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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 05:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 26 05:30:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 05:30 |
| gongysh | hi everyone | 05:30 |
| janki | o/ | 05:30 |
| janki | hi gongysh | 05:30 |
| Zhou_Zhihong | o/ | 05:30 |
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| gongysh | #topic roll call | 05:31 |
| YanXing_an | o/ | 05:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:31 | |
| trinaths1 | o/ | 05:31 |
| tung_doan | o/ | 05:31 |
| sridhar_ram | o/ | 05:31 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, tung_doan trinaths1 janki Zhou_Zhihong YanXing_an hi | 05:32 |
| gongysh | so we have 7 at meeting | 05:32 |
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| gongysh | #topic BP | 05:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "BP (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:32 | |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: hi | 05:32 |
| gongysh | first BP is the VIM reacheability monitor | 05:33 |
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| gongysh | I have tried to implement it in two mistral ways. | 05:33 |
| gongysh | 1 is a loop workflow | 05:33 |
| gongysh | but it will create thousands of task execution in mistral db. | 05:34 |
| gongysh | I am trying to modify mistral not to save task executions. | 05:34 |
| gongysh | 2. is a loop task action | 05:34 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: ideally we shd have one workflow per vim | 05:35 |
| gongysh | a loop task action in a workflow. | 05:35 |
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| gongysh | but even if we deregister the vim, with the workflow is deleted, the action itself is still running. | 05:35 |
| gongysh | mistral does not stop the action even with the task execution is deleted. | 05:36 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, yes , the two ways are using just a workflow. | 05:36 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: I heard that you need to delete workflow first? | 05:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: understood, for (1) can't we delete the task-executions once it moved to completion | 05:37 |
| sridhar_ram | ? | 05:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: but that would be bad.. lots of chatter between tacker & mistral .. it will beat the whole point | 05:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | .. of introducing this feature | 05:37 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, 1's problem is: the loop workflow will create thousands of task executions in mistral db. | 05:38 |
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| gongysh | 2's problem is we will leave a loop action in mistral executor. | 05:39 |
| diga | o/ | 05:39 |
| gongysh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1685583 | 05:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1685583 in Mistral "action does not be deleted when workflow execution is delete" [Undecided,New] | 05:40 |
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| gongysh | so we have to modify mistral to allow us to use loop workflow or loop action. | 05:41 |
| gongysh | our spec is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/459520/ | 05:42 |
| gongysh | the code is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457140/ | 05:43 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: (1) can we have the delay between loops? By this way, mistral db could be decreased | 05:43 |
| gongysh | but with the 'for ever' properties of loop workflow, the decreased does not make much difference. | 05:45 |
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| gongysh | I will ask for mistral guys to look at how to let mistral not to save task executions. | 05:47 |
| gongysh | ask for -> ask | 05:47 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: is task executions removed by the "user" ? | 05:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | basically, i'm curious how mistral cleans up / garbage collects finished executions | 05:49 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, in (1) one loop workflow will be created after one vim is registered, and the workflow related executrions ( include workflow execution, its tasks executions) will be removed if the vim is de-registered. | 05:49 |
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| gongysh | but during execution, the loop workflow's task executions will be saved in mistral db. | 05:50 |
| gongysh | since we are a loop workflow, it will have many many task executions in mistral db. | 05:50 |
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| gongysh | which will crash mistral in a long run. | 05:51 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457140/5/tacker/mistral/mistralactions/ping_workflow.yaml .. one task execution per "action: tacker.pingaction" | 05:51 |
| sridhar_ram | ? | 05:51 |
| sridhar_ram | .. and this accumulates overtime ? | 05:51 |
| gongysh | yes. | 05:51 |
| sridhar_ram | got it.. sorry i'm slow today ;-) | 05:52 |
| sridhar_ram | the reason i'm asking this.. looks this is by design (from mistral perspective) | 05:52 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, seems to be. | 05:52 |
| sridhar_ram | .. they are leaving the executions for the user to get the status .. ERROR, SUCCESS, etc | 05:53 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, right. | 05:53 |
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| sridhar_ram | how abt your option (2) ? | 05:53 |
| sridhar_ram | one action with loop (implemented in python action code) ? | 05:54 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I think to modify the mistral for (1) is easier than for (2). | 05:54 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: okay | 05:55 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, class PingVimAction(base.Action): | 05:55 |
| gongysh | ... | 05:55 |
| gongysh | def run(self): | 05:55 |
| gongysh | while True: | 05:55 |
| gongysh | status = self._ping() | 05:55 |
| gongysh | if self.current_status != status: | 05:55 |
| gongysh | self.current_status = self._update(status) | 05:55 |
| gongysh | this is loop action for (2). | 05:55 |
| gongysh | it is running for every in mistral executor even if we delete our vim workflow and its executions. | 05:55 |
| gongysh | every -> ever. | 05:56 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: ouch.. first they need to support such "indefinite" action before we can leverage it | 05:56 |
| gongysh | ok that is for mistral actions to implement tack vim monitoring. | 05:58 |
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| gongysh | second bp spec | 05:58 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, do you have update for barbican integration? | 05:58 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, yes. I am writing the code | 05:58 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, great. | 05:59 |
| gongysh | third spec block storage | 05:59 |
| gongysh | Zhou_Zhihong, hi | 05:59 |
| gongysh | do you have any update? | 05:59 |
| Zhou_Zhihong | I got the review opinions. I'll use model2 and continue update the spec. | 05:59 |
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| Zhou_Zhihong | add new features of 'boot from volume' and 'volume delete' | 06:00 |
| * gongysh has to speed up to avoid sridhar_ram to blabber | 06:00 | |
| trinaths1 | :) | 06:00 |
| sridhar_ram | you've been warned ! | 06:00 |
| gongysh | Zhou_Zhihong, ok, thanks | 06:00 |
| gongysh | seems the NS with vnffg team is not here. | 06:01 |
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| gongysh | so the OSC commands | 06:01 |
| trinaths1 | hi | 06:01 |
| trinaths1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455188/ | 06:02 |
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| gongysh | openstack vim create/delete/list/show | 06:02 |
| gongysh | openstack ns create/delete/list/show | 06:02 |
| gongysh | openstack ns descriptor create/delete/list/show | 06:02 |
| gongysh | openstack ns descriptor template show | 06:02 |
| gongysh | openstack vnf create/delete/list/show | 06:02 |
| gongysh | openstack vnf descriptor create/delete/list/show | 06:02 |
| gongysh | openstack vnf descriptor template show | 06:02 |
| gongysh | openstack vnf graph create/delete/list/show | 06:02 |
| gongysh | openstack vnf graph descriptor create/delete/list/show | 06:02 |
| gongysh | openstack vnf graph descriptor template show | 06:02 |
| gongysh | openstack vnf chain/classifier show/list | 06:02 |
| gongysh | openstack vnf network forwarding path list | 06:02 |
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| gongysh | openstack nfv event list | 06:02 |
| gongysh | openstack nfv extension list | 06:02 |
| gongysh | this is my list of commands | 06:02 |
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| trinaths1 | this list looks good to me. Any other suggestions. | 06:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | let's proceed with this .. | 06:03 |
| sridhar_ram | .. we might get pulled for using acronyms "vnf" and "ns" .. we can blame ETSI NFV for that | 06:04 |
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| trinaths1 | okay. I will update the spec. | 06:04 |
| trinaths1 | sridhar_ram: ;) | 06:05 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, that's our root. we can blame ETSI NFV. | 06:05 |
| gongysh | ok. lets go with this list. | 06:05 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: we can easily get way for vnf .. ns will be little tough .. let's see | 06:05 |
| gongysh | #topic bug | 06:06 |
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| * sridhar_ram is bailing as promised ... | 06:06 | |
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| sridhar_ram | sorry folks, need to leave .. | 06:06 |
| trinaths1 | sridhar_ram: also promised a party | 06:06 |
| * gongysh is worrying about sridhar_ram into blabber mode. | 06:07 | |
| sridhar_ram | trinaths1: in syndey | 06:07 |
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| trinaths1 | sridhar_ram: :( | 06:07 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: i won't.. pls continue | 06:07 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451827/ | 06:07 |
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| gongysh | vnffg paramters | 06:07 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: I have 2 issues/bugs to discuss with you regarding deep_update | 06:08 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: I'm okay after this meeting too | 06:08 |
| gongysh | trinaths1, are you interested in testing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451827/ | 06:08 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: yes. I need testing steps the author followed.' | 06:09 |
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| gongysh | trinaths1, ok, please ask on the review site. | 06:09 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: as per dharmendra comment, the fix failed. I will re-verify. | 06:10 |
| gongysh | trinaths1, now it is your update-vim bug | 06:10 |
| gongysh | I cannot see any update on that. | 06:10 |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449956/ | 06:10 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: was working on this. will post a fresh commit today EOD> | 06:10 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: was also waiting for any other reviewer comments | 06:11 |
| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 06:11 |
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| gongysh | one is boston meeting | 06:11 |
| gongysh | we will have a on-boarding forum | 06:11 |
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| gongysh | to introduce tacker for openstack developers | 06:11 |
| gongysh | I will be on boston summit. | 06:12 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, will you be there? | 06:12 |
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| ballu_ | hi all | 06:13 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, are you awake? | 06:13 |
| gongysh | ok | 06:14 |
| gongysh | do you have any items to talk about? | 06:14 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: regarding deep_update, http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tacker/tree/tacker/common/utils.py#n206 , it was used at 2 places http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tacker/tree/tacker/nfvo/nfvo_plugin.py#n144 and http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tacker/tree/tacker/vnfm/infra_drivers/openstack/openstack.py#n213 and redefined at another place. http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tacker/tree/tac | 06:14 |
| trinaths1 | ker/vnfm/infra_d | 06:14 |
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| trinaths1 | gongysh: de we need to remove it or do we need to have it ? | 06:14 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: two implementations for deep_update | 06:15 |
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| trinaths1 | gongysh: 1 at http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tacker/tree/tacker/common/utils.py#n206 | 06:15 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: 2 at http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tacker/tree/tacker/vnfm/infra_drivers/openstack/openstack.py#n213 | 06:15 |
| gongysh | trinaths1, it is not a must to remove it. you can see if it will make your code cleaner if we don't use it. | 06:15 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: do we require 2 implemtation for 1 function ? | 06:15 |
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| trinaths1 | gongysh: there are 2 places where deep_update is used in overall code. | 06:16 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: also, its defined completely two times? | 06:16 |
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| gongysh | trinaths1, you can try first on vim update feature, if it will make your code cleaner, you can remove it in later refactor codes. | 06:16 |
| gongysh | if not, we can still use it. | 06:16 |
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| trinaths1 | gongysh: okay I agree. but still deep_update is defined two times. | 06:17 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: we use one implemenation from utils.py | 06:18 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: rather than re-defining them | 06:18 |
| gongysh | trinaths1, you even can do refactor first to merge the two definition. | 06:18 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: confused. :( | 06:19 |
| gongysh | trinaths1, you said 'its defined completely two times' | 06:19 |
| gongysh | trinaths1, let's move this to tacker channel. | 06:20 |
| trinaths1 | gongysh: okay. | 06:20 |
| gongysh | what else to discuss? | 06:20 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: I hope your suggestion in this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453964/ | 06:21 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, ok | 06:21 |
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| tung_doan | gongysh: what option to replace "policy_driver"? it is "action_driver"? I hope to wrap it soon. thanks | 06:21 |
| ballu_ | anyone can help on aodh here ? | 06:22 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, Let me think it again | 06:22 |
| gongysh | ballu_, this a tacker meeting. thanks | 06:22 |
| ballu_ | oh ok | 06:23 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: sure. thanks :) | 06:23 |
| ballu_ | thanks | 06:23 |
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| gongysh | if nothing else, we will end meeting earlier. | 06:23 |
| gongysh | thanks everyone | 06:24 |
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| gongysh | #endmeeting | 06:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 26 06:24:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-04-26-05.30.html | 06:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-04-26-05.30.txt | 06:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-04-26-05.30.log.html | 06:24 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 26 09:00:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
| oneswig | Hello and good morning | 09:00 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_April_26th_2017 | 09:01 |
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| priteau | Good morning oneswig | 09:01 |
| verdurin | Morning. | 09:01 |
| b1airo | Allo | 09:02 |
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| oneswig | Hi priteau verdurin b1airo | 09:02 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 09:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 09:02 |
| oneswig | what's new? | 09:02 |
| oneswig | Our bare metal kolla machine is awesome! | 09:02 |
| oneswig | very happy with that. I was looking at chameleon appliances yesterday... | 09:03 |
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| priteau | I have heard good things about Kolla but never tried it | 09:03 |
| oneswig | Think I've fixed a bug in our deployments where biosdevname would occasionally not name a device, which made automated deployments impossible. | 09:04 |
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| dariov | hello! | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | Kolla itself seems to work but we've got that "new deployment smell" about it - don't know the dodgy bits yet | 09:04 |
| oneswig | Hi dariov | 09:04 |
| oneswig | OK should we get started with the agenda | 09:05 |
| oneswig | #topic Boston summit sessions | 09:05 |
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| oneswig | #link planning's in here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-WG-boston | 09:06 |
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| oneswig | I put a mail out this morning calling for Lightning talk submissions | 09:06 |
| oneswig | Do I have any volunteers? :-) | 09:07 |
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| oneswig | ... ok ... next time ... | 09:08 |
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| oneswig | I've been asking around again for a prize for the best talk. | 09:08 |
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| oneswig | Nothing confirmed yet but last summit it was arranged on the day | 09:09 |
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| zioproto | hello | 09:10 |
| oneswig | The next session was the committee meeting - have you seen the agenda on the same ehterpad? | 09:10 |
| oneswig | Hi zioproto | 09:10 |
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| oneswig | zioproto: have you seen the video of your talk at HPCAC is posted? | 09:10 |
| zioproto | oneswig: I have no idea | 09:11 |
| oneswig | #link HPCAC videos http://insidehpc.com/video-gallery-switzerland-hpc-conference-2017/ | 09:11 |
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| b1airo | Sorry it's a bad time here | 09:11 |
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| oneswig | no problem b1airo | 09:12 |
| b1airo | Wondering if there would be any objections to moving this an hour later...? | 09:12 |
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| b1airo | Anything exciting at the insidehpc conference oneswig ? | 09:13 |
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| oneswig | It would be useful to collect together any activity that has gone on recently relating to the activity areas of the WG | 09:13 |
| zioproto | oneswig: looks like I am on air https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7I2WI5Ay1w | 09:13 |
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| oneswig | zioproto: I'll be looking at your layer-2 work again later! How is it working out? | 09:13 |
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| zioproto | oneswig: we are upgrading our production cluster to Newton this Saturday, so we can test the feature on the production hardware :) | 09:14 |
| oneswig | Oh cool - good luck | 09:15 |
| zioproto | oneswig: now on the staging cluster we can test functionality of the parts but not the performance | 09:15 |
| oneswig | zioproto: I'd be very interested to hear your experiences when you start to extend these layer 2 networks at range and at scale | 09:15 |
| oneswig | keep us posted! | 09:15 |
| zioproto | oneswig: I will ! | 09:16 |
| oneswig | Which makes me think that hybrid cloud for research computing use cases could make a good activity area | 09:16 |
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| zioproto | are we follwing an agenda ? I lost the beginning of the meeting, I dont know if there is an agenda link | 09:17 |
| oneswig | Agenda is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_April_26th_2017 | 09:17 |
| oneswig | Looking at etherpad at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-WG-boston | 09:18 |
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| b1airo | oneswig: did you get to a happy outcome with your metrics work? | 09:18 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: It's ongoing. I can link to some of the things we've contributed, but a sheaf of gerrit reviews isn't going to make for an exciting meeting | 09:19 |
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| oneswig | I'll look for some key points we've put articles out on. | 09:19 |
| oneswig | b1airo: Is the RACmon blog active? | 09:19 |
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| b1airo | It's out of date, there is a big backlog of posts in the pipeline - no time, not enough hands :-( | 09:20 |
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| oneswig | Ah, too bad. Made my day when somebody mentioned they found one of our old blog posts and it helped them. | 09:22 |
| oneswig | b1airo: do you have anything on GPUs, or your upcoming presentation? | 09:23 |
| oneswig | zioproto: how is the work going at SWITCH on data sets? | 09:24 |
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| zioproto | b1airo: we identified two open issues | 09:24 |
| zioproto | the first issue is the permissions on the objects | 09:24 |
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| zioproto | using the radosgw with S3 interface | 09:24 |
| zioproto | is not scalable with big datasets, because the r/w permissions are handled per object | 09:25 |
| zioproto | there is no inheritance of permissions from the bucket | 09:25 |
| zioproto | so if you have many objects, you have to touch all of them to grant an additional user a read-only permission | 09:25 |
| b1airo | Yes, presenting at NVIDIA GTC on GPU accelerated OpenStack clouds - will be announced overview of how to build one and how OpenStack supports it, then a quick show and tell of our system and some benchmarks | 09:25 |
| oneswig | zioproto: that's a nuisance indeed! | 09:26 |
| b1airo | a/announced/an/ | 09:26 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: you mentioned peer-to-peer - is gpu direct working virtualised? | 09:26 |
| b1airo | In other news, passthrough works with NVLink | 09:26 |
| b1airo | And can do P2P over it | 09:27 |
| zioproto | b1airo: the second issue is the support for AWS4 signature by the radosgw. Now it is I think two weeks I dont follow the story on that bug | 09:27 |
| oneswig | ooh. | 09:27 |
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| b1airo | zioproto: is that permissions behaviour a bug? | 09:28 |
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| zioproto | b1airo: no public updates AFAIK http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/19056 | 09:28 |
| zioproto | b1airo: permission behavior is a design problem of S3 | 09:28 |
| zioproto | b1airo: the bug is about the AWS4 signature and keystone integration. This is a just a software bug. But it is bad because recent S3 clients like Hadoop need the AWS4 signature to be working in the backend | 09:29 |
| oneswig | zioproto: bit late for a feature request then | 09:29 |
| b1airo | I did open a Red Hat case on the AWS4 thing but the answers so far do not make much sense to me. Basically they were asserting it isn't supported with Keystone but of course no detail as to why | 09:29 |
| zioproto | oneswig: I guess so. But Openstack Swift for example is able to inherit the permissions from the Swift container to the objects | 09:29 |
| oneswig | zioproto: do you maintain a blog of what you're doing at SWITCH? | 09:29 |
| zioproto | oneswig: http://cloudblog.switch.ch/ | 09:30 |
| b1airo | I need to get involved in bedtime wrangling... | 09:30 |
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| oneswig | zioproto: great, thanks | 09:30 |
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| oneswig | zioproto: do you think you'd be able to summarise your project on datasets in a blog post? | 09:31 |
| oneswig | I recall Sofiane had a detailed page on it | 09:32 |
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| b1airo | oneswig: do you know if powerd had anything new to report? | 09:33 |
| oneswig | #link Did you see there is an eventbrite page for the WG evening social at Boston https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-scientific-working-group-boston-social-tickets-33928219217 | 09:33 |
| zioproto | oneswig: yes, I will probably have to do it ! I put this in my TODO list for the month of May | 09:34 |
| oneswig | b1airo: not that I'm aware of, sorry | 09:34 |
| oneswig | BTW I heard already more than half the tickets have gone for the social and it's only been public a couple of days | 09:34 |
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| oneswig | OK, move on from the summit? | 09:35 |
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| oneswig | #topic Cloud congress | 09:36 |
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| oneswig | If you can attend and you haven't registered yet... | 09:37 |
| oneswig | #link here's the link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/boston-open-research-cloud-workshop-tickets-31893256589 | 09:37 |
| oneswig | Is there any more to add on that? | 09:37 |
| oneswig | #topic WG IRC channel | 09:38 |
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| oneswig | Quick one this | 09:38 |
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| oneswig | Mike Lowe and some others suggested an IRC channel for WG discussion | 09:38 |
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| oneswig | given we seem to work best as an information sharing forum | 09:39 |
| oneswig | I've gone through the process of creating #scientific-wg, it's pending review | 09:39 |
| oneswig | We should have a channel within a few days. | 09:40 |
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| oneswig | Nothing more to add on that... | 09:40 |
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| b1airo | Cool thanks for doing that oneswig | 09:41 |
| dariov | nice one, oneswig | 09:41 |
| priteau | Great news! | 09:41 |
| oneswig | sorry, lost control of my keyboard for a sec, took a while to find my way back :-) | 09:42 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 09:42 |
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| oneswig | Any more news? | 09:42 |
| oneswig | The Cambridge team have been looking at heat+ansible for lustre client integration via SR-IOV interfaces. b1airo - what do you do for this? | 09:43 |
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| b1airo | The config management specifically? | 09:44 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: yes - how do you do it? | 09:44 |
| oneswig | got anything you can share with your pommy mates? :-) | 09:45 |
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| b1airo | Our HPC team uses ansible. Currently our Lustre provider networks are not actually managed by Neutron, so we use a little hack and set the L3 interface config in the guest based on the config provided by Neutron on a different interface | 09:46 |
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| oneswig | interesting... | 09:46 |
| b1airo | Today I found an issue with Ethernet NIC tuning that I'm about to open a case for | 09:47 |
| oneswig | Mellanox NIC? | 09:47 |
| oneswig | We've been moving to OFED 4 on our servers | 09:47 |
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| b1airo | When we bump up the rx/tx ring buffers, from their 1024 default to 8192 as Mellanox recommended for RoCE, each interface changed accounts for almost 3GB reduction in MemFree on the host | 09:48 |
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| oneswig | 8192 * 9216 < 3GB... | 09:49 |
| oneswig | Is it a Rx ring per VF? | 09:49 |
| b1airo | So on a dual port card we lose almost 6GB, which is enough to mean we can't launch a 120GB guest on a 128GB host - OOM!! | 09:49 |
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| b1airo | ring per PF | 09:49 |
| b1airo | I don't know where that memory is going though | 09:50 |
| oneswig | Tried /proc/slabinfo before and after? | 09:50 |
| b1airo | Nothing else in meminfo accounts for it, and whilst slab goes show an increase it's only on the order of <100M | 09:51 |
| b1airo | s/goes/does/ | 09:51 |
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| oneswig | Is that a regression after driver upgrade? | 09:52 |
| b1airo | Even only setting it on one interface doesn't really work, host is under too much memory pressure and kswapd's start getting busy | 09:52 |
| b1airo | We tried a MOFED upgrade recently too, but reverted back to 3.4 when we found they'd stupidly disabled VF enablement on bond slave PFs | 09:53 |
| oneswig | You run VFs on a bond? I had no idea that was even possible. | 09:54 |
| b1airo | In our setup we have an active-backup bond with linux-bridge above it for some of our provider networks, preferred active on p2, then we put the high performance VFs dedicated on p1 | 09:55 |
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| oneswig | Ah OK, was assuming LACP | 09:55 |
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| oneswig | makes more sense... | 09:55 |
| b1airo | Yeah, apparently Mellanox were too | 09:55 |
| b1airo | They are fixing it but I guess we will have to wait for next point release | 09:56 |
| oneswig | There's no underestimating antipodean craftiness | 09:56 |
| b1airo | Also, (Intel) Lustre does not yet support MOFED4 | 09:56 |
| b1airo | (not that Intel Lustre is a separate thing anymore, but I imagine it will take a while for that to change) | 09:57 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: interesting. Any idea when? | 09:57 |
| oneswig | on the ofed4 support | 09:57 |
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| b1airo | Soon I think, we are talking to Intel about it and I think they have given Gin a build to try | 09:58 |
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| oneswig | OK thanks b1airo | 09:59 |
| oneswig | Out of time - any more? | 09:59 |
| b1airo | Thanks all! | 09:59 |
| oneswig | OK thanks everyone | 09:59 |
| b1airo | Looking forward to Boston! | 09:59 |
| zioproto | this VF Virtual Function is a Mellanox only thing ? | 09:59 |
| oneswig | Good luck at GTC b1airo | 09:59 |
| zioproto | enjoy Boston ! :) | 10:00 |
| oneswig | zioproto: It's part of SR-IOV | 10:00 |
| oneswig | Not specific although it seems the bond issue is | 10:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 26 10:00:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-04-26-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-04-26-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-04-26-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
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| b1airo | Thanks oneswig, a daunting audience! | 10:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 26 15:00:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: massively_distributed_clouds)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair menthos | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ menthos | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #info agenda | 15:00 |
| Menthos | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 agenda line 528 | 15:00 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic announcement | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcement (Meeting topic: massively_distributed_clouds)" | 15:00 | |
| jamemcc | Hello | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi | 15:01 |
| rcherrueau | o/ | 15:01 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:01 |
| Menthos | Hello | 15:01 |
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| maberrahim | Hi o/ | 15:01 |
| paul-andreraymon | hi | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | just wait two more minutes before dealing with news | 15:01 |
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| kgiusti | o/ | 15:01 |
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| jamemcc | It's just hitting me: In a podcast you are very proud to announce how high the podcast count is. Her we are very proud of the line number in the Etherpad. | 15:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | ;) | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | Ok I don't know how many people will join today. Actually we are two weeks before the summit and I know that some of us are quite busy :-P | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | So I propose to start and maybe to finish a bit sooner today. | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | So regarding the news. | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | I had a telco yesterday afternoon (CET time) with people from the OpenStack foundation | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | they contacted us to get information related to the Fog/Edge use case and the massively distributed WG. | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18823/taking-openstack-out-to-the-network-edges Verizon presentation | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | There will be a keynote on the Edge Computing made by Verizon | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | and they would like to highlight what are the on-going actions within the OpenStack ecosystem. | 15:06 |
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| ad_rien_ | I tried to present the goal of the WG and the actions we are performing/targetting, in particular the AMQP investigations | 15:07 |
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| ad_rien_ | So I don't know whether there will be some follow-ups | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | to this telco. | 15:07 |
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| kgiusti | ad_rien_: both ansmith and I will be at summit - we're available to meet if possible | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | but we discussed at the end that maybe it may make sense to organize a bird-of-feather session on massively distributed/fog/edge computing infrastructures/scenarios | 15:08 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 15:08 |
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| ad_rien_ | so that is the main news from my side | 15:08 |
| paul-andreraymon | How is that different from the session we already discussed? | 15:09 |
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| ad_rien_ | Last time we made two face to face meeting sessions related to the MAssively distributed WG | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | during the first one we had lot of people that came just to see what we are talking about and we defined concrete actions during the second sessions (only key persons stay in the second session) | 15:10 |
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| ad_rien_ | This time we have only one schedule session, I said yesterday that maybe it would be more fruitful for us to keep our face to face meeting to discuss concrete stuffs and organize another session for ''beginners'' | 15:10 |
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| ad_rien_ | Does it answer your question paul-andreraymon? | 15:11 |
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| paul-andreraymon | I am planning to be in Boston on Wednesday only. If there are two sessions can they both be on the same day? | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | I will mention that constraints but not sure whether I have lot of possibilities | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | #info Try to organize BoF on Wednesday morning if possible | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | so that's all from Inria side | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | the others news are related to EnoS so I prefer to keep them for later. | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | ok Any news from your side? | 15:12 |
| kgiusti | I've updated the AMQP section in the epad | 15:13 |
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| kgiusti | We're starting load testing rabbitmq and message routing configurations | 15:13 |
| kgiusti | But with redhat summit being next week it's unlikely we'll have anything to publish before Openstack Summit | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: ack | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | anyway it is nice to see that things are progressing | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | Ok any other news ? | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | (kgiusti I propose to keep questions related AMQP for later) | 15:15 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's move to eComp? | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic eCOMP/ONAP | 15:15 |
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| jamemcc | We had a more detailed briefing this morning form AT&T and specifically Claude Noshpitz | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | yes please jamemcc ? | 15:16 |
| jamemcc | I wanted that to be in the record since it was not done in IRC. | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:16 |
| jamemcc | Of course if anyone would like to be included in following discussion, you can log your interest here in the Etherpad. | 15:17 |
| jamemcc | We agreed to try to arrange more directed followup discussion at the Boston Forums. | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | #info a webconference on ONAP has been done from AT&T and specifically Claude Noshpitz | 15:17 |
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| jamemcc | I'll work to find the overlapping Forums and or arrange for informal discussion. My action itme from this morning's meeting. | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | So I hope there will be a follow up but meanwhile I think we can prepare/ask questions directly in the pad | 15:18 |
| jamemcc | I'll communicate that as well via the User Committee ML. | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:18 |
| jamemcc | Yes - great | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | #action jamemcc Try to arrange a f2f meeting to discuss about ONAP. | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | #action all Prepare/put questions directly in the pad. | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_ | any comments/questions on that? | 15:20 |
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| jamemcc | I think this pattern to have a briefing and then the regular meeting in IRC just after is a good one | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe we should try to put 30 minutes between | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | just to be able to take a breath ;) | 15:22 |
| jamemcc | Yes - understood | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | jamemcc: can you send/put the slides somewhere? | 15:23 |
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| ad_rien_ | so we can access them? | 15:23 |
| jamemcc | Yes - I will send out the slides covered today | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | so let's move to AMQP? | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic AMQP | 15:24 |
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| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: ansmith: the floor is yours | 15:24 |
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| kgiusti | hi - so in addition to load testing | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | we spent some time with the osnoise code | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | The osnoise tool is a bit different in use than the ombt tool | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | as ombt is designed to orchestrate a number of distributed traffic generators | 15:26 |
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| kgiusti | and gather the results to determine aggregate load | 15:26 |
| kgiusti | but the biggest difference is that osnoise is built using the rabbitmq client (pika) | 15:26 |
| kgiusti | so it will only load rabbitmq (as currently designed) | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | whereas ombt uses the oslo.messaging lib | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | and can work against all supported message bus tech | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | and... that's about all I have. ansmith? | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:28 |
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| ad_rien_ | #info osnoise is rabbitMQ dependent | 15:28 |
| ansmith | nothing to add | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | #info ombt has been developped on top oslo.messaging lib | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | any news regarding ansible/QPid? | 15:28 |
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| ansmith | created blueprint for kolla work | 15:29 |
| ansmith | and should beging ansible work following summit | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | may I ask you the link? | 15:29 |
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| kgiusti | we haven't had the bandwidth to do much lately - we have two back to back summits starting next week :( | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | ok just want to take some notes. | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | I completely understood do not worry | 15:30 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:30 |
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| ad_rien_ | so let's switch to EnOS | 15:30 |
| ansmith | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/dispatch-router-messaging-component | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | if there is no comments? | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/dispatch-router-messaging-component kolla/QPID blueprint | 15:30 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok any comment on AMQP (If I'm correct jfpeltier is not there) | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic EnOS | 15:31 |
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| ad_rien_ | @rcherrueau | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:31 |
| paul-andreraymon | I have an action to provide feedback Enos. I have not completed that yet. | 15:31 |
| rcherrueau | Everybody familiar with OSProfiler? | 15:31 |
| rcherrueau | OSProfiler is an OpenStack tool developed into performance WG | 15:32 |
| ad_rien_ | #action paul-andreraymon feedback on EnOS for the next session | 15:32 |
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| rcherrueau | OSProfiler produces a trace of your OpenStack execution | 15:33 |
| kgiusti | I know it's used here at RHAT | 15:33 |
| rcherrueau | logging, rest/rpc and python call with arguments | 15:33 |
| kgiusti | but by the O.S. dev team | 15:33 |
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| rcherrueau | So I'm working on a WIP to integrate this into Enos | 15:33 |
| rcherrueau | #link https://github.com/BeyondTheClouds/enos/pull/123/files | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: nice? Any links towards the work they do | 15:34 |
| rcherrueau | Actually it works, but the code is not really neat | 15:34 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: none that I'm aware of - I can poke around but I think the devs use it simply as a QA tool | 15:34 |
| rcherrueau | So now you can deploy and run bench with Enos and at the same time produce execution trace | 15:34 |
| kgiusti | ad_rien_: there *may* be presentations - I'll see what I can find. | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: ack | 15:35 |
| rcherrueau | We also developed a tool that automatically produce a sequence diagram based on the trace | 15:35 |
| rcherrueau | Here is an example of the output of an VM boot | 15:35 |
| rcherrueau | #link https://github.com/rcherrueau/osp-utils/blob/master/tests/rsc/out.svg | 15:36 |
| rcherrueau | blue links are for rest call | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | Inkscape and zoom zoom zoom zoom zooom :) | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | but it is nice definitely | 15:36 |
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| rcherrueau | black one for python call | 15:36 |
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| rcherrueau | and green ones for oslo_messaging | 15:36 |
| rcherrueau | The tool we use is available here | 15:36 |
| rcherrueau | #link https://github.com/rcherrueau/osp-utils | 15:37 |
| kgiusti | ooo - shiney! | 15:37 |
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| rcherrueau | It offers a small query language to query the trace and filter/fold/ ... trace | 15:37 |
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| rcherrueau | That's all for me | 15:38 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok. Thanks | 15:38 |
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| ad_rien_ | questions/comments ? | 15:38 |
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| ad_rien_ | seems not thanks rcherrueau | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe we can just add that WAN experiments are still on-going. | 15:39 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic Scheduling | 15:40 |
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| ad_rien_ | paul-andreraymon: ? | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | you want to highlight that point. | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | s/want/wanted | 15:41 |
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| ad_rien_ | paul-andreraymon: jgallard unfortunately cannot attend today but his work consisted in adding a level of regions (geographically speaking) in order to divide the scheduling problems | 15:42 |
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| paul-andreraymon | Thanks. | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | into sub problems. | 15:43 |
| paul-andreraymon | Is there a reference to that work? | 15:43 |
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| ad_rien_ | (i.e. instead of parsing the whole compute nodes, you will apply a filter that enables the scheduler to consider only a subset). | 15:44 |
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| ad_rien_ | I will ask a link toward his slides he presented a few weeks ago. | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | #action Adrien Put the link toward Orange scheduling works | 15:44 |
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| ad_rien_ | regarding IBM | 15:45 |
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| ad_rien_ | I know they made a PoC with REDIS to evaluate the scalability of the scheduling | 15:45 |
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| ad_rien_ | This should have been presented during the Barcelona summit | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | but finally it has been cancelled. | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | AFAIK, they discussed with Nova core developers and it seems that they did not give any follow up (I never suceeded to get additional information…. weird) | 15:46 |
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| ad_rien_ | From the Discovery initiative group, we have a dedicated WG that works on the placement question in a massively geo-distributed infrastructures. | 15:47 |
| paul-andreraymon | One question would be whether the scheduler can be centralized (and then we need filtering) or if it can best be distributed. | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | From the research viewpoint, a lot of works has been done (really a lot ;)) | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | exactly | 15:47 |
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| paul-andreraymon | Is the result of that research in the public domain? | 15:48 |
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| ad_rien_ | so a lot of academic works has been done in both directions. | 15:48 |
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| ad_rien_ | the goal of this WG is to first identify what are the placement constraints that are particular to Fog/Edge infrastructures (i.e. something which is different than a large-scale DC) | 15:49 |
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| ad_rien_ | basically you have performance (SLA/SLO) and functional constraints | 15:49 |
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| ad_rien_ | for instance you want to prevent to put one master VM and its replica on the same machine, | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | etc... | 15:50 |
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| ad_rien_ | we would like to understand how you can define finer constraints for instance to cope with latency QoS/requirements. | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | are you following me? | 15:50 |
| paul-andreraymon | One aspect to take into account at the edge, is what access link the edge node connects to. In Nova, you can put filters against that in principle. But each filter takes a toll on performance. | 15:51 |
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| ad_rien_ | (regarding centralized/distributed scheduling you can give a look to http://btrplace.org for instance or to DVMS http://beyondtheclouds.github.io/DVMS/ ) | 15:51 |
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| ad_rien_ | paul-andreraymon: do you want to discuss another point? any comment? | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | others? | 15:52 |
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| paul-andreraymon | Nothing on my side for now. | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | ok thanks | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic open discussion | 15:53 |
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| ad_rien_ | from my side, I would like to invite you once again to put the points you would like to discuss during our f2f meeting at Boston? | 15:53 |
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| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Massively_distributed_wg_boston_summit boston forum F2F agenda | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | For instance, once you have made your schedule for the week, it would be nice to share the presentations you believe are linked to our WG in the pad | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | so we can benefit from each other. | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | I know for instance that I cannot attend one presentation on monday afternoon due to an overlapping with one of my presentation | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | so I hope that someone will be able to attend and give us some feedbacks. | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | Last but not the least from my side: | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | @kgiusti @ansmith will folls from redhat working on Edge computing attend the summit ? | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | can we try to catch them during ou f2f meeting? | 15:56 |
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| kgiusti | ad_rien_: I'm not aware of anyone - I'll ask around. | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | #action all, please fill the etherpad for our f2f agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Massively_distributed_wg_boston_summit | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | any thing ? | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok thanks for attending the meeting and thanks once again jamemcc for the ONAP presentation. | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | Talk to you in Boston.Have a safe trip | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | Bye | 15:58 |
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| rcherrueau | bye | 15:58 |
| Menthos | Bye | 15:58 |
| kgiusti | bye | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 26 15:58:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-04-26-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-04-26-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-04-26-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
| maberrahim | ye | 15:58 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 26 16:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex karthikp_ patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Hello | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | wxy viks ketonne abishop sivn breitz | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hey | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | o/ | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
| guyr-infinidat | hi | 16:00 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:00 |
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| scottda | hey | 16:00 |
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| hemna | \o | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| mdovgal | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | If anyone knows of folks that have left and are still in that ping list, please feel free to update the Cinder Meeting wiki to remove them. | 16:01 |
| hemna | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | I have a feeling there are at least a handful there. | 16:01 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Gettin fancy | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: :-( | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | We got a few specs approved over the last week. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Let's make sure those are tracked on the etherpad and that reviewers are checking there to direct their focus | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Only other announcement I can think is just awareness of the Summit/Forum coming up real quick. | 16:03 |
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| bswartz_ | Hi | 16:04 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:04 |
| tommylikehu | one week away? | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #topic [Generalized filters] Unify API response for invalid query parameters(tommylikehu) | 16:04 |
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| tommylikehu | thanks, smcginnis | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu: Pretty much a week. I leave a week from this Saturday. | 16:04 |
| tommylikehu | Have we considered this before? | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | tommylikehu: Can you give a high level summary of what that is? | 16:05 |
| tommylikehu | I think it's easy just make our choice, remove or raise error : ) | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417441 API-WG guideline. | 16:05 |
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| tommylikehu | smcginnis: you could tell from the links | 16:05 |
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| tommylikehu | just about the api behaviour when we input some invalid querys | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu: So the idea is we should be consistent about returning 400 errors on filters? | 16:06 |
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| e0ne | IMO, API guidelines are reasonable here. 400 bad request is a good option for such cases | 16:06 |
| eharney | e0ne: i agree | 16:06 |
| tommylikehu | or consistent in ignoring the invalid filters | 16:06 |
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| tommylikehu | we have different behaviours now | 16:07 |
| e0ne | tommylikehu: we need to fix it to have the same behaviour everywhere | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | I am not a fan of ignoring. | 16:07 |
| eharney | we should be consistent about raising 400s | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: ++ | 16:07 |
| mdovgal | e0ne, + | 16:08 |
| tommylikehu | so, we all agreed on that :) | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | I think so. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Looks like it. :-) | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | There's the concern that is always raised about changing behavior. | 16:08 |
| tommylikehu | great! | 16:08 |
| hemna | sounds like a bug fix to me | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | But I think in this case, we've just been silently failing, so probably OK in most cases. | 16:09 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: unfortunately, we can't write API once and don't change it forever:( | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, it sounds like a big fix. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | *bug | 16:09 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yep | 16:09 |
| e0ne | big bug fix:) | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | I would be surprised if people were counting on silent failure. | 16:09 |
| tommylikehu | hemna, jungleboyj a bug fix for almost list APIs? | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Freudian slip. | 16:09 |
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| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:09 |
| tommylikehu | almost all the list APIs | 16:10 |
| hemna | yah if we are inconsistent now, then fixing that inconsistency seems like a bug fix to me. | 16:10 |
| tommylikehu | hemna, ok | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | hemna: +1 | 16:10 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu: Yeah, I think it would be good to get it consistent. That would be a good thing to work on. | 16:10 |
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| tommylikehu | smcginnis: I will | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu: Great, thanks! | 16:11 |
| bswartz_ | The table flip bot is in this channel too? | 16:12 |
| hemna | not yet.... | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | !! | 16:12 |
| openstack | smcginnis: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | :{ | 16:12 |
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| hemna | but he can be | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | bswartz_: I had to copy that from another channel. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Anything else? Light agenda again. | 16:13 |
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| e0ne | what about beer event at the summit? | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Ah, the important things! :) | 16:13 |
| tommylikehu | e0ne: :) | 16:13 |
| e0ne | or is it a topic for the next meeting? :) | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | A Cinder group get together would be fun to do again. | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: :-) The summit is a beer event. ;-) | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Never too early to start planning that. ;) | 16:13 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +2 | 16:13 |
| Swanson | Couldn't be happier about the force_detach test breaking my driver. But I think we discussed that enough yesterday. Still think the test is wrong. | 16:14 |
| * DuncanT is jealous and hates you all | 16:14 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Get to Fenway early. | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | And bring your badge. | 16:14 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Drink tickets and food tickets to the first 2k people | 16:14 |
| mdovgal | DuncanT, I know your feelings :( | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: I will have a few for you. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | We miss you DuncanT. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: No chance of attending? | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Not a hope for this one :-( | 16:15 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | DuncanT: might be able to get you a hotel if you can get there. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: :-( | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | diablo_rojo_phon: Too late for me to sort anything I suspect, I'll look at flights after this meeting though just in case | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | There might be something unexpectedly cheap | 16:16 |
| hemna | Fenway ? | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Official party is back. At Fenway | 16:16 |
| hemna | RedSox game? | 16:16 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | DuncanT: Let me know. Otherwise start looking for cheap stuff for the next PTG in Denver | 16:16 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | hemna: the game that night is away | 16:16 |
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| hemna | boo | 16:17 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | But they will be showing it on the screens | 16:17 |
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| hemna | @! | 16:17 |
| pewp | hemna (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 16:17 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | hemna: blame the brewers | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything else worth being recorded as part of the meeting? :) | 16:17 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | They will be in MKE | 16:17 |
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| hemna | nobody wants to be in MKE | 16:17 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | hemna: +1 | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Alright, thanks everyone. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | @!h | 16:18 |
| pewp | jungleboyj (/ .□.) ︵╰(゜Д゜)╯︵ /(.□. ) | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 26 16:18:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-04-26-16.00.html | 16:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-04-26-16.00.txt | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:18 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 26 18:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamil | 18:00 |
| krenczewski | Hi Bin | 18:01 |
| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:01 |
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| jinli | Hi everyone | 18:01 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:01 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | #info Not much update, but focusing on preparing the PoC in Boston | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #info such as demo script, slides, YAML files, and recorded video | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #info and staffing plan for OPNFV Booth and AT&T Booth etc. | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | #topic PoC Status Update | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | #info Georg has upgraded lab deployment with most recent master branch yesterday | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info Bin and Georg will try to test adding/removing some dummy YAML and see how demo scenario should work | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info Now Contrail Status | 18:07 |
| bh526r | Kamil, any new information? | 18:07 |
| krenczewski | Contrail node is in pretty same state as przeviously | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | I see. So vRouter and Contrail Controller are still not working | 18:08 |
| krenczewski | I am not sure how bad is it, is looks like most functions work correctly | 18:08 |
| krenczewski | I asked Nachi and Sukhdev to verify installation and help with it | 18:08 |
| krenczewski | but didn't get any response yet | 18:08 |
| bh526r | I see. | 18:08 |
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| krenczewski | I've deployed ContrailMechanismDriver today | 18:09 |
| bh526r | Anything you think I can help? e.g. should I ask Nachi and Sukhdev? | 18:09 |
| krenczewski | But didn't have time to play with it yet | 18:09 |
| krenczewski | I saw that it is not loaded by neutron and need to investigate this\ | 18:09 |
| bh526r | I see. That is a good progress of having deployed ContrailMechanismDriver | 18:09 |
| bh526r | Of course, just keep on investigating it. | 18:10 |
| krenczewski | I am afraid that gluon might mess up with ML2 core plugin | 18:10 |
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| krenczewski | I am not sure how gluon works and if it allow other ML2 mechanism drivers to work | 18:10 |
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| krenczewski | Do you know anything about that? | 18:11 |
| bh526r | Here is the link of Gluon Core Plugin Code | 18:11 |
| bh526r | https://github.com/openstack/gluon/blob/master/gluon/plugin/core.py | 18:12 |
| krenczewski | I'll try to check tomorrow | 18:12 |
| bh526r | Basically, Gluon Core Plugin Code extends/subclasses original Ml2Plugin | 18:12 |
| pcarver | if I understand correctly the Contrail mechanism driver should be called by the Gluon core plugin instead of ML2 | 18:13 |
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| pcarver | so Gluon replaces ML2 entirely but inherits the functionality from ML2 | 18:13 |
| krenczewski | So this should work the same and probably I messed up something | 18:13 |
| bh526r | That's right in terms of configuration | 18:13 |
| krenczewski | everything looks a little different than on devstack installations and I might forgot about something | 18:14 |
| bh526r | Neutron will load Gluon Core Plugin instead of ML2 Plugin | 18:14 |
| bh526r | The configuration in lab is based on Fuel | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | So that might be related to how to configure Mechanims Driver in Fule OpenStack, which is different from Devstack | 18:14 |
| krenczewski | Probably this is the case | 18:15 |
| bh526r | In terms of how Gluon Core Plugin works, Neutron loads Gluon Core Plugin instead of original ML2 Plugin | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | Then if the ports from Neutron is Proton port, Gluon Core Plugin will give the control to Proton Server | 18:16 |
| bh526r | Otherwise, if the ports from Neutron are Neutron ports (which is for Contrail), Gluon Core Plugin gives the control to original ML2 Plugin | 18:17 |
| bh526r | The the original ML2 Plugin should interact with ContrailMechanismDriver (as if it is the original Neutron) | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | I assume ContrailMechanismDriver works with ML2 Plugin in Devstack | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | But the configuration in Fuel OpenStack is different from DevStack | 18:18 |
| krenczewski | Correct | 18:18 |
| krenczewski | I'll investigate this tomorrow | 18:18 |
| bh526r | Thank you Kamil. | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | If after your investigation, it can work, great | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | If your investigation shows some bugs in Gluon Core Plugin code, then it needs to be fixed | 18:21 |
| bh526r | The whole purpose of this lab setup is to make sure that it works as expected, and fix any bugs/issues wherever it is. | 18:22 |
| bh526r | So thank you Kamil for your hard work | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | #info Kamil deployed ContrailMechanismDriver, and will continue to investigate the issue of interacting with Neutron via ML2 Plugin through Gluon Core Plugin | 18:24 |
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| bh526r | #info Contrail issue still the same situation as last week. Kamil asked for help from Contrail experts, but no response yet | 18:24 |
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| bh526r | #info SFC YAML is still under review, and should be available later this week. | 18:25 |
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| pcarver | I have a general question protons | 18:26 |
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| bh526r | #info Robert continues to work with Ian on P2P YAML, and possibly how to demo the data from Proton API passes through etcd and reaches backend | 18:26 |
| bh526r | sure, Paul | 18:26 |
| pcarver | Once we have the YAML, does the particle generator automatically spit out a description of the API that can be used to invoke it? | 18:27 |
| pcarver | I know we have documentation that was specifically written for the L3VPN proton | 18:27 |
| pcarver | does someone need to read the YAML and write similar documentation for the SFC proton? | 18:27 |
| bh526r | Good question. It should, but I haven't tested it yet, because of lack of YAML | 18:28 |
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| bh526r | No, user shouldn't read YAML. | 18:28 |
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| pcarver | is the particle generator directly runnable from a clone of the gluon repo or does it require a fully installed and running system? | 18:28 |
| bh526r | It can be imported to be used for other programs | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | https://github.com/openstack/gluon/tree/master/gluon/particleGenerator | 18:29 |
| bh526r | from gluon.particleGenerator import generator as particle_generator | 18:30 |
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| bh526r | So if you want to reuse it in other programs, very welcome | 18:31 |
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| pcarver | What I'm trying to figure out, is if I have a YAML file, can I just clone the gluon repo and run particleGenerator.py <YAML_file> and get an output where I can see the REST API calls that the generated proton will support | 18:32 |
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| pcarver | i.e. the GET/POST/PUT/DELETE and the corresponding URLs and the valid JSON fields that the user needs to supply | 18:32 |
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| bh526r | I see. No, not the original intention of using it this way. | 18:33 |
| pcarver | or do I need to actually have Gluon/Proton servers up and running and issue curls against them to figure out what to expect | 18:33 |
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| pcarver | how does a user figure out what REST calls they can make against a given proton? | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | Yes, either curl or use protonclient | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | We are working on a general documentation of how to find it out | 18:34 |
| bh526r | Similar to how Neutron documents their REST APIs | 18:35 |
| pcarver | but how to figure out what the URLs are, what parameters to put in the JSON? Is that self documenting or does someone have to write both the YAML and a corresponding prediction of what the generated proton's API will look like? | 18:35 |
| bh526r | Jin is working on version management improvement. Part of it is that it user hits specific version of Proton, it will return JSON of arguments of APIs | 18:37 |
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| bh526r | And a general documentation will describe how to interpret this JSON | 18:37 |
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| pcarver | every YAML will potentially create a totally new API that might look nothing like any other API, right? | 18:38 |
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| bh526r | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456772/5/doc/source/devref/gluon_proton_versioning.rst | 18:38 |
| bh526r | At the end, an example shows what happens after hitting "http://192.168.59.103:2705/proton/net-l3vpn/v1/" | 18:39 |
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| bh526r | A general documentation is needed to show user how to interpret it | 18:39 |
| bh526r | And the usage of GET/POST/PUT/DELETE is standard for all Protons | 18:40 |
| bh526r | If you can think of a better way to document considering new unknow Protons, please let me know | 18:41 |
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| pcarver | the verbs are standard, but you've got to figure out what specific URLs to use and what to put in the JSON, right? Do we essentially reverse engineer that by reading the YAML file? | 18:41 |
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| bh526r | YAML is based on the design, which is documented in https://github.com/openstack/gluon/blob/master/doc/source/devref/gluon_api_spec.rst | 18:42 |
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| bh526r | So we don't need to reverse engineer | 18:43 |
| bh526r | But to document the original design in a way of more user friendly | 18:43 |
| pcarver | That document doesn't say anything about SFC | 18:43 |
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| pcarver | I'm trying to compare the proton SFC API to https://github.com/openstack/networking-sfc/blob/master/doc/source/api.rst | 18:44 |
| bh526r | If you mean how to use a particular Proton API, with a particular flow, the party who provides this Proton needs to provide a more detailed documentation of whow to use this Proton with flows and examples | 18:45 |
| bh526r | e.g Step One, use <API A>, Step 2, use <API 2>, ... this sequence of using APIs to achieve a function | 18:46 |
| bh526r | Those steps and flows are specific for particular Protons | 18:47 |
| pcarver | yes, I'm looking to compare the API that the user would see with gluon/proton SFC to the API the user would see with networking-sfc | 18:47 |
| bh526r | Every Proton will have different steps and flows | 18:47 |
| bh526r | We don't have gluon/proton SFC yet. Georg/Ericsson is still reviewing it within Ericsson for IPR review before they can contribute it to community | 18:48 |
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| pcarver | right, I know, but I'm expecting to see it up on Gerrit any day now | 18:48 |
| pcarver | and I'm trying to figure out what to do with it when I see it | 18:48 |
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| bh526r | Yes. | 18:49 |
| pcarver | I assume that I run particleGenerator.py on it, but I'm not sure that's right and I'm not sure what output to expect | 18:49 |
| bh526r | Just run it and see what will happen :) | 18:49 |
| pcarver | and I'm not sure if I need a fully running gluon/proton server or if I can just run particleGenerator.py with no gluon or OpenStack or ODL/Contrail installed | 18:50 |
| bh526r | But I doubt that it will give those usage documentation (flows, examples etc.) | 18:50 |
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| jinli | paul you can follow install_gluon.rst to set up the server, George had all the steps there. you need step 1 to step 8 | 18:50 |
| jinli | then you can run curl url | 18:51 |
| bh526r | I would just clone the whole project, without running proton server or any configuration, run that py and see what will happen | 18:51 |
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| pcarver | ok | 18:52 |
| bh526r | Try to break it, and it will help us improve it in terms of code, usage, documentation etc. | 18:52 |
| bh526r | any question? | 18:53 |
| pcarver | I'll give it a try as soon as Georg uploads the YAML for review | 18:54 |
| bh526r | Great, thank you Paul | 18:54 |
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| bh526r | #topic Pike Tasks | 18:55 |
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| bh526r | Jin's patch got some comments today, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456772/ | 18:55 |
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| bh526r | Jin, can you fix those white space issue? | 18:55 |
| jinli | yes | 18:56 |
| bh526r | great. | 18:56 |
| jinli | will get it done end of day | 18:56 |
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| bh526r | #info Jin will fix those issues in comments, and upload new patch by the end of day today | 18:56 |
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| bh526r | Because it has been reviewed for quite long, I suggest to approve it after new patch is uploaded | 18:57 |
| bh526r | any objection? | 18:57 |
| bh526r | #info Group agrees to approve and merge it once Jin uploads a net patchset that fixes the issues raised in comment | 18:58 |
| bh526r | #info Bin will take the action | 18:58 |
| bh526r | We are running out of time | 18:58 |
| bh526r | #topic AOB | 18:58 |
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| bh526r | any other business/topic? | 18:59 |
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| bh526r | If no, we can adjourn the meeting | 18:59 |
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| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:59 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 26 18:59:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-04-26-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-04-26-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-04-26-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
| krenczewski | Bye | 18:59 |
| bh526r | Thank you everyone, and bye all | 18:59 |
| SotK | anyone here for the storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | sorry about that | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thought I was already in here | 19:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Apr 26 19:01:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:01 |
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| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:01 |
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| SotK | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
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| SotK | Nothing here | 19:02 |
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| SotK | #topic Urgent Items | 19:02 |
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| SotK | Also nothing urgent right now | 19:02 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I am slowly but steadily reviewing things; somewhat distracted by summit prep | 19:03 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | some reviews waiting over here: | 19:04 |
| fungi | looking forward to the survival guide presentation | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/storyboard | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | haha, thanks :) | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'm still in panic mode | 19:04 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | fungI: also I've been keeping track of questions that seem to come up a lot and answers to those; I may run the list by you some time at the end of this week in case you can think of any we've missed | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | erm sorry about that strange capital I | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | off the top of my head, 'will bug ids clash', 'what happens to blueprints', 'what's the syntax for gerrit' | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | seem to come up the most | 19:06 |
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| * SotK has also been reviewing things, but sadly failed to test any projects again | 19:06 | |
| SotK | fungi: thanks :) | 19:06 |
| persia | That "where is importance" doesn't come up more often is a testament to the existing documentation. | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I did have a chance to test one import for a bigger project | 19:07 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | it took a very long time (so long I stopped the import before it finished), so the migration scripts will require optimisations | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | for bigger projects | 19:08 |
| fungi | zara_the_lemur__: happy to review your faq skeleton once you have it | 19:08 |
| fungi | i agree it's a great idea | 19:08 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks :) | 19:08 |
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| SotK | I did some profiling of the scripts a while back because they were painfully slow, pretty much all of the slowness is waiting on the launchpad API | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, I wonder if we can do fewer requests? | 19:10 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | if that's not possible, one alternative might be to only import a subset of bugs immediately (eg: only open bugs), and then stagger the others (eg: merged bugs) over a period of days or something | 19:10 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | it's (very roughly) 1hr per 1000 bugs imported | 19:11 |
| SotK | I couldn't see any obvious places to do less requests given how launchpadlib works, but I didn't look entirely thoroughly | 19:11 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (though I expect it not to be as straightforward as that, because part of the slowness is around importing users, etc) | 19:12 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (and there are likely to be fewer new users to import as the script goes down the list of bugs) | 19:12 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (for scale, the project I tested was openstack-manuals; it's about 7000 bugs total. Nova is about double) | 19:13 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (that's open, merged and invalid) | 19:13 |
| SotK | we'll definitely need to come up with something then | 19:13 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't think it was a limitation with the hardware | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (my vm had 4gb ram, on a machine with an ssd and an i7) | 19:14 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | so there probably aren't easy ways to speed it up around that. :( | 19:14 |
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| clarkb | could you split the import sets? and have several machines operating on the same db (assuming its an api issue) | 19:15 |
| SotK | I expect that would work actually, yeah | 19:16 |
| SotK | we'd need to add some way of doing it to the scripts first though | 19:16 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ wonders how we'd tell the scripts to split it | 19:16 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ah snap-ish | 19:16 |
| fungi | given that the import is meant to be idempotent, does rerunning to get additional bugs later go more quickly since it can skip the content it already imported? | 19:16 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yes, it should be | 19:16 |
| fungi | i don't personally care hos long the import takes to complete. if it means we leave the script running for a week to seem most of the bugs and then do some faster passes afterward to get the updates before telling people to switch, that seems good enough to nme | 19:17 |
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| fungi | er, to me | 19:17 |
| fungi | s/hos/how/ | 19:17 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | okay, if you're okay with that, then I'm also fine with leaving it :) | 19:18 |
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| SotK | me too | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so we have 3 known issues with the scripts: handling unusual unicode character codes, erroring out when given any sort of error response code (including a 410 if, say, a user has been banned from lp) and slowness for big projects (which maybe isn't an issue) | 19:18 |
| fungi | it's a one-time event, more or less, so not like it needs extreme optimization | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | indeed | 19:18 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I thought '16 hours to import a project' might be pushing it, but if it's fine to leave it running then that works for me | 19:19 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we had one project import fail because it tried to import an lp user whose name includes a robot emoji | 19:20 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and one fail because it tried to import a user who had been banned from lp for spam, raising a 410 | 19:20 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | so we need better handling for that sort of thing | 19:20 |
| SotK | the emoji thing should be fairly simple to fix, I'm fairly sure we just need to change the charset the database is using | 19:20 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | *nod* | 19:21 |
| fungi | likely just need to make sure it's using 4-byte instead of mysql's 3-byte default | 19:22 |
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| SotK | indeed | 19:22 |
| fungi | if it only chokes on 4-byte codepoints, that's a sure sign | 19:22 |
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| fungi | etherpad had a similar issue up until a couple years ago | 19:23 |
| fungi | or, rather, our etherpad deployment did (because we were using mysql defaults) | 19:23 |
| SotK | yeah, I'd naively assumed that utf8 meant utf8 rather than utf8-that-is-3-bytes-or-less | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that sounds like fun to discover :) | 19:24 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | talk planning, review, import script testing... I don't think I have anything else in-progress | 19:26 |
| * SotK neither | 19:26 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I haven't got to kendall's latest branch patch updates | 19:26 |
| * SotK has, just this evening | 19:26 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so will mention those since she's not able to attend today | 19:26 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | ah, nice | 19:26 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ah you should probably -1 so it updates her | 19:27 |
| SotK | good point, will do | 19:27 |
| SotK | anything else in progress? | 19:27 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | nope, I'm behind enough on the things I've mentioned already \o/ | 19:28 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:28 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | tallllllllllllk | 19:29 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | as in, boston talk | 19:29 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it will be on weds 10th | 19:30 |
| fungi | the title is catchy | 19:30 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yay, that was diablo_rojo's work :D | 19:30 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | she'll be pleased | 19:30 |
| fungi | i've got it on my shortlist (for sessions i will definitely attend) | 19:31 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | \o/ | 19:31 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I'll find the details now for anyone interested, since I'm procrastinating from actually making material for the talk | 19:32 |
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| SotK | two weeks today! | 19:32 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I seem to recall it's weds early afternoon | 19:32 |
| fungi | yep, 1:50-2:30pm local time | 19:33 |
| fungi | according to my notes anyway | 19:33 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/17632/storyboard-101-survival-guide-to-the-great-migration | 19:33 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | we should also be generally around for questions etc over the summit, and available in #storyboard | 19:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | with the usual summit lag ;) | 19:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (how do people look at irc and talk in person?) | 19:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (never figured it out) | 19:34 |
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| fungi | portable computing devices | 19:35 |
| fungi | and a lot of inconvenience ;) | 19:35 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we live in the future~ | 19:35 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | also, if anyone has been receiving a lot of questions about storyboard and would like them covered, feel free to send them our way | 19:35 |
| SotK | +1 | 19:36 |
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| fungi | i'll see if i can round up some i received/answered for you | 19:36 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thank you :) | 19:37 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I see the 'frequently asked questions' that make it into #storyboard or the mailing list, but I feel like those might not be that representative | 19:37 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | if people are already informed enough to find their way there | 19:37 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo_phon and i have received some questions in private e-mail discussions | 19:37 |
| fungi | so happy to help get those merged in | 19:37 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | cool, I think that would help | 19:38 |
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| * zara_the_lemur__ doesn't think she has anything else to mention | 19:42 | |
| * SotK also has nothing | 19:42 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | that's dedication! | 19:42 |
| SotK | hey diablo_rojo_phon :) | 19:42 |
| fungi | try not to type with your teeth! | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Haha if you say so. | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Haha I'll avoid that. Not sure it would work great on the phone anyway. | 19:43 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | I saw SotK made comments on my patch that I will address before the end of the week. | 19:44 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I also need to finish writing up the release goal before the end of next week. | 19:44 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | And work on slides for our presentation. | 19:44 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | sounds like a busy week :) | 19:45 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | That's only the sb stuff lol | 19:45 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | heh | 19:46 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | well we should all be around for the slides | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I haven't gotten confirmation from cloudkitty that they want to move, but we can go ahead and do craton if we want. | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | I just need to give them a heads up about when it will happen. | 19:46 |
| SotK | do we want to decide a time/day? | 19:46 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | guessing we want to rule out summit week | 19:47 |
| SotK | I think we do | 19:47 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Add stuff to slides and we should have them done eod Friday so we can go through them next week and break it up. | 19:47 |
| fungi | yeah, i'm travelling may 4 through 14 so will likely need to find another infra-root volunteer if they want it on one of those dates | 19:47 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | fungi: noted :) | 19:48 |
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| clarkb | I too am afks from like the 5th to the 16th | 19:48 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I expect the end of this week to be a big rush of 'ACK WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO DO A TALK' on our side | 19:48 |
| fungi | i already have that x3 or 4 anyway | 19:48 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | haha | 19:48 |
| fungi | need to decide which talks i should panic about first ;) | 19:49 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ah, an important decision | 19:49 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that will consume all mental energy | 19:49 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Yeah I have sb, upstream training, keynote, foundation fundamentals and ask a stacker shifts... | 19:49 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | until it's time for the first talk | 19:49 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | leaving no time to prepare for a talk | 19:49 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | fungi: not all simultaneously? | 19:50 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo_phon: my multitasking skills are sub-par | 19:50 |
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| fungi | even panics must be serialized | 19:50 |
| SotK | solution: panic over which thing to panic about instead | 19:51 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | all else fails, improv | 19:51 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | SotK: +1 | 19:51 |
| SotK | anything else to discuss? | 19:52 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Don't think so. | 19:53 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | at least we're not doing a musical | 19:53 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ also has nothing | 19:53 | |
| SotK | ha | 19:53 |
| SotK | thanks for coming folks! | 19:53 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 19:53 |
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| robcresswell | #startmeeting horizon | 20:01 |
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| robcresswell | dammit, wrong room, that doesnt helo | 20:03 |
| robcresswell | help* | 20:03 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 20:59 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
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| rledisez | o/ | 21:00 |
| patchbot | here | 21:00 |
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| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | clayg_: clayg: ping | 21:01 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ping | 21:01 |
| clayg_ | ping 'em all | 21:01 |
| notmyname | yeah, I've thought about a "meeting ping" function for patchbot | 21:02 |
| clayg_ | oh dar | 21:02 |
| clayg_ | *dear | 21:02 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:02 |
| clayg_ | tdasilva: HI! | 21:02 |
| tdasilva | clayg_: !!!! | 21:02 |
| notmyname | ok, let's get started | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
| notmyname | rough agenda there | 21:03 |
| notmyname | but summit stuff first | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic summit update and FYIs | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | only a week and a half until the summit in boston | 21:03 |
| notmyname | good news is that mattoliverau found sponsorship so will be able to make it | 21:03 |
| clayg_ | oh dear :'( | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:03 |
| clayg_ | yay! | 21:03 |
| cschwede | :D | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | thanks to the OpenStack foundation | 21:04 |
| kota_ | congrats | 21:04 |
| notmyname | bad news is that some others ( jrichli, pdardeau_, others?) won't be there | 21:04 |
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| pdardeau_ | notmyname: i'll be there (booth duty) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | pdardeau_: awesome! | 21:04 |
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| kota_ | nice! | 21:04 |
| notmyname | that's new info! | 21:04 |
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| * notmyname backspaces over american english idioms | 21:05 | |
| notmyname | so unfortunately there's been staffing changes at some of our employers (rackspace, intel). so (1) if someone unfirtunately has to leave our community because of a new job, let's make it easy and support them | 21:06 |
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| mattoliverau | Or just hire me to work on Swift ;) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | and (2) if you know people who are hiring great openstack devs, people like mattoliverau will be at the summit and looking | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | pdardeau_: I'm not sure if you can or are ready to share anything about you and intel. last I heard your work with osic is over but there might be new opportunities elsewhere at intel | 21:07 |
| notmyname | but ... i don't want to belabor the point or put people on the spot | 21:07 |
| notmyname | the point is, as people go from time to time, let's recognize and thank them for their awesome work, and help them transitiona nd carry on their work in teh community | 21:08 |
| pdardeau_ | notmyname: it's complicated | 21:08 |
| notmyname | pdardeau_: I'm sure. please let us know if there's anything the rest of us in teh community can do to help | 21:08 |
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| pdardeau_ | thx | 21:08 |
| clayg_ | nice | 21:08 |
| notmyname | and also, at the summit there will be some great opportunities to encourage new contributors to swift! | 21:09 |
| notmyname | there's both the upstream institute training (on sunday? I think tdasilva is helping out there?) and there's a project onboarding later in the week | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | I was in the middle of getting the onboarding schedule squared away (ie finding where/when it is) as the meeting started | 21:10 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Half day Saturday and all of Sunday :) | 21:10 |
| notmyname | diablo_rojo_phon: thanks (upstream institute) | 21:10 |
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| tdasilva | I'll be there Sunday | 21:10 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: any more details on the upstream institute? | 21:10 |
| tdasilva | I know it's at the Sheraton from 9am - 6pm | 21:11 |
| tdasilva | but that's all i know | 21:11 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:11 |
| notmyname | oh! I wanted to say this too... | 21:11 |
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| timburke | onboarding is https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18714/swift-project-onboarding -- wed, 1:50-3:20pm | 21:11 |
| tdasilva | hopefully there will be newcomers interested in swift and I won't scare them away ;) | 21:11 |
| notmyname | timburke: thanks | 21:12 |
| notmyname | clayg_: thanks for leading the meeting last week! when I got back online I had a message saying "clayg led the meeting and it was great!" | 21:12 |
| notmyname | heard that from others too | 21:12 |
| notmyname | clayg_: thank you. it was very helpful | 21:12 |
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| clayg_ | np boss | 21:12 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | notmyname: what details do you want about upstream institute? :) | 21:12 |
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| clayg_ | I was really hoping to have something on the ML last week for me to digest async - so I could ask questions this week - i must have missed it tho :'( | 21:13 |
| notmyname | diablo_rojo_phon: I had a follow-up from last week's meeting (led by clayg_; i was out) saying there was some question about interest and our team's participation | 21:13 |
| notmyname | diablo_rojo_phon: and I think you and tdasilva have talked? | 21:13 |
| acoles | the onboarding session clashes with the discussion about adding ids to logging | 21:13 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | tdasilva maybe you talked to ildikov ? We just wanted some representation there in case people have swift questions. | 21:14 |
| notmyname | acoles: ah. definitely will need to split up then | 21:14 |
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| tdasilva | I only talked to jungleboyj | 21:14 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Ah. | 21:14 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 21:14 |
| notmyname | acoles: I'm going through the summit schedule to look for those sorts of schedule conflicts now | 21:14 |
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| jungleboyj | Hey sorry, forgot to join up. | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | ok. upstream institute. jungleboyj diablo_rojo_phon: is there anything you need from us at this point? | 21:15 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo_phon: Yeah, I had talked to tdasilva . He will join up. | 21:15 |
| notmyname | jungleboyj: was there a ML thread this past week? | 21:15 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | just someone to be around on Sunday :) | 21:15 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | In case people have swift questions | 21:15 |
| notmyname | tdasilva will be our (awesome as always) rep | 21:16 |
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| jungleboyj | notmyname: Since tdasilva had volunteered and was in town I didn't go to the ML. | 21:16 |
| notmyname | jungleboyj: ah ok | 21:16 |
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| jungleboyj | notmyname: Hope that was ok. | 21:16 |
| notmyname | great, then. I'm looking forward to meeting up sunday night to see how things went | 21:16 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Thank you in advance tdasilva :) | 21:16 |
| jungleboyj | notmyname: Sounds good! | 21:16 |
| tdasilva | diablo_rojo_phon: yw | 21:16 |
| tdasilva | looking forward to it | 21:16 |
| notmyname | for everyone, the summit schedule is online at https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/ so be sure to mark the stuff you want to be at | 21:17 |
| notmyname | this includes all the forum tracks too | 21:17 |
| notmyname | a brief work on the swift forum sessions | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | first, thank you to everyone who added those comments to the topics about "why this session needs to happen" | 21:18 |
| notmyname | what that's resulted in is a large block of time on wednesday (IIRC) in one room for swift | 21:18 |
| notmyname | there are format topics and time slots scheduled, but I want to do it similarly to some past summits | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | at the beginning of that time block, we'll write down the scheduled (and unscheduled) topics that need to be covered, and we'll have 4 hours or so to get through them | 21:19 |
| notmyname | so they originally scheduled us for a few more time slots on different days, but they realized they gave swift a lot of time slots (this is because of the topic comments!) | 21:20 |
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| tdasilva | oohh..i did notice that some had disappeared | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | so they were going to take some away to give to other projects, and I was able to give up the "time islands" ones and ensure we got the large contiguous block of time | 21:20 |
| tdasilva | nice! | 21:20 |
| notmyname | ie instead of losing the big block of time | 21:21 |
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| kota_ | make sense | 21:21 |
| notmyname | so the unscheduled topics I mentioned earlier.. those are the things that got dropped | 21:21 |
| notmyname | so I do definitely want to get through most of the stuff we had on the etherpad. it will be fast. it will be hard to do. but we can do it | 21:21 |
| notmyname | I'll be working on that schedule before next week's meeting, and I plan to have more details then | 21:22 |
| * notmyname is just starting on it now | 21:22 | |
| notmyname | ok, so before we move on to other topics, are there any questions about the summit? | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | plus there will be the hallway and beer track right? | 21:22 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: of course! | 21:22 |
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| joeljwright | Mmmmm beer | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: you can sleep on the plane ride home | 21:23 |
| clayg_ | i've heard about this hacking rooms? | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | after my last week, I'll need it ;) | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: that is true | 21:23 |
| notmyname | clayg_: ah right! I just saw something about that | 21:23 |
| notmyname | AIUI the "hacking rooms" are like the reservable rooms at the PTG? | 21:23 |
| clayg_ | hacking on swift can be a somewhat raucous affair - hopefully we don't upset anyone | 21:23 |
| notmyname | that's what it sounded like to me? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | clayg_: but if you understood something different, do tell | 21:24 |
| clayg_ | well find out when we get there - i'm keeping an open mind | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | any other questions on the summit? | 21:24 |
| clayg_ | I'll try to make space for the work that we need to do within reason - if we really can't make it work w/o interrupting other people or the general flow - I'll give that feedback to the foundation folks | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | oh, maybe our time block is tuesday (like I said, I'm just now looking at it) | 21:25 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on... | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | #topic swift 2.14.0 release | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | again, thanks for the prioritization and triage lists for the bugs and patches that were done last week | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | the big stuff landed, there's great stuff on master that's unreleased, let's release! | 21:26 |
| notmyname | the authors/changelog update should be making its way through the gate right now | 21:27 |
| notmyname | when that lands, i'll do the patch to request the release | 21:27 |
| notmyname | thank you for your reviews and work on this release | 21:27 |
| notmyname | #info swift 2.14.0: the best one yet! | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | but you know what's better than swift 2.14.0? | 21:28 |
| notmyname | swift 2.15.0 | 21:28 |
| timburke | 2.14.1! | 21:28 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:28 |
| notmyname | timburke: yep! | 21:28 |
| clayg_ | notmyname: is there an openstack release coming up? or did the new scheduling fix it so the next openstack release isn't right on top of the forum? | 21:28 |
| timburke | i'm just going to assume we'll need a minor bugfix ;-) | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | clayg_: the latter. no openstack release coming up | 21:29 |
| clayg_ | ... and it's Pike right? we're working on Pike? | 21:29 |
| timburke | yup | 21:29 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: and taht would make it better :) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews has some high priority bugs on it | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | as a reminder, there's a ton of stuff people are interested in working on (in addition to the bugs) | 21:29 |
| clayg_ | some of them are more "improvements for existing stuff", dunno - i was hoping to get more feedback on that - but maybe I accidently picked the right stuff? | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | the two most important things in swift are container sharding and improving rebalance. if you're not looking at bugs listed on priority reviews, you can be most helpful by helping with these | 21:31 |
| mattoliverau | oh yeah, I should give sharding some love before I loose my clouds. | 21:31 |
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| joeljwright | :'( | 21:31 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau is obviously the world's leading expert on container sharding, but timburke and others have been learning in case we lose matt | 21:31 |
| notmyname | if you want to help out on container sharding, the best way is to help improve test coverage. (1) it needs more tests (2) it will help you learn it | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | timburke and acoles are awesome, just saying | 21:32 |
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| timburke | one of the things i've been meaning to do for a while is to make a probe test harness... | 21:33 |
| notmyname | if you want to help out with improving rebalance, clayg_ is your starting point. and https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-rebalance is a rough guide of current thinking | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | and once you learn it you can make it better. fresh eyes and all that. | 21:33 |
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| clayg_ | notmyname: there's also zaitcev's patch to fix PUTs - which is related to golang | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | ah, right. yeah, you and I need to write up a consolidated view of the different parts of that work | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | typey typey | 21:34 |
| notmyname | yup | 21:35 |
| notmyname | or in clayg_'s case, pencil and notepad ;-) | 21:35 |
| clayg_ | werd | 21:35 |
| timburke | oh, and looking back at the priority reviews: should i go ahead and squash in my fixups for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302494/ ? i think i'd be ready to +2 with that... | 21:35 |
| patchbot | patch 302494 - swift - Sync metadata in 'rsync_then_merge' in db_replicator | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | ok, any questions on all that? the release, the big things being worked on? | 21:35 |
| timburke | i feel bad that it had languished for like a year before i looked at it :-( | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | :-( | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | timburke: IMO, yes, squash changes | 21:36 |
| notmyname | kota_: is daisuke still around to help out on that? | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | do you know? | 21:36 |
| kota_ | notmyname: i don't think so | 21:37 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:37 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: for the record, thank you so much for your incredible work on sharding, we are indebted to you | 21:37 |
| notmyname | yeah, I only occasionally see him in irc any more | 21:37 |
| timburke | indeed! | 21:37 |
| joeljwright | acoles: +1 | 21:37 |
| notmyname | acoles: mattoliverau: +1 | 21:37 |
| kota_ | notmyname: i just talked him yesterday but he said, not able to do it | 21:37 |
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| mattoliverau | says the people who are yet to run it :P | 21:37 |
| pdardeau_ | acoles: +1 | 21:37 |
| notmyname | timburke: so yeah, squash away | 21:37 |
| mattoliverau | YW | 21:37 |
| notmyname | kota_: ok | 21:37 |
| kota_ | notmyname, timburke: i'll try to look at the patch to help something | 21:38 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks | 21:38 |
| timburke | thanks kota_ | 21:38 |
| notmyname | #topic follow-up: patch 456205 | 21:38 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456205/ - python-swiftclient - WIP: Use keystone session when possible | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | it was on the agenda as a follow-up from last week | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | but the patch doesn't look like it's moved much/any and lots of tests fail and it's WIP | 21:39 |
| notmyname | so.... | 21:39 |
| notmyname | ? | 21:39 |
| joeljwright | yeah, so I've been looking at that patch… I think it highlights how big the change to generic keystone client would be… | 21:39 |
| joeljwright | I don't think jaosorior has time to work on it | 21:39 |
| clayg_ | i lost track of the link to the related/earlier attempt/change | 21:40 |
| notmyname | but my understanding is that this will be required to use keystone in the new devstack world order? | 21:40 |
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| clayg_ | oh wow | 21:40 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: keystone certainly want the generic stuff to be used and not the version specific clients | 21:41 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: what do we need to do here, then? | 21:41 |
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| joeljwright | it's a big change | 21:42 |
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| joeljwright | the basic idea is in that patch, but it't a lot of work to move to keystone sessions | 21:43 |
| joeljwright | and it changes some of the client behaviour | 21:43 |
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| joeljwright | we need to do it | 21:43 |
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| joeljwright | but it will take a while | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:43 |
| notmyname | could you outline what's needed with any details you know and link to it on the ideas page? | 21:44 |
| notmyname | I think that would help the rest of us keep track over the weeks as we go | 21:44 |
| notmyname | or trello or whatever you like | 21:44 |
| joeljwright | sure, I'll write down what I understand the situation to be | 21:45 |
| notmyname | perfect. thanks | 21:45 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | what else do we need to talk about this week in the meeting? | 21:45 |
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| mattoliverau | obviously not much :) | 21:46 |
| notmyname | careful... we're in danger if ending 10 minutes before last week's meeting | 21:46 |
| notmyname | might make clayg_ feel bad if we end so early ;-) | 21:47 |
| clayg_ | nah i'm good | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | heh, ok :-) | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | thank you everyone for your work on the code and on the community. you are why swift is great | 21:47 |
| notmyname | I'm looking forward to seeing (most of) you in boston | 21:47 |
| notmyname | until next week.... | 21:47 |
| joeljwright | have fun peeps | 21:47 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ I can finish breakfast | 21:47 |
| notmyname | ...or 30 seconds in #openstack-swift | 21:47 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Apr 26 21:48:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-04-26-21.00.html | 21:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-04-26-21.00.txt | 21:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-04-26-21.00.log.html | 21:48 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 21:48 |
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