 22:23 |
| acoles | notmyname: no, you're accurate, and I meant nervous because I get the git blame. but sorry, move on, we need to progress | 22:23 |
| notmyname | `git praise` works instead of blame, if you want a positive connotation | 22:24 |
| notmyname | and yes, we've gone way over time. thanks again | 22:24 |
| kota_ | I'll also look at the some of latter ones today to check them as releasing at friday. | 22:24 |
| notmyname | kota_: thank you | 22:24 |
| notmyname | thank you for all of your work on this feature | 22:25 |
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| notmyname | two final notes: (1) May 17 is swift's 8th birthday! (2) register for the PTG. the tickets go up in price in a few hours | 22:25 |
| zaitcev | ugh | 22:25 |
| zaitcev | okay | 22:25 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 16 22:25:56 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-05-16-21.00.html | 22:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-05-16-21.00.txt | 22:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-05-16-21.00.log.html | 22:26 |
| notmyname | whew :-) | 22:26 |
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