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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 03:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2016-10-11_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
| shubhams_ | Shubham | 03:00 |
| yanyanhu | hello | 03:00 |
| kevinz | hello | 03:01 |
| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting Namrata shubhams_ yanyanhu kevinz | 03:01 |
| hongbin | pause a few more seconds for potential attendees | 03:01 |
| Wenzhi | hello | 03:01 |
| hongbin | hey Wenzhi | 03:01 |
| hongbin | kevinz: you are the first time to attend the zun meeting? | 03:02 |
| cloud_player | hello | 03:02 |
| hongbin | cloud_player: hi | 03:02 |
| hongbin | ok, let's start | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:03 | |
| hongbin | i have no announcement | 03:03 |
| hongbin | anyone else has an announcement? | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:03 | |
| hongbin | none | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #topic Support interactive mode (adisky) | 03:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Support interactive mode (adisky) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:04 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-interactive-mode The BP | 03:04 |
| hongbin | it looks adisky is not here | 03:04 |
| hongbin | anyone else want to discuss this topic? | 03:04 |
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| hongbin | ok, next one | 03:05 |
| hongbin | #topic Container image store (mkrai) | 03:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Container image store (mkrai) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:05 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/glance-integration The BP | 03:05 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383678/ The patch (WIP) | 03:05 |
| shubhams_ | hongbin: mkrai is not here but I will give the updates for this one | 03:05 |
| hongbin | shubhams_: thx | 03:05 |
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| kevinz | Hi Hongbin, it is my second time :-) | 03:06 |
| shubhams_ | mkrai is working on image driver and she has added patch for it as the link you posted | 03:06 |
| hongbin | kevinz: i see, will give you a chance to introduce yourself later | 03:06 |
| shubhams_ | I am working on image endpoints and added a patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380298/ | 03:06 |
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| kevinz | hongbin: Thanks~ | 03:06 |
| shubhams_ | Both of these pacthes are being worked upon and hope that this week should be able to get good progress | 03:07 |
| shubhams_ | Thats all! | 03:07 |
| hongbin | thanks shubhams_ , it is a good progress for this bp | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | next one | 03:07 |
| hongbin | #topic Container network (hongbin) | 03:08 |
| shubhams_ | thanks | 03:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Container network (hongbin) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:08 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/neutron-integration The BP | 03:08 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365754/ The proposed spec | 03:08 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380646/ The patch (WIP) | 03:08 |
| hongbin | i think the spec is close to merge | 03:08 |
| hongbin | sudipta gave a -1 a few weeks ago, but i talked to him and he didn't seem to have any concern anymore | 03:09 |
| hongbin | for others, would like to have your input in the spec :) | 03:09 |
| Wenzhi | sounds it's ready to go | 03:09 |
| hongbin | yes, it already got two +2 | 03:09 |
| hongbin | however, it is an important patch so would like to have more +2 to approve | 03:09 |
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| hongbin | in addition, there is a wip patch for the implementation | 03:10 |
| hongbin | i have been working on this patch in a week | 03:10 |
| shubhams_ | hongbin: lot of work has been done. Will surely check this but I have +1 only ;) | 03:10 |
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| Wenzhi | bravo | 03:10 |
| Wenzhi | oh, it's a huge one | 03:10 |
| hongbin | shubhams_: thx | 03:10 |
| hongbin | yes, it will be tough for folks to review :) | 03:11 |
| hongbin | however, i think it is close to remove the wip | 03:11 |
| hongbin | hope to merge it before the summit | 03:11 |
| hongbin | that is all from me | 03:12 |
| Wenzhi | hope so, will help to review | 03:12 |
| hongbin | Wenzhi: thx | 03:12 |
| Wenzhi | np | 03:12 |
| hongbin | any comment on this topic? | 03:12 |
| shubhams_ | hongbin: none from my side | 03:12 |
| Namrata | none from my side too | 03:12 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:12 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:13 | |
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| hongbin | kevinz: cloud_player : i see you are news here. want to introduce yourself? | 03:13 |
| kevinz | Yeah, Thanks~ | 03:14 |
| kevinz | My honor to join zun team. This is Kevin Zhao from ARM Shanghai, I'm also a member from Linaro SDI team. I have some experience in Nova and Devstack. I began to involve into OpenStack in May this year. | 03:14 |
| hongbin | kevinz: cool | 03:14 |
| shubhams_ | welcome kevinz | 03:14 |
| cloud_player | ok, my pleasure. I'm from Huawei and a developer on Iaas. My name is Xu Xiao Jun | 03:14 |
| Wenzhi | welcome! | 03:15 |
| cloud_player | I'm base on Beijing | 03:15 |
| kevinz | Thanks everybody | 03:15 |
| hongbin | cloud_player: welcome | 03:15 |
| shubhams_ | welcome cloud_player | 03:15 |
| Namrata | welcome kevinz cloud_player | 03:15 |
| Wenzhi | welcome! | 03:15 |
| hongbin | kevinz: cloud_player : mind sharing your interest to the zun project as well | 03:16 |
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| hongbin | for example, what is your interest in this project | 03:16 |
| hongbin | what are your expection? | 03:16 |
| hongbin | etc. | 03:16 |
| cloud_player | I have not much idea about the zun, just intresting in that it's related with container and docker | 03:17 |
| hongbin | cloud_player: cool | 03:17 |
| kevinz | OK since I am working on docker kill , I find that maybe my interests is about the container driver part | 03:18 |
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| hongbin | cloud_player: i could talk to you later about what this project about | 03:18 |
| hongbin | kevinz: i see | 03:18 |
| cloud_player | we are doing some works in microservice which is base on docker and container, and happend to know a new container project bored this year. then i'm here . :) | 03:18 |
| hongbin | cloud_player: i see | 03:19 |
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| hongbin | zun is for building an API for container operations | 03:19 |
| hongbin | the goal is to provide container management service for openstack | 03:20 |
| hongbin | i can talk about that more offline | 03:20 |
| cloud_player | @hongbin, it's glad to talk with you later | 03:20 |
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| kevinz | Yeah It's a good chance to integrate openstack with containers | 03:20 |
| kevinz | +1 @hongbin glad to talk offline | 03:21 |
| hongbin | kevinz: sure | 03:21 |
| hongbin | all, is there any other topic to discuss? if not, let's end this meeting earlier | 03:22 |
| hongbin | ok, it looks that is all | 03:23 |
| hongbin | all, thanks for joining the meeting | 03:23 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 03:23:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-10-11-03.00.html | 03:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-10-11-03.00.txt | 03:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-10-11-03.00.log.html | 03:23 |
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| eranrom | #startmeeting storlets | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 08:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eranrom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storlets)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storlets' | 08:00 |
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| eranrom | Hi. | 08:00 |
| takashi | o/ | 08:00 |
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| eranrom | Hi Takashi. Should we wait for Kota or start? | 08:01 |
| takashi | eranrom: just pinging kota_ | 08:01 |
| eranrom | takashi: thanks! | 08:02 |
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| takashi | eranrom: no replies | 08:04 |
| eranrom | takashi: ok, so lets start. | 08:05 |
| takashi | eranrom: I think we can start. I think he'll join if he can | 08:05 |
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| takashi | eranrom: +1 | 08:05 |
| eranrom | #topic design session | 08:05 |
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| eranrom | So we have a fb and a wr one after the other on Wed. and I would like to update the schedule with the the topics | 08:06 |
| takashi | eranrom: great! | 08:06 |
| eranrom | I think that other then those two sessions we can decide there. | 08:06 |
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| eranrom | I was thinking to devote the fb for spark - which may interest a broader group and the wr to deep dive. If no one comes to either of them we can just use the time for our selves | 08:07 |
| eranrom | alternatively, we can split the fb to spark and deep dive | 08:08 |
| eranrom | depending on poeple's interest | 08:08 |
| takashi | eranrom: agree | 08:08 |
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| eranrom | ok, so maybe I will write spark and deep dive for both sessions and we will split the time according to interest | 08:09 |
| eranrom | does it make sense? | 08:09 |
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| takashi | eranrom: +1 | 08:09 |
| eranrom | great. | 08:10 |
| eranrom | #action eranrom to update schedule | 08:10 |
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| eranrom | #topic beg-tent updates | 08:10 |
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| eranrom | takashi: anything from your side? | 08:10 |
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| takashi | eranrom: no big updates. I still have some problem around package installattion, which seems to be caused some updates in dependency packages | 08:11 |
| takashi | I'm going to set up clean environment to test that, but still need some more time | 08:12 |
| eranrom | takashi: ok, thanks! | 08:12 |
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| takashi | IMO it is better to discuss about its overview in design summit, before merging it | 08:12 |
| eranrom | takashi: sure! | 08:13 |
| eranrom | takashi: I believe you have placed it on the etherpad. | 08:13 |
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| takashi | eranrom: I already added the one | 08:14 |
| eranrom | takashi: yep. thought so. thanks | 08:14 |
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| takashi | I think we can also start dicsussing some ideas about storlets host-only installation, based on the packaging work | 08:15 |
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| eranrom | I have been working on testr integration - no big deal. I could not, however, find a way to see progress as we see with nosetests | 08:15 |
| eranrom | I will try to look at other projects | 08:15 |
| eranrom | Swift does not seem to use it at all (although it has .testr.conf) | 08:15 |
| takashi | eranrom: I think swift is using testr for functional tests | 08:16 |
| takashi | if I remeber correctly | 08:16 |
| * eranrom looking | 08:16 | |
| takashi | eranrom: I will check it and let you know if I find any information | 08:17 |
| eranrom | takashi: I think you are right. it is there. | 08:17 |
| eranrom | This is basically all I had. | 08:17 |
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| eranrom | Anything from your side? | 08:18 |
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| takashi | eranrom: nothing for today | 08:18 |
| eranrom | takashi: ok so we gewt back 40 mins :-) | 08:19 |
| takashi | maybe we should check the existing work items for big-tent joining at design summit | 08:19 |
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| takashi | I think you previously tried to bring some topic around keystone version used for gate testing | 08:19 |
| takashi | eranrom: ^^^ Is that already solved? | 08:20 |
| eranrom | takashi: not yet. | 08:20 |
| eranrom | Here si the plan | 08:20 |
| eranrom | s/si/is | 08:20 |
| eranrom | Step 1: Have joss support v3 | 08:21 |
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| eranrom | Step 2: Update installation to work with v3 | 08:21 |
| eranrom | I hope to do step1 in the coming days | 08:21 |
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| eranrom | The question I had was: Once step2 is completed. Should we take upstream Keystone or Newton Keystone | 08:22 |
| eranrom | Since so far Keystone has been a non-easy item in terms of dependencies, I'd rather take Newton. | 08:23 |
| eranrom | But we can try and see how this goes. | 08:23 |
| eranrom | end of text :-) | 08:23 |
| takashi | eranrom: As far as I understand about the policy of gate testing, they use master version for all projects for integrate testing | 08:24 |
| takashi | but | 08:24 |
| takashi | on the otherhand using Newton still makes sense to me, to make gate job testing stable | 08:24 |
| takashi | In that case, I think we should care about compatibility with latest Keystone in release step | 08:24 |
| eranrom | takashi: Agree! | 08:24 |
| takashi | I saw that you added items about releasing, so I think we can discuss our plan related to that topic. | 08:25 |
| takashi | in Barcelona | 08:25 |
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| eranrom | takashi: sure. I actually left it from previous weeks. Lets discuss in Barcelona! | 08:26 |
| eranrom | Its on the etherpad as well :-) | 08:26 |
| takashi | eranrom: :-) | 08:26 |
| takashi | eranrom: That's all about big tent work today. | 08:27 |
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| eranrom | takashi: regarding big tent. I will put some order to the etherpad. Copying the items left to the top of the page | 08:27 |
| takashi | from my side | 08:27 |
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| takashi | eranrom: on big tent etherpad page? | 08:28 |
| eranrom | yes | 08:28 |
| takashi | eranrom: makes sense. It helps us to find what is the remaining items, and what should be fixed next | 08:29 |
| eranrom | #action eranrom to make order in big-tent etherpad | 08:30 |
| takashi | eranrom: thanks! | 08:31 |
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| eranrom | takashi: anything else for today? | 08:33 |
| takashi | eranrom: I'd like to talk about releasing | 08:33 |
| takashi | which is still remaining on agenda fortunately | 08:33 |
| eranrom | takashi: please go ahead | 08:33 |
| eranrom | takashi: right :-) | 08:33 |
| takashi | In previous meetings, we agreed to merge python storlets doc before our rlease | 08:34 |
| takashi | and currently they are merged | 08:34 |
| takashi | Is it time to have our Newton release, or is there remaining items which should be merged before that? | 08:34 |
| eranrom | takashi: not from my side. | 08:34 |
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| takashi | eranrom: neither from me | 08:35 |
| takashi | patch 375884, merging SBusDatagram can be merged, but I think it is not required | 08:35 |
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| eranrom | takashi: agree. | 08:36 |
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| eranrom | takashi: I can create a branch & 'freeze' dependencies on it | 08:37 |
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| takashi | eranrom: Can I ask you to create that, if it does not take so much time? maybe we can ask comments from other cores on the patch. | 08:37 |
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| eranrom | you mean the dependencies patch? | 08:38 |
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| eranrom | sure | 08:39 |
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| eranrom | Let me do that by the end of the week (Thur.) | 08:39 |
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| takashi | I'm afraid that I don't really understand the meening of dependencies patch | 08:40 |
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| takashi | but I intend something like this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375755/ | 08:40 |
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| takashi | no, not this... sorry | 08:41 |
| eranrom | oh, ok, gotcha. | 08:41 |
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| eranrom | I think we have two steps here | 08:41 |
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| eranrom | 1. A storlet patch for freezing the dependencies (taking swift newton, and perhaps Keystone newton) | 08:42 |
| eranrom | 2. the patch you have referred to | 08:42 |
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| eranrom | regarding 2, I hope it will be accepted, given that we are not yet official | 08:42 |
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| takashi | eranrom: makes sense. and I currently understand how we 'freeze dependencies' | 08:43 |
| eranrom | I will do this on the branch (not on master) | 08:43 |
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| takashi | eranrom: I think you already cut off the stable/mitaka branch. I don't know the precise way for unofficial projects, but at least we can do the same thing for newton release | 08:44 |
| eranrom | right\ | 08:44 |
| eranrom | right | 08:44 |
| eranrom | I will do that by Thu. | 08:44 |
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| takashi | eranrom: thank you for working about that | 08:45 |
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| eranrom | sure. | 08:45 |
| takashi | With that releasing, you can mention 'Storlets Newton release' in your summit session, I suppose. | 08:45 |
| takashi | (just checking your e-mail. sorry to be late | 08:46 |
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| eranrom | takashi: good idea. | 08:46 |
| eranrom | thanks! | 08:47 |
| eranrom | Anything else for today? | 08:47 |
| takashi | eranrom: nothing else from my side | 08:47 |
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| eranrom | ok, so thanks for joining! | 08:48 |
| eranrom | talk to you later | 08:48 |
| takashi | eranrom: thank you! | 08:48 |
| eranrom | #endmeeting | 08:48 |
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| xiangxinyong | #startmeeting karbor | 09:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 09:03:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xiangxinyong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 09:03 |
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| xiangxinyong | hello everyone | 09:03 |
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| zhonghua-lee | hi | 09:03 |
| leon_wang | hi | 09:03 |
| chenying_ | hi | 09:03 |
| xiangxinyong | We could wait some minutes to see whether there are any other guys. | 09:04 |
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| xiangxinyong | This is the agenda. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Karbor#Agenda.282016-10-11_0900_UTC.29 | 09:05 |
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| xiangxinyong | please take overview on it. | 09:06 |
| zengchen | good afternoon | 09:07 |
| zhonghua-lee | zengchen:hi | 09:07 |
| xiangxinyong | ok. zhonghua-lee leon_wang chenying_ zengchen are here. | 09:08 |
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| zhonghua-lee | xiangxinyong: anyone are we waiting for? | 09:08 |
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| xiangxinyong | ok. let's start | 09:08 |
| xiangxinyong | #topic Barcelona design summit | 09:08 |
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| zhonghua-lee | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=karbor | 09:08 |
| xiangxinyong | zhonghua-lee: show time | 09:09 |
| zhonghua-lee | I propose this topic because I notice nobody to start it | 09:09 |
| xiangxinyong | thanks | 09:09 |
| zhonghua-lee | you can find that there will five session at Barcelona summit | 09:09 |
| zhonghua-lee | from the link | 09:10 |
| zhonghua-lee | I think it's time to start collecting the topics | 09:10 |
| zhonghua-lee | so please feel free to add your topics here | 09:10 |
| xiangxinyong | good job | 09:10 |
| zhonghua-lee | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/karbor-ocata-design-summit-topics | 09:10 |
| zengchen | zhonghua-lee:+1 | 09:11 |
| chenying_ | It is better to list the discussion content in every session. | 09:11 |
| zhonghua-lee | chenying_: yes. agree | 09:11 |
| zhonghua-lee | but before that, we'd better know the topics | 09:11 |
| xiangxinyong | yeah | 09:11 |
| zhonghua-lee | any suggestion? | 09:12 |
| xiangxinyong | if someone has some topics, please list them to this link | 09:12 |
| xiangxinyong | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/karbor-ocata-design-summit-topic | 09:12 |
| zengchen | zhonghua-lee:you mean we list the contents under the topic you list? | 09:12 |
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| zhonghua-lee | zengchen: yeah, if you think it should be discussed in Barcelona | 09:13 |
| zengchen | zhonghua-lee:got it. thanks. | 09:13 |
| zhonghua-lee | zengchen: :) | 09:14 |
| xiangxinyong | looking forward to your topics | 09:14 |
| xiangxinyong | please feel free to add them into etherpad | 09:14 |
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| zhonghua-lee | xiangxinyong: +1 | 09:14 |
| xiangxinyong | zhonghua-lee: would you like to post this etherpad link into devstack maillist? | 09:15 |
| zhonghua-lee | xiangxinyong: ok, no problem | 09:15 |
| xiangxinyong | thanks | 09:15 |
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| zhonghua-lee | it's my duty | 09:15 |
| xiangxinyong | #action zhonghua-lee post karbor-ocata-design-summit-topic to maillist | 09:16 |
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| xiangxinyong | ok, does anyone have some ideas about this topic? | 09:16 |
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| zengchen | xiangxinyong:no. | 09:17 |
| xiangxinyong | ok, let's move to next one. | 09:17 |
| xiangxinyong | #topic Add patch list in etherpad to improve the efficiency of reviewing/merging patches | 09:17 |
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| xiangxinyong | zengchen: your turn | 09:18 |
| zengchen | xiangxinyong:ok | 09:18 |
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| zhangshuai | +1 | 09:18 |
| zengchen | i created a etherpad to list the patches that should be review asap. | 09:18 |
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| xiangxinyong | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/karbor-ocata-reviews | 09:19 |
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| zhonghua-lee | zengchen: could you please explain why do we need that? | 09:20 |
| xiangxinyong | This is the trello group we planned to do this things. https://trello.com/b/Sudr4fKT/karbor | 09:21 |
| xiangxinyong | what's your opinion? | 09:21 |
| zengchen | i think the efficiency of reviewing patches is not very high. | 09:21 |
| zhonghua-lee | xiangxinyong: that's it | 09:21 |
| zengchen | some patches are stay there for a long time. | 09:22 |
| xiangxinyong | zengchen: I see | 09:22 |
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| xiangxinyong | so you want to list these patches into etherpad | 09:24 |
| zengchen | so we can list the important patches in the etherpad, then it will take less time for reviewer to find the patches to review. | 09:24 |
| zengchen | xiangxinyong:yes | 09:24 |
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| xiangxinyong | are there objection? | 09:25 |
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| xiangxinyong | guys, do you think we need a vote for this topic? | 09:25 |
| zengchen | the important thing is that some key patches stay a long time, and no people reviewed thme. | 09:25 |
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| zengchen | xiangxinyong:we can vote. | 09:26 |
| zhonghua-lee | xiangxinyong: as you mentioned,we had used the Trello to trace the jobs before. will we abandon it? | 09:26 |
| xiangxinyong | #startvote do we need to use etherpad to manage patch review? | 09:27 |
| chenying_ | I think that used the Trello or erthpad both is ok | 09:27 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: do we need to use etherpad to manage patch review? Valid vote options are Yes, No. | 09:27 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 09:27 |
| zhonghua-lee | shall we wait Saggi to make the last decision? | 09:28 |
| chenying_ | The importent things is we need spend more time to review patches. | 09:28 |
| zengchen | zhonghua-lee: we can list the patches in the etherpad or trello. but first we should reach a agreement to do this thing. | 09:28 |
| leon_wang | chenying:yes, i agree. | 09:28 |
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| xiangxinyong | #vote OPTION | 09:29 |
| xiangxinyong | ok. I agree two kinds of ways are ok | 09:30 |
| xiangxinyong | I have a idea. | 09:30 |
| zhonghua-lee | zengchen: yeah, I know it's a good idea. I mean the tool more than the patches listing | 09:30 |
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| xiangxinyong | when the patches are merged, we could update the status of the patches. | 09:31 |
| leon_wang | So does Karbor trello contain all the patches we plan to do? | 09:31 |
| chenying_ | So we can use etherpad link to category the patches. | 09:31 |
| xiangxinyong | leon_wang: no yet | 09:31 |
| zhonghua-lee | leon_wang: not | 09:32 |
| xiangxinyong | we can take a overview about the trello or etherpad link every weekly irc meeting. | 09:32 |
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| leon_wang | I suggest that we can add some detailed descriptions about patches. | 09:33 |
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| zengchen | xiangxinyong:agree | 09:33 |
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| zhonghua-lee | leon_wang +1 | 09:33 |
| chenying_ | why? The patch should show the detailed descriptions. | 09:33 |
| zengchen | leon_wang:you can see the etherpad, there are patch links and their titile. that is enough. | 09:34 |
| xiangxinyong | I also think so | 09:34 |
| chenying_ | we should get all the detail and info form patch messages. If messages can not describe clearly, that mean we should submit a spec about it. | 09:35 |
| xiangxinyong | it is a question. we should used to write more informations about the patch so that other guys could understand it easily | 09:36 |
| chenying_ | xiangxinyong: +1 | 09:38 |
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| xiangxinyong | ok. Not enough time left. | 09:38 |
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| xiangxinyong | #agreed take an overview about the trello or etherpad link reviewing patch every weekly irc meeting | 09:39 |
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| xiangxinyong | #topic Questions about algorithm of building resource graph | 09:39 |
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| chenying_ | when karbor will portect one resourece, now karbor will portect the dependent resourece automaticly. | 09:41 |
| zengchen | this topic is about the a quesiton regarding to the algorithm of building the resource graph. i expect your ideas. | 09:41 |
| xiangxinyong | zengchen: I saw your email in the ML. good practice | 09:42 |
| chenying_ | even the dependent resourece is not in the plan. | 09:42 |
| zhangshuai | maybe, you can set it optional. | 09:42 |
| zengchen | exactly, there are two questions. one is like chenying said. and another one is if user choose the sub-tree to protect, them the parent will not be protected, which maybe a problem. | 09:43 |
| chenying_ | optional is not a good way, we should define the rule clearly about the resourece and its dependent resourece. | 09:43 |
| xiangxinyong | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105390.html | 09:45 |
| zhangshuai | zengchen:you said situation is in dashboard? | 09:45 |
| zengchen | zhangshuai:no | 09:46 |
| chenying_ | IMO . This topic need be discussed in the submit work session. we should gater the idear form other company. | 09:46 |
| chenying_ | s/submit/summit | 09:46 |
| xiangxinyong | chengying_: good idea | 09:46 |
| zengchen | zhuangshuai: it is the algorithm of building the resource graph. it is at graph.py | 09:46 |
| xiangxinyong | zengchen: could you add this topics to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/karbor-ocata-design-summit-topic | 09:47 |
| zengchen | chenying_:that is better if you think it is important enough. | 09:48 |
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| zengchen | xiangxinyong:no problem. | 09:48 |
| yuval | Hello | 09:48 |
| chenying_ | we can list this topic to the design-summit-topic: about the rule resource and dependent resourece in protection process | 09:48 |
| xiangxinyong | zengchen: thanks | 09:48 |
| xiangxinyong | yuval: hey | 09:48 |
| zhangshuai | zengchen:yes. | 09:48 |
| zengchen | yuval:hi, we are talking about the question described in the email. | 09:49 |
| zhonghua-lee | yuval: hi | 09:49 |
| yuval | was 100% that our meeting is 15:00 UTC later today :\ | 09:49 |
| zengchen | yuval:it does not matter. | 09:49 |
| zhonghua-lee | yuval: it was so confusing | 09:49 |
| yuval | zengchen: which question? | 09:50 |
| xiangxinyong | Questions about algorithm of building resource graph | 09:50 |
| xiangxinyong | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Karbor#Agenda.282016-10-11_0900_UTC.29 | 09:50 |
| xiangxinyong | yuval: you could take a look at the 3rd topic | 09:50 |
| zengchen | xiangxinyong:that is. | 09:51 |
| yuval | xiangxinyong: on it | 09:51 |
| xiangxinyong | ok | 09:51 |
| xiangxinyong | chenzeng has send an email to openstack-dev ML. | 09:51 |
| yuval | Can you give an example for the second case? | 09:53 |
| yuval | (protecting a resource without parent makes the resource invalid) | 09:53 |
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| zengchen | yuval:you mean the real use case? | 09:55 |
| yuval | zengchen: yes | 09:55 |
| zengchen | yuval:do you understand the question? | 09:55 |
| yuval | zengchen: yes | 09:56 |
| chenying_ | I think we can continue discuss this topic in the irc or mailist. | 09:56 |
| yuval | zengchen: in your second example, what kind of resource B could be invalid when protecting without A | 09:56 |
| zengchen | yuval:ok, i will give you a use case. give me some time. | 09:56 |
| yuval | zengchen: sure thing | 09:56 |
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| zengchen | yuval: A is vm, and B is application, like db. | 09:57 |
| zengchen | yuval:i think if you protect db, you should let the vm to do something first. | 09:58 |
| xiangxinyong | guys, it looks like we are running out of time. | 09:58 |
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| xiangxinyong | I suggest we could also discuss this question in the Mail List, perhaps someone else could give karbor a good suggestion. e.g. heat guys who are ver familar with resources and dependent resources | 09:59 |
| zengchen | yuval:we can talk in our chanel/ | 09:59 |
| yuval | zengchen: sure | 09:59 |
| xiangxinyong | by the way. welcome to #openstack-karbor to contine discuss | 09:59 |
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| xiangxinyong | good bye. team | 10:00 |
| zhangshuai | goodbye | 10:00 |
| xiangxinyong | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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| yanyan | #startmeeting senlin | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 13:01:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yanyan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:01 |
| Qiming | o/ | 13:01 |
| yanyan | hello | 13:01 |
| Ruijie_ | ^^ | 13:01 |
| zzxwill | Hi Qiming, yanyan. | 13:01 |
| yanyan | :) | 13:01 |
| elynn | hi | 13:01 |
| yanyan | hi | 13:02 |
| yanyan | welcome you guys | 13:02 |
| lixinhui_ | hi | 13:02 |
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| yanyan | this is our first meeting in Ocata cycle I think :) | 13:02 |
| yanyan | hi, xinhui | 13:02 |
| yanyan | here is the agenda, plz feel free to add items you want to discuss | 13:02 |
| yanyan | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:02 |
| yanyan | #topic ocata work items | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ocata work items (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:03 | |
| yanyan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-ocata-workitems | 13:03 |
| yanyan | I have created a new etherpad to track workitems in ocata cycle | 13:03 |
| yanyan | currently, I just moved those backlogs from newton workitems etherpad | 13:03 |
| yanyan | maybe lets go through it first | 13:03 |
| yanyan | perform test | 13:04 |
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| yanyan | I will keep working on it | 13:04 |
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| yanyan | adding more senlin related support into rally | 13:04 |
| yanyan | and also building some sample test cases | 13:04 |
| yanyan | to help user/operator to evaluate the performace of their senlin deployment | 13:05 |
| yanyan | the next item is about HA, lixinhui_ Qiming, any update about it? | 13:05 |
| yanyan | or new plan | 13:05 |
| lixinhui_ | I am working octavia | 13:06 |
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| lixinhui_ | notification system | 13:06 |
| lixinhui_ | to let it send out notice of member failure | 13:06 |
| lixinhui_ | but still trying to get its newton version work up | 13:06 |
| Qiming | octavia team agreed? | 13:06 |
| lixinhui_ | not discussed with them | 13:06 |
| lixinhui_ | I wanna try on our side firstly | 13:07 |
| lixinhui_ | then may propose BP | 13:07 |
| Qiming | member status update is stable there? | 13:07 |
| lixinhui_ | what do you mean by stable | 13:07 |
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| yanyan | so the plan is let lb send notification for lb member status changing? | 13:07 |
| lixinhui_ | yes | 13:07 |
| Qiming | the old story was that when member fails, octavia fails to change the 'status' field | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | once the status change, octavia should send out event | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | instead of letting others read its db | 13:08 |
| yanyan | lixinhui_, I see | 13:08 |
| yanyan | I also recalled that bug. have it been addressed? | 13:09 |
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| lixinhui_ | very slow there | 13:09 |
| elynn | Does it worth a BP in octavia? | 13:09 |
| elynn | Or just a bug? | 13:09 |
| lixinhui_ | not bug | 13:09 |
| lixinhui_ | they have mechanism to update DB | 13:09 |
| yanyan | elynn, I think the notification item is worth a bp | 13:09 |
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| lixinhui_ | so if others care enough and they can get the right status | 13:10 |
| lixinhui_ | but | 13:10 |
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| lixinhui_ | it is ugly | 13:10 |
| lixinhui_ | there should be some mechanism to help auto-loop | 13:10 |
| elynn | yes, agree with you | 13:10 |
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| lixinhui_ | like senlin needed | 13:10 |
| Qiming | status update <-- obviously a bug; status notification <-- may need a bp | 13:10 |
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| lixinhui_ | there seems some problem with octavianewtion | 13:11 |
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| lixinhui_ | I cna not run it up even today | 13:11 |
| lixinhui_ | will try more later | 13:11 |
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| yanyan | even with its newton stable release? | 13:12 |
| lixinhui_ | yes | 13:12 |
| yanyan | if so, may need some help from the team | 13:12 |
| lixinhui_ | some thing wrong with its image | 13:12 |
| yanyan | sigh... | 13:12 |
| elynn | ... | 13:12 |
| lixinhui_ | will connect them if I confirm nothing wrong with my env | 13:12 |
| yanyan | great | 13:13 |
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| yanyan | and you can add the workitem about notification to etherpad | 13:13 |
| yanyan | if you plan to work on it recently :) | 13:13 |
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| lixinhui_ | Okay | 13:14 |
| lixinhui_ | I will | 13:14 |
| yanyan | thanks | 13:14 |
| lixinhui_ | np | 13:14 |
| yanyan | any more question about this item? | 13:14 |
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| yanyan | if not, will move on | 13:14 |
| yanyan | ok, next one | 13:15 |
| yanyan | document | 13:15 |
| yanyan | hi, Qiming | 13:15 |
| Qiming | no progress past weeks | 13:15 |
| yanyan | I guess you didn't get time to work on it recently | 13:15 |
| yanyan | I see | 13:15 |
| Qiming | will work on them by adding links to official docs, in case users don't know where to find them | 13:15 |
| yanyan | yes, that is very important | 13:16 |
| yanyan | thanks | 13:16 |
| yanyan | next one is versioned request | 13:16 |
| yanyan | part of versioning everything :) | 13:16 |
| Qiming | that one was just added | 13:16 |
| Qiming | still working on it | 13:16 |
| Qiming | for cluster create request, the request and request body have been modeled | 13:17 |
| Qiming | now I'm preparing the service to serve RPC request with the new request object as parameters | 13:17 |
| yanyan | great, so that will be the first one as example | 13:17 |
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| yanyan | hi, xuhaiwei | 13:18 |
| xuhaiwei | hi yanyan | 13:18 |
| xuhaiwei | sorry be late | 13:18 |
| Qiming | yes, that will be the first show case | 13:18 |
| yanyan | no problem | 13:18 |
| yanyan | ok | 13:18 |
| yanyan | hope everyone can have some time to see it | 13:19 |
| yanyan | since that will be a huge change for the interface of both senlin api/engine/rpc | 13:19 |
| Qiming | yup | 13:20 |
| yanyan | great | 13:20 |
| yanyan | next one? | 13:20 |
| Qiming | its advantage is still to be exhibited | 13:20 |
| yanyan | yes | 13:20 |
| xuhaiwei | what is the current topic? | 13:21 |
| yanyan | I think it's definitely very helpful to improve the stability and compatibility of senlin service | 13:21 |
| xuhaiwei | big change to senile api/engine/rpc? | 13:21 |
| yanyan | xuhaiwei, about versioned request | 13:21 |
| Qiming | xuhaiwei, versioned everything | 13:21 |
| yanyan | xuhaiwei, oh, sorry for my inaccurate expression | 13:21 |
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| yanyan | user invisible change it is | 13:22 |
| Qiming | make the code stable and smooth upgradable | 13:22 |
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| yanyan | yes | 13:22 |
| xuhaiwei | ok | 13:22 |
| yanyan | the interface between different senlin modules | 13:22 |
| xuhaiwei | if everything is versioned, it's easy to be upgraded? | 13:22 |
| yanyan | xuhaiwei, yes | 13:22 |
| Qiming | a versioned object is tasked to masking the differences | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | if you add a new field to a request, for example, and you only understand an old version of request | 13:23 |
| Qiming | you can ask that object to make an old version representation for you | 13:24 |
| Qiming | I'm learning it by doing it | 13:24 |
| xuhaiwei | that is not conflicting with api micro-version? | 13:25 |
| Qiming | ideally, you can have two senlin-engines working on 1.2 version, one working on 1.1 version | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | good question, still trying to make that 'version' into the same whole picture without further complicating things | 13:26 |
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| yanyan | nice | 13:26 |
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| yanyan | I believe we can get better understanding on it by reading the code | 13:26 |
| Qiming | when we have some api changes we want to land, we can group that into a sprint, and bump api version after that | 13:26 |
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| Qiming | api version is only dealing with user visible things | 13:27 |
| Qiming | versioned object, ideally, can be used to version anything inside the engine, e.g. DB objects | 13:27 |
| yanyan | ok, lets move on | 13:29 |
| yanyan | container profile, hi, xuhaiwei, your turn | 13:29 |
| xuhaiwei | recently I am working on the demo for our company cloud platform | 13:30 |
| yanyan | any update or plan? | 13:30 |
| xuhaiwei | no update for it | 13:30 |
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| yanyan | ok | 13:30 |
| xuhaiwei | I can share something about the summit | 13:30 |
| yanyan | I think that will be another important workitem in Ocata cycle | 13:30 |
| yanyan | great, you guys can have f2f talk :) | 13:30 |
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| xuhaiwei | that is for tacker design summit, I have added a talk about senile and tacker integration | 13:31 |
| yanyan | cool | 13:31 |
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| elynn | cool +1 | 13:31 |
| yanyan | hope to see more cooperation between senlin and tacker | 13:31 |
| elynn | Would like to listen ! | 13:31 |
| Qiming | xuhaiwei, many thanks on bringing that to the tacker team | 13:31 |
| yanyan | would like to see the video :) | 13:31 |
| Qiming | I'm confident that they will appreciate the work we offloaded from them | 13:32 |
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| zzxwill | yanyan, you won't be at the Summit this time? | 13:32 |
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| yanyan | zzxwill, yes :( | 13:32 |
| xuhaiwei | tacker team doesn't know senile at all, so I will introduce senile first, and then introduce tacker to use senile for vnf auto-scaling and HA | 13:32 |
| yanyan | so will catch you guys up by watching the video cap | 13:32 |
| yanyan | xuhaiwei, that's great | 13:33 |
| xuhaiwei | design summit doesn't have vedio, yanyan | 13:33 |
| yanyan | ah, right | 13:33 |
| yanyan | if time is good, maybe I can call in :) | 13:33 |
| Qiming | they will soon realize that "auto-scaling" could be a tale, most of the time, they will need to manipulate their VNF clusters this and that way | 13:33 |
| yanyan | to join your discussion | 13:34 |
| xuhaiwei | you can't go to barcelona, yanyan ? | 13:34 |
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| yanyan | right... | 13:34 |
| xuhaiwei | Qiming, in fact to use seniln in tacker has two ways | 13:35 |
| yanyan | anyway, very chance to bridge these two projects | 13:35 |
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| yanyan | very good chance | 13:35 |
| Qiming | yes, I saw your discussion with sridahar | 13:35 |
| xuhaiwei | first is make tacker talk to seniln directly, instead of talking to Heat under the current design | 13:35 |
| Qiming | we'll need to find out why they need heat desparately | 13:36 |
| xuhaiwei | but it may very difficult to persuade them to do in this way | 13:36 |
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| Qiming | if it is a valid scenario, we won't get in the way | 13:36 |
| Qiming | if it is not valid, or it is something senlin can fill in easily, we will do it | 13:37 |
| Qiming | mindset change is very difficult for people | 13:37 |
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| xuhaiwei | yes, currently in openstack community Heat is the standard orchestration tool, so people will use it without any thought | 13:38 |
| yanyan | understand | 13:38 |
| Qiming | heat is good, but no project is designed for all use cases ... | 13:38 |
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| yanyan | just for some cases, using senlin could be better | 13:39 |
| yanyan | yes | 13:39 |
| Qiming | so, instead of doing some abstract comparison, I'd prefer understanding their use cases | 13:39 |
| yanyan | totally agree | 13:40 |
| yanyan | start from a real case to understand their requirement | 13:40 |
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| yanyan | so we may need to spend more effort here :) | 13:41 |
| yanyan | xuhaiwei, thanks for starting this | 13:41 |
| xuhaiwei | if tacker support seniln heat resource well, it's a quite good thing in my opinion | 13:41 |
| elynn | Maybe some day you could show us how tacker work and let us get a deeper understanding and figure out the gap :) xuhaiwei | 13:41 |
| yanyan | elynn, +1 | 13:41 |
| elynn | xuhaiwei: yes, it's a win-win for both projects. | 13:42 |
| xuhaiwei | yanyan, elynn, yes, but currently tacker can hardly do anything | 13:42 |
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| lixinhui_ | So sridahar still be the PTL? | 13:42 |
| lixinhui_ | for ocata? | 13:42 |
| xuhaiwei | yes, lixinhui_ | 13:42 |
| lixinhui_ | okay | 13:42 |
| xuhaiwei | but he can't join ocata summit for health problem | 13:43 |
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| lixinhui_ | ... | 13:43 |
| xuhaiwei | I hope you guys can also join the discussion in tacker design summit | 13:44 |
| lixinhui_ | who else from broadcade the same company with him? | 13:44 |
| Qiming | it is all overlapped ... | 13:44 |
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| lixinhui_ | when is it | 13:44 |
| yanyan | all our work sessions are located in friday morining | 13:44 |
| elynn | What is the time slot for your topic? xuhaiwei | 13:44 |
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| yanyan | https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/#day=2016-10-28&summit_types=10 | 13:44 |
| yanyan | start from 9 to 12:40 | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | most of the design summits are in the same morning | 13:44 |
| xuhaiwei | oh | 13:45 |
| elynn | okay... | 13:45 |
| xuhaiwei | my topic is on the last day | 13:45 |
| Qiming | a ridiculous design | 13:45 |
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| xuhaiwei | the final session | 13:45 |
| yanyan | xuhaiwei, in afternoon? | 13:45 |
| yanyan | or morning | 13:46 |
| xuhaiwei | from 11:30 on Friday | 13:46 |
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| yanyan | sigh | 13:46 |
| xuhaiwei | the last one in the morning | 13:46 |
| yanyan | conflict with our last session | 13:46 |
| yanyan | the HA one | 13:46 |
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| yanyan | lets have further discussion later to see whether we can get the chance to talk with tacker team | 13:47 |
| yanyan | in the summit | 13:47 |
| yanyan | lets move on? | 13:47 |
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| yanyan | we have 13 mins left | 13:47 |
| yanyan | zaqar message receiver | 13:47 |
| yanyan | the basic workflow is ok now | 13:47 |
| yanyan | next step is keeping refactoring it to make it useful for real use case | 13:48 |
| yanyan | including addressing some TODOs left | 13:48 |
| yanyan | and also writing a guide | 13:48 |
| Qiming | yes, guide me pls, :D | 13:48 |
| yanyan | haha :) | 13:48 |
| yanyan | definitely | 13:48 |
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| yanyan | the next one is notification | 13:48 |
| yanyan | hi Qiming | 13:48 |
| Qiming | no progress, pass | 13:49 |
| yanyan | ok | 13:49 |
| yanyan | next one is batch policy | 13:49 |
| yanyan | I think Ruijie_ is working on it | 13:49 |
| yanyan | hi, Ruijie_ | 13:49 |
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| yanyan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376363/ | 13:50 |
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| yanyan | here is the patch. welcome to leave comments :) | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | 10 minutes left, we still have 3 topics, :D | 13:50 |
| yanyan | yes, need to speed up | 13:50 |
| yanyan | ok, lets jump to next topic | 13:51 |
| yanyan | #topic work session time slot | 13:51 |
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| yanyan | https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/#day=2016-10-28&summit_types=10 | 13:51 |
| yanyan | here | 13:51 |
| yanyan | all in the friday morning | 13:51 |
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| yanyan | the current sequence is, versioned policy/profile, versioning everything, container cluster and HA | 13:52 |
| Ruijie_ | yes, yanyan | 13:52 |
| Ruijie_ | I'm working on it | 13:52 |
| yanyan | Ruijie_, thanks a lot for this job :) | 13:52 |
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| yanyan | will leave comments offline | 13:52 |
| yanyan | ok, next one? | 13:53 |
| Ruijie_ | no problem, yanyan :) | 13:53 |
| Ruijie_ | okay | 13:53 |
| yanyan | :) | 13:53 |
| yanyan | summit presentation preparing | 13:53 |
| yanyan | we have two presentations, HA and managing cluster of 1,000 VMs | 13:53 |
| yanyan | I'm now preparing the slices for second one | 13:54 |
| yanyan | and will talk with eldon and CMCC colleague later about it | 13:54 |
| yanyan | elynn, lixinhui_ I think you guys can start to prepare the slice for HA topic? | 13:54 |
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| lixinhui_ | yes, yanyan | 13:54 |
| yanyan | if you all free in this thursday, we can have a meetup in vmware that afternoon :) | 13:55 |
| lixinhui_ | we need discuss with you and Qiming | 13:55 |
| elynn | I will check with lixinhui_ tomorrow. | 13:55 |
| yanyan | and go through this topic together | 13:55 |
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| lixinhui_ | great | 13:55 |
| yanyan | ok :) | 13:55 |
| yanyan | to fill in the content and arrange the speacking sequence | 13:55 |
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| yanyan | ok, lets talk more about it offline | 13:56 |
| yanyan | #topic open discussion | 13:56 |
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| yanyan | open discussion now:) | 13:56 |
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| Qiming | I've added a topic | 13:56 |
| Qiming | about weekly meeting schedule | 13:57 |
| yanyan | oops, sorry I didn't refresh the agenda | 13:57 |
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| yanyan | ah, yes | 13:57 |
| Qiming | yanyan and I discussed about this | 13:57 |
| yanyan | that one | 13:57 |
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| Qiming | if the time is no good for anyone, pls speak up | 13:57 |
| yanyan | yes, we can rotate between day time meeting and night time meeting(beijing time) | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | we can move it completely | 13:58 |
| yanyan | Qiming, ok | 13:58 |
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| yanyan | if so, we need to find a time slot everyone is free to join | 13:58 |
| yanyan | to avoid conflict with other meetings in daily work | 13:59 |
| yanyan | I will send out mail to check with all you guys | 13:59 |
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| yanyan | ok | 13:59 |
| Qiming | public vote is better | 13:59 |
| yanyan | Qiming, yes, will check how to do it | 14:00 |
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| yanyan | and need to check the available timeslot in irc channel first | 14:00 |
| yanyan | ok, time is over | 14:00 |
| yanyan | lets move back to senlin channel | 14:00 |
| yanyan | thanks all you guys for joining | 14:00 |
| yanyan | have a good night | 14:00 |
| yanyan | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 14:00:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-10-11-13.01.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-10-11-13.01.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-10-11-13.01.log.html | 14:00 |
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| zzxwill | Thank you, yanyan. | 14:00 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting networking | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 14:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 14:01 |
| rossella_s | hi :) | 14:01 |
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| dasm | o/ | 14:01 |
| sbelous | hi | 14:01 |
| alraddarla | hi | 14:01 |
| electrocucaracha | o/ | 14:01 |
| ajo | \o/ | 14:01 |
| yanyan | ihrachys, sorry for postpone :) | 14:01 |
| hoangcx | hi | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:01 |
| johndperkins | o/ | 14:01 |
| HenryG | o/ | 14:01 |
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| andreas_s | o/ | 14:01 |
| bcafarel | hi | 14:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:01 |
| dasanind_ | hi | 14:01 |
| ihrachys | yanyan: nevermind :) | 14:01 |
| hichihara | hi | 14:01 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 14:01 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 14:02 |
| yamahata | hello | 14:02 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 14:02 |
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| ihrachys | first thing first, for those who maybe missed that... Newton is released! | 14:02 |
| dasm | boooo! | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | we are now officially in pure Ocata mode | 14:02 |
| dasm | ooops... yay! | 14:02 |
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| ihrachys | that said, we plan to release the first patch release for newton in next week or two, so if you have proper candidates to backport, please propose for review | 14:03 |
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| ihrachys | in other news, stable/mitaka and stable/liberty branches change their support phases that are defined in: | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | #link http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html#support-phases | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | I proposed final releases for the branches in previous status | 14:04 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383781/ mitaka | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383789/ liberty | 14:05 |
| ajo | so liberty goes into " Only critical bugfixes and security patches are acceptable" | 14:05 |
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| ajo | sorry | 14:05 |
| ajo | that's mitaka :) | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | if you believe something worthy must be included in any of those, please talk to neutron-stable-maint members | 14:05 |
| dasm | announcement: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105302.html | 14:05 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: yes, mitaka is critical/CVE, and liberty is CVE only now | 14:05 |
| amotoki | it seems worth releasing neutornclient mitaka too. | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | meaning, no backports into liberty in general | 14:05 |
| ajo | ack, thanks ihrachys | 14:05 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: ack. do you want to propose that, or should I? | 14:06 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: will do it and let you know | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: thanks! | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | speaking of releases, dasm is our new release liaison for Ocata time frame | 14:06 |
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| amotoki | dasm: thanks! | 14:06 |
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| ihrachys | also known as Dariusz (Darek) Smigel :) | 14:06 |
| hichihara | dasm: Thanks! | 14:07 |
| dasm | ihrachys: and after ocata, release liason probbably won't be needed (everything will be automated). am i right ihrachys? | 14:07 |
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| ajo | dasm++ thank you | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | dasm: we still need someone to take care of proposed patches to make sense | 14:07 |
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| dasm | APPROVE EVERYTHING! | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | dasm: f.e. so that we don't release something that breaks the rules | 14:07 |
| dasm | ;) | 14:08 |
| ajo | lol dasm | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | dasm: I don't appreciate that attitude from someone who wears a release liaison hat ;) | 14:08 |
| dasm | ;) | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | to give everyone a reminder, we release neutron bits thru the following repo: - https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | and for stadium participants, the following guidelines may be of use: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/stadium/guidelines.html#releases | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | speaking of liaisons, HenryG is our new oslo liaison for Ocata | 14:09 |
| dasm | \o/ | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | welcome to both of liaisons :) | 14:09 |
| ajo | HenryG, thank you too | 14:09 |
| rossella_s | thanks dasm and HenryG | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | [for those wondering what oslo liaison does, it's mostly being present on oslo team meetings, and raising red flags from our project there if we have an oslo related problem] | 14:10 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: thank you for both liaison (especially oslo liaison so long) | 14:10 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: my pleasure | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | another set of announcements is related to summit planning | 14:11 |
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| electrocucaracha | long live the liaisons | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | PTL is currently working with neutron-drivers team to define topics for design summit sessions for neutron | 14:11 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Neutron%3A Neutron design summit | 14:11 |
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| ihrachys | there are some slots captured by the filter that are not relevant | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | but I guess we'll live with it | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | the topics should be complete in next two days | 14:12 |
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| ihrachys | at that time we should have all etherpad links properly set, and you'll be able to review their agendas in advance | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | #topic Ocata planning | 14:13 |
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| dasm | speaking about Summit. Different projects announce presence on PTG. Is this required? | 14:13 |
| ihrachys | dasm: I wonder. probably you should talk to armax. | 14:13 |
| dasm | ihrachys: ack | 14:13 |
| ajo | PTG? | 14:13 |
| ihrachys | ajo: project team gathering | 14:13 |
| dasm | Project Team Gathering == midcycle | 14:13 |
| amotoki | Project team gatghering | 14:13 |
| ajo | ahh thanks :) | 14:14 |
| amotoki | http://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 14:14 |
| john-davidge | dasm: except at the beginning of the cycle :P | 14:14 |
| ihrachys | ok, speaking of Ocata cycle, this one will be quite short due to changes in the summit event planning | 14:14 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html Ocata schedule | 14:14 |
| ihrachys | it's basically 4 months this time | 14:15 |
| hichihara | There's only 19 weeks left Ocata release. We must keep in our mind ;) | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | including Christmas | 14:15 |
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| ihrachys | which gets me to the next thing... | 14:15 |
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| hichihara | And including Summit. | 14:16 |
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| john-davidge | and thanksgiving... | 14:16 |
| ihrachys | neutron-drivers team discussed the matter on the previous meeting, and the preliminary decision is to make this cycle more calm, stabilizing things and completing features that were incomplete in Newton | 14:16 |
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| ihrachys | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-10-06-22.01.log.html Drivers meeting logs | 14:16 |
| john-davidge | ihrachys: ++ | 14:16 |
| ihrachys | that section is starting @ 22:23:59 | 14:16 |
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| ihrachys | so, don't expect many new features allowed in this cycle, if at all. the team will focus on "boring" stuff, like gate stability, bug fixing, and such. | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | plus incomplete things, like push-notifications and such | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | another thing that Armando wants to tackle this cycle is to complete stadium consolidation | 14:18 |
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| HenryG | There will be some neutron-lib work too, I think | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | HenryG: sure thing, I guess it's part of ongoing/incomplete bucket | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105276.html | 14:19 |
| hichihara | And OVO too? | 14:19 |
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| amotoki | yes, OVO is one of ongoing things. | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | right | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | all stadium participants, please review the email from PTL I linked above | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | there is an action item for all of you | 14:19 |
| njohnston | yep | 14:19 |
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| ihrachys | armax started a bunch of patches that review the current compliance of stadium projects with requirements | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-specs+branch:master+topic:stadium-implosion | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | please review what's relevant to you, and fill in the missing gaps with info about your subprojects | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | also, there should be a discussion on the summit around the final steps for the effort, if you are in Barcelona, please join it. | 14:21 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Bugs and Gate failures | 14:22 |
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| ihrachys | the previous week, dougwig was a bug deputy | 14:22 |
| ihrachys | I wonder whether he is already up, because I haven't seen a report from him :) | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | apparently not. #sad | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | ok, I'll reach out to him out-of-band later | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | we need a bug deputy volunteer for the next week. | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | if there are volunteers for the summit week, and the week after that, that's also cool. | 14:24 |
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| dasm | i volunteer for summit week. i won't be attending, so at least i can try to help in other way | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | for the latter, ideally, that should be someone not going to the summit | 14:24 |
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| john-davidge | I can do next week | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | dasm: yay for you! it's yours | 14:25 |
| dasm | sold! | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | john-davidge: next as in Oct 17+? | 14:25 |
| john-davidge | ihrachys: wait, did you need a deputy for this week or next? | 14:25 |
| john-davidge | I can do either :) | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | john-davidge: this one, but next is good too :) | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | john-davidge: then take this one! | 14:25 |
| john-davidge | ihrachys: done! | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | john-davidge: and we'll need to find someone for the next one on the next meeting | 14:26 |
| dasanind_ | i can do next week too if john0davidge is doing this week | 14:26 |
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| ihrachys | dasanind_: great. | 14:26 |
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| ihrachys | john-davidge: dasanind_: dasm: make sure you understand responsibilities | 14:26 |
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| ihrachys | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/bugs.html#neutron-bug-deputy | 14:26 |
| john-davidge | For now, can I get some attention on: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1631693 | 14:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1631693 in neutron "prefix delegation does not work in newton" [High,In progress] - Assigned to John Davidge (john-davidge) | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | thanks a lot folks, please someone of you, update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Bug_deputy after the meeting with your names | 14:27 |
| john-davidge | Prefix delegation bug went unnoticed after the pluggable ipam switch | 14:27 |
| john-davidge | ihrachys: doing | 14:27 |
| dasm | ihrachys: done. Bug deputy list updated. | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | john-davidge: it makes it obvious it is not gated on | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | dasm: thanks | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | john-davidge: we'll look into the fix in due course, would be nice to see it in first patch release for Newton | 14:28 |
| john-davidge | ihrachys: Yes, there are still many gaps in PD testing | 14:29 |
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| ihrachys | john-davidge: I believe some of them are actionable, so it's a matter of priorities. now that we have Ocata more conservative in terms of what's allowed in, you should have more time for testing coverage ;) | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | #link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate Gate failure trend | 14:30 |
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| ihrachys | periodic job for neutron-lib-master is at 100%, but it's a known issue fixed by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384041/ | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | grenade and tempest jobs in gate queue are not feeling great it seems too | 14:31 |
| john-davidge | ihrachys: Yes, it's on my radar for sure :) | 14:31 |
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| ihrachys | I see grenade jobs trending at ~ 25% on the graph | 14:32 |
| ihrachys | tempest full is a bit lower, staying at ~15% | 14:32 |
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| ihrachys | the latter graph makes me wonder why we have three 'gate-tempest-dsvm-full' named jobs there :-x | 14:33 |
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| ihrachys | here: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=5&fullscreen | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | other jobs seem to be duplicated too | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | is it just me?.. | 14:33 |
| haleyb | so we can fail 3x as often? | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | it's not a separate job. I would think it's a dashboard definition bug? | 14:34 |
| amotoki | actually there are three result dsvm-full, -ubuntu-trusty, -ubuntu-xenial | 14:34 |
| haleyb | maybe one is xenial another trusty^^ | 14:34 |
| amotoki | all three are labeled as gate-tempest-dsvm-full. that is the reason. | 14:34 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: oh! | 14:35 |
| amotoki | really tricky.. | 14:35 |
| ihrachys | I guess we should split those on the dashboard | 14:35 |
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| ihrachys | I'll talk it with armax later, thanks for the idea on different distro flavour | 14:36 |
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| amotoki | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/grafana/neutron.yaml#n19 matches three results. | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | so it's hard to tell right now anything reasonable based on that graph. I guess we'll need to fix it first and then recheck the trend. | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | amotoki++ | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | speaking of gate, we continue collecting gate-failures https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure | 14:37 |
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| ihrachys | not that we are very effective squashing those, but at least some got reported | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | if you have cycles to use for common good, please take one from the list and squash it | 14:38 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's move forward in the agenda | 14:38 |
| ihrachys | #topic Docs | 14:38 |
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| ihrachys | several things | 14:39 |
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| ihrachys | first I can't get bored reminding about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=doc and the need to get those fixed in due course | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | second, there is api-ref initiative rolling in scope of neutron-lib where we capture the state of neutron api | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-lib+branch:master+topic:bp/neutron-in-tree-api-ref | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | seems like this link captures a significant number of patches related to the effort. | 14:40 |
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| ihrachys | would be nice to see people reviewing those, especially where you have domain expertise in particular piece of the picture | 14:41 |
| ihrachys | other than that... I don't see Sam-I-Am so unless someone can give an update from docs team... | 14:41 |
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| ihrachys | I guess we'll move on then | 14:42 |
| amotoki | sorry for reviewing api-ref patches slowly... but I am looking them steadly. | 14:42 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Transition to OSC | 14:42 |
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| ihrachys | rtheis: howdy | 14:42 |
| rtheis | hi | 14:42 |
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| rtheis | osc 3.3.0 is out: http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/python-openstackclient/unreleased.html | 14:42 |
| rtheis | a lot of enhancements and fixes | 14:42 |
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| ihrachys | rtheis: woot. where do we stand on the path to deprecate neutronclient? :) | 14:43 |
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| rtheis | We have a lot in the review queue now and think we can do this in ocata | 14:43 |
| rtheis | We also need to handle the sdk 1.0 refactor: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/network-command-sdk-support | 14:44 |
| amotoki | it also depends on osc plugin migrations of stadium projects too. | 14:44 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: I guess their willingness to take the load can be part of stadium discussion :) | 14:45 |
| johnsom | I had a question about OSC that went unanswered in the neutron channel. I don't see an option to specify a security group when creating a port via OSC. Is that WIP or ? | 14:45 |
| rtheis | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355797/ | 14:45 |
| rtheis | johnsom: ^^^ | 14:45 |
| ajo | amotoki, do we need any api-ref patches for QoS or is that merged? | 14:45 |
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| johnsom | Thanks! | 14:46 |
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| amotoki | ajo: checking.. | 14:46 |
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| ihrachys | ajo: amotoki: let's check it offline | 14:46 |
| ihrachys | #topic Neutron-lib | 14:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Neutron-lib (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:46 | |
| ihrachys | HenryG: any worthy updates, apart from api-ref maybe? | 14:47 |
| ajo | amotoki, ack, probaby I need to bring this up in the qos meeting | 14:47 |
| ajo | let's check it online | 14:47 |
| ajo | offline | 14:47 |
| hoangcx | johnsom, Yes. I am taking care about that | 14:47 |
| ajo | sorry :) | 14:47 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's move on, I guess HenryG is off | 14:48 |
| ihrachys | #topic On Demand Agenda | 14:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "On Demand Agenda (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:48 | |
| ihrachys | there are no new topics added to the wiki page, so unless you bring something up right away, I will call it a day. | 14:48 |
| ihrachys | 3... | 14:48 |
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| ihrachys | 2... | 14:49 |
| ihrachys | 1... | 14:49 |
| ihrachys | BOOOOM | 14:49 |
| russellb | hi | 14:49 |
| hichihara | :) | 14:49 |
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| russellb | one quick note | 14:49 |
| ihrachys | russellb: ok let's pretend it did not happen. wassup | 14:49 |
| russellb | there will be an OVN launch party at the Barcelona summit, if you're interested in an invite, just PM me | 14:49 |
| russellb | that is all. | 14:49 |
| ihrachys | ok, party announcements are welcome any time ;) | 14:50 |
| russellb | ha | 14:50 |
| ihrachys | russellb: thanks for the invite! | 14:50 |
| russellb | of course | 14:50 |
| russellb | thanks to vmware for throwing a party | 14:50 |
| ihrachys | ok, we are done for today. | 14:50 |
| hichihara | +1 | 14:50 |
| dasm | thanks | 14:50 |
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| electrocucaracha | thanks ihrachys | 14:50 |
| ihrachys | thanks again folks for joining, and remember, this cycle is for all the boring things, so plan accordingly | 14:50 |
| ihrachys | ciao! | 14:50 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 14:51:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| rossella_s | thanks ihrachys | 14:51 |
| dasanind_ | thanks | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-10-11-14.01.html | 14:51 |
| rossella_s | bye! | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-10-11-14.01.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-10-11-14.01.log.html | 14:51 |
| sbelous | bye! | 14:51 |
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| hichihara | bye | 14:51 |
| hoangcx | bye | 14:51 |
| amotoki | thanks! | 14:51 |
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| sindhu | thanks! | 14:51 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: are we meeting today? | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | Who's around? | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_routed_networks | 15:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 15:07:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_routed_networks)" | 15:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_routed_networks' | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_routed_networks)" | 15:07 | |
| carl_baldwin | The summit is coming right up. | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle and I have a talk | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | yes! | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15149/scaling-up-openstack-networking-with-routed-networks | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | It should be a good time. | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Any change scheduling might work in the demo? | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | I don't think we will have the scheduler working properly yet | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | we will be able to show the update of the resource pools, though | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | That piece is working fine | 15:09 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Well, that's something. | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic docs | 15:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | I am finally doing this full steam. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll have an update today to the networking guide patch | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356013/ | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | I have gone through the config in a vagrant environment. It should be much more complete. | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | Then the docs guys can have at it. | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | I've made a couple of minor updates to the API docs too. | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374434/ | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think we're down to the nit-picking. I'll review the latest feedback today. | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thanks for the reviews. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything else on docs? | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | #topics Testing | 15:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | we have made very good progress with the tempest api test | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353115/ | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | we made it independent of the specifc physnets in the test environment | 15:16 |
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| mlavalle | so it can be executed as long as the segments extension is enabled | 15:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: That sounds like a win. | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | so I think it is good to be merged soon | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | I will take a look today and let you know if it is good for your review | 15:18 |
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| mlavalle | I plan to do the same thing with the scenario test | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks. | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | so the only test case where we will need the configuration will be the VM connectivity test | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | it should also be mergable soon | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | that's all as far as testing | 15:20 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: excellent! Thanks. | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | Let us know when you need reviews. | 15:20 |
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| mlavalle | will do | 15:20 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic instance scheduling | 15:20 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: This is you too. | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | The functionality for interacting with the placement api is complete on our side | 15:21 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: That is really good news. | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358658/ | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | the only missing piece is the attachment of aggregates to resource providers | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | when that is ready on the nova side, the only thing we need to do in our code is to uncomment 2 lines | 15:22 |
| mlavalle | so right now I am writing the unit tests | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | Are there some nova patches we can link to with Depends-On in the commit message? | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | in the patchset I pushed Sunday night the unit test framework is already there with 1 test case | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | I'll be adding test cases during the week | 15:23 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: that is a good idea | 15:23 |
| mlavalle | I'll do that | 15:24 |
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| mlavalle | That's it for today | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks. | 15:24 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Agenda | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | I don't really have anything else for today. Anyone else? | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | I made good progress with the summit presentation yesterday | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | I'll continue today | 15:25 |
| mlavalle | that's all I have | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Great, I did take a brief peak at it. Thanks for sharing that. | 15:25 |
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| mlavalle | it is still 'rough'.... | 15:26 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: That is expected. No worries. | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | Last call for the meeting... | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Going once... | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | twice... | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 15:27:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:27 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks! | 15:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-10-11-15.07.html | 15:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-10-11-15.07.txt | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | Thanks! | 15:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-10-11-15.07.log.html | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | It is great working with you. | 15:28 |
| mlavalle | same here :-) | 15:28 |
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| sripriya | #startmeeting tacker | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 16:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sripriya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:00 |
| sripriya | hello everyone | 16:00 |
| sripriya | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 16:00 | |
| tbh | o/ | 16:00 |
| manikanta_tadi | Hi all | 16:00 |
| tung_doan | o/ | 16:00 |
| vishwanathj | o/ | 16:00 |
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| neel | o/ | 16:01 |
| mike_m | o/ | 16:01 |
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| sripriya | tbh manikanta_tadi tung_doan vishwanathj neel mike_m hello | 16:01 |
| sripriya | lets get started | 16:01 |
| sripriya | #chair tbh | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: sripriya tbh | 16:02 |
| sripriya | #topic Agenda | 16:02 |
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| sripriya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Oct_11th.2C_2016 | 16:02 |
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| sripriya | we will be discussing on the 2 blueprints VNFC and NSD, also touch upon few topics for the design summit | 16:03 |
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| sripriya | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
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| sripriya | as you all know, tacker newton stable release branch is cut. hence any critical patches, important bug fixes applicable for existing features in stable/newton need to be cherry picked from master as and when the patches are merged. thanks for your cooperation. | 16:03 |
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| dkushwaha | o/ | 16:03 |
| sripriya | next... | 16:04 |
| sripriya | team: ocata development cycle will be a short one per the new format, and is targeted for release in the week of Feb 20-24 | 16:04 |
| sripriya | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 16:04 |
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| sripriya | last but not the least :-) | 16:04 |
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| sripriya | countdown to summit: 2 more weeks to go, hope you are all set for the conference and have your travel logistics planned out. | 16:04 |
| sripriya | did anyone have other announcements to make? | 16:05 |
| manikanta_tadi | Can you explain a bit abt PTG | 16:06 |
| sripriya | manikanta_tadi: thats the 1st topic today, i did not put that in the meeting agenda | 16:06 |
| sripriya | #topic PTG presence | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG presence (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 16:06 | |
| manikanta_tadi | sripriya: Ok thanks | 16:06 |
| sripriya | the 1st PTG (Project Team Gathering) is happening at Atlanta, Feb 20-24 2017. | 16:07 |
| sripriya | please read through the below link | 16:07 |
| sripriya | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 16:07 |
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| sripriya | as a team, we are asked to decide if we plan to attend this event and have our presence at PTG. | 16:07 |
| sripriya | also, sent out a mail on ML | 16:07 |
| sripriya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105309.html | 16:07 |
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| manikanta_tadi | Is it possible to attend PTG remotely ? | 16:08 |
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| sripriya | what this means is going forward after the barcelona summit, design summit will not happen in parallel to the conference at the same venue | 16:08 |
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| sripriya | no, it is a inperson gathering | 16:09 |
| sripriya | manikanta_tadi: ^ | 16:09 |
| sripriya | just like the regular design summit | 16:09 |
| manikanta_tadi | sripriya : ok | 16:09 |
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| sripriya | only difference is it happens way early before the actual conference and marks the beginning of a new dev cycle | 16:10 |
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| sripriya | existing format has conferences and dev summit aligned together, now, the release happens 3 months before the conference itself | 16:11 |
| sripriya | any questions on the PTG? | 16:11 |
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| sripriya | below are couple of choices to help make the decisions as a team | 16:12 |
| sripriya | 1. conduct virtual design summit (similar to Tacker midcycle format) around PTG timeframe. use the conference (in May) as informal midcyle gathering for those who will be attending. | 16:12 |
| sripriya | 2. conduct official design summit at PTG Atlanta, and there will be no work sessions at the conference. | 16:12 |
| sripriya | I believe 1. can work for us given most of our contributors are spread out geographically and that it may be tough for all remote folks to attend in person. | 16:13 |
| manikanta_tadi | sripriya : As tacker team is working from geographically different location, IMO option 1 will give chance to most of members | 16:13 |
| sripriya | thoughts? | 16:14 |
| sripriya | manikanta_tadi: ack | 16:14 |
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| vishwanathj | +1 on option 1 | 16:14 |
| tbh | sripriya, first option sounds more reasonable for me | 16:14 |
| mike_m | also agree with option 1 | 16:14 |
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| dkushwaha | +1 for 1 | 16:16 |
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| sripriya | thanks team for the response, looks we are all favoring option 1. will provide our decision to OSF . please feel free to let us know on the ML if you have any other thoughts. | 16:17 |
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| sripriya | moving next to blueprints | 16:17 |
| sripriya | #topic VNFC blueprint review | 16:18 |
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| sripriya | tbh: manikanta_tadi can you please provide an update on the spec? | 16:18 |
| tbh | sripriya, we got few comments from you and gongysh | 16:19 |
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| tbh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339798 | 16:19 |
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| manikanta_tadi | sripriya : I think we need to discuss on ssh driver more hre | 16:19 |
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| sripriya | tbh: i believe the decision now left for us to choose the right approach for implementing the VNFC, will it be heat or ssh driver | 16:19 |
| tbh | sripriya, agree | 16:20 |
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| manikanta_tadi | sripriya: We have Heat Software deployment solution clear and based on our discussion in spec, SSH driver has some limitations too | 16:20 |
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| sripriya | manikanta_tadi: yeah, we need to weigh in on both options | 16:21 |
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| sripriya | manikanta_tadi: tbh: the main drawbacks with ssh driver is : how do we notify the user on the outcome of the script? | 16:22 |
| tbh | sripriya, in the scaling case, I feel the time consumes by the both drivers will be same | 16:22 |
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| tbh | sripriya, yup, even in the s/w deployment scenario, we have support to get the output of the script in the heat | 16:22 |
| sripriya | tbh: in case of ssh, tacker needs to maintain the vdu scale list and ensure vnfc is applied on the scaled out vdus | 16:23 |
| tbh | sripriya, but it is not implemented yet in heat-translator. And why can't we get the output of VNFC in ssh case | 16:23 |
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| manikanta_tadi | sripriya : I believe .. we will have to rely on VNF state for outcome of script in ssh driver ? | 16:23 |
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| sripriya | tbh: suppose the user is interested in getting the outcome of certain installation steps within the script, how do we implement that? | 16:24 |
| sripriya | manikanta_tadi: ^, i'm specifically referring to the outcome /status of the steps itself | 16:25 |
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| tbh | sripriya, okay, but we can get the whole output of script | 16:26 |
| sripriya | tbh: regarding heat-translator support, i suppose they have support for softwaredeployment config itself right? | 16:27 |
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| tbh | sripriya, yes in scaling scenario, ssh driver has to make sure VNFC is deployed | 16:27 |
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| tbh | sripriya, I didn't get your previous statement | 16:28 |
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| sripriya | tbh: you mentioned about heat translator not having support yet for 'output' parameter in deployment config, did i understand it right? | 16:28 |
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| tbh | sripriya, yes, got it | 16:29 |
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| tbh | sripriya, I haven't seen 'output' support for s/w config | 16:30 |
| sripriya | tbh: i'm trying to understand what are the capabilities already supported by heat -translator and what needs to be handled in tacker if we take the heat driver approach? | 16:30 |
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| sripriya | tbh: okay | 16:30 |
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| tbh | sripriya, 1)support multi VDU for VNFC 2)Support output parameter (if it is not already there) | 16:31 |
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| tbh | sripriya, I think it is good to have these features in heat-translator and tosca-parser itself, instead of implementing in Tacker | 16:31 |
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| sripriya | tbh: manikanta_tadi: if we look into VIMS beyond, AWS also has something similar for auto installing applications | 16:32 |
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| sripriya | tbh: agree | 16:32 |
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| sripriya | tbh: manikanta_tadi another question on the upgrade | 16:32 |
| tbh | sripriya, so I believe we can have minimal changes in Tacker if we prefer heat driver | 16:33 |
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| sripriya | tbh: manikanta_tadi: when we refer to upgrade VNFC in tacker, is this the software upgrade of VNFC? | 16:33 |
| sripriya | tbh: ack | 16:33 |
| manikanta_tadi | sripriya : yes it is software upgrade | 16:33 |
| tbh | sripriya, yes | 16:33 |
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| sripriya | tbh: and will this be implemented as a stack-update ? | 16:34 |
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| tbh | sripriya, yes it will be stack-update | 16:35 |
| tbh | sripriya, one more thing regarding VNFC specification ... | 16:35 |
| sripriya | tbh: well, this means stack gets deleted and recreated with the new software/config | 16:35 |
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| tbh | as per sridhar_ram, VNFC is not in ETSI docs yet, so we can't give reference link in the BP spec | 16:36 |
| tbh | sripriya, no, we change the create node value in HOT and invoke stack-update | 16:36 |
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| tbh | sripriya, heat will identify only the diff and update it, it won't disturb other deployed resources | 16:37 |
| sripriya | tbh: got it, how did we decide upon the new node types for VNFC originally? | 16:37 |
| sripriya | tbh: i see | 16:37 |
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| tbh | sripriya, the basic assumption we consider is one VNFC per VDU | 16:38 |
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| tbh | sripriya, while upgrading we will map script to VNFC name or VDU name | 16:39 |
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| tbh | so will update only that those portions and invoke stack-update | 16:39 |
| sripriya | tbh: i was referring to the node type VNFC and its properties 'interface', 'input' etc | 16:39 |
| mike_m | tbh: yes that is what ETSI is using, VNFC == VDU, also note that VNFC is no longer in the version 2 of the ETSI NFV spec. | 16:40 |
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| sripriya | tbh: okay, let us continue to take this discussion on the gerrit as we have other pending topics in the agenda | 16:41 |
| tbh | sripriya, I think in VNFC node properties, the variable is input and create value | 16:41 |
| sripriya | tbh: i think taking the heat driver approach will help us implement this feature a lot easier | 16:41 |
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| tbh | mike_m, I see, and VNFC we mean s/w component hosted by VDU | 16:42 |
| tbh | sripriya, totally agree | 16:42 |
| sripriya | tbh: please respin the patch based on these suggestions and we will take it forward | 16:42 |
| tbh | sripriya, sure | 16:42 |
| mike_m | tbh: it seems so, although the ETSI version 2 model is confusing now | 16:42 |
| sripriya | moving on to next blueprint, NSD | 16:42 |
| sripriya | #topic NSD mistral integration | 16:43 |
| tbh | mike_m, exactly :) | 16:43 |
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| sripriya | dkushwaha: can you please give an update on the NSD spec? | 16:43 |
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| dkushwaha | sripriya, I got the comments from you and will update the spec. | 16:44 |
| dkushwaha | sripriya, Our current main concern is to finalize the design approach, i.e. 1: using tacker itself 2: using mistral workflow | 16:44 |
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| dkushwaha | sripriya, thoughts from the team required on that | 16:45 |
| sripriya | dkushwaha: bringing in mistral helps in handling complex workflows specified in NSD | 16:45 |
| sripriya | dkushwaha: especially when we start integrating VNFFG in NSD | 16:46 |
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| sripriya | team, dkushwaha is looking for suggestions on integrating mistral in Tacker and the general approach using Tacker itself | 16:47 |
| tbh | sripriya, dkushwaha just for confirmation, mistral workflows for handling VNFD and VNF operations right? | 16:47 |
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| sripriya | tbh: and more such as handle VNFFG as well in future iterations | 16:48 |
| dkushwaha | tbh, right, nsd use mistral for vnfd/vnf operations | 16:48 |
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| tbh | sripriya, dkushwaha got it | 16:48 |
| tbh | sripriya, dkushwaha and I assume we are not supporting VNFD in the NSD? | 16:49 |
| sripriya | tbh: dkushwaha it will be beneficial to use mistral when we have a dependency workflow such as certain VNF should only be created after some initial steps are completed | 16:50 |
| sripriya | tbh: i think we support | 16:50 |
| sripriya | dkushwaha: please correct | 16:50 |
| tbh | sripriya, I am looking into using substitution_mappings for linking VNFD in NSD, so want to know do we support VNFD in the NSD itself | 16:50 |
| dkushwaha | tbh, what is mean by supporting vnfd? | 16:50 |
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| tbh | dkushwaha, only one NSD, all VDU details are mentioned in the same template | 16:51 |
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| dkushwaha | tbh, initially we will support already created vnfds | 16:52 |
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| dkushwaha | tbh, in that case vnds will be be in different template | 16:52 |
| tbh | dkushwaha, by mentioning VNFD ID/ | 16:52 |
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| sripriya | tbh: dkushwaha: sorry to interrupt, can we please carry forward this discussion on to the gerrit spec review or on the tacker channel | 16:53 |
| tbh | sripriya, yeah sure | 16:53 |
| sripriya | we have couple more items to touch open before we wrap up the meeting in exactly 7 mins :-) | 16:53 |
| sripriya | #topic Ocata design summit grooming | 16:54 |
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| sripriya | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-ocata-summit | 16:54 |
| sripriya | the 2 topics for fishbowl are containerized VNFs and multi VIM suppotr | 16:54 |
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| sripriya | tbh: i would request you to prepare few slides on the containerized VNFs to initiate the discussions | 16:55 |
| tbh | sripriya, ok | 16:56 |
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| sripriya | tbh: i think it will good to understand some usecases and challenges and how we plan to integrate using existing projects such as magnum, etc and come up with the 1st iteration | 16:56 |
| sripriya | tbh: thanks | 16:56 |
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| sripriya | mike_m: i guess you expressed interest in multi VIM topic and em interface | 16:57 |
| mike_m | sripriya: yes I did. | 16:57 |
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| sripriya | mike_m: it will be great to have some points added in etherpad to highlight some of the areas we want to discuss or get feeedback from the users | 16:58 |
| mike_m | sripriya: yes I will add points to etherpad | 16:58 |
| sripriya | it will help us all better prepare for the sessions | 16:58 |
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| sripriya | mike_m: thanks | 16:58 |
| sripriya | we can discuss more on the design summit in the next meeting | 16:59 |
| sripriya | #Open Discussion | 16:59 |
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| sripriya | please continue to utilize the current ramp up time to groom the ocata specs and help land them soon. it will be easier to quick start the development/review of these features early in the cycle. | 16:59 |
| sripriya | thats all for today | 17:00 |
| sripriya | thanks for joining the meeting folks! | 17:00 |
| vishwanathj | thanks | 17:00 |
| sripriya | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add patch list in etherpad to improve the efficiency of reviewing/merging patches (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 17:00:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-10-11-16.00.html | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-10-11-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-10-11-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| igordcard | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 17:00:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is igordcard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 17:00 |
| igordcard | hi all | 17:00 |
| igordcard | let's wait 2 minutes to improve the chances of everyone being around | 17:00 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 17:00 |
| igordcard | hi ralonsoh | 17:00 |
| davidsha | Hi | 17:01 |
| igordcard | hi davidsha | 17:01 |
| dkushwaha | hi | 17:01 |
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| igordcard | is ajo around? | 17:02 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: He was on this morning, but haven't seen him online since 12:00 UTC I think. | 17:04 |
| * njohnston watches from the sidelines | 17:04 | |
| igordcard | giving 2 more minutes so key stakeholders like ajo and cathy can arrive | 17:04 |
| igordcard | hi njohnston | 17:04 |
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| davidsha | njohnston: hey | 17:05 |
| igordcard | I won't go through the agenda again this time | 17:06 |
| igordcard | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonFlowClassifier#Discussion_Topic_11_October_2016 | 17:06 |
| igordcard | but I have created an Etherpad so we can add the major points to be discussed at the summit: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-common-classification-framework-barcelona | 17:06 |
| igordcard | I'll send an email to the ML regarding a summit meet-up | 17:07 |
| igordcard | regarding the OVS flow management, the spec is still up: | 17:07 |
| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320439 | 17:08 |
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| igordcard | anything to discuss before I end the meeting? | 17:09 |
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| njohnston | The OVS flow management, when it is adopted... will the existing OVS firewall implementation of security groups in neutron change to accomodate that? | 17:11 |
| ralonsoh | must change | 17:11 |
| igordcard | #action igordcard: Send email about common classification framework summit meet-up | 17:11 |
| ralonsoh | because firewall modifies the flows | 17:12 |
| davidsha | njohnston: That is the plan, if it doesn't the pipeline simply won't work. | 17:12 |
| ralonsoh | and the only one now modifying those flows is the flow manager | 17:12 |
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| njohnston | I thought so; I've been out of the loop on this, but since I am going to be trying to implement similar functionality (OVS flow-based firewalling - https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1627785) in FWaaS, but that makes sense. | 17:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1627785 in neutron "[RFE] Create FWaaS driver for OVS firewalls" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Nate Johnston (nate-johnston) | 17:12 |
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| ralonsoh | I think this firewall is out of scope | 17:13 |
| igordcard | ralonsoh: in what sense? | 17:14 |
| davidsha | I'll be pushing to get an up to date patch for the flow manager up before the summit, if we can get another core reviewer to look at the spec and approve it we should be good. | 17:14 |
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| ralonsoh | well, actually fwaas is a L2 extension | 17:15 |
| ralonsoh | yes | 17:15 |
| ralonsoh | you are right | 17:15 |
| ralonsoh | all extensions using OVS must be adapted | 17:16 |
| ralonsoh | that means: flow manager should be aware of them | 17:16 |
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| njohnston | very good - I'll be at the meet-up in Barcelona! | 17:16 |
| davidsha | Same! | 17:16 |
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| igordcard | okay, so there is the need for a flow management meet-up and a classification meet-up | 17:17 |
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| igordcard | as such, here's a new etherpad: | 17:17 |
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| igordcard | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-ovs-flow-management-barcelona | 17:17 |
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| davidsha | Thanks | 17:18 |
| njohnston | thanks! | 17:18 |
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| igordcard | davidsha mentioned his OVS flow management code, you can check it here: | 17:19 |
| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323963 | 17:19 |
| davidsha | igordcard: I've added it to the etherpad also | 17:19 |
| igordcard | any other discussion points? | 17:20 |
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| njohnston | None here | 17:22 |
| igordcard | alright! thank you all! | 17:22 |
| njohnston | Thanks! | 17:22 |
| davidsha | Thanks | 17:22 |
| igordcard | we won't have an IRC meeting next time (in 2 weeks) since we'll be at the summit | 17:22 |
| igordcard | thanks! | 17:23 |
| igordcard | bye | 17:23 |
| igordcard | #endmeeting | 17:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 17:23:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2016/network_common_flow_classifier.2016-10-11-17.00.html | 17:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2016/network_common_flow_classifier.2016-10-11-17.00.txt | 17:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2016/network_common_flow_classifier.2016-10-11-17.00.log.html | 17:23 |
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| stevemar | ping for meeting! ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, crinkle, claudiub, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, jaugustine, joesavak, jorge_munoz, knikolla, lbragstad, MaxPC, morgan, nishaYadav, nkinder, notmorgan, raildo, rodrigods, rderose, roxanaghe, samleon, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, xek | 17:58 |
| crinkle | o/ | 17:58 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 17:59 |
| rderose | o/ | 17:59 |
| ayoung | W00t! | 17:59 |
| amakarov | hey! | 17:59 |
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| gagehugo | hey | 17:59 |
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| samueldmq | hi keystoners! | 17:59 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 17:59:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 17:59 | |
| stevemar | o/ | 17:59 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 17:59 |
| knikolla | o/ hey everyone! | 17:59 |
| browne | hi | 17:59 |
| jaugustine | o/ | 17:59 |
| lamt | o/ | 17:59 |
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| stevemar | heyooo | 18:00 |
| nishaYadv_ | hey | 18:00 |
| stevemar | meeting agenda; https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| stevemar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| stevemar | wait another minute til everyone shows up :) | 18:01 |
| stevemar | henrynash mentioned he's on vacation this week | 18:01 |
| stevemar | slacker | 18:01 |
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| bknudson | hi. I've got another meeting in 30 mins | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: thanks for the heads up | 18:02 |
| stevemar | #topic design sessions at summit | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "design sessions at summit (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:02 | |
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| ayoung | Congrats to stevemar on getting on the TC. Well done | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 18:02 |
| crinkle | ++ | 18:02 |
| stevemar | ayoung: thanks boss! | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | stevemar congrats! :) | 18:02 |
| stevemar | i was pleasantly surprised :) | 18:02 |
| ayoung | boss? I think you misspelled topol | 18:02 |
| bknudson | now we have to watch what we say about the TC. | 18:02 |
| dolphm | ++ | 18:02 |
| stevemar | hehe | 18:02 |
| gagehugo | Grats! | 18:02 |
| lamt | grats! | 18:03 |
| amakarov | Cool! | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | With morgan stepping down, they knew they needed someone to keep an eye on security type issues | 18:03 |
| stevemar | thanks if you voted for me, not so thanks if you didn't -_- | 18:03 |
| stevemar | :) | 18:03 |
| bknudson | now you can jail your rivals. | 18:03 |
| stevemar | lol | 18:03 |
| ayoung | Not in Canada he can't. | 18:04 |
| knikolla | stevemar, congrats! | 18:04 |
| stevemar | thank you all for the congrats :D | 18:04 |
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| nishaYadv_ | congrats stevemar :) | 18:05 |
| stevemar | back to the topic on hand -- design sessions | 18:05 |
| stevemar | i sent out a note to the ML about this | 18:05 |
| stevemar | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105239.html | 18:05 |
| stevemar | each work session and fishbowl has an etherpad which i've primed with some content | 18:06 |
| stevemar | the fishbowls are: retrospective, unconference, ocata priorities | 18:06 |
| stevemar | we've got one more -- any suggestions? | 18:06 |
| stevemar | or should i hand it back? | 18:07 |
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| stevemar | *crickets* | 18:08 |
| breton | what should happen there? | 18:08 |
| breton | in the fishbowl | 18:08 |
| stevemar | any large group discussion | 18:08 |
| breton | we could talk to folks from other projects about moving quota limits to keystone | 18:08 |
| amakarov | Shall we drive any cross-project initiatives? | 18:08 |
| ayoung | breton, we could, but we won't | 18:08 |
| amakarov | breton: ++ | 18:08 |
| breton | ayoung: why :( | 18:09 |
| stevemar | last time i had a "cross-project" fishbowl no one from another project showed up | 18:09 |
| breton | ok | 18:09 |
| nishaYadv_ | :( | 18:09 |
| stevemar | only lhcheng did, cause he was core on horizon and keystone | 18:09 |
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| ayoung | breton, because we had that discussion at several other summits, and when we do, we walk down the same path and the cinder and neutron and nova guys all agree it don't belong in Keystone | 18:10 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: was it on the cross-project track or the keystone track? | 18:10 |
| stevemar | dolphm: this was before CP tracks were a thing | 18:10 |
| amakarov | ayoung: so it's carved in stone then? | 18:10 |
| dolphm | ayoung: breton: i personally think it belongs in a standalone service | 18:10 |
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| stevemar | breton: it'll be hard to push the quota stuff forward with just keystone folks in the room | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | dolphm ++ | 18:11 |
| amakarov | dolphm: agreed | 18:11 |
| ayoung | amakarov, no, it is not carved in stone. It just is like a glitch in the matrix...deja vu all over again | 18:11 |
| stevemar | breton: just from a logistics point of view, the fishbowl will be 90% keystone devs | 18:11 |
| breton | then i shall have to go to their sessions | 18:12 |
| breton | stevemar: got it | 18:12 |
| stevemar | breton: there was a cross-project track did you propose it there? | 18:12 |
| ayoung | amakarov, the easy part is saying "sure, put it in Keystone" the hard part is figuring out what "it" is. | 18:12 |
| stevemar | breton: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cross-project-sessions | 18:12 |
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| breton | stevemar: thanks, will do now | 18:12 |
| breton | ayoung: quota limits | 18:12 |
| amakarov | ayoung: that'd be good to establish some better cross-project communications, I think. Is there some people responsible? | 18:12 |
| ayoung | I'm willing to entertain the discussion, but we have danced that dance at a few Balls before. | 18:12 |
| stevemar | breton: the schedule for cross project has been decided :( | 18:12 |
| breton | stevemar: > by turn of day Oct 1st if possible | 18:13 |
| breton | stevemar: yeah, that's bad | 18:13 |
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| stevemar | breton: there is a list of all the decided CP workshops: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Cross+Project+workshops | 18:14 |
| stevemar | so if no one has any other ideas for the fishbowl i'll give it back (provided i don't think of something) | 18:15 |
| stevemar | we could talk about the spec process? if bugs are triaged well enough? are we fixing the important issues? etc... | 18:16 |
| stevemar | maybe the liason roles? | 18:16 |
| stevemar | there's also an "unconference" session: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-keystone-unconference | 18:17 |
| stevemar | in the etherpad that listed the stuff folks wanted to talk about, there were some that didn't really fit into a specific category, so i created this one to lump things into | 18:17 |
| stevemar | amakarov and ayoung your stuff is here (redis hashes and novajoin) | 18:18 |
| amakarov | stevemar: ack | 18:18 |
| ayoung | stevemar, ++ | 18:18 |
| dolphm | there was definitely another project on the mailing list asking for a session slot | 18:18 |
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| rderose | off the top of my head, it would be nice to have more collaboration with Horizon, so that when we add new features; they get added to Horizon in a timely manner | 18:18 |
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| dolphm | including basic domain-admin use cases :) | 18:19 |
| stevemar | rderose: not like the lingering k2k auth :( | 18:19 |
| rderose | exactly | 18:19 |
| rderose | :) | 18:19 |
| stevemar | rderose: and your PCI stuff | 18:19 |
| rderose | yeah | 18:19 |
| topol | o/ | 18:20 |
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| stevemar | let me ping richjones and see what he says | 18:20 |
| stevemar | i'm down for it though | 18:20 |
| jamielennox | i have a spec i'm hoping to write up between now and then, but i can just bring that up in some of the work sessions | 18:20 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: sounds good to me | 18:21 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: there should be one you can logically add it to | 18:21 |
| stevemar | #topic Add 2 tests to tempest | 18:21 |
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| nishaYadv_ | I would like to write the tests :) | 18:22 |
| samueldmq | nishaYadv_: ++ | 18:22 |
| stevemar | nishaYadv_: works for me :) | 18:22 |
| jamielennox | wow - that was easy, excellent | 18:22 |
| stevemar | haha | 18:22 |
| samueldmq | that also solves next topic | 18:22 |
| stevemar | can't everything be that easy ! | 18:22 |
| samueldmq | which was nishaYadv_ looking for work to do | 18:22 |
| nishaYadv_ | :D yup | 18:22 |
| knikolla | well, i don't think this fits the ~10 days? | 18:23 |
| stevemar | defcore tests for keystone are pretty narrow in scope right now, mostly because they only test non-admin function | 18:23 |
| nishaYadv_ | hurray! I would take some help from the community channel | 18:23 |
| stevemar | knikolla: eh, things can take a while to merge for tempest | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | stevemar i see someone posted questions about the defcore tests | 18:23 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: yeah, getting to that | 18:23 |
| nishaYadv_ | SO, I will start working on the tests and continue working on them even after 10 days :) | 18:23 |
| bknudson | defcore is GET /v3 and POST /v3/auth/tokens as far as I can tell | 18:23 |
| stevemar | bknudson: correct | 18:23 |
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| nishaYadv_ | I just, want few patches out for review by 10 days :) | 18:24 |
| samueldmq | nishaYadv_: is it acceptable for your college project that you have patches submitted and under review ? | 18:24 |
| dolphm | bknudson: pretty much | 18:24 |
| bknudson | https://refstack.openstack.org/api/v1/guidelines/2016.08/tests | 18:24 |
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| nishaYadv_ | samueldmq, yeah, it would be okay, would have been better if they get merged too. | 18:24 |
| nishaYadv_ | got* | 18:24 |
| bknudson | also https://refstack.openstack.org/#/guidelines | 18:24 |
| nishaYadv_ | btw, is there also any deadline for the tempest tests? | 18:24 |
| samueldmq | nishaYadv_: kk, just making sure it'd work the other way too | 18:24 |
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| stevemar | nishaYadv_: no deadline | 18:25 |
| samueldmq | nishaYadv_: I don't think so, just the normal review process | 18:25 |
| nishaYadv_ | Considering we have Summit week( my very first), I might not be able to contribute during that time :( | 18:25 |
| jamielennox | if you harass some of the tempest people and tell them why you'll probably get it merged there | 18:25 |
| nishaYadv_ | stevemar, great | 18:25 |
| samueldmq | jamielennox: ++ | 18:25 |
| knikolla | they live in openstack-qa | 18:25 |
| nishaYadv_ | thanks jamielennox , samueldmq | 18:26 |
| stevemar | nishaYadv_: mtreinish is core there and can help you review your patches (you can add me too) | 18:26 |
| stevemar | does anyone have any issues with adding tests? | 18:26 |
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| stevemar | *cough* dolphm *cough* | 18:27 |
| nishaYadv_ | stevemar, noted ++ | 18:27 |
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| dolphm | i mean, i'm never opposed to more test coverage | 18:27 |
| dolphm | but i was trying to figure out the use case for the /groups call | 18:27 |
| stevemar | i realize this may put more work for some folks that actually run public and private clouds | 18:27 |
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| stevemar | dolphm: i didn't even know we had that API! | 18:27 |
| dolphm | same, and i don't know *why* we have that API either | 18:28 |
| stevemar | dolphm: i'd be OK with not including it | 18:28 |
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| dolphm | so, it's: | 18:29 |
| dolphm | GET /v3/users/{authenticated_user_id} | 18:29 |
| dolphm | POST /v3/users/{authenticated_user_id}/password | 18:29 |
| dolphm | GET /v3/users/{authenticated_user_id}/projects | 18:29 |
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| dolphm | so, 3 tests? | 18:29 |
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| stevemar | not even -- 2 is done here: https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/api/identity/v3/test_users.py#L35-L77 and 3 is done here: https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/api/identity/v3/test_projects.py#L26-L58 | 18:30 |
| stevemar | its just one test (if we don't include the group one) | 18:30 |
| stevemar | nishaYadv_: that may not be enough :( | 18:30 |
| stevemar | nishaYadv_: actually, you can add the 2 tests | 18:32 |
| nishaYadv_ | stevemar, so I have one or two tests to write? | 18:32 |
| stevemar | dolphm: when I propose the defcore tests, i'll exclude the group one | 18:32 |
| dolphm | so we're missing coverage for GET /v3/users/{authenticated_user_id} | 18:32 |
| stevemar | yes | 18:32 |
| dolphm | stevemar: sounds good ; if there's a use case for exposing it on it's own to end users, i'd be eager to hear it | 18:32 |
| stevemar | nishaYadv_: two please! | 18:33 |
| nishaYadv_ | stevemar, sure | 18:33 |
| dolphm | stevemar: what's the second test? | 18:33 |
| dolphm | besides GET /v3/users/{authenticated_user_id} | 18:33 |
| stevemar | dolphm: /v3/users/{authenticated_user_id} and /v3/users/{authenticated_user_id}/groups | 18:33 |
| dolphm | stevemar: oh so you want to test it, but not submit it for defcore | 18:33 |
| nishaYadv_ | stevemar, can I add some documentation regarding them too? Or are there any other easy patches/tests required? | 18:33 |
| stevemar | dolphm: correct | 18:33 |
| stevemar | nishaYadv_: let's switch topics for that | 18:34 |
| stevemar | #topic Looking for easy task/features related to keystone that can be implemented | 18:34 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: reasonable, it should be tested if it's accessible | 18:34 |
| stevemar | anyone have suggestions here? | 18:34 |
| stevemar | dolphm: right, thats what i figure | 18:34 |
| ayoung | Unified Delegation? | 18:34 |
| samueldmq | lol | 18:34 |
| dolphm | stevemar: to be fair, everything that we think is easy ends up being like a year of work | 18:34 |
| ayoung | Dynamic Policy? | 18:34 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: all easy suggestions | 18:35 |
| samueldmq | ++ | 18:35 |
| nishaYadv_ | year of work :o | 18:35 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: i think nishaYadv_ is looking for something in the 10day range :P | 18:35 |
| nishaYadv_ | stevemar, ++ | 18:35 |
| dolphm | bug fix? | 18:35 |
| samueldmq | that's why I thing those tests are doable | 18:35 |
| ayoung | Such a thing does not exist | 18:35 |
| samueldmq | dolphm: yes, or a bug fix | 18:35 |
| dolphm | docs? | 18:35 |
| ayoung | Getting a typo fixed requires at least 2 releases | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | adding filtering for credentials based on type/ | 18:36 |
| dolphm | ++ have to deprecate the old spelling | 18:36 |
| dolphm | and include a release note so people can find the new spelling | 18:36 |
| nishaYadv_ | ayoung, So, shall I just go through documentation to find typos ? | 18:36 |
| stevemar | nishaYadv_: oh maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1523369 ? | 18:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1523369 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "clean a user's default project if the project has been deleted" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 18:37 |
| stevemar | nishaYadv_: someone proposed a patch and abandoned it | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | or - https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1460492 | 18:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1460492 in python-openstackclient "List credentials by type" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 18:37 |
| amakarov | nishaYadv_: How about redis hash driver for dogpile.cache? )) | 18:37 |
| dolphm | dogpile already supports redis, no? | 18:37 |
| nishaYadv_ | amakarov, stevemar dolphm I don't really know what would be most suitable for me | 18:37 |
| stevemar | amakarov: that doesn't sound easy at all | 18:38 |
| nishaYadv_ | As an Outreachy OpenStack intern (May-Aug '16) I wrote functional tests for the keystone client library and improved docs for v3. But I don't have much knowledge beyond that. | 18:38 |
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| dolphm | nishaYadv_: it's a frequent question, and it's hard to answer because those types of tasks get handled quickly | 18:38 |
| amakarov | dolphm: it does, but not as it should be used | 18:38 |
| stevemar | nishaYadv_: i think https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1523369 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1460492 are good candidates | 18:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1523369 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "clean a user's default project if the project has been deleted" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 18:39 |
| dolphm | nishaYadv_: i believe i remember those tests :) | 18:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1460492 in python-openstackclient "List credentials by type" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 18:39 |
| amakarov | stevemar: I have already started that - tests are needed | 18:39 |
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| stevemar | nishaYadv_: take a look at the bugs i mentioned, read through them and get back to me after the meeting? | 18:40 |
| amakarov | That's not a rocket science - we just need to compare performance. That can be done locally | 18:40 |
| nishaYadv_ | amakarov, which tests are you taking about here? | 18:40 |
| nishaYadv_ | stevemar, sure, I can do that. Thanks | 18:40 |
| amakarov | nishaYadv_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382576/ | 18:41 |
| amakarov | those, that are yet to be written :) | 18:41 |
| amakarov | oh and pep8 of course | 18:41 |
| nishaYadv_ | amakarov, alright ;) | 18:42 |
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| dolphm | and pep257 | 18:42 |
| stevemar | nishaYadv_: take a look at them, see judge for yourself, feel free to ask me questions in -keystone | 18:42 |
| amakarov | actual backend is ready, tests are needed and configuration settings | 18:42 |
| nishaYadv_ | stevemar, sure, looking, thanks | 18:43 |
| stevemar | #topic Mailing list post | 18:43 |
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| stevemar | Anyone want to chime in on [Magnum][Kuryr][Keystone] Securing services in container orchestration ? | 18:43 |
| stevemar | Kubernetes and Swarn knowledge is recommended | 18:43 |
| stevemar | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105304.html | 18:43 |
| stevemar | my kubernetes game is weak | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, I have in the past. I keep telling them not to do it. | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | oh, huh, this might dovetail into my spec | 18:44 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, which? | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: one i briefly discussed last summit, got dissuaded, and want to write up in full for BCN | 18:45 |
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| jamielennox | then again, probably not | 18:46 |
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| jamielennox | so - oauth? | 18:46 |
| ayoung | I can talk with the folks at the summit about Keystone and Kubernetes. | 18:47 |
| jamielennox | could the individual kube deploys be registered as oauth services? | 18:47 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: oauth is possible here i think | 18:47 |
| ayoung | oauth probably as good a mechanism to standardize on as any | 18:47 |
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| stevemar | we should get back to them anyway, anyone want to pick this up? | 18:48 |
| amakarov | ayoung: and oauth2 is even better - one can declare almost everything as oauth2 compliant )) | 18:48 |
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| stevemar | amakarov: ha | 18:48 |
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| ayoung | actually, I hate OAUTH, but then, I hate everything | 18:49 |
| jamielennox | I can follow this up i guess | 18:49 |
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| stevemar | jamielennox: thanks, let me know if you want to bounce ideas | 18:49 |
| jamielennox | meh, oauth is fine, and better than them storing creds on the vms | 18:49 |
| stevemar | #topic open discussion | 18:49 |
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| lbragstad | I have a pile of reviews that clean up the token provider - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:cleanup-token-provider | 18:50 |
| amakarov | jamielennox: ++ | 18:50 |
| lbragstad | in case anyone is interested in reviewing those | 18:50 |
| knikolla | stevemar, you "skipped" the skipped tests | 18:50 |
| stevemar | knikolla: :O | 18:50 |
| lbragstad | I also have reviews across several projects to make fernet default - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystone+branch:master+topic:make-fernet-default | 18:50 |
| stevemar | knikolla: talk in -keystone? | 18:50 |
| stevemar | lots of LDAP tests being skipped :( | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | so my only plug is that i have most of what seems to be required for fetching expired tokens in this topic: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/allow-expired it's not done but it seems to work for me and it would be good if people can have a play before BCN | 18:51 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: awesome | 18:51 |
| jamielennox | lots of qualifiers in that statement | 18:51 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: hehe | 18:51 |
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| stevemar | lbragstad: if you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379334/ i'll review you stuff | 18:51 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, glad to look at them | 18:51 |
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| stevemar | jamielennox: the earlier the better for that stuff, land it soon | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | stevemar sure thing | 18:52 |
| knikolla | stevemar, i need to get lunch after this meeting. | 18:52 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, great | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | ayoung thanks | 18:52 |
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| jamielennox | i have to clean up some lbragstad comments in the spec | 18:52 |
| jamielennox | also i dislike the raw ?allow_expired without an =value, but i guess we have used it in the past | 18:52 |
| stevemar | rderose / lbragstad do you guys have a blueprint for the mapping engine work? | 18:53 |
| jamielennox | i have to manually construct the requests from auth_token then because requests and others don't recognize ?X without the = as params | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | stevemar nope - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/shadow-mapping | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | unless rderose has it somewhere | 18:53 |
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| stevemar | lbragstad: I'll create it and target Ocata-1 :) | 18:54 |
| knikolla | also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320623/ is still waiting for some love. | 18:55 |
| lbragstad | stevemar awesome - thanks | 18:55 |
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| stevemar | knikolla: dammit, i said i would look at that | 18:55 |
| jamielennox | knikolla: ah, i did run that and realized you need an existing IDP to point it at? | 18:55 |
| stevemar | knikolla: the amount of tabs i have open is not doing down | 18:55 |
| jamielennox | it doesn't construct anything for you | 18:55 |
| knikolla | jamielennox, you can tell it to set up a k2k idp. | 18:56 |
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| jamielennox | knikolla: and map back onto itself? | 18:56 |
| knikolla | stevemar, i installed a plugin to limit my open tabs to 6. has done me wonders. | 18:56 |
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| knikolla | jamielennox, you tell it the url of the service provider, so it can be itself, or it can be another devstack running the plugin. | 18:56 |
| knikolla | jamielennox, there's /devstack/README.rst with information | 18:57 |
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| stevemar | knikolla: wasn't there something that setup an idp for you? | 18:57 |
| jamielennox | ok, i can give that a go | 18:57 |
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| stevemar | knikolla: i guess i could point it to testshib | 18:57 |
| jamielennox | stevemar: we discussed doing that but it wasn't part of this patch | 18:57 |
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| jamielennox | stevemar: there's already LDAP in devstack, so we were discussing extending it to LDAP+shib as an IDP | 18:57 |
| stevemar | that makes sense to me | 18:58 |
| jamielennox | which i think would be the most interesting usage here, but it can be a follow up patch | 18:58 |
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| stevemar | i gotta get an LDAP functional test setup dang it | 18:58 |
| stevemar | alright, one more meeting until summit? | 18:59 |
| knikolla | yup | 18:59 |
| stevemar | PM me if you have questions | 18:59 |
| stevemar | thanks for coming all | 18:59 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 18:59:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-10-11-17.59.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-10-11-17.59.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-10-11-17.59.log.html | 18:59 |
| pleia2 | infra friends o/ | 19:00 |
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| olaph | o/ | 19:00 |
| clarkb | hello | 19:00 |
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| crinkle | o/ | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | will give folks a couple minutes to join us | 19:00 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| nibalizer | o/ | 19:00 |
| rattboi | o/ | 19:00 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 19:00 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:00 |
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| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 19:00 |
| ianw | hi | 19:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 19:01 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 19:02:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pleia2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| pleia2 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
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| pleia2 | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| pleia2 | so I'm here chairing because | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | #info reminder: fungi is on vacation October 8-16, ask pleia2 if you need things done prior to his return | 19:03 |
| clarkb | fungi ran away from hurricane olaph | 19:03 |
| anteaya | to Canada | 19:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | :S | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | and in other news... | 19:04 |
| anteaya | on a boat | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | #info Our infrastructrure made it through another OpenStack release, hooray Newton! | 19:04 |
| Zara | \o/ | 19:04 |
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| pleia2 | so congrats everyone :) | 19:04 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | any other announcements? | 19:04 |
| clarkb | the summit is in 2 weeks | 19:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | can't wait ^ | 19:04 |
| rcarrillocruz | :-) | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | #info The Summit is coming up in 2 weeks | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | (we have an agenda item on that later) | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:05 |
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| pleia2 | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-10-04-19.03.log.html | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | 1. (none) | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | done and done ;) | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | #topic Specs approval | 19:06 |
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| pleia2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/381330 Zuul v3: correct vagueness in describing job inheritance | 19:06 |
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| pleia2 | since this was a "sync with reality change" it was only supposed to stay open until Thursday, October 6, but I think between hurricane prep and trip prep, fungi didn't get to it, folks can still chime in if they want | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | I imagine he'll approve when he gets back | 19:06 |
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| pleia2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/381329 Zuul v3: update with Ansible role information | 19:07 |
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| pleia2 | on behalf of jeblair, this one is also open from the last meeting, but no deadline was set on it so just know that it's still out there if you haven't looked at it yet | 19:07 |
| pleia2 | any other specs to look at? | 19:07 |
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| pleia2 | and it doesn't look like we have anything from the Priority Efforts this week, so I'll just move on to the other topics unless anyone comes up with anything in the next couple minutes | 19:08 |
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| rcarrillocruz | infracloud is related to my cacti item, so i'll just wait | 19:08 |
| pleia2 | sounds good | 19:09 |
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| pleia2 | alright then, we'll move along to the other topics | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | #topic Ocata Summit Planning (pleia2, c/o fungi) | 19:10 |
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| pleia2 | fungi sent an email last week about firming up our design summit sessions | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-October/004768.html | 19:11 |
| pleia2 | he made a proposal there as to what to do, please read it if you haven't yet, there were crickets on the mailing list :) | 19:11 |
| Zara | ah, sorry, it worked for me so I just didn't say anything | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | me too | 19:12 |
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| pleia2 | I have keys to add them to the schedule, just want to make sure we have some vague consensus here | 19:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | erm , yeah | 19:12 |
| SotK | me also | 19:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | i could have just nod about th einfracloud items myself | 19:12 |
| bkero | Maybe fungi needs to do a worse job so we have something to complain about next time. :) | 19:12 |
| anteaya | pleia2: I'm not attending so I have no opinion | 19:12 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'll reply afterwards | 19:13 |
| clarkb | ya I didn't really have any opposition to what was there | 19:13 |
| pleia2 | nibalizer, jhesketh? | 19:13 |
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| rcarrillocruz | bkero: haha, that'll be a tough one :-) | 19:13 |
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| jhesketh | pleia2: sadly I won't be at the summit :-( | 19:14 |
| anteaya | jhesketh: :( | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | a lot of that this time around | 19:14 |
| Zara | :( | 19:14 |
| anteaya | jhesketh: we can be not at the summit together | 19:14 |
| nibalizer | ill be at the summit, yes | 19:15 |
| nibalizer | but cant see the sechedule becauae phone-- | 19:15 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: your apple device can't look at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-October/004768.html ? | 19:15 |
| jhesketh | anteaya: oh exciting, I'll get to see Canada instead :-) | 19:15 |
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| anteaya | jhesketh: would love to have you here | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: you and your fancy web | 19:16 |
| clarkb | I just have to give nibalizer a hard time for his apple device >_> | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:16 |
| bkero | Next time maybe a device that can open URLs. | 19:16 |
| nibalizer | its more loke i switched to weechat | 19:16 |
| nibalizer | ans cant get the nicklist to go away, so i cant click the url | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | alright, that's consensus enough and we all did collaborate on the etherpad, I'll work on figuring out the UI for this scheduling thing this afternoon and add stuff | 19:17 |
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| nibalizer | this worked fine on my irssi >.> | 19:17 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: I can help after meeting if you like | 19:17 |
| nibalizer | kk | 19:17 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: that large nicklist | 19:17 |
| nibalizer | pleia2: thanks | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | #action pleia2 to add infra summit schedule | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | ok, let's move along then | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | #topic Replacement of cacti node (rcarrillocruz) | 19:18 |
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| pleia2 | rcarrillocruz: floor is yours :) | 19:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | so, our cacti is sad | 19:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | we need a bigger instance | 19:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | which I have created | 19:18 |
| rcarrillocruz | i have two changes for that | 19:18 |
| nibalizer | yay | 19:18 |
| pleia2 | oh good | 19:18 |
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| rcarrillocruz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383761/ | 19:19 |
| rcarrillocruz | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378996/ | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383761/ | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378996/ | 19:19 |
| rcarrillocruz | and i'd like to hear how people want to proceed | 19:19 |
| rcarrillocruz | should we schedule a schdule window or we just do it? | 19:19 |
| rcarrillocruz | i believe it's struggling regardless, not that we will miss much functionality | 19:19 |
| rcarrillocruz | also , INFRACLOUD | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | afaict it's useless at the moment | 19:20 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: on the firewall front I think you should keep both IPs in the fireawll to start | 19:20 |
| clarkb | then remove the old one when things are happy | 19:20 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i've held up chocolate setup on nodepool just to not worsen things | 19:20 |
| rcarrillocruz | clarkb: good call | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | I'm inclined to suggest we do this ASAP | 19:20 |
| pleia2 | but we do have a pretty lean crew this week | 19:20 |
| rcarrillocruz | so as soon as we get a new cacti, we can get chocolate rolling (and start looking at newton redeploy) | 19:20 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: I will leave comments, as for scheduling we don't have any major outages planned between now and summit where we might want to avoid cacti outages so I think we can just do it | 19:21 |
| rcarrillocruz | the process would be stop cacti, umount fs, detach cinder volume, attach on new machine, mount fs and start cacti as far as i can see | 19:21 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: basically get the two needed changes in then when you have some time go for it | 19:21 |
| rcarrillocruz | sweet | 19:21 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i can do that tonight then, since tomorrow is bank holiday in Spain | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | yeah, tomorrow is a holiday for me too | 19:22 |
| clarkb | I think there was some gotcha related to removing the cinder volume from the old host | 19:22 |
| rcarrillocruz | i'll ping folks for final reviews after i push a patchset for the iptables change | 19:22 |
| clarkb | where if you don't do some step it takes horus to timeout? | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | permissions is the big one, right? | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | oh, that | 19:22 |
| nibalizer | (thanks everyone who has pmmed me the answer to my weechat issue btw) | 19:23 |
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| pleia2 | rcarrillocruz: we don't want it to be broken on the holiday, so want to do it tonight, or Thursday? | 19:24 |
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| pleia2 | is getting late | 19:24 |
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| rcarrillocruz | yeah, thursday works too | 19:25 |
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| pleia2 | maybe just write up a quick plan tonight in case we remember cinder weirdness issues | 19:25 |
| clarkb | I will be around thursday (all week too) | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | me too | 19:25 |
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| rcarrillocruz | ++ thx | 19:25 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, Gerrit is unclear in the patch ordering. THe first of your patches is "Make sure all v3 tokens are validated the same" right? | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | thanks rcarrillocruz | 19:25 |
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| ayoung | and the last is "One validate method to rule them all..." | 19:25 |
| anteaya | ayoung: you are in the infra meeting | 19:25 |
| ayoung | sorry | 19:25 |
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| pleia2 | ok, sounds like we have a plan for Cacti | 19:26 |
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| pleia2 | #topic Open discussion | 19:26 |
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| pleia2 | look at all this time for open discussion :) | 19:26 |
| rcarrillocruz | heh | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | we are running with tls-proxy enabled on a few tempest jobs now. We still need to sort out why apache restarts and reloads break on centos but not fedora or ubuntu. Also there is an issue with nova api talking to neutron for port listings being tracked by e-r | 19:27 |
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| clarkb | (more of a general FYI than anyone needing to take action) | 19:27 |
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| zaro | i don't remember now, but did we agree on waiting until after openstack release or after summit to try gerrit version with fixed jgit? | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | zaro: after summit because we weren't erally comfortable cramming it in before summit especialyl with all the travel/vacation people seem to be doing beforehand | 19:28 |
| zaro | ok. | 19:29 |
| rcarrillocruz | how people feels about looking at redeploying chocolate infracloud on newton? | 19:29 |
| rcarrillocruz | pre-summit | 19:29 |
| rcarrillocruz | or a nice item to hack on *during* summit | 19:29 |
| rcarrillocruz | ? | 19:29 |
| crinkle | i could try to help with that during the summit | 19:30 |
| clarkb | I dno't have a ton of time between nwo and summit | 19:30 |
| rcarrillocruz | k, i'll just look at other stuff then | 19:30 |
| clarkb | but would likely help with that during summit sprint day | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | same, time until summit is busy for me | 19:31 |
| clarkb | rcarrillocruz: that mgiht be a good excuse to do that "how to deploy" infracloud thing that we have talked about? | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | but at summit is good | 19:31 |
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| rcarrillocruz | yeah | 19:31 |
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| pleia2 | any other things? | 19:33 |
| clarkb | yes, something that just popped up in -infra | 19:33 |
| clarkb | neutron + multinode testing is still broken | 19:33 |
| clarkb | and I think it would be good to fix that before adding new multinode jobs | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 19:33 |
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| ttx | while in open discussion, I have a review to promote | 19:38 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382447/ | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | hah, ok :) | 19:38 |
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| pleia2 | ah, a spec | 19:39 |
| ttx | It's something I planned to work on but wanted some quick confirmation that I crossed all ts | 19:39 |
| ttx | basically pushing TC documents under /tc and setting up redirects, so that all three sites (tc, uc, election) are served from a neutral / index page | 19:40 |
| ttx | (without breaking existing links) | 19:40 |
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| ttx | so if you have a few spare cycles, please consider reviewing | 19:40 |
| ttx | </shamelessplug> | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | probably would have made sense to talk about the structure of things more formally earlier, but fixing it now is good | 19:41 |
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| pleia2 | ok, I think we'll wrap up early if no one has anything else | 19:42 |
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| rcarrillocruz | i'm good | 19:43 |
| clarkb | nothing more from me | 19:43 |
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| pleia2 | alright, thanks everyone | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | #endmeeting | 19:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 19:43:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:43 |
| * bkero waves | 19:43 | |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-10-11-19.02.html | 19:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-10-11-19.02.txt | 19:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-10-11-19.02.log.html | 19:43 |
| bkero | short meeting today | 19:43 |
| * pleia2 looks at that topic | 19:43 | |
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| Zara | heh | 19:45 |
| anteaya | thanks pleia2 | 19:45 |
| anteaya | nice meeting | 19:45 |
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| pleia2 | much better | 19:45 |
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| anteaya | yes | 19:47 |
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| sdague | o/ | 19:59 |
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| EmilienM | o/ | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 19:59 |
| piet_ | o/ | 20:00 |
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| ttx | dhellmann, dims, flaper87, johnthetubaguy, mordred, mtreinish, stevemar, thingee: around ? | 20:00 |
| ttx | fungi is on a cruise ship without the Internet | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:00 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 20:00 |
| dims | o/ | 20:00 |
| dims | lucky fungi :) | 20:00 |
| ttx | small reminder, we can only meet if 7 people are around | 20:00 |
| ttx | I think we are good | 20:00 |
| Rockyg | /m multi-lurking | 20:01 |
| dhellmann | I count 8 | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 11 20:01:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| stevemar | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | First of all, congratulations to the recently-elected (and reelected) members! | 20:01 |
| sigmavirus | o/ | 20:01 |
| * edleafe cranes his neck to see the new people | 20:01 | |
| Rockyg | /me multi-lurking an not typing well | 20:01 |
| bswartz | welcome new TC! | 20:01 |
| ttx | For the first meeting of the Ocata TC membership, I focused on urgent stuff | 20:01 |
| Rockyg | Huzzah! | 20:01 |
| ttx | And deferred to next week more long-term stuff, to give time for new members to consider those | 20:01 |
| stevemar | when do i learn the secret handshake? | 20:01 |
| * bauzas waves late | 20:01 | |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| ttx | stevemar: in person only | 20:02 |
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| stevemar | :) | 20:02 |
| ttx | (remember to use #info #idea and #link liberally to make for a more readable summary) | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Welcome Ocata membership ! | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Welcome Ocata membership ! (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:02 | |
| ttx | First a bit of housekeeping | 20:02 |
| ttx | * Gerrit rights | 20:02 |
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| ttx | I set up your Gerrit rights, so you should all be able to RollCall-Vote +1/-1, let me know if you can't | 20:02 |
| ttx | * -tc ML access | 20:02 |
| ttx | We use the openstack-tc mailing-list for administrative communication between TC members. | 20:03 |
| ttx | Like meeting reminders | 20:03 |
| ttx | The list is moderated for non-members | 20:03 |
| ttx | I removed the moderation bit for all the people who were already subscribed | 20:03 |
| ttx | Couldn't find Emilien nor Jeremy though, so please subscribe and let me know when you have | 20:03 |
| EmilienM | I did subscribe this morning | 20:03 |
| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-tc | 20:03 |
| ttx | ah! let me fix that for you then | 20:03 |
| ttx | alright, mod bit cleared | 20:04 |
| ttx | #action fungi to subscribe to openstack-tc and let ttx know so that he can clear the moderation bit | 20:04 |
| thingee | o/ | 20:04 |
| ttx | * Update member roster (https://review.openstack.org/384543) | 20:04 |
| ttx | This one updates the member list, I think it's good to go | 20:04 |
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| dims | yep, +1 | 20:05 |
| * johnthetubaguy is listening but having connection troubles | 20:05 | |
| ttx | (it removes the {chair} thing so that we actually record the selection of the chair as a specific change | 20:05 |
| ttx | will approve now unless someone objects | 20:05 |
| ttx | done | 20:06 |
| ttx | so it's official now, welcome :) | 20:06 |
| ttx | * Select chair | 20:06 |
| ttx | We need to select the chair, I'm happy to continue in that role | 20:06 |
| ttx | Especially since Doug continues to take most of the release management weight off my shoulders in Ocata | 20:06 |
| EmilienM | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384546/ | 20:06 |
| ttx | If someone else wants it, please propose something similar to my candidacy: | 20:06 |
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| ttx | ^ | 20:06 |
| stevemar | ttx: gordc had a comment on that one, can you shed light on your reply? :) | 20:07 |
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| ttx | stevemar: I trained dhellmann and flaper87 in the various tools and techniques I follow. I can train anyone else interested | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : the first rule is you don't ask ttx about his cloning experiments in public | 20:07 |
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| stevemar | dhellmann: my bad, i'm still new to this | 20:08 |
| stevemar | ttx: sounds good | 20:08 |
| rattboi | 35 | 20:08 |
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| bauzas | rattboi: 42 | 20:08 |
| edleafe | stevemar: geez, even I knew that | 20:09 |
| ttx | ok, looks like I'm still the only candidate | 20:09 |
| dims | ttx : happy to have you continue. +1 | 20:09 |
| ttx | so I'll approve the change now unless someone asks me to pause | 20:09 |
| thingee | +1 | 20:09 |
| EmilienM | same here | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | +1 | 20:09 |
| ttx | ok done | 20:09 |
| ttx | * Confirmation of change approval rules & agenda buildup process | 20:09 |
| ttx | Small reminder of how we currently operate... | 20:10 |
| ttx | (we can change it of course but here is the status quo) | 20:10 |
| ttx | Changes or resolutions must be proposed before Thursday 20:00 UTC for discussion at the next meeting | 20:10 |
| ttx | Sometimes we defer stuff if there is too much for one meeting | 20:10 |
| ttx | We also need to discuss/mention them at at least one TC meeting before approving them in a formal vote on the review | 20:10 |
| ttx | Ultimately things are approved if there are more approvals than rejections, and at least 5 approvers | 20:11 |
| ttx | Though in most cases we just merge them when the majority (7 votes) is reached | 20:11 |
| ttx | There are a number of standing exceptions to that rule (to remove most of the useless discussions), all documented in | 20:11 |
| ttx | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/house-rules.html | 20:11 |
| ttx | For example, a team adding a new repository, change will be approved after one week if there is no objection. | 20:11 |
| ttx | (it's part of the funny role of the chair to keep that relatively fluid) | 20:12 |
| ttx | (If there is an objection then it will be discussed at the following meeting) | 20:12 |
| ttx | To facilitate finding the things we actually have to vote formally on, I mark them with topic: formal-vote | 20:12 |
| ttx | Questions ? | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | it might be a good idea to write down the baseline rules on that house-rules page, too | 20:12 |
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| dhellmann | I can take that if you'd like | 20:13 |
| EmilienM | it sounds clear, and mostly documented in governance.o.o | 20:13 |
| ttx | dhellmann: it's kind of what's written in the charter | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok | 20:13 |
| ttx | I didn't want to duplicate | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/charter.html#motions | 20:13 |
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| ttx | Note that releasemanagement team is talking about moving most of the release details stuff out of the TC governed file, since that's mostly noise governance-wise | 20:13 |
| stevemar | EmilienM: ++, i re-read them recently, if i have questions i'll ask | 20:14 |
| ttx | but it might not be as easy as we think :) | 20:14 |
| ttx | * Barcelona reminders | 20:14 |
| ttx | A few reminders for those who will be in Barcelona | 20:14 |
| ttx | There will be a joint Board/TC/UC meeting, Monday at 2:30pm | 20:14 |
| ttx | (we'll discuss the agenda in next topic) | 20:15 |
| ttx | This will be followed by the "Marketplace Mixer Booth Crawl Happy Hour" (whatever that is) between 5:00 and 7:00pm | 20:15 |
| ttx | probably involves alcohol | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | do we have the location for the meeting, yet? | 20:15 |
| ttx | let me see | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | it was probably in the announcement email for the board meeting | 20:15 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: not according to the schedule, nio | 20:15 |
| ttx | was "CCIB Level 2 (Plata 1 in Spanish)" in an email I received in July | 20:16 |
| ttx | checking the Board wiki page | 20:16 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/24Oct2016BoardMeeting | 20:16 |
| dims | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/24Oct2016BoardMeeting | 20:16 |
| ttx | not any more precise | 20:16 |
| ttx | "CCIB Level 2 (Plata 1 in Spanish)" | 20:17 |
| dims | just a shade slower than dhellmann :) | 20:17 |
| ttx | Then dinner with the BoD, UC and Foundation Staff at 7:30pm, you should all have rezceived an RSVP for that | 20:17 |
| ttx | mordred: around? | 20:17 |
| ttx | mordred wanted to set up some ex-and-current-TC dinner | 20:17 |
| ttx | no news about that though | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | please not on Monday, I'm already triple-booked | 20:18 |
| ttx | there is no official party day so avoiding Monday should be easy | 20:18 |
| ttx | Questions on that before we move on ? | 20:18 |
| piet_ | ttx any way I can get an invitation to the dinner with the BoD, UC and Foundation Staff at 7:30pm? | 20:18 |
| ttx | piet_: it's probably a closed set, I can ask around though | 20:19 |
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| ttx | #topic Discuss BoD/TC meeting agenda | 20:19 |
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| ttx | So... any topic you want to see discussed at the BoD+TC+UC meeting in Barcelona ? | 20:19 |
| ttx | I'd like to get back to Alan Clark with this ASAP, since we haven't synced yet | 20:20 |
| ttx | and time is running out | 20:20 |
| ttx | Looks like the UC already has an item on the agenda, discussing the charter | 20:20 |
| ttx | Let's take notes on: | 20:20 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bcn-bod+tc+uc-topics | 20:20 |
| ttx | I already added a couple there, based on past discussions with Alan and a number of TC members | 20:20 |
| ttx | - A lot of Board members are confused with our criteria for project acceptance, so I think we could spend some time discussing that | 20:20 |
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| ttx | - I also would like to discuss the recent drops in upstream developer investment, with layoffs at multiple member companies | 20:21 |
| ttx | and the risk that poses to OpenStack as a whole | 20:21 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 20:21 |
| piet_ | UX project would like to do a quick overview of the six studies that were conducted on behalf of the community over the last six months. This is a general overview of issues that were identified. | 20:21 |
| mtreinish | ttx: is worth having a topic on the dco again? I can't remember why we haven't dropped the cla yet | 20:21 |
| dims | ttx : ++ | 20:21 |
| mtreinish | ttx: yeah those are both good topics | 20:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 on the upstream developer investment | 20:21 |
| ttx | mtreinish: we can get a status update on DCO yes | 20:21 |
| stevemar | yeah, nice to see that addressed and not ignored | 20:21 |
| * smcginnis is concerned about that as well | 20:21 | |
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| ttx | Last time I asked it was blocked on infrastructure more than on the Board though | 20:22 |
| anteaya | yes | 20:22 |
| mtreinish | ttx: tbh, I never understood the details on that. What would be blocking that in infra | 20:23 |
| anteaya | whatever openid provider we have | 20:23 |
| anteaya | openstackid/ipsilon | 20:23 |
| mtreinish | how is that coupled? | 20:23 |
| anteaya | clarkb: do you have more on this? | 20:23 |
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| clarkb | mtreinish: aiui the boards dco decision us contingent on us using openstack member accounts for auth | 20:23 |
| mtreinish | I mean I understand the desire to get off of launchpad's sso, but what does that have to do with with dropping the cla | 20:23 |
| clarkb | so that they can map users to corp cla signers easily | 20:23 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: ah, ok | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | piet_ : I'm not sure I understand how your proposed presentation fits in with the intent of the joint meeting. Can you explain that a bit? | 20:24 |
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| dhellmann | piet_ : that's not usually the sort of thing we do at these meetings, since we don't have a lot of opportunities for the board, tc, and uc to all be together and discuss issues | 20:24 |
| ttx | mtreinish: with that in mind, is it still useful to get an update there ? | 20:24 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: I'm not sure I really buy that it'll make it easier. But, I'll just file it under board decision in my head | 20:25 |
| ttx | dhellmann: also I expect we'll spend a lot of time on the UC charter part | 20:25 |
| mtreinish | ttx: probably not, although I think bringing it up just to make sure people don't forget about it is useful | 20:25 |
| sdague | ttx: whether or not it's a bod topic, it seems like a thing we should figure out how to have some regular checkpoint | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yes, that seems likely | 20:25 |
| sdague | it only seems to get looked at when there is a joint tc/bod session | 20:25 |
| sdague | probably should have eyes on it more often than that | 20:25 |
| ttx | mtreinish, sdague: ok | 20:26 |
| ttx | if only to say "this time we are not really waiting on you" :) | 20:26 |
| piet_ | dhellmann Sure, but I could make the argument that most of the issues are related to usability. However, the board and TC are not always aware of these issues. Also, PWG has also been given slots at these meetings. | 20:26 |
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| dhellmann | piet_ : yes, I didn't consider that a good use of time but that was a thing the board asked to have on the agenda for that meeting. | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | I would much rather we spend time discussing issues that need to be resolved than seeing presentations. So is this related to a community or governance issue in some way? | 20:27 |
| piet_ | dhellmann Not quite understanding you | 20:28 |
| thingee | piet_: the pwg has a slot because the board would like to see a roadmap of what's being worked. | 20:28 |
| ttx | whoever proposed the goal overview: it wouldn't hurt to present that initiative yes | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | piet_ : are you going to do an information dump, or are you asking for us to decide something for you? | 20:28 |
| dtroyer | the point about PWG is that it's the board scheduling the time, not us | 20:28 |
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| dims | if anyone wants to see what items we had in Austin it's here (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/6PuSKyUOHk) | 20:30 |
| * dhellmann thinks people are typing in the etherpad instead of here in conversation | 20:30 | |
| dhellmann | piet_ : does line 20 apply to the goals thing or to the user research thing? (I think that's your pink on the etherpad) | 20:30 |
| ttx | anyway, we won't get to the bottom of the agenda within the hour. | 20:31 |
| ttx | let's continue the brainstorm on the etherpad, I'll communicate with Alan later this week and we can cobble together the agenda from that | 20:31 |
| ttx | please add your name next to the suggestion | 20:31 |
| ttx | so that we know who would drive it | 20:31 |
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| piet_ | Removed | 20:33 |
| ttx | Anything else on that ? or moving on to next topic ? | 20:33 |
| ttx | #action TC members to brainstorm and add suggestions on the joint agenda etherpad before end of week | 20:34 |
| ttx | #action ttx to reach out to Alan Clark to build the final agenda | 20:34 |
| ttx | #topic Discuss when next election period shall happen | 20:35 |
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| ttx | So.. this is one of the most urgent changes for us to discuss | 20:35 |
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| ttx | The PTL and TC election timeframes are defined in the TC charter, but the wording there assumes there is a thing called "the Design Summit" and that it happens at the same time as the thing called "the Summit". | 20:35 |
| ttx | So we need to change the charter to account for the PTG + Summit change | 20:35 |
| ttx | I raised a thread about that a month ago, but it started on a wrong assumption, and quickly rabbit-holed on a detail | 20:36 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103115.html | 20:36 |
| ttx | Roughly speaking we have 3 options | 20:36 |
| ttx | 1/ Vote a few weeks before PTG | 20:36 |
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| ttx | 2/ Vote a few weeks before Summit | 20:36 |
| ttx | 3/ Get more creative | 20:36 |
| ttx | My original plan was (2), to avoid switching PTLs in the middle of the PTG prep | 20:36 |
| ttx | (and to avoid reducing terms for the recently-elected folks) | 20:37 |
| sdague | my preference is #1, because that feels very close to what we currently do | 20:37 |
| ttx | but then elections always fall in the middle of something interesting | 20:37 |
| EmilienM | 1/ implies Ocata PTL won't be PTL during 6 months, right? | 20:37 |
| mtreinish | ttx: for 2 though, doesn't that mean the ocata ptl serves into pike | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | quite a lot of folks view the PTL as a release manager, too, so seem to want it to sync up with the release cycle | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : right | 20:37 |
| stevemar | EmilienM: yep | 20:37 |
| anteaya | sdague: for me too, I also favour option 1 | 20:37 |
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| EmilienM | dhellmann: I agree | 20:37 |
| ttx | 1 implies short PTLs and shorter terms for the Ocata membership of the TC | 20:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | #1 feels the closest to what we do today | 20:38 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: the ptl and tc elections don't need to be at the same time | 20:38 |
| ttx | (unless we decouple the PTL and TC elections) | 20:38 |
| EmilienM | imho, it would make sense to keep release schedule in account | 20:38 |
| dims | one time cost ttx? | 20:38 |
| sdague | ttx: it does, though I'm not sure that we really need to keep TC and PTL elections in sync | 20:38 |
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| dims | ++ sdague | 20:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: thats an interesting point... | 20:38 |
| ttx | sdague: yeah.. that is an option | 20:38 |
| stevemar | probably doesn't need to be sync'ed at this point | 20:38 |
| ttx | could avoid some election fatigue I guess | 20:38 |
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| dtroyer | It may make sense to do #1 for PTL and #2 for TC | 20:39 |
| sdague | it seems to me the TC is more like the BOD, especially as the election is already for more than 1 cycle | 20:39 |
| anteaya | or create some | 20:39 |
| * edleafe understands "election fatigue" | 20:39 | |
| ttx | Also lets us spend more time on the TC election to allow one week of campaigning for exmaple | 20:39 |
| sdague | I'd be fine with #1 for PTL, and #2 for TC | 20:39 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: yeah I kinda like that | 20:39 |
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| dims | +1 dtroyer | 20:39 |
| ttx | ok, I can try to come up with some strawman before the next | 20:39 |
| edleafe | dtroyer: that sounds like the best choice | 20:40 |
| ttx | meeting* | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | is it ok to change the length of the ptl term for ocata now that those folks have been elected? | 20:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | #1 for PTL, #2 for TC fits quite well | 20:40 |
| sdague | dhellmann: we're calling it ocata PTL right? | 20:40 |
| ttx | we won't see how bad it is until we draw it | 20:40 |
| dtroyer | ocata is an exception schedule-wise, I suspect making this change now isn't going to be much of a surprise | 20:40 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: does the charter explicitly say 6 months or is it by cycles? | 20:40 |
| sdague | I honestly think a lot of PTLs assumed it would be a shorter term | 20:40 |
| mtreinish | s/dtroyer/dhellmann | 20:40 |
| sdague | because we call it named after a cycle | 20:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know some folks were assuming they would PTL for last time | 20:40 |
| dtroyer | mtreinish: I don't know | 20:40 |
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| anteaya | mtreinish: the by laws specify time | 20:40 |
| edleafe | dhellmann: or extend it to a longer term | 20:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops | 20:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | less time | 20:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 sdague | 20:41 |
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| EmilienM | dhellmann: as a PTL, I don't feel hurt by this thing | 20:41 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: sry, tab complete fail :) | 20:41 |
| dtroyer | :) | 20:41 |
| stevemar | EmilienM: same :P | 20:41 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: http://www.openstack.org/legal/technical-committee-member-policy/ | 20:41 |
| mtreinish | anteaya: we're talking about ptls though | 20:41 |
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| anteaya | mtreinish: ah sorry, not that I've come across | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | #link http://governance.openstack.org/reference/charter.html#election-for-ptl-seats | 20:42 |
| EmilienM | sdague: indeed, we all knew Ocata was short. I don't think PTLs will be surprised | 20:42 |
| dims | mtreinish : good point | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | that says 6 months | 20:42 |
| ttx | mtreinish: we need to update teh charter anyway | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 20:42 |
| ttx | but better if we don't have to modify bylaws appendixes | 20:42 |
| ttx | so keeping (2) for teh TC would be a good bet | 20:42 |
| ttx | I'll re-read all of this and make sure we can come up with something that works | 20:43 |
| ttx | and have it up for you to consider before next meeting | 20:43 |
| mtreinish | ttx: ok, sure that's fine. But we probably should say it also applies to cycles in progress somewhere when we merge it then | 20:43 |
| sdague | ttx: ++ | 20:43 |
| mtreinish | assuming we change it to be per cycle | 20:43 |
| ttx | then if that's the thing we want to propose, communicate it to a wider set of PTLs and check that they don't mind having a short cycle :) | 20:43 |
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| dhellmann | #link http://www.openstack.org/legal/technical-committee-member-policy/ | 20:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sounds like a good plan | 20:43 |
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| dhellmann | so the bylaws also say 6 months for tc members | 20:43 |
| mtreinish | ttx: ++ | 20:44 |
| ttx | #action ttx to build a strawman with PTl elections aligned with PTG and TC elections aligned with summit, see how it flies | 20:44 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: that shouldn'y be a problem if we keep tc elections to #2 | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : right, but since it's in the bylaws if we do want to change it it's going to be harder | 20:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | I worry about elections for PTL being aligned with some super critical point in the release, so we need to double check all that for sure | 20:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bylaws mean all members have to vote? | 20:45 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: where do you read that? | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : yes | 20:45 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: 25% or something | 20:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | anteaya: just attempting to remember | 20:45 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: ah a change in the by laws | 20:45 |
| ttx | anteaya: he means bylwas changes mean foundation members vote | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | well, right, not "all members" but we can't change them on our own | 20:45 |
| anteaya | ttx: yes, thanks | 20:45 |
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| ttx | OK, sounds like we have a way forward | 20:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, sorry, thanks for translating me! | 20:46 |
| ttx | moving on to next topic ? | 20:46 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: I thought you were saying the by laws made voting mandatory | 20:46 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 20:46 |
| ttx | #topic Easy cleanups | 20:46 |
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| ttx | just a few things that we can probably quickly merge: | 20:46 |
| ttx | (scream if we shouldn't) | 20:47 |
| ttx | * wording tweaks on the tc-approved-release tag definition (https://review.openstack.org/382064) | 20:47 |
| ttx | need to refresh the +1s on this one | 20:47 |
| dtroyer | (it has been revved) | 20:47 |
| ttx | since I forced a last-minute refresh on it :) | 20:47 |
| ttx | alright, 7 | 20:47 |
| ttx | approving | 20:47 |
| ttx | * Simplify governance website title (https://review.openstack.org/382399) | 20:48 |
| ttx | could use one more | 20:48 |
| stevemar | needs one more | 20:48 |
| ttx | alright, approving | 20:48 |
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| ttx | * Record OpenStack-Salt as a Legacy project (https://review.openstack.org/382536) | 20:49 |
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| ttx | this one has all it needs | 20:49 |
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| ttx | * Record Fuel repos that were retired (https://review.openstack.org/382633) | 20:49 |
| ttx | so I don't disagree with this one (though it will conflict with the one just before)... but it's first time we actually record specific repositories being dropped vs. full teams | 20:50 |
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| ttx | since I'm not convinced of the utility of this file I'm fine with it | 20:50 |
| dims | ttx : y, i can rebase depending on which goes first | 20:50 |
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| ttx | whatever fungi says is helpful to generating voters lists | 20:50 |
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| dims | ttx : checked with fungi about the data in the diff, he was ok | 20:50 |
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| dhellmann | yes, we said this was a case we needed to account for in case someone only contributed to a dropped repo for voting rights | 20:51 |
| * EmilienM realizes we called a project "shotgun" :-O | 20:51 | |
| dims | EmilienM :) | 20:51 |
| ttx | ok, approving it now, and it will likely fail to merge | 20:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | at some point, I guess we empty the file, after the contributions are no longer within the voting window? | 20:51 |
| mtreinish | ttx: hmm, that does make it look a little confusing. It seems like we retired fuel | 20:51 |
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| ttx | mtreinish: yeah, that's why I was questioning it | 20:51 |
| mtreinish | although I don't have any suggestions on doing it better | 20:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | that partial bit is quite... subtle | 20:51 |
| dims | mtreinish : see "partial" key :) | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : either that or we make sure fungi's voter roll building script pays attention to the dates | 20:51 |
| anteaya | ttx: yes he also doesn't know the benefit of the file yet, he wants to work with integrating it with the tooling when he gets a chance | 20:51 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : right | 20:52 |
| mtreinish | dims: I missed that, and I'll continue to miss it :) | 20:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: I was just wondering how to stop the file from growing for ever | 20:52 |
| mtreinish | dims: as I expect most people will | 20:52 |
| ttx | ok, let's record the info there and continue to ignore the contents of that file | 20:52 |
| anteaya | he being fungi | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | I'm happy to take this as-is, and let fungi propose an alternate schema if it makes his tool work easier | 20:52 |
| dims | ++ dhellmann | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : yeah, we should probably schedule cleanup on a regular basis | 20:52 |
| ttx | I'm also fine with deleting that file if it proves more of a hassle than a useful thing | 20:52 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : like with extra-atcs | 20:52 |
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| ttx | but in the mean time, let's record data | 20:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: yeah, good point, very similar | 20:53 |
| ttx | dims: conflict generated | 20:53 |
| * ttx approves anyway | 20:53 | |
| dims | ack ttx will rebase after the meeting | 20:53 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:53 |
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| piet_ | dhellmann Sorry for the outburst on the etherpad - there is a bit of frustration happening on my part | 20:53 |
| ttx | I published the cross-project workshop schedule last week: | 20:53 |
| ttx | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Cross%20Project%20workshops | 20:53 |
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| ttx | stevemar: you wanted to suggest an adjustment ? | 20:53 |
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| dhellmann | piet_ : I'm just trying to understand what you're looking for to help you find the right venue. | 20:54 |
| stevemar | ttx: yep, i am listed as a chair for scaling-review-teams-and-subsystem-maintainers-part-1 but have a conflict | 20:54 |
| ttx | I think it's doable to swap the two sessions at 5:05pm with the sessions at 3:55pm... Any objection ? | 20:55 |
| stevemar | ttx: if we could swap the 5:05 session with 3:55 that would be wonderful | 20:55 |
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| ttx | we'll keep the pairs together since we know they don't generate (too much) conflict | 20:55 |
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| ttx | just swap the timeslots | 20:55 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I would like to keep the goals sessions where they are | 20:55 |
| ttx | ah. hm | 20:55 |
| * ttx checks | 20:55 | |
| dhellmann | ttx: but you can swap the others | 20:55 |
| ttx | ISTR that generated a conflict | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | it seems better to have the general discussion of goals before the specifics, but maybe that's not so important | 20:56 |
| * ttx digs in his memory | 20:56 | |
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| piet_ | dhellmann I don't always get the impression that the TC or board really deeply understands some of the issues that are being confronted by operators and/or app developers. It's having a significant impact on adoption. | 20:56 |
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| stevemar | ttx: you could also -1 my request, the scaling review team is a two-parter | 20:57 |
| EmilienM | piet_: are these issues documented? | 20:57 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: so you'd rather not swap "goals" and "decomposition" ? | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | piet_ : you're probably right. I'm not sure the format of this meeting is necessarily the best way to solve that. | 20:57 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: sorry, I was looking at 5:55 not 5:05 | 20:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | piet_: I would love to read more about what is known around those | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | ttx: if you want to swap 3:55 and 5:05 that would be ok | 20:58 |
| dims | piet_ : we could do a hangout or equivalent even before barcelona once there's some material for us to chew on | 20:58 |
| stevemar | ttx: swap proprietary drivers and scaling review teams? | 20:58 |
| ttx | to be clear, I propose to swap "goals" with "decomposition" and ""capabilities" with "cross-service comms" | 20:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | piet_: happy to work with you to get those issues from unknown to known, and see how to make that happen | 20:58 |
| sdague | piet_: or get an ML thread started with that feedback | 20:58 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I have no issue with that. | 20:58 |
| piet_ | EmilienM We are starting to document our findings. However, the TC and Board really need to help drive | 20:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, ML thread would be a great start | 20:58 |
| ttx | the things happening at 3:55pm with the things happening at 5:05pm | 20:59 |
| piet_ | Feeling better | 20:59 |
| ttx | #action ttx to swap the two CPW sessions at 5:05pm with the sessions at 3:55pm | 20:59 |
| anteaya | piet_: yes, I also think a mailing list thread would help set some context | 20:59 |
| sdague | I know that bringing specific feedback from the ops meetup back to the Nova team via the ML got a whole lot of things worked on | 20:59 |
| dims | ++ to ML thread sdague piet_ | 20:59 |
| EmilienM | piet_: I would be happy to help too | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | piet_ : yeah, sorry, I didn't mean to give the impression that I didn't think it was important, just that the meeting may not be the right venue | 20:59 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: ++ | 21:00 |
| anteaya | piet_: meetings are best for decisions, if folks have no context it can be a waste of time to introduce material at a meeting | 21:00 |
| ttx | ok, time is up | 21:00 |
| piet_ | Just as a distraction, what is the biggest challenge for operators in terms of documentation? | 21:00 |
| dhellmann | piet_ : that feedback might also go into setting some goals, once we have specific ideas for addressing the issues | 21:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | piet_: OSIC wants to remove blockers, if I can get more data on that, we might be able to help | 21:00 |
| EmilienM | we make OpenStack for our users - http://governance.openstack.org/reference/principles.html#openstack-is-built-for-our-users - so let's gatter your feedback | 21:00 |
| anteaya | thanks ttx | 21:01 |
| ttx | Time to close it, thanks everyone | 21:01 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 21:01 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:01 |
| dims | thanks ttx | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 11 21:01:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:01 |
| thingee | ciao | 21:01 |
| EmilienM | ttx: thx for chairing | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-10-11-20.01.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-10-11-20.01.txt | 21:01 |
| stevemar | piet_: probably not enough of it, and not easy enough to find | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-10-11-20.01.log.html | 21:01 |
| piet_ | Ciao | 21:01 |
| stevemar | later folks! | 21:01 |
| EmilienM | piet_: can we continue on #openstack-dev ? | 21:01 |
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| dims | +1 EmilienM | 21:01 |
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