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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 7 03:00:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-03-07_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:01 |
| shubhams | Shubham | 03:01 |
| lakerzhou | lakerzhou | 03:01 |
| kevinz | kevinz | 03:01 |
| mkrai_ | Madhuri Kumari | 03:01 |
| pksingh | Hello All | 03:01 |
| yatinkarel | Yatin Karel | 03:01 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining the meting Namrata shubhams lakerzhou kevinz mkrai_ pksingh yatinkarel | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
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| hongbin | 1. Propose to switch to cycle-with-intermediary release model starting from Pike | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441524/ | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | this proposal means zun will aglin with openstack release sschedule starting from pike | 03:02 |
| pksingh | cool :) | 03:02 |
| hongbin | zun will make a release at the end of pike in particular | 03:02 |
| mkrai_ | That's great! | 03:02 |
| hongbin | :) | 03:03 |
| kevinz | Great:-) | 03:03 |
| hongbin | any comment about this announcement? | 03:03 |
| shubhams | Do we need to create release docs then? | 03:03 |
| pksingh | when will be our firts release, any date? | 03:03 |
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| tonyb | pksingh: when you're ready | 03:04 |
| hongbin | shubhams: it is good to have but not mandatory | 03:04 |
| pksingh | :) | 03:04 |
| tonyb | cycle-with-intermediary doesn't dictae that | 03:04 |
| lakerzhou | Do we need formal installation guides, and other stuff which are common to all the other projects. | 03:04 |
| shubhams | hongbin: tonyb : ok | 03:04 |
| tonyb | shubhams: do you mean release notes? | 03:04 |
| hongbin | pksingh: i think it is good to have a first release right before the boston summit | 03:04 |
| shubhams | tonyb: yes | 03:04 |
| pksingh | hongbin: i think the same | 03:04 |
| hongbin | pksingh: then have the final release at the end of pike | 03:05 |
| tonyb | shubhams: they get added with the change so you're always createing them | 03:05 |
| shubhams | tonyb: ok. | 03:05 |
| pksingh | hmm | 03:05 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: again, it is good to have, but not mandatory (if i understand correctly) | 03:05 |
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| diga | o/ | 03:05 |
| tonyb | hongbin: Yup that's right | 03:05 |
| hongbin | tonyb: thanks for confirming | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | diga: hey | 03:06 |
| diga | hongbin: Hi | 03:06 |
| hongbin | ok, it seems all the questions were addressed | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:06 | |
| hongbin | 1. Wenzhi created a bp for migrate from 'id' to 'uuid' in the sql backend once the etcd backend is finishing migration (DONE) | 03:07 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/replace-id-with-uuid | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | this bp means we will graudatly be moving from id to uuid | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | any comment ? | 03:07 |
| hongbin | seems no | 03:08 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration (diga) | 03:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (diga) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:08 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/cinder-zun-integration The BP | 03:08 |
| hongbin | diga: ^^ | 03:08 |
| diga | Hi, I have uploaded PS yesterday | 03:09 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429943/ | 03:09 |
| diga | but will add next patch today, | 03:09 |
| diga | I forgot to add some files & there are some code fixes remaining in the PS | 03:09 |
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| mkrai_ | Is it ready for review diga ? | 03:10 |
| diga | I have also uploaded CLI volume PS for client | 03:10 |
| pksingh | diga: patch has some issues, would be better to make that in WIP | 03:10 |
| diga | mkrai_: I am uploading latest PS then you can review | 03:10 |
| mkrai_ | diga: Ok thanks | 03:10 |
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| diga | pksingh: I forgot to add latest PS so by mistake it pushed older changes from another folder | 03:11 |
| pksingh | diga: ok :) | 03:11 |
| diga | pksingh: I have ready PS, will push in sometime | 03:11 |
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| hongbin | diga: thanks for the huge effort of doing this patch | 03:12 |
| diga | but No test cases implemented yet, will cover test cases today/tomorrow | 03:12 |
| hongbin | diga: yes, just let us know when you are done | 03:12 |
| diga | hongbin: Thanks you | 03:13 |
| diga | hongbin: sure | 03:13 |
| hongbin | diga: i think it would be inefficient to give comments on this large patch, would you mind the reviewers directly update your patch for comments? | 03:13 |
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| hongbin | diga: it is your call | 03:14 |
| diga | hongbin: sure | 03:15 |
| diga | hongbin: No Problem | 03:15 |
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| hongbin | diga: ok, then just let us know once you uploaded all the change | 03:15 |
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| diga | hongbin: yep | 03:15 |
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| hongbin | diga: i will go though it once you are ready | 03:16 |
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| diga | hongbin: yeah | 03:16 |
| hongbin | thanks diga | 03:16 |
| diga | hongbin: welcome! | 03:16 |
| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:16 |
| hongbin | #topic Kuryr integration (hongbin) | 03:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kuryr integration (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:16 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/kuryr-integration The BP | 03:16 |
| hongbin | i was working on this bp last week | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | submitted several patches to kuryr, mainly for fixing bugs and enable the existing network and ipv6 feature | 03:17 |
| diga | okay | 03:18 |
| hongbin | i was playing with kuryr heavily last week, it seems we need to create an port in user's tenant, and pass the port to kuryr to bind | 03:18 |
| hongbin | basically, all resources creation needs to be handled out of kuryr to statisfy the multi-tenancy model | 03:18 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/kuryr-libnetwork+and+owner:%22Hongbin+Lu+%253Chongbin.lu%2540huawei.com%253E%22 | 03:19 |
| hongbin | fyi | 03:19 |
| hongbin | any question for this bp? | 03:19 |
| diga | hongbin: do you mean creating port in neutron then pass it to kuryr ? | 03:19 |
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| hongbin | diga: yes | 03:20 |
| diga | hongbin: okay | 03:20 |
| pksingh | hongbin: why do we need port? | 03:20 |
| hongbin | if we let kuryr to create the port, the port will belong to admin tenant | 03:20 |
| hongbin | assign floating ip to admin port will be impossible | 03:20 |
| diga | pksingh: may be this is required for VIF binding | 03:20 |
| hongbin | pksingh: every container needs to have a neutron port | 03:20 |
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| pksingh | hongbin: ok | 03:21 |
| hongbin | any other question? | 03:22 |
| mkrai | Zun will create this port itself? | 03:22 |
| hongbin | mkrai: yes | 03:22 |
| diga | it should | 03:22 |
| mkrai_ | Ok | 03:22 |
| hongbin | and we need to make sure the port is cleanup after the container is deleted | 03:22 |
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| hongbin | basically, more work for us | 03:22 |
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| diga | hmm | 03:22 |
| hongbin | more questions? | 03:23 |
| diga | hongbin: in this case, once we delete the container, then this care should be taken by us | 03:23 |
| hongbin | diga: yes | 03:24 |
| diga | hongbin: got it | 03:24 |
| hongbin | ok, seems no more question | 03:25 |
| hongbin | next topic | 03:25 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce host capabilities and cpusets (sudipto) | 03:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce host capabilities and cpusets (sudipto) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:25 | |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427007/ The spec | 03:25 |
| hongbin | sudipto: there? | 03:25 |
| sudipto_ | hongbin, hi yes. | 03:25 |
| hongbin | sudipto_: hey, thanks for joining | 03:25 |
| sudipto_ | I willsend out a review of the spec with Eli's comments incorporated. | 03:25 |
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| sudipto_ | Also i will be sending out the patchsets that hook up resource tracker with node init | 03:26 |
| sudipto_ | Then once that is done, we will have to make the necessary changes in the scheduler in zun client. | 03:26 |
| diga | sorry, I didn't get time to go through it, it will review it today | 03:26 |
| sudipto_ | I would say - don't review the spec as yet, i will make some changes to it. | 03:26 |
| sudipto_ | A good time to review would be post 12 hours from now :) | 03:26 |
| diga | :) ok | 03:27 |
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| sudipto_ | hongbin, things seem to progress, i just didn't have time last week, but i will resume this week. That's all i have. | 03:27 |
| diga | sudipto_: are we trying to use nova schedular capabilities here ? | 03:27 |
| sudipto_ | diga, no nova isn't involved. | 03:27 |
| hongbin | sudipto_: np for that, just let us know once you need workers :) | 03:27 |
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| sudipto_ | We would want to eventually move to the placement API - when it's ready. | 03:28 |
| sudipto_ | But for now, it's our own tables. | 03:28 |
| diga | sudipto_: ohh, you are introducing schedular in zun for resources ? | 03:28 |
| diga | sudipto_: okay | 03:29 |
| sudipto_ | there's already a scheduler in zun :) | 03:29 |
| sudipto_ | not introducing one. | 03:29 |
| hongbin | yes, there is a foo scheduler in zun | 03:29 |
| sudipto_ | enhancing it... | 03:29 |
| pksingh | foo scheduler :) | 03:29 |
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| diga | :) okay | 03:29 |
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| hongbin | sudipto_: ok, thanks for the update | 03:30 |
| hongbin | any other comment on this bp? | 03:30 |
| diga | I am having less knowledge of zun :), my bad | 03:30 |
| diga | will dive into it to understand things | 03:30 |
| hongbin | diga: np for that | 03:31 |
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| diga | hongbin: :) | 03:31 |
| hongbin | ok, if no more comment, let's advance topic | 03:31 |
| hongbin | #topic Discussion of the image API | 03:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion of the image API (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:31 | |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-image-api the etherpad | 03:31 |
| hongbin | this is the topic tabled in the last meeting | 03:32 |
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| hongbin | i would leave some time for everyone to go though the etherpad | 03:32 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: i might have a different opinions with you about storing image in db or not | 03:33 |
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| hongbin | personally, i don't think storing each image in each host in zun db will be scalable | 03:34 |
| mkrai_ | hongbin: Sorry there is some issue with my IRC channe; | 03:34 |
| hongbin | i lean to the image api to be stateless | 03:34 |
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| hongbin | but that is my personal taste | 03:35 |
| mkrai_ | hongbin: which API are you talking about? | 03:35 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: image api | 03:35 |
| mkrai_ | No I mean which specific API | 03:35 |
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| hongbin | mkrai_: i think i commented on all of them | 03:35 |
| mkrai_ | hongbin: Ok I am reading it | 03:35 |
| hongbin | all, comments on this? | 03:36 |
| shubhams | hongbin: so you mean, we should not store db info on each host | 03:37 |
| hongbin | shubhams: i think yes | 03:37 |
| mkrai_ | hongbin: I think the image API can be made stateless but need to think more on the glance side also | 03:37 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: could you elaborate? | 03:38 |
| mkrai_ | Yes sure | 03:38 |
| shubhams | hongbin: I agree to that but at the same time, I think that pulling image on all nodes should not be preferred or default behaviour atleast | 03:38 |
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| pksingh | i have on question, why we are going user->zun->image-repo why not user->image-repo? | 03:38 |
| pksingh | atleast for get calls? | 03:39 |
| mkrai_ | For example, when using glance as image driver, the image-list should list only the container images not all images | 03:39 |
| shubhams | pksingh: sorry I didnt get your point | 03:39 |
| hongbin | shubhams: perhaps i agree with you for this comment | 03:39 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh: Because we are going the same way for containers also | 03:39 |
| hongbin | shubhams: somehow, the default is to pick a host and pull it | 03:39 |
| mkrai_ | shubhams: +1 | 03:40 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: containers and images are different, we are managing containers not images | 03:40 |
| hongbin | pksingh: i think user-> image-repo can be implemented in zunclient not server? | 03:40 |
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| mkrai_ | pksingh: Agree, but Zun should also provide a way to manage images used for their containers | 03:40 |
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| shubhams | hongbin: then if user specifies a host then image will be pulled on that host else it can be pulled on any random host ? | 03:41 |
| pksingh | hongbin: i think we dont need to implement at the client side, user has docker as well as glance cli, | 03:41 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: if in docker hub, zun image-list will list all the images in Docker Hub? | 03:41 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: i think no coe manages images, AMAIK | 03:41 |
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| hongbin | shubhams: yes and no, if specify a host, pull on that host, otherwise, pull on all hosts or a random host | 03:42 |
| mkrai_ | hongbin: only the images which container are running similar to `docker images` | 03:42 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: i see | 03:43 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: but docker images is list all the image in localhost | 03:43 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: i am not sure how to do that in multi-host senario... | 03:44 |
| hongbin | pksingh: ack | 03:44 |
| hongbin | pksingh: perhaps we should split the discussion into two, client side and server side | 03:44 |
| mkrai_ | hongbin: yes. That is where we need DB | 03:44 |
| shubhams | hongbin: perhaps in db, inside image table we have a column for "host" that can have value "hostname", "all",? | 03:44 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: shubhams yes, that can be done, but i would worry the scalabillity | 03:45 |
| hongbin | if there is hundreds/thousands of hosts, the db will be too large | 03:45 |
| hongbin | and all the information there is duplicated, it is just the same images in different host | 03:45 |
| hongbin | (not all, some are duplicated) | 03:46 |
| pksingh | in future if we have something like replication then will be inserting the same image for every node in db? | 03:46 |
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| mkrai_ | host can be a list | 03:46 |
| hongbin | pksingh: interesting idea | 03:46 |
| hongbin | mkrai_: yes, that can be a solution | 03:47 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh: the image API was implemented with regard to docker driver. I am not sure whether it can be scaled to COE at this time | 03:47 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: i think we are not just proxy to docker driver, atleast we have scheduler now and more intelligence | 03:48 |
| diga | hongbin: mkrai_ : may be we can introduce some filters in image-api which will filter the images to the host | 03:48 |
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| diga | to distribute images across the hosts | 03:49 |
| diga | just a thought | 03:49 |
| hongbin | if we follow the nova model, host is invisible to non-admin users | 03:49 |
| diga | hmm | 03:49 |
| hongbin | ok, it looks mkrai_ shubhams flavor for storing image in zun db | 03:50 |
| hongbin | pksingh: what is your view on this? | 03:50 |
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| pksingh | hongbin: i am not sure, but after every pull during container creation we will add the image in db? | 03:51 |
| mkrai_ | hongbin: We can take it like this, either we manage image API(for the we need DB) or drop it | 03:51 |
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| hongbin | mkrai_: yes, we need to decide on one over the other | 03:52 |
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| hongbin | mkrai_: shubhams : perhaps you two could write the draft of the proposal in the etherpad, then we will revisit it in the next meeting | 03:53 |
| shubhams | hongbin: sure | 03:53 |
| mkrai_ | hongbin: yes. Give me this week time to think over it and let's make a decision by next meeting | 03:53 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh: Please write your thoughts too | 03:53 |
| hongbin | shubhams: mkrai_ : ok | 03:53 |
| mkrai_ | cool | 03:53 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:54 |
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| yatinkarel | Hi All, One query: | 03:54 |
| yatinkarel | I started looking for magnum-zun integration and this lead me to k8s-integration(pointed out by hogbin) but after going through the Etherpad(https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-k8s-integration) and meeting discussions(pointed by shubhams) referenced in etherpad, | 03:54 |
| yatinkarel | Got some conflict between Zun's vision(After seeing zun wiki/Meeting Discusions) and multiple COE's support | 03:54 |
| pksingh | mkrai_: sure, may be we can sync up on some other channel | 03:54 |
| mkrai_ | pksingh: sure | 03:54 |
| yatinkarel | - Provide Unified API to container Technologies(docker,lxc-docker,rkt) | 03:54 |
| yatinkarel | - COE's implementation in zun itself.(Competition with oter COE's) | 03:54 |
| yatinkarel | - COE's support eventually.(May be an extension, seperate from Zun core api's) | 03:54 |
| hongbin | yatinkarel: i think we agreed to introduce COE support in before | 03:55 |
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| hongbin | yatinkarel: we just set it to a relatively low priority since we wanted to focus on docker first | 03:55 |
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| hongbin | yatinkarel: if anyone want to start the work of k8s/coe integration, i think the team will take it | 03:56 |
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| yatinkarel | hongbin, but as i can see Unified API's vision(Introducing COE's may get distraction), is this OK for zun | 03:56 |
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| hongbin | yatinkarel: as long as the COE was introduced as a zun driver, it will implement the zun api | 03:57 |
| yatinkarel | or start for other container systems(rkt, lxc-docker) | 03:57 |
| hongbin | we are currently focusing on docker as a starting point | 03:58 |
| yatinkarel | hongbin, Ok | 03:58 |
| hongbin | support of other container runtime might be in a low priority | 03:58 |
| yatinkarel | hongbin, Ok for now I would dig more into zun to get more idea | 03:58 |
| hongbin | yatinkarel: what is your point of view about zun's roadmap? | 03:59 |
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| hongbin | perhaps, we could take it offline | 03:59 |
| yatinkarel | yatinkarel, For me Unified would be the first(but this would lead to limited features(because we have to target common features)) | 03:59 |
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| yatinkarel | hongbin, Ok | 03:59 |
| hongbin | all, time is up | 03:59 |
| hongbin | all, thanks for joining the meeting | 03:59 |
| yatinkarel | Thanks hongbin | 04:00 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 7 04:00:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-03-07-03.00.html | 04:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-03-07-03.00.txt | 04:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-03-07-03.00.log.html | 04:00 |
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| samP | hi..o/ > masakari-team | 04:01 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:01 |
| rkmrHonjo | Hi | 04:01 |
| abhishek_k | o/ | 04:01 |
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| sagara | Hi | 04:01 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 7 04:01:39 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:01 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi all | 04:01 |
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| samP | Hi all | 04:01 |
| samP | let's start | 04:02 |
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| samP | #topic bugs | 04:02 |
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| samP | any bugs to discuss? | 04:02 |
| tpatil | # link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1663513 | 04:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1663513 in masakari "Masakari failed to rescue PAUSED instances" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dinesh Bhor (dinesh-bhor) | 04:02 |
| samP | tpatil: This was my action item from previous meeting. | 04:03 |
| tpatil | Need your feedback on the proposed solution | 04:03 |
| tpatil | samP: yes | 04:03 |
| samP | tpatil: sorry for the delay.. I will put my comments today | 04:04 |
| tpatil | samP: thanks | 04:04 |
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| samP | any other items? | 04:04 |
| sagara | no | 04:05 |
| samP | ok then, if any other items, pls bring them in AOB | 04:05 |
| samP | let's jump in to discussion for pike work items | 04:05 |
| samP | #topic Pike work items | 04:05 |
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| samP | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-pike-workitems | 04:06 |
| samP | we have long list of items.. :) | 04:06 |
| sagara | we need to decide Pike priorities | 04:07 |
| rkmrHonjo | sagara:+1 | 04:07 |
| samP | sagara: sure, and how we gonna do that, put your + on etherpad? | 04:07 |
| sagara | samP: I agree add + to each items | 04:08 |
| samP | well, lets take a look, | 04:08 |
| samP | 1. Return request Id to caller | 04:09 |
| samP | this is for add req-id to caller which is done in other projects.. | 04:09 |
| tpatil | masakariclient will be invoked from masakari-monitors, correct? | 04:10 |
| samP | yes | 04:10 |
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| tpatil | samP: Ok | 04:11 |
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| samP | I consider this is as a medium priority item, what do you think? | 04:12 |
| samP | means, nice to have | 04:12 |
| tpatil | samP: correct | 04:12 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP:I agree. | 04:12 |
| sagara | samP: I agree, too | 04:13 |
| samP | OK then let me mark as (M) for medium | 04:13 |
| samP | 2. Notifying API progress | 04:13 |
| tpatil | +1 | 04:13 |
| tpatil | as host failure is a long running task, we need this support | 04:14 |
| samP | I agree | 04:14 |
| samP | lets make it (H) | 04:14 |
| samP | 3. Force Stonith | 04:15 |
| tpatil | what is needed in masakari to support this feature? | 04:15 |
| samP | This feature is for, force down host when it cannot rescue | 04:15 |
| sagara | I think it is important to kill host of semi-failure state | 04:16 |
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| tpatil | you mean, when masakari fails to process instance notification, then it should kill compute host, correct? | 04:17 |
| samP | for an ex. some process are failing again and again, then we have to kill that host manually. With this feature, we can automate this | 04:17 |
| samP | or we can use this feature to make sure that failed host is down for sure, before we evacuate. This is important when you do not use pacemaker | 04:18 |
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| samP | tpatil: did not get what you said | 04:19 |
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| tpatil | who will initiate force down host notification? | 04:20 |
| tpatil | masakari-engine itself? | 04:20 |
| samP | tpatil: masakari-engine | 04:21 |
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| tpatil | using what information masakari-engine can shutdown compute host forcefully? | 04:22 |
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| tpatil | IPMI? | 04:22 |
| samP | tpatil: currently we dont have required info to do this. but we can use IPMI | 04:23 |
| samP | However, I think this feature is related to recovery method customization | 04:24 |
| tpatil | samP: correct, masakari-engine is not aware of IPMI info as of now | 04:24 |
| tpatil | Who will write this spec? | 04:24 |
| samP | I can write the spec for this. | 04:24 |
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| tpatil | samP: Ok | 04:25 |
| samP | I am thinks priority for this as (M), because I think recovery method customization should come first | 04:26 |
| sagara | I would like to up this items priority to (H) | 04:27 |
| samP | sagara: sure | 04:27 |
| samP | marked as (H) | 04:27 |
| sagara | In HA, IPMI is used generally. Host could not accept any request like ssh in error state. so we need a way/tool to force power down. | 04:27 |
| sagara | samP: thanks | 04:28 |
| samP | sagara: sure. agree | 04:28 |
| samP | lets move on | 04:28 |
| samP | 4. Recovery method customization | 04:28 |
| sagara | (H) | 04:28 |
| samP | we are discussing about this from last cycle.. | 04:29 |
| rkmrHonjo | +1 | 04:29 |
| samP | I think we are aware of what it is.. | 04:29 |
| samP | shall we make it (H)? | 04:29 |
| sagara | samP: agree | 04:30 |
| tpatil | As of now, recovery action are implemented using taskflow | 04:30 |
| tpatil | to make recovery actions configurable similar to mistral, it's going to be a huge task | 04:30 |
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| samP | tpatil: agree. we need to discuss how far we wants to make this configurable. Depend on the depth it might be not that huge | 04:31 |
| tpatil | customization can be done using config options quite easily | 04:31 |
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| samP | tpatil: agree, that is one way to do it. | 04:32 |
| tpatil | samP: ok, let's make this item as high priority | 04:33 |
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| samP | tpatil: thanks. lets discuss the details later | 04:33 |
| samP | 5. Masakari Act/Act | 04:33 |
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| samP | beside tooz, that else do we have to do to make this happen? | 04:34 |
| tpatil | need act/act support for masakari-engine only, correct? | 04:34 |
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| samP | tpatil: yes, for api, we can use the same queue for act/act | 04:35 |
| sagara | I think masakari-api isn't need to do additional work for act/act | 04:35 |
| samP | sagara: think same | 04:36 |
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| samP | what would it be? for me its (M) than (H) | 04:37 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: I +1 to (M) | 04:38 |
| tpatil | samP: +1 for M | 04:38 |
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| samP | ok then, marked it as (M) | 04:38 |
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| samP | 6. Documentation | 04:39 |
| samP | IMHO, this is very important.. | 04:39 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | I think this should be H. | 04:39 |
| sagara | +1 | 04:39 |
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| rkmrHonjo | +1 | 04:39 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: agree | 04:39 |
| samP | OK then lets mark this as (H) | 04:39 |
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| samP | 7. Ironic Instance HA | 04:40 |
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| samP | I would like to mark this as (L), because spec and BP for this in ironic is under discussion. | 04:40 |
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| samP | I dont think we can make huge progress in masakari for this in Pike | 04:41 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok | 04:41 |
| rkmrHonjo | No objection. | 04:41 |
| samP | thanks, | 04:41 |
| samP | Next, | 04:41 |
| samP | 8. Use openstack resource agents for monitor compute nodes | 04:42 |
| samP | I will coordinate this with openstack-HA team, try to get some help from them | 04:42 |
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| tpatil | It's an alternative to masakari-monitors project, correct? | 04:43 |
| samP | from my point of view, this is (M) item. | 04:43 |
| samP | tpatil: correct | 04:43 |
| tpatil | Is anyone from the community willing to take up this job | 04:43 |
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| samP | tpatil: I have to discuss with aspiers about this. | 04:44 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok | 04:45 |
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| samP | tpatil: I think we can get some help for implement this for HA team | 04:45 |
| tpatil | samP: that will be great :) | 04:45 |
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| samP | tpatil: I will try. | 04:46 |
| samP | shall we mark this as (M) or (H)? | 04:46 |
| tpatil | +1 for M | 04:46 |
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| samP | ok then, please say otherwise later.. | 04:47 |
| samP | lets's go to next | 04:47 |
| samP | 9. istral Integration | 04:47 |
| samP | sorry | 04:47 |
| samP | 9. Mistral Integration | 04:47 |
| tpatil | It's nice to have thing, +1 for M | 04:47 |
| samP | ls | 04:48 |
| sagara | it's large feature, but it is not essentially, so I think it (M) | 04:48 |
| samP | OK then, marked it as (M) | 04:49 |
| samP | 10. Functional test | 04:49 |
| sagara | s/large feature/major feature/ | 04:50 |
| samP | we definitely need this.. | 04:50 |
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| sagara | Functional is (H) | 04:50 |
| tpatil | Are we talking about writing functional tests in Tempest or masakari project? | 04:51 |
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| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: In my understanding, this is not tempest. | 04:51 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: OK | 04:52 |
| samP | tpatil: its for masakari project.. | 04:52 |
| samP | right? | 04:52 |
| samP | in masakari | 04:52 |
| sagara | some of integration test in Masakari CI? | 04:52 |
| samP | sagara: currently we run same tests in masakari CI, but in future masakari CI is for destructive testing. | 04:53 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: I thought that this item(Functional Test) means the tests like nova/tests/functional. Is this incorrect? | 04:54 |
| samP | IMHO, these functional and unit testing will use openstack infra as other projects | 04:54 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: correct | 04:55 |
| tpatil | samP: where can I find the code for tests written for masakari CI job? | 04:55 |
| samP | tpatil: I will share them. currently rkmrHonjo is working on them | 04:56 |
| tpatil | samP: thanks | 04:56 |
| samP | #action samP share masakari CI test codes | 04:56 |
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| samP | we dont have much time left.. | 04:56 |
| sagara | so I would like to modify that 'Functional test' to 'destructive testing' | 04:57 |
| samP | ah.. | 04:57 |
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| samP | lets leave it there as functional testing, because we need them. | 04:57 |
| sagara | samP: ok | 04:58 |
| samP | shall we add a new item call 'destructive testing' | 04:58 |
| sagara | I will add it | 04:58 |
| sagara | thanks | 04:58 |
| samP | I add it | 04:58 |
| samP | OK, only 2 mins left | 04:59 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: Sorry, destructive test is equal to functional test? I think that these are not equal. | 04:59 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: no they are not equal | 04:59 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: thanks. | 04:59 |
| samP | for the rest of the list, please put your +1 for each topic | 04:59 |
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| samP | then we can discuss the prority for those in our next meeting or in ML | 05:00 |
| tpatil | samP: sounds good to me | 05:00 |
| samP | thank you all.. .let's end this meeting and move to opentack-masakari | 05:00 |
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| samP | #endmeeting | 05:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 7 05:01:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-03-07-04.01.html | 05:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-03-07-04.01.txt | 05:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-03-07-04.01.log.html | 05:01 |
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| sagara | thank you | 05:01 |
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| eranrom | #startmeeting storlets | 07:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 7 07:59:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eranrom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storlets)" | 07:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storlets' | 07:59 |
| eranrom | Hi | 07:59 |
| kota_ | hi | 08:00 |
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| eranrom | kota_: hey | 08:00 |
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| eranrom | akihito: Hi | 08:00 |
| akihito | Hi! | 08:00 |
| eranrom | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Storlets | 08:01 |
| eranrom | Our first topic is: | 08:01 |
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| eranrom | #topic Release status | 08:01 |
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| akihito | Ok. | 08:02 |
| * kota_ is looking at agenda | 08:02 | |
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| eranrom | sagara: Hi. agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Storlets | 08:03 |
| eranrom | we are at the first topic | 08:03 |
| kota_ | sagara: o/ | 08:03 |
| sagara | eranrom: Hi | 08:03 |
| eranrom | ok, so release status update: | 08:03 |
| eranrom | There were several issues ranging from project templates to openstack ci permissions | 08:04 |
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| eranrom | Hopefully all is resolved now, and the final patch for the release passes Jenkins, and awaits the release team to approve. | 08:04 |
| eranrom | Once this is done, we should have a PiPy package and should appear in the openstack releases. | 08:05 |
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| kota_ | eranrom: sounds great that we can look at the release there :-D | 08:05 |
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| kota_ | eranrom: btw, do we have to make release note from something... reno? | 08:06 |
| eranrom | The release is still independent. I still need to look at the right model for us (milestones or intermediary) | 08:06 |
| eranrom | kota_: I guess we are, but this would be part of doing more official releases. I still need to learn the process... | 08:07 |
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| eranrom | questions or next topic? | 08:08 |
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| akihito | I have no question. | 08:09 |
| sagara | I have no question, please next | 08:10 |
| eranrom | akihito: pls go ahead. | 08:10 |
| eranrom | akihito: sorry, read to fast :-) | 08:10 |
| eranrom | ok. | 08:10 |
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| eranrom | #topic Pike community goals | 08:10 |
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| kota_ | sorry, my network seems freaky connect/disconnect | 08:11 |
| eranrom | As I have mentioned in the wiki, since we are highly dependent on Swift which still has a lot of work towards py35, the best we can do is a unit test env | 08:12 |
| eranrom | kota_: np | 08:12 |
| eranrom | We used to have a py35 test evn set up by Kota, but I think it is broken now... | 08:12 |
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| eranrom | Once fixed we can add a gate job for it, and show progress | 08:12 |
| kota_ | eranrom: ah, really? what's broken? | 08:12 |
| eranrom | kota_: I was not able to run it. Could it be my env? | 08:13 |
| kota_ | ah | 08:13 |
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| kota_ | I'm surprised at we don't have py35 gate job :/ | 08:14 |
| eranrom | kota_: Any chance it is missing a "basepython = python3.5" in tox.ini? | 08:14 |
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| eranrom | Once I get it to work, I will add the gate. | 08:15 |
| eranrom | that is add to the gate | 08:15 |
| kota_ | eranrom: did it work? i mean basepython-ish | 08:15 |
| eranrom | kota_: did not try yet... | 08:16 |
| eranrom | kota_: are you running this? | 08:16 |
| kota_ | ok, I also will try it. Definately it's a first step to support py3 | 08:16 |
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| kota_ | creating the gate job | 08:16 |
| kota_ | i mean | 08:16 |
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| eranrom | kota_: sure. | 08:16 |
| eranrom | #topic Review prioritization | 08:18 |
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| eranrom | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storlets-review-priorities | 08:18 |
| eranrom | First, I suggest that you add your patches to the pad. | 08:19 |
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| eranrom | kota_: I would LOVE to land your test concurrency patch | 08:19 |
| akihito | sorry. I have WIP patch only.. | 08:20 |
| kota_ | eranrom: sounds good | 08:20 |
| eranrom | akihito: no problem. | 08:20 |
| kota_ | eranrom: but as you know, it depends on unique container patch | 08:20 |
| eranrom | kota_: right. But its also very close to completion - roght? | 08:21 |
| eranrom | s/roght/right | 08:21 |
| eranrom | I will be happy to land them both :-) | 08:22 |
| kota_ | lemme check | 08:22 |
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| kota_ | it seems like, I was missing to push my patch, I found the diff in my local | 08:25 |
| kota_ | let's push it | 08:25 |
| eranrom | kota_: ok cool. | 08:26 |
| kota_ | oh? | 08:26 |
| kota_ | the git review calls nothing changed... | 08:26 |
| kota_ | er, the new patch set already there, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437976/4 | 08:27 |
| kota_ | but the 2 concurrency patch just sitting on patch set 3 | 08:27 |
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| eranrom | kota_: I see. | 08:28 |
| kota_ | i think the patch set 4 is ready for reviews, which includes the unique container cleanup for you, eranrom | 08:28 |
| eranrom | kota_: great! I ,ust have missed that, sorry. Let me review. If all is well, should we land? | 08:28 |
| kota_ | eranrom: i hope :) | 08:28 |
| eranrom | kota_: ok great. | 08:29 |
| eranrom | kota_: btw - I have added PUT, COPY support to the ipython patch | 08:30 |
| eranrom | anything else on the reviews topic? | 08:30 |
| akihito | Can I raise the priority of 'Create base server listening on sbus' and 'Use argparse to parse command line options'? | 08:31 |
| kota_ | eranrom: will look at the pach | 08:31 |
| kota_ | patch | 08:31 |
| akihito | because my WIP patch depend on these patches. | 08:31 |
| eranrom | kota_: thanks | 08:32 |
| kota_ | akihito: is it ready for review? | 08:32 |
| akihito | yes! | 08:33 |
| akihito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/406620/ | 08:33 |
| akihito | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419027/ | 08:33 |
| eranrom | akihito: I have already +2 406620 | 08:33 |
| akihito | Thank you Eran! :-) | 08:34 |
| eranrom | akihito: will looked once at 419027, will review the updates. | 08:34 |
| kota_ | me too (will do) | 08:35 |
| kota_ | and set those into Priority: High | 08:35 |
| kota_ | in the etherpad | 08:35 |
| eranrom | akihito: I got confused... I have +2 027 in the past, will review the updates... | 08:35 |
| akihito | Thank you!! I confirm the etherpad. | 08:35 |
| eranrom | OK, anything else on reviews? | 08:37 |
| kota_ | akihito: is the difference from only rebased? for 027 eranrom reviewed | 08:37 |
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| akihito | I confirm. just moment please. | 08:38 |
| akihito | sorry.. At that time, this patch was in charge by Kasinami. | 08:40 |
| akihito | s/Kasinami/Takashi/ | 08:40 |
| eranrom | akihito: right. I think that Takashi made some changes since I have reviewed this. | 08:41 |
| kota_ | k, got it | 08:41 |
| kota_ | akihito: thx for confirmation | 08:41 |
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| akihito | Please review again one more time... | 08:42 |
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| eranrom | akihito: sure, will do. | 08:42 |
| eranrom | I think this covers all I had in mind. | 08:42 |
| akihito | eranrom: Thank you! | 08:42 |
| eranrom | Any other topics for today? | 08:42 |
| eranrom | akihito: welcome | 08:42 |
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| sagara | Now I'm thinking resource limiting feature for storlets. | 08:44 |
| akihito | I have no topic today. | 08:44 |
| eranrom | sagara: If you have anything to share (thoughts, design, anything) I will be more then happy to review / help. | 08:45 |
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| sagara | sorry, no document, there is just only note | 08:47 |
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| sagara | I think storlets resource limiting has two point of view. | 08:47 |
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| sagara | 1. account limiting | 08:47 |
| sagara | 2. remains host stable from the high load of storlets applications | 08:47 |
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| sagara | Item 1, it's similar like swift rate limiting. limit number of storlet request per second for account. | 08:48 |
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| sagara | #link: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/ratelimit.html | 08:48 |
| sagara | Item 2, now I'm thinking. I will limit CPU core, memory, Disk I/O which are used by container, | 08:48 |
| sagara | I think it is difficult that how to limit Disk I/O, | 08:49 |
| sagara | it seems to have two design. | 08:49 |
| sagara | 2-1, we use docker resource constraint | 08:49 |
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| sagara | #link: https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/run/#runtime-constraints-on-resources | 08:50 |
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| sagara | but docker constraint I/O feature are like '--device-write-bps', it is cap, so storlets application cannot use host resource effectively. | 08:50 |
| sagara | so I'm thinking another approach. | 08:51 |
| sagara | 2-2, we use priority, like nice, ionice command with docker run. | 08:51 |
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| eranrom | sagara: Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I guess I have one comment: | 08:53 |
| sagara | It's still on the way, so I need to address that requirement, problem, and design it. | 08:53 |
| eranrom | sagara: sure. | 08:53 |
| sagara | I glad to receive some comment. | 08:54 |
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| eranrom | the comment is that we have a container per account, hence any resources being limited in #2 (be it 2-1 or 2-2) this can be employed per account | 08:55 |
| eranrom | Also, I am not sure there is a fundamental difference between limiting IO and limiting memory and CPU where you also cap the amount that can be used by storlet apps | 08:57 |
| kota_ | perhaps, we could want to limit via application level | 08:57 |
| eranrom | kota_: you mean different storlet apps get different resources? | 08:57 |
| kota_ | to do that, perhaps, we could think of `ulimit`ing per storelt-daemon? | 08:57 |
| kota_ | eranrom: might be | 08:57 |
| eranrom | we need to finish here. Do you want to continue in #openstack-storlets? | 08:58 |
| kota_ | sure | 08:58 |
| eranrom | ok, so I am ending the meeting and switching to #openstack-storlets | 08:58 |
| sagara | ok, sorry. | 08:58 |
| eranrom | #endmeeting | 08:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 7 08:58:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2017/storlets.2017-03-07-07.59.html | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2017/storlets.2017-03-07-07.59.txt | 08:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2017/storlets.2017-03-07-07.59.log.html | 08:59 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 7 13:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
| Qiming | evening, morning | 13:00 |
| elynn | hi | 13:00 |
| XueFengLiu | hi,all | 13:00 |
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| Qiming | let's see who else is joining | 13:01 |
| Qiming | I know yanyan is on biz trip | 13:01 |
| Qiming | proposed meeting agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda#Weekly_Senlin_.28Clustering.29_meeting | 13:02 |
| XueFengLiu | oh, so happy | 13:02 |
| Qiming | pls feel free to add items | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | okay, maybe we can get started | 13:03 |
| Qiming | #topic pike workitems | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pike workitems (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:03 | |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-pike-workitems | 13:03 |
| Qiming | profile-only support | 13:04 |
| Qiming | the sdk side and client side patchs are merged | 13:04 |
| Qiming | however, we are still missing the api layer patch | 13:04 |
| Qiming | that is ... weird | 13:04 |
| XueFengLiu | need check | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | oh, request objects have been changed | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | just the history.rst needs a change and we need to bump microversion to 1.6 to enable this | 13:06 |
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| XueFengLiu | Yes , tow hongbing and guoshan cooperate to do this bp | 13:07 |
| Qiming | alright, changed the work item to reflect the reality | 13:08 |
| XueFengLiu | ok | 13:08 |
| Qiming | next item | 13:08 |
| Qiming | feature rich nova server | 13:08 |
| XueFengLiu | maybe we can notice them to add history | 13:08 |
| elynn_ | Saw your comments | 13:08 |
| elynn_ | Sorry I haven't got time to update it. | 13:09 |
| Qiming | last time we discussed working on nova server and vdu profile in parallel, maybe elynn_ still wants to fix vdu first | 13:09 |
| Qiming | i'm fine with that | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | just want to let you know, I'm starting to look at server adoption | 13:09 |
| elynn_ | Yes, I would like to let vdu stable first | 13:09 |
| elynn_ | Then back port to nova profile | 13:10 |
| Qiming | which means I'm gonna propose changes to nova server profile | 13:10 |
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| XueFengLiu | Qiming,greate | 13:10 |
| elynn_ | okay... | 13:10 |
| Qiming | so ... it may make your future back port a little difficult | 13:10 |
| elynn_ | When you do that, add me as reviewer | 13:10 |
| Qiming | hopefully I'm not changing a lot of existing code | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | pls keep working on the vdu profile | 13:11 |
| elynn_ | I will update them this week | 13:11 |
| Qiming | rumors said we have got the talk on this accepted | 13:11 |
| Qiming | it means ... at least we have a preview version for people to try out | 13:11 |
| elynn_ | Haven't got any emails about the results yet. | 13:11 |
| lxinhui | On my side, still test VDU with vims | 13:11 |
| Qiming | hi, xiao xin | 13:12 |
| lxinhui | some problems jum out | 13:12 |
| lxinhui | hi Qiming | 13:12 |
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| lxinhui | not sure if it is caused by template or wrong attributes | 13:12 |
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| lxinhui | the ims service can not serve normally as heat template did | 13:12 |
| lxinhui | will dig more to root cause the error | 13:12 |
| Qiming | great we are making progress on this, ... | 13:13 |
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| elynn_ | Maybe I should not swallow the jinja2 errors... | 13:13 |
| Qiming | right, that 'pass' is masking out a lot of error conditions | 13:14 |
| elynn_ | The design now is when encounter attributes error raised by jinja2 , it will silently pass and use the un-replaced user_data instead. | 13:14 |
| Qiming | em, that deserves a -1 | 13:14 |
| elynn_ | I did that because if someone just want to use {{}} in their user_data, then senile won't raise errors... | 13:16 |
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| elynn_ | I guest I worry too much... | 13:16 |
| Qiming | failing silently is not good anyway | 13:16 |
| elynn_ | Will modify that | 13:17 |
| Qiming | left a comment with a -1 as reminder, :) | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | 13:18 | |
| elynn_ | :) | 13:18 |
| Qiming | moving on | 13:18 |
| Qiming | engine improvement | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | cracking NODE_CHECK actions | 13:19 |
| XueFengLiu | yes, Qiming | 13:19 |
| XueFengLiu | not update | 13:19 |
| XueFengLiu | need review | 13:19 |
| Qiming | I'm thinking if we should make this a little bit self managed | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | for NODE_CHECK, CLUSTER_CHECK actions originated/derived from health manager | 13:20 |
| Qiming | we can label them as self destroyable | 13:21 |
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| Qiming | when we do action_mark_complete in database, the action delete itself | 13:21 |
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| XueFengLiu | OK | 13:21 |
| XueFengLiu | I thought this before | 13:22 |
| Qiming | for end users, actions not originated from client requests are strange | 13:22 |
| Qiming | i was even thinking of other alternatives instead of forking actions | 13:22 |
| Qiming | a little bit difficult ... | 13:22 |
| Qiming | next thing is about server adoption, and maybe stack adoption | 13:23 |
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| XueFengLiu | yes | 13:23 |
| Qiming | current thought is to add a node-adopt api | 13:23 |
| Qiming | implemented as a do_adopt() method in each profile type | 13:23 |
| Qiming | the method carries a 'confirm=False' parameter and a 'snapshot=False' parameter | 13:24 |
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| XueFengLiu | yes ,this is the base for adopt | 13:24 |
| Qiming | which means by default, do_adopt will extract relevant properties from an exising server, filling a new profile spec using the property values | 13:24 |
| Qiming | but ... since confirm is False, we don't create a new profile yet | 13:25 |
| Qiming | since snapshot=False, we don't create a server snapshot yet | 13:25 |
| XueFengLiu | Ok | 13:25 |
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| XueFengLiu | I got the idea | 13:25 |
| Qiming | from client side, user must explicit specify confirm=True | 13:26 |
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| Qiming | then a new node will be created, with a new profile created | 13:26 |
| Qiming | user can provide a dict to override the properties extracted from an existing server/stack | 13:26 |
| Qiming | with confirm=False, user will always get a chance to "preview" what kind of a new profile senlin will create for him/her | 13:27 |
| Qiming | a skeleton is ready, need some test cases to be added before submit for review | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | one thing I met is about networks | 13:28 |
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| XueFengLiu | OK | 13:28 |
| XueFengLiu | which problem | 13:28 |
| Qiming | from server properties extracted, it is really hard to determine whether the server should be created using network name, port id or fixed ip ... | 13:29 |
| Qiming | the input and the output are different for network properties | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | that could be something we really need user's intervention | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | another problem is that I haven't find an api to get the admin password for a nova server | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | although we can specify it when creating one | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | just an update on the current progress, pls let me know if you have suggestions, on #senlin channel | 13:30 |
| Qiming | moving on to next topic | 13:31 |
| Qiming | RDO shipment | 13:31 |
| XueFengLiu | Ok | 13:31 |
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| XueFengLiu | Add requirements in sepc and debug in centos 7 | 13:32 |
| XueFengLiu | Not difficult | 13:32 |
| Qiming | have you consulted RDO guys? | 13:32 |
| XueFengLiu | have not | 13:32 |
| XueFengLiu | Will ping them in #rdo | 13:33 |
| Qiming | okay, feel free to ask questions, there is not many cannibals on earth today | 13:33 |
| Qiming | thanks for driving this | 13:33 |
| XueFengLiu | Ok | 13:33 |
| XueFengLiu | My pleasure:) | 13:33 |
| Qiming | alright, meeup in Nanjing | 13:34 |
| Qiming | your input, XueFengLiu ? | 13:34 |
| XueFengLiu | Yes | 13:34 |
| Qiming | thanks for drafting the tutorial, I'll spend some time reading it | 13:34 |
| XueFengLiu | There is a meetup in NanJing 2017,3,18 | 13:34 |
| XueFengLiu | Ok | 13:35 |
| Qiming | please also check my paper, it is a more comprehensive introduction from developer's perspective | 13:35 |
| XueFengLiu | On the meetup the first topic is about senlin:) | 13:35 |
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| XueFengLiu | Will | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | I'll try my best to join you, but ... cannot promise a thing yet | 13:36 |
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| Qiming | I'm overcommitted ... | 13:36 |
| XueFengLiu | OK:) | 13:36 |
| Qiming | next topic | 13:37 |
| Qiming | health | 13:37 |
| Qiming | I'm not aware of progress in this thread | 13:37 |
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| XueFengLiu | If you can come, it will be more professional | 13:37 |
| Qiming | :D | 13:38 |
| Qiming | next is about senlinclient functional test | 13:38 |
| Qiming | I think the gate is ready, we can start adding test cases now | 13:38 |
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| XueFengLiu | That's good | 13:39 |
| XueFengLiu | We can distribute ti to team to help do this | 13:39 |
| XueFengLiu | s/ti/it | 13:39 |
| Qiming | sure | 13:39 |
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| Qiming | policy improvement | 13:39 |
| XueFengLiu | :) | 13:40 |
| Qiming | ruijie has been improving lb policy for CLUSTER_RECOVER action | 13:40 |
| XueFengLiu | yes, two patches for this | 13:40 |
| ruijie_ | yes, but still need improvement | 13:40 |
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| ruijie_ | for parsing action data | 13:41 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:41 |
| Qiming | so far... for actions, we are not fully utilizing its "outputs" property | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | we have been heavily using its 'inputs' and 'data' property for input parameters and policy decisions respectively | 13:42 |
| ruijie_ | It is used outer Senlin .. e.g. MQ message | 13:42 |
| Qiming | I cannot recall whether LB policy is alreadying using action.outputs | 13:42 |
| Qiming | we may want to make sure all actions record there results into 'outputs' | 13:43 |
| Qiming | though we don't have a strong use case for it yet | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | it's just an option, ruijie_, you can still use action.data for LB improvement | 13:43 |
| Qiming | it is not the only valid solution | 13:44 |
| ruijie_ | Qiming, you mean dump the data to action.data but not action.outputs? | 13:44 |
| Qiming | it depends | 13:44 |
| ruijie_ | I mean for the LB policy | 13:44 |
| Qiming | if the data you are dumping are more suitable to be treated as 'outputs', you can do it | 13:44 |
| XueFengLiu | What is the different about action.data and action.outputs | 13:45 |
| Qiming | then in LB policy you will check it | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | action.data is designed for internal use, policies use action.data to pass information from one to another | 13:45 |
| ruijie_ | Currently, we dump the data to outputs only if node_recover succeeded | 13:46 |
| Qiming | action.outputs is about the final result from an action's execution | 13:46 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:46 |
| Qiming | that is fine | 13:46 |
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| Qiming | I was not saying it has to be done this way or that way | 13:46 |
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| ruijie_ | yes Qiming | 13:47 |
| Qiming | okay, take your time on this, sir | 13:47 |
| ruijie_ | :) | 13:47 |
| Qiming | guess that's all about pike work items, | 13:47 |
| XueFengLiu | OK ,I see, if action finished, all policies also finished, then we can use "outputs" which is designed for final result | 13:48 |
| ruijie_ | not really Xuefeng | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | looking ahead ... we are about to prioritize things we want to get done duing Pike | 13:48 |
| ruijie_ | there is still an post_op be executed after the action | 13:48 |
| Qiming | I've checked the blueprints | 13:48 |
| Qiming | some are already approved, some need more clarifications | 13:49 |
| Qiming | #topic pike goals | 13:49 |
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| XueFengLiu | Yes, ruijie_ | 13:49 |
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| Qiming | my personal opinion on pike goals | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | container support, complete health support, usable VNF support | 13:50 |
| Qiming | others may include node adoption | 13:51 |
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| Qiming | which has already started | 13:51 |
| XueFengLiu | Yes | 13:51 |
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| Qiming | a more dirty work is to rebase profile and policy schema onto versioned objects | 13:51 |
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| Qiming | then we have a better versioning support all profile/policy versions | 13:52 |
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| XueFengLiu | Qiming, this is you personal things want to do or personal option? | 13:52 |
| Qiming | my personal view | 13:52 |
| Qiming | pls don't view them as all in my plate | 13:52 |
| Qiming | I cannot eat that much | 13:52 |
| XueFengLiu | haha:) | 13:53 |
| XueFengLiu | Got it | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | I'm asking your suggestions | 13:53 |
| Qiming | what do you think should we give a higher priority | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | if you don't have an answer right now, pls think about it and share with team later | 13:53 |
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| XueFengLiu | Ok | 13:54 |
| XueFengLiu | adoption is high | 13:54 |
| XueFengLiu | others I will share later | 13:54 |
| XueFengLiu | In next weekly meeting | 13:55 |
| Qiming | check TODO.rst and FEATURES.rst | 13:55 |
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| Qiming | need some tuning to those lists | 13:55 |
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| XueFengLiu | Yes | 13:55 |
| XueFengLiu | And about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/senlin/+spec/cluster-lock-cluster-unlock | 13:55 |
| Qiming | for example, api wg conformance is not a big issue now | 13:55 |
| Qiming | we have been closely following their guidelines | 13:55 |
| XueFengLiu | need discuss wiht ruijie_ and Qiming | 13:56 |
| XueFengLiu | Which is senlin want for cluster-lokc-unlock | 13:56 |
| Qiming | right, that blueprint needs some details | 13:56 |
| Qiming | #topic open discussions | 13:57 |
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| Qiming | still a few minutes | 13:57 |
| ruijie_ | My thought is mark it as ERROR or something before. | 13:57 |
| Qiming | ERROR is a state you can recover from | 13:58 |
| Qiming | I was thinking that a cluster is frozen | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | no more actions are accepted before an 'unfreeze' ... :) | 13:58 |
| ruijie_ | Right Qiming, only recover action could make it alive again | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | how about adding your comment to the etherpad | 13:59 |
| ruijie_ | sure Qiming | 13:59 |
| Qiming | time's up, guys, thx for joining | 13:59 |
| Qiming | ttyl | 13:59 |
| XueFengLiu | OK, will add more in that | 13:59 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| yuval | #startmeeting karbor | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 7 15:01:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yuval. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| yuval | Hello and welcome to Karbor meeting | 15:01 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 7 16:01:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | hi everyone | 16:01 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: kevinbenton: manjeets: | 16:02 |
| * jlibosva already waved | 16:02 | |
| * ihrachys waves back at mlavalle | 16:02 | |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: I long for people attention, it's never enough | 16:02 |
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| ihrachys | ok let's start with reviewing action items from the previous meeting | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | #topic Action items from previous meeting | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | "ihrachys to monitor e-r irc bot reporting in the channel" | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | so, I haven't seen a single report in the channel from the bot | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | so I guess now I have another action item to track, which is to fix it :) | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys fix e-r bot not reporting in irc channel | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | next is: "manjeets to repropose the CI dashboard script for reviewday" | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | I see this proposed: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439114/ | 16:04 |
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| ihrachys | I guess we can't check the result before landing | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | ok it seems like a good start, I will review after the meeting | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: do you have a pointer? | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle: pointer to? | 16:07 |
| mlavalle | manjeets patchset | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | I thought I pasted it | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439114/ | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: you did. my bad | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | ok np | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | it's basically doing a simple gerrit board with bug/* filters for each gate-failure tagged bug | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | so it seems the right thing | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | I wonder if there is place to reuse code between dashboard, but otherwise it seems solid | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | ok next item is: "ihrachys to follow up with armax on why trunk connectivity test fails for lb scenario job" | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | so kevinbenton looked at the failures and realized that's because the scenario job for ovs was not using ovsfw | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | and hybrid firewall does not support trunks | 16:10 |
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| ihrachys | for that matter there are a bunch of patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:fix-trunk-scenario | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | two neutron patches in gate, and we will need project-config change in to make it all good | 16:10 |
| manjeets | o/ | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | there is still cleanup to do for gate-hook that I will follow up | 16:10 |
| manjeets | sorry for being late | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to clean up dsvm-scenario flavor handling from gate-hook | 16:11 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets: hi. you have a link to an example dashboard handy? | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | (use url shortener if you paste it directly) | 16:11 |
| mlavalle | lol | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | everyone did it at least once in their lifetime! | 16:12 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, I can generate one continue on meeting i'll paste in few mins | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: ok thanks | 16:12 |
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| mlavalle | I certainly did more than once :-) | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | next item was "ihrachys to follow up on PTG working items related to CI and present next week" | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | I did check the list, and i have some items to discuss, but will dedicate a separate section | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | ok next was on me and not really covered so I will repeat it for public shame and the next meeting check | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | #topic ihrachys to walk thru list of open gate failure bugs and give them love | 16:13 |
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| ihrachys | next was "armax to assess impact of d-g change on stadium gate hooks" | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | (that was the breakage due to local.conf loading changes) | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | I suspect armax is not online just yet | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | and I haven't seen a complete assessment from him just yet. I gotta chase him down. :) | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to chase down armax on d-g local.conf breakage assessment for stadium | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | speaking of which, the next item was for me to land and backport the fix for neutron repo, and we did | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/Ibd0f67f9131e7f67f3a4a62cb6ad28bf80e11bbf,n,z | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | so neutron repo should be safe | 16:15 |
| jlibosva | good job! | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | as for others, we gotta have a dedicated time to look | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | ok let's now have a look at our current state of gate | 16:16 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Gate state | 16:16 |
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| ihrachys | the neutron grafana is at: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | one thing that stands out is api job showing 50% failure rate in sliding window | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | good news is that it should be fixed now | 16:17 |
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| ihrachys | there was a breakage caused by devstack-gate patch that was fixed by a revert: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442123/ | 16:18 |
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| ihrachys | since it's not the first time we are borked by d-g changes, I proposed to add a non voting neutron-api job for devstack-gate here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442156/ | 16:18 |
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| ihrachys | next job of concern is gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dsvm-ubuntu-xenial | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | currently at 25% | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | in gate | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | ofc some of it may be due to OOM killers and libvirtd crashing | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | but since it stands out | 16:20 |
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| ihrachys | it's probably more than just that | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | and 25% in gate is not good | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | any ideas about what lingers the job? | 16:21 |
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| ihrachys | there was a nasty metadata issue the prev week that kevinbenton tracked down to conntrack killing connections for other tenants | 16:21 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: you meant gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-ubuntu-xenial, right? | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | that should be fixed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441346/ | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle: hm yeah, dvr, sorry | 16:22 |
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| * haleyb hears dvr and listens up | 16:23 | |
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| ihrachys | haleyb: any ideas what makes dvr look worse than others? ;0 | 16:23 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, is there any patch in progress for gate issues | 16:24 |
| manjeets | currentlt i don't see any which have either bug id in message or in topic | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: not that I know of for dvr job, hence I wonder | 16:24 |
| manjeets | https://goo.gl/zVplMR | 16:24 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: it's probably the one lingering bug we have, https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1509004 | 16:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1509004 in neutron ""test_dualnet_dhcp6_stateless_from_os" failures seen in the gate" [High,Confirmed] | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | oh you mean generally | 16:24 |
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| manjeets | it used to show some patches, logic i added was either bug id in commit message or topic of patches | 16:25 |
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| haleyb | although that bug is more general l3, but happens more with dvr | 16:25 |
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| ihrachys | manjeets: makes sense. let's have a look at specific cases after the meeting. | 16:25 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: + | 16:25 |
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| ihrachys | haleyb: and do we have any lead on it? | 16:26 |
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| haleyb | ihrachys: no it has been elusive for a long time, but not 25%, in the single digits | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | ok I feel there is some investigation to do | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | preferrably for l3 folks | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | are you up for the job? | 16:28 |
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| mlavalle | ihrachys: if this is a priority, I can devote some bandwidth to it | 16:28 |
| mlavalle | haleyb: ^^^ let me know if you want me to do this | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle: CI stability especially for jobs that are in gate is of priority for the whole project | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | the failures slow down merge velocit | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | *velocity | 16:29 |
| haleyb | thanks mlavalle, yes, sometimes a new set of eyes will find something | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | #action haleyb and mlavalle to investigate what makes dvr gate job failing with 25% rate | 16:29 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 16:29 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: but above you said there was a 25% failure? that wasn't the dvr job | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | that was dvr, I made a mistake | 16:29 |
| haleyb | oh, now i see it in grafana | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | haleyb: see here http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=5&fullscreen | 16:30 |
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| ihrachys | finally, we have fullstack job and whopping ~100% failure rate | 16:30 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: what's happening with it? caught a flu? | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | I haven't checked, just see it's really busted | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | I saw couple of failures related to qos | 16:31 |
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| ihrachys | example: http://logs.openstack.org/10/422210/10/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-fullstack-ubuntu-xenial/3aad0fa/testr_results.html.gz | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | yeah qos, I saw it a lot before | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | but didn't get to it yet, you can add me an AI to have a peak | 16:31 |
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| ihrachys | I assume it's on ajo ;) | 16:32 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: sometimes dvr is just the victim, has more moving parts, we make no changes and failures rise and fall | 16:32 |
| * haleyb realizes that's a bad excuse | 16:32 | |
| ihrachys | haleyb: bingo ;) | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: I will try to have qos folks have a look, and if not we'll revisit | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | it's not too pressing since it's non-voting | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | #action ajo to chase down fullstack 100% failure rate due to test_dscp_qos_policy_rule_lifecycle failures | 16:33 |
| jlibosva | but it's almost up to 100% :-/ | 16:33 |
| jlibosva | I'll have a look anyways :-P | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | you are a free agent of your destiny | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to help ajo understand why fullstack fails | 16:34 |
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| ihrachys | ok seems like we have grasp of current issues, or have folks on hooks for remaining unknowns ;) | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | let's move on | 16:34 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: for example, in the tempest gate, the dvr failure graph mimics the api failure one, just lower | 16:34 |
| haleyb | anyways... | 16:34 |
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| ihrachys | haleyb: I think dvr job was not broken by gate-hook, but maybe just monitor for a day before jumping on it | 16:35 |
| haleyb | will do | 16:35 |
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| ihrachys | if it doesn't resolve itself, then start panicking | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | ok moving on | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | #topic PTG followup | 16:35 |
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| ihrachys | so I went through the -final etherpad at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ptg-pike-final and tried to list actionable CI items | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | let's review those and find owners | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | first block is functional job stability matters | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | several things here to track, though some were already covered | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | for one thing, the ovsdb-native timeout issue | 16:37 |
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| ihrachys | there were suggestion that we should try to eliminate some of broken parts from the run | 16:38 |
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| ihrachys | 1. raise timeout for ovsdb operations. I think there was some agreement that it may help to reduce the rate | 16:38 |
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| ihrachys | not sure if otherwiseguy still feels ok-ish about it, considering his late fixes up for review | 16:38 |
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| ihrachys | I am specifically talking about https://review.openstack.org/441208 and https://review.openstack.org/441258 | 16:39 |
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| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, I'm ok with raising timeout. | 16:39 |
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| otherwiseguy | I think it'll help. but we need to raise the probe_interval as well. | 16:40 |
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| ihrachys | otherwiseguy: would you mind linking your patches to the correct bug in LP? | 16:40 |
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| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, will do | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | that will help them to show up at the gerrit CI board manjeets is working on | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | thanks | 16:40 |
| manjeets | thanks | 16:41 |
| ihrachys | ok then I guess it's on ajo to revive the timeout patch | 16:41 |
| ihrachys | #action ajo to restore and merge patch raising ovsdb native timeout: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425623/ | 16:41 |
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| ihrachys | another thing that should reduce the number of tests for the job and hence the chance of hitting the issue is otherwiseguy's work to spin off ovsdb layer into a separate repo | 16:42 |
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| ihrachys | starting from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442206/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438087/ | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | it's wip | 16:42 |
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| ihrachys | I believe it won't fix the issue for the neutron gate because we still have tests that do not target the layer but use it (like dhcp agent) | 16:43 |
| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, theoretically it could move out of WIP as soon as soon as added to openstack/requirements | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | otherwiseguy: oh it's passing everything? you're quick | 16:43 |
| otherwiseguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442206/ | 16:43 |
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| ihrachys | otherwiseguy: you could as well Depends-On the patch to pass the remaining job | 16:44 |
| otherwiseguy | I'll have to merge in any changes we've made since posting it, but git subtree handles that. | 16:44 |
| ihrachys | and then just remove WIP | 16:44 |
| manjeets | otherwiseguy, would there be any version for initial ovsdb ? | 16:44 |
| otherwiseguy | I guess I need to add to global-requirements.txt as well? wasn't sure if there was something automated if added to projects.txt in requirements. | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | otherwiseguy: projects.txt only makes requirements bot to propose syncs for your repo | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | it doesn't change a thing beyond that | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | (unless I am completely delusional) | 16:45 |
| otherwiseguy | manjeets, there are some dev versions posted to pypi. I'll probably make a real release 0.1 release soonish. | 16:45 |
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| ihrachys | otherwiseguy: so, you need to add ovsdbapp into global-reqs.txt and upper-constraints.txt | 16:46 |
| otherwiseguy | THere is some refactoring I'd like to do before an actual 1.0 release. But once everything is completely up, I can do Depends-On changes for projects to handle my refactoring. | 16:46 |
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| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, Ok. I'll do that as well. | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | and depends-on that, not the patch that modifies projects.txt | 16:46 |
| manjeets | otherwiseguy, then don't we need upper-constraint as well (I may be wrong) ? | 16:47 |
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| ihrachys | we do | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | otherwiseguy: so you are not going to adopt it in neutron before 1.0? | 16:47 |
| otherwiseguy | I'll go through the instructions on project creation doc page. | 16:47 |
| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, we can (and should) adopt immediately. Just going to change some, but I can keep things in sync. Especially after adding some more cores soon. :p | 16:48 |
| ihrachys | otherwiseguy: as long as it does not go too far to make adoption more complicated | 16:48 |
| ihrachys | consider what happened to oslo.messaging :) | 16:48 |
| ihrachys | better stick to what we have and refactor once we have projects tied | 16:49 |
| otherwiseguy | ihrachys, It'll be easier just having to make the ovsdb changes in one place as opposed to making them in neutron, then merging to ovsdbapp, then moving things, etc. | 16:49 |
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| ihrachys | unless you see a huge architectural issue that requires drastic changes | 16:49 |
| otherwiseguy | Right, I'm planning on moving everything to using ovsdbapp as is, then gradually making changes later. | 16:49 |
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| ihrachys | ack, good | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | ok that seems to progress and I am sure otherwiseguy will complete it till next meeting ;) | 16:50 |
| otherwiseguy | :D | 16:50 |
| otherwiseguy | I will be pretty obsessed with it for a bit. | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | another item from PTG was driving switch to ha+dvr jobs for most gate jobs | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | for that matter, anilvenkata_afk has the following patch in devstack-gate that doesn't move too far lately: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383827/ | 16:51 |
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| ihrachys | Anil just rebased it | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | I will leave an action item on anilvenkata_afk to track that | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | #action anilvenkata_afk to track inclusion of HA+DVR patch for devstack-gate | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | there were also talks about reducing the number of jobs in gate, like removing non-dvr, non-multinode flavours wherever possible | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | anyone willing to take the initial analysis of what we can do and report the next week with suggestions on what we can remove? | 16:53 |
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| haleyb | ihrachys: and i had just proposed to make the dvr-multinode job voting, but dvr+ha+multinode is just as good | 16:53 |
| ihrachys | btw not just in gate but in check queue too, we have some jobs that are not going anywhere, or that are worthless for what I wonder (ironic?) | 16:54 |
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| ihrachys | haleyb: I would imagine that instead of piling new jobs on top we would remove non-dvr and replace them with dvr flavours | 16:54 |
| haleyb | they have to be voting in check to be voting in gate from what i learned | 16:54 |
| ihrachys | haleyb: link to the patch would be handy | 16:54 |
| haleyb | https://review.openstack.org/410973 | 16:54 |
| haleyb | i had started that in newton | 16:55 |
| ihrachys | ok. considering that we currently have 25% failure rate for the job, it may be challenging to sell its voting status ;) | 16:55 |
| ihrachys | let's discuss on gerrit | 16:55 |
| ihrachys | so, anyone to do the general analysis for all jobs we have? | 16:56 |
| ihrachys | ok let's leave it for the next meeting to think about, we are running out of time | 16:56 |
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| ihrachys | we will follow up on more ptg items the next week | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | (dude the number is huge) | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 16:57 |
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| manjeets | ihrachys, one more missing bit py35 demonstration via tempest or functional job | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: yeah it's in my list for next week | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | there are more :) | 16:58 |
| manjeets | ohk | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | I would like to raise attention to jlibosva docs patch on gerrit rechecks: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426829/ | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | I think it's ready to go though I see some comments from manjeets that may need addressing | 16:58 |
| ihrachys | I don't believe that the policy should apply to 'gate deputies' only | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | (btw we don't have such a role) | 16:59 |
| jlibosva | I'll look at the comments | 16:59 |
| manjeets | ihrachys, It is for upgrades but still ci gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-linuxbridge-multinode-ubuntu-xenial-nv | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | to make it work, everyone should be on the same page and behave responsibly | 16:59 |
| jlibosva | I think he meant bug deputies? | 16:59 |
| manjeets | i need to follow up on that just a reminder will do that after meeting | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | well I would not expect bug deputies to be on the hook to read logs now | 16:59 |
| ihrachys | it's enough work to triage bugs already | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | manjeets: ok | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva: let's follow up on manjeets's comments in gerrit | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | we are out of time | 17:00 |
| jlibosva | sure | 17:00 |
| manjeets | or there can be separate gate deputies not sure if that would make more sense | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | we haven't covered everything we should have, but that's ok, it means we have work to do ;) | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | thanks all | 17:00 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 7 17:00:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| jlibosva | thanks | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-03-07-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-03-07-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-03-07-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
| jlibosva | bye | 17:00 |
| manjeets | thanks | 17:00 |
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| electrocucaracha | thanks' | 17:01 |
| dschultz | #startmeeting functions | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 7 17:01:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dschultz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: functions)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'functions' | 17:01 |
| dschultz | Hello all! Welcome to the first project meeting for project Picasso - Functions as a Service for OpenStack | 17:02 |
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| denismakogon | what's up? | 17:02 |
| dschultz | can we do a quick roll call to see who's with us? then we'll get started | 17:02 |
| denismakogon | o/ | 17:02 |
| dschultz | perhaps they fell silent or will join us later. let's resume | 17:03 |
| dschultz | #topic Discuss time slot for future meetings | 17:04 |
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| dschultz | Current cadence is biweekly (even weeks) on Tuesdays at 1700 UTC. | 17:04 |
| denismakogon | i'm in UTC+2 (east europe) | 17:04 |
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| robputt | hi everyone | 17:05 |
| robputt | :-) | 17:05 |
| dschultz | 1700 is about the earliest i can do while still being caffeinated, but open to later times if that works best for the majority | 17:05 |
| dschultz | hi rob! | 17:05 |
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| dschultz | do you have any preference on meeting time? | 17:05 |
| robputt | nope | 17:06 |
| robputt | right now is cool for me :-) | 17:06 |
| dschultz | i'm UTC-7 (Colorado) | 17:06 |
| dschultz | ok, cool | 17:06 |
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| robputt | I am in UTC time zone at the moment, but in summer months I am in BST (aka UTC+1) | 17:06 |
| denismakogon | so i think we're fine with having meeting in CT timezone, should be fine for all of us | 17:06 |
| dschultz | So let's keep current schedule for now | 17:07 |
| dschultz | #topic New project name to replace Picasso | 17:07 |
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| robputt | btw I moved all the stuff in the dev mailing list into the etherpad | 17:07 |
| denismakogon | yeah, pretty hot question, Picasso is registered trademark https://trademarks.justia.com/854/80/picasso-85480361.html | 17:08 |
| robputt | ohhh | 17:08 |
| robputt | O_o | 17:08 |
| dschultz | So, it's come to our attention that we'll need to change the project name from Picasso due to legality of the name, as Denis mentioned. | 17:08 |
| robputt | the name itself? | 17:08 |
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| robputt | or just the shape and style? | 17:08 |
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| dschultz | Just the project name | 17:08 |
| robputt | wow, Picasso dental wax | 17:08 |
| robputt | don't wanna annoy these guys :-P | 17:08 |
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| robputt | they might have an army of dentists come after us :-P | 17:09 |
| denismakogon | we need to ask folks from Foundation for help i think | 17:09 |
| robputt | look | 17:09 |
| robputt | I'll be honest the reason why I became interested in this project | 17:09 |
| dschultz | So, I'd like us to come up with some alternatives and vote on it at the next meeting. Sound good? I'd like community input here, but I was thinking we could maybe just call it Functions? | 17:09 |
| robputt | was because we already have our own internal Function as a Service built on an OpenStack ecosystem | 17:09 |
| robputt | maybe we could just steal the name from my project if Rackspace is happy with it? | 17:09 |
| robputt | "Exequor" | 17:09 |
| robputt | it's short hand latin for "to execute" | 17:10 |
| denismakogon | i think we need couple options that we can present to Foundation | 17:11 |
| dschultz | ha, i like it. want to make note of that? Current options: Functions, Exequor (pending approval) | 17:11 |
| robputt | who is making notes? | 17:11 |
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| robputt | want me to add them to the etherpad? | 17:11 |
| denismakogon | chat bot, no? | 17:11 |
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| dschultz | chat bot will do some notes, but best to keep it in etherpad. | 17:12 |
| denismakogon | makes sense | 17:12 |
| dschultz | thank you robputt | 17:12 |
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| dschultz | anything else on the project name topic? | 17:13 |
| robputt | errr, nothing else from me at the moment | 17:14 |
| robputt | but maybe I can think of some other options | 17:14 |
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| robputt | btw is the intention to keep appending successive meetings to the etherpad? | 17:14 |
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| robputt | if so we can just copy this topic to the next meeting and let people add their thoughts in the ehterpad | 17:14 |
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| denismakogon | makes sense, dschultz what you think? | 17:15 |
| robputt | hey rtrox :-) | 17:16 |
| rtrox | hiya | 17:16 |
| dschultz | i think it would be best to have a new etherpad for each meeting, using the date timestamp of the meeting. but at first, since this project is in the early stages i don't see any issue with doing as suggested | 17:16 |
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| denismakogon | So, project name is still quite open, we don't have deadline for now since we're a bit far away from becoming a BigTent project | 17:16 |
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| robputt | wow, you guys are very ambitious :-D | 17:17 |
| robputt | I think BigTent status takes alot | 17:17 |
| dschultz | right, it's not urgent but something we need to consider moving forward. | 17:17 |
| denismakogon | rught | 17:17 |
| denismakogon | right | 17:17 |
| dschultz | ok, moving on | 17:18 |
| dschultz | #topic Roadmap and blueprints | 17:18 |
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| denismakogon | dschultz: may i step in? | 17:18 |
| dschultz | sure! | 17:18 |
| denismakogon | So, the main thing on our roadmap is to build Picasso V2 that wouldn't be a thin API layer in front of IronFunctions, but would be a set of extensions and middleware for IronFn | 17:20 |
| denismakogon | Next thing - bring more container techmologies | 17:20 |
| denismakogon | like K8t, roket.io | 17:20 |
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| robputt | are these container functionality under IronFunctions or directly under Picasso / whatever we call it? | 17:21 |
| denismakogon | third thing - support building functions from source code | 17:21 |
| robputt | By this do you mean providing it with a Python package etc... rather than a prebaked Docker image? | 17:21 |
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| denismakogon | functionality is inside of IronFunctions lib called runner that is an abstraction above Docker (for now) | 17:21 |
| dschultz | robputt: IronFunctions has a backend container driver (default: Docker), which is pluggable to support drivers for K8s, rkt, etc. #link https://github.com/iron-io/runner | 17:22 |
| denismakogon | robputt: yes, some sort of, but such feature will involve couple OpenStack services like Glance, Glare and Swift | 17:23 |
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| denismakogon | So, the main thing we'd do is to switch from Python code to Go code because IronFunctions is pure Go. | 17:24 |
| robputt | ok... | 17:24 |
| robputt | How does the community feel about this? | 17:24 |
| robputt | having two projects in different languages doesn't prevent them co-existing or interacting with eachother | 17:25 |
| denismakogon | according to the latest info if there's a tech reason to use Go there's no objections | 17:25 |
| robputt | I know in the past there was alot of push back when Swift team wanted to use some GoLang components for performance reasons as Go was (and to my knowledge still isn't) an official OpenStack unless you have extenuating circumstances | 17:25 |
| denismakogon | it was said by TC members | 17:25 |
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| dschultz | yes, Go is a hot topic as far as community support. let's make sure we approach this the right way... | 17:27 |
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| dschultz | denismakogon: we do not yet have a blueprint on what you proposed, right? should that be an action item? maybe highlight the pros/cons | 17:27 |
| denismakogon | Go language was decided to be accepted as second valid language for backend development in OpenStack, there are somethings that are requiring to be done in infra to support Go, but Swift already has feature branches that are including Go code | 17:27 |
| denismakogon | dschultz: right | 17:27 |
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| denismakogon | i'll make spec by the next meeting | 17:28 |
| dschultz | #action denismakogon to create blueprint for moving from Python to Go | 17:28 |
| denismakogon | objections/recommendations? | 17:28 |
| dschultz | awesome, added action item | 17:28 |
| notmyname | good luck | 17:28 |
| robputt | I personally object unless there is a real reason to use GoLang | 17:28 |
| robputt | a good example is alot of OpenStack stuff hasn't been ported to GoLang | 17:29 |
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| robputt | e.g. Keystone-AuthMiddleware, Oslo Packages and so on... | 17:29 |
| denismakogon | So, the thing is Picasso is fully mimics IronFunctions API plus two features - keystone auth and public/private functions | 17:29 |
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| robputt | I think a GoLang based service would be very alien to OpenStack deployers | 17:30 |
| robputt | True, in it's current form Picasso is a proxy layer with auth for IronFunctions | 17:30 |
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| robputt | however proxy layers don't really need to be the same language as the underlying technology | 17:31 |
| denismakogon | robputt: you are right, that's why we'll invest time into helping infra and oslo teams to build the same set of libs in Go | 17:31 |
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| robputt | Well, if we are willing to put in the work to bring OpenStack standard set of libs into GoLang | 17:31 |
| robputt | and are happy to maintain them accross future releases then I guess its more of an interesting proposition | 17:31 |
| rtrox | denismakogon what is the big selling point for a port to GoLang? | 17:31 |
| robputt | but if we cannot commit to that, I think we are doing a disservice to the community by leaving them between a rock and a hard place with some Go stuff which gets out of date | 17:32 |
| denismakogon | yes, in any case we'll align with all requirements to join big tent someday | 17:32 |
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| robputt | The reality is there are ALOT of oslo libs, and stuff like keystone-authmiddleware which ideally would need to be ported to Go and maintained for this to be a positive move | 17:33 |
| rtrox | because so far, the "pro" that I've seen is just that ironfunctions is written in go, is there some functionality or use-case that is leading you to want a go rewrite? | 17:33 |
| denismakogon | robputt: all of this will be done as complete Go integration | 17:33 |
| robputt | I have to say Go worries me as a direction for the project | 17:34 |
| robputt | its alot of overhead for not alot of gain | 17:34 |
| robputt | and simply because IronFunctions is Go doesn't really mean Picasso should be Go too | 17:34 |
| denismakogon | rtrox: we'd reduce amount of code, we'd reduce number of services to 1 service with pre-built load balancer | 17:34 |
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| robputt | Is there anyone from the community we can refer to to decide under which extenuating circumstances we should use an alternative language to Python? | 17:35 |
| robputt | denismakogon: by moving this to Go, would is literally be absorbed into IronFunctions with 100% vendor lock in? | 17:35 |
| denismakogon | IronFunctions is not vendor-locked | 17:36 |
| robputt | no but Picasso is | 17:36 |
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| robputt | It's like saying "libvirt is not vendor locked so Nova should only have a libvirt driver and nothing else" | 17:36 |
| robputt | the reality is what if someone wanted to use Fission behind Picasso? | 17:37 |
| robputt | or dare we say it even a lambda driver if they so choose todo so? | 17:37 |
| dschultz | well keep in mind IronFunctions is open-source, and the idea behind it is to get away from vendor lock-in like AWS | 17:37 |
| dschultz | IronFunctions actually supports importing Lambda functions | 17:38 |
| robputt | True I get this, but for me the vendor lock in should be at the Picasso level not at IronFunctions level | 17:38 |
| robputt | as a precedent no other big tent API has lock in to a particular backend driver | 17:38 |
| denismakogon | even with Fission, you can build a driver to IronFunctions | 17:38 |
| robputt | I think you are missing the point here, | 17:39 |
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| robputt | in it's current form with Picasso you MUST use IronFunctions | 17:39 |
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| robputt | there is no freedom to choose and alternative | 17:39 |
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| robputt | I understand IronFunctions is opensource and so on, but the real thing behind FOSS software is freedom | 17:39 |
| robputt | as well as being opensource | 17:40 |
| dschultz | I think I follow robputt: but from an architecture view, it seems like a tall order to be able to support multiple platforms/frameworks, when the common denominator is the container execution engine, which should be pluggable | 17:40 |
| robputt | to be honest, if we are simply adding keystone auth to IronFunctions | 17:40 |
| dschultz | don't get me wrong, i agree with your comments and concern. just not sure how we can approach it | 17:40 |
| robputt | I don't really think there is a project here, it may as well just be part of IronFunctions with the ability to turn on or off keysotne auth in the config file | 17:41 |
| robputt | Well, we should look to Nova, Neutron, Cinder, Swift and so on | 17:41 |
| robputt | to understand how they implemented multiple backend drivers | 17:41 |
| rtrox | unless you're discussing the entire ironfunctions code base become part of not-picasso? | 17:42 |
| robputt | Cinder is probably a good one to consider as there are lots of multiple vendor backends for Cinder | 17:42 |
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| robputt | from simply having the block device on a disk on a Linux box, to different SANs and NAS configurations | 17:42 |
| robputt | I am confident if they can get multiple pluggable back end drivers for such an array of vendors, it can be done in Picasso too | 17:43 |
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| robputt | initially yes there may only be 1 backend driver, for IronFunctions | 17:43 |
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| robputt | but it should be a pluggable choice for the deployer to make in my opinion... and then maybe as a contributor I may add drivers for my preferred backend function running thingy... | 17:43 |
| robputt | for sure atleast I'd like to see Fission and IronFunction backend drivers | 17:44 |
| denismakogon | ok, so, the question is still open. | 17:45 |
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| dschultz | worth exploring this idea more. thanks for the input. i wanted to touch on 1 or 2 blueprint topics before going to open discussion (if time permits) | 17:45 |
| robputt | yep | 17:45 |
| robputt | I think we need a bigger input of opinion to resolve this one... | 17:45 |
| dschultz | agreed | 17:46 |
| robputt | the other option | 17:46 |
| robputt | is to make IronFunctions as a thing | 17:46 |
| robputt | OpenStack Functions | 17:46 |
| rtrox | yea, that's what I asked above | 17:46 |
| robputt | this way, they have a pluggable back end | 17:46 |
| denismakogon | Let's assume that we'll have Picasso as is, we'd need to support oslo libs stack, i'd say that those libs are designed to work through evenlets | 17:46 |
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| robputt | denismakogon: I am not 100% sure what you are getting at here | 17:48 |
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| robputt | some stuff in Oslo is eventlet driven, such as some stuff in Oslo.Db project and Oslo.AsyncIO | 17:48 |
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| rtrox | me either, when we were talking about oslolibs we were talking about things like oslo.config, oslo.log, oslo.db, etc | 17:48 |
| rtrox | yea | 17:48 |
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| rtrox | oslo.messaging | 17:49 |
| robputt | but no all of oslo is eventlet based | 17:49 |
| robputt | it depends if eventlet suits that particular libs use case | 17:49 |
| denismakogon | Picasso doesn't use eventlets and it wouldn't use at all | 17:50 |
| robputt | is there something in particular against eventlet? | 17:50 |
| denismakogon | so, i see value in supporting oslo.log and oslo.config only | 17:50 |
| robputt | there is a call for oslo.db not to use eventlet | 17:50 |
| denismakogon | robputt: yes, why do we need eventlet if we have native event loop with uvloop policy? | 17:50 |
| robputt | well, does everything want to wait for the loop? | 17:51 |
| robputt | thats the question, it is really down to usecase | 17:51 |
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| dschultz | ##info discussing Oslo libs | 17:51 |
| dschultz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/picasso/+spec/oslo-config | 17:51 |
| dschultz | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/picasso/+spec/oslo-logging | 17:51 |
| rtrox | and actually eventlet is optional in oslo.db https://github.com/openstack/oslo.db/blob/master/oslo_db/concurrency.py#L60-L66 | 17:51 |
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| denismakogon | if oslo.db would support fully async operations through async/await we'll come back to it, before that it's suitable | 17:52 |
| denismakogon | oslo.db does not support asyncio API and it's blocker | 17:53 |
| robputt | I think we are missing the point here | 17:53 |
| robputt | Oslo.Db is designed to be deployed accross many diverse environments | 17:53 |
| robputt | with varying Python versions etc... | 17:53 |
| rtrox | and varying backend drivers | 17:53 |
| robputt | I beleive async and await is only really around since either Python 3.4 or 3.5? | 17:53 |
| rtrox | to various backend DBs | 17:53 |
| denismakogon | Picasso is Python 3.5+ | 17:54 |
| robputt | There are alot of OpenStack deployers out there who deploy old versions of Python, old OpenStack versions | 17:54 |
| robputt | in the operators space I don't know anyone who is firmly using Mitaka yet | 17:54 |
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| denismakogon | so, before oslo.db will support asyncio API, we'd build an abstraction to support more than one DB if needed | 17:54 |
| robputt | lots are still on Kilo and Liberty and running Python 2.7.2 across their environment | 17:54 |
| robputt | so, I would like to understand here | 17:55 |
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| robputt | is the async stuff in > Python 3.5 and absolute requirement for Picasso (and if so why?) or is it just more convenient? | 17:55 |
| denismakogon | Picasso was designed to work over asyncio API to provide pretty fast layer in from of IronFunction to get function execution proxying fast as possible. | 17:56 |
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| denismakogon | robputt: absolute requirement | 17:57 |
| denismakogon | let's move this discussion to Slack or IRC, we're running out of time | 17:58 |
| denismakogon | dschultz: let's move to next topic | 17:58 |
| robputt | yep lets move on | 17:58 |
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| dschultz | The last blueprint update I'd like to cover is async tracking: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/picasso/+spec/async-tracking | 17:59 |
| robputt | yep | 17:59 |
| dschultz | we are tracking that here #link https://github.com/iron-io/functions/issues/415 | 17:59 |
| robputt | so | 17:59 |
| robputt | this i think is already covered in IronFunctions | 17:59 |
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| robputt | if I send a non blocking execution | 17:59 |
| robputt | it returns some ID which I can poll against for the result of the function | 17:59 |
| robputt | but that ID does not appear to be proxied back to Picasso | 17:59 |
| denismakogon | robputt: not really, tracking is available while function runs, its status is not available when async execution is finished | 18:00 |
| robputt | and there is no way to poll a result in Picasso | 18:00 |
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| robputt | ok | 18:00 |
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| denismakogon | robputt: IronFunctions doesn't have an API to track specific execution rather than querying all statuses | 18:00 |
| robputt | so how do you get results from a function run which is non returning? | 18:00 |
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| robputt | unless you implement some call back yourself in the function? | 18:01 |
| denismakogon | robputt: for now, there's no such capability | 18:01 |
| dschultz | see the PR linked above. IronFunctions team is working on a solution for this. | 18:01 |
| dschultz | sorry guys, running out of time here. we can continue in our channel | 18:01 |
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| robputt | ok | 18:01 |
| denismakogon | dschultz: right | 18:01 |
| robputt | lets move to openstack-functions | 18:01 |
| dschultz | thank you all for attending! sincerely appreciate your input! | 18:01 |
| dschultz | #endmeeting | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 7 18:01:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/functions/2017/functions.2017-03-07-17.01.html | 18:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/functions/2017/functions.2017-03-07-17.01.txt | 18:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/functions/2017/functions.2017-03-07-17.01.log.html | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 7 18:01:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | ping agrebennikov, amakarov, annakoppad, antwash, ayoung, bknudson, breton, browne, chrisplo, cmurphy, davechen, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, edtubill, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, jamielennox, jaugustine, jgrassler, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, kbaikov, ktychkova, morgan, nishaYadav, nkinder, notmorgan, portdirect raildo, ravelar, rderose, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, SamYaple, shaleh, spilla, srwilkers, | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | StefanPaetowJisc, stevemar, topol, shardy, ricolin | 18:02 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:02 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:02 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:02 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 18:02 |
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| lamt | o/ | 18:02 |
| unrahul | o/ | 18:02 |
| dstanek | ehlo | 18:02 |
| knangia | o/ | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | we have a lot on the agenda today - so i'll get started wth announcements as folks trickle in | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | #topic Announcement: Pike deadlines | 18:02 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441999 | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | I proposed our deadlines for Pike and I'm going to double check those today | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | and resolve the merge conflict | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | but I'd expect to have those cleaned up and merged sometime this week | 18:03 |
| spilla | o/ | 18:04 |
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| lbragstad | just giving everyone a heads up so that they know what we have for a schedule in Pike as far as deadlines go | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | #topic Announcement: New release of keystoneauth today after the following merge | 18:04 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442516/ | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442536/ | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | just for awareness | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | if there is anything folks want in the next release of ksa - let me know | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | otherwise we'll be cutting the first version for pike sometime today or tomorrow | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | alright - on to the fun stuff | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | #topic VMT follow up from PTG | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "VMT follow up from PTG (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:05 | |
| lbragstad | Followed up with a few folks from OpenStack Security that have some good information we can use to forward with VMT for identity related projects | 18:05 |
| notmorgan | those are test fixture changes btw ^ the ksa bits | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | ping michaelxin, knangia, xin9972, unrahul | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | knangia unrahul o/ | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | #link https://openstack-security.github.io/collaboration/2016/04/26/threat-analysis-process.html | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | #link https://openstack-security.github.io/collaboration/2016/01/16/threat-analysis.html | 18:06 |
| unrahul | hey lbragstad | 18:06 |
| knangia | hey lbragstad | 18:06 |
| unrahul | so michealxin won't be available today | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | unrahul knangia thanks for dropping by! | 18:06 |
| unrahul | sure lbragstad , let us know how we may help out | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | unrahul knangia would you mind giving us a brief introduction to what you both do? | 18:06 |
| unrahul | yup so we are both from OSIC security team, mainly working on the openstack security testing project syntribos | 18:07 |
| unrahul | we are members of the openstack security project | 18:07 |
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| lbragstad | nice | 18:08 |
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| lbragstad | unrahul it sounds like you are both familiar with the VMT security analysis process as well? | 18:08 |
| unrahul | We have participated in the initial discussions on security analysis of barbican, it was mostly driven by Rob clark and Doug chivers from the security team | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | awesome - we poked around at that document during the PTG | 18:09 |
| unrahul | And if you guys are initiating a security analysis for keystone, I would recommend involving either of them | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | and used it as a reference | 18:09 |
| unrahul | great.. | 18:09 |
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| lbragstad | unrahul do they have irc nicks? | 18:10 |
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| knangia | exactly, participated in barbican threat analysis, but mostly i guess, michael xin can guide us | 18:10 |
| notmorgan | yes, the goal is to get Keystoneauth, KeystoneMiddleware, and Keystone reviewed | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | yeah - we were planning on starting with keystonemiddleware (at least according to our etherpad) #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-ptg-keystone-vmt-coverage | 18:10 |
| unrahul | yes, hyakuhei and capnoday | 18:10 |
| notmorgan | the VMT only covers keystone server at the omment and an updated analysis is definitely in order sinc e keystone has changed a TON since it split from Nova | 18:11 |
| notmorgan | as has ksm. | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | right | 18:11 |
| unrahul | so keystone middleware is the one that you are going to start with? | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | unrahul i think that was the initial plan | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | right notmorgan? | 18:12 |
| notmorgan | whatever was agreed to is what we are doing. :P | 18:12 |
| notmorgan | i am going to say sure ;) | 18:12 |
| gagehugo | yeah the three listed in the etherpad were the first goals I believe from the PTG | 18:12 |
| * notmorgan can only do so much being split in all the ways I am, so, defering to the notes taken from the meetings | 18:12 | |
| lbragstad | i believe that was the action item | 18:13 |
| knangia | ok | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | the goal was to see if we could get ksm done first | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | and since it is a smaller code base, i think that would be a good start? | 18:13 |
| notmorgan | i'm just glad folks are taking interest in this and helping to make those of us working on the VMT lives easier. | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 18:13 |
| unrahul | In any case, we need to have a well defined architectural diagram to identify background information and data flow paths, trust boundaries etc. | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | i was super relieved to hear that unrahul and knangia were working on this, too | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | unrahul so it coming up with that diagram the first step? | 18:14 |
| unrahul | So we need to have a latest architectural diagram first | 18:14 |
| unrahul | yes lbragstad | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | unrahul cool | 18:14 |
| knangia | yes, the architecture diagram should be the start | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | ok - so that'd be something we as the keystone team would be on the hook for | 18:15 |
| knikolla | we might also improve our developer docs in the process of this | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | then i assume we work on it together? | 18:15 |
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| lbragstad | knikolla ++ i was just thinking about that super old keystonemiddleware arch document we have | 18:15 |
| unrahul | And we are not actively working on the threat analysis, but yes have participated in the initial draft of barbican during our mid-cycle. We are willing to help in anyway we can, especially with michaelxin having extensive experience in the field. | 18:16 |
| knangia | https://openstack-security.github.io/collaboration/2016/04/26/threat-analysis-process.html | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | unrahul ok - do you need the diagram in any particular format? | 18:16 |
| knangia | for reference ^^ | 18:16 |
| unrahul | Here is a sample diagram of barbican https://github.com/openstack/security-analysis/blob/master/doc/source/artifacts/barbican/newton/architecture-page.rst | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | aha | 18:17 |
| unrahul | it was mostly done on draw.io | 18:17 |
| gagehugo | interesting | 18:18 |
| notmorgan | ah i was wondering what tool was used | 18:18 |
| unrahul | notmorgan: draw.io | 18:18 |
| * notmorgan has been using ascii-flow, but draw.io is way way cooler | 18:18 | |
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| knangia | cool tool | 18:18 |
| unrahul | A diagram such as this would enable us to identify data assets, its impact and how the system talks with the outside world | 18:19 |
| unrahul | notmorgan: ascii-flow is indeed cool :) | 18:19 |
| knangia | yes, so should know the assets, its impacts, trust boundaries with th help of diagram | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | is anyone from the keystone team interested in taking a stab at updating our ksm architecture doc and doing the diagram? | 18:20 |
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| lbragstad | fwiw - this would only be fore ksm initially | 18:20 |
| gagehugo | I'd be willing to help | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo awesome - anyone else feel like tag-teaming it? | 18:21 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:21 |
| gagehugo | I'm not a great artist though :( | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo that's what draw.io is for ;) | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | knikolla yeah? | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | knikolla gagehugo i'll put you both down for it then? | 18:21 |
| gagehugo | sounds good | 18:21 |
| knikolla | sounds good | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | sweet | 18:21 |
| knangia | cool ! | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | #action gagehugo and knikolla to start updating keystonemiddleware architecture doc and provide knikolla and unrahul with an updated keystonemiddleware architecture diagram | 18:22 |
| topol | o/ | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | #undo | 18:22 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #action gagehugo and knikolla to start updating keystonemiddleware architecture doc and provide knikolla and unrahul with an updated keystonemiddleware architecture diagram | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | #action gagehugo and knikolla to start updating keystonemiddleware architecture doc and provide knangia and unrahul with an updated keystonemiddleware architecture diagram | 18:22 |
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| lbragstad | knangia unrahul i assume once those things are done, we can start the next steps in the process | 18:23 |
| knikolla | knangia: unrahul: which irc channel can we usually find you? | 18:24 |
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| unrahul | lbragstad: knikolla we hang out mostly in #openstack-security | 18:25 |
| gagehugo | cool | 18:25 |
| knangia | +1 unrahul | 18:25 |
| unrahul | you guys are welcome to join and ping us or anyone of us there for help | 18:25 |
| knikolla | alright, added. | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | nice - i just joined | 18:26 |
| knangia | great | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | awesome - well it sounds like we have a path forward | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo knikolla thanks for being awesome and helping with this | 18:26 |
| unrahul | As this process is going on, it is a good idea to initiate discussions with the security team, by pining hyakuhei , who is the security PTL | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo knikolla do either of you have specific questions? | 18:26 |
| knikolla | at the moment no | 18:27 |
| gagehugo | lbragstad: not yet | 18:27 |
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| gagehugo | probably will later though | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo knikolla ack | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | unrahul knangia do either of you have specific questions for us? | 18:27 |
| knangia | hyakuhei can be a great assistance | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | awesome | 18:28 |
| gagehugo | knangia: noted | 18:28 |
| unrahul | nop, nothing as of now, may be talking with someone in barbican can give more advice on how to do the new process as well as they just finished theirs | 18:28 |
| knangia | not for now...probably later | 18:29 |
| unrahul | I think redrobot is the barbican point of contact | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | unrahul that makes sense, i assume we can hash that out in #openstack-security, too? | 18:29 |
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| knangia | yes | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | I'll put a note on next weeks agenda to keep this in the fore front | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | but I assume we'll come knocking when we have the diagram and everything ready to go | 18:30 |
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| lbragstad | unrahul knangia thanks for the time, answering questions, and being willing to help out | 18:31 |
| unrahul | lbragstad: anytime, ping us if you guys need any further help, or anything. | 18:31 |
| knangia | you're welcome :) glad to help | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | unrahul will do | 18:31 |
| gagehugo | will do! | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | alright - moving on | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | #topic PTG Topics | 18:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Topics (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:32 | |
| lbragstad | last meeting we parsed a bunch of back logged specs and PTG items | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | i've proposed some patches to update the keystone-specs repository accordingly | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | we only have a couple topics left | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | #topic PTG Topics: Decouple auth from API version | 18:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Topics: Decouple auth from API version (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:33 | |
| lbragstad | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/specs/keystone/backlog/decouple-auth-from-api-version.html | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | notmorgan i know we had a pretty detailed discussion about this at the PTG | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | notmorgan but since you have a better idea of how all that works, do you think the backlogged spec needs to be updated? | 18:34 |
| lbragstad | given the current state of keystone? | 18:34 |
| notmorgan | sooooo | 18:34 |
| dstanek | i remember talking about this, but i don't remember if we were going to get it done this cycle | 18:34 |
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| notmorgan | basically what needs to happen is we need to implement the new auth route for keysotne at /auth | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | dstanek i'm not sure either - but I for sure want to capture notmorgan's PoV on it | 18:35 |
| notmorgan | which takes an auth "version" or whatever we want to call it as part of the body/header/something | 18:35 |
| notmorgan | then we need to wire up /v3/auth and /v2.0/auth into the mechanism | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | the reasons for doing it seemed to make sense at the PTG and I think we should add them to the spec if we can, that way we don't lose the information | 18:35 |
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| notmorgan | so when those routes are hit, it converts to the expected form and passes across internally | 18:36 |
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| notmorgan | once that is done, we need to ensure ksa can talk to the new auth endpoint and know it's the new auth endpoint | 18:36 |
| notmorgan | so GET /auth would need to produce something interesting | 18:36 |
| notmorgan | it's not crazy nor super complex | 18:36 |
| edmondsw | what are the reasons? | 18:37 |
| notmorgan | it's just giving us flexability in auth without mucking with the crud interfaces | 18:37 |
| notmorgan | because iterating on /v3/auth is going to _require_ microversions and microversions for auth on the v3 interface is a terrible idea | 18:37 |
| notmorgan | it also allows us to maintain auth data if it doesn't need to change if we want to say do v4 api instead of microversions | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | because.... ? | 18:37 |
| edmondsw | this would require microversions as well, per the api guidelines | 18:37 |
| notmorgan | edmondsw: no. | 18:38 |
| knikolla | the new guidelines are pretty strict | 18:38 |
| edmondsw | notmorgan go read https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421846 | 18:38 |
| notmorgan | the guidelines are terrible if we have to put microversions on an endpoint like auth | 18:38 |
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| knikolla | they basically want to microversion any change, for interop reasons | 18:39 |
| notmorgan | microversions for CRUD interfaces is lazy and terrible. | 18:39 |
| notmorgan | but is fine because we already lost that argument | 18:39 |
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| notmorgan | knikolla: then i think i need to just stop talking. | 18:40 |
| notmorgan | scuttle the spec. just microversion things | 18:40 |
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| lbragstad | i thought there was discussion at the PTG that made microversions questionable | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | i mean - we already removed the microversion spec from our backlog | 18:41 |
| edmondsw | lbragstad within the keystone room... but outside of keystone microversions are winning the day | 18:41 |
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| notmorgan | if we don't do microversions in keystone, moving auth is super important | 18:41 |
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| notmorgan | because the headache of v2->v3 was auth | 18:42 |
| notmorgan | not the crud interface | 18:42 |
| notmorgan | the fact we tied auth to the api crud api was a big mistake in v2.0 | 18:42 |
| notmorgan | and carried into v3 | 18:42 |
| notmorgan | (predates everyone here except maybe dolphm) | 18:42 |
| notmorgan | if we do microversions in keystone and auth endpoint would need it too, i wont fight too hard for this | 18:43 |
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| notmorgan | i'll just let the folks doing microversions handle these cases. since it'll cover it | 18:43 |
| * notmorgan still thinks microversions are simply a terrible idea | 18:43 | |
| notmorgan | it comes down to keystone direction | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | notmorgan would you be interested in documenting the reasons for decoupling auth from versions in the spec? | 18:44 |
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| lbragstad | notmorgan even if it's just a simple list? | 18:44 |
| edmondsw | right... I don't disagree about microversions being awful. If keystone wants to hold out on not doing them, I'm fine with that. But we won't get that silly tag | 18:44 |
| notmorgan | edmondsw: i'd rather keystone didn't have that tag | 18:45 |
| dstanek | edmondsw: ++ for aiming for *not* having the tag | 18:45 |
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| edmondsw | :) | 18:45 |
| knikolla | we're special | 18:45 |
| notmorgan | lbragstad: the reasons are in the problem statement | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | we're just a bunch of rebels | 18:45 |
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| lbragstad | notmorgan ok - so the spec is accurate, even with all the changes in keystone since it was proposed? | 18:46 |
| notmorgan | yep | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | s/proposed/merged to backlog/ | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | ok | 18:46 |
| notmorgan | because auth hasn't really changed | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | ok - cool | 18:46 |
| notmorgan | the only things we might modify is make /catalog a top level bit as well | 18:46 |
| notmorgan | or similar | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | sounds like we can just leave it as is then for now | 18:46 |
| notmorgan | yep. | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | onward! | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | #topic PTG Topics: Materialized Path for HMT | 18:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Topics: Materialized Path for HMT (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:47 | |
| notmorgan | but like i said, if we're doing microversions, i just wont push hard for this and would just say might as well scuttle the spec | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | notmorgan sounds like we haven't gotten a definitive answer on that yet - but when we do i'll be sure to update accordingly | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/specs/keystone/backlog/materialize-project-hierarchy.html | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | this has been in backlog for a long time | 18:47 |
| notmorgan | i think we killed this a while ago | 18:48 |
| notmorgan | like all the code for it | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | yeah - i remember seeing an implementation for it somewhere, | 18:48 |
| notmorgan | it was -2'd and abandoned because of some reason? also no one is championing it anymore | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | it was in review for a long time/ | 18:49 |
| notmorgan | it's not a bad idea. | 18:49 |
| notmorgan | afair | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | no - it does sound useful | 18:49 |
| dstanek | i think we may need to revisit the problem again because of limits | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | right | 18:49 |
| notmorgan | i don't remember why it was killed | 18:49 |
| dstanek | not sure about the implementation though | 18:49 |
| knikolla | dstanek: let's derive a new problem statement once we figure out limits | 18:49 |
| dstanek | knikolla: there is no different in the fundamental issue | 18:50 |
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| lbragstad | from a performance perspective, we'll need this at some point if we do HMT I assume | 18:51 |
| dstanek | we simply need a more efficient way to grab hierachy info... the limits work will just dictate what we do with it | 18:51 |
| knikolla | dstanek: understood | 18:51 |
| dstanek | this probably isn't needed this cycle though | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | so it sounds like we need to follow up on this once we come to a more definitive conclusion of limits | 18:51 |
| dstanek | i'd even go further to say we can follow up after we have a working poc for limits | 18:52 |
| dstanek | then this would be an optimization | 18:52 |
| knikolla | dstanek: ++ | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | #action keystone group to follow up on materialized path for HMT once we come to a conclusion on limits | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | works for me | 18:53 |
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| lbragstad | i don't expect that to happen before Queens | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | moving on | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | #topic PTG Topics: Default Policy File | 18:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Topics: Default Policy File (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:53 | |
| lbragstad | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/keystone-specs/specs/keystone/backlog/policy-default.html | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | with all the work antwash and ravelar have been doing, I don't think this is need anymore | 18:54 |
| knikolla | this is obsolete by policy in code right? | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | yeah - i think so | 18:54 |
| edmondsw | yep | 18:54 |
| notmorgan | yep | 18:54 |
| ayoung | This grew out of the diesre to merge the curent ahd cloud sample approachs IIRC | 18:54 |
| ayoung | Ah...no...that one can die | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to remove policy default spec | 18:55 |
| ayoung | I didn;t realize it was still around. That was a vestige of the Dynamic policy effort | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | nice - that was easy | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | thanks for confirming | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | moving on | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | #topic Reviews | 18:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reviews (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:55 | |
| ayoung | pretty sure I wrote it | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | so we have some reviews to get around to - posted them here so that folks are aware | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | password hashing in keystone: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438808/ (bug: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1668503 ) | 18:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1668503 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) pike "sha512_crypt is insufficient, use pbkdf2_sha512 for password hashing" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Morgan Fainberg (mdrnstm) | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | Will need to be backported to all supported releases | 18:56 |
| notmorgan | nope | 18:56 |
| notmorgan | not being backported | 18:56 |
| notmorgan | too difficult to do w/o disruption | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | notmorgan isn't that what your note said? | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | notmorgan aha - maybe i misunderstood then | 18:56 |
| notmorgan | that is a master and forward change now | 18:56 |
| notmorgan | the note was originally that | 18:56 |
| notmorgan | it has changed post discussion in -keystone | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | ok | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | ok - cool | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | either way, we'll need to get some eyes on it | 18:57 |
| notmorgan | because it requires new config options etc | 18:57 |
| notmorgan | really is not backportable. | 18:57 |
| knikolla | true | 18:57 |
| ayoung | make sure it does not break LDAP | 18:57 |
| notmorgan | the ci failure it was seeing was unrelated | 18:57 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: only affects password storage | 18:57 |
| notmorgan | since ldap is non-write | 18:57 |
| ayoung | got it | 18:57 |
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| notmorgan | doesn't matter | 18:57 |
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| lbragstad | couple more | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | policy in code: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/policy-in-code+status:open+project:openstack/keystone | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | oslo.policy descriptions: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439070/ | 18:58 |
| notmorgan | the ci failure was testr binary/script in a non-expected location ftr | 18:58 |
| notmorgan | so, please review. | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | and finally - spec reviews | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | we have a bunch of things proposed to specs, but it looks like most either need to be abandon or updated to reflect discussions had at the PTG | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | spec proposal freeze will be in about 6 - 7 weeks | 18:59 |
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| lbragstad | but that's all I have | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | thanks for coming everyone! | 18:59 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 7 18:59:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-03-07-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-03-07-18.01.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-03-07-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
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| pabelanger | hello infra people | 19:00 |
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| pabelanger | fungi is absent today, and I've offered up to chair the meeting. | 19:00 |
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| pabelanger | Our schedule is pretty light today | 19:00 |
| Zara | hi! | 19:00 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: hello | 19:00 |
| Shrews | o/ | 19:00 |
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| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | we currently only a a single topic, so lets get to it | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 7 19:01:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pabelanger. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| pabelanger | I believe clarkb was successful in upgrading translate.o.o to xenial. | 19:02 |
| * mordred waves | 19:02 | |
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| SotK | o/ | 19:02 |
| pabelanger | I don't think we had any outages either, so good work | 19:02 |
| pabelanger | that was the only thing I had, moving on | 19:03 |
| pabelanger | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| pabelanger | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-02-28-19.03.html Minutes from last meeting | 19:03 |
| pabelanger | ianw launch a "beta" nodepool builder on xenial | 19:03 |
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| ianw | so i tried brining up a host on vexxhost as well | 19:03 |
| ianw | just for something different | 19:04 |
| ianw | hit some shade issues in the launch script https://review.openstack.org/440914 | 19:04 |
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| pabelanger | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440914/ | 19:04 |
| ianw | i also did a little hacking on the launch script | 19:04 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/440928 | 19:04 |
| ianw | which might be helpful | 19:04 |
| ianw | but, there is no builder yet :) will keep at it as time permits however | 19:05 |
| pabelanger | understood | 19:05 |
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| pabelanger | ianw: did you want me to recycle the action from this week for the next meeting? | 19:06 |
| ianw | pabelanger: i think just leave it with me, as it's not super high priority | 19:06 |
| pabelanger | ianw: great | 19:07 |
| pabelanger | if nothing else, we can move onto the next topic | 19:07 |
| pabelanger | #topic Specs approval | 19:07 |
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| pabelanger | #link https://review.openstack.org/434951 Stackalytics Persistent Cache | 19:07 |
| pabelanger | Still looking for some reviews on our stackalytics spec for mrmartin. | 19:08 |
| mrmartin | thnx | 19:08 |
| pabelanger | Also, does anybody know if we reached out to the stackalytics-core team for feedback? | 19:08 |
| pabelanger | mrmartin: do you mind doing that? | 19:08 |
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| mrmartin | not yet, but I'll ping them | 19:09 |
| pabelanger | great, I think fungi just wanted to give them a heads up, see what they thought | 19:09 |
| pabelanger | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:10 | |
| pabelanger | I didn't have anything specific here. Not sure if jeblair wanted to add anything on the topic of zuulv3? | 19:11 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: i wanted to discuss your tox changes, but you're the chair so i'll let you decide when to do that :) | 19:12 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: sure, that's our next topic. So we can move into that. | 19:12 |
| pabelanger | #topic Zuulv3 sample jobs (jeblair) | 19:12 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: after you sir | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger wrote some some basic jobs for zuulv3 | 19:13 |
| jeblair | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438281/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442180/ | 19:13 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438281/ | 19:13 |
| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442180/ | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | those are competing approaches to defining some basic tox jobs | 19:14 |
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| jeblair | i'd like folks who have an interest to take a look at both of them and weigh in on it | 19:14 |
| pabelanger | yes, reviews welcome please. | 19:14 |
| jeblair | particularly, whether one or the other is easier to follow or might be more mantainable if we use it as the base of our most common jobs in project-config | 19:14 |
| Shrews | Is there a tl;dr summarizing the different approaches? | 19:16 |
| Shrews | Maybe describe them in the commits? | 19:16 |
| jeblair | that would probably be helpful :) | 19:16 |
| pabelanger | yes, I can update them after meeting to describe the differences | 19:16 |
| Shrews | thx | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | for the most part, the differences are in the .zuul.yaml file | 19:17 |
| jeblair | (but to summarize here, i'd say the main question is how far we should parameterize our playbooks | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 19:18 |
| jeblair | roles, obviously yes, but playbooks? i think it's a legitimate question as to which is more easily understandable to casual users) | 19:18 |
| ianw | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438281/24/.zuul.yaml so the run_tox_env arg has disappared? | 19:19 |
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| ianw | disappeared even | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | ianw: yes, and been replaced by more playbooks | 19:19 |
| pabelanger | ianw: right, it is not needed because we provide 3 different playbooks, which setup there own specific job vars | 19:19 |
| ianw | ahh yes ok | 19:20 |
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| mordred | fwiw, 438281 reads nicer to me - but both are readable and understandable | 19:20 |
| pabelanger | so far, I like 438281 more, only because you don't need to mental map things from .zuul.yaml, at the cost of more playbooks in tree | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | but interest in others feedback | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | interested* | 19:21 |
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| jeblair | pabelanger: maybe a ml post would be good too to collect more feedback. | 19:23 |
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| pabelanger | sure, I can propose something on etherpad first, then send it along | 19:23 |
| mordred | pabelanger: also, it may feel better once the run-tox role fully replaces the run-tox.sh jenkins script and isn't just a passthrough | 19:23 |
| jeblair | good point | 19:24 |
| pabelanger | mordred: agree, for now I've been doing easy mode for our JJB to ansible conversion. | 19:24 |
| mordred | pabelanger: TOTALLY - and I think the exact right call | 19:24 |
| mordred | mostly just pointing out that some of the parameterization might feel artificial to folks when the role is just a shell call to a script | 19:24 |
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| mordred | so to sort of imagine that run-tox actually has the run-tox.sh logic in it when looking at these | 19:25 |
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| pabelanger | exactly | 19:25 |
| pabelanger | #action pabelanger to send ML post to get more feedback on our current run-tox playbooks / role | 19:26 |
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| pabelanger | This was our only topic for todays meeting, so if nothing else, we can move to open discussions | 19:28 |
| pabelanger | #topic Open discussion | 19:28 |
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| pabelanger | Seen a tweet about ubuntu 12.04 EOL next month (Apr-2017), since we still have a few servers running 12.04 we should think about a virtual sprint to fix that | 19:30 |
| mordred | pabelanger: speaking of ... | 19:30 |
| mordred | we have a server still running 10.04 | 19:30 |
| cmurphy | wow | 19:30 |
| mordred | maybe it's time to turn off old-wiki? | 19:30 |
| mordred | or maybe we should keep it to see how long it'll run ... | 19:31 |
| pabelanger | 10.04 really? | 19:31 |
| mordred | (for those who don't know, old-wiki is the very first vm that was ever spun up for openstack) | 19:31 |
| mordred | pabelanger: 10.04 was very modern when that vm was created | 19:31 |
| mordred | also - please don't let anyone tell you that cloud vms are not stable | 19:31 |
| mordred | since that vm was created, I believe I've had 6 different laptops :) | 19:32 |
| bkero | Snarf it down through wget --recursive, host that content somewhere static? | 19:32 |
| pabelanger | indeed, I didn't know old-wiki.o.o was a thing | 19:32 |
| mordred | oh - the content is not useful - it's all been migrated elsewhere to my knowledge | 19:33 |
| pabelanger | I was planning on talking with clarkb once he is back online, maybe for next meeting has a few options for a virtual sprint to do upgrades. I don't think we have many servers that are 12.04 right now | 19:33 |
| mordred | bkero: although I suppose we could also snapshot the machine image, then download it :) | 19:33 |
| ianw | we could just check it's in archive.org (for posterity) and zap it? | 19:33 |
| mordred | pabelanger: ++ | 19:34 |
| bkero | mordred: I have nothing I want on there, although if fears still exist about losing data, ianw or my option should alleviate those. | 19:34 |
| pabelanger | sounds like we might be able to end early today | 19:35 |
| mordred | oh wow - this is in my homedir: nova_0.9.0-0ubuntu0ppa1~lucid1bzr200.debian.tar.gz | 19:36 |
| pabelanger | ianw: what is needed for that? | 19:36 |
| Rocky_g | Capture it in the wayback machine, then kill it | 19:37 |
| ianw | robots.txt seems like it allows it | 19:37 |
| pabelanger | lets check with fungi when he is back online. But, I tend to agree with mordred, all the data has already been migrated. But, it would be good to understand, why it was still running | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | and with that, I'm going to end our meeting. | 19:39 |
| mordred | also - jbryce still has a shell account on the machine :) | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | #endmeeting | 19:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 7 19:40:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-03-07-19.01.html | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-03-07-19.01.txt | 19:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-03-07-19.01.log.html | 19:40 |
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| jroll | wow, the infra meeting is super short when fungi isn't running it :P | 19:59 |
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| lbragstad | jroll :) | 20:01 |
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| jroll | also I just realized no TC meeting this week | 20:01 |
| jroll | have fun in boston, whoever is there | 20:02 |
| lbragstad | aha - i forgot about that, too | 20:02 |
| Rocky_g | me three | 20:03 |
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| flanders_ | Morning/afternoon/evening to one and all, esp this hear for scientific-wg 😃 | 20:53 |
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| armstrong | Hello | 20:54 |
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| * flanders_ pours another cup of coffee in hopes of typing better... | 20:56 | |
| armstrong | is my typing too bad? | 20:56 |
| flanders_ | Apologies no armstrong | 20:57 |
| armstrong | ok hahaha | 20:57 |
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| flanders_ | Was referring to my previous message | 20:57 |
| flanders_ | Early in the morning here in Australia, so I'm still waking up :) | 20:58 |
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| armstrong | Oh I see | 20:58 |
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| oneswig | ... wait for it ... | 20:59 |
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| armstrong | you are far away ... hopefully I will be in Australia on the 18th | 20:59 |
| flanders_ | Come say hi armstrong I'm in Melbourne :) | 21:00 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 7 21:00:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:00 |
| armstrong | ok cool | 21:00 |
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| hogepodge | o/ | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Greetings all | 21:00 |
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| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_March_7th_2017 | 21:00 |
| oneswig | But really it's mainly about the Forum this session | 21:01 |
| flanders_ | G'Day | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hi hogepodge, flanders_, armstrong and all | 21:01 |
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| priteau | Hello | 21:02 |
| oneswig | martial will be a few minutes late (other meetings to attend to) | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Hi priteau | 21:02 |
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| armstrong | Hello oneswig | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Last week, the EMEA cohort got started on an etherpad... | 21:02 |
| hogepodge | I had one item to add to the agenda if we can squeeze it in. | 21:02 |
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| oneswig | hogepodge: sure, up front or any other business? | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | #link Forum ideas brainstorming https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-scientific-wg | 21:03 |
| hogepodge | it was reprinting the openstack in science books. someone from the wg had asked for them to be reprinted for docker con, but given the expense we were hoping to defer that to sc 17 with a possible content refresh | 21:04 |
| oneswig | hogepodge: I think a refresh is hoped for anyway, we started gathering data for a chapter on federation but hit a stumbling block (seems like there may be backwards compatibility issues wrt Ocata and domains - jmlowe did you find out more?) | 21:05 |
| jmlowe | I did not | 21:06 |
| hogepodge | sorry to bring this up out of turn on the agenda :-/ | 21:06 |
| oneswig | Alas, me neither | 21:06 |
| oneswig | hogepodge: I wouldn't call most of our meetings strictly linear :-) | 21:06 |
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| martial | (sorry, another meeting that would not end) | 21:07 |
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| oneswig | hogepodge: what date were you thinking of as a publish deadline? | 21:07 |
| oneswig | Hi martial | 21:07 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:07 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:07 |
| oneswig | martial: people are perusing https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-scientific-wg and we are discussing a second print run on the book | 21:08 |
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| hogepodge | we don't have a firm deadline, we would have to order books now for dockercon, and printing up old books means less budget for printing revised books | 21:09 |
| martial | hogepodge: yes, I was the one who was wondering about the book for DockerCon | 21:09 |
| oneswig | hogepodge: sounds like they are 6 months apart. | 21:09 |
| martial | How many people stopped by the booth last year? | 21:10 |
| armstrong | At Barcelona ? | 21:10 |
| jmlowe | hey, here we go, re: federation https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1642687 | 21:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1642687 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Missing domain for federated users" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Ron De Rose (ronald-de-rose) | 21:10 |
| martial | armstrong: sorry DockerCon 16 | 21:10 |
| martial | stig, we might want to also invite a couple people from the cyborg project to see us and discuss how they can help | 21:11 |
| jmlowe | users no longer go in a FEDERATED domain but now have a per IdP domain | 21:12 |
| martial | zhipheng is already getting in touch with blair on that | 21:12 |
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| oneswig | martial: you mean Cyborg team at a WG IRC meeting? | 21:13 |
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| martial | oneswig: I am going to see if I can come up with a small presentation on our Data Science model with benchmarking aggregation | 21:13 |
| hogepodge | martial: if we want to print them up, can you circle up with me offline for number, and also justification I can take back to the marketing team? | 21:13 |
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| oneswig | jmlowe: what are the consequences -does this prevent federated users from being co-tenants on a common project? | 21:13 |
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| b1airo | Morning and apologies - wheels have come off at home this morning | 21:14 |
| oneswig | b1airo: good morning | 21:14 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 21:14 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig | 21:14 |
| martial | hogepodge: I can get in touch with you, yes. I will be at DockerCon too | 21:14 |
| martial | b1airo: welcome / hopefully nothing too bad | 21:14 |
| jmlowe | afaik you just need to layout your mapping a little differently | 21:15 |
| oneswig | jmlowe: is this a major issue? Something worth articulating ... in a Forum etherpad for example? | 21:16 |
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| martial | oneswig: no, I meant for the cyborg team to stop by for a quick BoF maybe and introduce their work to us; they are looking for input/user stories on how they can help | 21:16 |
| oneswig | jmlowe: isn't federated user mapping something to keep as simple as possible, does it cause issues here? | 21:16 |
| jmlowe | I think it still needs a bit more research, docs still stay you have to map to groups but I was under the impression having spoken with the keystone devs that was actually a bug fixed in Newton | 21:16 |
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| oneswig | jmlowe: but it's keeping you from federating - was it digital globe? | 21:17 |
| martial | oneswig: zhipeng contacted me and I tried to put him in touch with b1airo, as our GPU / GPGPU expert | 21:17 |
| oneswig | martial: do you have a feel for how Cyborg differs from what's being talked about with the Nova placement scheduler? I'd be interested to see that clarified | 21:18 |
| b1airo | martial: yes I got the email, haven't looked yet though | 21:19 |
| martial | oneswig: not the best understanding, no, I agree; which is why I wanted to start this conversation with them | 21:19 |
| martial | DFFlanders: welcome | 21:19 |
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| oneswig | martial: think you can clarify this with Jim G? He's on the project isn't he? | 21:20 |
| jmlowe | I'm getting my group problem fixed, read only ldap groups that were not fully populated, I need to have a fairly sophisticated mapping as all of the usage accounting depends on tenant per activity with users having roles on multiple tenants | 21:20 |
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| martial | oneswig: I will talk to Jim | 21:20 |
| flanders_ | @martial: o/ | 21:20 |
| jmlowe | I share a lot of my ldap backend with Chameleon | 21:21 |
| oneswig | IU has fingers in many pies - is it a Chameleon site? | 21:21 |
| jmlowe | It's Kate Keahey's cloud research project at UT Austin and U Chicago | 21:22 |
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| martial | oneswig: Jim said he will find out :) | 21:22 |
| jmlowe | I believe priteau is part of that project | 21:23 |
| priteau | jmlowe: Jetstream uses TACC's LDAP? | 21:23 |
| martial | jmlowe: I beieve you are correct re priteau | 21:24 |
| priteau | yes I am | 21:24 |
| jmlowe | yes, it's insane | 21:25 |
| jmlowe | I create all kinds of problems for Akhil | 21:26 |
| priteau | jmlowe: we have moved away from an LDAP-backed Keystone. We now have a sync script to Keystone's MySQL DB | 21:26 |
| priteau | at least in our bare-metal clouds. KVM is still using LDAP directly | 21:26 |
| jmlowe | priteau: just identity, assignment is in sql | 21:26 |
| priteau | We use SQL for both | 21:28 |
| priteau | I can get you in touch with our admin if you want to perform the same kind of migration | 21:29 |
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| jmlowe | My federation goal is to do openid connect federation via globus auth and get xsede portal users mapped correctly to the tenants that their corresponding TACC users have roles on, if I can make it work I'd be happy to write it up for v2 of the book | 21:29 |
| DFFlanders | ftw! | 21:29 |
| martial | jmlowe: sounds great :) | 21:30 |
| oneswig | jmlowe: that is EXACTLY the kind of case study that would really add value | 21:30 |
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| martial | what is the next item on the agenda? | 21:33 |
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| oneswig | some folks are working through the etherpad - | 21:34 |
| oneswig | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-UC-brainstorming-scientific-wg | 21:34 |
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| b1airo | Hasn't been much Forum ML chatter that I've noticed yet... | 21:34 |
| oneswig | From what I've seen it's us and the Telco WG, plus Nova, Neutron who have made etherpads for brainstorming | 21:36 |
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| oneswig | Are there any thoughts on items that are missing from the Etherpad? | 21:38 |
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| DFFlanders | more to come, lots of discussions ongoing re forum as a new event. iterations will be needed. | 21:39 |
| martial | DFFlanders: yes it seems very different I must say | 21:39 |
| oneswig | DFFlanders: any issues that could be laid out here that would be relevant to the Boston Cloud Declaration? | 21:40 |
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| trandles | I'm interested in knowing if discussions of federation & Boston Cloud Declaration are taking into consideration FedRAMP. https://www.fedramp.gov/ It's a US gov't thing but for labs like LANL and (I presume) organizations like NIST it's an important consideration. | 21:44 |
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| martial | trandles: am here, but unfortunately not something I can comment on | 21:44 |
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| oneswig | Came up on the mailing list yesterday - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-March/012859.html | 21:46 |
| oneswig | mentioned in passing | 21:46 |
| trandles | gah, I missed that...thx for the link | 21:47 |
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| martial | trandles: I will obviously see what we can do here, but it is not something I am involved with | 21:47 |
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| martial | I will see who here is involved and see if they can join the converstaion | 21:48 |
| trandles | martial: It's fairly new to me too. Someone sprung it on me in a meeting yesterday. | 21:48 |
| flanders_ | oneswig: if we can all stay meta and observe how this forum goes (and resulting PTG), then I think we will iterate in feedback for Sydney. | 21:49 |
| martial | trandles: I am aware of it, we have to use cloud systems (not on premise) that are fedramp certified, so it is on our mind, trust me :) | 21:49 |
| martial | that said, it is not decided here either | 21:49 |
| martial | but I will see who at NIST is the right person to get this conversation started | 21:50 |
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| oneswig | flanders_: ok thanks, makes sense to find a working modus operandi before driving it too hard | 21:51 |
| flanders_ | trandles: ping the chairs of the Boston Declaration: Khalil and Wilfred. It is a higher level policy thing trying to get the funding agencies to agree some priority areas of which federation will be one. I doubt they will talk technical implementation. | 21:51 |
| trandles | flanders_: thx, will do | 21:52 |
| martial | flanders_: agreed | 21:53 |
| martial | trandles: cc me if you can, I just started reaching out here on this matter | 21:53 |
| oneswig | I think the etherpad has arrived at a steady state... any more contributions? | 21:54 |
| flanders_ | oneswig: +1 let's use Boston to experiment and iterate the forum from there. | 21:54 |
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| oneswig | flanders_: point of order here, what happens next? Is it that we fold the brainstorming sessions together and find common cause? | 21:55 |
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| b1airo | Still need to figure out if it is feasible to present at GTC in the middle of the Forum... | 21:56 |
| b1airo | Wrong coast | 21:56 |
| oneswig | They'll do a live video linkup for you, right? :-) | 21:57 |
| flanders_ | oneswig: the UC will make announcements on the ML | 21:57 |
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| oneswig | ah ok, will keep an eye out for that | 21:57 |
| flanders_ | In short, I'm not sure and will bring this up to UC chairs | 21:57 |
| martial | flanders_: ok, thanks | 21:57 |
| flanders_ | Keep the questions coming! | 21:58 |
| oneswig | Time's running low however | 21:58 |
| armstrong | when is launchpad switching to storyboard? | 21:58 |
| flanders_ | I'd like the scientific-wg to be the first to know it's features are being delivered (via the PTG) for its users. | 21:58 |
| b1airo | That would be nice! | 21:59 |
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| oneswig | A highly satisfying result indeed | 21:59 |
| flanders_ | Once list of forum activities are set let's think about which PTLs to invite to our sessions <-- future agenda item plz | 21:59 |
| b1airo | In other news we finished our DC move! | 21:59 |
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| martial | b1airo: congratulations :) | 22:00 |
| oneswig | armstrong: not sure - saw something about it happening but no dates nor further details... | 22:00 |
| armstrong | oneswig ok thanks | 22:00 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: good job. Can't wait to hear how you're going to top that one | 22:00 |
| flanders_ | b1airo: bonza! ;) | 22:00 |
| flanders_ | Are you available for squash now b1airo ? | 22:01 |
| oneswig | Perhaps b1airo you can help Melbourne Uni with their move now? | 22:01 |
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| b1airo | Usually the way it goes oneswig | 22:01 |
| flanders_ | +1 tru dat | 22:01 |
| oneswig | OK we are out of time. Thanks all, it's a wrap | 22:01 |
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| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| flanders_ | L8er :) | 22:01 |
| trandles | o/ | 22:02 |
| priteau | Bye everyone | 22:02 |
| oneswig | oh. The meeting hasn't ended. Does that mean we can't leave? | 22:02 |
| martial | thanks all, see you soon :) | 22:02 |
| armstrong | bye | 22:02 |
| martial | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 7 22:02:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| priteau | have we lost the bot? | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-03-07-21.00.html | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-03-07-21.00.txt | 22:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-03-07-21.00.log.html | 22:02 |
| oneswig | phew | 22:02 |
| martial | extra space :) | 22:02 |
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| b1airo | So slow this AI stuff | 22:04 |
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| martial | b1airo: using DIGIT on your GPU cluster? | 22:04 |
| b1airo | Has been played with yeah | 22:05 |
| martial | nvidia just released their v5 I believe | 22:05 |
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| b1airo | Yeah we need to do a driver upgrade and now we need different versions for Kepler versus GRID | 22:07 |
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