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| tpatil | #startmeeting Masakari | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 15 04:00:25 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tpatil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Masakari)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
| tpatil | Hi All | 04:00 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi | 04:00 |
| niraj_singh | Hi | 04:00 |
| lkwan_ | hi all | 04:00 |
| tpatil | Today Sampath is busy so he won't join this meeting | 04:01 |
| tpatil | #topic High priority items | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High priority items (Meeting topic: Masakari)" | 04:01 | |
| tpatil | Introspective Instance Monitoring | 04:02 |
| tpatil | specs are approved | 04:02 |
| lkwan_ | thanks. | 04:02 |
| tpatil | welcome!!! | 04:02 |
| tpatil | I have started reviewing masakari monitor patch | 04:02 |
| tpatil | #link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/534958/ | 04:02 |
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| lkwan_ | feel free to ping us in IRC for any questions | 04:03 |
| tpatil | lkwan_: Sure, I have observed few coding guidelines issues which I post soon on above patch | 04:03 |
| lkwan_ | np... please do so. | 04:04 |
| tpatil | lkwan_: Then I will review code from functional stand point of view | 04:04 |
| lkwan_ | for python-masakariclient, do we have a working code in stable/queens? | 04:05 |
| lkwan_ | or any update on openstacksdk? | 04:05 |
| tpatil | lkwan_: stable/queens, I will need some time to confirm on this point | 04:06 |
| lkwan_ | or master is fine | 04:06 |
| tpatil | #action: Tushar, check if stable/queens is working fine | 04:06 |
| tpatil | for python-masakariclient, we will need to merge this patch | 04:07 |
| tpatil | #link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557634/3 | 04:07 |
| tpatil | on master branch | 04:07 |
| tpatil | masakari-monitors doesn't require masakariclient anymore | 04:08 |
| lkwan_ | still missing approval on Workflow | 04:08 |
| tpatil | and masakari-monitors requires openstacksdk 0.13.0 which is already out | 04:08 |
| tpatil | on that patch, we need another +2 and then someone can set workflow + 1 | 04:08 |
| tpatil | I will request other core reviewers to approve the patch | 04:09 |
| lkwan_ | thanks. | 04:09 |
| tpatil | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 04:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: Masakari)" | 04:09 | |
| lkwan_ | for the meeting time, as there is no other teams using 03:00 , can someone update irc-meetings/meetings/masakari-team-meeting.yaml | 04:10 |
| lkwan_ | as we discussed last time? | 04:10 |
| tpatil | Sampath will post that patch soon | 04:11 |
| lkwan_ | thanks | 04:11 |
| lkwan_ | for the bug, https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-masakariclient/+bug/1756047 | 04:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1756047 in python-masakariclient "masakari command failed due to os-service-type1.2.0" [Critical,Confirmed] | 04:11 |
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| lkwan_ | is that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557634/3 will address all issues? | 04:12 |
| tpatil | correct | 04:12 |
| lkwan_ | does anyone try it out yet? | 04:12 |
| lkwan_ | test it out? | 04:12 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | lkwan_: yes, it is working | 04:13 |
| tpatil | yes, Dinesh and I tried it out yesterday and we were able to run masakari commands | 04:13 |
| lkwan_ | hope that we can get another +2 and then the workflow +1 soon | 04:14 |
| tpatil | We will merge this patch today or in worst case by tomorrow | 04:15 |
| tpatil | Any other bugs (stuck/critical) open for discussion? | 04:15 |
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| tpatil | #topic Discussion points | 04:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion points (Meeting topic: Masakari)" | 04:17 | |
| tpatil | Horizon Plugin | 04:17 |
| tpatil | any updates? | 04:17 |
| niraj_singh | Fixed the review comments and uploaded all the patches on community gerrit. | 04:17 |
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| niraj_singh | Did some UI change and code optimization | 04:18 |
| tpatil | niraj_singh: Thanks, We will start reviewing those patches soon | 04:18 |
| niraj_singh | ok | 04:18 |
| tpatil | Recovery method customization | 04:18 |
| tpatil | We are still working on the specs | 04:19 |
| tpatil | Ansible support for Masakari | 04:19 |
| lkwan_ | we would like to follow up about the status of the ‘Masakari ansible roles’ development. | 04:19 |
| lkwan_ | The OPNFV HA Group that Greg and others work with is interested in integrating Masakari into the next release of OPNFV and needs the ansible work done in order to integrate it into their XCI installer. | 04:19 |
| niraj_singh | i am working on testinf part of masakari-api and engine currently | 04:20 |
| tpatil | niraj_singh: OK | 04:20 |
| lkwan_ | date? | 04:20 |
| lkwan_ | target date to be ready? | 04:21 |
| tpatil | lkwan_: We plan to finish it by Rocky release. But presently we are stuck with pacemaker deployment | 04:21 |
| tpatil | as of today, you can deploy masakari-api and masakari-engine | 04:22 |
| tpatil | GitHub repo: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible-os_masakari | 04:22 |
| niraj_singh | yes | 04:22 |
| tpatil | we are now working on implementing role for deploying masakari-monitor (only on compute nodes) which requires pacemaker | 04:22 |
| lkwan_ | any other dependencies ? | 04:23 |
| tpatil | niraj_singh: there is already one ansible plugin available outside openstack to deploy pacemaker | 04:23 |
| tpatil | niraj_singh: which one is that? | 04:24 |
| niraj_singh | yes https://github.com/mrlesmithjr/ansible-pacemaker | 04:24 |
| niraj_singh | i am using the above role for pacemaker | 04:25 |
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| tpatil | lkwan_: pacemaker/corosync | 04:26 |
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| lkwan_ | Overall, is it still on track to deliver in Rocky Milestone-2? | 04:26 |
| tpatil | and finally we need multi node setup to test it functionally | 04:26 |
| tpatil | lkwan_: if we can use above pacemaker ansible role, then we have some hope to finish it by Rocky-Milestone 2. We have limited resources to work on this feature | 04:29 |
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| tpatil | the above pacemaker role can only deploy 16 nodes in the cluster as per Readme which makes me worry | 04:30 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | PACEMAKER_REMOTE will help in this. | 04:31 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | It allows to scale beyond the corosync 16-node limit. | 04:31 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | #link https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/high_availability_add-on_reference/pacemaker_remote | 04:31 |
| niraj_singh | ok | 04:32 |
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| tpatil | Does it support for all OSes? is it open sourced? | 04:32 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | tpatil: yes | 04:33 |
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| lkwan__ | network issue, just rejoin | 04:33 |
| tpatil | Dinesh_Bhor: Is there ready made ansible role that we can re-use directly? | 04:33 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | tpatil: checking... | 04:34 |
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| tpatil | niraj_singh: Can we please take some help from openstack-ansible team to find out how to deploy pacemaker/corosync? Is someone already working on it? or we need to develop it from scratch | 04:36 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | tpatil: I think we can use the existing pacemaker ansible role and just change the package to be installed to *pacemaker_remote* instead of *pacemaker*. | 04:37 |
| niraj_singh | i asked ansible members regarding this. The said there is not any official role for this. | 04:38 |
| tpatil | Dinesh_Bhor: Yes, that's one option. Also we need to read the license and confirm if we can use it without any issues. | 04:38 |
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| niraj_singh | We can use any which satisfies the requirement. | 04:38 |
| tpatil | niraj_singh: Ok | 04:38 |
| tpatil | niraj_singh: You will also need multiple node setup to test https://github.com/mrlesmithjr/ansible-pacemaker, correct? | 04:41 |
| niraj_singh | yes | 04:42 |
| tpatil | I will discuss with Sampath about it | 04:42 |
| niraj_singh | ok. | 04:42 |
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| tpatil | for now, let's check ansible-pacemaker ansible role to see if we can use PACEMAKER_REMOTE | 04:43 |
| niraj_singh | ok i will got through it. | 04:43 |
| tpatil | also contact cluster labs people and ask for their suggestion | 04:43 |
| niraj_singh | ok | 04:44 |
| tpatil | #topic AOB | 04:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: Masakari)" | 04:44 | |
| lkwan__ | niraj_singh or tpatil, is it still on track to deliver in Rocky Milestone-2 | 04:44 |
| tpatil | lkwan__: if we can use above pacemaker ansible role, then we have some hope to finish it by Rocky-Milestone 2. We have limited resources to work on this feature | 04:46 |
| tpatil | and finally we need multi node setup to test it functionally | 04:47 |
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| lkwan__ | got it. | 04:47 |
| lkwan__ | thanks. | 04:47 |
| tpatil | Migrate from launchpad to Storyboard | 04:47 |
| tpatil | Anyone interested to volunteer this work? | 04:47 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | tpatil: I will check this. | 04:48 |
| tpatil | Dinesh_Bhor: Great, Thanks | 04:48 |
| tpatil | Any other topic left for discussion? | 04:49 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Nothing from my side. | 04:50 |
| tpatil | Looks None, Let's end this meeting | 04:50 |
| tpatil | Thank you all for your time | 04:51 |
| lkwan__ | thanks. | 04:51 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Thank you all | 04:51 |
| tpatil | #endmeeting | 04:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 04:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 15 04:51:11 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:51 |
| niraj_singh | thank | 04:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-05-15-04.00.html | 04:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-05-15-04.00.txt | 04:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2018/masakari.2018-05-15-04.00.log.html | 04:51 |
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| slaweq | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 15 16:00:05 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is slaweq. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| slaweq | hello | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 16:00 |
| slaweq | hi njohnston | 16:00 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 16:00 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:00 |
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| slaweq | I just pinged ihar and haleyb also in neutron channel | 16:02 |
| slaweq | maybe they will join us also | 16:02 |
| slaweq | but I think that we can start | 16:02 |
| slaweq | #topic Actions from previous meetings | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from previous meetings (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:02 | |
| slaweq | mlavalle will check why trunk tests are failing in dvr multinode scenario | 16:02 |
| mlavalle | slaweq: didn't have time last week. sorry | 16:02 |
| slaweq | so moving to next week? | 16:03 |
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| mlavalle | yes, please | 16:03 |
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| slaweq | #action mlavalle will check why trunk tests are failing in dvr multinode scenario | 16:04 |
| mlavalle | Thanks | 16:04 |
| slaweq | thx | 16:04 |
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| slaweq | slaweq will continue debugging slow rally tests issue | 16:04 |
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| slaweq | I also didn't have time to debug it | 16:04 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq will continue debugging slow rally tests issue | 16:04 |
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| slaweq | slaweq to fix neutron-dynamic-routing scenario tests bug | 16:04 |
| slaweq | fressi sent fixes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567736/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567742/ | 16:05 |
| slaweq | both are merged now so I hope it should be better | 16:05 |
| slaweq | next one is: | 16:05 |
| slaweq | slaweq to make 2 scenario jobs gating | 16:05 |
| slaweq | ovsfw job done: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567055/ | 16:05 |
| slaweq | neutron-tempest-plugin-scenario-linuxbridge done: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567057/ | 16:06 |
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| ihar | eh sorry for late | 16:06 |
| slaweq | hi ihar | 16:06 |
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| slaweq | second one was merged today | 16:06 |
| slaweq | I also did patch to add those new jobs to dashboard: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567062/ and it's waiting for review now | 16:07 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: would be good if You could +1 it :) | 16:07 |
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| mlavalle | Done | 16:07 |
| slaweq | thx | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | but more importatly, ihar +1ed it also | 16:08 |
| slaweq | thx ihar too :) | 16:08 |
| ihar | :))) | 16:08 |
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| * slaweq wish that 2 x +1 could be counted as +2 :) | 16:09 | |
| slaweq | and the last from previous week is: | 16:09 |
| slaweq | haleyb will debug failing security groups fullstack test: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1767829 | 16:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1767829 in neutron "Fullstack test_securitygroup.TestSecurityGroupsSameNetwork fails often after SG rule delete" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 16:09 |
| slaweq | but haleyb is not here probably | 16:09 |
| slaweq | and I think that he didn't do anything with that | 16:10 |
| ihar | it's assigned to you btw | 16:10 |
| slaweq | ihar: yes, I know | 16:10 |
| slaweq | but last week haleyb told that he will try to check so action was assigned to him | 16:10 |
| slaweq | :) | 16:10 |
| ihar | yeah I get, just saying should prolly be assigned to him to nag him some more | 16:11 |
| slaweq | I was trying to reproduce it on top of master branch with some DNM patch with extra logging but I couldn't | 16:11 |
| slaweq | but he has some patch which cause this issue 100% times AFAIR - maybe I will just try to debug on top of his patch and will find something | 16:11 |
| slaweq | I will assign it to me now :) | 16:12 |
| mlavalle | yeah, if you assign it to him, you'll have more nagging power | 16:12 |
| mlavalle | ;-) | 16:12 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq to debug failing security groups fullstack test: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1767829 | 16:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1767829 in neutron "Fullstack test_securitygroup.TestSecurityGroupsSameNetwork fails often after SG rule delete" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 16:12 |
| slaweq | I know that haleyb is very busy so I will try to check it maybe | 16:12 |
| slaweq | ok, that were all actions from previous week | 16:13 |
| slaweq | let's move to next topic then | 16:13 |
| slaweq | #topic Grafana | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grafana (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:13 | |
| slaweq | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:13 |
| ihar | how come not a single failure in fullstack / functional for 4 days! | 16:15 |
| ihar | (there are some lately, but there was a long trench) | 16:16 |
| ihar | actually 5 days | 16:16 |
| slaweq | ihar: are You talking about gate queue? | 16:16 |
| slaweq | I think it was very similar in the past here | 16:16 |
| ihar | yea | 16:16 |
| ihar | oh right it's gate, maybe nothing was in gate | 16:16 |
| slaweq | but speaking about Fullstack - it was on high failure rate - around 40-50% at the end of last week - but as I went through failed patches from last week I didn’t found one (or 2) general reasons of such failures, | 16:17 |
| mlavalle | so, entropy? | 16:18 |
| slaweq | also when I today went through different patches and looking for some example failures I saw quite many jobs marked WIP or something like that when many jobs were red | 16:18 |
| mlavalle | did they have fullstack failures? | 16:18 |
| slaweq | so I didn't check reasons of failures in such jobs and maybe it had some impact on graphs also | 16:18 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: yes, I'm talking about patches which had failures on (almost) everything - fullstack also :) | 16:19 |
| ihar | example of a wip job failure? | 16:19 |
| mlavalle | ok, yes, maybe they had an impact | 16:19 |
| slaweq | ihar: give me a sec | 16:20 |
| slaweq | e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/533850/ | 16:20 |
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| slaweq | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/567621/ | 16:21 |
| slaweq | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549168/ | 16:21 |
| ihar | what's 'wip' you refer to | 16:21 |
| slaweq | ok, those are not marked as WIP but I assumed that if every job is red then there is probably something wrong with patch | 16:22 |
| mlavalle | I don't know the oher one, but 567621 is from a co-worker of mine and it is wip | 16:23 |
| mlavalle | I'll ask him to mark it so | 16:23 |
| ihar | ok gotcha. or there is an infra issue. | 16:23 |
| slaweq | ihar: right, but then it would be probably seen on graphs as well :) | 16:23 |
| slaweq | mlavalle: I just wanted to talk that I didn't check failures of one of jobs in such patch :) | 16:24 |
| mlavalle | ack | 16:24 |
| slaweq | talking about fullstack, there were also failures like: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499908/ which is clearly related to patch | 16:25 |
| slaweq | so, to sum up I didn't found anything new which would repeat many times :) | 16:26 |
| slaweq | but I found one issue: http://logs.openstack.org/82/568282/3/check/neutron-fullstack/21baf5f/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 16:26 |
| slaweq | which is new for me | 16:26 |
| slaweq | so for now just for the record - there was such issue at least once and we should check if it will not repeat more times :) | 16:27 |
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| slaweq | any questions related to fullstack tests (or grafana)? | 16:28 |
| mlavalle | I'm good | 16:28 |
| ihar | no | 16:28 |
| slaweq | so let's move on | 16:29 |
| slaweq | #topic Scenarios | 16:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Scenarios (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:29 | |
| slaweq | Neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario failures rate is better now, after marking few tests as unstable | 16:29 |
| slaweq | but it's still not perfect | 16:29 |
| haleyb | sorry, i had a meeting conflict and didn't see your ping, will try and watch out of one eye | 16:30 |
| slaweq | haleyb: sure :) | 16:30 |
| slaweq | I found one example of failure for dvr-multinode scenario: http://logs.openstack.org/86/567086/5/check/neutron-tempest-plugin-dvr-multinode-scenario/59d052d/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-05-15_09_04_47_980425 | 16:30 |
| ihar | hm, AuthenticationException | 16:31 |
| ihar | interesting, it's usually timeouts | 16:31 |
| ihar | means that metadata didn't provide the ssh fingerprint | 16:32 |
| ihar | the test suck, it doesn't dump instance console output | 16:32 |
| ihar | that would give us an idea what fails there | 16:32 |
| slaweq | yes, there is no console log there | 16:32 |
| ihar | but probably metadata down? | 16:32 |
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| slaweq | logs of metadata agent looks fine | 16:33 |
| slaweq | at first glance at least :) | 16:33 |
| ihar | it will look just fine if instance can't reach it | 16:34 |
| ihar | :) | 16:34 |
| slaweq | but some instances reached it for sure | 16:35 |
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| ihar | I think the next step is make the test case dump console | 16:36 |
| slaweq | I can try to read test code and check if there is maybe anything what could be changed/improved to catch console log in such case | 16:37 |
| ihar | (and probably there are more test cases that have the same issue) | 16:37 |
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| mlavalle | most likely | 16:37 |
| slaweq | are You fine with that? | 16:37 |
| ihar | that would be nice of you if you can do it | 16:37 |
| slaweq | :) | 16:37 |
| ihar | note the dumping often times is done in connect check methods | 16:38 |
| ihar | not directly in test case | 16:38 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq to check why some scenario tests don't log instance console log | 16:38 |
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| slaweq | yes, I think I saw it before already somewhere :) | 16:38 |
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| slaweq | ok, I have one more thing about scenario tests | 16:39 |
| slaweq | and it is from frickler | 16:39 |
| slaweq | he asked me last week to discuss if we can switch neutron-tempest-plugin-designate-scenario job to be voting (gating later) as it looks quite stable since long time | 16:40 |
| slaweq | so I'm asking what You think about it? | 16:40 |
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| mlavalle | if failure rate is good, yes, let's do it | 16:41 |
| ihar | I think yes it's a good move. it's very stable. | 16:41 |
| slaweq | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=9&fullscreen | 16:41 |
| slaweq | yes, it's below 10 % for most of the time at least in last 30 days | 16:41 |
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| slaweq | so I also think that it is stable | 16:41 |
| mlavalle | yes, let';s do it | 16:41 |
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| slaweq | ok, so I will switch it to be voting for now | 16:42 |
| slaweq | and later we can think about making it gating also - right? | 16:42 |
| mlavalle | yes | 16:42 |
| slaweq | #action slaweq to switch neutron-tempest-plugin-designate-scenario to be voting | 16:42 |
| slaweq | thx | 16:42 |
| slaweq | ok, moving on | 16:42 |
| slaweq | #topic Rally | 16:43 |
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| mlavalle | thanks to you and frickler ! | 16:43 |
| slaweq | thx frickler :) | 16:43 |
| slaweq | in rally tests there is nothing new | 16:43 |
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| slaweq | still only failures which I found are related to global timeout, e.g.: http://logs.openstack.org/12/470912/43/check/neutron-rally-neutron/101415f/job-output.txt.gz | 16:43 |
| slaweq | so I need to investigate it | 16:44 |
| slaweq | this week | 16:44 |
| slaweq | next topic is | 16:44 |
| slaweq | #topic Periodic | 16:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Periodic (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:44 | |
| slaweq | 2 jobs were failing during last week: | 16:45 |
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| slaweq | neutron-tempest-postgres-full - failed few times but as I checked logs, failures related to some error with volumes or nova service list (or something like that) | 16:45 |
| slaweq | so I didn't debug it more | 16:45 |
| slaweq | Neutron-dynamic-routing-dsvm-tempest-with-ryu-master-scenario-ipv4 - this one should be fixed since today as fressi's patches are merged | 16:46 |
| ihar | psql is traditionally unstable. I don't think anyone has taste to fix it so as long as it passes from time to time it's good enough. | 16:46 |
| slaweq | ihar: so it's good enough :) | 16:46 |
| slaweq | and that was all about periodic jobs | 16:47 |
| slaweq | anything to add? questions? | 16:47 |
| mlavalle | not from me | 16:47 |
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| slaweq | ok, so last topic for today | 16:47 |
| slaweq | #topic Open discussion | 16:47 |
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| slaweq | I just wanted to ask if You are fine to cancel next week's meeting due to summit? | 16:47 |
| slaweq | if so I will sent an email about that | 16:48 |
| mlavalle | I was going to suggest it | 16:48 |
| slaweq | :) | 16:48 |
| ihar | I am good for less meetings | 16:48 |
| ihar | I have a patch to raise | 16:48 |
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| ihar | for unit tests | 16:48 |
| ihar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568390/ | 16:48 |
| ihar | it is *not* ready and I will try to get it ready today | 16:48 |
| ihar | but if not someone better pick it up from me because next time I will get to it the next Monday | 16:49 |
| ihar | and it fixes a unit test gate issue | 16:49 |
| slaweq | ok ihar, go ahead :) | 16:49 |
| ihar | (should be easy to resolve the last standing failure there though, just a heads-up) | 16:49 |
| slaweq | ignore my last sentence :) | 16:49 |
| mlavalle | ok, thanks for the heads up | 16:49 |
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| slaweq | ihar: I can help You with it if You want | 16:50 |
| jlibosva | I have one item I wanted to share | 16:50 |
| ihar | just take it over if I don't get it done today | 16:50 |
| slaweq | ihar: sure | 16:51 |
| slaweq | jlibosva: go on | 16:51 |
| jlibosva | We have a community goal to switch to python3 | 16:51 |
| jlibosva | we used to have functional and fullstack experimental jobs | 16:51 |
| jlibosva | we spent some time in the past fixing bugs so functional suite can be executed fine without any errors | 16:52 |
| jlibosva | we had one last thing missing, which was caused by bug in oslo.service | 16:52 |
| jlibosva | aaaaand, this bug has been fixed after a year or so :) | 16:52 |
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| slaweq | \o/ | 16:52 |
| jlibosva | but we lost the experimental jobs | 16:52 |
| jlibosva | so I have a patch to add them back - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568282/ | 16:52 |
| jlibosva | in the meantime, there are new issues in functional job, I'm working on fixes. I think there are two issues only | 16:53 |
| jlibosva | I think it would be worth to have the functional job passing and then move it to check queue - one more thing that could make the zuul vote -1, right? :) | 16:53 |
| jlibosva | what are your opinions? | 16:53 |
| slaweq | maybe as non-voting for the beginning | 16:53 |
| njohnston | +1 | 16:53 |
| mlavalle | I agree with your proposal | 16:54 |
| jlibosva | I mean, it will create yet another job and it seems we have a few already in Neutron :-/ | 16:54 |
| ihar | of course non voting first but otherwise I just +w'd the jobs | 16:54 |
| jlibosva | ihar: thanks | 16:54 |
| mlavalle | as slaweq says, non voting first | 16:54 |
| jlibosva | ok, I'll be working on patches for it, thanks :) | 16:54 |
| ihar | more jobs is fine if we manage failures | 16:54 |
| slaweq | thx jlibosva | 16:54 |
| jlibosva | gaining some Python 3 knowledge on the fly | 16:54 |
| ihar | arguably the project is doing great so far | 16:54 |
| slaweq | ok, someone wants to talk about anything else? | 16:55 |
| slaweq | if no, we can enjoy our free 4 minutes :) | 16:56 |
| ihar | 4 mins is fine with me | 16:56 |
| ihar | cheers | 16:56 |
| mlavalle | Thanks | 16:56 |
| slaweq | thx for attending | 16:56 |
| jlibosva | thx bye | 16:56 |
| slaweq | we will see in 2 weeks than | 16:56 |
| slaweq | see You | 16:56 |
| slaweq | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568282/ | 16:56 |
| slaweq | #undo | 16:56 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/568282/ | 16:56 |
| slaweq | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 15 16:57:04 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-05-15-16.00.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-05-15-16.00.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2018/neutron_ci.2018-05-15-16.00.log.html | 16:57 |
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| dmsimard | hi openstack-infra | 19:00 |
| dmsimard | #startmeeting infra | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 15 19:00:24 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dmsimard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| fungi | howdy | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:00 |
| dmsimard | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:00 |
| dmsimard | #topic Announcements | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:00 | |
| dmsimard | OpenStack Summit and OpenDev are next week ! Let us share our excitement. Yay | 19:01 |
| corvus | and there was much rejoicing! | 19:01 |
| * fungi rejoices | 19:01 | |
| corvus | also panic | 19:01 |
| fungi | wait, what, next week?!? | 19:01 |
| dmsimard | I certainly hope you have your slides and stuff ready cause I don't | 19:01 |
| * fungi checks his todo list in bewilderment | 19:02 | |
| dmsimard | Also clarkb will be back friday | 19:02 |
| dmsimard | and there won't be a meeting next week due to the majority of bodies being in Vancouver | 19:02 |
| fungi | that's sort of a meeting | 19:03 |
| dmsimard | did we have other announcements worth of a mention ? | 19:03 |
| fungi | there will be a zuul v3 for gating session in room 301 at this time next week | 19:04 |
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| fungi | and a git and gerrit lunch&learn right after | 19:04 |
| dmsimard | Oh, I suppose there will be something social happening next week. Hopefully you can be with us on monday evening - details on the mailing list | 19:04 |
| dmsimard | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2018-May/005943.html | 19:04 |
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| dmsimard | fungi: do you have links for those sessions ? | 19:05 |
| fungi | dmsimard: nope, this is from my ~/.reminders file | 19:05 |
| fungi | probably better to just remind people to search the summit schedule for keywords like "zuul" and "opendev" and "forum" | 19:05 |
| dmsimard | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21663/zuul-v3-for-gating | 19:05 |
| dmsimard | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/20783/git-and-gerrit-lunch-and-learn | 19:06 |
| dmsimard | there you go | 19:06 |
| dmsimard | okay, let's move on | 19:06 |
| fungi | much appreciated | 19:06 |
| dmsimard | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:06 |
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| dmsimard | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-05-08-19.01.txt minutes from last meeting | 19:07 |
| dmsimard | pabelanger: we were looking for scheduling the xenial upgrade sprint | 19:08 |
| dmsimard | #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/osiuhjzjq336 ethercalc for sprint availability | 19:09 |
| dmsimard | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-sprint-xenial-upgrades-part2 servers to upgrade | 19:09 |
| fungi | i guess that wasn't listed as an action item, but could have been | 19:10 |
| dmsimard | aye, that was my takeaway :) | 19:10 |
| dmsimard | not sure if pabelanger is around but it looks like people are generally available so it should hopefully only be a matter of scheduling it and reserving the sprint channel ? | 19:11 |
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| dmsimard | let's formalize it as an action item especially considering there's no meeting next week ? | 19:12 |
| fungi | sounds great | 19:14 |
| fungi | i'm guessing pabelanger isn't around today or something | 19:14 |
| dmsimard | #action schedule the sprint for xenial upgrades and reserve the virtual sprint channel | 19:15 |
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| dmsimard | moving on | 19:16 |
| dmsimard | #topic Specs approval | 19:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:16 | |
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| dmsimard | The only spec that was up for approval last week was the survey tool spec which was merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349831/ | 19:16 |
| fungi | yay! | 19:16 |
| dmsimard | Was there any other spec that should be up for approval ? | 19:16 |
| fungi | and the initial puppet change for that one is probably close to approval | 19:16 |
| dmsimard | I guess we've made progress on the modern configuration management specs | 19:17 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/557979 This patch impliments the survey spec | 19:17 |
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| dmsimard | fungi++ | 19:17 |
| fungi | so if we can get some eyes on that, i'm working to put together a follow-on documentation addition for system-config too | 19:17 |
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| fungi | oh, and tehre's a demo up built from the current state of that change | 19:18 |
| fungi | #link https://survey01.openstack.org/ | 19:18 |
| dmsimard | I was pleasantly surprised at limesurvey, I didn't know about it until I saw the spec about it | 19:18 |
| fungi | self-signed cert for now, and the real deal will have a survey.openstack.org cname to it | 19:18 |
| anteaya | I'd be interested in feedback if anyone has the time to try it | 19:18 |
| anteaya | create a survey if you can and let me know how you felt about the experience | 19:19 |
| anteaya | the limesurvey docs should be helpful for survey creation | 19:19 |
| dmsimard | anteaya: on survey01 ? | 19:19 |
| anteaya | correct | 19:19 |
| anteaya | openstackid auth should be working | 19:19 |
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| anteaya | survey01.openstack.org/admin | 19:20 |
| dmsimard | I'll give it a try :) | 19:20 |
| corvus | anteaya: you could set up a survey to ask folks for their experience creating a survey | 19:20 |
| anteaya | should get you the openstackid page | 19:20 |
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| dmsimard | wouldn't that be amazing corvus | 19:20 |
| anteaya | corvus, great idea | 19:20 |
| fungi | yeah, we know of a couple warts which can probably be solved (elevating an initial openid-autocreated account to superadmin perms requires a manual db insert, autocreated users get static initial name and e-mail address they need to adjust in their profile which can likely be solved by writing a very tiny php hook to get that info from mod_auth_openid) | 19:20 |
| fungi | also it's at the default theming now, but is highly themable | 19:21 |
| anteaya | highly themable | 19:21 |
| fungi | themeable? | 19:21 |
| fungi | something like that ;) | 19:21 |
| dmsimard | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 19:22 |
| anteaya | I think your first go at it looked good to me | 19:22 |
| dmsimard | ok, let's move on to specs discussion | 19:22 |
| dmsimard | unless there was something else about survey | 19:22 |
| anteaya | I'm done, thank you | 19:22 |
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| fungi | not from me | 19:22 |
| dmsimard | #topic Priority efforts | 19:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:22 | |
| dmsimard | Any storyboard things ? | 19:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | LOCI migrated last week | 19:24 |
| dmsimard | sweet ! | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | We have one forum session at the Summit as well | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | I think its Monday? | 19:24 |
| dmsimard | I've been seeing some amount of progress from the different TripleO projects as well | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/continuing-the-migration-lp-sb Storyboard Forum Session Etherpad | 19:24 |
| fungi | yeah, i should add some things to that etherpad | 19:25 |
| dmsimard | diablo_rojo: https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21736/continuing-the-migration-launchpad-storyboard ? | 19:25 |
| fungi | might happen while i'm on an airplane | 19:25 |
| diablo_rojo | dmsimard, thats the one | 19:25 |
| dmsimard | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21736/continuing-the-migration-launchpad-storyboard | 19:25 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, that works :) | 19:25 |
| diablo_rojo | can do it on our sb meeting tomorrow too | 19:25 |
| fungi | ahh, yes | 19:26 |
| fungi | i'll be around | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | After the summit we will get some more migrations scheduled. | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | I saw masakari talking about it in their meeting last night | 19:27 |
| fungi | keep in mind, if you're helping with the speed mentoring lunch, you need to duck out early to catch the start of the sb session | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Keystone wants me to do a test migration too. | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, thanks for the reminder :) | 19:27 |
| fungi | like, maybe skip the group photo at the end (luckily it's just down the hall on the same floor) | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | There's a group photo at the end? | 19:28 |
| dmsimard | mordred, cmurphy: are you around for the next topic ? specs for configuration management | 19:28 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: i guess you skipped the speed mentoring conference call today ;) | 19:28 |
| mordred | dmsimard: heya! | 19:29 |
| mordred | (sorry, was late returning from lunch) | 19:29 |
| dmsimard | diablo_rojo, fungi: did we cover our updates for storyboard ? | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | dmsimard, yep I think so | 19:31 |
| fungi | yeah | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, oops yeah I missed that entirely | 19:31 |
| fungi | all good | 19:31 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: i'll sync up with you after this meeting | 19:31 |
| dmsimard | alright, moving on | 19:31 |
| dmsimard | #topic #topic Modern Config Management | 19:31 |
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| dmsimard | let's try that again | 19:32 |
| dmsimard | #topic Modern Config Management | 19:32 |
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| dmsimard | #link https://review.openstack.org/449933 Puppet 4 Infra | 19:32 |
| dmsimard | #link https://review.openstack.org/469983 Ansible Infra | 19:32 |
| dmsimard | #link https://review.openstack.org/565550 Containerized infra | 19:32 |
| mordred | so ... I owe everyone a combined/wrap-up spec | 19:33 |
| mordred | which I have not written because I'm a bad person | 19:33 |
| dmsimard | My take away is that we're relatively certain the way forward is not with Puppet | 19:33 |
| mordred | dmsimard: yah - the tl;dr of the combined spec is - short-term puppet 4, start shifting things to ansible and start deploying things with containers (using ansible) where appropriate | 19:34 |
| mordred | but there's many details in that which warrant a non-tl;dr ;) | 19:34 |
| dmsimard | Do we have some generic infra sessions at the forum ? I haven't really booked my schedule yet | 19:35 |
| dmsimard | It would likely be pretty productive to discuss this in person | 19:35 |
| mordred | given we will not have an infra irc meeting next week because summit, my new goal is have a spec ready for people to have read by 2 weeks from now | 19:35 |
| mordred | maybe I'll try to crank on it before the summit so that if we do manage to discuss at summit we have a summary to start from | 19:35 |
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| fungi | also possibly puppet 5 if phase 2 takes too long and we end up facing puppet 4 eol with lots left to do in ansible land | 19:36 |
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| fungi | at least sounds like puppet 5 isn't a huge leap from 4 anyway | 19:36 |
| mordred | yah | 19:36 |
| dmsimard | fungi: we've long outlived the life of puppet 3 :) | 19:38 |
| fungi | indeedily-doodily | 19:38 |
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| dmsimard | mordred: want to take an action to be accountable for that non-tl;dr ? :D | 19:39 |
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| mordred | dmsimard: yup. that's on me | 19:40 |
| dmsimard | ack | 19:40 |
| dmsimard | #action mordred to provide an update for combining the modern configuration management specs | 19:41 |
| dmsimard | On to general topics | 19:41 |
| dmsimard | #topic General Topics | 19:42 |
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| dmsimard | This is an idea I had in the shower last night (best ideas come from the shower, I tell you.) | 19:42 |
| mordred | dmsimard: mine usually come from long road trips with no internet access | 19:43 |
| dmsimard | I'd like to gauge interest in this idea where we could leverage ARA for aggregating and processing the vast amounts of ansible-related data we have | 19:43 |
| dmsimard | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ara-aggregation | 19:43 |
| fungi | mordred: some of my worst ideas come from nights of binge-drinking... does that count? | 19:43 |
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| dmsimard | corvus: ^ this might be of interest | 19:44 |
| anteaya | I personally like the gentle time about 5am or between waking and sleeping, if we are sharing out experiences | 19:45 |
| anteaya | corvus: first of all you have to share what activity nets you your best ideas | 19:45 |
| dmsimard | tl;dr, I would leverage firehose.o.o to pick up messages about Zuul finishing a job ( https://review.openstack.org/#/c/535543/ ) , download the ARA database (which are conveniently logged for every jobs) and then send that data to places like graphite, logstash or other things | 19:45 |
| fungi | dmsimard: as a general case, would it make more sense for this to just be another zuul job? | 19:46 |
| fungi | or an additional job phase even? | 19:46 |
| fungi | i mean, i like the creative use of the firehose there, but seems like you could cut out the middle-man as it were | 19:46 |
| dmsimard | I don't know if it needs to be a job, I felt that listening on firehose and being async/disconnected was interesting | 19:46 |
| dmsimard | I was borderline considering proposing we move to this kind of model for logstash but then I remembered that our gearman ansible module sends custom data to tell logstash what files to index | 19:47 |
| fungi | we had at one point talked about obsoleting the logstash and subunit workers by just doing that with zuul jobs/playbooks too | 19:47 |
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| dmsimard | fungi: so the thing about making it synchronous and in-line is that it introduces latency in every job and has the potential of self-DDoS | 19:49 |
| corvus | there's a lot we can talk about the mechanism -- but i'd put that aside for a moment to ask what's the goal? what does it mean to "send data from ara to graphite" for a check job? | 19:49 |
| dmsimard | corvus: that's an excellent question | 19:49 |
| dmsimard | corvus: TripleO are leveraging this kind of mechanism today to graph the duration of specific tasks, i.e: https://review.rdoproject.org/grafana/dashboard/db/tripleo-ci | 19:50 |
| corvus | dmsimard: have you read the counter spec? | 19:50 |
| fungi | the zuul executors have that information too, right? could we add statsd emitters with the playbook times? | 19:50 |
| * fungi realizes the counters spec probably already has that in it | 19:51 | |
| dmsimard | corvus: that vaguely rings a bell but other than that no | 19:51 |
| dmsimard | is that the several years old spec ? | 19:51 |
| corvus | well, it predates zuul v3. but it has discussion about related problems. it'd be a good starting point for discussion | 19:51 |
| corvus | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/qa-specs/specs/devstack/counter-inspection.html | 19:51 |
| corvus | at least, it's good background for considering questions like "what does it mean for check vs gate?" and "how do you compare performance metrics in a heterogeneous environment?" | 19:52 |
| dmsimard | aye, it goes a little bit more in depth (or perhaps a different granularity) than what I was suggesting but the general concepts are the same | 19:53 |
| fungi | i'm curious, does this relate to the current ml thread where the tripleo team are wanting to gauge the impact (positive or negative) of chaining more expensive jobs dependent on less expensive jobs? | 19:54 |
| dmsimard | I don't feel the counter spec would be mutually exclusive to what I have in mind, though | 19:54 |
| fungi | i gather there was a lot of shrugging when it came to actual durations (both of the jobs and the wait times in various queues) | 19:54 |
| dmsimard | fungi: I'm afraid I wasn't involved in that thread/discussion | 19:55 |
| fungi | ahh | 19:55 |
| corvus | dmsimard: i'm not suggesting it as an alternative, i'm suggesting that it provides good background for answering the questions posed earlier. | 19:56 |
| dmsimard | I came up with the idea after realizing that we had all the job's ARA databases available for download since the sqlite middleware implementation and I brainstormed a bit about the value we could pull out of those | 19:56 |
| dmsimard | corvus: ++ | 19:56 |
| corvus | our ci system produces an enormous amount of data -- the question is how to turn that into information. | 19:56 |
| dmsimard | valuable* information | 19:57 |
| dmsimard | I'll sit on the idea for a while, it's not something I'll be able to work on this week or anything | 19:57 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-May/130459.html Multi-staged check pipelines for Zuul v3 proposal | 19:58 |
| fungi | dmsimard: the thread i was thinking of is this one ^ | 19:58 |
| dmsimard | With about 2 minutes left, anything for open floor ? | 19:58 |
| dmsimard | fungi: thanks | 19:58 |
| dmsimard | #topic open floor | 19:58 |
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| fungi | looking forward to seeing lots of you next week! | 19:59 |
| fungi | oh, and i have some changes up for hosting the zuulci.org typo domain | 19:59 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:zuulci.org hosting the zuulci.org typo domain | 19:59 |
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| dmsimard | cool, let's follow up in #openstack-infra, see you next week ! | 20:00 |
| dmsimard | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 15 20:00:05 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-05-15-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-05-15-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2018/infra.2018-05-15-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks dmsimard! excellent chairing | 20:00 |
| corvus | a very fine chair indeed | 20:00 |
| dmsimard | gotta give credit to clarkb, I copy pasted his things from last meeting :D | 20:00 |
| corvus | that gives it an air of familiarity | 20:01 |
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| martial | good day everyone | 21:00 |
| oneswig | hey martial, good afternoon | 21:00 |
| martial | Hi Stig, ready to get this party stared? | 21:00 |
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| oneswig | Would you mind driving today? I'm actually doing some cooking while the meeting's going on... | 21:00 |
| martial | sure | 21:00 |
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| martial | startmeeting Scientific-SIG | 21:01 |
| martial | oops | 21:01 |
| martial | #startmeeting Scientific-SIG | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 15 21:01:43 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is martial. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Scientific-SIG)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:01 |
| martial | #chair oneswig | 21:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:01 |
| jmlowe | Isn't it like 22:00 there? | 21:01 |
| martial | Good day everyone | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Hi jmlowe - it is... | 21:02 |
| jmlowe | I guess late dinners are the norm | 21:02 |
| martial | Hi ike | 21:02 |
| martial | Mike | 21:02 |
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| oneswig | ... only for the disorganised! | 21:02 |
| jmlowe | Hello | 21:02 |
| martial | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_May_15th_2018 | 21:02 |
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| martial | here is our agenda (pretty much a repeat of last week) | 21:03 |
| martial | #topic SIG Cycle Report | 21:03 |
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| martial | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-sig-report-queens | 21:03 |
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| martial | inviting people to add to this document if they did do a presentation related to the work of the SIG | 21:04 |
| martial | (thanks Mike, I know you added quite some content there already) | 21:04 |
| jmlowe | All of our EOT activities count I think | 21:04 |
| martial | yes it seems to me they do :) | 21:05 |
| rbudden | hello | 21:06 |
| oneswig | I've added some items (sure I could rack my brains for more but the list's looking pretty good) | 21:06 |
| martial | Hi Robert :) | 21:06 |
| martial | yeah the list is starting to be good indeed | 21:06 |
| rbudden | apologies for missing a few of the last meetings | 21:06 |
| oneswig | Hi rbudden - no problem | 21:06 |
| rbudden | the time shift has put the meeting in the middle of daycare pickup ;) | 21:07 |
| oneswig | That can be a wild time... | 21:07 |
| martial | no worries, glad you can make it this time | 21:07 |
| martial | Mike, Robert, we will likely want to talk about our "HPC using OpenStack" session of next Wednesday | 21:08 |
| martial | but we can take it offline | 21:08 |
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| oneswig | (don't mind me...:-) | 21:08 |
| martial | I expect Stig and Blair to join on the panel as well if they can join | 21:08 |
| martial | (the system only let me do 3 people) | 21:09 |
| * oneswig goes to check on his pie | 21:09 | |
| jmlowe | We can meet about it Sunday, it's my excuse for flying in Saturday and totally not so I can go sight seeing | 21:09 |
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| jmlowe | I was kind of anticipating much more of a open discussion with the audience | 21:09 |
| martial | same here, I listed it as a panel | 21:10 |
| rbudden | ditto | 21:10 |
| martial | and it shows as a panel | 21:10 |
| jmlowe | inverse pannel | 21:10 |
| rbudden | I feel like the last time we talked too much and could have had much better audience participation | 21:10 |
| rbudden | just MHO though | 21:10 |
| martial | we can think about it and make it better for us I am sure | 21:11 |
| oneswig | Will you run an etherpad or have people with roving mikes in the audience? | 21:11 |
| martial | you know we can still edit the descritpion | 21:13 |
| jmlowe | This audience can probably handle a etherpad, unlike SC | 21:13 |
| martial | maybe add an etherpad | 21:13 |
| martial | to the panel description and that will help | 21:13 |
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| rbudden | jmlowe: +1 | 21:13 |
| martial | jmlowe: touche :) | 21:13 |
| jmlowe | Suggestion of etherpads had the SC audience looking at us like we were aliens | 21:14 |
| martial | started one https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/yvr18-hpc-using-openstack | 21:16 |
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| oneswig | I'll be interested to see what you guys come up with. Are you going to cover infrastructure or science workloads, or just see where the discussion goes? | 21:17 |
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| rbudden | i would imagine some talk of both. I know recently I’ve been in new territory for PSC regarding both. | 21:18 |
| martial | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/20656/hpc-using-openstack | 21:18 |
| martial | I was going to do a very small "HPC multimedia processing" into as a lighting talk as well as an intro to our work for the panel | 21:19 |
| martial | to try to introduce my side (as a non large university) | 21:20 |
| oneswig | martial: surely you've got war stories that involve actual war :-) | 21:20 |
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| rbudden | For better or worse we’ve delved into Windows Server VMs in OpenStack and are currently hosting a 1.5TB RAM VM for a CMU teaching workload/use case | 21:21 |
| rbudden | I can atest to the war stories in the above regard ;) | 21:21 |
| martial | sure upgrading openstack :) | 21:21 |
| martial | oh yes same here, we have a couple people who wanted support for that ... sigh | 21:22 |
| rbudden | glad I’m not the only one. We’ve had a recent influx of a lot of these requests | 21:22 |
| oneswig | Can we cover the committee meeting? I think in Sydney we ought to have come in with more proposals to get the conversation started... | 21:23 |
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| martial | when is that? | 21:24 |
| oneswig | The one on Wednesday morning. I'm not sure what it's meant to be called, but the one that isn't the BoF | 21:25 |
| martial | oh I thought you meant the Sunday afternoon meeting' | 21:25 |
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| oneswig | no - sorry - confusing | 21:26 |
| martial | yeah sure | 21:26 |
| martial | if you look in your emails, I just sent a request to update the "verbiage" for it | 21:26 |
| martial | (and add us as modertors) | 21:27 |
| oneswig | What I'm interested in is ideas on what is deficient in OpenStack for research computing, and where (as a sig) we could set some activity areas. | 21:27 |
| martial | let's start an etherpad for it as well? | 21:27 |
| oneswig | Saw your mail martial - thanks, that needed doing. | 21:27 |
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| oneswig | martial: good idea | 21:27 |
| martial | Jimmy is likely not happy with me, sent him like 3 or 4 emails in the past couple days about things to fix on the agenda | 21:28 |
| martial | Mike, Robert: the HPC on OpenStack is moved to Wednesday afternoon btw | 21:28 |
| oneswig | I'm sure it's a drop in the ocean of his inbox the week before the summit! | 21:28 |
| martial | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-sig-vancouver2018-meeting | 21:28 |
| jmlowe | right | 21:28 |
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| rbudden | martial: thx, i wasn’t aware of the change! | 21:29 |
| martial | conflicts | 21:29 |
| jmlowe | Don't worry, I'll keep you in line | 21:29 |
| martial | I got an email: you have a session from 8-5 Thu and you have a session from 10-11 Thu ... a scheduling snafu :) | 21:30 |
| oneswig | martial: will you do a lightning talk update on ORCA at the BoF? | 21:31 |
| martial | I requested for it to be Tuesday (so we could point people to our Wed sessions) but that was a no go | 21:31 |
| martial | yes | 21:31 |
| martial | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-sig-vancouver2018-lighting-talks | 21:32 |
| martial | I need to email our [scientific] friend with the info once the schedule is updated | 21:32 |
| martial | which reminds me | 21:33 |
| martial | #topic Call for Lighting Talks | 21:33 |
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| oneswig | martial: I think there is already an etherpad for lightning talks. | 21:33 |
| martial | as always if you are able to join the Scientific SIG session on Wednesday and want to present a lighting talk on your work, see link above | 21:34 |
| martial | oneswig as far as I know that is that link | 21:34 |
| oneswig | weird, I'm sure there was a pad with ~3 on from a couple of weeks ago | 21:35 |
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| oneswig | I think I'm mixing it up with forum topics | 21:36 |
| martial | if you find the info please follow up with Jimmy, I will email him the links soon to update the agenda | 21:37 |
| martial | so far those are the topics I had listed for our meeting | 21:38 |
| martial | there is also the dinner if we want to discuss it | 21:38 |
| martial | should we announce it? | 21:38 |
| oneswig | Well I think we are all going ... | 21:39 |
| martial | very likely ;) I guess this solves this topic :) | 21:40 |
| martial | remaining topic added to the pile | 21:40 |
| martial | #topic PEARC | 21:40 |
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| martial | rbudden jmlowe going? | 21:40 |
| oneswig | I wondered if we should include some folks on the AI/GPU/HPC track? | 21:40 |
| martial | we can reach out to them indeed | 21:41 |
| rbudden | unfortunately I can’t attend PEARC since it conflicts with my yearly vacation | 21:41 |
| rbudden | that does remind me we are in search of a moderator to fill in for me for the Panel | 21:41 |
| martial | happy to help, for PEARC? | 21:42 |
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| rbudden | yes | 21:42 |
| rbudden | my boss was going to help out, but he has since left PSC | 21:42 |
| martial | you have my email, reach out please and let's take this offline | 21:42 |
| oneswig | J Ray? | 21:42 |
| rbudden | yes | 21:42 |
| oneswig | well well | 21:42 |
| jmlowe | I am going to PEARC | 21:42 |
| rbudden | oneswig: we can catch up about that offline if you’d like | 21:43 |
| rbudden | short news is he’s moved up to computing services just up on CMU campus | 21:43 |
| jmlowe | Are we taking AOB items? | 21:43 |
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| martial | sure | 21:43 |
| rbudden | apologies for the off topic ;) | 21:43 |
| martial | #topic AOB | 21:43 |
| jmlowe | SIG social | 21:43 |
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| oneswig | jmlowe: are we at ~15? | 21:44 |
| jmlowe | So far my count is 14 people for http://www.nuba.ca/ | 21:45 |
| martial | am going to know if a couple ORCA/P2302 colleagues can join | 21:45 |
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| oneswig | jmlowe: is there a date for final numbers? | 21:45 |
| jmlowe | I was shooting for Tuesday night 7:00ish | 21:45 |
| martial | very soon (the note was hidden in its own email ... I should know better) | 21:45 |
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| oneswig | As in, about now? | 21:45 |
| rbudden | might have missed it, but was there a place to sign up? | 21:45 |
| jmlowe | until this afternoon there were no other events, now Redhat/EMC has something 6-9 | 21:45 |
| jmlowe | I signed you up | 21:46 |
| rbudden | jmlowe: you might have just assumed i was coming | 21:46 |
| rbudden | haha ok, thx | 21:46 |
| jmlowe | We went there during the '15 summit | 21:46 |
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| oneswig | I've not heard back from the CERN team - will check up | 21:47 |
| jmlowe | I need to make the reservation soon and secure it with my credit card | 21:47 |
| jmlowe | we could all just show up and take our chances | 21:47 |
| martial | (sending the email now ... again) | 21:48 |
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| martial | (sent) | 21:49 |
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| martial | maybe we have it after 8pm then :) | 21:50 |
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| martial | anything else? | 21:51 |
| martial | wait I thought the RedHat thing was Wedneday | 21:51 |
| oneswig | Not much from us. rbudden: are you aware of any activity to get Ceph working natively over OPA? | 21:51 |
| rbudden | not offhand, though we bailed on Ceph for awhile due to not enough nodes to dedicate to it to be optimal | 21:52 |
| jmlowe | There's a redhat ceph thing wednesday, https://www.redhat.com/en/events/crafting-your-cloud-reality?sc_cid=701f2000000Zx33AAC | 21:52 |
| rbudden | we’re actually revisiting this though | 21:52 |
| jmlowe | that's tuesday | 21:52 |
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| rbudden | our DXC project ends in August and I’m hoping to swipe 3-4 JBOD/Server pairs to do a proper Ceph Setup :) | 21:52 |
| rbudden | So I am definitely interested in this | 21:53 |
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| oneswig | rbudden: I've been using IPoIB on OPA but I believe the performance would be significantly improved by the IB verbs messenger | 21:53 |
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| rbudden | we’ve been using IPoIB as well and we’ve had some rather quirky intermittent behavior | 21:55 |
| martial | (5 minutes mark) | 21:55 |
| rbudden | it would be great to have a native verbs solution | 21:55 |
| oneswig | connected mode and big MTU seems to help but I get huge variations in performance all the same. | 21:55 |
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| oneswig | rbudden: if I get it going, I'll be sure to let you know... | 21:55 |
| jmlowe | I'm keeping an eye on this, if we get a renewal it would be good to know if I need to get nics that can do RDMA | 21:55 |
| oneswig | (likewise, I'm sure) | 21:55 |
| rbudden | thx | 21:56 |
| oneswig | jmlowe: have experimented with RDMA on 25GE and RoCE for Ceph - early days on that investigation still. | 21:56 |
| oneswig | I also have 100G EDR IB but that didn't work on first attempt. Bah. | 21:57 |
| jmlowe | I'm thinking we've got about 2 years before we would need to put a proposal together for a no compete renewal | 21:57 |
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| oneswig | a lot will happen in that time in the Ceph world. | 21:57 |
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| martial | okay, sounds like we are at the end of the meeting :) | 22:00 |
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| martial | thanks everyone | 22:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks martial and all | 22:00 |
| martial | see a lot of you (all the active ones Today) in Vancouver next week :) | 22:00 |
| rbudden | absolutely! | 22:00 |
| martial | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| rbudden | looking forward to it | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 15 22:00:49 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-05-15-21.01.html | 22:00 |
| rbudden | ttyl | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-05-15-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
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