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| joehuang | hellio | 01:01 |
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| dongfeng | hi | 01:01 |
| zhiyuan | hi | 01:01 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 24 01:01:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:01 |
| Yipei | hi | 01:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 01:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 01:01 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 01:02 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 01:02 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 01:02 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 01:02 |
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| joehuang | #topic feature implementation review | 01:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "feature implementation review (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:03 | |
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| joehuang | hello, we have a break on the weekly meeting two weeks for boston summit and bugsmash | 01:04 |
| joehuang | let | 01:04 |
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| joehuang | please has a short description about your feature implementation | 01:04 |
| yinxiulin | I am implementing sfc function | 01:05 |
| yinxiulin | already submint a patch for create and delete | 01:05 |
| dongfeng | I prepare to implement routing pagination. still read neutron pagination source code. | 01:05 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:05 |
| joehuang | to Dongfeng, I think it's also good to implement the routing cli in python-tricircleclient | 01:06 |
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| joehuang | sorry, async job cli | 01:06 |
| joehuang | instead | 01:06 |
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| joehuang | I recall that async job api was implemented, but cli is lack yet | 01:07 |
| dongfeng | use command line to call async job api? | 01:07 |
| joehuang | you can refer to pod routing cli implementation in python-tricircleclcient | 01:08 |
| joehuang | both SDK and cli | 01:08 |
| joehuang | https://github.com/openstack/python-tricircleclient | 01:08 |
| dongfeng | ok. I'll have a try | 01:08 |
| Yipei | for lbaas, already reinstalled the octavia with tricircle, plan to test lbaas in the new env. and check whether the amphora reboot happens | 01:08 |
| joehuang | There are some patches to implement pod routing cli, you can refer to https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-tricircleclient | 01:09 |
| joehuang | ok, look forward to the news of lbaas | 01:10 |
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| Yipei | ok | 01:10 |
| dongfeng | to joe, thanks, I'll refer to those patch and try to implement async job cli. | 01:11 |
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| joehuang | there are several bugs and feature to be implemented during OPNFV demo preparation, zhiyuan, could you have a summary of the bugs not fixed? | 01:11 |
| joehuang | during the opnfv demo preparation, cli to fix abnormal async job is very helpful | 01:12 |
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| zhiyuan | We found four bugs during the demo setup and two of them have been fixed in the bugsmash | 01:13 |
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| zhiyuan | the two left are "Local FIP not created after central FIP creation" and "Bridge network segment ID conflicts with local network's" | 01:13 |
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| zhiyuan | here are the bug links: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tricircle/+bug/1691918 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/tricircle/+bug/1692415 | 01:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1691918 in Tricircle "Local FIP not created after central FIP creation" [Undecided,New] | 01:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1692415 in Tricircle "Bridge network segment ID conflicts with local network's" [Undecided,New] | 01:14 |
| joehuang | #info two bugs left are "Local FIP not created after central FIP creation" and "Bridge network segment ID conflicts with local network's" | 01:14 |
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| joehuang | great, hope this bug fix can be landed in Pike2 | 01:14 |
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| dongfeng | btw, what's the time of pike2? | 01:15 |
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| zhiyuan | yes, before the fix, we need to (1) create a FIP then update it to associate with port (2) instead of creating local type network, try creating a flat/vxlan/vlan type network and specifying the AZ as region name | 01:16 |
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| zhiyuan | according to the schedule, pike-2 is from Jun 05 to Jun 09 | 01:22 |
| joehuang | we 'll release on Jun 09 | 01:23 |
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| dongfeng | ok. got it | 01:24 |
| joehuang | #topic Pike-2 preparation | 01:25 |
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| joehuang | as what we just discussed, we'd like to release the pike-2 on Jun 9 | 01:25 |
| joehuang | so would like to see if there is any challenges | 01:26 |
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| dongfeng | routing pagination needs more time, | 01:27 |
| zhiyuan | don't own any feature task so it's fine for me :) | 01:27 |
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| Yipei | no challenges currently, but i might encounter some problems and need your help. | 01:29 |
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| hejiawei | Should metering complete before Jun 9? | 01:30 |
| joehuang | QoS will be a challenge to land on pike-2 | 01:30 |
| joehuang | the spec is still in review | 01:31 |
| joehuang | and code update is not so frequently | 01:31 |
| joehuang | for metering, the spec is also in review | 01:31 |
| joehuang | if you want to land early, please update in time too | 01:32 |
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| RonghUI | ok | 01:32 |
| hejiawei | got it | 01:32 |
| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 01:33 |
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| joehuang | any other topic? | 01:34 |
| dongfeng | for pagination, dose it need reverse shown feature? | 01:34 |
| joehuang | what do you mean "reverse"? | 01:34 |
| dongfeng | after one page is listed, then list the previous page rather than next page | 01:35 |
| joehuang | need to check nova api server list and neutron port list | 01:39 |
| dongfeng | ok. | 01:40 |
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| zhiyuan | neutron api support reverse | 01:40 |
| joehuang | for nova, seems no reverse | 01:41 |
| dongfeng | yes. nova has no reverse | 01:41 |
| joehuang | only maker for next | 01:41 |
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| zhiyuan | https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/networking/v2/#pagination | 01:41 |
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| joehuang | ok, nuetron seems do it better than nova in query support | 01:42 |
| joehuang | so follow neutron pagination | 01:43 |
| dongfeng | got it~ | 01:43 |
| dongfeng | now no other topic for me | 01:43 |
| joehuang | other topic? | 01:44 |
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| Yipei | no for me | 01:45 |
| zhiyuan | no | 01:45 |
| RonghUI | no for me | 01:45 |
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| joehuang | ok, let's end the meeting | 01:46 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 01:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 24 01:46:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-05-24-01.01.html | 01:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-05-24-01.01.txt | 01:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-05-24-01.01.log.html | 01:46 |
| joehuang | thank you | 01:46 |
| dongfeng | :) bye | 01:46 |
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| gongysh | hi | 05:29 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 05:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 24 05:30:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 05:30 |
| gongysh | hi everyone | 05:30 |
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| gongysh | welcome to tacker meeting | 05:30 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 05:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:31 | |
| YanXing_an | hello | 05:31 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram hi | 05:32 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, hi | 05:32 |
| YanXing_an | two man's date? | 05:33 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, it seems there are two of us in the meeting. | 05:33 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, lets start | 05:34 |
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| YanXing_an | hahaha, ok | 05:34 |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 05:34 |
| dkushwaha | sorry I am late | 05:34 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, it is just on time. | 05:34 |
| gongysh | ok, we have one more. | 05:34 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, welcome | 05:35 |
| YanXing_an | dkushwaha, nice to see you here | 05:35 |
| gongysh | #topic annoucement | 05:35 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "annoucement (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:35 | |
| gongysh | 1. meeting time change is requested at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467443/ | 05:35 |
| gongysh | once merged, we will update the meeting time. | 05:36 |
| gongysh | 2. we have merged 6+ patches last week. a big progress | 05:36 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, can we give +1 on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467443/ ? | 05:37 |
| YanXing_an | Will send a email to declare the meeting time changes? | 05:37 |
| * sridhar_ram rolls in .. | 05:38 | |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, anyone can review. | 05:38 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, come on. | 05:38 |
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| gongysh | #topic project activity | 05:38 |
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| gongysh | http://stackalytics.com/?metric=commits&module=tacker-group | 05:38 |
| sridhar_ram | apologies for the delay | 05:38 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, welcome | 05:38 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an and me were thinking this would be a two-men date meeting. | 05:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | :) | 05:39 |
| gongysh | our commit activities is still behind on the http://stackalytics.com/ ranking board. | 05:40 |
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| gongysh | core members should be more active. | 05:41 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 05:41 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, do you have anything to say about your bp? | 05:41 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, I could not work much on this in this week | 05:42 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, ok, I have some more comments on it. | 05:42 |
| gongysh | we should merge it before p2 deadline. | 05:42 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh, yes will update it. | 05:43 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, this feature is of the first priority on feature completeness of this tacker cycle. | 05:43 |
| gongysh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448109/ | 05:44 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, I have a question , how can i get network_src_port_id | 05:44 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, maybe your standalone CP01, or by input | 05:44 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: it is the neutron port uuid of the first VNFs ingress CP | 05:45 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: this is where neutron-sfc applies the classifier to steer traffic | 05:45 |
| sridhar_ram | .. in the chain | 05:45 |
| sridhar_ram | *into | 05:45 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, I think we can treat the first part on path as the network_src_port_id. | 05:45 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, so it should be their before VNF instance creation? | 05:46 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, ^ | 05:46 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha, creates path (CP01->CP11->CP13->CP21->CP31) | 05:46 |
| YanXing_an | sridhar_ram, yes, it's the first point of flow classifier applied | 05:46 |
| gongysh | you can put CP01 as the network_src_port_id. | 05:47 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: no, it can't be known before VNF-1 instantiates | 05:47 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: the string "CP01" is just a string label | 05:47 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, requirements: | 05:47 |
| gongysh | - forwarder: CP01 | 05:47 |
| gongysh | - forwarder: VNF1 | 05:47 |
| gongysh | capability: forwarder1 #CP11 | 05:47 |
| gongysh | - forwarder: VNF1 | 05:48 |
| gongysh | capability: forwarder3 #CP13 | 05:48 |
| gongysh | - forwarder: VNF2 | 05:48 |
| gongysh | capability: forwarder1 #CP21 | 05:48 |
| gongysh | - forwarder: VNF3 | 05:48 |
| gongysh | capability: forwarder1 #CP31 | 05:48 |
| gongysh | symmetrical: true | 05:48 |
| gongysh | the string label is the same in forwarder path. | 05:48 |
| gongysh | should be the same. | 05:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | that's fine .. as along as we don't hardcode or interpret the suffix number (01) in the CP | 05:49 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, i think network_src_port_id can not be CP01. In my testbed, it's the gateway port uuid | 05:50 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, gongysh i am referring https://github.com/openstack/tacker/blob/master/samples/tosca-templates/vnffgd/tosca-vnffgd-sample.yaml and http://docs.oasis-open.org/tosca/tosca-nfv/v1.0/csd03/tosca-nfv-v1.0-csd03.html#_Toc447714731 | 05:51 |
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| gongysh | dkushwaha, https://github.com/openstack/tacker/blob/master/samples/tosca-templates/vnffgd/tosca-vnffgd-sample.yaml#L18 | 05:51 |
| gongysh | it specifies the network_src_port_id. | 05:51 |
| gongysh | we still need a way to do the same thing in your spec. | 05:52 |
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| YanXing_an | traffic sent to network_src_port_id will be transfered the first forwarder VNF. | 05:53 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: I'm afraid you might be correct | 05:53 |
| * sridhar_ram checking networking-sfc docs | 05:53 | |
| gongysh | so if we do not take the first part of the path as network_src_port_id, we need another way to do it. | 05:54 |
| dkushwaha | gongysh, sridhar_ram I am not clear, but I think I am agree with YanXing_an | 05:54 |
| gongysh | maybe it is the input of the NS, just like the way we do in vnffg spec. | 05:54 |
| YanXing_an | network_src_port_id -> vnf1 -> cp1 -> vnf2 -> cp2 -> ... | 05:54 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448109/5/specs/pike/vnffg-ns.rst, it should be network_src_port_id -> cp01 -> vnf1:forward1 -> vnf1:forwarder3 ... | 05:56 |
| gongysh | right? | 05:56 |
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| sridhar_ram | this behavior will be dictated by neutron-sfc .. we can try automating finding the "upstream" router port where the CP01 network is connected to | 05:58 |
| gongysh | ok, dkushwaha so we need to elaborate the spec on the network_src_port_id | 05:59 |
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| dkushwaha | gongysh, I need to look more into this | 05:59 |
| gongysh | in vnffg, we are using input parameter to deal with it. | 05:59 |
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| gongysh | also for symmetric chain, we also need a network_dst_port_id. | 06:00 |
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| gongysh | 30 mins past | 06:00 |
| gongysh | next bps | 06:00 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, i will spend some time on this bp | 06:01 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, thanks | 06:01 |
| gongysh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459520/ | 06:01 |
| gongysh | Use mistral to do vim reachability monitor | 06:01 |
| gongysh | we have got two +2 | 06:02 |
| gongysh | can anyone of you approve it? | 06:02 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: i'll do it | 06:02 |
| gongysh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467479/ | 06:02 |
| gongysh | Implement VNF monitor policies with Mistral workflow | 06:02 |
| gongysh | I have write one more | 06:02 |
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| gongysh | after barbican, and these two specs, we will remove the obstacle to scale our tacker server. | 06:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: i need to review vnf-monitor spec, but a quick question .. does this also use polling from mistral_action back to tacker conductor | 06:04 |
| gongysh | yes | 06:05 |
| sridhar_ram | hmm... | 06:05 |
| gongysh | to remove it, we need to enhance mistral itself | 06:06 |
| sridhar_ram | perhaps a dumb question, can mistral action listen on an "unique" rpc channel .. | 06:06 |
| sridhar_ram | .. can this channel.. arg.. topic saved in the tacker-db and used to "stop" mistral action ? | 06:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | tacker-conductor will be bombarded with polls from all the moinitored VNFs and VIMs | 06:08 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, allow tacker conductor to notifyy the actions is one way to do it. | 06:10 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: exactly ... | 06:10 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, lets do this way before mistral fixes its problem. | 06:10 |
| sridhar_ram | great .. this will go a long way towards scalability | 06:11 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, thanks the idea. | 06:12 |
| sridhar_ram | sure | 06:12 |
| gongysh | block volumes support bp | 06:12 |
| gongysh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453442/ | 06:12 |
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| gongysh | it seems the author slept for a long time. | 06:13 |
| gongysh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/434974/ | 06:13 |
| gongysh | Add service assurance engine for E2E services | 06:13 |
| gongysh | this should be dealing with some kind of design bugs in VNFFG | 06:14 |
| gongysh | #topic bugs | 06:15 |
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| trinaths | o/ | 06:15 |
| gongysh | trinaths, hi | 06:15 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465080/ | 06:15 |
| YanXing_an | need more reviews on barbican | 06:15 |
| gongysh | this is YanXing_an's brbican integration | 06:16 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, you need to consider the db migration | 06:16 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, ok, i will add it | 06:16 |
| sridhar_ram | The reporter of https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1691792 is looking for some help | 06:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1691792 in tacker "Can't create forwarding graph on tacker" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 06:17 |
| gongysh | and to consider the existed VIM which has no your defined key_type. | 06:17 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: i'll review ur barbican | 06:17 |
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| sridhar_ram | .. patchset | 06:17 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, yes, but I think the reporter pasted the log on tacker client side, not tacker server side. | 06:18 |
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| YanXing_an | sridhar_ram, nice to have your review opinions. thanks | 06:18 |
| gongysh | so we are not able to tell what is happened on server side. | 06:18 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: sure | 06:18 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: agree, we need server logs ... | 06:18 |
| gongysh | I have no other bugs to talk about. | 06:19 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I remember you have a patch to unified the openstack drivers. | 06:20 |
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| YanXing_an | if existed vim has key_type, it will use fernet_key in local file system | 06:20 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: yes, i need to revive it and re-spin ... will get to it next week | 06:20 |
| YanXing_an | -> has no key_type | 06:20 |
| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 06:21 |
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| gongysh | so what other stuff do you guys want to talk? | 06:22 |
| YanXing_an | I think we need validate tosca template, what do you think? | 06:22 |
| YanXing_an | for example, https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1693070 | 06:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1693070 in tacker "Should only support one mgmt-ports" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Yan Xing'an (yanxingan) | 06:23 |
| sridhar_ram | also, there was this weird issue reported here .. https://answers.launchpad.net/tacker/+question/633708 | 06:24 |
| sridhar_ram | i was scratching my head | 06:24 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, 2017-05-23 12:46:42.704 8178 DEBUG tacker.vnfm.plugin [req-14c6d1e2-ec5d-4da8-b582-0d55236fea13 2db962522806470c98bc1c4c1be4c002 b078332877a243c3be1644d4ae77f439 - - -] unknown vim driver openstack in ['noop', 'openstack'] | 06:25 |
| gongysh | unknown vim driver openstack in ['noop', 'openstack']? | 06:26 |
| gongysh | haha | 06:26 |
| sridhar_ram | yeah, but the type is 'openstack' from the vim-list output | 06:26 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXing_an: need to think a bit, if multiple mgmt CPs are valid for any particular use-case .. | 06:27 |
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| sridhar_ram | ... i *think* it shd be okay to restrict it to one per VNF | 06:27 |
| sridhar_ram | need to update this doc if we change this behavior .. https://docs.openstack.org/developer/tacker/devref/vnfd_template_description.html | 06:28 |
| YanXing_an | maybe openstack is not added into infra driver | 06:29 |
| YanXing_an | sridhar_ram, yes, i will think it | 06:29 |
| gongysh | ok time is up. | 06:30 |
| sridhar_ram | mgmt-driver can be configured to accept a list of mgmt_ips and process it | 06:30 |
| gongysh | thanks everyone. | 06:30 |
| YanXing_an | if infra_driver not in self._vnf_manager: maybe self._vnf_manager is empty? | 06:30 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 06:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 24 06:30:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-05-24-05.30.html | 06:30 |
| sridhar_ram | bye folks | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-05-24-05.30.txt | 06:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-05-24-05.30.log.html | 06:30 |
| gongysh | lets go to tacker channel | 06:30 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 24 09:00:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
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| oneswig | #link Agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_May_24th_2017 | 09:00 |
| oneswig | Good morning etc. | 09:00 |
| oneswig | verdurin sends apologies - conflict with STFC UK cloud working group | 09:01 |
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| priteau | Good morning oneswig | 09:03 |
| oneswig | Hi priteau good morning | 09:03 |
| priteau | It seems very quiet today | 09:03 |
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| priteau | Is everyone out enjoying the sunshine? | 09:03 |
| oneswig | It is indeed. | 09:03 |
| oneswig | Very nice here. I met with some of your colleagues from Oxford yesterday. | 09:04 |
| oneswig | Square Kilometre Array workshop | 09:05 |
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| priteau | I haven't seen much OpenStack activity in Oxford yet. Cambridge seems way ahead. | 09:05 |
| oneswig | I was interested if Chameleon keeps track of the scientific papers generated using the system? | 09:05 |
| oneswig | Would probably be a quite sizeable collection if true! | 09:06 |
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| oneswig | These are people from Oxford using an OpenStack system at Cambridge, that is true... | 09:07 |
| priteau | Yes, we ask our users to communicate their publications when they request a renewal of their Chameleon project. We also search on Google Scholar, for those users who forget to do it ;-) | 09:07 |
| oneswig | Did you see the user-committee thread from Tim Bell? | 09:07 |
| priteau | Yes, I read the thread. | 09:07 |
| oneswig | #link for the record http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2017-May/002051.html | 09:07 |
| priteau | I will check our publication list | 09:07 |
| priteau | I expect that many papers will just be using bare-metal nodes to run something else than OpenStack, they shouldn't really be in this archive | 09:08 |
| oneswig | Thanks priteau, that's a great way to seed the collection. I wonder how we could keep it current and maintained | 09:08 |
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| priteau | But I will look out for any OpenStack-specific ones | 09:08 |
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| oneswig | We've been mapping CephFS into our bare metal nodes as a home filesystem. Does anything like that happen on Chameleon? | 09:09 |
| oneswig | It's got some interesting attributes... | 09:09 |
| priteau | We've set up Ceph as a backend for Swift so we encourage users to use the object store | 09:10 |
| priteau | This sounds very interesting. Do you have more details about how you set it up? | 09:10 |
| oneswig | From within the bare metal instances? | 09:10 |
| oneswig | priteau: I ought to write it up. But for now, it's fairly straightforward. We made storage pools for the project and generated a key that's shared between users of that project. | 09:11 |
| oneswig | The key is provided to user instances via Barbican - but actually it's just some Ansible that grafts it into place and does the fs mount | 09:11 |
| oneswig | So we could have used ansible vault (but I prefer this solution because the ansible goes up onto github) | 09:12 |
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| oneswig | The other tweak I've been deploying on these nodes is a PAM module that enables ssh connections to be authenticated with Keystone | 09:13 |
| priteau | I am not familiar with the authn/authz in CephFS. If users can get root, is it a security risk? | 09:13 |
| oneswig | to their own project, quite likely. | 09:14 |
| oneswig | We do pools and keys per project to contain the risk | 09:14 |
| priteau | And each bare-metal node is set up to talk to CephFS on behalf of only one project at a time? | 09:15 |
| oneswig | On this system, the project admins deploy the 'appliance' and users login as users | 09:15 |
| oneswig | priteau: correct - the instances only server one project | 09:15 |
| priteau | I see | 09:15 |
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| priteau | I would like to investigate something like that over the summer. It would be a good alternative to the lack of Cinder volumes for Ironic | 09:16 |
| oneswig | We are seeing OK performance for larger writes but scattered IO and metadata is currently pretty poor. There's a study to be done on how and why | 09:17 |
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| oneswig | priteau: true - and using this key users can access ceph rbd direct too. Not that anyone does at present | 09:17 |
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| oneswig | It works for an appliance model, where automated middleware deployment can include fiddly site config | 09:18 |
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| oneswig | What's the news on the next phase of Chameleon? | 09:18 |
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| oneswig | priteau: cinder volumes for Ironic is still undergoing active development from what I've seen. Don't give up on that just yet... | 09:21 |
| priteau | oneswig: nothing new regarding the next phase at this point | 09:23 |
| priteau | In the meantime we're starting work on upgrade our venerable Liberty installation to Ocata! | 09:24 |
| oneswig | Ah interesting. How is it deployed? | 09:24 |
| priteau | RDO + OpenStack Puppet | 09:24 |
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| oneswig | Our current project has now filled the system. It needs a mechanism for resource reservation... | 09:25 |
| oneswig | Ever heard of Blazar in Kolla? | 09:26 |
| priteau | We'll probably stick to this approach at first to stay in known territory, but I have heard about this thing called Kayobe… | 09:26 |
| oneswig | ha! Step into my office :-) | 09:26 |
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| oneswig | It's still going well for us. Quite happy with it. Adding Barbican to our deployment for example just worked | 09:27 |
| priteau | I don't know of anyone using Blazar in Kolla, but if we get to investigate Kolla, I will let you know | 09:27 |
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| priteau | Anyway, Blazar is following the same patterns as other OpenStack projects, so it shouldn't be complex to build images for it | 09:28 |
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| oneswig | If the resource contention on our system gets more acute, we could make a case for integrating Blazar. Are you still carrying local patches for it, or is everything upstream? | 09:28 |
| priteau | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/blazar-images | 09:28 |
| oneswig | only last month! Good to see some activity here. Will definitely follow up on that. | 09:29 |
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| priteau | Chameleon still has many patches locally (because we're still running Liberty), but upstream is fixing lots of issues. We're aiming for a solid release for Pike. | 09:31 |
| oneswig | I'd be interested to help with any investigation of kayobe. Let us know if you get the chance. | 09:31 |
| priteau | Will do | 09:32 |
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| oneswig | OK, I don't think I had anything else to raise. Any other news from you? | 09:33 |
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| priteau | We had good discussions at the summit about preemtible instances. Because Blazar already needs to terminate instances from nodes at the end of a reservation, it might take responsibility for being a "reaper" service in general. | 09:35 |
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| oneswig | That sounds good. Does it overlap with work already done for OPIE in that respect? | 09:36 |
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| priteau | I haven't looked at OPIE yet, but I assume it would overlap. But Nova core devs want the reaper activity done outside of nova-{conductor,scheduler} | 09:38 |
| priteau | I don't think we'll have time to actively work on this in the Pike cycle though | 09:39 |
| oneswig | sorry - phone call | 09:41 |
| priteau | no problem | 09:42 |
| oneswig | In the pike cycle I'm very interested in the scheduler properties and how they apply to Ironic | 09:42 |
| oneswig | Must have good potential for what you can do on Chameleon as well - it's a natural place for us to attach BIOS/RAID changes - the kind of "deep reconfigurability" Chameleon talks aobut? | 09:43 |
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| priteau | We actually had few requests for changing BIOS settings | 09:47 |
| priteau | Mostly making sure SR-IOV is enabled | 09:47 |
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| b1airo | belated greets | 09:47 |
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| priteau | Hi b1airo | 09:47 |
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| oneswig | Hi b1airo how's things | 09:47 |
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| b1airo | good good - school open night scavenger hunt done | 09:48 |
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| oneswig | excellent. It's just me and priteau so far and we were catching up on our bare metal projects | 09:48 |
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| b1airo | how do folks feel about pushing this slot out one hour later | 09:48 |
| b1airo | ah ok, i thought it seemed quiet | 09:49 |
| oneswig | Works for me. | 09:49 |
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| oneswig | Adam's out at a cloud workshop and sent his apologies. | 09:49 |
| b1airo | i'm quite keen to get ironic going at monash sometime soon | 09:49 |
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| b1airo | wondering if anyone has experience using it in a v1 Cell ...? | 09:50 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: not that I'm aware of, although doesn't CERN have a cell of Ironic and weren't they running cells v1? | 09:50 |
| priteau | I am fine with changing the time slot | 09:51 |
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| b1airo | yeah i am sure CERN has at least played with Ironic but not sure if they have done it in their prod cloud | 09:52 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: can you put a mail out to os-ops on the time change? Its worth getting a few more opinions | 09:53 |
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| b1airo | yeah certainly will | 09:54 |
| oneswig | b1airo: for a presentation I was looking for an image of M3 or Monarch infrastructure - there's nothing I could find, howcome? | 09:54 |
| b1airo | other option would be to pull it back a couple of hours, but i haven't looked at how that works TZ-wise | 09:54 |
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| b1airo | oh.. like a picture of physical kit? | 09:55 |
| b1airo | love a bit of rack pr0n | 09:55 |
| oneswig | Yes - usual kind of stuff, for a slide on "prior art" | 09:55 |
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| oneswig | Is that kind of filth banned in Australia or something?? | 09:56 |
| b1airo | you're presenting something soon? | 09:56 |
| oneswig | yesterday :- | 09:56 |
| b1airo | haha, yeah we are very conservative here don't you know | 09:56 |
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| b1airo | i will have to dig a bit, i don't actually have any such imagery for M3 on hand | 09:56 |
| oneswig | no problem. It was much easier to find an image of Chameleon... | 09:57 |
| b1airo | 4 (now 5) heterogeneously populated racks is a bit hard to make look nice for those purposes i guess | 09:57 |
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| oneswig | OK we are nearly out of time - anything else to cover? | 09:58 |
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| priteau | Wasn't there something about the IRC channel? | 09:58 |
| oneswig | Ah - true. We have scientific-wg up and running and I believe the infra is eavesdropping on it and taking logs too. | 09:59 |
| b1airo | ah great | 09:59 |
| oneswig | When the time change goes through, we could also do a channel change to meet on #scientific-wg | 09:59 |
| oneswig | seems like a good idea to me. | 10:00 |
| priteau | oneswig: I remember seeing discussion about doing meetings in non #openstack-meeting-* channels with arguments against it | 10:00 |
| oneswig | priteau: got link to it? | 10:00 |
| priteau | I am looking for it | 10:00 |
| oneswig | ah - time's up, we should clear off. Follow up afterwards on it? | 10:01 |
| oneswig | Might be worth just having the discussion on the list | 10:01 |
| b1airo | yep, i'll email... | 10:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 24 10:01:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-05-24-09.00.html | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-05-24-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-05-24-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
| oneswig | thanks b1airo priteau - until next time | 10:01 |
| b1airo | cheers! | 10:01 |
| b1airo | PS: are you planning to come to Sydney? | 10:01 |
| oneswig | oh yes | 10:01 |
| oneswig | Can you make it over? :-) | 10:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #info agenda | 15:00 |
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| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 24 15:00:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:00 |
| fungi | ad_rien_: the meetbot won't recognize commands prefixed with whitespace | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #info agenda | 15:01 |
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| EmilienM | ad_rien_: you need to run #startmeeting again | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 Agenda Line 597 | 15:01 |
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| msimonin | o/ | 15:01 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | EmilienM: thanks, just a stupid C/P | 15:02 |
| rcherrueau | o/ | 15:02 |
| mriedem | is it coincidental i was just pinged and also replying to emails in the ML about massively distributed something or other? | 15:02 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:02 |
| mabderrahim | o/ | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so roundtable as usual | 15:02 |
| Menthos | o/ | 15:02 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 15:02 |
| georgk | hi | 15:02 |
| breton | parnexius: hi, please don't copypaste things like that | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | I just C/P the agenda (line 597) | 15:02 |
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| serverascode | o/ | 15:02 |
| fungi | mriedem: there was some bot regurgitating the entire nicklist of lurkers into the channel just before this meeting started. so coincidence, yes | 15:02 |
| parnexius | Sorry.... Fat fingers. | 15:02 |
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| claudiub | o/ | 15:02 |
| fungi | oh, not a bot! | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | Please add your nick/name in the pad thanks | 15:02 |
| parnexius | It was just me hitting the wrong keys.... I apologize. | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic announcement | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | Ok so from my side, the important news is related to the OpenDeV event the foundation is organizing next september close to San Francisco. | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | The event will focus on Fog/Edge challenge. | 15:04 |
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| banhgao | o/ | 15:04 |
| lhx__ | o/ | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | The foundation is trying to finalize who should be come (i.e. end-users for specifying use-cases, technical/developers for doing technical stuffs or both). | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | I do not have much information right now but we had a rather long discussion during the last day (people around the table was Verizon, Canonical, OpenEdge initiative, the person in charge of the Mobile Edge Computing standard at ETSI me and I apologize for the ones I miss) | 15:06 |
| parnexius | Were does this group falls in these categories? | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | Technical aspects right now | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | but during our F2F meeting some persons were interested to take the lead of the use-case specification questions | 15:06 |
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| parnexius | I would certainly be interested in participating with use cases.. | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | The main idea was to identify the main differences in terms of requirements between the different use-cases (If I'm right Andrew was the person) | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | parnexius: maybe it was you ;) ? | 15:07 |
| parnexius | I did not make it to boston.... But I am interested. | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | parnexius: is it you Paul Andre ? | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | ok sorry for the missunderstanding | 15:08 |
| serverascode | is there a lot more work to be done on use cases? I feel like they are all pretty well identified, but we just call them all different names | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | ok if you want to lead such discussions please put your name in the pad. | 15:08 |
| parnexius | Yes ... sorry for the nick change... parnexius = Paul-Andre | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | line 633, please | 15:08 |
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| ad_rien_ | serverascode: yes that what I thought but it seems that people wants to have more formal documentations | 15:09 |
| serverascode | ok | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | so for the ones that are interested by such discussions please put your name below the item: Identification of use-case differences | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | Thanks | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe we can find some collaborations with others WGs | 15:10 |
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| ad_rien_ | from my side to be honest (i.e. Inria) we are more interested by technical questions as we spent a lot of times on this question | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so that's all from my side | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | Any news guys from your side? | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | (the floor is yours) | 15:11 |
| parnexius | ad_rien: there was a group under OPNFV called eNFV who had done some work on use cases. | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | yes I heard about that | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | We are discussing on the operator mailing list how we can improve our exchanges between all groups | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | I will add the link toward the thread in the ML | 15:12 |
| parnexius | Thanks | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | you're welcome | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | so can we move to the next topic? | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic one additional chair | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_ | so the question is rather clear ;) | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | We need one more chair from another continent if possible. | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | So any candidate? | 15:13 |
| parnexius | I am happy to volunteer | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:13 |
| pbressan | so do I | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | we have a candidate :) | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | not two | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | excellent | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | guys may I ask you where are you located ? | 15:14 |
| parnexius | I am in USA (Virginia) | 15:14 |
| parnexius | pbressan: aren't you in argentina? | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | pbressan ? | 15:15 |
| pbressan | I'm working with Paul-Andre but located in Argentina (Cordoba) | 15:15 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | so I don't know | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | since both of you are working together | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | and we just need one co-chair | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | can you please tell us who should do the job :-P? | 15:16 |
| parnexius | Put my name on. I will work offline with Pablo | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks parnexius | 15:16 |
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| ad_rien_ | the work will consist in preparing the agenda twice a month | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | and double check that either you or me can chair the discussion. | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | That's all | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | Thanks | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | any question? | 15:17 |
| parnexius | I can't guarantee I will do it as well. | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's move to the next topic | 15:17 |
| serverascode | that's great, it's good to have two chairs :) | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | parnexius: I'm sure you will ;) | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so next topic | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic roadmap | 15:18 |
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| ad_rien_ | So although we already discussed two concrete actions (AMQP alternatives and cockroachDB), I would like to start with EnOS as rcherrueau should leave at 15:30 | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | So regarding EnoS we plan to consolidate the framework but nothing more | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | we recently started a discussion regarding the OSProfiler traces and the sequence diagram | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | we can automatically generate. | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | People from Neutron seems to be interested to dive into details | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | georgk: rcherrueau please correct me If I'm wrong | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | (line 642 in the pad right now) | 15:20 |
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| georgk | well, I cannot consider myself a Neutron person, but I am interested | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | ok sorry georgk ;) | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | (good point :p) | 15:21 |
| georgk | no problem, just want to clarify that I don´t work on Neutron upstream | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | anyway I think that we need inputs to know what can be valuable for this | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | i.e. how can we identify such ''stupid'' patterns | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | s/stupid/non efficient ;) | 15:22 |
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| ad_rien_ | so if we can detect that by leveraging the OSProfiler traces it would be valuable | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | but not sure how we can do it. | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | and more precisely where we should look for. | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe by identifying specific rally scenarios? | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | remarks/comments welcome | 15:23 |
| rcherrueau | I think osprofiler could help here, then we have to run some analysis of traces produced by OSProfiler. But, doing such analysis is not easy. | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | and time consuming, i.e. not sure whether we can handle this task at Inria. | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | georgk: do you think you can investigate this question? | 15:24 |
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| parnexius | How can we help? | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | Maybe we can start to iterate by mail | 15:24 |
| georgk | I am just getting started with the tools | 15:24 |
| parnexius | Do you need help running the scenarios or just parsing traces. | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | as we did pour the OSLO message questions | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | and then see where this drives us | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:24 |
| georgk | cannot promise much today, but I am planning to look a bit into this | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | do you think it is reasonable? | 15:25 |
| msimonin | Actually | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | msimonin: yes? | 15:25 |
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| msimonin | There is a review about integrating directly osprofiler in rally | 15:26 |
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| msimonin | This way if you know some scenario that can highlights sub-optimal messages exchanges between service | 15:26 |
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| msimonin | you should be able to trace everything using a dedicated scenario | 15:27 |
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| rcherrueau | Speaking about pattern analysis, One thing I have in mind is looking for many consecutive rpc calls between two identical services. Maybe we can fold all these calls into one and limit the number of communications | 15:27 |
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| msimonin | let me give some links | 15:27 |
| msimonin | :) | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe core-devs already know some weird scenarios. The sequence diagrams can help to confirm (or not) the issues. | 15:27 |
| msimonin | #link http://enos.irisa.fr/html/seqdiag/v1/trace-boot-and-delete.yaml.html | 15:28 |
| msimonin | is an example in which we can see many messages exchanges from compute to other services to update the vms states during a boot | 15:28 |
| msimonin | or to neutron to get some network info | 15:29 |
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| msimonin | this can almost be generated automatically from the rally scenario | 15:29 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok. | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | so I propose to start a thread | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | between people interested to move forward on that aspect. | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | is it ok? | 15:30 |
| msimonin | +1 | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | georgk: ? | 15:30 |
| parnexius | +1 | 15:30 |
| georgk | rcherrueau: yes, I agree, that´s one reasonabl;e approach | 15:30 |
| georgk | +1 | 15:30 |
| rcherrueau | +1 | 15:31 |
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| georgk | sorry, I was looking at sequence charts :-) | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | ok guys, as usual go in the pad and put your name if you are interested to follow how things move forward. | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks. | 15:31 |
| msimonin | georgk: don't lost yourself in those charts :) | 15:31 |
| georgk | :-) | 15:32 |
| ad_rien_ | #action rcherrueau start a discussion to clarify sequence pattern detection thanks to Enos | 15:32 |
| ad_rien_ | no more from our side regarding EnoS, we plan to summarize what we did regarding the WAN experiments in a publication | 15:32 |
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| ad_rien_ | as we have to publish as a research center. Paper will be available for the WG. | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so next action.: AMQP alternatives | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | #info AMQP Alternatives. | 15:33 |
| kgiusti | I've updated the epad with some status from BOS | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | So kgiusti and ansmith are leading the action | 15:33 |
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| ad_rien_ | please folks the floor is yours | 15:34 |
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| ansmith | as noted in pad, dispatch-router added to kolla | 15:34 |
| kgiusti | The take away from the BOS forum on oslo.messaging was which messaging backends will be supported going forward | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | \O/ | 15:34 |
| kgiusti | see epad re: details. The one concern that may impact this WG effort is the stability of zeromq | 15:35 |
| serverascode | what is qrouterd? | 15:35 |
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| serverascode | is that part of zeromq? | 15:35 |
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| kgiusti | we lost the zeromq contributors, and need to find a willing volunteer(s) to take over support of that | 15:35 |
| ansmith | The qpid dispatch router is a direct messaging intermediary supported by the oslo.messaging amqp1.0 driver | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | serverascode: no it is an alternative solution. I will copy the link toward the kgiusti presentation | 15:35 |
| kgiusti | no, qdrouterd is the qpid dispatch router | 15:35 |
| msimonin | serverascode: watch this https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/hybrid-messaging-solutions-for-large-scale-openstack-deployments :) | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks msimonin | 15:36 |
| serverascode | great thanks | 15:36 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok kgiusti ansmith can we try to identify a roadmap | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | for this question of evaluation alternatives AMQP solutions | 15:36 |
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| ad_rien_ | Inria can perform some experiments | 15:36 |
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| ad_rien_ | especially if now qpid router is available within the kolla framework | 15:36 |
| msimonin | I think I can put some time on qrouterd/kolla stuffs if needed | 15:37 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: yes, that's important to us | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | As dicussed during the boston F2F meeting, Orange will provide some financial support, so we should be able to hire an engineer to conduct those experiments | 15:37 |
| ansmith | investigating kolla-ansible work necessary now, we can target a roadmap by next meeting | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | soon | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | next meeting you mean 15 days ? | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | Can we try to define a complete roadmap | 15:38 |
| ansmith | for "roadmap" yes | 15:38 |
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| ad_rien_ | I think that deploying qpid within Kolla need some ansible code | 15:38 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: that would be great | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | you are talking about the roadmpa | 15:38 |
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| ad_rien_ | that you can present by the next meeting? | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | yes did I correctly understand? | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | if so, I think it sounds great. | 15:39 |
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| ansmith | to clarify, by roadmap is meant work to support alternative messaging in kolla in support of Enos | 15:39 |
| ansmith | framework | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | A good objective can be to target another ''performance oriented'' presentation for the next summit. | 15:39 |
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| kgiusti | ansmith: msimonin: let's take this up again once we have that roadmap and can partition any tasks among us | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | no I mean a roadmap to be able to submit a presentation and present real numbers to the community | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | so this means for instance | 15:40 |
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| msimonin | kgiusti: sure, keep us updated in the meantime :) | 15:40 |
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| ad_rien_ | 1./ finalize the integration of QPidRouter in Kolla (and all the mandatory scripts) | 15:40 |
| ad_rien_ | 2./ meanwhile, investigate the current status of ZMQ | 15:40 |
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| ad_rien_ | 3./ identify benchmarks and relevant scenarios | 15:41 |
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| ad_rien_ | 4./ define experimental protocols at large scale? WanWide? with network disconnections? | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | 5./ do the experiments | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | 5./ gather metrics and analyse results. | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | something like that ;) | 15:41 |
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| * ansmith is focusing on 1 | 15:41 | |
| ad_rien_ | with milestones | 15:41 |
| msimonin | Regarding qpid dispatch router I have a technical question but don't know if it's the right time | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | that can be a cool presentation for the WG for the next summit | 15:41 |
| kgiusti | #2 is in progress | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | msimonin: please put it in the pad. | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | 15:42 | 15:42 |
| msimonin | ad_rien_: ack | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | already and we still have to discuss other points. | 15:42 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: +1 | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | just want to launch the different actions. | 15:42 |
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| kgiusti | serverascode: fyi https://www.openstack.org/videos/barcelona-2016/message-routing-a-next-generation-alternative-to-rabbitmq | 15:42 |
| kgiusti | serverascode: a better deep dive of the router tech | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: ansmith should we highlight other aspects regarding the AMQP evaluation question? | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | #action kgiusti ansmith prepare a complete roadmap for the evaluation of alternatives solutions (at the first sight Qpidrouter and ZMQ) | 15:43 |
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| ad_rien_ | Anything more? | 15:44 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: I'm a bit unclear - is there anything specific we should be covering aside from that task list? | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | I don't know. I mean I just put some items without really thinking whether I missed some. | 15:45 |
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| kgiusti | :) I'm sure we'll come up with more... | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | I think the roadmap will be close to this list but it would be great to put milestones just to ensure that things are going smoothly | 15:45 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | so next topic: cockroach DB | 15:46 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: +1 I like milestones - especially the sound they make as they whoosh by... :) | 15:46 |
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| jamemcc | Rollign on floor laughing | 15:46 |
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| ad_rien_ | ;) | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | #info cockroach OpenStack | 15:47 |
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| ad_rien_ | Ok so as discussed in Boston, Inria is interested by investigating the cockroach db question | 15:47 |
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| msimonin | anyone interested as well ? | 15:48 |
| msimonin | :) | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | 1./ we would like to contact cockroach lab and see whether they are interested by this challenge | 15:48 |
| serverascode | I would definitely like to help out in this area | 15:48 |
| rcherrueau | me also | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | We believe it can be a win win action | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | For cockroachLab it will enable them to prove that their system is able to support OpenStack exchanges and from our WG, it will enable us to investigate the question of the performance as well as the scalability. | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | Among the drawback of our previous Reddis proposal was the question of the SQL API. | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | Using Cockroach we should be able to tacke this issue. | 15:50 |
| rcherrueau | s/API/semantics | 15:50 |
| msimonin | The idea was raised by Keystone people maybe this could be a start (keystone) ? | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | By combining an alternative AMQP solution as well as a scalable DB system, we can have a good opportunities to operate Massively Distributed Clouds. | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | rcherrueau: thanks | 15:50 |
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| serverascode | so the first steps will be to talk with cockroachlabs? | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:51 |
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| ad_rien_ | we start to informally exchanges with people. In particular to investigate the question related to the deprecation of the PostGres driver | 15:52 |
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| ad_rien_ | it seems that the driver will not be deprecated for the moment but only marked as not supported/not tested. | 15:52 |
| msimonin | +1 for involving cockroachlabs | 15:52 |
| serverascode | yeah it sounds like the decision to deprecate has not quite been made, and doing some work with cockroachdb could help with that decision | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | we would like to investigate the development cost and whether we can get external support to develop the code that is mandatory to perform preliminary experiments at least. | 15:53 |
| serverascode | is there any desire to do some basic initial testing? | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | you mean with cockroach or with postgres? | 15:53 |
| serverascode | like start small and try keystone + cockroachdb | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:54 |
| serverascode | just to see what explodes | 15:54 |
| serverascode | I could put time into that if we would like to do some intitial testing in some form | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | I think we can try to define a roadmap (probably less ambitious than the AMQP one) | 15:54 |
| serverascode | I juts don't know what that would look like | 15:54 |
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| ad_rien_ | serverascode: cool, just give us one week so we can gather enough information to start a real discussion. | 15:55 |
| serverascode | ok | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | real in the sense we have at least key elements to start the discussion. | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm taking the aciton | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | #action ad_rien_ Gather key informations regarding cockroach | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | ok that's all | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | any comment/remark regarding cockroach DB (or new SQL solution). | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | For instance someone proposed Vitess on the ML | 15:56 |
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| ad_rien_ | but Vitess leverages a centralized server so it does not cope with our target. | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | 4 minutes | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | let's move to the next topic | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic open discussions. | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok guys | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | the floor is yours | 15:57 |
| serverascode | I don't have anything to add today :) | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: any important information to share from LCCO | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok seems not | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | anyone? | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks everyone for attending this meeting | 15:58 |
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| msimonin | thanks | 15:58 |
| serverascode | good meeting, I'm glad that there are enough people to have a second chair :) | 15:58 |
| rcherrueau | thanks | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | and let's iterate by mail before our next meeting | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | ++ | 15:59 |
| pbressan | thanks | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 24 15:59:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-05-24-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-05-24-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-05-24-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| Jeffrey4l | #startmeeting kolla | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 24 16:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Jeffrey4l. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 16:00 |
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| Jeffrey4l | #topic rollcall | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | ? | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: lol | 16:00 |
| Swanson | So, what's happening? | 16:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | smcginnis, ? | 16:00 |
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| mgoddard | o/ | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | Nice work smcginnis :) | 16:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | oh sorry.. | 16:00 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:00 |
| Jeffrey4l | wrong channel.. | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Someone lost their time slot? | 16:01 |
| wxy| | lol | 16:01 |
| scottda | Hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | We have been kicked out!?! | 16:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | should i end it now? | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | ;-) | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Jeffrey4l: Please. :) | 16:01 |
| Jeffrey4l | #endmeeting | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 24 16:01:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-05-24-16.00.html | 16:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-05-24-16.00.txt | 16:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2017/kolla.2017-05-24-16.00.log.html | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | :) | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 24 16:01:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor lhx_ baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov wxy | 16:01 |
| Swanson | Hello. | 16:01 |
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| hemna | @! | 16:01 |
| pewp | hemna (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | viks ketonne abishop sivn breitz | 16:01 |
| cFouts | Hi | 16:01 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Well that was funny. :) | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Hello again o/ | 16:02 |
| e0ne | was it the shortest kolla meeting :) | 16:02 |
| scottda | Hi again | 16:02 |
| eharney | hi | 16:02 |
| wxy| | o/ | 16:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:02 |
| rawanh | Hi | 16:02 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 16:02 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Two weeks left until Pike-2! | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:02 |
| geguileo | hi! | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | We should run our meeting as fast as that | 16:03 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Cores, please take a look through the new drivers in the etherpad to help them along. ^ | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Hah | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Specs could use a pass through as well. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | PTG planning is starting for September in Denver. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | ML discussion right now on rooms. Feel free to add anything there if you have any unput. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | or input | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #topic Versioned Objects - RTFM | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: All yours :) | 16:04 |
| geguileo | I wanted to remind people that we must Read The Fantastic Manuals | 16:05 |
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| geguileo | primarily regarding OVOs | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Fantastic... right. :) | 16:05 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:05 |
| geguileo | because we keep merging things that break rolling upgrades | 16:05 |
| tommylikehu | oh, yes :) | 16:05 |
| geguileo | with things that are explained in the docs | 16:05 |
| geguileo | I have updated the error we get on the tests when we have to bump an OVO version | 16:06 |
| geguileo | but long story short | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: I think that error message should help. | 16:06 |
| e0ne | geguileo: what about CI for it? | 16:06 |
| geguileo | we only need to bump a version if we add fields, remove fields, or add new values to a field that would break old versions | 16:06 |
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| geguileo | And if we bump a version we need backporting code | 16:07 |
| hemna | this is the problem with OVO though, almost nobody understands them. | 16:07 |
| geguileo | e0ne: Well, we cannot have CI for everything in this case | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Unit tests should catch issues, but folks need to know to write them. | 16:07 |
| geguileo | e0ne: Because it means we must pass all possible payloads between services | 16:07 |
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| geguileo | that are in different versions | 16:07 |
| geguileo | So the easy rule to remember is what I just said | 16:08 |
| geguileo | so if we bump a version we need to add backporting code as mentioned in the docs | 16:08 |
| geguileo | nothing more | 16:08 |
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| geguileo | after this rant I'm done with the topic, unless someone has a question | 16:08 |
| tommylikehu | geguileo: thanks | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: Thanks. I think with the better message and better core awareness we can hopefully catch these. | 16:09 |
| mdovgal | hi folks) | 16:10 |
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| hemna | geguileo, do we have an example review of what not to do? | 16:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks for the re-education geguileo :) | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Do we have details in a devref that explains unit testing,etc, for OVO changes? | 16:10 |
| xyang1 | geguileo: can you provide a link to the Fantastic Manual? | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | geguileo: Thanks. | 16:10 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: yup | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/cinder/devref/rolling.upgrades.html#rpc-payload-changes-oslo-versionedobjects | 16:10 |
| xyang1 | Thanks | 16:11 |
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| geguileo | hemna: yes, it's in the meeting agenda | 16:11 |
| geguileo | the patch with the issue | 16:11 |
| hemna | geguileo, ok. | 16:11 |
| geguileo | and the patch with the fix | 16:11 |
| geguileo | code is actually really simple | 16:11 |
| hemna | geguileo, I have a bug that I'd like to discuss with you regarding OVO breaking something. we can take it offline | 16:11 |
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| geguileo | hemna: ok, we can discuss after the meeting | 16:12 |
| hemna | np | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/455131 Missed patch | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/466254 Fix | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: OK, thanks for bringing it up and fixing it. | 16:12 |
| geguileo | np | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else to bring up today? | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | Geesh, I showed up for nuthin | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | hah | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | Should we mention mysql vs mysql+pymysql ? | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Want to give a little informercial on your recently merged stuff? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | Sure! | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Sure, after jgriffith I guess. | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Sounds good. | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | For those that didn’t see it and may be interested: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467304/ | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | That adds a standalone cinder deployment template into Cinder | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | It leverages the LOCI project for image building and basically tries to get rid of the notion that “openstack/cinder” is hard to deploy | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | It’s super easy if you have an external backend, and slightly more complex if you use LVM (slightly) | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | Anyway, I tried to document things pretty well. I would LOVE it if people were interested and took a look at it | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I'd love to see a devref or something with a little detail of how you are using this for development instead of devstack. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | There’s certainly opportunity to grow it and integrate it more with the source tree | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 16:16 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: is keystone still required for this? | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis for sure, I’d be happy to do that | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | xyang1 nope | 16:16 |
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| xyang1 | jgriffith: great | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | No keystone, but that can be added and at some point should perhaps be documented | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Thanks for working on that. Think it is a great add. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, like you said, this is a start. | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | Keep in mind the current minderclient on pypy doesn’t have standalone support so you’ll need to build your own | 16:17 |
| tommylikehu | jgriffith: should I start from this link? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467304/1/contrib/block-box/README.md | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Could be cool to see where it goes. | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | Gnudge nudge smcginnis | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | tommylikehu yup | 16:18 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: it looks awesome! I want to try it asap | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | And if folks have issues/problems hit me up | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Do we just need a new release? | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis yes :) | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Takes a hint quickly. ;-) | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: OK, I can look at that soon. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | So something else that is going on and getting a bit more traction is the idea of creating a docker and kubernetes plugin for Cinder | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Hah! | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | I know I’ve mentioned this before, but there’s an official open stack project for this effort | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | It would be really great if all of us vendors got together on this and made something really robust and solid | 16:20 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: got links for those? | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Pointers to that? | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | And also FYI this effort is pat of what drove the interest for the block-box stuff | 16:20 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: what project do you mean? | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | fuxi | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | Part of kuryr | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | For the benefit of English speakers, that X makes a "sh" sound, so y'all can stop giggling. | 16:20 |
| tommylikehu | oh fuxi ! | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | Although I’m not sure why it’s not a sub-project of Cinder, but that’s a whole different thing | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis :) | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | Anyway… there’s a bp that I’m working on to convert that code to golang | 16:21 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: so now you know how to pronounce my name:) | 16:21 |
| * jungleboyj gigles anyway. | 16:21 | |
| smcginnis | xyang1: Hah! | 16:21 |
| e0ne | xyang1: :) | 16:21 |
| tommylikehu | xyang1: lol | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | And, dims has worked up a first pass at a kubernetes flex volume plugin to use cinder | 16:21 |
| xyang1 | :) | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: I'll probably still not get it quite right, but I'm learning. ;) | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | So for those of us at organizations where we are working on both sides of the aisle it might be interesting/worhtwhile to just make Cinder the answer | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: It is like King , right? ;-) | 16:22 |
| Swanson | Shing? | 16:22 |
| xyang1 | :) | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: ++ | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: +1, I think these are great efforts. | 16:22 |
| xyang1 | Swanson: that sounds better | 16:22 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:23 |
| hemna | also, fwiw, I've used this stuff already and it's really great :) | 16:23 |
| e0ne | hemna: does it work? :) | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | hemna :) | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Great infomercial, we even have endorsements. :D | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | So something to think about if you have time… ways to leverage this in your development cycle etc | 16:23 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith: can we use if for functional tests for brickclient? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | It would be really neat if there’s interest and it works well for people we could publish some sort of blog like “tips from the team” or whatever | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | e0ne Yes, it works really well for isolated tests | 16:24 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith: because I'm not sure when needed patch will be merged to devstack | 16:25 |
| Swanson | xyang1, Probably going to continue with X-ing. | 16:25 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: ok. I'll play with it and let you know if I have any issues | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | e0ne so there’s effort to do containers in gate but I’m not very familiar with where it’s at or how it’s going | 16:25 |
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| hemna | e0ne, yes :) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | I believe there are some projects that have it working so we could look into those and how to use their templates etc | 16:25 |
| * jungleboyj is laughing at Swanson | 16:26 | |
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| jgriffith | Anyway, that’s it from me.. thanks smcginnis and hemna and all | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Thanks for putting that up there. Could be hyoooj. | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | huoooj | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | OK, jungleboyj brought this up: | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | hyoooj ? | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-May/013500.html | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | arnewiebalck__ did an awesome job sticking with this error. | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | Finally came down to the DB connection string in cinder.conf. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | No way!! | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | So if you have an older deployment that was installed after the guides switched to say to use pymysql, you could be running into deadlocks. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | So don't do that. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | I was just trying to help a customer with this exact problem the other day! | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Was that sarcastic ? | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Almost perfect timing. :) | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok, so not. I was frustrated I didn't narrow it down to that faster. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Had you figured it out yet? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj no, it was a ‘crap, wish I’d known this about 3 days ago' | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis NOPE! | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: +1000 | 16:29 |
| hemna | damn | 16:29 |
| Swanson | Neat. | 16:29 |
| hemna | that was the deadlock cause? | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Well there you go... :) | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | I just manually cleaned their cloud up | 16:29 |
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| jgriffith | And said “don’t do that again" | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Yeah, it will happen again if they don't make that change. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yep, basically the native driver completely blocks and causes problems. | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj but I told them “don’t do that again”. Doesn’t that count :) | 16:30 |
| hemna | that's such an easy mistake to make | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | So I believe the plan out of this is oslo.log will add a warning if it sees it being used. | 16:30 |
| hemna | is there a way for us to puke at startup if we detect that config db string ? | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | So at least there's a slim chance it will be noticed and fixed. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Oh yes, because we never try something that hurt before again. :-) | 16:30 |
| hemna | it should be more than a warning. we should fail to start IMHO | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj :) | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | So, arnewiebalck__ Was going to work with oslo to get a warning output. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | hemna: There was some talk of just internally switching it over to mysql+pymsql, but there was some concern abou tust switching it. | 16:31 |
| clarkb | there are tradeoffs involved | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | I suppose we could step it up and puke or like smcginnis said, just ignore it. | 16:31 |
| clarkb | also you can't assume that a user using the mysql driver has pymysql installed | 16:31 |
| hemna | if it's a known issue, we shouldn't allow the setting to be used. | 16:31 |
| hemna | as it will cause problems. | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: It is apparently more performant, so they didn't want to block it completely if a deployer had some good reason for sticking with it. | 16:32 |
| clarkb | hemna: again there are tradeoffs | 16:32 |
| clarkb | smcginnis: right that, the C is faster | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | clarkb: +1 | 16:32 |
| hemna | smcginnis, even thought that more performant config will cause deadlocks and failures ?! | 16:32 |
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| hemna | something doesn't make sense to me. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Only if their usage causes a lot of simultaneous operations to be performed. | 16:32 |
| hemna | we are really fast at getting you to deadlock! | 16:32 |
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| jungleboyj | Yay! | 16:33 |
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| eharney | does anyone actually know why it deadlocks? i.e. is it as risk for all cinder configs, or only when setup in certain ways? | 16:33 |
| hemna | I dunno man, this is cloud sw. it's supposed to work with parallel actions. | 16:33 |
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| clarkb | eharney: because mysql driver ffis out to C eventlet must block. aiui if that blocking happens at an unfortunate time you can deadlock | 16:34 |
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| eharney | ahh ok | 16:34 |
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| clarkb | eharney: pymysql doesn't have this problem because it is a pure python driver so eventlet just greentrheads it like everything else | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | In this case, they had been running fine and only would run into problems when trying to delete 10+ volumes at the same time. | 16:34 |
| Swanson | smcginnis, And that happens how often? All the time? | 16:35 |
| hemna | so....when you want speed because you are trying to do lots of parallel operations, you are almost guaranteed a deadlock | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | The good news is that we are aware of it now and know how to fix it quickly. | 16:35 |
| hemna | but when you don't care and only do 1 operation at a time....... | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: Frequently I think. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | *Do dooo dooooh* The more you know .... | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | Swanson: Yeah, it sounds like it is done fairly frequently. | 16:36 |
| hemna | so the reason why you use the C client is for speed, but it will cause problems. | 16:36 |
| Swanson | I vote for making it not break in the first place. | 16:36 |
| hemna | seems like we should do more than warn. | 16:36 |
| clarkb | hemna: yes I think we are saying everyone should use pymysql and we will warn you if you don't. However, people have used the other driver for years and there may be valid reasons for them to continue to do so | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | arnewiebalck__: Was able to get around it by removing a lock, but that also seems potentially dangerous. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: And the problem went away once he updated his connection string. | 16:37 |
| clarkb | hemna: there re also people that use the other oracle driver I think | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | Well, feel free to chime in on that thread if you have other input. | 16:37 |
| clarkb | hemna: so if you force everyone to use pymysql there will likely be undesired fallout involved | 16:37 |
| Swanson | clarkb, so if this is setup a long time ago would someone be looking for the warning? | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | Seems to me that documenting it and warning is good step | 16:38 |
| hemna | clarkb, I was just suggesting blocking mysql:// and using mysql+pymysql:// instead | 16:38 |
| hemna | not blocking everything | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | Puking on startup for people that have configured a certain way (taking that ability away) is no bueno | 16:38 |
| clarkb | hemna: but the other driver alsos suffers the same problem | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | And the fact is that people will want to make that trade off | 16:38 |
| clarkb | hemna: as it runs in C too? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Have to start somewhere. | 16:38 |
| clarkb | anyways its a tradeoff and so communication is importnat | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | Hence the post the the -operators ML and not just to -dev. | 16:39 |
| hemna | seems dangerous. | 16:39 |
| Swanson | If they want the 911 they'll have to risk putting it in a tree, I suppose. | 16:39 |
| * jungleboyj is laughing | 16:39 | |
| hemna | I think the warning will simply be missed and ignored | 16:39 |
| hemna | until there is a problem | 16:39 |
| hemna | anyway, I'll shut up. :) | 16:40 |
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| Swanson | Wow, and he did. | 16:41 |
| hemna | Swanson, shh! | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks for bringing this up. Glad we were able to help jgriffith | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Hah! Anything else for today? | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Huge thanks to arnewiebalck__ for chasing it and Gerhard for finding the solution. | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 24 16:43:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:43 |
| tommylikehu | thanks | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-05-24-16.01.html | 16:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-05-24-16.01.txt | 16:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-05-24-16.01.log.html | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 16:43 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 24 18:00:51 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:01 | |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:01 |
| pcarver | #info pcarver | 18:01 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:01 |
| jinli | Hello everyone | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Paul and Jin | 18:01 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Admin Update (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:02 | |
| bh526r | #info We had a very good presence in OpenStack Summit in Boston | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #info We presented and demonstrated Gluon PoC in AT&T Booth and OPNFV Booth | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #info We also presented and demonstrated Gluon in Open Source Days Mini Summit and Nirvana Stack Mini Summit | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #info We gave a summit presentation in Telco track too | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info Thanks everyone for the hard work | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #topic Application for Gluon to be an official project | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Application for Gluon to be an official project (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:04 | |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463069/ | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info We submitted an application for Gluon to be an official project | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info There were many good comments, and suggestions | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info We appreciated everyone's time to review, comment and suggest | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info We will continue our discussion and work with Neutron team and find the best way to incorporate some Gluon features into Neutron. | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info The application is put on hold, pending the outcome of those discussions with Neutron. | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #topic Gluon Pike Release | 18:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gluon Pike Release (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:07 | |
| bh526r | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Pike | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | #info While we continue the discussion with Neutron team, Ian and Sukhdev will work on those details of how to incorporate some Gluon features into Neutron | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | #info At the same time, improvement tasks continue to develop for Pike release, which may be moved into Neutron pending on Ian's proposal | 18:10 |
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| bh526r | #info 2 RFEs, which were submitted for PTG in Atlanta, will be updated too | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1664461 (Neutron API enhancement - make network and subnets as optional) | 18:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1664461 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron API enhancement - make network and subnets as optional" [Undecided,New] | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1664466 (Neutron API enhancement - add optional attribute to network) | 18:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1664466 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron API enhancement - add optional attribute to network" [Undecided,New] | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | #info 3 patches were approved after Boston Summit | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456991/ (Update to use os-testr to get better report) | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456993/ (Replace six.iteritems() with .items()) | 18:14 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466977/ (Remove sqlite_db parameter from set_defaults) | 18:14 |
| bh526r | #info There are 5 outstanding patches | 18:15 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455854/ is being reviewed, and comments were received. | 18:15 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459894/ is being reviewed, and get one approval. I will wait for another 48 hours. If no other comments, I will take action to merge it | 18:16 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453519/ is being reviewed, and comments were given. The author is expected to fix the issues in the patch in order to move forward | 18:17 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/430446/ is being reviewed, and comments were given. Author is working with reviewers to resolve the comments | 18:18 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404069/ is devstack integration, and still a work in progress | 18:19 |
| bh526r | #info There were 2 relevant patches to integrate Gluon with Fuel installers | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417876/ is sitting there. It may become irrelevant because Fuel installer is deprecated. New MCP is emerging | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426248/ was abandoned because Gluon is not an official project | 18:21 |
| bh526r | That's all update from my side | 18:21 |
| bh526r | anyone has any update? | 18:21 |
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| bh526r | or anything to share? | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | OK. If nothing else to share, or nothing else to discuss, we can adjourn the meeting to go back to work :) | 18:23 |
| bh526r | Thank you everyone | 18:23 |
| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:24 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 24 18:24:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-05-24-18.00.html | 18:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-05-24-18.00.txt | 18:24 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos_mentoring | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 24 20:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' | 20:00 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi, who's here for the women of openstack mentoring meeting? | 20:00 |
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| * ekhugen_alt hears crickets | 20:03 | |
| ekhugen_alt | diablo_rojo? | 20:03 |
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| ekhugen_alt | aimeeu? | 20:03 |
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| aimeeu | Hi Emily - I'm supposed to be on a conference call... and the host just arrived | 20:04 |
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| ekhugen_alt | hi NicoleH | 20:05 |
| NicoleH | Hi Emily! | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, thanks aimeeu | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think it might just be the two of us Nicole | 20:05 |
| NicoleH | How are you? Have you recovered from the summit?! | 20:05 |
| NicoleH | how are we collecting feedback? | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | i'm good, I think I'm still catching up from all the things that collected for me while I was away | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | you? | 20:06 |
| NicoleH | me too! | 20:06 |
| NicoleH | i headed to disneyland the week after, so i'm just getting caught back up! | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | I didn't get together an etherpad yet to send out for feedback | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | oh wow, nice long time away from the office though! | 20:07 |
| ekhugen_alt | I hope you had fun! | 20:07 |
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| NicoleH | yes, we had a great time! thanks! | 20:07 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Hi MeganR | 20:08 |
| MeganR | Hi! | 20:08 |
| NicoleH | Hi Megan! | 20:08 |
| MeganR | Hi Nicole! | 20:09 |
| ekhugen_alt | how's this for a feedback etherpad | 20:09 |
| ekhugen_alt | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-speed-mentoring | 20:09 |
| NicoleH | We missed you at the summit! | 20:09 |
| ekhugen_alt | we so did, but it was great that Andrew came! | 20:09 |
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| MeganR | I missed you - would have loved to have been there, and yes really glad Andrew could be there. His streak remains unbroken! | 20:10 |
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| NicoleH | Was great to see Andrew there! | 20:10 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we had a nice turnout for the speed mentoring lunch | 20:11 |
| ekhugen_alt | it was a good ratio of mentors to mentees | 20:11 |
| MeganR | that's great, so glad they were able to change it to a lunch session | 20:11 |
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| NicoleH | +1 | 20:11 |
| NicoleH | it seemed like very high quality conversations between the mentors & mentees | 20:12 |
| ekhugen_alt | the 10 minute rounds seemed like the right cadence too, I think | 20:13 |
| MeganR | fantastic, glad it was a success | 20:14 |
| NicoleH | yep, i agree, the 10 mins time worked well! | 20:14 |
| NicoleH | emily, is there a way to query the mentors & mentees who participated? | 20:14 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think for me, I would've liked to have been in a room with AV equipment (to put up some slides about how it was going to go) and a microphone | 20:14 |
| ekhugen_alt | mentors I have the list from the prep call, so I can send the etherpad out to them | 20:15 |
| NicoleH | +1 | 20:15 |
| NicoleH | perfect! | 20:15 |
| ekhugen_alt | mentees, I'm not so sure on, the rsvp list probably doesn't reflect who was actually in the room | 20:15 |
| ekhugen_alt | I feel like we got a few drop ins | 20:15 |
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| NicoleH | true, i think you're right | 20:16 |
| ekhugen_alt | Nicole, anything on your side that you want to capture for feedback, or anything you heard from participants | 20:18 |
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| NicoleH | hmmm, thinking ... | 20:19 |
| NicoleH | perhaps we can go back to the input we received last time to see if we can measure how we did against that? | 20:19 |
| NicoleH | do you have the link to that earlier etherpad? i can take a look to see if it jogs any questions we might want to ask. | 20:20 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think our Barcelona feedback etherpad was pretty bare | 20:20 |
| NicoleH | ah, ok | 20:20 |
| NicoleH | maybe austin then? | 20:20 |
| ekhugen_alt | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/speed-mentoring-barcelona | 20:21 |
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| ekhugen_alt | finally found austin link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_speedmentor_austin | 20:26 |
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| NicoleH | looking now! | 20:27 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we did pretty well comparatively, in Austin it was tied in with the long term mentoring program, which is where a lot of the feedback came from | 20:28 |
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| ekhugen_alt | decoupling that helped a lot | 20:28 |
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| NicoleH | yes, i'm seeing that too | 20:30 |
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| NicoleH | line 33 ... what do you think about placing the numbers on the tables in a slightly different order to facilitate easier movement between tables? | 20:30 |
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| ekhugen_alt | oh that's a good point, we should've put them in an order where everyone could've moved clockwise | 20:31 |
| ekhugen_alt | just to make it easy | 20:31 |
| NicoleH | yep ... and i'd forgotten about that until i saw line 33 | 20:31 |
| ekhugen_alt | still, I think the transitions went really smoothly this time | 20:32 |
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| NicoleH | yes, i think the transitions did go smoothly | 20:35 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so I'll send out the boston etherpad today to the mentors and we'll see if we get any additional feedback? | 20:37 |
| NicoleH | that sounds great, emily! | 20:38 |
| MeganR | great idea | 20:38 |
| ekhugen_alt | should we talk at all about Sydney? I think we might need to find some new speed mentoring showrunners for next summit | 20:38 |
| * ekhugen_alt probably won't get funding to go to Australia | 20:39 | |
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| NicoleH | i think i'll run into the same issue, emily | 20:39 |
| NicoleH | we'll see! | 20:39 |
| MeganR | I am pretty certain that I won't be in Sydney | 20:39 |
| ekhugen_alt | I just wondered if we should start advertising at the women of openstack meetings and see if someone wants to take it over | 20:40 |
| ekhugen_alt | or if it should get taken off the schedule? | 20:40 |
| MeganR | that's a good idea - let | 20:40 |
| MeganR | 's see if someone can take over first | 20:40 |
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| NicoleH | +1 | 20:41 |
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| ekhugen_alt | cool, I think the next one of those is in June, so we can try to remember to bring it up then | 20:41 |
| NicoleH | ok. and in the interm, i'll inquire internally at intel. | 20:42 |
| ekhugen_alt | yes, I'll ask around here too | 20:42 |
| ekhugen_alt | any other topics? | 20:42 |
| MeganR | I'm good | 20:43 |
| NicoleH | good on my end! | 20:45 |
| ekhugen_alt | cool, meet again in 2 weeks? | 20:45 |
| MeganR | perfect - enjoy the long weekend! | 20:46 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks, you too! | 20:46 |
| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 24 20:46:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-05-24-20.00.html | 20:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-05-24-20.00.txt | 20:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2017/wos_mentoring.2017-05-24-20.00.log.html | 20:46 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 24 21:00:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| kota_ | here | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:01 |
| notmyname | here! | 21:01 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:01 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:01 |
| rledisez | o/ | 21:01 |
| jeffli | o/ | 21:01 |
| patchbot | here! | 21:01 |
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| torgomatic | hi | 21:02 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | it's torgomatic and jrichli! | 21:02 |
| timburke | yay! | 21:02 |
| notmyname | is cschwede_ going to be here? | 21:02 |
| notmyname | acoles: ? | 21:02 |
| acoles | hello | 21:02 |
| * acoles was in wrong channel | 21:02 | |
| notmyname | ok, I'm told cschwede_ is out this week | 21:03 |
| clayg | me too | 21:03 |
| notmyname | let's get started | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | #topic previous meeting follow-up | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | * TC goals. there's a mailing list thread. I wrote some words on it (but not the governance patches) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | not much more to discuss there. just stuff to track and get done | 21:04 |
| notmyname | let's skip to some good stuff :-) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | *global EC patchs | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | composite rings landed! yay! | 21:04 |
| acoles | notmyname: do you want me to draft a patch that documents when/how swift complies with the wsgi goal? | 21:04 |
| notmyname | acoles: sure, that would be great | 21:05 |
| notmyname | and per-policy config should likely land today, I think | 21:05 |
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| kota_ | yey | 21:05 |
| notmyname | acoles: timburke: kota_: clayg: anything more to say on the global ec patches? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | that will give us something else to scratch off on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:06 |
| timburke | speaking of, we should totally go merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302494/, too | 21:07 |
| patchbot | patch 302494 - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator | 21:07 |
| kota_ | er | 21:07 |
| kota_ | i think some follow ups are missing in the list (e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465878/ | 21:07 |
| patchbot | patch 465878 - swift - Small minor fixes for composite ring functionality | 21:07 |
| notmyname | kota_: true. I haven't added the follow-ups | 21:07 |
| timburke | looking now... | 21:08 |
| kota_ | i suppose timburke also has follow up doc change for composite ring | 21:08 |
| acoles | patch 465878 should be easy review | 21:08 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465878/ - swift - Small minor fixes for composite ring functionality | 21:08 |
| acoles | IIRC | 21:08 |
| clayg | huh? | 21:08 |
| acoles | in fact maybe I should have just +A'd it | 21:10 |
| notmyname | I'll update the priority reviews wiki to include the follow up patches | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | ...at least those that acoles hasn't already +A'd ;-) | 21:10 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: thx and I'll help that if i found something missing | 21:10 |
| notmyname | kota_: thank you | 21:11 |
| kota_ | i didn't notice we have global ec patch list in the priority review | 21:11 |
| clayg | whoot global EC! | 21:11 |
| clayg | is tdasilva and cschwede_ around? | 21:11 |
| notmyname | kota_: you've just got me bugging you about it :-) | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | clayg: scroll up. yes tdasilva. no csatari | 21:11 |
| tdasilva | o/ | 21:12 |
| notmyname | * cschwede_ | 21:12 |
| notmyname | #topic LOSF follow-up | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | rledisez: jeffli: hello! | 21:12 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-losf-meta-storage | 21:12 |
| rledisez | thx jeffli for joining :) | 21:12 |
| jeffli | hello, john | 21:12 |
| rledisez | first of all, thx to everybody for feedbacks on the etherpad | 21:13 |
| notmyname | what's going on with your comepeting implementations this week? | 21:13 |
| rledisez | so, correct me if i'm wrong jeffli, but we've been discussing a lot | 21:13 |
| clayg | notmyname: it's more like collaborating! | 21:13 |
| rledisez | and i think we settled on a volume format | 21:14 |
| notmyname | rledisez: great! | 21:14 |
| rledisez | that's the first good news | 21:14 |
| clayg | whooat! | 21:14 |
| clayg | 🍻 | 21:14 |
| rledisez | now, what we need to focus on is the K/V format | 21:14 |
| rledisez | key format, value format, and also which DB (rocksdb, leveldb, somethong else) | 21:14 |
| notmyname | meaning rocks vs leveldb? or schema and file format? | 21:14 |
| notmyname | ah ok | 21:14 |
| notmyname | so all of that :-) | 21:14 |
| rledisez | both :) | 21:14 |
| clayg | just write a file in xfs whos contents point to the volume | 21:15 |
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| rledisez | also, related to some raised questions about one big K/V | 21:15 |
| rledisez | we made some benchmarks on memory usage | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | nice. do you have the results to sharE? | 21:15 |
| rledisez | it turns out spliting K/V in multiple small K/V would have a significant memory increase | 21:15 |
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| rledisez | no numbers right now, it was very quick tests, but i'll ask alecuyer to write that down somewhere | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks | 21:16 |
| notmyname | link them on the ideas page (best) or in the existing etherpad (not great, but ok) | 21:16 |
| rledisez | sure | 21:16 |
| rledisez | i think that's all right now for me | 21:17 |
| notmyname | rledisez: jeffli: is there anything you two need from the rest of us during this next week? | 21:17 |
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| rledisez | i can't find anything right now. we are perfectionning the flat namespace (ease to increase part power) | 21:17 |
| jeffli | i want to raise another question here | 21:18 |
| notmyname | jeffli: go ahead | 21:18 |
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| jeffli | it is about how to map volumes to partition. Currently Romain use multiple volumes per partition. We use one volume per partition. | 21:19 |
| notmyname | that's a good question | 21:19 |
| notmyname | rledisez: didn't you use more small volumes to avoid some compaction/gc issues? | 21:20 |
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| rledisez | the reason to have multiple volume is first for concurency, as volume are append only, it is locked during an uploaed | 21:20 |
| rledisez | second reason as notmyname said is for limiting the compaction effect when it happens (no need to move 40GB of data at once) | 21:21 |
| notmyname | so yeah, that makes lots of smaller volumes sound better (concurrency, so num_volumes should be roughly the same as the concurrency the drive supports) | 21:21 |
| notmyname | jeffli: what's your take on that? | 21:21 |
| jeffli | first, map one volume per partition is simple. And we can increase the partitions to reduce the contention | 21:22 |
| clayg | is # volume/journal essentially orthogonal to # of k-v/index | 21:23 |
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| clayg | or are they related in your design (jeffli, rledisez) | 21:23 |
| rledisez | clayg: no, right one one K/V, multiple volume | 21:23 |
| rledisez | in both design | 21:23 |
| torgomatic | if you take the limit as files-per-partition goes to infinity, you wind up in the current situation where there's one volume per object... I don't know if that helps anything, but it's sort of interestign | 21:23 |
| clayg | one K/V for... each device? node? | 21:23 |
| torgomatic | er, volumes per partition, not files | 21:23 |
| rledisez | clayg: each device | 21:23 |
| clayg | torgomatic: ohai! | 21:24 |
| rledisez | torgomatic: in our design, the idea is to have a limit of volume per partition, so it's a kind of limit on concurrency per partition | 21:24 |
| clayg | rledisez: ack - jeffli ? | 21:24 |
| notmyname | hmm... we should probably stop using "volume" to refer to the big flat file containing objects (since "volume" often means drive) | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | how's "slab file"? | 21:24 |
| notmyname | or "slab" | 21:24 |
| clayg | journal | 21:24 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: I was just about to suggest that exact word | 21:25 |
| rledisez | by default we limit to 10, which in our experience should be enough, but we will send metric each time this number wouldn't be enough so that the operator can adjust | 21:25 |
| jeffli | it is call 'log' in Ambry. So journal could be ok. | 21:25 |
| notmyname | rledisez: is it something the operator has to set up, or does it change over time based on load/cardinality? | 21:25 |
| * jungleboyj sneaks in late. | 21:26 | |
| rledisez | it would probably has to set up, with a "reasonable" default | 21:26 |
| notmyname | clayg: the journal/log is the kv store, right? the slab is the big chunk of disk where the object are | 21:26 |
| clayg | slab makes me thing of idk... like I allocate blocks and fill them in and stuff - but AIUI no one is doing that - you just append to the end - I don't think that is a slab - but w/e | 21:26 |
| notmyname | rledisez: hmm | 21:26 |
| notmyname | naming things is hard ;-) | 21:26 |
| clayg | just don't call them kittens - cats make me sneeze so I wouldn't be comfortable with that name | 21:26 |
| notmyname | clayg: done | 21:26 |
| clayg | or cantaloupe - i don't care for it - too sweet | 21:26 |
| rledisez | clayg: i'll write that in case we forget :) | 21:26 |
| clayg | don't call the volume/journal/slab cantaloupe | 21:27 |
| notmyname | ok, so 2 outstanding question to answer this week (we can discuss not in the meeting) | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | (1) a better name for "volume". perhaps slab, journal, or log | 21:27 |
| notmyname | (2) how many of <thing we named in #1> per hard drive | 21:27 |
| notmyname | is that accurate? | 21:28 |
| rledisez | lgtm | 21:28 |
| clayg | jeffli: rledisez makes a good case for contention if you *don't* have multiple volumes per device (at somepoint it's better to queue the request and possibly let the proxy timeout) than it is to throw another i/o into the kernel | 21:28 |
| clayg | jrichli: are we done talking about object-metadata *in* the K/V then? | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | jeffli: rledisez: if it's operator defined, then maybe some people will start with 1 and others will start with 10. should be able to support both, no? | 21:28 |
| clayg | gah... sorry - jrichli hi - I ment jeffli RE: *object* metadata | 21:29 |
| jrichli | np | 21:29 |
| rledisez | sure, but i think jeffli want to make request wait until the "volume" is available,, right jeffli? | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: that sounds ... like something we might should avoid? ie let's not repeat part power type questions that ops really have no business deciding | 21:29 |
| rledisez | while we prefer to fail quickly | 21:29 |
| jeffli | Alex confirms that the number of volumes per partition is configurable. But I am trying to make it simple so we don't care about how to select a volume in partition | 21:30 |
| clayg | rledisez: ah, yes now we're getting to something | 21:30 |
| rledisez | notmyname: interresting point, decide for the oeprator, we never thought of that | 21:30 |
| notmyname | rledisez: that's cause YOU are the operator! ;-) | 21:30 |
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| rledisez | i like to decide by myself :D | 21:30 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:30 |
| clayg | i like to decide too | 21:30 |
| tdasilva | every power user likes to decide | 21:30 |
| clayg | step #1 think I know something and write code I think is smart step #2 realize I didn't know *shit* | 21:31 |
| jeffli | yes, since we implement that in Go, if a volume is locked, the write attempt will block. | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | ok, 3 more minutes on this topic, then we need to move on... | 21:31 |
| notmyname | jeffli: rledisez: (clayg?) where do you want to continue this conversation? IRC? email? phone call? etherpad? | 21:32 |
| rledisez | we'll try to think a way it could work magically | 21:32 |
| clayg | I'm not sure why - but my gut is let it block? how *do* you decide which of N volumes on a device ultimately get the key allocated to them? | 21:32 |
| notmyname | rledisez: perfect! | 21:32 |
| rledisez | we can continue by mail, i think alex proposed a webex to jeffli also | 21:33 |
| jeffli | yes | 21:33 |
| clayg | oh.. i'm just interested - there's some off chance I might know something useful about swift that is helpful to contribute but most likely I'll just be asking-questions playing devils advocate and rubber ducking - not sure I need to be involved if i'm not writing code | 21:33 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:33 |
| rledisez | jeffli: just note that me and alex will be off until monday, so probably no answers to mail or whatever :) | 21:33 |
| jeffli | IRC is too difficult for me. Haha | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | would be happy to setup a bluejeans session if folks are interested | 21:33 |
| jeffli | Ok. | 21:33 |
| notmyname | jeffli: that's ok | 21:33 |
| clayg | i like to see conversations evolve on etherpads | 21:33 |
| rledisez | clayg: playing devil advocate is very useful! | 21:34 |
| clayg | they get messy and you have to throw them out | 21:34 |
| notmyname | rledisez: jeffli: would it be possible to get the webex link in IRC so others can join? | 21:34 |
| rledisez | notmyname: sure | 21:34 |
| clayg | but like specifically for "how to select which volume and what do do when that one is locked... or the next" | 21:34 |
| notmyname | and if there's email, then keeping them on the m-dev mailing list (with [swift] in the subject) will help others stay involved | 21:34 |
| clayg | I think someone could write 20 sentences about what they did and I could spin questions out | 21:35 |
| clayg | email is fine if that's best | 21:35 |
| rledisez | notmyname: sure, we'll move the discussion on the public place :) | 21:35 |
| jeffli | Got it. Then I think we can discuss that in Email. | 21:35 |
| clayg | i also agree doing on os-dev would be *very* good | 21:35 |
| notmyname | rledisez: jeffli: ok, thanks. and please let me know how I can help coordinate that, if needed. and don't forget tdasilva's offer of video chat :-) | 21:35 |
| clayg | like *very* good | 21:35 |
| notmyname | I agree (about the mailing list being a good place) | 21:35 |
| clayg | Email to os-dev | 21:35 |
| rledisez | clayg: will do ;) | 21:36 |
| clayg | zaitcev: look! using the ML!? | 21:36 |
| notmyname | ok, two more topics | 21:36 |
| notmyname | #topic swift on containers | 21:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "swift on containers (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:36 | |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ? | 21:36 |
| clayg | zaitcev: never thought he would see the day - having a positive influance on us after all these years after all ;) | 21:36 |
| notmyname | patch 466255 | 21:36 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466255/ - swift - Make mount_check option usable in containerized en... | 21:36 |
| clayg | tdasilva: yeah! what's going on with containers and stuff! | 21:36 |
| zaitcev | clayg, yes, I can die with regrets tomorrow | 21:36 |
| zaitcev | s/with /without / | 21:36 |
| clayg | zaitcev: please don't - i mean... just finish the PUT/POST patch first ;) | 21:37 |
| * jungleboyj hears containers are the next big thing. ;-) | 21:37 | |
| tdasilva | clayg: I think your comments summarized well there. basically this patch helps us support deploying swift on containers on tripleo | 21:37 |
| zaitcev | so, about that extra lstat() | 21:38 |
| tdasilva | the issue is that we are trying to run each swift service in its own container, and we can't mount the disk in each of them, so we needed another way to mount_check | 21:38 |
| zaitcev | is it a real issue or not? Peter Portante used to think it was. | 21:38 |
| clayg | tdasilva: notmyname: my big idea on patch 466255 and others that might "add cruft in the name of containers!" was maybe we should do a feature branch and encourage those interesting in working/progessing the topic of swift on containers to merge merge merge! | 21:39 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466255/ - swift - Make mount_check option usable in containerized en... | 21:39 |
| zaitcev | I think he ran a download or something and a significant number of syscalls were those endless stat() calls. But then they probably aren't that expensive. | 21:39 |
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| clayg | then we can go back at the end with - here is the whole kube/quartermaster story - there's some non-trivial value here and we've done all the leg work - so let's rally folks together to maybe clean some stuff up and make better docs and viola patch series merge awesomesause new world order | 21:40 |
| tdasilva | clayg: I think you have a valid point, OTOH, I think that's a small enough patch and it doesn't necessarily point to there being a ton more of patches like to support swift on containers | 21:41 |
| tdasilva | so I'd hold off on moving this to a feature branch | 21:41 |
| clayg | or we can eat it piecemeal as we go - I care more about the visibility/community-velocity/contributions than I do about adequate docs and some random lstat call | 21:41 |
| zaitcev | You know what the next step is going to be | 21:42 |
| clayg | tdasilva: if you really think there's not that many then I think cschwede_ should go ahead and do this patch right - but like... we haven't managed to get part-power-increase merged - or symlinks - or any other number of things | 21:42 |
| rledisez | about this patch, it reminds me something i wanted to do, like having a flag-file saying this device should not be accessed anymore, like before i know i'll take the drive off because it needs replacement. is there something to do with this idea and the patch? | 21:42 |
| zaitcev | Like Tripple-O, Swift on undercloud, containing the ring. It has all the right IPs there and devices. And then little containers in the overcloud downloading ring.gz from that undercloud Swift. Voila, cluster map. Just like Ceph! | 21:43 |
| clayg | rledisez: hummingbird had something like that - I also wanted to flag drives as READ_ONLY | 21:43 |
| rledisez | clayg: yeah, i like that too | 21:43 |
| zaitcev | so, do open() instead of stat() and maybe look at contents...? If we don't care about overhead anymore suddenly. | 21:44 |
| clayg | rledisez: no that's not related to this patch - but would be a huge improvement than this undocumented magic file pull-string to make thinks that aren't mount points tell mount_check they are (?) | 21:44 |
| clayg | zaitcev: I mean... rledisez's idea could be cached - check mtime every 30 seconds w/e | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | ok, there's a lot going in here | 21:45 |
| zaitcev | or, have an explicit device list somewhere in /srv/node/DEVICES. Read that once, not for every drive. | 21:45 |
| clayg | zaitcev: you know the history on mount_check - and how it's inherently racy - https://launchpad.net/bugs/1693005 | 21:45 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1693005 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "mount check is racy" [Undecided,New] | 21:45 |
| zaitcev | helps if you have 30 drives | 21:45 |
| notmyname | what do we need to do next to make progress in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466255/1 | 21:46 |
| clayg | zaitcev: *totally* | 21:46 |
| patchbot | patch 466255 - swift - Make mount_check option usable in containerized en... | 21:46 |
| rledisez | xattr on the mountpoint? (is that even possible?) the inode wuld be in cache everytime so it could be fast | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | (1) it seems like there's a ton of stuff to talk about with drives | 21:46 |
| clayg | notmyname: merge it! it's not the worst cruft we've ever taken on and all the "right ways to fix it" aren't really the author's problems. PLUS *containers* | 21:46 |
| notmyname | (2) tdasilva doesn't think we need a feature branch | 21:47 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: I'd suggest wait on for cschwede_ to be back next week and comment on the direction he would like to take. I also would prefer a less hacky approach, and maybe we can live with mount_check=false for now | 21:47 |
| zaitcev | It always was racy, yes. The idea is to prevent Swift from doing a ton of work only to find that OSerror pops | 21:47 |
| notmyname | uyes | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: good. can you cork it (a -2) until he gets back? | 21:47 |
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| zaitcev | okay, so decision is to delay and kick the mount check can down the road a bit? I can rubber-stamp that. | 21:47 |
| notmyname | and we need to get resolution on the lstat() or not | 21:48 |
| notmyname | right? | 21:48 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: done | 21:48 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:48 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on. one more big topic | 21:49 |
| clayg | tdasilva: with correct permissions you can avoid ever filling up root partition - if you plumb check_dir into account/container server (there's an existing patch from PavelK) you can have fast-507 response - I see no *technical* reason to need to make unmounted paths pretend to be mount points | 21:49 |
| notmyname | thanks for being patient, especially for those who live where it is very early or very late | 21:49 |
| notmyname | this next topic is for you | 21:49 |
| notmyname | #topic new, alternate meeting time | 21:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "new, alternate meeting time (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:49 | |
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| notmyname | in Boston, we talked about the fact that many of us cannot be at this meeting (hello mahatic) or it's very difficult (hello kota_, matt, cschwede_, etc) | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | clayg: totally makes sense. thanks for the detailed explanation on bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1693005 | 21:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1693005 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "mount check is racy" [Undecided,New] | 21:50 |
| kota_ | \o/ | 21:50 |
| notmyname | so we proposed having a new bi-weekly meeting at a better time | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | here's the proposal... | 21:50 |
| notmyname | Wednesdays at 0700, every two weeks, starting next week | 21:51 |
| notmyname | (this is at 12:00am wednesday in california) | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | this time slot is pretty good for about everyone who doesn't live between Boston and SF ;-) | 21:51 |
| notmyname | mahatic has agreed to chair the first meeting. I'll probably try to be there, too, for the first one | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | but mahatic has also asked to rotate the chair. that will be one of the first meeting topics | 21:52 |
| jeffli | it is 3pm in China. That would be great. | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | jeffli: yes. you're amazing for being here at this meeting now :-) | 21:53 |
| notmyname | the plan is to have a community sync point, like this meeting, where those who don't live in North America can more easily attend | 21:53 |
| jungleboyj | Darn timezones, 2 am in Minnesota. | 21:53 |
| notmyname | we'll still have this weekly meeting | 21:53 |
| notmyname | like all the things we've done in the past, we'll try it out and adjust as needed | 21:53 |
| notmyname | the point is that our global community can communicate | 21:54 |
| clayg | and please *talk* about stuff! Whatever you're working on - just get together and make sure you say which bugs are annoying you and which patches you wish you had time to review (or don't understand why they're not merged) | 21:54 |
| rledisez | would the topics be the same or a different topic list? | 21:54 |
| notmyname | clayg: well, said | 21:54 |
| notmyname | rledisez: different topic list | 21:54 |
| clayg | I may not be awake/online at 12:00pm - but I *will* read the logs | 21:54 |
| clayg | every week | 21:54 |
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| acoles | notmyname: 0700 UTC right? | 21:54 |
| clayg | unless they get boring - so make sure you throw in a few jokes at my expense to keep me on my toes | 21:54 |
| notmyname | this week, I will work with mahatic on getting the meetings wiki page updated with an agenda, and I'll also send a ML announcement about it | 21:54 |
| notmyname | acoles: correct | 21:54 |
| clayg | rledisez: I think it should have it's own adgenda - but I think we should keep it on the same page | 21:55 |
| kota_ | let me make sure the bi-weekly setting | 21:55 |
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| clayg | if nothing specific comes up - you can discuss what was discussed in the past two weeks of regular scheduled meetings | 21:55 |
| kota_ | do we have a couple of meeting per 2 weeks? | 21:55 |
| notmyname | the challenge for all of us is to ensure that we don't use it to have two separate communities. we've still got to all be communication (not the meeting 1 group and the meeting 2 group doing different things) | 21:55 |
| kota_ | or switch the time? | 21:56 |
| clayg | "does anyone who wasn't there have any thoughts on that stat call zaitcev was going on about last week?" | 21:56 |
| notmyname | the first meeting will be in 7 days. the second will be 21 days from now | 21:56 |
| notmyname | ie 2 weeks after teh first meeting | 21:56 |
| notmyname | May 31 and June 14 | 21:56 |
| zaitcev | clayg, you've already shot that question down as the root of all evil, by Knuth | 21:56 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: does that mean that for folks that attend both meetings, they might have two meetings on the same day that are either very late or very early? i'm thinking someone like kota_ | 21:57 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: correct (however 0700 isn't very late for him. 4pm) | 21:57 |
| tdasilva | or maybe not, i think it's already thursday for him | 21:57 |
| clayg | kota_: I think this meeting isn't going away or changing | 21:57 |
| notmyname | I DO NOT expect that anyone should feel required to attend both meetings | 21:57 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: strictly meaning, it's not both in a day (Wed and Thu morning) | 21:57 |
| zaitcev | Japan raises right about this time, I can tell by looking at Pawoo. | 21:57 |
| kota_ | clayg: ok, thx | 21:58 |
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| clayg | kota_: half as often - in a different timezone some of the same people that come here will come to a different meeting with perhaps other people that stuggle to make this meeting and try to remember that swift is happening *everywhere* | 21:58 |
| clayg | and when people who use swift talk - ~magic~ happens | 21:58 |
| acoles | tdasilva: the Europeans will get to have two meeting on same day :) | 21:58 |
| notmyname | I'll also admit that the 2 meeting coordination will be hard. but we've got a great community, and we'll work it out | 21:58 |
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| clayg | tdasilva: acoles *loves* the swift meeting tho - he wishes he could have three a day every day | 21:59 |
| notmyname | yikes, we're at full time for this meeting | 21:59 |
| tdasilva | acoles: oh yeah, it's the Europeans that have a sucky time, like 7am and 22 | 21:59 |
| acoles | clayg: I have the log on continuous replay ;) | 21:59 |
| notmyname | it will be a lot better for onovy and seznam | 21:59 |
| onovy | right | 21:59 |
| onovy | it's 8/9 am for us | 22:00 |
| kota_ | oops, run out of time? | 22:00 |
| clayg | onovy: make PavelK show up too! | 22:00 |
| onovy | clayg: ok | 22:00 |
| clayg | :D | 22:00 |
| notmyname | ok, we're at time. gotta close this meeting. thank you, all, for your work on swift! | 22:00 |
| tdasilva | this is really cool, i'm excited about this second meeting and making it easy for huge part of the community to participate | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 24 22:00:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-05-24-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-05-24-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-05-24-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: +100!! | 22:00 |
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