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| joehuang | hello | 01:00 |
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| dongfeng | hi | 01:00 |
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| Yipei | hi | 01:00 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 7 01:00:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:00 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 01:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 01:01 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 01:01 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 01:01 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 01:02 |
| joehuang | #topic Pike-2 | 01:02 |
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| joehuang | hello, according to the plan, we'd like to tag the pike-2 on Jun.9 | 01:03 |
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| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 01:04 |
| joehuang | is there any challenge for the pike-2? | 01:04 |
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| dongfeng | actually no for me. my pagination feature can't catch up with it. | 01:05 |
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| joehuang | to Dongfeng, thanks | 01:05 |
| joehuang | I saw patches submitted for the pagination | 01:06 |
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| dongfeng | yes, it need further test. | 01:06 |
| Yipei | still working on lbaas, but i think i can finish it soon, still have some problems with health management | 01:06 |
| Yipei | will discuss it with you later | 01:07 |
| joehuang | Is there any new feature need to implement for LBaaS? | 01:07 |
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| Yipei | not sure yet, maybe health management needs some code | 01:08 |
| joehuang | Good | 01:08 |
| joehuang | Tricircle not only can work with multi-region deployment, but also nova cells v2 | 01:09 |
| joehuang | for nove cells v2, LBaaS will only work with one Nova instance, it'll be much easier | 01:09 |
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| joehuang | currently you are working on LBaaS in multi-region ( multi-nova instances) scenario | 01:10 |
| Yipei | no still one region | 01:11 |
| Yipei | no, still one region | 01:11 |
| joehuang | still one region, ok | 01:11 |
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| joehuang | ok, so we'll still tag the pike-2 on Jun.9, if patches can not land before this, will postpone to next cycle | 01:12 |
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| joehuang | #info tag pike-2 on Jun.9 | 01:12 |
| joehuang | By the way, there will be a demo in OPNFV Beijing SUmmit next week | 01:14 |
| joehuang | Achieving Global Scale VNF High Availability with Multi-Site (Huawei Technologies, Orange, China Mobile) http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/archive/2017/opnfv-summit/extend-the-experience/opnfv-poc-zone | 01:15 |
| joehuang | next week I'll be attending OPNFV Beijing summit. | 01:15 |
| joehuang | can someone take the responsibility to chair the weekly meeting? | 01:15 |
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| zhiyuan | I have submitted several bug fixes, can see if we can land them in pike-2 | 01:17 |
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| joehuang | ok, will review these patches | 01:17 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, let me have a try | 01:18 |
| joehuang | thank you zhiyuan | 01:19 |
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| joehuang | community is working on storyboard experiment to see if launchpad can be migrated to storyboard | 01:21 |
| joehuang | #link https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/ | 01:22 |
| joehuang | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/ | 01:22 |
| joehuang | #link https://storyboard-blog.io/ | 01:22 |
| joehuang | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/storyboard/ | 01:23 |
| joehuang | How do you think about using storyboard to replace launchpad? | 01:25 |
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| zhiyuan | hmm, need to go through this page "https://storyboard-blog.io/" to know more about storyboard | 01:27 |
| joehuang | It's not so intuitive like launch pad | 01:27 |
| joehuang | and not sure how well it work with bug tracking | 01:27 |
| joehuang | and notification service | 01:28 |
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| dongfeng | I will play with it and be more familiar with it. | 01:29 |
| joehuang | ok, feedback are welcome in next weekly meeting | 01:30 |
| zhiyuan | I find that we can login with our ubuntu open ID | 01:30 |
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| zhiyuan | the one we use to login review.openstack.org | 01:30 |
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| joehuang | #info feedback for storyboard and opinion for migration | 01:31 |
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| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 01:31 |
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| joehuang | other topic? | 01:31 |
| Yipei | yes | 01:31 |
| joehuang | please | 01:32 |
| Yipei | for lbaas, after creating the lb, the lb and the amphora can be created successfully, but the health management cannot ping the amphora in the management network | 01:32 |
| Yipei | i checked | 01:32 |
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| Yipei | and found that the vlan tag of the interface o-hm0 of br-int is changed to 4096 | 01:33 |
| Yipei | instead of the one which is the same to the dhcp port of the health management network | 01:34 |
| Yipei | before creating the lb, the o-hm0 interface and the tap of the dhcp port is added to br-int | 01:35 |
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| Yipei | and share the same vlan tag | 01:35 |
| Yipei | so the dhcp port is ping-able in default network namespace | 01:36 |
| zhiyuan | yipei, you mean ovs-vswitch will modify the vlan tag o-hm0 from a valid value to 4096? | 01:36 |
| joehuang | so the o-hm is not in the management network, it should be, isn't it? | 01:36 |
| Yipei | yes | 01:36 |
| Yipei | to zhiyuan, yes | 01:36 |
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| Yipei | to joehuang, o-hm is a port added to the br-int, its ip and mac address are a port in management network | 01:37 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | joehuang: if you or anyone have any questions about storyboard in the #storyboard channel. | 01:38 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:38 |
| joehuang | to diablo_rojo_phon | 01:39 |
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| zhiyuan | strange, if ovs-vswitch will set the vlan tag of a unrecognized interface to 4096, the original LB without Tricircle will have the same problem | 01:41 |
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| Yipei | also, i checked the plugin.sh in octavia, there is not code for setting the vlan tag | 01:41 |
| Yipei | so i think maybe there is something wrong when creating the o-hm0 interface manually. but i do i following the plugin.sh | 01:42 |
| joehuang | #link https://github.com/openstack/octavia/blob/master/devstack/plugin.sh#L289 | 01:43 |
| joehuang | how about the plugin for non-tricircle environment? | 01:43 |
| Yipei | not tested, but should be OK, i will have a try | 01:44 |
| joehuang | yes, and check the ovs flow | 01:44 |
| Yipei | after running the line289, the vlan tag of o-hm0 port is 4096 | 01:45 |
| joehuang | this is incorrect if VLAN tag is 4096 | 01:45 |
| Yipei | which caused the problem discussed last week | 01:45 |
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| zhiyuan | did you apply all the parameter? | 01:46 |
| zhiyuan | I see this "-- set Interface o-hm0 external-ids:iface-id=$MGMT_PORT_ID" | 01:46 |
| Yipei | yes, all the parameters, without any modification | 01:46 |
| zhiyuan | so I guess the vlan tag is set by ovs-agent | 01:47 |
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| joehuang | How about the lb management network segment id in local neutron | 01:50 |
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| Yipei | you mean whether the network id is in local neutorn? | 01:53 |
| joehuang | vlan id of the network in local neutron | 01:54 |
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| Yipei | to joehuang, i checked, the management network in the local neutron is vxlan | 01:56 |
| joehuang | or vxlan id | 01:56 |
| joehuang | yes, what's the vxlan id if it's vxlan network | 01:56 |
| Yipei | segment_id is 1086 | 01:56 |
| joehuang | for vxlan network, in the same node, there is one local vlan used inside that compute node | 01:58 |
| zhiyuan | is the port for o-hm0 created in local Neutron? | 01:58 |
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| joehuang | need to get port in local neutron too | 02:00 |
| joehuang | except get network | 02:00 |
| Yipei | to zhiyuan, no, it is created in central neutron | 02:00 |
| joehuang | ok, time is up, please move to #openstack-tricircle for further discussion | 02:00 |
| Yipei | ok | 02:01 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 02:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 7 02:01:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-06-07-01.00.html | 02:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-06-07-01.00.txt | 02:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-06-07-01.00.log.html | 02:01 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 7 04:31:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:31 |
| gongysh | hi | 04:31 |
| janki | Hi gongysh | 04:31 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 04:32 |
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| gongysh | janki, welcome | 04:32 |
| YanXing_an | hello | 04:32 |
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| tung_doan | hi all | 04:34 |
| janki | gongysh, thanks :) | 04:34 |
| YanXing_an | ping tung_doan | 04:34 |
| trinaths | o/ | 04:34 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: Hi there | 04:35 |
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| gongysh | we are toward deadline of pike-2 | 04:36 |
| gongysh | hope some core will join us later | 04:36 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 04:37 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, let talk about your bp first | 04:37 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434974/10/specs/pike/vnffg-autohealing.rst | 04:37 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: I am trying to wrap this bo | 04:37 |
| gongysh | today, I want to do meeting reviewing | 04:37 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: only one concern is abt API | 04:37 |
| YanXing_an | when is deadline? not 2017-6-5? | 04:37 |
| gongysh | so please go to this bp review page. | 04:38 |
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| tung_doan | I need Tacker guys about API in my bp | 04:38 |
| gongysh | first, what is vnffg-ha meaning? | 04:38 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, hi | 04:38 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: vnffg-ha is meaning high availability for VNFFG | 04:39 |
| tung_doan | it includes both scaling and autohealing support | 04:39 |
| gongysh | ha in general means there are two or more for this kind of stuff. | 04:39 |
| gongysh | do we have two vnffg to do ha? | 04:39 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: exactly, i just did not have other names for it | 04:40 |
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| gongysh | so we will have two vnffg if we run 'tacker vnffg-create xxx' | 04:40 |
| gongysh | ? | 04:40 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: in case of scaling, we have 2 paths with the same vnffg | 04:41 |
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| YanXing_an | gongysh, IMO, we do not have two vnffg to do ha | 04:41 |
| gongysh | scaling just scaling member vnf's vdu, right? | 04:42 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: +1 | 04:42 |
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| diga | Hi | 04:42 |
| gongysh | diga, welcome | 04:42 |
| diga | gongysh: Hi | 04:42 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: it looks like a different use case | 04:42 |
| gongysh | diga, we are talking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434974/10/specs/pike/vnffg-autohealing.rst | 04:42 |
| diga | gongysh: okay, I will go through it | 04:42 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: pls look at this diagram: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469975/2/specs/pike/vnffg-scaling.rst@73 | 04:43 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, vnffg-ha is the first question. | 04:43 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: we still have the same vnffg but we have a group of VNF for scaling case | 04:44 |
| YanXing_an | maybe vnffg-supports-vnf-ha is a better name | 04:44 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, so it is not vnffg ha itself. | 04:44 |
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| gongysh | we need a different name | 04:44 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: ok. pls review and give me your suggestion. thanks | 04:44 |
| gongysh | second question is: why do we need a url? | 04:45 |
| gongysh | **POST on /v1.0/vnffghas/<vnf-id>/<monitoring-policy>/<action-name>/<params>** | 04:45 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: when vnf is respawned, it is just in VNFM level | 04:45 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: vnffg is in NFVO level, we need to specify which vnffg VNF is belong to | 04:46 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: that's why we need to have API in NFVO | 04:46 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: Is it clear to you? | 04:48 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, it seems reasonable. | 04:49 |
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| YanXing_an | tung_doan, in policy action, we call the rest api to notify NFVO? | 04:49 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: thanks. | 04:49 |
| gongysh | it is based on nfvo and vnfm separation. | 04:49 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: correct! | 04:49 |
| tung_doan | YanXing_an: one vnf can belong to several vnffgs or NSs. We need to have api to notify them | 04:50 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, ok make sense. | 04:51 |
| YanXing_an | tung_doan, it's nice method, i think. | 04:51 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: YanXing_an: happy to know that :) | 04:52 |
| gongysh | trinaths, please have a look at this spec too | 04:52 |
| gongysh | diga, you too. | 04:52 |
| trinaths | gongysh: sure. | 04:52 |
| trinaths | gongysh: looking now | 04:52 |
| diga | gongysh: yes, going through it | 04:52 |
| gongysh | I will try to merge the spec with your review, even without core's score. | 04:53 |
| trinaths | I believe vnfs and vsfs must be sharable | 04:53 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469975/ | 04:53 |
| gongysh | please work on it too. | 04:54 |
| gongysh | let's get them merged as soon as possbile. | 04:54 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: work in parallel with vnffg-healing | 04:54 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: got it | 04:54 |
| gongysh | janki, hi | 04:54 |
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| gongysh | it seems janki is not here. | 04:56 |
| gongysh | next bp is from me: | 04:56 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467479/ | 04:56 |
| gongysh | also please have a look at it. | 04:57 |
| trinaths | sure | 04:57 |
| gongysh | this is for bp | 04:57 |
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| gongysh | do you guys have other bp hanging? | 04:58 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: your bp should be prior. will look at this | 04:58 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, yes the pike2 is 6-5. | 04:58 |
| trinaths | when is pike-3 ? | 04:59 |
| janki | gongysh, hey | 04:59 |
| gongysh | trinaths, I will move all unmerged stuff into pike-3 | 04:59 |
| trinaths | ok | 04:59 |
| gongysh | janki, do you have anything to talk about tacker bp? | 04:59 |
| YanXing_an | p3 is 7-24 | 05:00 |
| janki | gongysh, yes. I did some research and looks like magnum won't be of use to us | 05:00 |
| janki | we can use zun to create containers | 05:00 |
| janki | but zun doesnot create docker image | 05:00 |
| trinaths | janki: the work is related to cVNF management ? | 05:01 |
| janki | so I need to figure out a way to create a docker image from tosca template | 05:01 |
| janki | trinaths, what do you mean by cvnf? | 05:01 |
| gongysh | janki, nice to hear that. you can have a demo implementation. | 05:01 |
| tung_doan | janki: why magnum cannot be a candidate? | 05:01 |
| trinaths | containerized vnf | 05:01 |
| janki | tung_doan, magnum proivdes COEs. and not a way to create container | 05:01 |
| janki | trinaths, yes. it is for cVNF | 05:01 |
| trinaths | janki: okay. | 05:02 |
| gongysh | next topic | 05:02 |
| janki | if anybody has any idea about converting tosca template to docker image, please reach out to me | 05:02 |
| tung_doan | janki: i think any update from your bp will be good to see :)) | 05:02 |
| gongysh | janki, what do you mean by 'convert tosca temmplate into docker image'? | 05:03 |
| diga | janki: make sure, we should provision containers on COE | 05:03 |
| janki | gongysh, from a VNFD we need a docker image | 05:03 |
| diga | in zun we provide, magnum support as COE & on top of that, we can create containers | 05:03 |
| janki | tung_doan, I will update once I have some understanding on this part | 05:03 |
| tung_doan | janki: +1 | 05:04 |
| gongysh | janki, go on the research. | 05:04 |
| gongysh | thanks | 05:04 |
| trinaths | janki: can you elaborate on VNFD to DI ? | 05:04 |
| gongysh | #topic codes and bug | 05:04 |
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| janki | trinaths, lets take this discussion furhter on #tacker after this meeting | 05:04 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1667905 | 05:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667905 in tacker "can't delete vnffg if it get stuck at PENDING_DELETE state" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to sajuptpm (sajuptpm) | 05:05 |
| YanXing_an | janki, does it mean, launch a container from vnfd, to replace kvm VM? | 05:05 |
| trinaths | janki: okay | 05:05 |
| janki | YanXing_an, yes | 05:05 |
| trinaths | YanXing_an: yes | 05:05 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469304/ | 05:06 |
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| YanXing_an | gongysh, have no much time on it this week | 05:06 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, but I have seen you had a state transition diagram draw | 05:06 |
| trinaths | YanXing_an: fixing that bug stated above ? | 05:06 |
| YanXing_an | yes, it can help to fixing this bug | 05:07 |
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| trinaths | YanXing_an: i suggest to own the bug on your name. its will be good for tracking. | 05:08 |
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| gongysh | next code patch: | 05:09 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465080/ | 05:09 |
| trinaths | ther are x`https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1667905 https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1689426 | 05:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667905 in tacker "can't delete vnffg if it get stuck at PENDING_DELETE state" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to sajuptpm (sajuptpm) | 05:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1689426 in tacker "VNF in PENDING_DELETE status can not be deleted" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Bao Fangyan (baofangyan) | 05:09 |
| trinaths | duplocate ? | 05:09 |
| YanXing_an | vnffg and vnf both have this bug | 05:10 |
| trinaths | YanXing_an: okay. | 05:10 |
| trinaths | i was confused | 05:10 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465080/ is almost done | 05:11 |
| YanXing_an | we can fix it together | 05:11 |
| trinaths | YanXing_an: good | 05:11 |
| gongysh | I have tested it. and just one nit left over. | 05:11 |
| gongysh | once it is done and get CI passed, I will +2 | 05:11 |
| gongysh | hope you guys have a review and test too. | 05:11 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, well done | 05:12 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, thanks | 05:12 |
| gongysh | do you guys have other code patch or bugs to talk about? | 05:12 |
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| janki | gongysh, I want to talk about integration with ooo | 05:13 |
| gongysh | ooo? | 05:13 |
| tung_doan | triple ) | 05:13 |
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| janki | sorry, Tripleo | 05:13 |
| gongysh | so what will we need to do for it? | 05:14 |
| tung_doan | janki: I heard that tacker already integrated in OOO, right? | 05:14 |
| janki | gongysh, tacker is integrated in tripleo. | 05:14 |
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| janki | now all services are getting containerised in TripleO | 05:14 |
| janki | tung_doan, yes | 05:14 |
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| janki | gongysh, we need to containerise Tacker in TripleO | 05:15 |
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| janki | tung_doan, it is integration but disabled by default | 05:15 |
| gongysh | janki, yes, that is awesome. | 05:15 |
| gongysh | janki, do you want to do it? | 05:15 |
| janki | gongysh, I can take that up | 05:15 |
| tung_doan | janki: nice | 05:15 |
| gongysh | janki, fine. | 05:15 |
| YanXing_an | janki, it's good to deploy tacker in container for me | 05:16 |
| gongysh | if you think it needs a spec bp, you can do one. | 05:16 |
| janki | gongysh, i will open a bug about this on tripleo | 05:16 |
| gongysh | or just start a launchpad to do it. | 05:16 |
| tung_doan | janki: +1 | 05:16 |
| janki | gongysh, no spec needed. just a bug. the code will go in tripleo and kolla | 05:16 |
| janki | I odnt think there would be any Tacker code change | 05:17 |
| trinaths | in opnfv-models setup, tacker is containerized. | 05:17 |
| gongysh | janki, kolla already has it. | 05:17 |
| janki | trinaths, can you point the url? | 05:17 |
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| janki | gongysh, ohh, then it is just TRipleo changes we need | 05:17 |
| janki | gongysh, let me reconfirm it on tripleo front too | 05:17 |
| gongysh | janki, put a bug on tacker and write a install doc in tacker | 05:18 |
| YanXing_an | I have tried to launch tacker in contrainer several months ago, but failed, no time to fix it | 05:18 |
| diga | First verify, what support we have in tripleo then go ahead and file the bug | 05:18 |
| gongysh | we need guys to know how to install it using kolla. | 05:18 |
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| janki | gongysh, the bug will go in Tripleo launch pad. there won't be any doc needed as this will be part of Tripleo installation | 05:18 |
| janki | and the doc should already be in tripleo repo | 05:19 |
| diga | gongysh: I know kolla, will take a look at it | 05:19 |
| trinaths | janki: https://wiki.opnfv.org/display/models/Testing | 05:19 |
| janki | trinaths, thanks | 05:19 |
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| gongysh | janki, diga you can change the tacker's installation doc about kolla or tripleo installation. | 05:20 |
| gongysh | diga, thanks | 05:20 |
| diga | gongysh: sure | 05:20 |
| gongysh | guys, taker installation should not need nova, cinder components. | 05:21 |
| gongysh | in devstack installation, we name it as standalone installation. | 05:21 |
| gongysh | so the kolla or tripleo way to install tacker should be the 'standalone' way. | 05:22 |
| diga | okay | 05:22 |
| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 05:22 |
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| gongysh | any other stuff to talk? | 05:22 |
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| gongysh | if not we can end the meeting earlier | 05:23 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: I am the way to harmonize scaling code between Tacker and heat-translator. pls have a look | 05:23 |
| tung_doan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471049/ | 05:24 |
| tung_doan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462690/ | 05:24 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, I was trying, but it is not easy to do the review since I don't know what is the point. | 05:24 |
| tung_doan | ok.. i really need Kanagaraj and tbh | 05:25 |
| tung_doan | but seems they are not here. will ping them latter | 05:25 |
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| gongysh | trinaths, heard opnfv meeting is on near. | 05:25 |
| gongysh | do you want to share? | 05:25 |
| gongysh | trinaths, hi | 05:26 |
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| trinaths | gongysh: I have 3 presentations planned 14 and 15th jue | 05:26 |
| trinaths | june | 05:26 |
| gongysh | in beijing? | 05:26 |
| trinaths | presentation stuff got approved yesterday. | 05:26 |
| trinaths | gongysh: yes. | 05:26 |
| janki | gongysh, what is our plan for PTG? | 05:27 |
| gongysh | ok, but I have no ticket there. | 05:27 |
| trinaths | gongysh: JW marriot and Ritz Carlton hotel | 05:27 |
| gongysh | trinaths, I have to get a ticker first. | 05:27 |
| gongysh | janki, do you want to organize the PTG this time? | 05:27 |
| janki | gongysh, I am not sure whether I would be travelling or not | 05:28 |
| janki | so can't commit | 05:28 |
| trinaths | i have got 20 minutes of talk | 05:28 |
| trinaths | gongysh: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/opnfv-summit/attend/registration | 05:28 |
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| gongysh | janki, I think we will doing the virtual PTG again. | 05:28 |
| janki | gongysh, sounds good :) | 05:28 |
| trinaths | gongysh: 'idea nest' is a informal talk for 20 minutes. | 05:29 |
| gongysh | time is up. lets go to tacker channel | 05:29 |
| trinaths | gongysh: I want to propose tacker - ongoing and future work. | 05:29 |
| tung_doan | trinaths: nice | 05:29 |
| gongysh | trinaths, sure, that's nice. | 05:29 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 7 05:29:52 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-06-07-04.31.html | 05:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-06-07-04.31.txt | 05:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-06-07-04.31.log.html | 05:29 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 7 09:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
| oneswig | Greetings | 09:00 |
| arnewiebalck | o/ | 09:01 |
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| oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_June_7th_2017 | 09:01 |
| oneswig | arnewiebalck: hi! Thanks for coming | 09:01 |
| priteau | o/ | 09:01 |
| oneswig | Hi priteau | 09:01 |
| arnewiebalck | oneswig: np | 09:01 |
| priteau | Hello | 09:01 |
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| mgoddard_ | o/ | 09:02 |
| noggin143 | o/ | 09:02 |
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| oneswig | So today we'll cover the CephFS user experience first, then the archive on Zenodo, then the other business | 09:03 |
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| oneswig | #topic CephFS for user home dirs | 09:03 |
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| verdurin | Morning | 09:03 |
| oneswig | Hi verdurin mgoddard_ noggin143, welcome all | 09:04 |
| oneswig | We've been working on a cluster-as-a-service deployment, aiming to be more than superficially useful, and we wanted to graft in a good choice for a home directory. | 09:05 |
| oneswig | I saw Arne's video from Boston which covers a very similar subject | 09:05 |
| oneswig | #link CERN's CephFS story https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/manila-on-cephfs-at-cern-the-short-way-to-production | 09:05 |
| oneswig | arnewiebalck: you've been using it since last summer, right? | 09:06 |
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| arnewiebalck | Yes. | 09:06 |
| oneswig | Why did you choose CephFS originally over (say) nfs | 09:06 |
| arnewiebalck | Not for global home dirs, though. | 09:06 |
| arnewiebalck | CephFS was chosen to fill a gap we had for the HPC use case. | 09:07 |
| arnewiebalck | We did not have a parallel FS for HPC apps. | 09:07 |
| oneswig | Did you look at other options there? Lustre, Glusterfs, etc.? | 09:08 |
| arnewiebalck | It is now also used for the home dirs, but only for the HPC users within the cluster. | 09:08 |
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| arnewiebalck | We looked at Lustre some years ago. | 09:08 |
| verdurin | arnewiebalck: this is instead of CVMFS? | 09:08 |
| arnewiebalck | At the time, to consolidate our stoarge solutions. | 09:08 |
| arnewiebalck | verdurin: No, cvmfs fulfills yet another use case. | 09:09 |
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| arnewiebalck | We had Ceph and needed a parallel FS, so CephFS was the natueral choice to try out. | 09:09 |
| arnewiebalck | We were not convinced by Lustre from an operational point of view (at the time). | 09:10 |
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| arnewiebalck | So, CephFS is in prod for HPC since last summer. | 09:10 |
| oneswig | Makes sense. Are you using CentOS Ceph Jewel or some other Ceph packages? | 09:10 |
| arnewiebalck | We’re using upstream Jewel. | 09:10 |
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| zioproto | hello all | 09:11 |
| oneswig | Hi zioproto - just starting on Cephfs | 09:11 |
| zioproto | thanks | 09:11 |
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| arnewiebalck | Once we established CephFS with HPC, some other use cases came up, such as K8s. | 09:11 |
| sw3__ | hi everyone.. | 09:11 |
| oneswig | arnewiebalck: Did you choose to deploy from upstream because of stability or something else? | 09:12 |
| arnewiebalck | And now we’re trying to replace our current NFS use cases with our CephFS deployment. | 09:12 |
| oneswig | hi sw3__ welcome | 09:12 |
| sw3__ | thx | 09:13 |
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| arnewiebalck | oneswig: The Ceph team has a pretty direct link to the upstream Ceph team. | 09:13 |
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| zioproto | arnewiebalck: are you using Jewel ? | 09:13 |
| arnewiebalck | zioproto: yes | 09:14 |
| arnewiebalck | zioproto: testing Luminous as well | 09:14 |
| arnewiebalck | or pre-Luminous | 09:14 |
| arnewiebalck | from our experience it wroks pretty well so far | 09:14 |
| verdurin | arnewiebalck: pre-Luminous with BlueStore? | 09:14 |
| oneswig | arnewiebalck: Can you describe the storage pool configuration ? | 09:14 |
| arnewiebalck | main issues as Tim mentioned yesterday are quotas | 09:14 |
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| arnewiebalck | oneswig: I’m somewhat out of my depth here … anything specific you’re interested in? | 09:15 |
| oneswig | Specifically, things like bluestore, or journaled vs SSD pool for metadata | 09:16 |
| noggin143 | Some more details on the CERN Ceph install from Dan at https://indico.cern.ch/event/542464/contributions/2202295/attachments/1289543/1921810/cephday-dan.pdf | 09:16 |
| arnewiebalck | we don’t have SSD only pools | 09:17 |
| oneswig | We started with a journaled OSD for our metadata pool. Our user applications immediately found problems with that. | 09:17 |
| oneswig | noggin143: thanks, will study! | 09:17 |
| arnewiebalck | oneswig: the usage from the HPC use is pretty moderate so far | 09:17 |
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| arnewiebalck | and no BlueStore on the production ones | 09:18 |
| oneswig | arnewiebalck: We see issues with file access patterns involving fsync - up to 5s system call latency - is this something you've found? Apparently it is resolved in lumninous but I haven't checked | 09:18 |
| arnewiebalck | yes, there were issue with specific use cases as well | 09:19 |
| oneswig | arnewiebalck: can you talk about any specific lessons learned? | 09:19 |
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| arnewiebalck | not really: most of the issues we found were resolved quickly | 09:21 |
| arnewiebalck | there is a list on my slide deck | 09:21 |
| arnewiebalck | but I can check with the Ceph team if I missed sth | 09:21 |
| oneswig | Do you know when the quota support goes into the kernel client? | 09:22 |
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| arnewiebalck | no | 09:22 |
| arnewiebalck | but this mostly affects K8s | 09:22 |
| arnewiebalck | we use cpeh-fuse everywhere else | 09:22 |
| arnewiebalck | and recommend this as the preferred way to access CephFS | 09:23 |
| arnewiebalck | also due to the way features are added | 09:23 |
| arnewiebalck | but also on fuse quota is only advisory | 09:23 |
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| oneswig | arnewiebalck: have you measured the overhead of fuse for your hpc use cases? | 09:24 |
| arnewiebalck | but at least it prevents users from accidentally filling the cluster | 09:24 |
| arnewiebalck | oneswig: compared to the kernel client? | 09:24 |
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| arnewiebalck | no | 09:24 |
| oneswig | I'm in the process of trying to compare the two (and NFS) | 09:24 |
| oneswig | arnewiebalck: something that intrigued me about the video of your talk - somebody asked a question about RDMA - I hadn't realised that project was active, do you know more about it? | 09:25 |
| arnewiebalck | I briefly talked to Dan about it after the summit. | 09:26 |
| oneswig | Dan van der Ster? | 09:27 |
| arnewiebalck | If set up hyperconverged servers, he’d like to try it out. | 09:27 |
| arnewiebalck | oneswig: yes, he’s our Ceph expert | 09:27 |
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| oneswig | arnewiebalck: we'd like to try it too! :-) | 09:28 |
| arnewiebalck | for RDMA, that’s basically all I know :) | 09:28 |
| arnewiebalck | we’ll get some new clusters later this year, this may be an opportunity for testing | 09:29 |
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| oneswig | arnewiebalck: do you manage access to the CephFS using Manila? | 09:29 |
| arnewiebalck | we didn’t in the beginning, but now we do, yes | 09:29 |
| arnewiebalck | and we moved the pre-Manila users to Manila | 09:30 |
| oneswig | Does that mean you have multiple CephFS filesystems active? I believe that's considered experimental (but safe on latest Jewel)? | 09:31 |
| verdurin | arnewiebalck: encouraging to see some real use of Manila | 09:31 |
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| arnewiebalck | oneswig: we have multiple clusters | 09:31 |
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| arnewiebalck | verdurin: it works pretty well | 09:31 |
| arnewiebalck | verdurin: apart from minor issues ;) | 09:31 |
| arnewiebalck | oneswig: multiple share types with separate clusters works for us | 09:32 |
| oneswig | arnewiebalck: It's certainly interesting to hear that - but our use case is bare metal so no Manila for us (AFAIK) | 09:32 |
| arnewiebalck | oneswig: why not? | 09:32 |
| noggin143 | You could still use Manila to handle the creation etc. | 09:33 |
| arnewiebalck | oneswig: Manila is basically only used for creation as a self-service portal and accounting | 09:33 |
| oneswig | Ah, so it is, but what of the access to the storage network? | 09:33 |
| noggin143 | oneswig: Extract the secret cephx and then define a mountable filesystem on the bare metal | 09:33 |
| arnewiebalck | well, the Manila server must be able to talk to the CephFS cluster, of course | 09:34 |
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| oneswig | noggin143: That's essentially what we do manually, providing per-project cephx keys for Ceph access | 09:34 |
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| oneswig | I had thought there was plumbing Manila adds in the hypervisor space too? | 09:34 |
| arnewiebalck | oneswig: no | 09:35 |
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| oneswig | arnewiebalck: OK, sounds promising to me - I'll check it out. Thanks! | 09:35 |
| arnewiebalck | oneswig: unless you want NFS re-export | 09:36 |
| noggin143 | oneswig: what's cute with Manila is that the secrets are only visible to the project members so no need to mail around secrets | 09:36 |
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| oneswig | noggin143: sounds good. We've been using Barbican for that. It ties in well with our deploy scripts. It's exciting to hear that there could be a smoother way through though | 09:37 |
| oneswig | Any more on CephFS for today? | 09:37 |
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| oneswig | I recommend Arne's video BTW, very useful | 09:37 |
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| oneswig | OK - thanks Arne! Lets move on | 09:38 |
| arnewiebalck | oneswig: :) | 09:38 |
| oneswig | #topic OpenStack research paper archive | 09:38 |
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| oneswig | Thanks for the blog post yesterday Tim | 09:39 |
| oneswig | #link OpenStack in production blog post http://openstack-in-production.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/openstack-papers-community-on-zenodo.html | 09:39 |
| noggin143 | oneswig: I tested the curate functionality with some folk from the EU Indigo Datacloud project and it works well | 09:40 |
| oneswig | So for example, if I wanted to submit this paper on virtualised GPU direct: http://grids.ucs.indiana.edu/ptliupages/publications/15-md-gpudirect%20(3).pdf - what would I need to do? | 09:40 |
| zioproto | oneswig: I guess here ? https://zenodo.org/login/?next=%2Fdeposit | 09:41 |
| noggin143 | oneswig: if you sign up to Zenodo (and there are various login options), you'll see a submit button | 09:41 |
| zioproto | there is that big 'upload' button on top | 09:41 |
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| noggin143 | zioproto: that's right, it's upload, not submit | 09:41 |
| oneswig | Is it fair to assume any paper available online can be uploaded here? | 09:42 |
| noggin143 | oneswig: when you upload, you can put in details of authors, conference and DOI if you have it | 09:42 |
| noggin143 | oneswig: Chatting with the library folk here, the feeling is that if the paper is available on the internet freely, it could be uploaded to the repository. | 09:42 |
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| oneswig | noggin143: that's a huge barrier to entry removed | 09:43 |
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| noggin143 | oneswig: it's part of the opendata movement to move publically funded research to be available to the general public. | 09:44 |
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| noggin143 | oneswig: and also to preserve results. Often we find pointers to talks which are then 404s since the project funding has completed | 09:44 |
| oneswig | noggin143: you're looking at linking with planet.openstack.org - any other thoughts on ways of keeping the archive prominent and maintained? | 09:45 |
| noggin143 | oneswig: I'm having a chat with the Zenodo folk to see if there is a possibility of RSS. However, there is a lot on their plate at the moment. | 09:45 |
| oneswig | noggin143: I am sure that would help, and not just for this use case | 09:46 |
| noggin143 | oneswig: I was thinking about adding a blog with papers uploaded in the past month so that planet openstack would get the feed | 09:46 |
| noggin143 | oneswig: but people would not be overwhelmed by lots of entries | 09:46 |
| priteau | oneswig: I am not sure we can upload random PDFs found on the web unless they are granting rights to redistribute | 09:47 |
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| oneswig | Is there a distinction made between research on infrastructure itself vs research performed using the infrastructure? | 09:47 |
| noggin143 | priteau: it depends on the journal for scientific papers. Creative Commons etc. is OK. I will review the documents when they are uploaded as part of the curation role. | 09:48 |
| oneswig | priteau: that was my concern - my example grants permission provided it's not for profit. | 09:49 |
| oneswig | noggin143: so zenodo takes some responsibility for the rights of the papers uploaded? | 09:49 |
| noggin143 | oneswig: I will clarify to be sure and update the blog accordingly. | 09:50 |
| priteau | oneswig: the notice says "for personal or classroom use", I don't think uploading on zenodo qualifies. Indeed it even says later: "to post on servers or to redistribute to lists, requires prior specific permission and/or a fee." | 09:50 |
| noggin143 | oneswig: one of the fields on the submission is the license | 09:50 |
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| oneswig | priteau: so it does, well spotted. So this is tricky | 09:51 |
| noggin143 | oneswig: I propose to check this as part of the curation process when content is submitted. | 09:52 |
| priteau | The authors who uploaded this paper to their own server may even be breaching the licence | 09:52 |
| oneswig | Thanks noggin143 priteau - some clarification I think will help hugely. | 09:53 |
| oneswig | Any more to add on the research paper archive? | 09:54 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 09:54 |
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| oneswig | Anyone going to ISC in Frankfurt in a couple of weeks? | 09:54 |
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| oneswig | There's a side-workshop - Exacomm - being run by DK Panda. We are starting on the process of evaluating their RDMA-enabled Spark | 09:55 |
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| oneswig | One immediately thinks of the maintenance of a special version, but perversely the OSU HiBD Spark is too new for Sahara support... seems like it's Sahara that's in need of updates! | 09:57 |
| oneswig | #link In case you're at ISC http://nowlab.cse.ohio-state.edu/exacomm/ | 09:57 |
| oneswig | I had one further event - OpenStack Days UK in London, 26th September | 09:58 |
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| oneswig | #link OpenStack Days UK CFP https://www.papercall.io/openstackdaysuk | 09:58 |
| oneswig | Any other events coming up? | 09:59 |
| zioproto | the operators meetup in Mexico | 09:59 |
| zioproto | but I did not follow closely | 09:59 |
| zioproto | I dont know the details | 09:59 |
| oneswig | Ah, true, you going? | 09:59 |
| zioproto | but I think dates and location are set | 09:59 |
| noggin143 | zioproto: it's at the start of August | 09:59 |
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| zioproto | still have to decide if I can go | 10:00 |
| noggin143 | oneswig: I'll be on a beach then :-) | 10:00 |
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| oneswig | Again, a great choice of location for hungry operators - I thought Milan was good, but Mexico... | 10:00 |
| zioproto | :) | 10:00 |
| oneswig | Sadly we are out of time | 10:00 |
| zioproto | have a good day ! :) ciao ! | 10:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks again noggin143 arnewiebalck & co | 10:00 |
| oneswig | Until next time | 10:01 |
| verdurin | Thanks, and bye. | 10:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 7 10:01:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-06-07-09.00.html | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-06-07-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-06-07-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
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| rhochmuth | #startmeeting monasca | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 7 14:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rhochmuth. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 14:00 |
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| rhochmuth | uh oh, no agenda for today's meeting | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | that's a first | 14:01 |
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| rhochmuth | o/ | 14:01 |
| rhochmuth | anyone around today? | 14:01 |
| koji | o/ | 14:01 |
| hosanai | o/ | 14:01 |
| Haruki | o/ | 14:01 |
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| rhochmuth | hi koji and hosanai and haruki | 14:02 |
| Fdaisuke | o/ | 14:02 |
| hosanai | hello | 14:02 |
| Haruki | hi | 14:02 |
| koji | hello | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | i guess the new time-slot works out a little better for everyone in japan | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | but, it is still a little late | 14:02 |
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| hosanai | yeah, it works for me :-) | 14:03 |
| koji | 11:00pm on our time zone now | 14:03 |
| rhochmuth | does anyone have any topics or reviews | 14:03 |
| rhochmuth | my wife is in japan | 14:03 |
| rhochmuth | she called me at 4:00 AM | 14:03 |
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| hosanai | hahaha. she tries to kill you :-) | 14:04 |
| rhochmuth | she does her best | 14:04 |
| hosanai | I would like to share info of analytics status. | 14:04 |
| rhochmuth | torture is her specialty though | 14:04 |
| rhochmuth | hosanai: you have the floor | 14:04 |
| rhochmuth | #topic monasca-analytics | 14:04 |
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| hosanai | thanks! | 14:05 |
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| hosanai | brad gave us data for analytics | 14:05 |
| Haruki | interesting! | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | brad klein? | 14:05 |
| hosanai | yeah | 14:05 |
| rhochmuth | very nice | 14:05 |
| hosanai | and Fdaisuke checked the data but information is not enough for analytics | 14:06 |
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| rhochmuth | what data did you get? | 14:06 |
| hosanai | We got it. | 14:06 |
| rhochmuth | i meant type of data | 14:06 |
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| rhochmuth | was it metrics, logs? | 14:06 |
| hosanai | sorry, i miss understood. Fdaisuke, could you explain it? | 14:07 |
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| Fdaisuke | ok | 14:08 |
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| Fdaisuke | there is no metorisc and logs, just only "timestamps" and "value" (100% or not) | 14:09 |
| hosanai | my rough understanding is we got timestamp, value and value_meta for each services such as swift, nova and so on | 14:10 |
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| rhochmuth | do you have the metric name and dimensions? | 14:10 |
| Fdaisuke | thanks, hosanai | 14:10 |
| koji | isn't the "value" a metric? | 14:11 |
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| Haruki | memory usage or like that? | 14:12 |
| hosanai | in dimensions, there is service and in measurements we have timestamp, value and value_meta. i think. | 14:13 |
| hosanai | it looks status of services. | 14:14 |
| rhochmuth | and are there any points in which incidents have been labeled? | 14:14 |
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| rhochmuth | for example, do you have a set of timestamps and label, for an incident and/or type of incident | 14:15 |
| hosanai | yeah, he explained us unexpected behavior and the time. | 14:15 |
| rhochmuth | so, you have a bunch of metrics, and then a set of incidents and the timestamps for when they occured it sounds like | 14:16 |
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| hosanai | we don't have metric like memory in the data. | 14:17 |
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| hosanai | only service status | 14:17 |
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| hosanai | s/memory/memory usage/ | 14:18 |
| rhochmuth | oh, so basically if swift goes down, the value of some metric, such as status with dimension service=swift is 1.0 | 14:18 |
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| Haruki | only 1 or 0? | 14:19 |
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| hosanai | Fdaisuke, could you give us an example? you said the data looks like 100%, 90%... | 14:20 |
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| Fdaisuke | i saw 100%, 90%, 40%, sometimes 0% | 14:22 |
| rhochmuth | ok, so other than the status metric, is there anything else of interest? | 14:23 |
| rhochmuth | if that is all you have, then i agree, the dataset is not going to offer a lot of insight | 14:23 |
| hosanai | yeah so Fdaisuke sent email to brad to get additional data. | 14:23 |
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| rhochmuth | or data analysis opportunites | 14:23 |
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| rhochmuth | i think what you need is a lot of metrics | 14:24 |
| rhochmuth | the status metric is already informing you about incidents | 14:24 |
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| hosanai | i think so. I hope brad keep the data :-) | 14:24 |
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| rhochmuth | if you had more data, you could potentially identity other metrics that represent the incident | 14:25 |
| rhochmuth | or possibly RCA | 14:25 |
| hosanai | hopefully :-) | 14:26 |
| rhochmuth | it would also be interesting to have the set of alarms that occurred | 14:26 |
| rhochmuth | then you could train your data set using the alarms as the response/labels | 14:27 |
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| rhochmuth | and then try and predict incidents when you don't have the alarms | 14:27 |
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| hosanai | i see the alarms are useful to create labels. | 14:28 |
| rhochmuth | in other works can you develop a model for predicting alarms | 14:28 |
| rhochmuth | yeah, i think that would be an interesting problem | 14:29 |
| rhochmuth | given a set X of all the metrics and a set y that consists of all the alarms | 14:29 |
| hosanai | brad explained us if the status is not 100%, it's a problem from operator point of view. | 14:30 |
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| rhochmuth | so, status can be used too | 14:30 |
| rhochmuth | i guess 0 is no problem | 14:30 |
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| rhochmuth | 25% could be low status | 14:31 |
| rhochmuth | 100% could be there is a problem | 14:31 |
| rhochmuth | > 75% could be there is a high probability there is a problem | 14:31 |
| rhochmuth | so, that could be useful if you had the other metrics | 14:31 |
| rhochmuth | you could use status as the response/label set | 14:31 |
| rhochmuth | and then train on that using the metrics as predictors | 14:32 |
| hosanai | thanks for the info/advise:-) | 14:32 |
| rhochmuth | similar to how alarms would be used | 14:32 |
| rhochmuth | your welcom | 14:32 |
| hosanai | that's all I would like to share | 14:32 |
| rhochmuth | i think you need a lot more data | 14:32 |
| hosanai | yeah that's right | 14:33 |
| rhochmuth | you could also take the status variables, and treat it as binary | 14:33 |
| rhochmuth | for example, anything above 50% is a problem | 14:33 |
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| rhochmuth | then your problem turns into a binary classification problem | 14:33 |
| rhochmuth | but, i'm not sure that is what you want to do | 14:34 |
| hosanai | a binary classification means 2 values classification? | 14:34 |
| rhochmuth | correct | 14:34 |
| rhochmuth | but, you can also treat the predictor as continous, which is what the status is | 14:35 |
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| hosanai | it's a good way to handle the problem as a binary classification to get good result | 14:36 |
| rhochmuth | so, if brad can get you more data, even without the alarms, i think you might have something you can start with | 14:36 |
| hosanai | yeah, we can push analytics ahead with brad's help | 14:37 |
| rhochmuth | it would also be very interesting to know what metrics correlate well with problems | 14:37 |
| hosanai | i think so it's kind of RC | 14:38 |
| rhochmuth | that would be good for RCA | 14:38 |
| hosanai | yeah, and witec introduced Fujitsu's colleagues who created original algorithm (i forgot the approach) for analytics | 14:40 |
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| rhochmuth | do you know the names? | 14:41 |
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| hosanai | i forgot it I got a paper but did't read it yet :( | 14:42 |
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| hosanai | names for the guys? | 14:44 |
| hosanai | you mean | 14:44 |
| rhochmuth | well, i was wondering if they were hpe or fujitsu folks | 14:44 |
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| hosanai | I will send you the names later. I can't access company email now. | 14:46 |
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| rhochmuth | np | 14:46 |
| hosanai | at least 9 hours later :-) | 14:46 |
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| rhochmuth | i thought you were still at work | 14:47 |
| rhochmuth | i'm dissapointed | 14:47 |
| rhochmuth | :-) | 14:47 |
| hosanai | hahaha | 14:47 |
| rhochmuth | so, is that it for today? | 14:49 |
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| hosanai | i don't have anything now | 14:50 |
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| rhochmuth | thx hosanai | 14:51 |
| rhochmuth | i guess i'll end the meetign a little early | 14:51 |
| rhochmuth | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 7 14:51:29 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| hosanai | thanks rhochmuth and all | 14:51 |
| Haruki | thx | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-06-07-14.00.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-06-07-14.00.txt | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-06-07-14.00.log.html | 14:51 |
| rhochmuth | bye | 14:51 |
| koji | thx | 14:51 |
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| Fdaisuke | thank you, bye | 14:51 |
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| Menthos | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 7 15:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Menthos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: massively_distributed_clouds)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:00 |
| Menthos | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Menthos ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi guys | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic roll call | 15:00 |
| Menthos | Hello guys | 15:00 |
| msimonin | o/ | 15:00 |
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| banhgao | o/ | 15:00 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:00 |
| mabderrahim | o/ | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | please add your name in the pad | 15:00 |
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| ad_rien_ | #info agenda | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 675 | 15:01 |
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| knikolla | o/ | 15:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's start | 15:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | parnexius should join us soon | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | so I think we can move to the first item | 15:03 |
| pbressan | he is on | 15:03 |
| parnexius | goodday! | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | Just saw it yes | 15:03 |
| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | Hi parnexius | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic announcements | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | so from my side | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | we exchanged a few emails with the foundation and cockroach folks. We arranged a meeting | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | for June the 16th. | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | more information will be delivered later. | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | Then we exchanged also a couple of emails with other WG Chairs in order to see how we can improve cross collaborations. | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc was in charge of finding the best slot. He opened a doodle. | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | But I don't know whether a final slot has been identified. | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: ? | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | maybe you can give us a few details regarding this meeting | 15:06 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok not sure jamemcc is available. | 15:06 |
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| parnexius | ad_rien: please let me know the details when you find out. | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | so last point I want to announce from my side is that we are going to change the tag for the emails from MassivelyDistributed to FEMDC | 15:07 |
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| ad_rien_ | shorter and ….shorter | 15:07 |
| msimonin | :) | 15:08 |
| Menthos | #info email tag will now be FEMDC | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | so FEMDC for Fog / Edge / Massively Distributed Clouds | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | so I will make an emal to announce that on the ML and update the wiki page | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | #action ad_rien_ announce the new tag on the ML and on the wiki page | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | that's all from my side | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | so guys the floor is yours | 15:09 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | so seems not | 15:10 |
| parnexius | Small update on my side: | 15:10 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok sorry | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | please parnexius go on | 15:10 |
| parnexius | Please note my new email address paul-andre.raymond@b-yond.com | 15:10 |
| parnexius | I will keep the parnexius handle for now... but that may change in the future. | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:11 |
| parnexius | When we get to use cases.... I will give updates on that topic. | 15:11 |
| parnexius | that is all | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:11 |
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| ad_rien_ | Could you please update the wikipage parnexius | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | with your new nick and email | 15:11 |
| parnexius | I will take the action. | 15:12 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | anything else ? | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | if not we can switch to the AMQP point. | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | 1, 2 | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | … 3.. | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's move to AMQP | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic Roadmap AMQP | 15:13 |
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| kgiusti | hey! ansmith want to cover kolla status? | 15:13 |
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| ansmith | good progress on kolla front as recorded in etherpad | 15:13 |
| ansmith | blueprints to enable separate messaging backends and a role for the qdrouterd | 15:13 |
| ansmith | two reviews in progress | 15:14 |
| Menthos | #chair parnexius | 15:14 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Menthos ad_rien_ parnexius | 15:14 |
| msimonin | ansmith: that's great ! | 15:14 |
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| ansmith | we then went back to log from last meeting to build out deliverables/roadmap | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | ansmith: which line in the pad please? | 15:15 |
| ansmith | #704 | 15:15 |
| kgiusti | still some Q's about goals/deliverables... | 15:15 |
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| kgiusti | esp. in terms of tests and metrics desired this cycle | 15:16 |
| kgiusti | up to now, we've tested only the messaging layer (clients of oslo.messaging) | 15:16 |
| kgiusti | for thruput/latency against various mb tech (at load). | 15:16 |
| msimonin | with ombt ? | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | these are fairly specific (and static) load tests - I would think not very useful for FEMDC | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: yep! | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm seeing ombt as micro bench | 15:17 |
| msimonin | Did you test several topology of qdrouterd topology ? | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | whereas Rally/….. can be macrobenchs | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | so both are useful | 15:17 |
| msimonin | I mean qdrouterd in network mode ? | 15:18 |
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| kgiusti | msimonin: in general no - just rpc throughput/latency wrt a rabbitmq deployment (non clustered) | 15:18 |
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| kgiusti | So both micro (ombt2) and macro (ralley/osprofiler) for different message bus topologies? | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:19 |
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| msimonin | kgiusti: yes different bus topologies are in the scope (I guess) | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | I think that should be our experimental protocol | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | testing multi-hop effect of latency/thruput | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | and failure/recovery aspects | 15:19 |
| kgiusti | kewl. | 15:19 |
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| ad_rien_ | yes. | 15:20 |
| msimonin | kgiusti ansmith One question regarding kolla integration | 15:20 |
| kgiusti | The other bit of news is still no new maintainers for zeromq - that may impact testing. | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | I think we can open a thread and iterate by mail to move forward on that protocol | 15:20 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: +1 will email FEMDC | 15:20 |
| msimonin | is it planned to enable the deployment of a network of qdrouterd ? | 15:20 |
| ansmith | yes, kolla-ansible provides an all-in-one and multinode inventory | 15:21 |
| ansmith | intend to support multinode, it is still on the punchlist for the qdrouterd role | 15:21 |
| msimonin | yes sure but I saw that the qdrouterd was configured in a standalone mode | 15:21 |
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| ansmith | not reflected in the patch yet | 15:22 |
| msimonin | That's maybe too much for this patch ;à | 15:22 |
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| ansmith | yes, it may follow once the qdrouterd role lands | 15:22 |
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| msimonin | ansmith: cool :) | 15:23 |
| msimonin | because I guess that's one of the thing we would like to experiment | 15:23 |
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| ansmith | +1 | 15:23 |
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| ad_rien_ | regarding the jepsen test, | 15:24 |
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| ad_rien_ | while I like the idea I think it will be rather focus on the bus itself | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | not sure whether this can help us for the FEDMC | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | i.e. we already have ombt (thanks guys ;)) | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | so ombt + rally/… should be sufficient. | 15:25 |
| ansmith | sounds good | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | what was your idea guys ? | 15:25 |
| ansmith | the idea for jepsen was to understand the behaviors of the backends themselves | 15:25 |
| ansmith | with regard to resiliency, etc. | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | ok +1 | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | good point | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | I don't know whether rally has some injection fault scenarios? | 15:26 |
| ansmith | yes, it injects network faults, etc. to see how service recovers | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | rcherrueau: and msimonin have discovered osfault | 15:26 |
| msimonin | #link https://os-faults.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | also from their side but seems not kolla/docker ready | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | ooooh - new shiney!!! | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | so we should probably investigate more in the rally scenarios. | 15:27 |
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| ansmith | agree | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: yep - ombt2 + Rally in the near term. | 15:28 |
| msimonin | +1 | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so to summarize | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | action 1: start a thread for defining the experimental protocol | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | action 2: Inria can give a first try to deploy qpid router with EnoS | 15:29 |
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| ad_rien_ | guys do you see other actions? | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | that we can do in a short term? | 15:30 |
| msimonin | network of qdrouterd ? | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: ansmith: if you are interested we can give you an open access to G5K | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | so you can perform some integration tests with EnOS also from your side (if it helps). | 15:31 |
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| kgiusti | msimonin: we should really focus on that - single router doesn't buy us much in terms of distribution and redundancy | 15:31 |
| ansmith | that would be very helpful | 15:31 |
| msimonin | kgiusti: +1 | 15:31 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: yes! | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | or if you have a testbed you can also use EnOS directly | 15:31 |
| msimonin | kgiusti: how can we help ? | 15:31 |
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| parnexius | Is there more details on the high level use cases we are trying to test? | 15:32 |
| ad_rien_ | Please note that the engineer that will focus on AMQP experiments should not arrive before July | 15:32 |
| kgiusti | parnexius: I think that's what we need to iron out first (via email thread) | 15:33 |
| parnexius | Sounds good. | 15:33 |
| kgiusti | parnexius: for example, what's a good topology for say nova? router on controller, per conductor, per compute? | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | so to be honest, Inria will put significant efforts only when this engineer will be hired. Right now, we can only provided minimal support | 15:33 |
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| ad_rien_ | s/provided/provide | 15:34 |
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| ad_rien_ | just to be sure that we do not take too much commitments | 15:34 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: np - we can define the test scenarios first, test the smaller ones here are rh | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe yes | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | 1./ test scenarios | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | 2./ required testbeds | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | 3./ divide and conquer | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:35 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: +1 | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | kgiusti would you agree to start the thread for identifying the scenarios | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:35 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: certainly! | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | #action Inria give a try to deploy qpid with EnOS | 15:36 |
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| ad_rien_ | #action kgiusti open a thread for identifying the experimental protocol | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | anything else on that topic or we can switch to the next one , | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:37 |
| kgiusti | I'm done :) | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_ | msimonin: s/#action Inria/#action msimonin | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | :-) | 15:37 |
| msimonin | LOL | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | :-P | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so next topic | 15:38 |
| Menthos | ansmith: what about Strawman? | 15:38 |
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| ansmith | ah, it was a stab at putting some dates down | 15:39 |
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| ad_rien_ | milestones? | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | :-) | 15:39 |
| Menthos | ansmith: okay :-) | 15:39 |
| ansmith | if we track 1. and 2. above it would help us assess progress towards milestonew | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so next topic | 15:39 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic roadmap cockroach | 15:40 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok so as I announced at the begining | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | we succeeded to get a positive reply from cockroach folks. | 15:41 |
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| ad_rien_ | and we arranged a one hour meeting to present the use-case in general and to ask a few couples of questions | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | regarding cockroach internals | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | we copy/paste the question in the pad | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | these are general questions | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | if you have additional ideas please | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | feel free to complete it ;) | 15:42 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok so that' s all on that point. | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | if there is no comment/questions then we can move to the next point; | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic roadmap identification use-cases | 15:44 |
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| ad_rien_ | parnexius: the floor is yours | 15:44 |
| parnexius | Thanks. | 15:44 |
| parnexius | The first point is that I would like to request for help. | 15:44 |
| parnexius | Please let me know if you want to contribute to this effot. | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | there was a person in Boston | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | Andrew XXXX | 15:45 |
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| ad_rien_ | but unfortunately I didn't find his contact. | 15:46 |
| parnexius | I will look him up n the attendee list. There was just one andrew. | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe on can send an email on the ML | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | (dev, operator,…) and see whether we got some answer | 15:46 |
| parnexius | Any Ukasick from ATT | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | something like. Ok for this cycle we agree to move forward on (i) AMQP (ii) and (iii) use-case identifications. | 15:47 |
| jamemcc | Jamey (with AT&T hat on): There was a Boston Talk somewhat on this topic in Boston. I believe that the speaker - Kandan should want to participate - or more likely assign to participate. | 15:47 |
| jamemcc | Looking for link to the talk | 15:47 |
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| parnexius | OK. I saw both talks by Kandan. Can you make an intro? | 15:48 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok sounds great thanks jamemcc | 15:48 |
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| parnexius | Second question on logistics. | 15:48 |
| jamemcc | Yes Paul | 15:48 |
| parnexius | What is the best way to share information in this group? | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | mL | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | dev | 15:49 |
| parnexius | I have some notes on powerpoint .... are you OK with attachments on the email List? | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | so we can make references to threads when relevant | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | put the link | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | and your slides online | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | would it be a good solution from your side | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | ok sorry (back to US today so rather tired from my side) | 15:50 |
| parnexius | What would be online ? Github? Slideshare? | 15:50 |
| jamemcc | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DuKzaBaRwY Telco Edge Cloud Use Cases | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | I was saying that we should use the dev ML because then it enables us to make links towards relevant threads | 15:50 |
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| ad_rien_ | when you want to attach some documents just put them online and add the link within the mail you will send on the ML | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | is it a good solution from your side parnexius ? | 15:51 |
| parnexius | OK. Sounds good. | 15:51 |
| parnexius | +1 | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:51 |
| parnexius | Last point. | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | please note that we changed the tag | 15:51 |
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| ad_rien_ | [MassivelyDistributed] -> [FEDMC] | 15:51 |
| parnexius | I have put some notes on etherpad about what I think some test use cases are. | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | 5é | 15:52 |
| parnexius | There may be other ways to think about use cases: (service scenarios, topology...) | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | 52min | 15:52 |
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| parnexius | I think we want to cover all. | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | would it be possible to discuss that deeper | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | during our next meeting | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | we will put it sooner in the agenda | 15:53 |
| parnexius | I will start with a thread on the mailing list and report back next meeting. | 15:53 |
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| ad_rien_ | I would appreciate to get some feedbacks from jamemcc regarding the last LCCO meeting and the extreme testing challenges. | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks parnexius | 15:53 |
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| ad_rien_ | can we move to the next topic? | 15:53 |
| parnexius | I am done | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | #action parnexius start a thread on the ML: objective gather external/additional contributors | 15:54 |
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| ad_rien_ | #action adrien send an email to the foundation to collect a few email addresses | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | #action jamey introduce Kandan to parnexius | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's move to the next topic | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic EnoS | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: can you please tell us | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | what is the current status regarding the discussion within the LCCO | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:55 |
| jamemcc | For Extreme Testing - the main work is now going on in this Atlasssian Space - lke an Etherpad but with more join editign features: #link https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/wiki/display/LCOO/Working+Space+for+Exteme+Testing+and+related+topics | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | did you make progress | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | so what is the idea (just 4 min left) | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | we read the page | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | and prepare questions? | 15:56 |
| jamemcc | The section that mostly describes the work is in the Tasks section. I can't really give better stytus on the tasks. | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe we can discuss deeper next time too? | 15:57 |
| jamemcc | Yeah - I can try to bring a specialty team member to the next session | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | cool | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | the idea is to see whether we can combine our effort | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:57 |
| jamemcc | OK good from our side | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | We have a todo from our side | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | but we will discuss next time too | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | for the timing today | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | I don't think we have time for opendiscussion | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | unless there is something really important | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | if not please | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | put it in the pad | 15:58 |
| jamemcc | I'll put Cross WG info in the pad | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | we will discuss next time | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks jamemcc | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok thanks guys for attending the meeting | 15:58 |
| parnexius | Thank you! | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | and for all your contributions | 15:58 |
| msimonin | thanks ad_rien_ | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | let's keep in touch by mail | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | lot of actions | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | ++ | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | ;) | 15:58 |
| Menthos | thanks all | 15:59 |
| Menthos | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 7 16:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| mdovgal | Hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
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| Swanson | hi | 16:00 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:00 |
| hemna | @! | 16:00 |
| pewp | hemna |ʘ‿ʘ)╯ | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | hemna: That bot is calm today. :) | 16:00 |
| wxy | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: It can just do a friendly wave now. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: A kinder, gentler pewpbot. :) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: pewpbot doesn't have to always be angry. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Our P-2 deadline is today. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I will probably request that cut later in the day. | 16:03 |
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| xyang2 | hi | 16:03 |
| tommylikehu | oh | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Last chance for drivers and specs. Anything that didn't make it can get in line for Queens. | 16:03 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: do we have anything to get merged before P-2? | 16:03 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: I think all the remaining drivers still had issues to resolve. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Either code or CI. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | I haven't looked too closely at specs in the last few days, but I have the feeling we've already bitten off more than we can chew for this cycle with new things. | 16:04 |
| * e0ne forgot about specs deadline :( | 16:05 | |
| smcginnis | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html Pike release schedule | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | So we are 12 weeks out from release. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Still some good time to get things done. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | But let's not forget about it until it's too late. | 16:06 |
| Swanson | Could fit in an entire ocata2 in that time. | 16:06 |
| e0ne | it's only 2 months before feature freeze | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Would be great not to have a crunch at the end, but I know that's inevitable. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yeah, that'll go quick. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | #topic targetd driver for remote LVM management | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: All yours. | 16:07 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: thanks | 16:07 |
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| e0ne | #link https://github.com/open-iscsi/targetd | 16:07 |
| e0ne | I just want to know if community is interested in this ^^ | 16:08 |
| e0ne | I played with this last week and get working target driver for create/delete/attach/detach | 16:08 |
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| eharney | i think it's a good idea, i was long ago attempting to write a driver for this as well | 16:08 |
| e0ne | it's a remote LVM management | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | I like it. | 16:08 |
| e0ne | so we can use LVM driver as any other | 16:09 |
| eharney | i don't like the idea of trying to move from the LVM driver to this | 16:09 |
| eharney | but having both, sure | 16:09 |
| hemna | e0ne, nice. I could have used that for my rpi demo :) | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: +1 | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, seems like a cool idea. | 16:09 |
| e0ne | eharney: sure, it's just adding a new (target) driver | 16:09 |
| hemna | I would hope this would be a completely separate driver | 16:10 |
| eharney | target driver? | 16:10 |
| eharney | it should be a volume driver... | 16:10 |
| hemna | eharney, +1 | 16:10 |
| e0ne | eharney, hemna: it makes sense | 16:10 |
| e0ne | I'll propose a patch early next week | 16:10 |
| eharney | doing it as a target driver implies it would still use local lvm, which i think is not the goal unless i'm misinterpreting this | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Seems like it should be handled as a separate driver. | 16:11 |
| e0ne | eharney: target driver is not enough for snapshot-related operations | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | So queens and we would need an associated gate job running to test it, just to state that explicitly. | 16:11 |
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| e0ne | it could be easier to implement a separate driver | 16:12 |
| eharney | it should be a separate driver | 16:12 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: sure, it's too late for P | 16:12 |
| e0ne | eharney: ok | 16:12 |
| eharney | as far as gate jobs, does targetd function on ubuntu? | 16:12 |
| e0ne | eharney: yes | 16:12 |
| eharney | good to know | 16:12 |
| e0ne | eharney: I tried it on my ubuntu-based devstack | 16:13 |
| e0ne | thanks everybody for feedback. It's everything from me if no more questions | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Great, thanks for looking into it. | 16:13 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: np | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | I think that could address a few peoples needs. | 16:13 |
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| eharney | i'll be happy to review | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | That was all on the agenda. Anything else to bring up? Or do we get to get out of here early for once? | 16:14 |
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| e0ne | eharney: thanks! I'll let you know when it will be ready for review | 16:14 |
| hemna | smcginnis, | 16:15 |
| * jungleboyj brings up replication so we can rathole for 45 minutes. | 16:15 | |
| smcginnis | hemna: | 16:15 |
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| e0ne | :) | 16:15 |
| hemna | I tried +A'ing a few of the mark drivers unsupported | 16:15 |
| hemna | there was one that got a response from the maintainer | 16:15 |
| hemna | he said he was working on the CI | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I saw that. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:16 |
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| Swanson | jungleboyj, Still think replication v3 should be no replication. | 16:16 |
| hemna | so I didn't issue a recheck on it, as it would go through | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: Probably OK to wait a few days for that since they appear to be so close. | 16:16 |
| hemna | Swanson, +A | 16:16 |
| e0ne | smcginnis, hemna: the same for virtuozzo driver | 16:16 |
| patrickeast | Swanson: +1 | 16:16 |
| hemna | lets remove replication. | 16:16 |
| e0ne | I believe we can mark drivers as supported once CI issues will be fixed | 16:16 |
| * jungleboyj shakes my head. | 16:16 | |
| mdovgal | hemna, from everywhere. good idea | 16:17 |
| hemna | smcginnis, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463029/ | 16:17 |
| hemna | that one | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yes, as soon as we get good responses we can either abandon or revert those. | 16:17 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1. that's what I replied in IRC | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I'm fine if that really is just over the weekend. But if there's no movement there by late Monday I will do the recheck if no one else does. | 16:17 |
| Swanson | hemna, let custom extra specs handle it for each driver and cinder can wash its hands of it. | 16:17 |
| e0ne | hemna: here is one more https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463030/ | 16:18 |
| hemna | smcginnis, ok cool. I just wanted to raise visibility on it, and that's why I didn't recheck. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: jgriffith must not be here or I think he would be blowing up. :) | 16:18 |
| Swanson | smcginnis, I know, right? | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Cool, thanks. | 16:18 |
| hemna | smcginnis, I doubt it. I think he'd be on the bandwagon :) | 16:18 |
| eharney | on CI... we currently have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471352/ pending to fix the Ceph job | 16:18 |
| patrickeast | also ci related, one thing we may want to consider is that the upstream openstackci stuff is pretty broken for anyone new coming in, doesn't look like its really being maintained | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I think he'd blow up because that was what he was saying all along. :) | 16:19 |
| hemna | hrmm " I promise that this cyle our CI will start reporting again before summer ends." | 16:19 |
| patrickeast | somewhat affects us since we have hard requirements for one | 16:19 |
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| hemna | that's like months from now. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, wrong answer | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Would be nice to have ceph passing again. Since apparently everyone in the user survey uses it. | 16:20 |
| * smcginnis would really, really love to see the NFS job passing again too | 16:20 | |
| eharney | smcginnis: we're reaching out to find some folks on the tempest side now -- we have a regular problem of tempest landing changes which break the Ceph job | 16:20 |
| hemna | patrickeast, the CI projects aren't being maintained? | 16:20 |
| eharney | smcginnis: and we need to find a way to address it in that project | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: +1 | 16:21 |
| patrickeast | hemna: the one for like jenkins jenkins is, but not the like 3rd party ci portion of it | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Seems to be happening more and more. | 16:21 |
| hemna | huh | 16:21 |
| hemna | how are those tempest patches landing in the first place then? | 16:21 |
| patrickeast | hemna: like these directions would 100% not work https://github.com/openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci/blob/master/doc/source/third_party_ci.rst | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: What is broken now? | 16:21 |
| eharney | hemna: Ceph job on tempest is non-voting and it gets ignored. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: Aren't there still regular weekly meetings for third party CI? | 16:21 |
| hemna | :( | 16:21 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: not sure, i haven't been involved with the 3rd party ci stuff much the last few months :( | 16:21 |
| hemna | eharney, that seems like a major problem since ceph is the most widely used backend. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yes, there is still a 3rd Party CI group that meets. | 16:22 |
| * smcginnis is just going to casually drop this right here: https://github.com/stmcginnis/openstack-ci | 16:22 | |
| e0ne | I would like to have ceph job voting once it's fixed | 16:22 |
| eharney | my current hope is to turn off broken tests and try to get Ceph back to voting status in Cinder, Nova, Tempest, etc, so this stops happening | 16:22 |
| eharney | hemna: right | 16:22 |
| hemna | sadness | 16:22 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: yea thats probably a better option at this point | 16:22 |
| eharney | currently things break quicker than they get fixed | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | eharney: +1 | 16:22 |
| e0ne | eharney: it's a good plan! | 16:23 |
| hemna | @!r | 16:23 |
| pewp | hemna (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: +1 | 16:23 |
| Swanson | Out of your mind to use infra's stuff. Yours works great (still). | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Uh uh, pewpbot has gotten angry again. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: ;) | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | Nothing like 3rd Party CI to extend a meeting. | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: No kidding. | 16:24 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, we can go back and rathole on removing replication..... | 16:24 |
| * jungleboyj shuts up | 16:25 | |
| smcginnis | hemna: I guess, since we have time - I've been asking folks at ops meetups and things, and have yet to find anyone that uses or wants replication. :/ | 16:25 |
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| hemna | not surprising really | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | At least via cinder | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | diablo_rojo_phon: hah! | 16:25 |
| Swanson | smcginnis, Exactly! v3, pull it! | 16:25 |
| _alastor_ | On the subject of 3rd-party CI, I've recently written a backup driver, do we require CI or anything beyond unit tests? | 16:25 |
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| patrickeast | smcginnis: i've got one that is interested... the biggest problem is all the "big" deployments are all like on kilo | 16:25 |
| patrickeast | so they don't have it as a feature yet | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | I think karbor had talked about using it at one point, but IIRC there was some technical hurdle to doing that. | 16:26 |
| e0ne | _alastor_: not yet. we not agreed about CI for backup drivers yet | 16:26 |
| hemna | does the ceph driver support replication (or does that even make sense?) ? | 16:26 |
| _alastor_ | e0ne: Thanks. At least it makes my life easy for now :) | 16:26 |
| Swanson | patrickeast, do they know we only cover meteor strike of the primary? | 16:26 |
| eharney | hemna: it does | 16:26 |
| hemna | if it doesn't, that might be why nobody is asking for it/using it | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: Interested in it being an official Cindner API? Or do they just have a need that could easily be addressed by extra specs? | 16:26 |
| patrickeast | Swanson: no, thats the problem : / | 16:26 |
| hemna | huh, I stand corrected then. dang | 16:26 |
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| patrickeast | smcginnis: good point, i suspect they wouldn't really care with the right marketing pitch | 16:27 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: a customer asked me about after our presentation in Boston. they want to be able to protect workloads. so group replication would be handy for that | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | xyang2: That could be more useful than what we have now. | 16:28 |
| * lbragstad sneaks in late | 16:28 | |
| Swanson | I think we are barely 1/4 a$$ed on DR with this stuff and it is hard to explain all the limitations. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | _alastor_: We had wanted to have backup driver CI, but last I looked there's only like two backup tempest tests, so it wasn't that interesting. | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | lbragstad: I suppose you want to talk about policy, huh? :) | 16:29 |
| hemna | Swanson, yah I believe we will always be chasing a ghost with replication and not provide something that's usable for real world scenarios. | 16:29 |
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| lbragstad | smcginnis: only if there is a few minutes in open discussion :) | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | lbragstad: We've just been kind of rambling for the last several minutes, so sure. | 16:30 |
| lbragstad | s/is/are/ | 16:30 |
| mdovgal | lbragstad, we have at least 30) | 16:30 |
| e0ne | smcginnis, _alastor_: we covered all backup APIs via tempest since the last conversation, AFAIK | 16:30 |
| lbragstad | sounds like i get to ramble! | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Oh good | 16:31 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: I need to check if all patches were merged to tempest | 16:31 |
| lbragstad | so - quick update on the policy efforts | 16:33 |
| lbragstad | i've attempted to document the current state of things and how we can make them better | 16:33 |
| lbragstad | my goal was to generate discussions that result in different solutions to the problems at hand | 16:34 |
| lbragstad | (which i think has happened) | 16:34 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/tests/tempest/api/volume/test_volume_backup.py | 16:34 |
| lbragstad | it looks like we're getting close to an optimal solution | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | lbragstad: Great! I'm hoping to pick up my policy-in-code spec for queens. | 16:35 |
| lbragstad | in the interest of cross-project open-ness, it'd be awesome to get some feedback from the cinder folks on the approach | 16:35 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: and there are some tests in a tempest repo | 16:35 |
| lbragstad | smcginnis: ++ sweet! | 16:35 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460344/ attempts to document where we are with policy today | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Cool, thanks. Still not aton, but it's not a lot to cover I guess. | 16:36 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462733/ is an attempt to generate discussion around improving security with policy | 16:36 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464763/ is a specification for global roles | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | lbragstad: Nice! | 16:36 |
| lbragstad | ^ that last one will eventually impact cinder to some extent | 16:36 |
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| lbragstad | i've tried to highlight how projects will be impacted through examples in each of those documents | 16:37 |
| lbragstad | if you have specific questions though, i'd be happy to field them here | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | lbragstad: Cool, I'll have to read through those to see what kind of questions come up. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | lbragstad: The policy meeting overlaps with this one, right? | 16:38 |
| lbragstad | smcginnis: yes, unfortunately | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | lbragstad: Thanks for putting that all together. | 16:38 |
| lbragstad | we ended early today so i was able to swing by | 16:39 |
| lbragstad | jungleboyj: o/ | 16:39 |
| lbragstad | jungleboyj: anytime | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | lbragstad: Maybe one of these times where we have a short agenda we can get it on the list to discuss some more. | 16:39 |
| lbragstad | since policy is scattered across all the projects - my goal with those first two was to level set to try and get everyone on the same page | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | lbragstad: Good goal, IMO. | 16:40 |
| lbragstad | smcginnis: yeah - that would be good idea | 16:40 |
| lbragstad | i'm hoping the work we have staged for queens and rocky will help projects achieve capability APIs | 16:40 |
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| lbragstad | in a way that makes sense | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | i thought i remember cinder having an interest int hat | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | in that* | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | Yep, definitely | 16:41 |
| lbragstad | awesome | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | OK, I'll try to follow up on those. Anyone have anything else to discuss today? | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | smcginnis: awesome - thanks for the time! | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | lbragstad: Thanks for working on that. Glad to see someone pushing it forward. | 16:42 |
| lbragstad | absolutely - ping me anytime if you, or anyone else, has questions | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | OK, I guess we're done for today. Thank you everyone. | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 7 16:43:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-06-07-16.00.html | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-06-07-16.00.txt | 16:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-06-07-16.00.log.html | 16:44 |
| tommylikehu | thanks | 16:44 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thank you! | 16:44 |
| e0ne | see you next week | 16:44 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 7 18:00:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
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| jinli | Hi | 18:02 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | Hi Jin | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Looks like only you and I | 18:02 |
| jinli | :) | 18:03 |
| bh526r | We can do it quickly :) | 18:03 |
| jinli | sure | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #info No update | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #topic Pike Release Tasks and Status | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #info Two patches were approved and merged since last week: | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459894/ Gluon and Proton Version Management | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469369/ Fix doc gate failure | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info Current oustanding patch is Moving hardcoded constants to config file | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455854/ | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #info Jin has consolidated config options from gluon/common/paths.py and gluon/db/sqlalchemy/models.py into gluon/cmd/config.py | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info Jin is working on the update of proton.conf.sample | 18:09 |
| bh526r | #info a new patchset is expected for review | 18:10 |
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| bh526r | #info regarding Replaces uuid.uuid4 with uuidutils.generate_uuid() | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453519/ | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #info The author hasn't responded to review comments for 2 months, which needs to fix the error after "import uuid as UUID" is commented | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | #info We will wait for another 2 weeks. If author still won't respond, we may consider to abandon | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #info Ian has responded to patch Remove elements from core plugin that are simply pass-through | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430446/ | 18:14 |
| bh526r | #info waiting for further review and comment | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | #info (WIP) Devstack plugin is still a work in progress, and not ready for review yet | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404069/ | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | anything else from you, Jin? | 18:16 |
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| jinli | yes | 18:16 |
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| jinli | robert and the others are going to the OPVFN, so we won't do f2f meeting next week? | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | We will, if Ian's proposal is ready. | 18:17 |
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| jinli | ok | 18:18 |
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| jinli | thanks | 18:18 |
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| jinli | that's all I have | 18:18 |
| bh526r | It all depends on Neutron experts' availability, i.e. Ian and Sukhdev, because their availablity and attendance are the most important to move forward. | 18:18 |
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| jinli | ok | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | I will let you know if they confirm their availability - whenever. | 18:19 |
| jinli | sure | 18:19 |
| jinli | thank | 18:19 |
| jinli | you | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | I will adjust my schedule for them | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | If you plan to attend, I will let you know too | 18:20 |
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| jinli | yes, please let me know | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | Among the group, I think only Robert goes to OPNFV next week. I won't go. I will make myself available for Ian and Sukhdev :) | 18:21 |
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| bh526r | anything else? | 18:22 |
| jinli | I am good | 18:22 |
| bh526r | great. That's all for today. Thank you | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:23 |
| bh526r | Bye Jin | 18:23 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 7 18:23:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-06-07-18.00.html | 18:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-06-07-18.00.txt | 18:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-06-07-18.00.log.html | 18:23 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anybody about for the illustrious *storyboard meeting*? | 18:59 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | warning: it will be short! | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | wonderful! | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 7 19:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zara_the_lemur__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic announcements | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | NOTHING TO ANNOUNCE EXCEPT THAT WE ARE HAVING A VERY SHORT MEETING TODAY | 19:00 |
| fungi | woo! | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #info this meeting will go straight to open discussion | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic open discussion | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | okay if anyone wants to say stuff, go for it | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | note your inprogress work, etc | 19:01 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | have a ball | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Party time! | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :D | 19:01 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/ OpenStack Project Infrastructure Design Specifications | 19:01 |
| fungi | i'm trying to get the infra specs tidied | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471859/ | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | I did my part ^^ | 19:01 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: mind adding yourself as the phase 1 assignee in the task tracker spec there and removing it from the help wanted section of the index? | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, did I not do it right? I thought that is what I did | 19:02 |
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| fungi | diablo_rojo: oh! i probably just haven't seen the change yet | 19:03 |
| fungi | zara_the_lemur__: SotK: diablo_rojo: i'm wondering about some of the other storyboard specs we have listed there which might already be implemented or have become out of scope and should be abandoned | 19:03 |
| fungi | for example, we have a spec for adding worklists and boards | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ah, yes, haha, I think SotK wrote that a couple of years ago | 19:04 |
| fungi | i know we already have worklists and boards at this point | 19:04 |
| fungi | so probably already implemented? | 19:04 |
| SotK | I think everything in that spec is now implemented, I'll check later and move it into the place for done specs if so | 19:04 |
| fungi | SotK: that would be a huge help! | 19:04 |
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| fungi | there are several unassigned ones in the help wanted section too (integration tests, story tags, subscriptions and events, branches) | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | as for the others... I think Story Tags is partly implemented, and we have some stuff for Subscriptions and Events but I don't think I've ever looked at the spec for that | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (since both spec + functionality were before my time) | 19:05 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: aha, i see the link you added above is the thing i was asking for... thanks! | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, no problem :) | 19:05 |
| fungi | zara_the_lemur__: cool, any info you come up with will be appreciated. mostly just trying to clear out the cobwebs where we can | 19:06 |
| SotK | iirc subscriptions and events is the old spec for a proper events stream and the ability for folk to subscribe to said stream | 19:06 |
| SotK | I'll check on that later too | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I think the branches stuff is on hiatus indefinitely | 19:07 |
| fungi | saying "this spec is for something completely different than what we ended up with" is fine too. i don't mind updating the spec before moving it into the implemented section, or just abandoning if we went a completely different direction | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (the spec says : "Implementation details should be left to the person that would do the implementation work. What follows is just a suggestion." ) | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (and nobody has focused on doing that work yet) | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (so aiui details tbc) | 19:07 |
| fungi | also fine to leave things which are not getting attention in the help wanted section as long as needed | 19:08 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | cool. :) (at a skim, I think the subscriptions stuff has been at least partially implemented since the other spec was written, since there's stuff about 'install rabbitmq on the storyboard server') | 19:09 |
| fungi | i just wanted to do a better job of tracking what work was going on and knowing where to point people for specs that they can pick up and drive too | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | np | 19:09 |
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| fungi | that's all i had | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we should try to get better at making specs really; there's a lot of stuff we just decide on irc. | 19:10 |
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| fungi | well, i don't mind specless development as long as there's documentation to point people at | 19:10 |
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| fungi | but specs can be useful if you're collaborating and need someone else to be able to easily pick up where you leave off and still know what your vision was for a feature | 19:11 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, storyboard itself can work okay for that, though things are harder to *find* there than in specs since there are more stories (I find it okay for things if I'm around to find the link, but people tend not to stumble across stories without a direct link) | 19:13 |
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| fungi | oh, watcher are discussing in their meeting (today?) whether to migrate to sb | 19:16 |
| fungi | saw that on the ml a little while ago | 19:17 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/117963.html watcher migration to storyboard | 19:17 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yep I emailed them again :) | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Them, Tricircle, and Octavia | 19:17 |
| fungi | cool, and thanks | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | No problem. | 19:18 |
| diablo_rojo | Tricircle was saying that sb isnt intuitive and that they would like to use soemthing else..Haven't responded to that email yet. | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | heh | 19:19 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yeah crafting an email to respond today. | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | In their meeting last night they chatted about it a bit and are looking at the links I sent them | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | hopefully once they read the blog posts and play around a bit, things will get better. | 19:22 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hopefully, and hey, if there are specific things they find confusing, there might be scope for someone to patch it | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Also true. I can mention that as well. | 19:25 |
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| fungi | that reminds me i still want to play around with maintaining a second rethemed and simplified webclient in parallel as a bug reporting interface | 19:26 |
| fungi | depending on what they think is unintuitive that may be what they're looking for | 19:27 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeahhh, I'm also very curious to see what people make of that | 19:27 |
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| fungi | so for advanced task tracking use the main webclient interface, and for just submitting defects here's a url projects can include in their readme files which walks users through it using terminology they're used to/expecting | 19:28 |
| fungi | we'll see how long it takes me to get around to working on that | 19:29 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hahaha | 19:29 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah part of me wants to go 'it should be simple enough so I'll try to take a look' | 19:29 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | but last week I meant to do a ton of reviews | 19:29 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and did one review | 19:29 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so I'm pacing myself. | 19:29 |
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| fungi | right, i too have had to learn to stop volunteering for things i'll never get around to | 19:30 |
| fungi | so i can find time to do the rest | 19:30 |
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| diablo_rojo | zara_the_lemur__, one is better than none :) | 19:31 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) this week I'll aim for two | 19:32 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | okay, any more discussion or shall I end this meeting now? | 19:33 |
| fungi | nothing else on my end! | 19:33 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | great! :) | 19:35 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #endmeeting | 19:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 7 19:35:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-06-07-19.00.html | 19:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-06-07-19.00.txt | 19:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-06-07-19.00.log.html | 19:35 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks, all :) | 19:35 |
| fungi | thanks zara_the_lemur__! | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | Thank you zara_the_lemur__ ! | 19:35 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 7 21:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | hi | 21:00 |
| rledisez | o/ | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:00 |
| notmyname | acoles: tdasilva: clayg: ping | 21:00 |
| acoles | notmyname: pong | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:01 |
| clayg | don't @ me | 21:01 |
| notmyname | don't tell me what to do ;-) | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome, everyone | 21:01 |
| notmyname | agenda this week is at ... | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| notmyname | you'll see that I reorganized that page quite a bit | 21:02 |
| notmyname | I hope it's easier to read now | 21:02 |
| notmyname | also, OH MY there's a lot of stuff on it! | 21:02 |
| tdasilva | it is until you add items to the other meeting | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | heh | 21:02 |
| notmyname | reminder that our next 0700 meeting is june 14 (ie before the next 2100 meeting) and acoles will be leading it | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | let's see how quickly we can go through some stuff | 21:04 |
| clayg | yeah let's go! | 21:04 |
| clayg | go go go ! | 21:04 |
| notmyname | oh! I just saw an email on the mailing list from Erin Disney about the next PTG | 21:04 |
| notmyname | has a registration link and hotel info | 21:04 |
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| timburke | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118002.html | 21:04 |
| notmyname | so be sure to read that | 21:04 |
| notmyname | timburke: thanks | 21:04 |
| clayg | already!? | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118002.html | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | #topic follow-up from previous meeting | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | LSOF status | 21:05 |
| rledisez | nothing new here, didn't had time to do the bench, just writing code | 21:05 |
| notmyname | rledisez: you said you'd been swamped with other stuff and haven't been able to make much progress on this yet | 21:05 |
| notmyname | ack | 21:05 |
| notmyname | TC goals status | 21:05 |
| rledisez | still on todolist, hopefuly for next week | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | acoles did a great job with the uwsgi one | 21:06 |
| clayg | right on! | 21:06 |
| notmyname | although the conversation sortof went in a "but do we really need this?" direction | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | however, it's documented, and as far as I can tell, we're done with that one | 21:06 |
| notmyname | still no progress on the py3 docs | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | Nice | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ok, `mount_check` for containers patch | 21:07 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466255/ | 21:07 |
| patchbot | patch 466255 - swift - Make mount_check option usable in containerized en... | 21:07 |
| notmyname | we discussed it last week. clayg has +2'd it. zaitcev has a +1 | 21:07 |
| notmyname | hmm... cschwede? | 21:07 |
| tdasilva | i think i signed up to review that, but have not had a chance yet, will review tomorrow | 21:07 |
| notmyname | ack | 21:08 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:08 |
| notmyname | ah, yes. you're name is on it in gerrit :-) | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | and depricating known-bad EC config | 21:08 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468105/ | 21:08 |
| patchbot | patch 468105 - swift - Require that known-bad EC schemes be deprecated | 21:08 |
| notmyname | clayg: you have a comment on it saying someone should send an email to the ops mailing list | 21:08 |
| notmyname | clayg: could that someone be you? | 21:09 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah you should do that | 21:09 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:09 |
| notmyname | "someone" ;-) | 21:09 |
| clayg | I can barely spell EC | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | ok ok. I'll do it | 21:09 |
| clayg | we don't have to send jack - we can just merge it | 21:09 |
| clayg | I also don't really know who reads the ops ML? | 21:09 |
| notmyname | well, that shoudl happen too :-) | 21:09 |
| tdasilva | jack might not want to go | 21:09 |
| notmyname | #action notmyname to send email to ops ML about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468105/ | 21:10 |
| patchbot | patch 468105 - swift - Require that known-bad EC schemes be deprecated | 21:10 |
| notmyname | we shouldn't wait for a ML post to land that patch, though | 21:10 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: your name is on it in gerrit too. are you planning on reviewing? | 21:10 |
| clayg | either way - I *think* we landed on we want to make proxies not start in at least some conditions - which is pretty ballsy IMHO - maybe it's a great thing - for our product it means a bunch of work before we can safely upgrade to a version of swift with that behavior - i have no idea what it means for other people | 21:10 |
| notmyname | IIRC the "some conditions" were when you had the bad EC policy as the only policy | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | otherwise, auto-set the bad config to depricated, right? | 21:11 |
| clayg | i'm really pretty sure the code is top shelf (duh, timburke wrote it) - the question is really about what is the process for the canonical openstack never-breaks-compat project when they want to break compat? | 21:11 |
| notmyname | it's not an API compat breakage. it's a "stop slowly deleting data when your have a certain config" change. with a strong signal to move your data to a different policy | 21:12 |
| clayg | notmyname: I guess? is that what timburke implemented? that was one suggestion... is it *really* any better to automatically hide a policy and let you continue to ignore the error? Does it mean any less work for someone that wants to start to consume this version of swift - but *somehow* still doesn't know they have these bad policies and isn't dealing with them? | 21:12 |
| notmyname | timburke: I think that's questions best answered by you | 21:13 |
| clayg | notmyname: data is only corrupted if you have a sufficiently old liberasurecode - which AFAIK isn't really part of the warning | 21:13 |
| clayg | yeah timburke why are you doing this? put your head back in the sand? | 21:13 |
| timburke | clayg: i like turning over rocks? | 21:14 |
| clayg | j/k | 21:14 |
| clayg | lol! | 21:14 |
| notmyname | also, this would be a great place for input from kota_ cschwede acoles mattoliverau tdasilva jrichli (all the cores) | 21:14 |
| notmyname | rledisez: what do you want to happen in this case? | 21:14 |
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| timburke | so the change as it currently stands is to stop services (all of them!) from starting if you have a known-bad policy that hasn't been deprecated | 21:15 |
| rledisez | i would prefer the process not to start. at least it's obvious something must be changed in config, i can't miss it. if policy is auto-set deprecated, an oeprator might miss it and then, getting called because "i can't create containers anymore" | 21:15 |
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| clayg | easier to cache in staging - i like it | 21:16 |
| acoles | clayg: are you saying that isa_l_rs_vand with parity>5 is ok if you have recent libec? | 21:16 |
| clayg | acoles: nope | 21:16 |
| clayg | acoles: just that it doesn't corrupt data | 21:16 |
| timburke | just that we won't still silently corrupt data | 21:16 |
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| clayg | acoles: it might still 503 - we could also add more code to make it 503 less-ish if you can manage to get enough frags to get yourself out of a bad erase list | 21:17 |
| acoles | OIC, we don't corrupt it noisily, we refuse to decode it? | 21:17 |
| timburke | yeah | 21:17 |
| clayg | acoles: but I like don't start if you have these policies - i just have a to write a bunch of code to make sure it doesn't come to that - and we don't really offer cluster-assisted-policy-migration yet - so if someone gets the "if you upgrade swift you are boned" message - there's no clear path to #winning | 21:18 |
| clayg | you could deprecate it and continue to ignore it i guess? | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | Not starting services seems like something that would annoy people, but it seems the lesser of 2 evils. I mean we can log, but loosing data if you miss a log entry is kinda scary | 21:18 |
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| acoles | let's not do this in a release that you also cannot roll back from | 21:19 |
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| clayg | do we support rollback sometimes! | 21:19 |
| notmyname | acoles: yeah, that's a scary part because we've never really done anything around supporting rollbacks | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | although most of the time it should work. probably. | 21:20 |
| kota_ | iirc, the newer pyeclib/liberasurecode stops to decode on that bad case | 21:20 |
| acoles | no but we have had release where we warn that rollback would be really hard e.g. changing hashes.pkl format | 21:20 |
| acoles | I guess if you never start the new release you're ok | 21:21 |
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| timburke | if you really want to continue with the policy un-deprecated, you could always go in and comment out the raise | 21:21 |
| clayg | ugh, i'm bored - this sucks - anyone that has these policies is screwed - but what can we do? Does this patch actually *help* someone? I will punch you in the face until you check this checkbox - BAM do you like that!? <checks checkbox> - warning: you are still hozed | 21:21 |
| kota_ | so operators can deploy the policy but sometimes they will see decode error on reconstructor logs or proxy log on GET requests | 21:21 |
| kota_ | note that that is if the operators uses newer version of pyeclib/liberasurecode | 21:22 |
| clayg | let's just ignore this and work on cluster-assisted-policy-migration? | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | clayg: right, so it's what mattoliverau said. this one is less bad than ignoring it | 21:22 |
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| clayg | ok cool | 21:23 |
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| acoles | timburke: but if you go in, comment out the raise, and find your can read your data, you then feel mad at devs | 21:23 |
| notmyname | I'll send the ML message, and this patch should be reviewed and merged when we like it and operators will be in a better place | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | acoles: if you're editing the code on your own in prod, you're already off the reservation :-) | 21:24 |
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| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:24 |
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| acoles | notmyname: wasn't my suggestion | 21:24 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ok, let's move on. we've at least got a little bit of a plan for it | 21:25 |
| timburke | acoles: you'll find you can read your data just by deprecating the policy, too | 21:25 |
| acoles | timburke: not if it is your only policy | 21:25 |
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| acoles | so, yeah, go make another policy. I know. | 21:25 |
| tdasilva | so did we agree the current patch is ok? | 21:25 |
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| clayg | EVERYTHING IS AWESOME - PAINT IT BLUE! | 21:25 |
| notmyname | it's not a bikeshed argument! | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | but yeah, I haven't heard any other paint colors being proposed ;-) | 21:26 |
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| clayg | i suggested we still have the nuclear-reactor^Wcluster-assisted-policy-migration that would be a great *solution* to these policies being terrible? | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | yes, that would be awesome. but when? m_kazuhiro's had patches to help with that up for a long time | 21:27 |
| timburke | so get behind https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173580/ or https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209329/ first? | 21:27 |
| patchbot | patch 173580 - swift - wip: Cluster assisted Storage Policy Migration | 21:28 |
| patchbot | patch 209329 - swift - WIP: Changing Policies | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: yeah, thats a feature that would make this mute more of a moot point. | 21:28 |
| notmyname | for the time being (ie until we have the cluster assisted policy migration) we've got timburke's patch to not start unless the bad config is depricated | 21:29 |
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| clayg | win! | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's move on | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | looking at nicks that just netsplit, I don't actually think anyone but torgomatic was here in this meeting (and he's already rejoined--if he was doing more than lurking) | 21:31 |
| notmyname | #topic discuss: follow-up vs patch overwrite. what's the better pattern? | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | recently I've noticed us, as a group, doing a lot more of "oh this patch looks good, but..." and proposing a small follow-on patch | 21:31 |
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| acoles | notmyname: both. if patch can be landed now, follow-up, it it needs revisions anyway, overwrite | 21:32 |
| notmyname | maybe that's great. maybe it's better to give the original author diffs or push over the current patch set | 21:32 |
| acoles | unless follow up is so trivial, then overwrite and land | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | so/mute/much | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | Arrg phone autocomplete :p | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | it's something that seems to be a relatively recent change (at least in frequency), so i wanted to address it and either make sure we're all ok with it or know if people are worried by it (or want something differnt) | 21:33 |
| notmyname | so what are your thoughts? | 21:33 |
| notmyname | acoles: seems reasonable (ie "use your judgement") as long as we don't end up getting tests and docs in the follow-up patches? | 21:34 |
| acoles | notmyname: agree | 21:34 |
| notmyname | what do other people thing? | 21:34 |
| notmyname | *think | 21:34 |
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| mattoliverau | Yeah what acoles said, but also follow up if it's a change that's building apon the last one but a little out of scope. | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | Ie, Critical bug (stop bleeding) then maybe improve | 21:36 |
| notmyname | heh, so I can see were not likely to get some "this is good" or "this is bad" sort of comment. but i at least wanted to raise it as a way to point it out as a thing that's happening | 21:36 |
| notmyname | so... pay attention! :-) | 21:36 |
| clayg | notmyname: please clarify, you observed -> doing a lot more of "oh this patch looks good, but..." as opposed to give the original author diffs or push over the current patch set | 21:37 |
| acoles | I sometimes feel we could use commit subject line for more useful words than 'follow up for...' and just use a Related-Change tag in the commit msg body | 21:37 |
| rledisez | i also feel "trust your judgement" is the best choice i feel like the follow-up when you start a patch, and the more you dig, the more you want to change things because the new-way-to-do is diffferent than years ago. so splitting things like the bugfixe vs the code improvement (in a follow-up) seems reasonable. also, it helps separate what's everybody agree and what makes debate | 21:37 |
| notmyname | clayg: yes, correct | 21:37 |
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| clayg | of "give the original author diffs" or "push over the current patch set" which do you thin was more common before you observed this change? | 21:37 |
| jrichli | I have seen two different types of "follow-up" patches. 1) something more that can be done after the original merges 2) a suggested change, intended to be rolled into original, then abandoned | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | I think previously we waited more for the original author to write something (and occasionally gave a diff) -- at least for frequent contributors. | 21:38 |
| jungleboyj | jrichli: That second approach sounds dangerous. | 21:39 |
| acoles | notmyname: but, but... you told us we needed to merge more stuff faster ;) | 21:39 |
| jungleboyj | In that case it would be better to work with the original author to fix it or push up a new patch. | 21:39 |
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| clayg | notmyname: thanks for clarifying; ok, I think trying to approve changes and address additional improvements in follow patches is a categorical improvement and something we did on purpose based on community review sessions that you've lead at summits and stuff | 21:39 |
| notmyname | acoles: I don't think the current situation is necessarily bad | 21:40 |
| jungleboyj | Policy I have always followed is to push up a dependent patch unless it is something really minor that isn't worth waiting for the other person to fix, then push up a new aptch. | 21:40 |
| notmyname | eg https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468011/3 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465184/ | 21:40 |
| patchbot | patch 468011 - swift - Update Global EC docs with reference to composite ... | 21:40 |
| patchbot | patch 465184 - swift - Ring doc cleanups | 21:40 |
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| clayg | don't use docs as the example - doc patches are terrible - they're so subjective | 21:41 |
| timburke | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466952/ maybe fell on the other side of that line | 21:41 |
| patchbot | patch 466952 - swift - Follow-up for per-policy proxy configs (MERGED) | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | they were just easy ones I knew were proposed as follow-on that I had quick access to | 21:41 |
| timburke | though parts of it were definitely out of scope for the original | 21:41 |
| clayg | notmyname: i know i was just whining | 21:42 |
| notmyname | I think landing more stuff faster is better. and it seems like this pattern has helping in that regard | 21:42 |
| mattoliverau | jrichli's second approach is how we're working through sharding patch. Seems to work as we can break down the large patch and then merge it back in. | 21:42 |
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| acoles | notmyname: I'm not sure I see them as follow-up. The ring doc cleanup is standalone, just may been prompted by timburke reviewing another change?? | 21:43 |
| notmyname | but since it is a change, then I want to make sure people are feeling ok with it now that it's been happening for a bit | 21:43 |
| clayg | wfm | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | kota_: tdasilva: are you concerned with the current pattern of using minor follow-on patches? | 21:44 |
| kota_ | hmm | 21:44 |
| kota_ | I'm not feeling so bad on the current follow up use cases right now | 21:45 |
| notmyname | great :-) | 21:45 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: no concern from me. I've noticed different people do different things...hasn't really bothered me | 21:45 |
| notmyname | great :-) | 21:45 |
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| timburke | i definitely find myself more likely to take that second approach -- otherwise i'd worry that by pushing over a patch and +2ing it, the original author may not get a chance to protest before someone else comes along for the +A | 21:45 |
| notmyname | ok, if someone *does* have comments, please feel free to say something, publicly or privately | 21:46 |
| notmyname | ok, let's move on | 21:46 |
| notmyname | #topic priority items | 21:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priority items (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:46 | |
| notmyname | THERE'S SO MUCH STUFF TO DOOOO!! | 21:46 |
| notmyname | ok, we're not going to be able to talk about all the stuff on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | I think I'll take this section and copy it over to the priority reviews page :-) | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | but I do want to mention a few of the high priority bugs and some small follow-on things | 21:47 |
| notmyname | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1568650 | 21:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1568650 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Connection between client and proxy service does not closes" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to drax (devesh-gupta) | 21:47 |
| notmyname | related to https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1572719 | 21:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1572719 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Client may hold socket open after ChunkWriteTimeout" [High,Confirmed] | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | high priority bugs, open for a while, no current patches for them | 21:48 |
| notmyname | is there someone who can look in to them this week? if not to write a full patch, at least to outline what needs to be done to help someone who *can* write a patch | 21:48 |
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| clayg | yeah... stupid connection close bugs... timburke found another one | 21:48 |
| notmyname | yep | 21:49 |
| notmyname | timburke: you seem to be on this topic lately. can you check these? | 21:49 |
| clayg | whoa! poor timburke :'( | 21:49 |
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| clayg | i was going to just suggest we move the medium and wait for them to bite us? | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | maybe that's the best | 21:50 |
| timburke | i suppose i can try... need to go digging into eventlet anyway... | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | right, I mean keep these in mind as you're doing the investigation on the new bug you found | 21:51 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | ok, next: DB replicators lose metadata | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302494/ | 21:51 |
| patchbot | patch 302494 - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator | 21:51 |
| notmyname | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1570118 | 21:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1570118 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Metadata can be missing by account/container replication" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Daisuke Morita (morita-daisuke) | 21:52 |
| kota_ | I added +2 already? | 21:52 |
| notmyname | kota_: you did! thanks! | 21:52 |
| clayg | i'ma look at that | 21:52 |
| notmyname | clayg: thanks! | 21:52 |
| clayg | werd | 21:52 |
| notmyname | ok, we already mentioned the EC docs updates... | 21:52 |
| notmyname | now https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1652323 | 21:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1652323 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "ssync syncs an expired object as a tombstone, probe test_object_expirer fails" [Medium,Confirmed] | 21:53 |
| kota_ | timburke: fyi -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471613/ | 21:53 |
| patchbot | patch 471613 - swift - Use config_number method instead of node_id + 1 | 21:53 |
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| kota_ | related on the db_replicator's probe | 21:53 |
| timburke | kota_: i saw; thanks | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | acoles: on that bug, anything to do right now? it's listed as medium | 21:53 |
| notmyname | the title mentions the probe tests failing, but the comments indicate something more serious (ssynv failing to replicate data) | 21:54 |
| notmyname | which is why I mention it here today | 21:54 |
| acoles | notmyname: I'm not sure how best to close that one. I discussed it with rledisez this week - do we do a lot of work to be able to reconstruct an expired frag, or just ignore that it is missing ... cos it has expired anyway?? | 21:55 |
| notmyname | rledisez: is this something your devs at OVH can help with? | 21:55 |
| acoles | notmyname: we fixed the probe test with a workaround | 21:55 |
| notmyname | ah, ok | 21:55 |
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| acoles | but we didn;t fix ssync :/ | 21:55 |
| notmyname | ok, so we need to update tis bug or get a different bug to track | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | which do you think is best? | 21:56 |
| rledisez | notmyname: right now no, but i want this fixed, so i might take some time to look into it, but i still don't know what would be the best way | 21:56 |
| acoles | the recent change rledisez made so we can open an expired diskfile helps, but doesn;t get us everything we need to fix this one | 21:56 |
| acoles | notmyname: I'll update the bug | 21:56 |
| notmyname | acoles: perfect. thanks | 21:56 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439572/ | 21:56 |
| patchbot | patch 439572 - swift - Limit number of revert tombstone SSYNC requests | 21:56 |
| notmyname | for https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1668857 | 21:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1668857 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "EC reconstructor revert tombstone SSYNCs with too many primaries" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Mahati Chamarthy (mahati-chamarthy) | 21:57 |
| acoles | any other opinions - missing frag, but expired, can we just leave it missing?? | 21:57 |
| tdasilva | acoles: what's the cons to that? | 21:57 |
| notmyname | kota_: on this patch, youv'e got a +1 | 21:57 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: inconsistent state, for a while | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | kota_: will you get a chance to revisit it? | 21:58 |
| kota_ | notmyname: yup, i reviewd yesterday again but i'm still on +1 not +2 yet | 21:58 |
| kota_ | still want to collect clay's opinion | 21:58 |
| notmyname | kota_: ok. what do you want to see before you get to a +2? what's missing? | 21:58 |
| notmyname | oh, clayg is already +2 ;-) | 21:58 |
| kota_ | diff from clay's description with current code | 21:58 |
| kota_ | for the number of primary nodes to push the tombstone | 21:58 |
| clayg | kota_: is it > 3 and < replicas? I will +2 it so hard! | 21:59 |
| kota_ | i added my thought yesterday so now waiting on the ack. I just was thinking to poke clayg after this meeting | 21:59 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:59 |
| kota_ | it's on non duplicated case | 21:59 |
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| kota_ | to clayg | 21:59 |
| clayg | k, we can chat | 22:00 |
| notmyname | kota_: clayg: thank you | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | ok, we're at time, but please check the other patches linked on the meeting agenda (and i'll move them to the priority reviews page as well) | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thank you, everyone, for your work on swift | 22:01 |
| notmyname | and thanks for coming today! | 22:01 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 22:01 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 7 22:01:17 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-06-07-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-06-07-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-06-07-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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