| ekcs | time for congress meeting. aimeeu thinrichs masahito ramineni_ | 00:00 |
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| masahito | hello, ekcs | 00:00 |
| ramineni_ | Hi | 00:00 |
| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 2 00:00:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
| aimeeu | good day everyone! | 00:00 |
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| ekcs | hi all! | 00:00 |
| ekcs | Hope everyone's having a good week = ) | 00:00 |
| ekcs | Here are the topics I have for today. Anything to add? | 00:01 |
| ekcs | Topics | 00:01 |
| ekcs | - RC1 | 00:01 |
| ekcs | - PTG topics | 00:01 |
| ekcs | - PTG social activity | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | ok then lets dive in | 00:03 |
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| ekcs | #topic RC1 | 00:03 |
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| ekcs | first an update on this crazy bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1659440 | 00:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1659440 in congress "Erratic row list behavior with cross-policy rule" [Critical,Fix committed] | 00:04 |
| ekcs | the synchronizer was adding and removing rules because somehow it kept adding the rule to the wrong policy or something like that. more details in the bug tracker. | 00:05 |
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| ekcs | I still don’t know the exact cause, but we’re fortunate that the issue seems to have gone away with a recent patch | 00:06 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416777/ | 00:06 |
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| ekcs | other than that, does anyone have what they consider to be release blockers for ocata? | 00:07 |
| ekcs | after reviewing the high priority bugs #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress, I didn’t find anything that was an absolute release blocker. | 00:09 |
| ekcs | but there were a couple that I’d really like to get fixed. | 00:10 |
| ekcs | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1657556 | 00:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1657556 in congress "ceilometer_driver fail to poll HTTPInternalServerError" [High,New] - Assigned to Anusha (anusha-iiitm) | 00:10 |
| ekcs | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1658263 | 00:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1658263 in congress "head-only rule fails to make policy table" [Medium,New] | 00:10 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: first one .. Need to just change except block to catch new exception right | 00:13 |
| ramineni_ | I can submit patch today for that | 00:13 |
| ramineni_ | Looks like simple one | 00:13 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: yes i think so. | 00:14 |
| ekcs | On the second bug, it just looks horribly broken to users because you create a rule a(1) and then congress says table a doesn’t exist. I think it’s a relatively simple fix, so I’d like to submit a patch for that today. | 00:14 |
| ramineni_ | When is RC release planned? | 00:15 |
| ekcs | unfortunately we’re wokring against a very tight rc1 deadline, so it’d be great if we can prioritize reviewing and merging these last min patches by Feb 2 18:00 UTC, then I can do some final tests and tag for release before Feb 3 UTC. | 00:16 |
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| ekcs | RC1 is due Feb 2. | 00:16 |
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| ramineni_ | Ok ..sure | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | Hi all —sorry I'm late. Meeting ran long | 00:17 |
| ekcs | hi thinrichs ! | 00:17 |
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| ekcs | we’re just talking about a couple quick things we’d like to try and fix and merge Feb 2 UTC (today). | 00:18 |
| ekcs | there are also some outstanding patches in review. | 00:19 |
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| ekcs | masahito: does this patch look good to you? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424505/ | 00:19 |
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| masahito | yup | 00:20 |
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| ekcs | ok then let’s go ahead and merge that. thanks = ) | 00:21 |
| masahito | I'll update the patch. I seemed to have an mistake. | 00:21 |
| ekcs | let’s also review and try to merge these two patches asap for RC1: | 00:22 |
| ekcs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424908/ | 00:22 |
| ekcs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427947/ | 00:23 |
| ekcs | I’ll submit my patch to #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1658263 in the next couple hours and tag you guys for review. | 00:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1658263 in congress "head-only rule fails to make policy table" [Medium,New] | 00:24 |
| ekcs | and ramineni_ you’ll try to submit a patch for #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1657556 for review? please tag us for that. | 00:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1657556 in congress "ceilometer_driver fail to poll HTTPInternalServerError" [High,New] - Assigned to Anusha (anusha-iiitm) | 00:24 |
| ramineni_ | Sure .. Will do that | 00:25 |
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| ekcs | awesome thanks a lot! | 00:25 |
| ekcs | any other thoughts on RC1? | 00:25 |
| ekcs | Ok then. I think we’re in pretty good shape this release thanks to everyone’s work and early testing. | 00:28 |
| ekcs | Hopefully we can actually release an RC1 this time that could be final RC = p | 00:29 |
| ekcs | #topic PTG topics | 00:29 |
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| ekcs | aimeeu and others have put down a lot of notes on PTG topics. #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-ptg-pike | 00:30 |
| ekcs | I have gone through and roughly organized them into categories. | 00:30 |
| aimeeu | thanks ekcs! | 00:30 |
| ekcs | testing, quality, maturity and maintenance (TQMM) | 00:30 |
| ekcs | Features:Policy library | 00:30 |
| ekcs | integration features | 00:30 |
| ekcs | internal features | 00:30 |
| ekcs | UI features | 00:31 |
| ekcs | new concepts | 00:31 |
| ekcs | may be a bit arbitrary but just a first cut. | 00:31 |
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| masahito | May I add a bit? | 00:32 |
| ekcs | between now and the PTG, we can all add topics and respond to other people’s topics with comments and questions. | 00:32 |
| masahito | It's no a git item. | 00:32 |
| masahito | s/git/big/ | 00:33 |
| ekcs | and set ourselves up to be familiar with the topics and having gotten some clarification questions out of the way, so we can hit the ground running at the PTG. | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: +1 | 00:33 |
| ekcs | masahito: yes please. that’s what the etherpad is for. | 00:34 |
| masahito | ekcs: thanks | 00:34 |
| ekcs | any thoughts on PTG topics right now? if not we can continue the discussion next week. | 00:34 |
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| ekcs | alrite then =) | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | I like the idea for pluggable proactive enforcement thru oslo.messaging | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | The problem of proactive enforcement would be a great one to crack. | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | I think it could substantially improve the update of Congress | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | s/update/uptake/ | 00:38 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs: proactive would be great. | 00:38 |
| ekcs | i’m a little confused tho as to what exactly is meant by enforement thourgh oslo.messaging. | 00:39 |
| ekcs | oslo-messaging has a mechanism that can be used to block an action in transit?! | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: I thought you added that. | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | Who knows how oslo-messaging could be applied to do proactive enforcement? | 00:40 |
| ekcs | i think aimeeu did. under barcelona notes, but I didn’t remember it from barcelona haha. | 00:40 |
| aimeeu | I blame it on Bryan - they were his notes, so maybe we did discuss it a bit | 00:41 |
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| aimeeu | did that have to do with somehow reading in policy.json? | 00:42 |
| ekcs | aimeeu: haha ok. it’d be great to understand better what he has in mind. I could shoot him an email. | 00:43 |
| ekcs | anyway let’s move on then. we’ll come back to this if we have time at end of meeting. if not, please continue the discussion on etherpad =) | 00:43 |
| ekcs | #topic Ocata QA | 00:44 |
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| ekcs | oh I forgot the mention back in RC1 topic. I've retargeted the QA tasks for ocata-final-rc which basically means ongoing for each RC. Also added the task for datasource node failover test masahito suggested. Any thoughts or questions about that? | 00:44 |
| ekcs | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bugs?field.tag=qa | 00:44 |
| ekcs | #topic PTG social activity | 00:45 |
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| ekcs | do we want to plan a dinner and/or activity at Atlanta? | 00:45 |
| thinrichs | I always enjoy that | 00:45 |
| masahito | +1 | 00:46 |
| ramineni_ | +1 | 00:46 |
| ekcs | +1 | 00:46 |
| aimeeu | We could decide where to go one we are there - lots of restaurants within walking distance | 00:46 |
| ekcs | thank aimeeu. I think we should at least nail down a day tho so it helps people with scheduling. | 00:47 |
| ekcs | do people have a good enough idea of their schedules to talk about day and time now? or we should come back to it next week? | 00:47 |
| aimeeu | agree - wed or thurs? | 00:48 |
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| thinrichs | Both days work for me | 00:48 |
| ekcs | same here. | 00:48 |
| ramineni_ | I'm also ok with both | 00:49 |
| masahito | both works for me | 00:49 |
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| ekcs | ok then. I guess it’s a matter of whether we prefer doing it middle of our work days or after our work days. | 00:50 |
| ekcs | congress work days at least. | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | Are there interesting non-restaurant activities nearby? | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | We'll probably be eating lunches together anyway. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | So I'd imagine mid-day would be mainly interesting if it's an outdoor activity that we'd want to do in the daylight | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | Hiking? | 00:52 |
| ekcs | good point on non-restaurant acitivity. | 00:52 |
| ekcs | oh when I say middle of our work days I meant between our work days. Wasn’t thinking about midday but that colud work. | 00:53 |
| aimeeu | may be some ideas here: http://www.atlanta.net/50Fun/by-neighborhood/ | 00:53 |
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| thinrichs | Sorry. Didn't get that we were picking the day. Thu seems more like a celebration since the core working days are done. | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | I'd lean toward Thu I guess. | 00:55 |
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| thinrichs | We're in the Downtown neighborhood? | 00:55 |
| aimeeu | Yes | 00:56 |
| ramineni_ | Yes | 00:56 |
| ekcs | i don’t have a strong preference either way on days. masahito ramineni_ aimeeu ? we don’t have to decide right now either. | 00:57 |
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| ekcs | would anyone like to volunteer to do a little bit of looking around and propose a couple ideas? | 00:57 |
| aimeeu | no preference either | 00:57 |
| ramineni_ | When everyone reaching Atlanta | 00:57 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: Sunday for me. | 00:58 |
| thinrichs | I haven't organized an outing before. I can look at some options. | 00:58 |
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| ekcs | ok thanks thinrichs . | 00:58 |
| masahito | ramineni_: Monday for me. | 00:58 |
| masahito | thinrichs: thanks | 00:59 |
| ekcs | #action thinrichs look at some PTG outing options | 00:59 |
| ekcs | ok then time’s about up. | 00:59 |
| aimeeu | ramineni_: Sunday afternoon | 00:59 |
| ramineni_ | Ok . Im reaching Sunday afternoon | 01:00 |
| ekcs | if you have a preference between wed and thu, please let us know next meeting. | 01:00 |
| ekcs | see you all next week! | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | Thanks all! | 01:00 |
| masahito | thanks all | 01:00 |
| ekcs | thanks all | 01:01 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 2 01:01:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-02-02-00.00.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-02-02-00.00.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-02-02-00.00.log.html | 01:01 |
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| ianychoi | helo! | 13:00 |
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| jpich | Hello! | 13:01 |
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| ianychoi | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 2 13:02:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:02 |
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| suh | hello I am Suhartono | 13:03 |
| ianychoi | jpich, hi :) How is en-gb translation going? | 13:03 |
| jftalta | Hi ! | 13:03 |
| ianychoi | suh nice to meet u here! | 13:03 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, hi! | 13:03 |
| ianychoi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting#Next_meeting_:_UTC_1300.2C_Feb_2 | 13:04 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Good, thanks to it I can test the job for the new tripleo-ui translation infrastructure now :) | 13:04 |
| suh | ok, nice to meet you too | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | This is today agenda i will follow it :) | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | jpich, wow nice! suh: :) | 13:05 |
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| ianychoi | #topic Translation progress w.r.t. StringFreeze | 13:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Translation progress w.r.t. StringFreeze (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:05 | |
| ianychoi | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 13:07 |
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| jftalta | The Fr Horizon translation is close to the end. A couple hours of work remain. | 13:08 |
| ianychoi | Current is during freezes :) | 13:08 |
| jftalta | Btw, there is a new member in the french team. His name is Mateusz Kowalski (makowals) | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | Aha i see I am seeing on Gerrit :) | 13:10 |
| ianychoi | suh, how is Indonesian translation going? | 13:11 |
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| ianychoi | adiantum, hello r u online now? | 13:12 |
| adiantum | yep , i'm here | 13:13 |
| jftalta | Hi adiantum | 13:13 |
| ianychoi | hi adiantum :) | 13:13 |
| adiantum | jftalta: hi | 13:13 |
| adiantum | ianychoi: hi | 13:13 |
| ianychoi | #info adiantum is Ocata string freeze manager. | 13:13 |
| ianychoi | If there are some issues, feel free to tell us :) | 13:14 |
| suh | Indonesian translation for Ocata release is OK | 13:14 |
| ianychoi | adiantum, sorry we might need a notice again soon. How do h think about it? | 13:15 |
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| ianychoi | suh, nice! | 13:15 |
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| adiantum | ianychoi: ok, sure, we need to anounce Har StringFreeze | 13:15 |
| adiantum | *Hard | 13:15 |
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| ianychoi | Yep let's consider a new notice :) | 13:16 |
| ianychoi | #topic Improve release note translation import criteria | 13:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Improve release note translation import criteria (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:17 | |
| adiantum | ianychoi: btw, will we include info about translation progress in the anouncement? | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383622/ | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | adiantum, good idea :) | 13:18 |
| ianychoi | The link is what amotoki proposed a few months ago but I unfortunately missed.. | 13:18 |
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| amotoki | oh... meeting time | 13:19 |
| ianychoi | IMO release note includes all descriptions for all the releases so I agree with amotoki :) | 13:19 |
| amotoki | i just noticed it | 13:19 |
| ianychoi | oh hi | 13:19 |
| ianychoi | I want to listen to other translators for opinions | 13:19 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, suh, adiantum are u translating release nites? | 13:20 |
| ianychoi | s/nites/notes | 13:20 |
| adiantum | ianychoi: in plan but still in progress | 13:20 |
| jftalta | Fr : this work has just began. Only 4% done for the moment :( | 13:21 |
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| amotoki | in the current import threshold, we need to translate the threshold (80%?) of all releases. | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | I agree that translating release notes is difficult. How about applying lower criteria for release notes? | 13:22 |
| jftalta | Hi amotoki ! | 13:22 |
| adiantum | amotoki: hi! | 13:22 |
| amotoki | my idea is to allow import if at least one release like newton/ocata satisfies the threshold. | 13:23 |
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| jftalta | ianychoi : would it make sense to lower criteria ? | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | i agree with amotoki but with in the same cycle (for example, now >= 75 percent for Ocata) | 13:24 |
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| amotoki | the threshold can be changed I think | 13:25 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, i am inclined to >= 75% for current+non-EOL releases | 13:25 |
| amotoki | I think some example help you all. | 13:25 |
| ianychoi | but it is just my draft idea | 13:25 |
| amotoki | horizon release note is like http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/horizon/ | 13:25 |
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| amotoki | when I talk about Japanese community, after the current mechanism of release notes, translation of release notes is less attractive to all | 13:27 |
| amotoki | because the volume is too high and it is not handy. | 13:27 |
| suh | thank, Indonesia (id) is in the horizon release notes | 13:27 |
| amotoki | (that's my honest impression so far) | 13:28 |
| ianychoi | i agree with amotoki :) But I want to ask: do suh jftalta and adiantum feel the same as amotoki ? | 13:28 |
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| ianychoi | In I18n team for me perspective overall feedback is important for defining a criteria | 13:29 |
| adiantum | i agree | 13:29 |
| ianychoi | my perspective means the role for PTL | 13:29 |
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| jftalta | yes, it's true | 13:30 |
| amotoki | we are discussing two things. (1) do we have an interest of translating release notes (when considering the current volume)? (2) do we need a special criteria for release note translation? | 13:30 |
| amotoki | I think we are discussing (2), but my last comment above is about (1). | 13:31 |
| amotoki | if an answer for (1) is no, discussing (2) is not useful. | 13:31 |
| jftalta | F | 13:32 |
| jftalta | sorry... | 13:32 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, thanks for clarification :) | 13:32 |
| ianychoi | for me 1) is yes and 2) would be >= 75 % for non-EOL releases | 13:33 |
| jftalta | Infact, I think french OpenStack users feel fine with english release notes | 13:33 |
| jftalta | *in fact | 13:33 |
| ianychoi | hmm i see then jftalta my suggested criteria for release notes is fine then? | 13:34 |
| ianychoi | suh, i think u translated a lot! Doesn't it? :) | 13:34 |
| jftalta | yes it is. +1 | 13:35 |
| suh | Yes, I do just only translation | 13:35 |
| amotoki | regarding Japanese team, I think we don't have enough resources to translate *release notes*. only horizon have good translation of release notes. | 13:35 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks jftalta and suh | 13:35 |
| jftalta | suh : and what about reviewing ? | 13:35 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, fine for this! | 13:36 |
| suh | I do not contribute other isssue | 13:36 |
| amotoki | for me 1) is yes but i have a question if it is doable. 2) +1 for per-release criteria | 13:36 |
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| amotoki | (useful if someone have an interest on translating it) | 13:36 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, btw is it possible to implement such functionality: considering >= 75% per release? | 13:38 |
| amotoki | ianychoi: that's the review I proposed and you linked before | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | okay.. then i am fine :) but please wait a little bit more :) | 13:40 |
| suh | For reviewing, I might focus on improving quality of my translation. | 13:40 |
| ianychoi | i will finalize around ptg by publicizing through mailing list and the discussion with release team | 13:41 |
| amotoki | sounds good to me | 13:41 |
| ianychoi | thanks :) | 13:42 |
| ianychoi | #topic Planning for Pike PTG | 13:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Planning for Pike PTG (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:42 | |
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| ianychoi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-pike | 13:42 |
| ianychoi | Please fill out if u r available | 13:43 |
| jftalta | done for me | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | with topics :) There will be the deadline for receiving attendees and topics (might be within a few days) | 13:44 |
| -amotoki- honestly has not decided what sessions I join on Mon-Tue. | 13:44 | |
| ianychoi | amotoki, haha u r so famous OpenStack guy :) | 13:46 |
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| ianychoi | #topic Preparation for Boston Summit | 13:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Preparation for Boston Summit (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:48 | |
| ianychoi | Who will attend to Boston Summit? or are interested in? | 13:48 |
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| adiantum | i'm interested and will try to attend | 13:50 |
| adiantum | but not sure yet | 13:50 |
| ianychoi | adiantum, oh good | 13:50 |
| ianychoi | I am thinking about 1 Forum session and a panel session | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | If adiantum and jftalta are interested please tell me | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | More idea is needed | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | since the due for a panel session is 6th feb i need to hurry | 13:52 |
| jftalta | I'll be in Boston :) | 13:52 |
| jftalta | I think Boston I18n session will be useful | 13:53 |
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| ianychoi | #topic Open discussions | 13:54 |
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| ianychoi | Anything else?? | 13:55 |
| jftalta | Boston is the place to be. Because it might be the last US forum for a while... | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, yep might be because of Trump... | 13:55 |
| jftalta | That's what I meant | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | :) | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | suh, how is your 1st irc meeting?! | 13:56 |
| suh | Yes, it is very nice meeting | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | suh, thanks a lot ! | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, adiantum jpich amotoki thanks today! | 13:58 |
| jpich | :) | 13:58 |
| suh | So do I | 13:58 |
| adiantum | ianychoi: thank you | 13:59 |
| adiantum | thanks all! | 13:59 |
| jftalta | Thank you all ! | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 2 13:59:22 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-02-02-13.02.html | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | :) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-02-02-13.02.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-02-02-13.02.log.html | 13:59 |
| amotoki | bye | 13:59 |
| suh | bye | 13:59 |
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| oomichi | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 2 17:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| jordanP | hello ! | 17:00 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 17:00 |
| oomichi | hello, who can join today? | 17:00 |
| afazekas | o/ | 17:00 |
| oomichi | oh, my typing is slow | 17:00 |
| andreaf | o/ | 17:00 |
| jordanP | (I can only attend 40min) | 17:01 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 17:01 |
| DavidPurcell | o/ | 17:01 |
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| oomichi | cool, many people join | 17:01 |
| oomichi | ok, lets get start | 17:01 |
| oomichi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_February_2nd_2017_.281700_UTC.29 is agenda | 17:01 |
| tosky | o/ | 17:01 |
| oomichi | #topic PTG | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
| oomichi | as openstack-dev ml, the room capacity and something is not clear for PTG | 17:02 |
| luzC | o/ | 17:02 |
| oomichi | so we don't know how many topics can run in parallel | 17:02 |
| oomichi | at this time | 17:02 |
| oomichi | I feel we don't need to concentrate on the same topic by all people | 17:03 |
| jordanP | we will see there, I guess | 17:03 |
| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, I hope so | 17:03 |
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| jordanP | yeah, we can run several effort in parallel, depending on who is interested in doing what | 17:03 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, that will be productive | 17:04 |
| castulo | o/ | 17:04 |
| luzC | I was wondering if we will add time for the agenda topics - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-ptg-pike | 17:04 |
| oomichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-ptg-pike is nice to write more ideas | 17:04 |
| oomichi | luzC: yeah, +1 for schedule | 17:05 |
| oomichi | it would be useful for getting attendees for specific topic | 17:05 |
| oomichi | then we need capacity to make schedule | 17:05 |
| luzC | yes, specially if they are planning on attending other session | 17:05 |
| oomichi | luzC: yeah, nice point | 17:06 |
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| andreaf | it would be nice to have a kind of agenda / priority lists so that we can go through the most important topics first | 17:06 |
| jordanP | next topic ? | 17:07 |
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| andreaf | but I would not want to be too strict in terms of times, as we may find out that a topic takes very little time and another one longer than we expected, and we have more flexibility than in the usual design summit | 17:07 |
| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, I hope debugging test failures would be first priority now | 17:07 |
| luzC | andreaf +1 | 17:08 |
| oomichi | andreaf: yeah I prefer mid-cycle meetup style | 17:08 |
| jordanP | yeah, let's gather with a list of topics and once we are all here, see how it goes | 17:08 |
| oomichi | jordanP: +1 | 17:08 |
| oomichi | ok, can we move on if more topcis for PTG? | 17:08 |
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| oomichi | #topic Spec reviews | 17:09 |
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| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:09 |
| oomichi | we have several specs and they are still under discussion | 17:10 |
| oomichi | do we have topics for them today? | 17:10 |
| oomichi | ok, lets move on | 17:11 |
| oomichi | #topic Tempest | 17:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:11 | |
| jordanP | not related to Tempest striclty, but we have a lot of job failures today | 17:11 |
| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, we face | 17:11 |
| rodrigods | i have a question about tempest, specific to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427345/ | 17:12 |
| jordanP | is there something to do ? 3 days ago gate was fine and now it's in a really bad state | 17:12 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: I face different failures randamly | 17:13 |
| jordanP | rodrigods, don't ask to ask a question, just ask it | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: have you helped try to categorize the failures; http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/integrated_gate.html | 17:13 |
| rodrigods | sure :) | 17:13 |
| rodrigods | the problem is because this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590578 | 17:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1590578 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "global role should not be able to imply domain-specific role" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Mikhail Nikolaenko (mnikolaenko) | 17:13 |
| rodrigods | of this bug* | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | that's what bugs me it's clearly bad (you can look at o-h for the graphs) but not many people are working on categorizing the failures so we can track them | 17:14 |
| rodrigods | the fix wasn't backported to Mitaka, so Mitaka job fails | 17:14 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: oh, never see the page. how to categolize that? by LP? | 17:14 |
| rodrigods | what is the best approach? use a feature flag? | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: submit an elastic recheck query | 17:14 |
| jordanP | rodrigods, then either wait or introduce a feature flag | 17:14 |
| mtreinish | rodrigods: so the api behaves differently between mitaka and newer versions? Yeah you either add a feature flag or just wait for mitaka eol | 17:15 |
| rodrigods | cool | 17:15 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: oh, that is cool way. OK, I will do that from my patch list | 17:15 |
| rodrigods | thanks mtreinish jordanP | 17:15 |
| andreaf | some of the failures are related to libvirt crashes, as jordanP pointed out - but something worse in the past one or two days | 17:16 |
| andreaf | the libvirt ones are all tracked in e-r as far as I know, but no-one stepped up to look at the issue | 17:16 |
| andreaf | do we have any libvirt person close to the openstack community that may help here? | 17:17 |
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| oomichi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111347.html | 17:17 |
| oomichi | from jordanP | 17:17 |
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| jordanP | andreaf, we used to have daniel beranger | 17:17 |
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| dmellado | hey guys, I'm late today and I'll have to leave soon but o/ | 17:18 |
| jordanP | and we have kashyap also | 17:18 |
| jordanP | but the libvirt thing is not what we are seeing today, not only | 17:18 |
| jordanP | today is worse | 17:18 |
| oomichi | yeah, hard to merge patches on current condition | 17:19 |
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| oomichi | we are trying to fix bugs on tempest, but the patches could not be merged recently | 17:20 |
| oomichi | the bug triage graph is #link https://github.com/oomichi/bug-counter#current-graph | 17:20 |
| oomichi | the bug number still is decreasing, but that is low progress | 17:20 |
| oomichi | the graph is a little odd anyways :) | 17:21 |
| oomichi | due to data lack | 17:21 |
| oomichi | this week, I triaged bugs as assignee and the report is #link https://github.com/oomichi/bug-counter#current-graph | 17:22 |
| oomichi | ops, that is #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 17:22 |
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| oomichi | I want to get eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304441 for fixing a bug | 17:23 |
| andreaf | oomichi: sure I will have a look at it | 17:24 |
| andreaf | oomichi: but I don | 17:24 |
| andreaf | but I don't think it's Tempest bugs causing gate instability | 17:25 |
| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, Tempest is just detecting bugs of different projects in general | 17:25 |
| andreaf | still it's great to see the graph shrinking :) | 17:25 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: haha, yeah the number could be managable | 17:26 |
| oomichi | do we have more topics of Tempest today? | 17:26 |
| andreaf | just one thing more from my side | 17:27 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: please go ahead | 17:27 |
| andreaf | we have an issue with reboot_hard where sometimes the host keys are not flushed to disk | 17:27 |
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| andreaf | and the sshd server fails to start on reboot | 17:28 |
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| mtreinish | andreaf: I thought we landed a patch at some point that add a sync call over ssh before we rebooted | 17:28 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, 'sync' command doesn't work before hard-reboot? | 17:28 |
| andreaf | there's a patch available in cirros to make the sshd server regenerate the host keys on reboot | 17:28 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: yes we did | 17:28 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: but apparently it's not enough | 17:28 |
| andreaf | mtreinish: or something else is going on - but in either case at the moment we fail with not able to connect to ssh port | 17:29 |
| andreaf | which is kind of misleading, as it's not a problem with network, just the sshd deamon that fails to start | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | hmm, do we wait for a fresh prompt after the call? Because if we just send sync\n over ssh and then reboot right after there could be a race there | 17:29 |
| andreaf | so a new release of cirros could fix that | 17:29 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: well as far as I know our exec method waits for a return code | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | ok | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | I couldn't remember | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: have you talked to smoser about a new release? | 17:30 |
| andreaf | but even a flush on the OS is no guarantee that the virtualisation layer will actually flush it's own caches to the disk | 17:31 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: yes I did I have a branch ready and I built an image and tested it here #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427456/ | 17:31 |
| andreaf | it seems to be working ok, even though now we have noise on the gate | 17:32 |
| andreaf | I also tested this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421875/ | 17:32 |
| andreaf | force deleting host ssh keys before reboot | 17:32 |
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| andreaf | so I would now ask smoser for a new release and propose a devstack patch to adopt it | 17:33 |
| andreaf | unless there is any concern with this plan | 17:33 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: ok, that sounds like a good plan | 17:33 |
| jordanP | andreaf did you open a pull request for cirros? | 17:33 |
| andreaf | yes https://code.launchpad.net/~andrea-frittoli/cirros/+git/cirros/+ref/bug_1564948 | 17:34 |
| jordanP | good | 17:34 |
| andreaf | it's on top of branch 0.3 so only 2 commits | 17:34 |
| oomichi | andreaf: the problem has been fixed on cirros side, so this could happen on the other OS? or cirros specific? | 17:35 |
| andreaf | because there's a lot more on master | 17:35 |
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| andreaf | oomichi, mtreinish: yeah I feel a reboot hard test will never be 100% safe really but we can make stable enough for the gate so we can test reboot | 17:36 |
| jordanP | andreaf, good, as smoser expected | 17:36 |
| oomichi | andreaf: yeah, that is a nice direction | 17:36 |
| andreaf | the alternative would be to not test reboot at all in the integration gate, but that would be a pity since it's a feature which is probably quite used | 17:37 |
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| oomichi | andreaf: yes, reboot feature is used in common use cases and nice to keep the corresponding tests on the gate | 17:37 |
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| jordanP | (i have to go, sorry) | 17:38 |
| oomichi | ok, lets move to the next topic if we can | 17:38 |
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| oomichi | #topic DevStack + Grenade | 17:38 |
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| afazekas | we might ask the vm to shut down properly, before hard reset, and wait for a power down message on the serial console .. | 17:39 |
| oomichi | afazekas: that could be soft-reboot? | 17:39 |
| mtreinish | on devstack one topic to keep an eye on is in this ML thread: | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/111413.html | 17:40 |
| mtreinish | it's not directly related to devstack, but just OOM issues in the gate | 17:40 |
| afazekas | oomichi, On soft reboot the vm does expected to do it, but no . We would ask a booted vm to halt in safe way over ssh, before actually cutting of the power by a big hammer. | 17:40 |
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| oomichi | afazekas: the soft-reboot is trying to wait for vm gralceful reboot internally and hard-reboot after timeout in nova side IIUC | 17:42 |
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| * afazekas I usually also drop the caches before hard reset, but we can search for what is really sufficient | 17:43 | |
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| castulo | also I submitted a fix for a bug in Grenade a few days back: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424807/ in case you guys can take a look at it. It is for a bug that does not happen in the gate but happens when running Grenade locally | 17:43 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: Interesting, the memory usage is still increasing on releases | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424807/ | 17:43 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: it's been a steady trend since juno (when we first started seeing oom in the gate) | 17:44 |
| afazekas | oomichi, yes, it pushes the power button softy on the vm, the vm has acpi signal handler which initialize the safe shutdown, if it does not stops the vm in time, nova uses the big hammer.. | 17:44 |
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| oomichi | mtreinish: can we increase memory capacity on the gate? or need to try reducing the usage on each project side? | 17:45 |
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| oomichi | afazekas: yeah, you are right. and the big hammer could erase the cache | 17:45 |
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| mtreinish | oomichi: we need to work on the memory footprint of the services. Requiring > 8GB per vm isn't really a good solution | 17:46 |
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| mtreinish | and it'll just be a matter of time until we hit whatever new amount of ram we allocate | 17:46 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: it would be nice to see the memory footpring graph on o-h or something for each releases | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | oomichi: we don't collect that data anywhere. No one has done real memory profiling of the python | 17:47 |
| mtreinish | if we have the data, making the graph is the easy part :) | 17:47 |
| oomichi | mtreinish: nice point, just a rough idea :) | 17:48 |
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| oomichi | I guess this kind of memory footprint could be useful for production as reference also, and nice to share | 17:49 |
| oomichi | OK, lets move on if we don't have more topic about them | 17:49 |
| oomichi | #topic openstack-health | 17:49 |
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| oomichi | do we have topics about o-h today? | 17:49 |
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| oomichi | #topic Patrole | 17:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patrole (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:50 | |
| oomichi | DavidPurcell: do we have topics about patrole? | 17:50 |
| DavidPurcell | A couple if that's okay | 17:50 |
| oomichi | DavidPurcell: please go ahead | 17:50 |
| DavidPurcell | I've already added these to the PTG discussion stuff as they all involve a bit of work. | 17:50 |
| DavidPurcell | First off, a lot of projects (glance, neutron, etc) don't return the correct response when a role is rejected | 17:51 |
| oomichi | DavidPurcell: cool, thanks | 17:51 |
| DavidPurcell | Usually it is a 404 NotFound instead of 403 Forbidden. | 17:51 |
| oomichi | DavidPurcell: nice testing :) | 17:52 |
| DavidPurcell | Thanks :) | 17:52 |
| oomichi | is that different tenant case? | 17:52 |
| DavidPurcell | It varies. | 17:52 |
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| DavidPurcell | Sometimes it is just because you're not admin | 17:53 |
| afazekas | Some cases 404 is used if someone just trying to randomly guess resources, not have the idea is it exists or not | 17:53 |
| DavidPurcell | but they return 404 for whatever reason... | 17:53 |
| oomichi | I guess 404 also could be an option because different tenant users cannot see the other tennant resources | 17:53 |
| oomichi | ok, this is a good chance to discuss the ideal behavior | 17:53 |
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| DavidPurcell | oomichi: Very possible, but some of them are just very obvious oversights. | 17:54 |
| oomichi | DavidPurcell: yeah, really nice test for me anyways | 17:54 |
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| DavidPurcell | Another question we had involves tempest plugins for projects that want to use Patrole. For example Murano wants to add Patrole tests. | 17:54 |
| DavidPurcell | But that is currently not possible without either duplicating their clients in Patrole and putting the tests in Patrole | 17:55 |
| DavidPurcell | or somehow enabling them to import Patrole | 17:55 |
| oomichi | DavidPurcell: yeah, and patrole is on first dev stage, and difficult to provide stable interfaces | 17:55 |
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| oomichi | but it is great to attract the different projects by patrole | 17:56 |
| DavidPurcell | oomichi: and I'm not sure how I feel about a plugin importing another plugin. | 17:56 |
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| oomichi | DavidPurcell: that could be topic of PTG :) | 17:56 |
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| DavidPurcell | oomichi: already on the etherpad :) | 17:57 |
| oomichi | DavidPurcell: cool, ok can we move on the next topic: open discussion? | 17:57 |
| DavidPurcell | sure | 17:57 |
| oomichi | #topic critical review/open discussion | 17:57 |
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| oomichi | the time is comming | 17:57 |
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| oomichi | so do we have patches or discussion topics? | 17:58 |
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| oomichi | ok, lets end the meeting. thanks all :) | 17:59 |
| oomichi | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 2 17:59:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-02-02-17.00.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-02-02-17.00.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-02-02-17.00.log.html | 17:59 |
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| dtroyer | OSC meeting time: dhellmann, rtheis, stevemar, sheel, huanxuan, thingee, ankur-gupta-f | 19:00 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 19:05 |
| stevemar | just switched desks | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | #startmeeting | 19:06 |
| openstack | dtroyer: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 19:06 |
| stevemar | lol | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 19:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 2 19:07:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 19:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:07 |
| stevemar | you should have used "Marketing COmmittee" | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | heh | 19:07 |
| dtroyer | #topic release status | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release status (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 19:07 | |
| dtroyer | So 3.8.1 is out and is the stable/ocata branch | 19:08 |
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| stevemar | nice | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | also osc-lib, os-client-config and cliff are all branched too now | 19:08 |
| stevemar | http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/python-openstackclient/unreleased.html | 19:08 |
| stevemar | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/python-openstackclient/unreleased.html | 19:08 |
| stevemar | release notes ^ | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | while on that subject, fixing up release notes in both mitaka and master is in queue, suffering form (I think) the rash of libvirt issues | 19:09 |
| stevemar | recheck recheck recheck recheck | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | I hate to keep doing that, it encourages others to do that too without understanding the failures… I've seen a bit of that the last couple of days | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | #topic reviews | 19:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reviews (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 19:10 | |
| dtroyer | that said, are there any open reviews we should discuss? | 19:11 |
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| stevemar | i've been heads down on keystone stuff | 19:11 |
| stevemar | haven't looked at open changes for a while | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | I've started cleaning up some of the osc-lib/occ workarounds | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | kk | 19:11 |
| stevemar | i WAS going to look at neutronclient stuff | 19:11 |
| stevemar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416321/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340763/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409759/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396727/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/409819/10 | 19:12 |
| stevemar | i'm worried that neutron commands are drifting a bit from our prescribed command structure | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | of course they are… I'll take a minute to go look at them too | 19:13 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: "a minute" -- they are huge | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | maybe that's my Boston conf talk… how to design a CLI | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | there is only so much we can do in plugins it's the resource naming I worry about the most | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | also, I added the volume v3 topic to the PTG list, Justin is not going to be there but I think we have a couple of things to decide | 19:15 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: what would you think about putting the purge command and other things like that into a plugin repo? | 19:16 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: we could | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | maybe an admin-y repo that has more sharp edges than the regula user stuff | 19:16 |
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| stevemar | eh, then half the keystone commands could go there | 19:17 |
| stevemar | "admin-y" is not a good logical division | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | I don't mean all admin-only, just the not-your-usual-stuff. purging is a Big Deal | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | ok, yes, maybe extended-value-added commands | 19:18 |
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| dtroyer | purge is the only one I have in mind right now | 19:18 |
| stevemar | i'm glad that jordan is hooked in, he maintains ospurge | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | ah, cool | 19:18 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: "just-get-me-a-vm --image ubuntu" | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | he has been pretty helpful lately | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | yes, things like that, although I'm not sure I'd want that one in the same plugin as purge :) | 19:19 |
| stevemar | true | 19:19 |
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| dtroyer | the other thing I want to explore is what mordred is doing with "direct REST" in shade, very similar (in concept) to how we did object and some of the image API bits | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | it's the low-level API I've wanted since the beginning | 19:20 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: alleviate the need on python-*client | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | I don't like the idea of yet-another-repo to install, but merging those might be very useful between OSC and shade | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | it's on my list of things to talk to mordred in ATL | 19:21 |
| stevemar | i'm still confused why shade is in openstack-infra | 19:22 |
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| dtroyer | initial convenience, now inertia | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | it was for nodepool and turned out to be actually useful | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | elsewhere | 19:22 |
| stevemar | yeah | 19:23 |
| stevemar | i would love to de-couple from glanceclient | 19:23 |
| stevemar | that things brings in all sorts of junk | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | that's the first priority | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | and why as mich of it exists in openstackclient.api as does | 19:24 |
| stevemar | it does? | 19:24 |
| * stevemar gives dtroyer a skeptical look | 19:24 | |
| dtroyer | not a lot, but more than any other except obejct-store | 19:24 |
| stevemar | oh look at that | 19:25 |
| stevemar | just image_list | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | I think we're using that for image list at least | 19:25 |
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| stevemar | should we use the SDK or bake our own stuff? | 19:25 |
| dtroyer | I really really really want a lower-level API than the SDK. Still. and what is happening in Shade is confirming that is not a Bad Idea | 19:26 |
| stevemar | the sdk doesn't have all the stuff the that glanceclient has :( | 19:26 |
| stevemar | https://github.com/openstack/python-glanceclient/tree/master/glanceclient/v2 ugh | 19:27 |
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| dtroyer | I don't have much else here… | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 19:28 |
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| stevemar | i should make a glanceCLI vs OSC spreadsheet like i did with cinderCLI vs OSC | 19:29 |
| stevemar | i think the guys on the team appreciated it? | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | yeah, it was a plce to see what is actually done already | 19:29 |
| stevemar | if we can get one less CLI in openstack by EOY, i'll be happy | 19:29 |
| stevemar | i suspect nova and swift will around for a loooong time | 19:30 |
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| stevemar | swift will never go away for obvious reasons | 19:30 |
| dtroyer | I doubt we'll get anyone of the core projects to remove theirs | 19:30 |
| stevemar | keystone left :D | 19:30 |
| stevemar | neutron is deprecated | 19:30 |
| stevemar | glance should be an easy win | 19:30 |
| stevemar | cinder ... *shudders* | 19:30 |
| smcginnis | :) | 19:30 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: you guys are as stubborn as your project name | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | there is still too much "loss of control" felt by the teams to want to give those up | 19:31 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: i say that with love | 19:31 |
| smcginnis | A bunch of block heads. ;) | 19:31 |
| stevemar | ba-dum tsst | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | see now I always think f the "smoldering embers" connotation with cinder | 19:31 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | but then I was there wneh we pulled it out of nova | 19:32 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: pulled it out? | 19:32 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: you mean ctrl+c -> ctrl+v ? | 19:32 |
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| dtroyer | anotherjesse basically did a cp -r nova cinder and started git rm'ing stuff | 19:33 |
| * mordred haves to dtroyer and stevemar - reads scrollback real quick | 19:33 | |
| dtroyer | mordred: you are implicated in yet another plot to overthrow something | 19:33 |
| mordred | yay! | 19:33 |
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| dtroyer | at least I'll have company | 19:34 |
| mordred | well, fwiw, we've gotten rid of glanceclient and swiftclient so far and some tiny bits of novaclient. neutronclient is up next | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | luckily you don't need every corner case in shade :) | 19:34 |
| mordred | indeed. | 19:35 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: how are you planning the PTG? | 19:35 |
| mordred | in any case, I _definitely want to chat with y'all about this topic at the PTG | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | I'm listing stuffs in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-ptg-pike | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | no schedule yet though, but I think other things I need to pay attention to happen on Tuesday so I'm leaning toward doing OSC-y things Monday | 19:36 |
| stevemar | sounds good | 19:37 |
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| stevemar | theres a few usability things we could improve with auth and such | 19:37 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: did we ever get any usable metrics on speed? | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | I've not returned to that since Austin | 19:38 |
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| dtroyer | but I'm running dwarf locally on my new NUC and OSc feels _really_ snappy with it :) | 19:39 |
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| dtroyer | dwarf == very minimal OpenStack APIs wrapped directly around libvirt | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | kida what nova was at Bexar release, less multi-node | 19:40 |
| stevemar | ah | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | lets me use the same tools (OSC!) to manage my dev work | 19:40 |
| stevemar | i was just googling that | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | https://github.com/juergh/dwarf | 19:40 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: he should move to OSC :P | 19:42 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: oh oh | 19:42 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: did you want to release our meta package? | 19:43 |
| stevemar | do a 0.1 ? | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | yes, but I was thinking it might wait until after the ff/rc crush | 19:43 |
| stevemar | there are no tests for it :) | 19:43 |
| stevemar | https://github.com/openstack/openstackclient | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | since it isn't goign to be an Ocata deliverable | 19:43 |
| stevemar | makes snese | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | also, I've wondered about how we should version it | 19:44 |
| stevemar | some folks had wanted it | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | if that's what we talk about users installing, that's yet one more version to trac | 19:44 |
| dtroyer | keep it's versions matched (at leas x.y) between both repos? | 19:45 |
| stevemar | hmm | 19:46 |
| stevemar | i hadnt thought of that, but that makes sense | 19:46 |
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| stevemar | maybe do an initial 0.1? then 3.8.0 ? | 19:47 |
| stevemar | or whatever py-osc is at | 19:47 |
| dtroyer | yeah, 0.y and what would have been 1.0 becomes py-osc | 19:47 |
| stevemar | ack | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | and that's a good short name for the existing repo, thanks! | 19:48 |
| stevemar | we should outline goals that we want to hit in Pike | 19:48 |
| stevemar | py-osc vs osc :D | 19:48 |
| ankur-gupta-f1 | hi sorry I am late | 19:48 |
| ankur-gupta-f1 | anything to be aware of | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | hey ankur-gupta-f1, we're just chatting about random stuff | 19:49 |
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| ankur-gupta-f1 | okay. I did have a question. Any example of how to introduce a new endpoint/service into SDK | 19:50 |
| ankur-gupta-f1 | thinking Octavia | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | mostly what you might need to know is that I'm being slow to merge new things that are not bug fixes or tests for a little while yet. | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | it keeps the process a bit cleaner if we need to do a quick bug-fix release | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | SDK stuff needs to go to briancurtin | 19:50 |
| ankur-gupta-f1 | dtroyer: That is what i was thinking. Slow reviews makes sense. Have conveyed it to teamates with remaining neutron commands | 19:51 |
| ankur-gupta-f1 | will take a look at launchpad later today | 19:51 |
| ankur-gupta-f1 | how are we in terms of functional/unit test coverage? | 19:52 |
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| stevemar | ankur-gupta-f1: lots of stuff needs to be converted to the new format | 19:52 |
| ankur-gupta-f1 | json or regex? | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | our test coverage is overall pretty weak still. Network is in pretty good shape there compared to most of the others | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | json | 19:52 |
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| dtroyer | please | 19:53 |
| dtroyer | I think I gave stevemar hives when he saw "import re" | 19:53 |
| ankur-gupta-f1 | haha | 19:53 |
| stevemar | the json format is so nice | 19:53 |
| ankur-gupta-f1 | improves readability too | 19:53 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: a light seizure maybe | 19:53 |
| dtroyer | it's turned out to be pretty clean | 19:53 |
| stevemar | i'll start hacking at the identity tests | 19:53 |
| stevemar | easy enough | 19:53 |
| dtroyer | one more tiny-bit-o-news I just remembered: reno handles editing relnotes from prior releases properly (I didn't know that had been fixed) | 19:54 |
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| dtroyer | also, when https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427842/1 merges we'll have complete stable series notes | 19:55 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: whuaaa | 19:55 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: what if you re-name the note? | 19:56 |
| dtroyer | I didn't try that, but I think reno matches filenames, so different names at different points in the git history is likely to be bad? | 19:56 |
| stevemar | yeah, darn | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | within a release series it is still ok | 19:57 |
| stevemar | eh | 19:57 |
| stevemar | master will still be funky | 19:57 |
| stevemar | i'll give it a shot and see what happens | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | ankur-gupta-f1: I'm guessing you will not be at the PTG? | 19:58 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: reedip will be | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | oh, good | 19:59 |
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| ankur-gupta-f1 | I fought very hard. But they won't be. Reedip can rep the neutron team | 19:59 |
| ankur-gupta-f1 | hes probs a better person to have anyways :p | 19:59 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: do you know if huanxuan will be there | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | I don't think any of the OSIC guys who have been contributing to OSC will be there :( | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | I havent heard about huanxuan recently, I do recall him not thinking he would due to the travle | 19:59 |
| stevemar | should have applied for travel support! | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | and with that we're out... | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | thanks guys! | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 2 20:00:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2017/openstackclient.2017-02-02-19.07.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2017/openstackclient.2017-02-02-19.07.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2017/openstackclient.2017-02-02-19.07.log.html | 20:00 |
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| filow | hi there, i need some help with the openstackclient. I'm trying to run the example but it seems there is something not updated with the last commit. Does anyone try to run the example from the git? | 20:15 |
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| dtroyer | filow: please come to #openstack-sdks for discussion, this is a meeting room… | 20:16 |
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| filow | thanks | 20:17 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Feb 2 21:01:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:01 |
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| * Vek waves | 21:01 | |
| trevormc | o/ | 21:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:01 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:01 |
| * bauzas waves | 21:01 | |
| markus_z | o/ | 21:01 |
| macsz | developers developers developers | 21:01 |
| macsz | \o | 21:02 |
| dtp | \0 | 21:02 |
| diana_clarke | o/ | 21:02 |
| cdent | /o\ | 21:02 |
| raj_singh | o/ | 21:02 |
| efried | o/ | 21:02 |
| mriedem | ok let's get started | 21:02 |
| tonyb | \o | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #link meeting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:03 | |
| mriedem | #link Ocata release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Ocata_Release_Schedule | 21:03 |
| mriedem | #info Today (Feb 2nd) is the target for Ocata RC1 | 21:03 |
| mriedem | #link Current RC1 TODOs: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ocata-rc1-todos | 21:03 |
| mriedem | as you can see, we have 8 possible rc blocking bugs | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | all have patches up, some are approved | 21:03 |
| mriedem | i've already talked to the release team about rc1 being tight, | 21:04 |
| mriedem | and dims_ told me i can take all the time i need : | 21:04 |
| mriedem | :) | 21:04 |
| Vek | :) | 21:04 |
| dims_ | within reason :) | 21:04 |
| mriedem | not really, but trying to make sure we get the real blocking stuff in | 21:04 |
| mriedem | of which we have at least one i know of | 21:04 |
| mriedem | questions? | 21:05 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:05 | |
| mriedem | #link ocata-rc-potential bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=ocata-rc-potential | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:06 |
| mriedem | the last big gate issue bug that i was tracking is merged | 21:06 |
| bauzas | can we decouple the branch from the tagging? I thought not | 21:06 |
| mriedem | but ES is off the rails so we don't really know from logstash | 21:06 |
| mriedem | bauzas: i don't know | 21:07 |
| mriedem | we aren't going to branch ocata before rc1 though, | 21:07 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I ask for that because of all the implications our stable branch has for requirements or other stuff | 21:07 |
| tonyb | bauzas: technically you *can* branch after rc1 (ie rc2) but that could be trick and you'd need dhellmann to agree to it | 21:07 |
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| tonyb | bauzas: you *cant* branch befoer rc1 | 21:08 |
| mriedem | i don't plan on not creating stable/ocata from rc1 | 21:08 |
| bauzas | tonyb: yeah and that would delay other things I guess | 21:08 |
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| bauzas | okay, we have a plan | 21:08 |
| mriedem | third party ci | 21:08 |
| mriedem | markus_z: was your thing in here for this week? | 21:08 |
| mriedem | (markus_z) IBM zKVM CI asks for permission to post comments to Nova changes | 21:08 |
| bauzas | my question was more about the fact rc1 could be tagged quite late | 21:08 |
| markus_z | mriedem, yep, it's meant for today | 21:08 |
| bauzas | but I'm fine | 21:09 |
| tonyb | mriedem: for the record the longer nove delays the ocata branch the longer requirements are frozen ... I don't have a problem with that ... just saying | 21:09 |
| mriedem | tonyb: let them eat cake | 21:09 |
| mriedem | ok markus_z go | 21:09 |
| * tonyb doesn't even know that what means | 21:09 | |
| mriedem | tonyb: google french revolution | 21:09 |
| markus_z | not much to tell, we like to post comments on Nova patches from our CI | 21:09 |
| markus_z | sandbox communication tests worked so far | 21:10 |
| mriedem | markus_z: if it's just commenting and not voting i'm fine | 21:10 |
| mriedem | as for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420079/1/nova/cmd/manage.py i assume you've figured that out by now? | 21:10 |
| markus_z | mriedem, only commenting first. | 21:10 |
| markus_z | mriedem, I haven't, no. Any clues? | 21:11 |
| mriedem | markus_z: i can't really get into it here, or probably today | 21:11 |
| mriedem | with rc1 | 21:11 |
| mriedem | so let's talk tomorrow | 21:11 |
| markus_z | I'm not in office until Tuesday. If you could ping andreas_s, that would be great. Otherwise Tuesday is fine too. | 21:12 |
| mriedem | #info ibm zkvm third party CI will start commenting (not voting) on nova changes | 21:12 |
| mriedem | markus_z: tell them to ping me | 21:12 |
| markus_z | cool, thanks | 21:12 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:12 | |
| mriedem | #info Deadline for submitting talks at the Pike summit is February 6th: https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/call-for-presentations/ | 21:13 |
| mriedem | jay is doing something on resource providers, dan is doing something on cells v2 | 21:13 |
| mriedem | i heard a rumor that PTLs need to do something on releaes highlights per project in general, but no one told me | 21:13 |
| mriedem | so i'm going to pretend it didn't happen | 21:13 |
| mriedem | #topic Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 21:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:13 | |
| mriedem | stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 21:13 |
| mriedem | #help We need reviews on stable/newton after the ocata-rc1 is done. | 21:14 |
| mriedem | i'm guilty of not paying much attention to stable/newton, | 21:14 |
| bauzas | roger | 21:14 |
| mriedem | but hope to get back on that after the ocata release | 21:14 |
| mriedem | or things cool down | 21:14 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 21:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:14 | |
| mriedem | there wasn't a cells v2 meeting this week | 21:14 |
| mriedem | edleafe: anything to highlight for scheduler | 21:14 |
| melwitt | there was technically, it was just me and dansmith | 21:14 |
| edleafe | Discussed the issue with the RT patch creating "pure" ironic resource representations that would make them unreturnable to the scheduler, since the flavor extra_spec work to support ironic classes hasn't been done | 21:15 |
| edleafe | Agreed to have both the custom ironic resource class as well as the old-style VCPU, etc., resources in placement for Ocata, and drop the old-style once we supported ironic classes in a request. | 21:15 |
| edleafe | We lamented that the CORS patch (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392891) didn't make it into Ocata | 21:15 |
| edleafe | that's about it | 21:15 |
| mriedem | i hope there was gnashing of teeth | 21:15 |
| edleafe | much | 21:15 |
| mriedem | excellent | 21:15 |
| * cdent has not teeth left | 21:15 | |
| cdent | nor typing skills | 21:15 |
| mriedem | tdurakov: live migration subteam highlights | 21:15 |
| mriedem | ? | 21:15 |
| tdurakov | hi | 21:15 |
| tdurakov | 2 things to bring up from live-migration meeting: | 21:16 |
| tdurakov | - serial console hook required review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347471/ | 21:16 |
| tdurakov | - claims for l-m: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244489/ - once updated, requires review as well, all improvements will be done in subsequent patches | 21:16 |
| mriedem | those are all pike at this point | 21:16 |
| mriedem | tdurakov: not sure if you're aware, but we have an rc potential bug for xen live migration https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424428/ | 21:16 |
| mriedem | that no one has really reviewed yet | 21:16 |
| bauzas | tdurakov: live-mig claims are an old story | 21:16 |
| bauzas | tdurakov: mostly because the patch is very hairy | 21:17 |
| tdurakov | bauzas: old, true, but need to be finished | 21:17 |
| bauzas | tdurakov: could we imagine some better iterative approach ? | 21:17 |
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| tdurakov | bauzas: we could improve it forewer | 21:17 |
| bauzas | let's discuss offline on it | 21:17 |
| mriedem | so again, | 21:17 |
| mriedem | fellas | 21:17 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424428/ | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | ^ would be a priority for the live migration subteam for rc1 | 21:18 |
| mriedem | reviews would be much appreciated, | 21:18 |
| tdurakov | mriedem: ok, will take a look | 21:18 |
| mriedem | would like john to review that, but he's been helping with other fires | 21:18 |
| mriedem | and we don't have multinode xenserver ci to test live migration which kind of sucks | 21:18 |
| mriedem | ok moving on | 21:19 |
| mriedem | i doubt anyone is around from the api subteam meeting | 21:19 |
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| cdent | it was cancelled | 21:19 |
| mriedem | but i think the main thing this week was getting the server sort/filter whitelist api-ref and release note out | 21:19 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421760/ | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | which alex_xu split the release note part out into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428285/ | 21:19 |
| mriedem | so ^ is the priority for rc1 | 21:20 |
| mriedem | since we can do the api-ref in pike | 21:20 |
| mriedem | the -1s on it are for English nits | 21:20 |
| mriedem | i don't see anyone around from the sriov/pci subteam | 21:20 |
| mriedem | notifications meeting highlights from gibi: | 21:21 |
| mriedem | No critical bugs | 21:21 |
| mriedem | Notification related release notes has been merged | 21:21 |
| mriedem | #topic ptg planning | 21:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ptg planning (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:21 | |
| mriedem | #link Pike PTG planning: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-pike | 21:21 |
| mriedem | the etherpad she is a fillin up | 21:21 |
| mriedem | that will all be shaken out after rc1 | 21:21 |
| mriedem | anything for ptg? | 21:21 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuck reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:22 | |
| mriedem | nothing in here, and nothing that would probably get in today anyway | 21:22 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:22 | |
| mriedem | #link FYI on a proposal to deprecate support for postgresql: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427880/ | 21:22 |
| mriedem | anything else? | 21:22 |
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| mriedem | if not i've got parent/teacher conferences for a 5 year old to get to, very important | 21:23 |
| mriedem | thanks everyone | 21:23 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Feb 2 21:23:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-02-02-21.01.html | 21:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-02-02-21.01.txt | 21:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-02-02-21.01.log.html | 21:23 |
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| armax | hi, no drivers meeting today if people are wondering | 21:46 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: drivers meeting? | 22:02 |
| blogan | kevinbenton: 15:46:15 armax | hi, no drivers meeting today if people are wondering | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | /o/ | 22:04 |
| armax | kevinbenton: you above anyone else wondering? | 22:05 |
| armax | you mocking me? | 22:05 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: no | 22:14 |
| armax | ok | 22:14 |
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