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| ekcs | time for congress meeting. thinrichs masahito aimeeu ramineni_ | 00:00 |
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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 6 00:00:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
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| ekcs | Hi all! | 00:01 |
| aimeeu | Hi ekcs! | 00:01 |
| masahito | hi | 00:01 |
| ramineni_ | hi | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | Hi all | 00:02 |
| ekcs | good to have everyone back =) | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | (Sorry I've missed the last couple. Been a busy few weeks.) | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs: =) | 00:02 |
| ekcs | Not much from me in terms of special topics today. #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:03 |
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| ekcs | please feel free to add your topics. I’ll wait a couple minutes. | 00:03 |
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| ekcs | ok let’s get started then. | 00:06 |
| ekcs | #topic pike-1 milestone | 00:06 |
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| ekcs | Just a reminder that target week is next week. So let’s submit and review patches intended for pike 1. | 00:07 |
| ekcs | anything to discuss there? | 00:07 |
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| aimeeu | I don't think I'll have the OPNFV Copper bash tests ready by then. I'm running into issues testing them against DevStack master. | 00:09 |
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| aimeeu | The tests were written for Newton so I have to update many of the calls. | 00:09 |
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| ekcs | got it. thanks for the update aimeeu ! | 00:10 |
| ekcs | a little surprised to hear that many things needed change between newton and now. do you have an example handy? | 00:10 |
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| aimeeu | deprecated API calls in neutron | 00:11 |
| aimeeu | and also some of the images used by glance have changed to newer versions | 00:11 |
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| ekcs | oh I see. So not in the interactions with congress then. | 00:13 |
| ekcs | but still part of the test case. | 00:13 |
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| aimeeu | yes - set up | 00:14 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: that reminds recently someone reported bug , congress desn start if glance service is not up | 00:15 |
| ekcs | aimeeu: got it. well thanks! so your current step is update the copper bash tests to work in master. then after that we’ll look at how to do it in tempest? | 00:15 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: anyone noticed this type of error, bit strange | 00:16 |
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| aimeeu | ekcs: yes. I plan to upstream the tests to the examples folder and then figure out how to write as Tempest tests | 00:16 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: that sounds familiar to me, though it's been too long. Maybe I'm thinking of congress failing to start if you include a driver in the config that doesn't actually exist. | 00:17 |
| ramineni_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1671344 | 00:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1671344 in congress "congress service fails to start if glance is not running" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Anusha (anusha-iiitm) | 00:17 |
| ekcs | aimeeu: sounds good! | 00:18 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: the driver exists and service is not started for the particular service, is it expected to fail? | 00:19 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: yes I saw the bug. thanks for looking into it. it says you confirmed it, so you were able to reproduce it? Did the same thing happen with any other service? | 00:19 |
| ekcs | I’m guessing the driver threw the wrong error or the right errors were not correctly caught by congress. | 00:20 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: yes, im able to reproduce it easily, if you stop glance service and then start congress, congress doesnt start | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_: maybe in the constructor it's trying to contact Glance, and if that fails it throws an error. It's possible we've only got try/catch around the poll() call and not around the constructor call. | 00:20 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: ya, thught of the same , actually it is happening in adding executable methods? | 00:21 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: its trying to contact glance then | 00:21 |
| thinrichs | In any case, I'd think that datasource failures shouldn't cause Congress to fail to start | 00:22 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: makes sense. and seems consistent with the error log. | 00:22 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: ya, will fix for pike1 | 00:22 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: not sure happening with other servcies too, will check | 00:22 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs ramineni_ : yup agreed that datasource failures shouldn’t cause congress to fail to start. I suspect the same issue may be in several other drivers too. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | Inside of harness it looks like we're catching all exceptions. | 00:23 |
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| thinrichs | https://github.com/openstack/congress/blob/master/congress/harness.py#L155 | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | Wrong line. Should be 161 | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | Nuts—it reraises the exception. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | in 163. So we should just remove line 163 I'd think. | 00:24 |
| ekcs | yup. | 00:24 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: yes, may be logging the exception and and return should do fine | 00:25 |
| thinrichs | Who wants to make the 1-line change? | 00:25 |
| thinrichs | Probably not return, since we're in the middle of the loop spinning up all the datasources | 00:25 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: right | 00:26 |
| ekcs | great glad it’s a simple fix =) | 00:26 |
| ekcs | anything else to discuss around pike 1? | 00:27 |
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| ekcs | ok let’s move on then. | 00:28 |
| ekcs | #topic status | 00:29 |
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| ekcs | Let’s do some quick statuses. Feel free to share things we’ve been doing, looking at, thinking about, or whatever potentially of interest here =) | 00:30 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: would you like to start us off? | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | Sure | 00:30 |
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| thinrichs | Been underwater of late. | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | Trying to get back to adding policies to the library. | 00:30 |
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| thinrichs | And catching back up with where things are going. | 00:31 |
| thinrichs | Not a lot to say unfortunately | 00:31 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: thanks! | 00:31 |
| ekcs | anything interesting from your trip? | 00:31 |
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| thinrichs | Seeing some good interest in policy in different pockets of the kube community. | 00:32 |
| thinrichs | Most keen interest is coming from the federation component of kube. | 00:32 |
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| thinrichs | I don't know of an OpenStack equivalent. | 00:33 |
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| thinrichs | Federation is a component that replicates workloads across multiple kube instances/clusters. | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | In OS, we have federated identity. But in kube they federate workload placement. | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | Policy is attractive as a way of controlling which workloads get placed in which clusters | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | If anyone ever decides to create a federation for OpenStack clusters, I'd say we lobby for Congress to be part of it. | 00:35 |
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| thinrichs | But otherwise not a lot of carryover into the OpenStack world. | 00:35 |
| ekcs | hmm interesting… I don’t understand all of what you said but that’s helpful =) | 00:36 |
| thinrichs | :) | 00:36 |
| ekcs | oh also, would you like someone to put up the policy library APIs in a spec? | 00:36 |
| thinrichs | Sorry it wasn't clearer. Tried to not use too much jargon | 00:36 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: that's probably smart. I seem to remember volunteering to write the spec, but maybe that's unreallistic | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | I can help review of course. | 00:37 |
| ekcs | ok great. anyone else want to volunteer for that? | 00:38 |
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| ekcs | ok let’s move on then =) | 00:39 |
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| ekcs | I can go next. | 00:39 |
| ekcs | I’ve mostly been getting up to speed on ONAP. Attended some of Open Networking Summit this week. | 00:40 |
| ekcs | And looking forward to this ONAP mini-summit tomorrow #link http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/open-networking-summit/program/schedule | 00:40 |
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| ekcs | Also been doing digging around and reading about best practices to find things to add to our policy library. | 00:40 |
| aimeeu | ekcs: you will know more than I do! | 00:40 |
| aimeeu | about ONAP | 00:41 |
| ekcs | that’s mostly it from me. | 00:41 |
| ekcs | aimeeu: haha. | 00:41 |
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| ekcs | aimeeu: anything you’d like to share status wise? | 00:42 |
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| aimeeu | I started the generic datasource blueprint - the more I think, the more complicated it gets. :) Still buried with OPNFV, ONAP, and OpenStack-Helm project work. | 00:43 |
| aimeeu | that's it from me | 00:43 |
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| ekcs | Thanks! | 00:44 |
| ekcs | just for some context around ONAP, it’s the merger of open ecomp and OPEN-O. In both cases there is significant role for policies. in the ecomp vision there will be some common policy language that maps to specific policy engines such as xacml, drools, and potentially congress in the future. | 00:45 |
| ekcs | I’d also like to get familiar with the requirements for that common policy language and see what ideas congress can offer there. | 00:45 |
| ekcs | anyway. masahito would you like to share anything? | 00:46 |
| masahito | sure | 00:46 |
| masahito | I'm still working on parallel execution. | 00:46 |
| masahito | manual testing is done. then I'm trying to make unit tests for it. | 00:47 |
| masahito | that's from my side. | 00:47 |
| ekcs | awesome! | 00:47 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: anything you’d like to share? | 00:47 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: sure, | 00:48 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: working to get dashboard project onboard, pretty much pacthes are in, testing and devstack integration in progress , may be once this is done ill start with monitoring ui part | 00:48 |
| ekcs | awesomeness. | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | Nice! | 00:49 |
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| ekcs | ok then. | 00:49 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussions | 00:49 |
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| ekcs | anything else to talk about? | 00:49 |
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| masahito | ekcs: Do you plan to have forum session in Boston? | 00:50 |
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| ekcs | masahito: I did not submit any forum proposals. is that what you mean? | 00:51 |
| masahito | Just a question whther we have a forum session or not. | 00:52 |
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| ekcs | masahito: I don’t think we have a congress specific one planned. | 00:54 |
| masahito | ekcs: got it. | 00:55 |
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| aimeeu | the topics submitted for consideration in the Forum #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 00:55 |
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| thinrichs | Got to run. Thanks everyone! | 00:57 |
| ekcs | bye thinrichs | 00:57 |
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| ekcs | thanks aimeeu ! Maybe we could look through it and comment on sessions of interest to us. | 00:58 |
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| ekcs | seems like there is community review? | 00:58 |
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| aimeeu | Just reading the emails - "a team of representatives from the User Committee, the Technical Committee, and Foundation staff will take the sessions proposed by the community and fill out the schedule." | 00:59 |
| aimeeu | Schedule due out 10 April | 01:00 |
| ekcs | ok got it. thanks aimeeu ! | 01:00 |
| ekcs | alright. out of time. thanks all and see you next time! | 01:00 |
| aimeeu | thanks ekcs! | 01:00 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 6 01:01:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-04-06-00.00.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-04-06-00.00.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-04-06-00.00.log.html | 01:01 |
| masahito | thanks | 01:01 |
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| zhenguo | #startmeeting mogan | 02:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 6 02:01:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mogan' | 02:01 |
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| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: hi | 02:02 |
| zhenguo | o/ | 02:02 |
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| liusheng | o/ | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | as always, the agenda: | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | let's jump in | 02:03 |
| zhenguo | #topic announcements and reminders | 02:03 |
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| zhenguo | The Suzhou Bug Smash for Pike | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Pike-Suzhou | 02:04 |
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| zhenguo | Pls register if you want to go, hope to see you there:D | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: will you go? | 02:04 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: maybe no. need buget | 02:05 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: lol | 02:05 |
| liusheng | shaohe_feng: :( | 02:05 |
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| zhenguo | JF should give more budget for mogan guys | 02:05 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: yes, I will check with jf. | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: ok, thanks | 02:06 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: maybe he can let luyao go there. | 02:06 |
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| zhenguo | that's good | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | not sure if wanghao and litao can go as well | 02:07 |
| wanghao | I'm here | 02:07 |
| liusheng | are you in Shang Hai or Beijing ? | 02:07 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: o/ | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | we can have a mid-cycle there to discuss the next plan for Mogan, so hope to see more people | 02:08 |
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| zhenguo | zhangyang: how about you and liudong? | 02:09 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: liudong and i already registered :D | 02:09 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: yes, it is better to disscuss face to face | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: nice | 02:09 |
| liusheng | welcome | 02:09 |
| zhangyang | hope to see you guys :D | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | hah | 02:10 |
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| zhenguo | ok, let's move on | 02:10 |
| zhenguo | We have changed to use ipmitool driver for mogan tempest as the *_ssh drivers in ironic are unsupported since Newton and slated for removal in Pike. | 02:11 |
| zhenguo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/452735/ | 02:11 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: not sure if that will affect your console feature, | 02:11 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: does ipmitool driver cannot support console in vm nodes ? | 02:12 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: I just asking for this :D | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: seems it can't | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | need to check | 02:12 |
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| zhenguo | but at least we need to update the doc that mentioned ssh driver then | 02:12 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: ok, will try in physical machine | 02:13 |
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| zhenguo | nice | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | We will drop admin password support for bare metal instances, as there's some limitations with cloud-init | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | Users can use keypair instead and it's more general | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: wdyt? | 02:14 |
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| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: agree. most baremetal management use keypair | 02:16 |
| zhenguo | ok | 02:16 |
| zhenguo | we may need to implement the same keypair API with nova | 02:17 |
| zhenguo | is there anyone want to take this task, | 02:17 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: yes. if we want to persistent the keypair API | 02:17 |
| zhenguo | oh, maybe we need to discuss task things in next topic :D | 02:17 |
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| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: yes | 02:18 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: if no volunteer, I can have a try :) | 02:18 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: thanks very much! | 02:18 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: np | 02:18 |
| zhenguo | The Valence integration spec is landed, I will send out a new flavor spec by this week, sorry for the delay. | 02:19 |
| zhenguo | ok, not much of announcement, anyone else have a thing here? | 02:19 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: maybe we can have a one developer in mogan. I will talk with jf | 02:19 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: new developer? | 02:20 |
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| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: I'm trying | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: thanks! | 02:22 |
| liusheng | shaohe_feng: that is cool | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | ok, what's next | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | #topic task tracking | 02:23 |
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| zhenguo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mogan-task | 02:23 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: please feel free to replace the keypair task owner :D | 02:24 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: ok | 02:24 |
| zhenguo | and please fee free to take any task including already assigned to me if you want | 02:25 |
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| zhenguo | s/fee/feel | 02:25 |
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| zhenguo | and besides new tasks, I think we must have many bugs as the big refactors recently :( | 02:26 |
| zhenguo | hope you can help to find and fix them | 02:27 |
| liusheng | lol | 02:27 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: we can add the big refactors to the task list | 02:28 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: we need a real baremetal env | 02:28 |
| liusheng | our instance creation tempest test still alive | 02:28 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: ok, will have a try, but may need your help | 02:28 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: hah, that's the basic functionality, | 02:28 |
| luyao | a question , using ipmitools means must use baremetal env? | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: it's finished, the other refactors are seperate tasks already list there | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | luyao: no | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | luyao: ironic has a virtualbmc project | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | luyao: it can translate ipmi commands to virtual ssh | 02:30 |
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| luyao | zhenguo, oh, I see :) | 02:31 |
| zhenguo | hah, | 02:31 |
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| liusheng | seems there are many limitations using impitools in virtual env | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | yes, it only support basic bmc management | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | at least not support console now | 02:33 |
| liusheng | yes | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | but we can check with them to see if it's in progress | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | ok, anyone else have a thing here | 02:36 |
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| zhenguo | or do you think some tasks should be prioritized | 02:36 |
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| zhenguo | zhangyang: how's the cloudboot driver, have you tested the basic functionalities like create or delete? | 02:37 |
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| zhangyang | zhenguo: not yet, it's a bit slow... | 02:38 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: hah, | 02:39 |
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| zhenguo | zhangyang: maybe you can encourage some cloudboot guys to join us | 02:39 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: I think mogan is also benefit for them | 02:39 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: yes, i think so. but not met them yet, they're in hangzhou :( | 02:40 |
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| zhenguo | zhangyang: maybe you can invite them to Suzhou, lol | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: we can have a dicussion together | 02:40 |
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| zhangyang | zhenguo: hah, i think it's maybe difficult, they are really busy | 02:41 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: hah | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: and when cloudboot is ready, we may need a third party CI, will talk to you then | 02:42 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: ok, that's very nice | 02:43 |
| zhenguo | ok, let's move on | 02:44 |
| zhenguo | #topic open discussion | 02:44 |
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| zhenguo | who's got a thing :) | 02:44 |
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| zhenguo | if not, we can end the meeting :D | 02:45 |
| zhenguo | thanks y'all | 02:45 |
| liusheng | thanks | 02:45 |
| zhenguo | #endmeeting | 02:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 6 02:45:50 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-04-06-02.01.html | 02:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-04-06-02.01.txt | 02:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-04-06-02.01.log.html | 02:45 |
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| eumel8 | morning | 06:58 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, hi! | 07:01 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, jpich hi :) | 07:01 |
| jpich | Hello! | 07:02 |
| eumel8 | Hello! | 07:02 |
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| ianychoi | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 6 07:03:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:03 |
| ianychoi | #topic open discussions | 07:03 |
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| ianychoi | Sorry today it is a little bit difficult to lead with topics | 07:03 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-April/002872.html | 07:03 |
| ianychoi | This is a hot topic for me now and I have been investigating it today | 07:03 |
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| jpich | It's ok. Any idea on how to fix it? | 07:04 |
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| eumel8 | Andreas catched the topic #link https://github.com/python-babel/babel/issues/489 | 07:05 |
| jpich | I see he has a patch too | 07:05 |
| ianychoi | ko-KR vs. ko_KR, zh-CN vs. zh_CN are typical world | 07:07 |
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| ianychoi | In OpenStack world, we use _ but Zanata uses - :) | 07:09 |
| jpich | I I think AJaeger's patch at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453997/ might cause issues for tripleo-ui, we need the names with a dash - I will check after the meeting and comment on the review. (We can convert _ back to - somewhere else in the script if needed so it shouldn't be a blocker, just need to be careful) | 07:10 |
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| jpich | eumel8: Thank you for the link to that upstream report, I'll subscribe as well! | 07:13 |
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| ianychoi | :) | 07:15 |
| ianychoi | jpich, by the way, did you remove de for tripleo-ui? | 07:16 |
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| jpich | ianychoi: No, I was leaving it until tomorrow. I also asked someone else who's German if maybe he could help as well, if they have a bit of time :) | 07:17 |
| jpich | eumel8: I'm very sorry about this, and very thankful for the work you did on the initial translation for tripleo-ui! Unfortunately we hadn't released yet at the same, and because it was our first release with i18n we realised later that we forgot to add i18n for strings in other parts of the UI so the translation percentage dropped... :( | 07:18 |
| jpich | But thanks again for your work, it was really appreciated and we hope to bring German back in the future :) | 07:19 |
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| eumel8 | mhmm, ok. | 07:20 |
| ianychoi | jpich, will you come to Boston Summit? | 07:20 |
| eumel8 | it's not so much stuff but at the moment I have priority set to common docs | 07:20 |
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| jpich | eumel8: Yup, I totally understand, no worries at all! If the percentage comes back up it'll be added back anyway, there is no rush :) And tripleo-ui is Low priority, especially compared to docs | 07:21 |
| eumel8 | what's the right branch? master or stable-ocata? | 07:21 |
| eumel8 | there are both | 07:21 |
| jpich | eumel8: stable/ocata would be awesome, and then I can annoy ianychoi to merge back into master again later maybe... :-) | 07:22 |
| jpich | There are (much) fewer changes in stable/ocata | 07:22 |
| eumel8 | okay, will see what's going on today | 07:23 |
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| ianychoi | hmm thanks a lot | 07:27 |
| eumel8 | other topic: ianychoi: are you available over the weekend? | 07:27 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, sure | 07:27 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, but Sunday would be better Saturday... your timezone should be fine I think | 07:28 |
| eumel8 | would be nice if you propose a timeslot to talk about Boston presentation and workshop | 07:28 |
| eumel8 | Sunday is ok | 07:28 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Oh sorry I forgot to answer, no I will not be at the Boston Summit | 07:29 |
| jpich | but I am looking forward to look at the videos for the i18n team's talks :) :) :) | 07:29 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, okay | 07:31 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, sure definitely I have been busy sorry for not replying for that | 07:31 |
| eumel8 | okay, then send an email to xxwill, jftalta and me with the proposed time for Sunday. I'm available the whole day. | 07:33 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, thanks a lot + idea brainstorming discussion would be much nice with the participation of zzxwill and aeng I think | 07:34 |
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| eumel8 | yes, alex, of course | 07:36 |
| eumel8 | have you already prepared something for the workshop? | 07:36 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, not yet | 07:37 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, might we need additional VMs? | 07:37 |
| ianychoi | I have seen one e-mail from Foundation... I will share with you and jftalta | 07:37 |
| eumel8 | ok | 07:38 |
| eumel8 | VMs for what? | 07:38 |
| eumel8 | you want to show also cli tools? | 07:38 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, hmmm.. maybe forwarding an e-mail would be better for explanation :) | 07:46 |
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| eumel8 | ok, thx | 07:48 |
| jpich | ianychoi: I misunderstood Andreas' patch! No problems from my side :) | 07:48 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, aha thanks a lot | 07:52 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, i have found it and forwarded | 07:56 |
| eumel8 | good :) | 07:56 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, jpich sorry for today - I am seeing Swift because of someone's request | 07:56 |
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| jpich | No problems, good luck! | 07:58 |
| eumel8 | np | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, jpich and thanks a lot today :) I will close meeting | 07:58 |
| eumel8 | k | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 07:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 6 07:58:36 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-04-06-07.03.html | 07:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-04-06-07.03.txt | 07:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-04-06-07.03.log.html | 07:58 |
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| eumel8 | jpich: your tripleo-ui translationin de is mostly done | 07:59 |
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| jpich | eumel8: Oh?? Wow thank you!! :D \o/ \o/ | 08:00 |
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| eumel8 | :) | 08:01 |
| jpich | You rock :) | 08:01 |
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| eumel8 | you're welcome :) | 08:03 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 6 09:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:00 |
| gmann | hi, who all here today | 09:00 |
| masayukig | o/ | 09:00 |
| chandankumar | \o/ | 09:00 |
| tosky | o/ | 09:00 |
| martinkopec | o/ | 09:01 |
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| andreaf | o/ | 09:01 |
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| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_April_6th_2017_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:01 |
| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 09:02 |
| gmann | #topic Previous Meeting Action review | 09:02 |
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| gmann | saw 3 sessions andreaf proposed on forum | 09:02 |
| andreaf | I proposed three different sessions for the forum | 09:02 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea thanks | 09:03 |
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| gmann | andreaf: whats next on that, TC will select those ? | 09:03 |
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| gmann | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/111 http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/112 http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/113 | 09:04 |
| andreaf | gmann: yeah they're going to be reviewed - but how exactly I don't know tbh - I will check what the process is for sake of completion | 09:04 |
| andreaf | gmann: I'm pretty sure we don't get to vote though | 09:05 |
| gmann | heh, yea, let's wait for final selection. hope we get max :) | 09:05 |
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| gmann | #topic The Forum, Boston | 09:05 |
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| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-QA-onboarding | 09:06 |
| gmann | this is same, onboard sessions, put more ideas if anyone have | 09:06 |
| andreaf | yeah there is still some time for that but we should be prepared | 09:06 |
| andreaf | I guess everyone in the volunteer section below is going to be in Boston? | 09:07 |
| gmann | yea, and hope we have max strength as presence | 09:07 |
| * masayukig nods | 09:07 | |
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| gmann | hope so, i still need to get flight booking though | 09:07 |
| gmann | #link Gate Stability - status update | 09:08 |
| gmann | saw some pike on gate pipeline on neutron ssh one | 09:08 |
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| gmann | #link https://goo.gl/ptPgEw | 09:09 |
| gmann | #link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/ | 09:09 |
| gmann | failure seems negative tests on o-h | 09:10 |
| jordanP | there's one interesting patch being discussed atm on the ML | 09:10 |
| jordanP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451492/ | 09:10 |
| jordanP | would be great if you guys, especially andreaf, would have a look at it | 09:10 |
| gmann | jordanP: thanks | 09:11 |
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| jordanP | it's an important one, because it asks the question of "what distro/hybrid distro do we test" | 09:11 |
| andreaf | jordanP: yes I've seen the ML thread - I will definitely review the patch | 09:11 |
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| jordanP | our libvirt version is old, newer version might have fewer memory corruption issues | 09:12 |
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| jordanP | the patch is about testing newer version of libvirt in the Gate | 09:12 |
| gmann | let's see libvirt 2.5.0 have some good fix there | 09:12 |
| gmann | yea | 09:12 |
| andreaf | jordanP: possibly yes, the main idea is that we will get support from the libvirt community if we use a recent version :) | 09:12 |
| jordanP | in other words, stop testing Ubuntu LTS, but test TLS + UCA packages | 09:12 |
| jordanP | yes | 09:13 |
| andreaf | jordanP: yeah the idea with LTS was to avoid impossible backports | 09:13 |
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| andreaf | jordanP: but UCA packages have been already tested by canonical in that sense | 09:13 |
| gmann | will UCA packages be stable always? | 09:13 |
| andreaf | jordanP: so they should be a valid option | 09:13 |
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| jordanP | yeah, I agree we should use UCA | 09:13 |
| jordanP | i remember when I used to "manage" a cloud, we used UCA back in the days | 09:14 |
| prateek | i have seen nova doing something like minimum libvirt version required, maybe we can try doing that in tempest too | 09:14 |
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| jordanP | Tempest is kinda black box testing, we don't even require libvirt | 09:14 |
| gmann | prateek: on nova side it feature dependence etc | 09:14 |
| andreaf | prateek: I'm not sure there is a dependency to libvirt in Tempest? | 09:14 |
| gmann | yea, we should not make in tempsest | 09:15 |
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| prateek | andreaf, no there is not but i get the idea that we are having problems with a particular version of libvirt | 09:15 |
| prateek | so we can have a constructor which allows us to skip tempest tests on that particular rogue versions | 09:15 |
| andreaf | prateek yeah but tempest is there to detect those issues - it's not like we can say that there are specific tests that we can skip with wrong libvirt version | 09:16 |
| prateek | andreaf, ok | 09:16 |
| andreaf | prateek: failures are kind of random - at least we don't have a clear reproduce now and I doubt we can pinpoint any specific test in tempest | 09:17 |
| gmann | andreaf: jordanP anything more we need to do on tests separation ? or we monitor gate status with lot of approaches going in | 09:17 |
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| jordanP | tests separation ? | 09:17 |
| gmann | like separating scenario tests on separate jobs | 09:18 |
| prateek | adreaf, got it, thanks :) | 09:18 |
| jordanP | ah, I see, hum nothing that comes into my mind right now | 09:18 |
| jordanP | (as usual, please do take into consideration the overall runtime of our jobs when enabling new scenarios/adding new tests) | 09:19 |
| gmann | yea. | 09:19 |
| jordanP | (1h20min is already very long) | 09:19 |
| jordanP | one last patch that I'd like to see going through is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450207/ | 09:19 |
| jordanP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450207/ | 09:19 |
| gmann | i am sure we do lot of duplicate operation tests mainly on API tests | 09:19 |
| gmann | but that can be hard to fix due to lot of affort and mainly defcore | 09:20 |
| jordanP | that patch is about disabling some not-so-needed Swift services in the Gate | 09:20 |
| andreaf | thanks jordanP yeah that's a good one | 09:20 |
| jordanP | yeah, we do have a lot of duplication/duplicated tests, so before approving any new test, we should make sure that this is not already tested somehow | 09:20 |
| gmann | yea make sense | 09:20 |
| gmann | thanks andreaf jordanP sdague, clarkb mtreinish ands everyone making so much effort on gate stability | 09:22 |
| gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:22 |
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| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:22 |
| gmann | new one was #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449295/ | 09:22 |
| gmann | Upgrade testing toolset | 09:22 |
| gmann | castulo: sent mail also, i did not get chance to read yet | 09:23 |
| andreaf | yea I think that one deserves some more reviews | 09:23 |
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| gmann | yea | 09:24 |
| gmann | anything else on spec ? | 09:24 |
| gmann | #topic Tempest | 09:25 |
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| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 09:25 |
| gmann | ^^ current open reviews | 09:25 |
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| andreaf | I've submitted the goal ack for py35 | 09:26 |
| gmann | andreaf: jordanP can you re check this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419776/ | 09:26 |
| gmann | use case is in bug | 09:26 |
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| gmann | andreaf: thanks, so that is just for unit tests right. not as tempest on py35 | 09:27 |
| jordanP | I don't like that patch, too specific, but we can discuss it in #qa | 09:27 |
| gmann | sure | 09:27 |
| andreaf | gmann: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:qa_py35_ack - not even just adding py35 in setup.cfg | 09:28 |
| gmann | andreaf: and we have done for both goal, wsgi and py35 right? or any help you need on either side? | 09:28 |
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| andreaf | gmann: not really I just wanted to let you know | 09:28 |
| gmann | nice | 09:28 |
| masayukig | how about py36? next step? | 09:29 |
| gmann | masayukig: still not on tc side right but good to do that | 09:30 |
| andreaf | masayukig: heh I think we can do py36 if we have time, the goal for Pike in 3.5 and I think there may be more urgent things | 09:30 |
| masayukig | ok | 09:30 |
| masayukig | sure | 09:30 |
| gmann | on Bug Triage: | 09:31 |
| gmann | i had this week | 09:31 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 09:31 |
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| gmann | few new triaged and cleanup on old one. | 09:32 |
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| gmann | overall we have 4 new | 09:32 |
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| gmann | for many of the old bugs i saw patches but not reviewed actively so they are stuck in-progress | 09:33 |
| gmann | we should start reviewing the old patches, some of them are nice to fix | 09:33 |
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| gmann | next week we have chandankumar turn | 09:34 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-qa-bug-triage | 09:34 |
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| masayukig | gmann : yeah, but I think most of old patches are out of date, so rebasing is required. | 09:35 |
| gmann | masayukig: yea and author does not seems to active for many | 09:35 |
| chandankumar | gmann: how much old patches they are ? | 09:35 |
| gmann | masayukig: i pick some imp one and do myself | 09:35 |
| jordanP | if the patch is stuck 'in progress' for a long time, maybe it means that it's not really a bug or it's not that important to fix | 09:35 |
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| masayukig | gmann : sounds nice | 09:36 |
| gmann | chandankumar: well there are many, few cases with abandon patch and more with in-progress | 09:36 |
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| masayukig | jordanP: heh, maybe | 09:36 |
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| gmann | jordanP: humm may be but sometime people give up :) | 09:36 |
| jordanP | sure, they give up because it's not their priority, because of time etc. | 09:37 |
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| gmann | mainly i want to cleanup the in-progress bugs | 09:37 |
| jordanP | yeah | 09:37 |
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| masayukig[m] | ++ | 09:38 |
| gmann | either we abandon those patches and open bugs for new assignee or merge them | 09:38 |
| chandankumar | gmann: i will take a look at in-progess ones this time | 09:38 |
| gmann | chandankumar: thanks. please do ask author if they do not want to work so that anyone else can do | 09:38 |
| gmann | #topic Patrole | 09:38 |
| chandankumar | gmann: sure, | 09:39 |
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| gmann | any patrole guys here, sorry cannot find the irc name right now | 09:39 |
| gmann | ok, only thing i have on patrole is that still i do not know why admin needed on each tests | 09:41 |
| gmann | but i have to check framework more deeply | 09:41 |
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| gmann | #topic DevStack | 09:41 |
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| gmann | any more updates on devstack side apart jordanP pointed out about patches | 09:42 |
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| andreaf | I guess you have see the updates in the ML from sdague? | 09:42 |
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| andreaf | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-April/115039.html devstack systemd | 09:43 |
| gmann | yea that was nice actually | 09:43 |
| gmann | systemd | 09:43 |
| gmann | nice one #link https://dague.net/2017/03/30/in-praise-of-systemd/ | 09:44 |
| andreaf | #link https://dague.net/2017/03/30/in-praise-of-systemd/ nice one | 09:44 |
| gmann | yea | 09:45 |
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| gmann | i can get rid of moving myself over lot of screen | 09:46 |
| gmann | ok. anything else or we move next | 09:46 |
| gmann | #topic OpenStack-Health, Stackviz | 09:46 |
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| gmann | masayukig: ^^ | 09:46 |
| masayukig[m] | k | 09:47 |
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| andreaf | jordanP: did you look any further into getting more statsd data into stackviz? | 09:47 |
| masayukig[m] | stackviz, I updated one patch for dstat graph improvement | 09:47 |
| masayukig[m] | #link https://review.openstack.org/442253 | 09:48 |
| jordanP | andreaf, we have enough data, now we need to graph them | 09:48 |
| andreaf | jordanP: heh yeah that's what I meant | 09:48 |
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| jordanP | yeah, so, no I'havent tried | 09:48 |
| masayukig[m] | and regarding to openstack-health, | 09:49 |
| jordanP | I don't know Javascript and I am bad at any frontend stuff | 09:49 |
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| masayukig[m] | heh | 09:49 |
| gmann | we have masayukig :) | 09:49 |
| masayukig[m] | I'm bad, too | 09:49 |
| andreaf | masayukig[m] so is stackviz installed from source in the gate? if I do a patch in tempest with depends on will I be able to see the changes? | 09:49 |
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| masayukig[m] | andreaf: yeah, it sould be | 09:50 |
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| masayukig[m] | like this http://logs.openstack.org/28/384528/9/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ubuntu-xenial/920f2e7/logs/stackviz/#/stdin/timeline | 09:50 |
| masayukig[m] | a | 09:51 |
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| masayukig[m] | ah, sorry | 09:51 |
| masayukig[m] | I'm not sure that | 09:51 |
| masayukig[m] | but I think it's worth to try :) | 09:52 |
| gmann | i think we do from source but not 100% sure | 09:52 |
| jordanP | humm I don't see whhat/where is stackviz installed | 09:52 |
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| jordanP | sudo pip install -U $stackviz_path | 09:53 |
| masayukig[m] | it's only written in frontend javascript | 09:53 |
| andreaf | uhm pip install won't work | 09:53 |
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| andreaf | unless that's a file system path :) | 09:53 |
| masayukig[m] | jordanP: heh, I actually didn't use pip install | 09:53 |
| jordanP | yeah, it's a path | 09:53 |
| gmann | yea #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/tree/functions.sh#n584 | 09:54 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/454078/ testing stackviz | 09:54 |
| gmann | ok | 09:54 |
| gmann | 5 min left | 09:55 |
| masayukig[m] | so, regarding to openstack-health, mtreinish and I approved two openstack-health api server patches, but the api server has nothing to change. | 09:55 |
| masayukig[m] | does anyone know the mechanizm of that? | 09:55 |
| gmann | did not get you approved patches but did not reflect on api server side? | 09:56 |
| jordanP | don't you need to redeploy something ? | 09:56 |
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| masayukig[m] | jordanP: it's automatically | 09:56 |
| jordanP | automagic :) | 09:56 |
| andreaf | masayukig[m]: puppet should pick it up automagically - it's in continuous deploy afaik | 09:56 |
| masayukig[m] | andreaf: yeah, I read https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/openstack-health.html | 09:57 |
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| andreaf | masayukig[m]: so look into the puppet module and ping infra if for checking into logs maybe something is going wrong | 09:57 |
| andreaf | a dependency update or so | 09:57 |
| masayukig[m] | So, I'd like to see the logs | 09:57 |
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| andreaf | or it may need a nudge | 09:57 |
| gmann | EmilienM can help may be | 09:57 |
| andreaf | masayukig[m]: on subunit2sql I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334556 could use more reviews | 09:58 |
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| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334556 for subunit2sql please reviews :) | 09:58 |
| gmann | ok. lets move next | 09:58 |
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| gmann | #topic Destructive Testing | 09:58 |
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| masayukig[m] | andreaf: ah, yeah, | 09:58 |
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| gmann | did not see spec updated from samP | 09:59 |
| masayukig[m] | andreaf: I'll do it tomorrow :) | 09:59 |
| gmann | #topic Critical Reviews | 09:59 |
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| gmann | i have this one, did rebase many times - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438006/ | 09:59 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451769/ not so critical but it could use more opinions | 09:59 |
| gmann | sure | 09:59 |
| gmann | we are out of time, let's move to qa if more discussion needed | 10:00 |
| gmann | thanks everyone for joining | 10:00 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 6 10:00:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-04-06-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-04-06-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-04-06-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
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| EmilienM | gmann: hey, how can I help? | 11:30 |
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| gmann | EmilienM: masayukig was looking for openstack-health api server changes related help | 11:43 |
| gmann | may on qa channel he can ping you further if needed | 11:43 |
| EmilienM | gmann: i'm not super familiar with the api, but I think mtreinish is the best guy to ping | 11:45 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 6 14:00:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
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| mriedem | will give it a few minutes | 14:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| efried | o/ | 14:00 |
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| macsz | O/ | 14:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
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| jimbaker | o/ | 14:01 |
| raj_singh | o/ | 14:01 |
| mriedem | ok let's do it | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:02 | |
| mriedem | #link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #info p1 milestone is in 1 week (April 13) | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #info Blueprints: 64 targeted, 49 approved, 1 completed | 14:02 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #info Open spec reviews: 61 (down 48 from last week) | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | the spec review sprint cleaned up a bunch of old cruft from the open review backlog it looks like | 14:03 |
| mriedem | which is nice | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | any release questions? | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:03 | |
| mriedem | #help Our backlog of new untriaged bugs is high. Need help with triage of new bugs. | 14:03 |
| mriedem | we've got >80 untriaged bugs | 14:03 |
| bauzas | wow | 14:04 |
| mriedem | and it's all bauzas' fault | 14:04 |
| bauzas | blame me | 14:04 |
| mriedem | nothing listed as critical | 14:04 |
| mriedem | gate status is ok | 14:04 |
| mriedem | 3rd party ci status is ok | 14:04 |
| mriedem | anything for bugs? | 14:04 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:04 | |
| mriedem | #info Spec freeze is April 13 (1 week) | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | #link Pike Review Priorities etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:05 |
| mriedem | please keep ^ up to date | 14:05 |
| mriedem | #link Forum planning: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Boston2017 | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Nova-brainstorming Forum discussion planning for nova (add your name if you are going) | 14:05 |
| * edleafe needs to update for scheduler | 14:05 | |
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| mriedem | ^ is a bit stale at this point | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | #info Currently proposed forum topics: http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | i see that the forum sessions are already being reviewed and some are being rejected | 14:06 |
| mriedem | i expect a lot of that should shake out next week | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | #info More information on planning: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114703.html | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | any questions about the forum? | 14:06 |
| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | i'm working on getting some ocata regressions backported | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | we've got one more that needs to be merged on master and then backported, and then release | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | that is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453859/ and down | 14:07 |
| mriedem | ^ is an ocata regression | 14:07 |
| mriedem | once merged, i'll backport and release ocata | 14:07 |
| mriedem | bottom 2 have +2s | 14:08 |
| mriedem | top patch is trivial | 14:08 |
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| * bauzas on it | 14:08 | |
| mriedem | no news for stable/newton really | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | #info Planned EOL for Mitaka is April 10 | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | i haven't heard any communication from tonyb yet about mitaka eol | 14:08 |
| mriedem | but it's right around the corner | 14:08 |
| mriedem | questions about stable? | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: cells v2 | 14:09 |
| dansmith | we had a meeting this week, | 14:09 |
| dansmith | discussed the regressions mriedem was mentioning above | 14:09 |
| dansmith | I gave a little status on the cellsv2 test patch, and guilted mriedem into picking up the page on reviewing my series, which worked like a charm | 14:10 |
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| dansmith | melwitt says she's close to resubmitting the quotas patch | 14:10 |
| dansmith | and mriedem/dtp are getting rolling on the api-facing service id->uuid stuff | 14:10 |
| dansmith | so lots of good progress and momentum all around | 14:10 |
| dansmith | le fin | 14:10 |
| mriedem | yay | 14:10 |
| mriedem | edleafe: scheduler | 14:10 |
| edleafe | Reviewed os-traits status. Agreed to clean up the code by adding the autoimport code. | 14:10 |
| edleafe | Had a good long discussion about claims being made in placement, and just where they should be made, and how the workflow should proceed. Agreed not to use any special claim database or token or anything, and just have failed builds delete any allocations for the instance UUID | 14:10 |
| edleafe | One concern was that if the scheduler claims resources, what happens when the resource tracker does its periodic update of its view of resources. Will it wipe out the claimed resources? Made a note to investigate this. | 14:11 |
| edleafe | Had a strong back-and-forth about returning scheduler hints in the API. No agreement on this, except to continue the discussion on the spec. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440580/ | 14:11 |
| edleafe | Discussed the use-local-scheduler spec (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438936/). No agreement yet on that one | 14:11 |
| edleafe | jaypipes got Madonna songs going in everyone's head. | 14:11 |
| edleafe | EOM | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | ok i also left comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440580/ | 14:11 |
| mriedem | it sounds like sdague would hate it less if it was a subresource | 14:12 |
| mriedem | rather than in the full server repr | 14:12 |
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| sdague | yes, and I thought we'd agreed on that previously | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | i don't remember an agreement on it, but i don't disagree with it | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | in fact, i think i agree with it :) | 14:12 |
| macsz | http://45.55.105.55:8082/bugs-dashboard.html | 14:12 |
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| macsz | markus_z made this dashboard, might be helpful in bug triage | 14:13 |
| mriedem | macsz: premature linking? | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | macsz: let's get to that in open discussion | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | so in general i'm good with a subresource on the hints, and restricting the hints, and also making it more like how we're going to do flavors (comments on that in the spec), | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | 2 weeks ago we talked about a backlog spec for a high-level idea on moving entire groups of servers | 14:14 |
| mriedem | rather than exposing hints so an external system has to sort all of this garbage out, which is terrible u | 14:14 |
| mriedem | *ux | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | but i know if we block the small incremental thing for the big thing, neither will get done | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | and everyone will be sad | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | anywho, moving on | 14:15 |
| mriedem | tdurakov: are you around for live migration? | 14:15 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I think I basically agree with your point about subresource and restricting hints | 14:15 |
| raj_singh | no LM meeting this week | 14:15 |
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| bauzas | (FWIW) | 14:15 |
| mriedem | there were two LM specs to review | 14:15 |
| mriedem | one was the per-instance timeout, that spec is approved | 14:15 |
| mriedem | the other is: | 14:15 |
| mriedem | Live migration completion timeout(config part): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438467/ | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | that's got a +2, just needs another reviewer | 14:16 |
| mriedem | or 5 | 14:16 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: are you around for the api meeting? | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | *api subteam | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | guess not, we mostly talked about policy specs | 14:17 |
| mriedem | specifically johnthetubaguy remove scope spec | 14:17 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/433037/ | 14:17 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | we talked some about my spec to remove bdm.device_name from server create and volume attach POST requests, which i've since abandoned | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | and finally we talked some about a path forward to deprecate os-virtual-interface and replace with os-interface, and eventually get bdm/vif tags out of the rest api | 14:18 |
| mriedem | which i need to write a spec for, but i'm all spec'ed out | 14:18 |
| macsz | mriedem: my bouncer died for 5 minutes, couldnt see anything so i may be out of sync | 14:18 |
| sfinucan | ^ me too :/ | 14:18 |
| mriedem | macsz: we'll talk about the bugs dashboard in open discussion | 14:18 |
| mriedem | gibi: notification highlights? | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | i think we're missing the gibster | 14:19 |
| mriedem | we talked a bit about bdms in payload notifications for searchlight | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | and agreed to make that config driven for now, since it will eventually be config driven for searchlight anyway | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | disabled by default so we don't make unnecessary db calls from computes | 14:20 |
| mriedem | powervm - efried? | 14:20 |
| efried | PowerVM driver blueprint impl progress has stagnated. Broader team, please review https://review.openstack.org/438119 | 14:20 |
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| efried | In other news, *something* changed underneath us a couple of weeks ago which made the PowerVM code hang while pulling a glance image to an instance's boot disk. Something to do with eventlets? A thread blocks open()ing a FIFO - and hangs the entire compute process. We've worked around it, but if anyone knows more about the root cause of this, please hit me and thorst up after the meeting. | 14:20 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:21 |
| efried | In conclusion: Broader team, please review https://review.openstack.org/438119 | 14:21 |
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| mriedem | cinder/nova updates | 14:21 |
| mriedem | i wasn't in last week's meeting, but lyarwood's vol detach refactor patch is merged | 14:22 |
| mriedem | Review focus is on the new detach flow: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438750/ | 14:22 |
| mriedem | ^ is all noop right now, by design | 14:22 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | there was nothing in the agenda | 14:22 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | macsz: did you want to mention something about bugs? | 14:23 |
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| sfinucan | I have something - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450211/ | 14:23 |
| macsz | wanted to point out that there is the dashboard that markus_z created : http://45.55.105.55:8082/bugs-dashboard.html | 14:23 |
| macsz | helps with bug triage | 14:23 |
| mriedem | macsz: we also talked about doing a bug spring clean | 14:23 |
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| macsz | and the queue of those | 14:23 |
| mriedem | after p1 | 14:23 |
| macsz | is getting looong | 14:23 |
| macsz | and yes | 14:23 |
| mriedem | by accident i attended the bug team meeting this week | 14:24 |
| mriedem | the team of 1 | 14:24 |
| macsz | you made a crowd, sir | 14:24 |
| mriedem | and was reminded that in newton, around this time last year, we did a spring clean of launchpad | 14:24 |
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| mriedem | not fixing bugs, | 14:24 |
| mriedem | but just going through cruft in launchpad | 14:24 |
| mriedem | i think i'll propose that again, to be done in a couple of weeks | 14:24 |
| mriedem | more info in the ML, when it happens | 14:24 |
| mriedem | sfinucan: ok what's up | 14:25 |
| sfinucan | So I was hoping Jens would be here | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | fickler? | 14:25 |
| mriedem | frickler: | 14:25 |
| mriedem | ^ | 14:26 |
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| sfinucan | but long story short, seems I exposed some flaws in how the metadata service exposes network info | 14:26 |
| mriedem | this looks much like what dtp has a bp for | 14:26 |
| sfinucan | ...with a recent change | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | it reminded me about the lack of docs we have around the metadata and config drive "API" | 14:26 |
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| sfinucan | ah, so yeah - I was hoping for some context | 14:26 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: yes, very much | 14:26 |
| mriedem | i had the same concern in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400883/ | 14:27 |
| sfinucan | he's talking about "making a new metadata version" in that review. Curious to know (a) what that means and (b) if it's necessary | 14:27 |
| sfinucan | ...and therefore if it should block that fix | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | the URLs get versioned a bit, one per release | 14:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but its not really very clear | 14:28 |
| mriedem | we don't bump the version in the meta service if there are no changes | 14:28 |
| artom | Presumably https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/metadata/base.py#L50-L59 | 14:28 |
| artom | For the versions | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: +1 true | 14:28 |
| mriedem | artom: no those are the aws versions | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | ec2 | 14:28 |
| mriedem | artom: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/metadata/base.py#L76 | 14:28 |
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| artom | mriedem, doh, right | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | sfinucan: so i'm sure we do a crap job of verifying or testing this, | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | but if for example we add new things to the metadata payload, or change the response in one of the existing keys, then yeah it would be a version bump | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was wondering how hard it would be to do something like we have with the samples tests for the API | 14:29 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: we really probably should have something like that | 14:30 |
| mriedem | with a fixture or something | 14:30 |
| sfinucan | mriedem: Right, and do we need to provide the ability to get the older version a la microversions? | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I just feel I am flying blind in there, which is a worry | 14:30 |
| mriedem | because if you change the format of network_data.json it would be hard to tell | 14:30 |
| mriedem | sfinucan: i think we do | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | sfinucan: we hand out all versions today, its in the URL or directory I think | 14:30 |
| artom | johnthetubaguy, it's been bouncing around in the back of my head to overhaul metadata api, with proper versionning like the API microversions | 14:30 |
| artom | johnthetubaguy, yeah, I think that's correct | 14:30 |
| artom | "version" is in the URL as a directory | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | artom: its not that simple, because of config drive, but better testing would help a tun | 14:31 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: we hand out all versions for config drive i think | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, exactly that | 14:31 |
| mriedem | but you can request a specific version via the metadata api | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, in the URL or directory path, I believe | 14:31 |
| mriedem | ok, anyway, sfinucan does that answer your question? | 14:32 |
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| sfinucan | Sort of . We can revisit on openstack-nova later | 14:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | interesting project for someone there, getting the testing sorted | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | i believe we now have a fixture for running actual requests against the metadata api | 14:33 |
| artom | johnthetubaguy, I probably have the bandwidth for that this cycle | 14:33 |
| mriedem | sdague and mikal wrote that for the vendordata v2 stuff | 14:33 |
| artom | Unless you have someone else in mind | 14:33 |
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| sfinucan | mriedem: Link? | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | so in functional tests we could write some tests to hit each version and assert what we get back | 14:34 |
| mriedem | sfinucan: i can dig it up later | 14:34 |
| sfinucan | artom I can help with that too | 14:34 |
| sfinucan | mriedem: cool cool | 14:34 |
| mriedem | we'd have to stub out the backend data/content of course | 14:34 |
| mriedem | but it could test the actual route path logic | 14:34 |
| mriedem | ok anything else? | 14:34 |
| mriedem | sounds like no, ok, thanks everyone | 14:35 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 6 14:35:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-04-06-14.00.html | 14:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-04-06-14.00.txt | 14:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-04-06-14.00.log.html | 14:35 |
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| kevinbenton | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 6 22:02:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:02 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | amotoki, ihrachys, mlavalle: ping | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | hello! | 22:02 |
| amotoki | hi | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | armax can't join us, he's giving a talk at ONS right now about Neutron | 22:03 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 22:03 |
| amotoki | nice to hear that :) | 22:03 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, that's good | 22:03 |
| bzhao_ | o/ | 22:03 |
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| kevinbenton | so the results of the doodle of where to move the drivers meeting are in | 22:04 |
| mlavalle | good | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | and the result is that there is no good time we can agree on | 22:04 |
| ihrachys | yay! /s | 22:05 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: I'll make it simple. You tell the time and I'll accomodate to whatever you and the others decide | 22:05 |
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| kevinbenton | it basically comes down to Armando can't do early morning, and that's the only convenient intersection for Ihar and Akihiro | 22:05 |
| ihrachys | ok, I guess we will stick to what we have | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, i think that's the only option for now | 22:06 |
| ihrachys | I suspect a similar case is for the neutron meeting on Mondays? :-x | 22:06 |
| amotoki | I didn't mark 17UTC timeslot but I can get up late but even though we still have no intersection with armando timeslots :( | 22:06 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | Monday might be a little more flexible | 22:07 |
| ihrachys | ok I guess I will trim my Fridays to the point where I won't work :P | 22:07 |
| mlavalle | Monday works for me | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | we can chat about that in next monday team meeting | 22:07 |
| ihrachys | + | 22:08 |
| * haleyb reads-up on cloning experiments | 22:08 | |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: ihrachys was referring to the Neutron team meeting time change we attempted and failed :) | 22:08 |
| mlavalle | ah, ok | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | #info drivers team meeting staying at the same time for now | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | #topic RFE's | 22:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFE's (Meeting topic: neutron_drivers)" | 22:08 | |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:08 |
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| ihrachys | I admit I didn't have time for anything drivers related this week | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | that's okay | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | let's do easy ones :) | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | like SNAT?? :) | 22:10 |
| mlavalle | yeah that one | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | now that the dissenting opinion is gone, what do we think about? https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1671634 ;) | 22:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1671634 in neutron "[RFE] Allow to set MTU for networks" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 22:10 |
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| kevinbenton | we'll wait for armando to reply on that | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | let's skip SNAT as well because i need to see what Igor said on fast exit patch | 22:10 |
| ihrachys | I am puzzled on why it's controversial, but sure, we need armax | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | i think there is some confusion there because fast exit was different last time i looked | 22:11 |
| amotoki | are we discussing MTU or local SNAT? | 22:11 |
| mlavalle | I think neither | 22:12 |
| manjeets | lol | 22:12 |
| * manjeets thought its MTU | 22:12 | |
| ihrachys | yeah we wait for kevinbenton to post the next link | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | mtu will need armax | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1672852 | 22:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1672852 in neutron "[RFE] Make controllers with different list of supported API extensions to behave identically" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 22:12 |
| amotoki | agree | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | that's on me. I posted a spec here: https://review.openstack.org/451993 | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | I know that it may not go further but thought a detailed write-up will benefit discussion | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | ack | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | i do want to seriously consider the sticky sessions approach | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | I am still not sure it's a great idea, because it targets solving issues that are not immediately present in current code but suggests a path to evolve new features in the future | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | right, that's one solution that solves half of the problem | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | we need to think through the cases where that would break and clearly illustrate them before undertaking the big pile of work this will take | 22:14 |
| ihrachys | I actually agree | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: what's the other half of the problem? | 22:14 |
| ihrachys | there are also some limitations in the proposal | 22:14 |
| ihrachys | due to the fact that our api is liberal | 22:14 |
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| ihrachys | the other half is, what if a new resource representation is put into db and then should be parsed by unaware old server | 22:15 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: i'm not sure i understand, isn't that what the point of expand-only scripts is? | 22:15 |
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| ihrachys | the proposal targets blocking that case on api level, so that you can't get a new expanded resource in db before all servers are upgraded | 22:16 |
| amotoki | we are now using extensions to indicate a new feature and minor versioning. for features the idea would work, but for minor versioning (aka shim extension) I am not sure it works. | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, the point of expand scripts is that you can execute them while neutron-server is running; not that plugin code will necessarily behave correctly. | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: well if it breaks old server i'd say it's not really an expand script | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | amotoki, not sure which versioning we talk about | 22:17 |
| kevinbenton | let's take time to review the spec and comment there | 22:17 |
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| amotoki | ihrachys: what I mean is we have shim extension (or light extension) for minor behavior changes. | 22:17 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, well it's one thing that a column added (but not filled) doesn't break a server; it's another thing that server can make sense of the column filled in with data | 22:17 |
| ihrachys | + for more time to bake/think/review spec... | 22:17 |
| amotoki | for such changes, I am not sure we can ensure a plugin works correctly if we disable some a new extension | 22:18 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: well the old server would ignore it | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | amotoki, we should not have cases where we modify behaviour of existing attributes | 22:18 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:19 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, server may be scheduled to act on the resource that is represented with new data in db; it may choke on it. (that's hypothetical) | 22:19 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: agree. if we find exception we need to fix it | 22:19 |
| ihrachys | ok, I guess we agree to follow up in lp and gerrit | 22:19 |
| mlavalle | so, comment on the spec | 22:20 |
| amotoki | +1 for spec | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: right, it sounds like that violates the point of hte expand script. maybe we aren't as strict as i thought. would be good to have some sample scenarios you envision in the spec that would break | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | ok, next | 22:20 |
| amotoki | as high level, there is no reason to block this | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1674349 | 22:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1674349 in neutron "[RFE] Introduce a new rule with service user role in Neutron policy" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Akihiro Motoki (amotoki) | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | amotoki, complexity | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | re the service user bug, we actually started work I believe | 22:21 |
| amotoki | I think this one is super simple. we already consume more attributes from keystone. | 22:22 |
| amotoki | yes we started it. I think this can be handles as a normal bug | 22:22 |
| ihrachys | it seems like a no brainer | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | yes | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | approve | 22:22 |
| mlavalle | yes, approve | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | this will be nice | 22:22 |
| ihrachys | yeah we talk about it for a while | 22:23 |
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| kevinbenton | having nova doing network things for the user with admin privileges has always made me nervous | 22:23 |
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| amotoki | yes. service token is a nice feature | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confused_deputy_problem | 22:23 |
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| ihrachys | afaik it's also related to timeout issues they had for long operations | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: can you switch to approved state? | 22:23 |
| ihrachys | sure | 22:24 |
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| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1667329 | 22:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667329 in neutron "[RFE] Floating IP Subnets on Routed Provider Networks" [Undecided,Triaged] | 22:24 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: how familiar are you with the plans for this? | 22:25 |
| mlavalle | somehow familiar | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | if i understand the proposal correctly, it will be a very limited change on neutron side | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | it is the completion of the of the routed networks spec | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | we discussed it this morning during the L3 team meeting | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | On the Neutron side is not that big | 22:27 |
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| amotoki | It also needs a change on dynamic-routing-side. this looks a main part. | 22:28 |
| mlavalle | that is correct | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | oka | 22:28 |
| kevinbenton | so is john going to work on this then? | 22:28 |
| mlavalle | yes and I plan to pitch in | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | He actually proposed this morning to start working on is as WIP while the RFE is approved | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | sounds good | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | i'm okay approving this one | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | i don't see it conflicting with other ongoing work in neutron | 22:30 |
| mlavalle | yeah, me neither | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys, amotoki: any issues approving this one? | 22:30 |
| amotoki | I am fine with approving it | 22:30 |
| ihrachys | I am ok, though I don't grasp l3 things, so you can also ignore me :) | 22:31 |
| amotoki | the next step is a spec? | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | we don't want to ignore you, ihrachys :-) | 22:31 |
| ihrachys | I think also a blueprint (though I am not sure why we do it) | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: blueprint makes visibility in launchpad easier | 22:32 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, well if you target to pike-1 it will show in the target... | 22:32 |
| ihrachys | so not sure how it helps | 22:32 |
| ihrachys | ofc except requiring to set approver and author... | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: as a bug though | 22:33 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: separating features from bugs is somewhat useful | 22:33 |
| ihrachys | well if only that, sure | 22:33 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: yeah, i'm not sure if there is another advantage | 22:33 |
| ihrachys | so tl;dr there is some legwork to set all things correctly, the RFE process in devref has details | 22:33 |
| ihrachys | someone should just commit now to do the work | 22:34 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:35 |
| kevinbenton | there is one more i would like to discuss that has a thorny backward compatibility issue | 22:35 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1669630 | 22:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1669630 in neutron "Network RBAC acceptance workflow" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:35 |
| ihrachys | oh I remember that one. we can always introduce new types of rbacs that will need approval ;) | 22:36 |
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| ihrachys | I don't think controlling behaviour with config option is a great idea | 22:36 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: oh, i didn't think about that | 22:36 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: a new type might not be bad | 22:36 |
| ihrachys | since it is a step from cross-cloud compatibility | 22:36 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: then operators could block access_as_shared with policy.json | 22:37 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, like approve:access_as_shared or smth | 22:37 |
| ihrachys | maybe even make it a pattern for all rules | 22:37 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, we want to make sure it's a general solution | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | or make it a new attribute on existing rbac rule that suggests if approval is needed. | 22:38 |
| kevinbenton | i suppose policy.json is sort of like having it config driven though | 22:39 |
| ihrachys | yeah. I don't think we should ask users to make it. just add approval as an auxiliary parameter of rbac | 22:39 |
| ihrachys | then we can make our CLI clients use it by default | 22:39 |
| ihrachys | or smth | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | well then we still have the issue where we are technically breaking the API by changing behavior | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | since a user using the API will now require the other user to accept the shared thing before using it | 22:40 |
| amotoki | IIRC I think some other project (glance?) has similar mechansim. In the impl, even though they do not approve a network share request, they can use it. | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, but default behaviour will be as it is now? | 22:42 |
| ihrachys | not sure I see where compat issue here is | 22:42 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: so are you suggesting that we continue to allow users to share without requiring approval? | 22:42 |
| ihrachys | the original compat issue was that we will change behaviour for rbacs that are created by scripts written pre-fix | 22:42 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, ah well, yeah, I forgot about the use case! | 22:43 |
| ihrachys | :) | 22:43 |
| amotoki | I understand the challenging point is what should be the default. It is a big change for users who some resources are exposed to. | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | amotoki: right | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | we can always migrate everything now to the already approved state | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | the issue is API behavior change going forward of not being approved by default | 22:43 |
| amotoki | yeah | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | yeah, we change the bahavior | 22:44 |
| ihrachys | ok, I guess a new resource would be the easiest, and we would keep both for some transition time | 22:44 |
| ihrachys | then just drop it from our code (but not api-ref) | 22:44 |
| ihrachys | it == old impl | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: so basically a whole new API endpoint? | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: and they ultimately do the same thing, but one auto-approves and one doesn't? | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | that could work | 22:45 |
| amotoki | another idea is to allow a user to deny resource sharing.... a resource shared is visible to users but the user can deny the share. | 22:45 |
| amotoki | it is a bit different from the original RFE though.. | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | but that requires user to opt-in to a safety feature | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | which i would like to avoid if we can | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | and if operators automate that as part of tenant onboarding, then we basically have the same problem of a user not knowing if they need to accept or not | 22:47 |
| amotoki | it is just a brainstorming. of course I think opt-in model looks natural for many users in this case | 22:48 |
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| kevinbenton | ok, provide thoughs on the RFE | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | and we can discuss again next week | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | i'm actually leaning towards the new API option as of now | 22:49 |
| mlavalle | I am also leaning in that direction | 22:50 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | that's the last of the RFE's | 22:51 |
| amotoki | that sounds a good possible direction. I am wondering how glance handles it and need to check it | 22:51 |
| trevormc | hi all, sorry to interrupt. I added an rfe the week of the 02/09 drivers meeting bug 1662650. I believe my bug has been acknowledged but it's status has not been moved to confirmed yet, so I think it fell through the cracks some how? | 22:51 |
| openstack | bug 1662650 in neutron "[RFE] Advance configuration of SR-IOV ports- api extension" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1662650 - Assigned to Trevor McCasland (twm2016) | 22:51 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: yeah, maybe part of the homework is to find that out | 22:51 |
| ihrachys | I posted a comment with new api suggested | 22:51 |
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| kevinbenton | trevormc: ah, hasn't been triaged yet | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | we can look now | 22:52 |
| trevormc | thank you! It's rough but I do have a vf_policy object in review to give an idea. | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | trevormc: many of these sound like they should be derived from existing APIs | 22:53 |
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| kevinbenton | like allowing/dropping broadcast | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | or antispoofing | 22:54 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, you mean secgroups? | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | i think those should be higher level properties of neutron network or port security | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: right | 22:54 |
| trevormc | I believe port_security already covers the antispoofing | 22:54 |
| ihrachys | right. sriov may have its implementation of firewall_driver instead of using noop as they do now | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | i don't think we want to expose these directly as properties if they sort of overlap with existing abstractions | 22:54 |
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| kevinbenton | VLAN_STRIP sounds like vlan_transparency | 22:55 |
| amotoki | INSERT_TAG sounds a normal operation as OVS does. | 22:56 |
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| trevormc | yeah but I thought at the PTG we discussed that vlan transparency only applied to tags in one direction and not both | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | trevormc: vlan transparency just allows tagged traffic to pass in and out of a port without being modified | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | trevormc: i think we need to discuss these basically one-by-one in the RFE | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | trevormc: i'll leave comments and we can talk about it next drivers meeting | 22:58 |
| mlavalle | yeah, matching with current Neutron capabilities | 22:58 |
| ihrachys | I am not sure what INSERT_TAG is, you may want to elaborate there on it | 22:58 |
| amotoki | I totally agree with kevin | 22:58 |
| trevormc | yeah I think that will be better, thanks. I'll have to talk to the guys who are driving this through me :) | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:58 |
| ihrachys | + | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | thanks everyone | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | same time next week! :) | 22:59 |
| mlavalle | see you next week! | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 6 22:59:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-04-06-22.02.html | 22:59 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-04-06-22.02.txt | 22:59 |
| manjeets | thanks | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-04-06-22.02.log.html | 22:59 |
| amotoki | I see a lot of RFE bugs with In Progress status https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.tag=rfe | 22:59 |
| amotoki | it seems better to check them and reset the status if necessary | 23:00 |
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| amotoki | thanks | 23:00 |
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