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| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 09:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 10 09:06:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 09:06 |
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| aspiers | hi | 09:06 |
| ddeja | o/ | 09:06 |
| aspiers | looks like it's just the two of us today, so we can keep it short | 09:07 |
| aspiers | #topic specs | 09:07 |
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| aspiers | I've started work on the host monitoring one | 09:07 |
| aspiers | and I should be able to submit it for review pretty soon, hopefully today | 09:07 |
| ddeja | I've starting the VM recovery, but I'm doing two specs in pararell (another one is for mistral project) | 09:08 |
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| aspiers | cool | 09:08 |
| aspiers | you mean host recovery, right? | 09:08 |
| ddeja | but I have to finish both this week, so I'll do it | 09:09 |
| aspiers | lines 125+ of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-instance-ha | 09:09 |
| ddeja | yup, host recovery | 09:10 |
| ddeja | sorry, still didn't wake up ;) | 09:10 |
| aspiers | np ;-) | 09:11 |
| aspiers | after VM recovery I will do the libvirtd / nova-compute specs | 09:12 |
| ddeja | OK | 09:12 |
| aspiers | hopefully samP is working on the VM recovery spec | 09:12 |
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| aspiers | any other topics? | 09:13 |
| ddeja | I have one info | 09:13 |
| ddeja | I'm not going to Barcelona | 09:13 |
| aspiers | :-( :'( | 09:13 |
| aspiers | hopefully we can figure out a way for you to attend virtually | 09:14 |
| ddeja | I'll finish specs so you guys would have something to discuss about. And maybe someone from my team would be able to join, but I'm not sure | 09:14 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:14 |
| aspiers | #topic Barcelona | 09:15 |
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| aspiers | #info ddeja won't be going | 09:15 |
| aspiers | maybe we could set up some VoIP if there are meetings where we really need your input | 09:15 |
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| ddeja | sure - it is the same TZ, so I'll be in office | 09:16 |
| aspiers | yup | 09:16 |
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| aspiers | OK, nothing else to discuss I guess? | 09:18 |
| ddeja | nothing from my side | 09:19 |
| aspiers | OK then | 09:19 |
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| aspiers | I will include you as a reviewer for the specs, of course | 09:19 |
| aspiers | so see you on gerrit soon :) | 09:19 |
| ddeja | yup | 09:19 |
| ddeja | I'll do same for my spec | 09:19 |
| aspiers | thanks | 09:20 |
| aspiers | later! | 09:20 |
| ddeja | thank you | 09:20 |
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| aspiers | #endmeeting | 09:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:21 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 10 09:21:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-10-10-09.06.html | 09:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-10-10-09.06.txt | 09:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-10-10-09.06.log.html | 09:21 |
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| andreykurilin | #startmeeting Rally | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 10 14:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:00 |
| andreykurilin | hi all | 14:00 |
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| rvasilets | hi | 14:01 |
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| morourke | o/ | 14:01 |
| ylobankov | hi | 14:01 |
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| andreykurilin | #topic * [amaretskiy] Let's discuss term "scenario" - should this term be replaced completely by "workload" or maybe we can give it specific meaning? | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "* [amaretskiy] Let's discuss term "scenario" - should this term be replaced completely by "workload" or maybe we can give it specific meaning? (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:02 | |
| andreykurilin | #link https://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/glossary.html#scenario | 14:02 |
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| amaretskiy | we have new terminology update recently | 14:03 |
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| amaretskiy | according to this update, term scenario is replaced with "workload" | 14:03 |
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| amaretskiy | so something is still unclear - why get rid of word "scenario" completely & | 14:03 |
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| amaretskiy | ? | 14:04 |
| amaretskiy | this word sounds great and is used intuitively | 14:04 |
| andreykurilin | I like term scenario:) | 14:04 |
| rvasilets | I call scenario - python code that is in run() | 14:04 |
| amaretskiy | i like too | 14:04 |
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| amaretskiy | so maybe find a place for this term, as well as for workload? | 14:04 |
| amaretskiy | ideas? | 14:04 |
| andreykurilin | let's say "scenario" is a one iteration or python-code of workload | 14:05 |
| amaretskiy | run() body == "scenario" | 14:05 |
| amaretskiy | this is not clear | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | we should not align our terms to names of methods in code | 14:05 |
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| amaretskiy | how about class rally.task.scenario.Scenario - do we plan rename it to class Workload? | 14:06 |
| amaretskiy | rally.task.workload.Workload | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | hm | 14:07 |
| amaretskiy | :) | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | for me, workload is a bunch of iterations | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | so we should keep `rally.task.scenario.Scenario` | 14:07 |
| amaretskiy | i like this idea | 14:07 |
| amaretskiy | keeping Scenario class | 14:08 |
| rvasilets | Workload is https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/task/engine.py#L583 | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin | scenario is an entity which is launched in iterations of workload | 14:08 |
| amaretskiy | let's make a definition of workload for glossary | 14:09 |
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| andreykurilin | we need guru of glossary :) | 14:10 |
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| amaretskiy | okay, I will make a patch with proposed definition | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | thanks:) | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | let's move to the next topic | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | #topic [ylobankov] New Rally verify HTML report | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[ylobankov] New Rally verify HTML report (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:12 | |
| andreykurilin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343504/ | 14:12 |
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| andreykurilin | #link http://logs.openstack.org/04/343504/39/check/gate-rally-dsvm-verify-full-discover-resources/d42a37f/rally-verify/11_verify_results.html.gz | 14:13 |
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| ylobankov | guys, we have some features from the old report and these features disapeared in the new report. | 14:13 |
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| andreykurilin | sometimes it happens | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:13 |
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| amaretskiy | ylobankov: sure. I've told about this to andreykurilin. I'm working on that | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | ok, we have a good candidate for new verification report | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | lets discuss all features which should be added there | 14:14 |
| ylobankov | for example, when tempest test was skipped, we may have a messahe with the link to the bug. The new report doesn't have it. Ok. | 14:15 |
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| amaretskiy | tests numeration re-calculation after some filters are disabled | 14:15 |
| ylobankov | yep | 14:15 |
| amaretskiy | ylobankov: i will fix that | 14:15 |
| amaretskiy | ^ about links | 14:15 |
| ylobankov | amaretskiy: ok:) | 14:15 |
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| amaretskiy | but numeration re-calculation is a topic to discuss | 14:16 |
| ylobankov | What about report title? | 14:16 |
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| amaretskiy | title is for discussion too | 14:16 |
| ylobankov | as far as I remember title of new report is Rally Verification results | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | lets start from "but numeration re-calculation is a topic to discuss" | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | can someone add more details about this topic& | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | ? | 14:17 |
| ylobankov | all we need here is to re-numerate tests depending on filters | 14:17 |
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| andreykurilin | should we? | 14:17 |
| ylobankov | yes, because it is very convenient | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | currently, you can say "look at test #666" and this number will be constant without dependencies on filters | 14:18 |
| ylobankov | any objections on it? | 14:18 |
| ylobankov | tests have IDs. Why we need to add new IDs | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | and if we add re-numerations, you will need to say "look at test #666 in "success" status". more words. lol | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin | "tests have IDs. Why we need to add new IDs" it is a good question | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin | but, after verification component refactor, we will support not only Tempest and another verifier can miss test-uuid support | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | we can not display single ID if we have more than one verification | 14:21 |
| andreykurilin | btw I do not know why tempest has test-uuids. tests names are unique... | 14:21 |
| ylobankov | The thing is that the number of tests may be changed | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | btw I do not know why tempest has test-uuids. tests names are unique... | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | sorry | 14:22 |
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| ylobankov | because tests can be renamed and it is needed to track the test | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets amaretskiy thoughts? | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | no ideas | 14:23 |
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| ylobankov | I consider that the numeration is just for convenience | 14:23 |
| amaretskiy | uuid does not serve numeration | 14:24 |
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| andreykurilin | I have no enough argument for and against re-numeration | 14:24 |
| rvasilets | numeration is great for user comfortable. I think users are affraid of big uuid like strings) | 14:24 |
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| ylobankov | I think that users use test names rather than IDs | 14:25 |
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| ylobankov | ok, we can add a button 'renumerate' | 14:26 |
| amaretskiy | i think this would be rather confusing | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | I'm against additional button:) it is better to add auto-recalculation | 14:26 |
| amaretskiy | maybe checkbox | 14:27 |
| amaretskiy | #agree no extra buttons | 14:27 |
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| andreykurilin | lets do not do our reports too complex | 14:27 |
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| ylobankov | ok, I suppose to make re-numeration and if users are happy, fix it | 14:28 |
| ylobankov | not happy* | 14:28 |
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| andreykurilin | +1 | 14:28 |
| rvasilets | + | 14:28 |
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| amaretskiy | so, re-numerate tests? | 14:29 |
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| ylobankov | it looks like we have an agreement here :) | 14:29 |
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| amaretskiy | got it, I will add auto-renumeration | 14:29 |
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| andreykurilin | "What about report title?" | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | ylobankov ? | 14:30 |
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| ylobankov | we have the following report title 'Rally Verification report' | 14:31 |
| ylobankov | what about 'Rally Verification Report'? | 14:31 |
| ylobankov | each word starts with capital letter | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy ideas? | 14:32 |
| amaretskiy | style should be synchronized with task report and trends report | 14:32 |
| amaretskiy | I personally like "Rally verifications results" | 14:33 |
| amaretskiy | :) | 14:33 |
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| rvasilets | + | 14:33 |
| rvasilets | ащк еру дфые щту | 14:33 |
| rvasilets | for the last one | 14:34 |
| ylobankov | I like the concistency :) | 14:34 |
| ylobankov | I don't mind | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin | ok | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin | any other open questions about new report? | 14:34 |
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| ylobankov | no from me. I like actually the new report :) | 14:35 |
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| andreykurilin | #topic [rvasiltes] Add sla section to the samples | 14:36 |
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| rvasilets | I have a lot of comments on review like ' | 14:37 |
| rvasilets | please add sla section | 14:37 |
| rvasilets | I'm tired to write them | 14:37 |
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| rvasilets | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348395/ | 14:37 |
| rvasilets | Are we going to fix this? | 14:37 |
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| Rockyg | I just pinged infra | 19:04 |
| emagana | #endmeeting | 19:04 |
| emagana | taht should work but maybe only for the chair of the previous meeting | 19:05 |
| Patifa | yep | 19:05 |
| clarkb | there was no bot/meeting previously so you should be able to start the meeting now | 19:05 |
| clarkb | basically if bot isn't here then nothing can happen (but bot just rejoined) | 19:05 |
| Patifa | but usually you get error messages if you try to do something that you're not allowed | 19:05 |
| shamail | hmm | 19:05 |
| shamail | Who are the chairs? | 19:05 |
| shamail | (for Rally meeting) | 19:06 |
| clarkb | it doesn't matter the rally meeting isn't ongoing anymore | 19:06 |
| Rockyg | emagana, try start again | 19:06 |
| clarkb | just start your meeting now that the bot has rejoined freenode | 19:06 |
| emagana | #startmeeting uc | 19:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 10 19:06:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is emagana. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 19:06 |
| maishsk | yey!! | 19:06 |
| emagana | ok.. we are good now! | 19:06 |
| Rockyg | o/ | 19:06 |
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| emagana | #topic Provide a status update of UC charter and next steps | 19:06 |
| maishsk | Good evening all | 19:06 |
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| shamail | Hello! | 19:07 |
| emagana | Hello All! | 19:07 |
| Patifa | hi! | 19:07 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 19:07 |
| emagana | Thanks you all for joining. | 19:07 |
| * ildikov is lurking | 19:07 | |
| emagana | On the first topic. We have done a great progress on the UC charter and I do believe we are ready for Barcelona where we will propose bylaws changes in order to make the UC very similar to TC | 19:07 |
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| emagana | So, we have added the governance charter in the openstack site. | 19:08 |
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| emagana | #link http://governance.openstack.org/uc/ | 19:08 |
| emagana | #link http://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/charter.html | 19:08 |
| shamail | emagana: awesome | 19:08 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 19:08 |
| emagana | We have a patch ready to change the content of #http://governance.openstack.org/ to be more TC/UC/BoD neutral | 19:09 |
| emagana | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/382447/ | 19:09 |
| emagana | This is the Doc for the Bylaws change proposal: | 19:09 |
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| emagana | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QmLOeseAkjBWM_TXsUeKBErNaSHnuZp81II0T71ARfo/edit?usp=sharing | 19:10 |
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| emagana | In summary defines the process to vote for UC members and have 5 members in total instead of three | 19:10 |
| emagana | AUC members will be voting for UC | 19:11 |
| emagana | Please, add you comments. It is very important to complete the document before Oct 24 | 19:11 |
| Rockyg | cool | 19:11 |
| emagana | @shamail I need your help in completing the section about AUC membership | 19:11 |
| * shamail makes a note for maishsk, MeganR, and I to review the AUC membership section before deadline | 19:12 | |
| shamail | will do! | 19:12 |
| emagana | Once you are good with the document the BoD will approve and I am proposing to make the election on January 2017. Then we can renew the UC every year. | 19:13 |
| emagana | Does anyone has any question on this topic? | 19:13 |
| maishsk | emagana: should we propose somments directly on the doc - I found an error (I think) | 19:13 |
| emagana | yes maishsk please add comments on the part that needs to be fixed or improved | 19:14 |
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| shamail | emagana: Is the bylaw change on the upcoming BoD agenda already? If so, could you share the time. | 19:14 |
| serverascode | hi sorry I'm late | 19:14 |
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| emagana | serverascode: no problem.. Thanks for joining us. | 19:15 |
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| emagana | shamail: Yes, it is. Well, I already requested the time to Alan (BoD Chair) | 19:15 |
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| emagana | I will send out an email update with the time that got scheduled | 19:15 |
| shamail | thanks! | 19:16 |
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| emagana | feel free to ping me directly for any comments/suggestions/concerns on the changes. | 19:16 |
| shamail | sounds good | 19:16 |
| emagana | I really feel good about it and it seems that BoD feels happy about it as well. | 19:16 |
| emagana | #topic AUC update | 19:16 |
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| emagana | shamail: you are next | 19:16 |
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| shamail | Thanks, maishsk and I want to provide an update to the UC on the AUC Recognition WG activities | 19:17 |
| shamail | I would also like to say that MeganR did a lot of work on this too (she couldn’t make this meeting) | 19:17 |
| shamail | #link https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_yCSDGnhIbzcXFENjBOeUtqRFk | 19:18 |
| emagana | awesome.. go for it | 19:18 |
| shamail | We have created a deck to capture our status | 19:18 |
| emagana | I like it! | 19:18 |
| shamail | Slide 3 defines what is AUC and how it aligns with UC (for those interested) | 19:18 |
| shamail | Thanks! | 19:18 |
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| shamail | In general, we tried to ensure that we recognize all of the contributions that make the UC successful at fulfilling its goal | 19:19 |
| shamail | this includes user groups, WGs, moderators, track chairs, knowledge sharing on Superuser, etc. | 19:19 |
| shamail | We do anticipate adding more eligible activities in the future (some require more work/thought) but we captured all low hanging fruit in this initial criteria | 19:20 |
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| shamail | In case anyone feels they should have been an AUC but did not meet the documented criteria, they can complete self-nomination for extra-AUC through the process provided (maishsk did excellent work on this process) | 19:20 |
| shamail | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Extra-AUC-review-board-criteria | 19:20 |
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| maishsk | shamail: you are too kind :) | 19:21 |
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| shamail | UC: Please review the “review committee” structure and let us know if this is feasible or whether rev1 should just be UC = review board | 19:21 |
| emagana | Thank you maishsk, shamail and MeganR for the great amount of work | 19:21 |
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| shamail | we wanted to ensure that all perspectives were covered when reviewing self-nominations (but understand that putting together the committee will be work itself as well) | 19:21 |
| shamail | Moving on to the AUC Count | 19:22 |
| shamail | The OpenStack Foundation (Tom and Web-Dev) have worked to automate the collection of AUC activities | 19:22 |
| shamail | there is now a back-end that can run the uc-recognition scripts and automatically tally AUC counts based on the established criteria | 19:22 |
| shamail | (note: we are still working through some of the criteria since the automated and manual versions show disparity for certain categories) | 19:23 |
| shamail | BUT | 19:23 |
| shamail | As of today, we are counting 314 AUCs in Barcelona! | 19:23 |
| emagana | why a BUT? | 19:23 |
| emagana | do you think we are missing a lot of people or that we have a lot? | 19:23 |
| shamail | BUT because there is still some discrepancy :) | 19:23 |
| shamail | not many | 19:23 |
| shamail | I would say we are off by 30-40 max | 19:24 |
| shamail | so 10% | 19:24 |
| shamail | might be even lower honestly | 19:24 |
| shamail | Finally, as next steps, we look forward to the bylaw changes (we will review the AUC section) and we also have two sessions scheduled in Barcelona | 19:24 |
| shamail | (linked on the last slide) | 19:25 |
| shamail | one is to raise awareness of AUC and what contributions count | 19:25 |
| emagana | Is anyway we can bulish the list of AUC members and send it out via ML. If someone feel like it should be part of it we shoudl review the criteria that we are missing. | 19:25 |
| shamail | Great idea emagana | 19:25 |
| shamail | Can you please assign maishsk and I the action? | 19:25 |
| maishsk | +1 | 19:25 |
| shamail | (for reminder) | 19:25 |
| emagana | s/bulish/publish/g | 19:25 |
| emagana | #action maishsk and shamail publish the AUC list of members and send it out to the ML. Suggest people who were not included to discuss directly with both of you and discuss the missing criteria(s) | 19:26 |
| shamail | The second session is a working session to determine whether we need to continue the working group to add more criteria or whether the UC can take over management of AUC going forward. This working group was supposed to be a short-term WG and we have completed our initial task… want guidance on whether we continue with another phase or disband it. | 19:26 |
| shamail | Anything else you want to add maishsk? | 19:26 |
| shamail | Thanks emagana | 19:26 |
| maishsk | Nope - you have it all covered | 19:27 |
| emagana | ok, anything else on this topic? | 19:27 |
| shamail | Thanks maishsk. That is all from us. Thanks for your time. | 19:27 |
| emagana | #topic PWG: Forum Suggestions | 19:27 |
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| emagana | Also a topic suggested by shamail | 19:27 |
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| shamail | ping Carolbarrett | 19:27 |
| shamail | Carolbarrett: do you want to lead this one? | 19:27 |
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| shamail | alright, i’ll start it off | 19:28 |
| emagana | maybe she Carolbarrett is not around | 19:28 |
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| shamail | We created a deck for this one as well | 19:28 |
| shamail | #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxtM4AiszlEyNEdqbVhNTVgzaWM/view?usp=sharing | 19:28 |
| shamail | As most of you might know, the summit is evolving in Boston with the introduction of a new concept called the Forum (intended to replace the current design summit) | 19:29 |
| Carolbarrett | shamail: I'd appreciate if you would lead this one | 19:29 |
| shamail | Sounds good, thx Carolbarrett | 19:29 |
| shamail | One of the main goals of this change is to ensure that user feedback can be recieved in a timely manner so that the dev teams can discuss at PTG (Project Team Gatherings) | 19:29 |
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| shamail | We, in the Product Working Group, brainstormed on how we think this goal could be achieved and how we could maximize user input into the OpenStack technical community | 19:30 |
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| emagana | shamail & Carolbarrett: In my opinion we should follow the next steps to make the proposal an official process for the Forum. | 19:31 |
| shamail | We also believe that we need to start discussing/promoting the Forum in Barcelona to ensure the people we want to be in attendance are aware of it. | 19:31 |
| shamail | Thanks emagana. That was our hope that we can use this as a starting point and refine it as “The UC Proposal for Forum" | 19:31 |
| emagana | 1. Discuss the proposal with TC first. They have meetings every other week. I know we will miss the opportunity before the Board meeting in Barcelona but I do not think we need BoD approval | 19:32 |
| shamail | PWG just wanted to create a starting point | 19:32 |
| shamail | emagana: Could we possibly ask to discuss this at the joint TC/UC/BoD section of the meeting? | 19:32 |
| shamail | It is critical that all parties message Forum the same way at the summit… | 19:32 |
| shamail | The discussion on Monday could ensure that we are all raising awareness through out the week | 19:33 |
| emagana | 2. Yes we could. I have a feeling that we may hear a negative reaction if we do not prepare them ahead | 19:33 |
| shamail | emagana: +1 | 19:33 |
| shamail | Should we add it to the TC agenda for next week? | 19:33 |
| emagana | So, we could actually present this to TC Chair first (Thierry) | 19:33 |
| shamail | (and re-label as UC proposal?) | 19:33 |
| emagana | In order to find out where the TC regarding the Forum and collect initial feedback | 19:33 |
| shamail | Sounds good, would you mind setting that up? | 19:33 |
| emagana | shamail: if the TC has a meeting next week, yes we could and we should | 19:34 |
| shamail | The TC is very important in this conversation since we want to ensure that all sessions result in actionable next steps (e.g. specs, bps, user stories, etc.) | 19:34 |
| emagana | #action emagana to request a time slot in TC meeting for next week if it there is a meeting. | 19:34 |
| shamail | Thanks emagana | 19:34 |
| shamail | We also should reach out to Lauren to determine promotion activities planned for the Forum in Barcelona | 19:35 |
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| shamail | Carolbarrett and I would be glad to do that on behalf of the UC if you think that is a good next step? | 19:35 |
| emagana | #action all AUC should read and get familiar with the deck. #link https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxtM4AiszlEyNEdqbVhNTVgzaWM/view?usp=sharing | 19:35 |
| emagana | shamail: sounds good to me. | 19:36 |
| shamail | Thanks | 19:36 |
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| shamail | Anyone else have questions on the Forum proposal? | 19:36 |
| shamail | That’s all on this topic from us emagana | 19:36 |
| emagana | if not. Let's move to the next topic | 19:36 |
| emagana | #topic: BCN Summit - UC and WG sessions | 19:36 |
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| emagana | I want to have a reminder of two important sessions. | 19:37 |
| emagana | The first one is the UC meeting #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16869/user-commitee-session | 19:38 |
| emagana | The second one is the UC WGs efficiency session #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16899/efficiency-of-working-groups-working-together-to-advance-the-community-leadership-of-the-user-committee | 19:38 |
| emagana | I want encourage all to attend these sessions. | 19:38 |
| emagana | We will discuss the future of the UC and the charter status as well as setting up the goals for the next year for the UC | 19:39 |
| * shamail sees a lot of conflicts in his BCN schedule :( | 19:39 | |
| emagana | After Barcelona we will have way more visibility and we should make use of it. | 19:39 |
| shamail | emagana: +1 | 19:39 |
| emagana | Monstly I would like to see how UC will impact the decisions on the TC | 19:40 |
| emagana | I also wanted to ask if anyone feel like their WG did not get the time/space required for their work? | 19:40 |
| maishsk | emagana: That would be most interesting thing to see how that pans out | 19:40 |
| jamemcc | We are hoping to discuss and talk about porposal for the Large Contributing OpenStack Operators (LCOO) with the UC. Is that at that time? | 19:41 |
| emagana | maishsk: I believe that we should work very closely with TC | 19:41 |
| maishsk | I am in total agreement :) | 19:41 |
| emagana | jamemcc: The second session will be the best for that | 19:41 |
| maishsk | It will bring a huge benefit to OpenStack as a whole | 19:41 |
| jamemcc | OK: Sorry if I should know - when is the second sesion? | 19:42 |
| emagana | in my mind, UC should request formally to TC to enforce a feature request or improvement regardless of the interest of the people working on that project and even the PTL. | 19:42 |
| emagana | jamemcc: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16899/efficiency-of-working-groups-working-together-to-advance-the-community-leadership-of-the-user-committee | 19:42 |
| emagana | jamemcc: You are working with Shilla on that WG, right? | 19:43 |
| jamemcc | Yes - thanks | 19:43 |
| emagana | jamemcc: great! | 19:43 |
| emagana | It is going to be a very important summit for UC | 19:44 |
| maishsk | emagana: that is not going to be easy | 19:44 |
| emagana | hopefully after this we can have an elected and not appointed UC and a formal AUC recognition with voting rights and free access to Forum | 19:44 |
| maishsk | as it essentially goes against everything the TC and OpenStack believe in | 19:44 |
| maishsk | so enforce might not be the correct term | 19:45 |
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| Rockyg | maishsk, sadly, true | 19:45 |
| emagana | maishsk: I dont think so. Why will it be against? On the contrary, the BoD is trying so hard to make UC a very important entity in OpenStack community | 19:45 |
| maishsk | From what I see the TC does not force anything upon the Project teams | 19:46 |
| maishsk | (with regards to features and priorities) | 19:46 |
| emagana | maishsk: Ah, that is a different problem that TC (with our collaboration) should fix | 19:46 |
| jamemcc | I agree that the UC needs to formalize a request to TC and certainly they need to have a formal reply (of the variety we got it and here's what we are doing with it) | 19:47 |
| jamemcc | Maybe that's the starting point rather than all the way to enforce | 19:47 |
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| jamemcc | Step 2 we collaborate on how to do that | 19:48 |
| emagana | jamemcc: Let's work for that! At least that is what I am working towards to | 19:48 |
| maishsk | It is has always been the problem of geeting people to fix stuff - or do stuff properly instead of going off and working on the next shiny thing | 19:48 |
| emagana | jamemcc: communication, attending TC meetings and having TC members attending Uc meetings | 19:48 |
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| emagana | leverage the BoD whenever we need to solve a conflict between TC and UC | 19:48 |
| emagana | So, whoever gets elected to the UC should continue this work. Moving to a different direction will throw away a lot of good work. | 19:49 |
| shamail | emagana: +1 | 19:49 |
| maishsk | emagana: so true | 19:49 |
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| emagana | Good reminder to all attending and members of AUC to prepare for taking a seat in the UC | 19:50 |
| emagana | 5 position will be available | 19:50 |
| emagana | positions* | 19:50 |
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| emagana | Ok, that is all I have for today. | 19:50 |
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| emagana | #topic Open Discussion | 19:50 |
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| emagana | ANyone wants to bring anything? | 19:50 |
| shamail | Thanks emagana, great meeting. | 19:50 |
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| jamemcc | Nice Edgar - good organization - thanks for what you are doing | 19:51 |
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| emagana | Thank you all for attending.. It is nice to have this great support. | 19:52 |
| Rockyg | Thanks! | 19:52 |
| Patifa | thank emagana this is really promissing | 19:52 |
| serverascode | yup thanks all | 19:52 |
| emagana | enjoy the rest of the day and the week. Looking forward to seeing you all in person in Barcelona! My second home city! | 19:52 |
| maishsk | Thank you all! | 19:52 |
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| emagana | #endmeeting | 19:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 10 19:53:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-10-10-19.06.html | 19:53 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-10-10-19.06.txt | 19:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-10-10-19.06.log.html | 19:53 |
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| zigo | ping IgorYozhikov zigo tlbr mordred jamespage ddellav coreycb zul onovy strigazi | 20:06 |
| tlbr | o/ | 20:06 |
| zigo | tlbr: It looks it its going to be you and me again ... :) | 20:07 |
| tlbr | zigo, :) | 20:07 |
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| tlbr | BTW i'm still working on trove-dashboard, I've asked Timur Sufiev to help me | 20:07 |
| zigo | #startmeeting deb_packaging | 20:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 10 20:07:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zigo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: deb_packaging)" | 20:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'deb_packaging' | 20:07 |
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| zigo | #topic Project status: upload to unstable | 20:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project status: upload to unstable (Meeting topic: deb_packaging)" | 20:08 | |
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| zigo | I uploaded everything to Unstable this week. | 20:08 |
| zigo | #link https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=openstack-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org | 20:08 |
| tlbr | mistral-dashboard too ? | 20:09 |
| zigo | Only networking-scf and neutron-taas aren't migrated. | 20:09 |
| zigo | They wouldn't build. | 20:09 |
| zigo | mistra-dashboard too yeah. | 20:09 |
| tlbr | cool! | 20:09 |
| zigo | I made the package today, it's in the NEW queue now. | 20:09 |
| tlbr | yeah, i've seen ITP | 20:10 |
| zigo | senlin-dashboard was fixed for Django 1.10 | 20:10 |
| zigo | I also uploaded it. | 20:10 |
| tlbr | from you | 20:10 |
| zigo | Only trove-dashboard is missing. | 20:10 |
| tlbr | i'm still working on it | 20:10 |
| zigo | tlbr: You saw the patch from rob, right? | 20:10 |
| tlbr | sec | 20:10 |
| tlbr | to trove-dashboard ? | 20:10 |
| tlbr | zigo, ^^^ | 20:10 |
| zigo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381999/ | 20:11 |
| zigo | This one ! | 20:11 |
| tlbr | sec | 20:11 |
| tlbr | gosh! | 20:11 |
| tlbr | thanks! | 20:11 |
| zigo | It's still not a 100% with it. | 20:11 |
| zigo | There's 3/4 failures still. | 20:11 |
| tlbr | which one ? | 20:12 |
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| zigo | I can't upload without the fixes. | 20:12 |
| zigo | Hang on, let me show you. | 20:12 |
| tlbr | "NoReverseMatch: u'en-us' is not a registered namespace" | 20:12 |
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| tlbr | this is what i'm curently checking | 20:12 |
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| zigo | FAIL: test_add_parameter_invalid_value (trove_dashboard.content.database_configurations.tests.DatabaseConfigurationsTests) | 20:12 |
| zigo | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | 20:12 |
| zigo | Traceback (most recent call last): | 20:12 |
| zigo | File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/openstack_dashboard/test/helpers.py", line 115, in instance_stub_out | 20:12 |
| zigo | return fn(self, *args, **kwargs) | 20:12 |
| zigo | File "/home/zigo/sources/openstack/newton/trove-dashboard/build-area/trove-dashboard-7.0.0~rc2/trove_dashboard/content/database_configurations/tests.py", line 341, in test_add_parameter_invalid_value | 20:12 |
| zigo | ['Value must be a number.']) | 20:12 |
| zigo | File "/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/django/test/testcases.py", line 406, in assertFormError | 20:13 |
| zigo | self.fail(msg_prefix + "Response did not use any contexts to render the response") | 20:13 |
| zigo | AssertionError: Response did not use any contexts to render the response | 20:13 |
| zigo | Thats' the only one remaining. | 20:13 |
| tlbr | hm | 20:13 |
| zigo | Then we got to actually TRY it, and make sure there's no exceptions. | 20:13 |
| zigo | Just in case some problems aren't caught by the unit tests ... | 20:13 |
| zigo | Same with the other dashboards, we need to check for them (at least browse in Horizon). | 20:14 |
| tlbr | have you uploaded the changes to gerrit ? | 20:14 |
| zigo | For trove-dashboard, no. | 20:14 |
| tlbr | i want to pick your changes and try to fix it | 20:14 |
| zigo | The rest of, yes. | 20:14 |
| tlbr | ok | 20:14 |
| zigo | Though mistral-dashboard isn't in Gerrit yet, just in Alioth. | 20:14 |
| tlbr | ok | 20:14 |
| zigo | Oh, we also need to do python-glareclient... | 20:15 |
| tlbr | yes :) Michael told me about it | 20:15 |
| zigo | And move both glare and glareclient to Gerrit. | 20:15 |
| tlbr | yeah, he will also release a new version soon, with nice improvements | 20:15 |
| tlbr | i'm talking about Glare | 20:15 |
| zigo | #topic Project status: Still heat_integration problem with tempest | 20:15 |
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| zigo | That one, I'm really not sure how to fix. | 20:16 |
| zigo | Currently, keystonemiddleware doesn't produce an auth_type = password kind of directives. | 20:16 |
| tlbr | is it the same issue you showed a week earlier ? | 20:16 |
| zigo | Yup. | 20:16 |
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| zigo | Same issue, I guess we don't need to discuss it again. | 20:16 |
| zigo | I need to chat with some Keystone specialists. | 20:17 |
| zigo | stevemar for example. | 20:17 |
| tlbr | ok | 20:17 |
| zigo | IMO, it's ok to delay the work on it. | 20:17 |
| zigo | #topic Project status: BTS clean-up in progress | 20:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Project status: BTS clean-up in progress (Meeting topic: deb_packaging)" | 20:17 | |
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| zigo | I've cleaned-up about 15 bugs today! :) | 20:18 |
| tlbr | :) | 20:18 |
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| zigo | #link https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=maint&data=openstack-devel%40lists.alioth.debian.org&archive=no&raw=yes&bug-rev=yes&pend-exc=fixed&pend-exc=done | 20:18 |
| zigo | There's more to come. | 20:18 |
| zigo | I'm satisfied when we reach a level where no action can be made. | 20:18 |
| zigo | That should be around 10 bugs, no more. | 20:19 |
| zigo | I've been slowed down a lot by "Hash mismatch" issues on the CI though. | 20:19 |
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| zigo | Hopefully, we'll have a "real" debian mirror some day to avoid these. | 20:19 |
| tlbr | is it still happening ? | 20:20 |
| zigo | A LOT !!! | 20:20 |
| tlbr | =\ | 20:20 |
| tlbr | ok | 20:20 |
| zigo | Some patches when up to 8 rechecks, still in error ... :( | 20:20 |
| tlbr | =( | 20:20 |
| tlbr | #link https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=837238 | 20:20 |
| openstack | Debian bug 837238 in src:trove-dashboard "trove-dashboard: FTBFS: compressor.exceptions.OfflineGenerationError: No template loaders defined. You must set TEMPLATE_LOADERS in your settings or set 'loaders' in your TEMPLATES dictionary." [Serious,Open] | 20:20 |
| tlbr | shall we patch settings.py ? | 20:20 |
| zigo | That one was before the upload of all of Newton to Sid. | 20:21 |
| zigo | I didn't close the bug, because we have another one with Django 1.10. | 20:21 |
| tlbr | got it, thanks | 20:21 |
| zigo | Though the topic and the reason is now completely different. | 20:21 |
| zigo | Maybe we should close that one and open a new bug... | 20:21 |
| zigo | I'd say: useless if we have the fix. | 20:21 |
| tlbr | i agree | 20:21 |
| zigo | I'll continue working on closing issues tomorrow. | 20:22 |
| zigo | #topic Opening Ocata dev | 20:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Opening Ocata dev (Meeting topic: deb_packaging)" | 20:22 | |
| zigo | I need to have infra guys to help with that. | 20:23 |
| zigo | pabelanger will need to add new ocata repo for example. | 20:23 |
| tlbr | you mean make branches for projects ? | 20:23 |
| tlbr | ah, got it | 20:23 |
| zigo | Branches is another thing, bug yes ! :) | 20:23 |
| tlbr | new repo along with branches | 20:23 |
| tlbr | ok :) | 20:23 |
| zigo | I don't really want to open 250+ branches by hand... :P | 20:23 |
| zigo | We can in theory do it in Gerrit though. | 20:23 |
| zigo | Do you know if we could script clicking on Gerrit? | 20:24 |
| tlbr | sec, i'll check if we have rights | 20:24 |
| zigo | We do have the rights to make new branches on Gerrit, that's for sure. | 20:24 |
| zigo | The only question is how to automate that ... | 20:24 |
| clarkb | zigo: the release team typically handles branch creation fwiw | 20:24 |
| clarkb | I think they may have scripts for it | 20:24 |
| tlbr | no, we can't do that by button | 20:24 |
| zigo | clarkb: Ah, thanks a lot for your input ! :) | 20:24 |
| tlbr | clarkb, is there anyway to do it ourselves ? | 20:25 |
| tlbr | *any way | 20:25 |
| zigo | clarkb: Our workflow is a little bit different though, instead of "master" (which is upstream master), we would like to open "debian/ocata" right away now. | 20:25 |
| clarkb | zigo: I am sure that can be parameterized | 20:25 |
| zigo | clarkb: Great, who should I ask? Doug? | 20:26 |
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| clarkb | ya I think I would start with Doug | 20:26 |
| zigo | Ok, will do. | 20:26 |
| zigo | #action Zigo to ask Doug about opening new debian/ocata branches when we are to start | 20:27 |
| zigo | tlbr: I prefer finishing the BTS clean-up first though, so I don't have to backport the fixes. | 20:27 |
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| zigo | tlbr: I'd like to start doing packaging from trunk though, which means packaging each and every release of libs, clients, etc... | 20:27 |
| zigo | tlbr: So it has to happen fast ... | 20:28 |
| tlbr | zigo, got it | 20:28 |
| zigo | tlbr: Do you think starting next week is reasonable? | 20:28 |
| tlbr | zigo, i guess so | 20:28 |
| zigo | ie: one week to clean-up everything ... | 20:28 |
| zigo | Ok, let's do that then. | 20:28 |
| tlbr | do you need help with bugs ? | 20:28 |
| zigo | Contrib is always welcome! :) | 20:29 |
| tlbr | :) | 20:29 |
| zigo | So, yes for sure ... | 20:29 |
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| zigo | #topic install-guide contribution | 20:29 |
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| zigo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDocTesting#Testers | 20:29 |
| zigo | I started reviewing every bits ... | 20:29 |
| zigo | And a few CR | 20:29 |
| zigo | tlbr: Do you have time for that work as well? | 20:29 |
| tlbr | zigo, what should I add there ? | 20:30 |
| zigo | annegentle: ping | 20:30 |
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| tlbr | i'll try to spend some time on it | 20:30 |
| zigo | tlbr: The thing is, the doc team insist that we "test" the install-guide, and make sure it works. | 20:30 |
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| zigo | I know the packages so well that I don't need to do actual tests for all. For example, for glance, I know it works, so I marked the debconf one as passed... | 20:31 |
| zigo | Need to add some stuff from the non-debconf bits though. | 20:31 |
| zigo | This type of things ... | 20:31 |
| zigo | Everything is in the status though. | 20:31 |
| zigo | The hardest bits will be networking. | 20:31 |
| tlbr | we have tests for services | 20:32 |
| zigo | The problem is that I don't have enough space available on my laptop. | 20:32 |
| tlbr | Nova, Neutron, Glance, etc. | 20:32 |
| zigo | tlbr: Do we have hardware available somewhere for this type of testing? | 20:32 |
| tlbr | I mean functional tests | 20:32 |
| tlbr | nope =\ | 20:32 |
| zigo | The goal is *not* to test if packages work, but if the install-guide is accurate and works. | 20:32 |
| zigo | I do know packages are working ! :) | 20:32 |
| zigo | (thanks to tempest testing...) | 20:33 |
| tlbr | ok, i can try to do so | 20:33 |
| zigo | tlbr: Do you have enough space on your computer to do the network tests? | 20:33 |
| zigo | That's really the hardest part ... | 20:33 |
| tlbr | zigo, yes, i can find it | 20:33 |
| zigo | Because you got to have all of the other parts working. | 20:33 |
| tlbr | let's discuss it on #openstack-pkg | 20:34 |
| zigo | Ok. | 20:34 |
| zigo | #topic Open discussion | 20:34 |
| tlbr | i'll need some help with it | 20:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: deb_packaging)" | 20:34 | |
| zigo | tlbr: On this topic, I wanted to know: who's taking care of that sync git script for MOS ? | 20:34 |
| zigo | A. Tsamutali ? | 20:35 |
| tlbr | zigo, we haven't started yet | 20:35 |
| tlbr | there are still CI preparation | 20:35 |
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| zigo | tlbr: Yeah, but who's doing it? | 20:35 |
| tlbr | zigo, no one at this moment | 20:35 |
| zigo | Ok. | 20:35 |
| tlbr | yes, we have Sync, but it thinks to branch | 20:35 |
| tlbr | all the changes | 20:35 |
| zigo | Well, it has to sync from git.openstack.org now, I guess you know that ... :P | 20:35 |
| tlbr | yeah, I've Sasha about it today | 20:36 |
| tlbr | we will see what we can do | 20:36 |
| tlbr | *i've told | 20:36 |
| zigo | Ok. | 20:36 |
| zigo | Anything else? | 20:36 |
| tlbr | I guess no. | 20:36 |
| tlbr | Thank you! | 20:37 |
| zigo | :) | 20:37 |
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| zigo | have a good night then. | 20:37 |
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| zigo | #endmeeting | 20:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 10 20:37:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/deb_packaging/2016/deb_packaging.2016-10-10-20.07.html | 20:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/deb_packaging/2016/deb_packaging.2016-10-10-20.07.txt | 20:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/deb_packaging/2016/deb_packaging.2016-10-10-20.07.log.html | 20:37 |
| tlbr | thanks, you too | 20:37 |
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| docaedo | Who's ready for the App Ecosystem WG meeting? | 22:00 |
| csterret__ | Me | 22:00 |
| Patifa | me~ | 22:00 |
| docaedo | #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 10 22:00:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' | 22:00 |
| docaedo | Our agenda this week: | 22:00 |
| docaedo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_Oct_10_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 22:01 |
| rocky_g | o/ | 22:01 |
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| docaedo | well hello you three! | 22:01 |
| Patifa | hello! | 22:01 |
| csterret__ | Hello | 22:01 |
| docaedo | First thing on the agenda is a quick one - who will be around for next weeks meeting? I will not be available, and with the summit approaching, should see if we are going to have another one before Barcelona... | 22:02 |
| Carolbarrett | hi | 22:02 |
| csterret__ | I will be here | 22:02 |
| Carolbarrett | If we're ready for the Summit, then I vote to cancel next week's meeting | 22:02 |
| rocky_g | me too | 22:03 |
| docaedo | I think we're about as ready as we're going to be :) | 22:03 |
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| Patifa | I'll be here but I'm ok with cancelling | 22:03 |
| csterret__ | agree, besides Chris has most of the AR's | 22:03 |
| docaedo | I say then we skip next week (and if csterret__ and Patifa want to have a meeting next Monday they can!) | 22:04 |
| Carolbarrett | :) | 22:04 |
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| Patifa | agreed! | 22:04 |
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| docaedo | I had two action items, to put together simple presentations for the BoF and the fishbowl session. | 22:05 |
| docaedo | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1qmN5p-D9vxkmShzdVPfGHKbYTeRkZWAiQmcGixg4Zpk/edit?usp=sharing | 22:05 |
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| docaedo | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1HXzKDjlWqR_gDlWURSEJ08qRpTuX72eTyMxYanIbdys/edit?usp=sharing | 22:05 |
| docaedo | Both ready for comments, though I know one of them I was waiting to see if there was updated information on the cloud analysis report | 22:06 |
| docaedo | I heard there's nothing new, so will drop those slides | 22:06 |
| docaedo | would like to ask here though for a few conversation-starter questions (maybe we have a slide with three that we leave up after the presentation) | 22:06 |
| docaedo | but also, please take a look at those slides and add suggestions, or request edit access and you can make changes/additions as you see fit | 22:07 |
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| Patifa | Do we want to add a slide with the guadalajara hackathon | 22:07 |
| Patifa | ? | 22:07 |
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| dfflanders | apologies, I'm here but furniture is being delivered to my house so juggling, apologies. Will read notes anon. | 22:08 |
| docaedo | oh that's a good idea, is there a place I can grab some stats? Or maybe has Flanders already done a presentation and I can just copy a slide? | 22:08 |
| docaedo | dfflanders: no sweat | 22:08 |
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| rocky_g | If we had a list of apps available in the OpenStack repos, we could list them, and ask what apps are we missing | 22:09 |
| Patifa | If dfflanders doesn't have a slide victor might... but he's OoO until Thursday | 22:10 |
| rocky_g | Or which apps should we focus on next | 22:10 |
| docaedo | rocky_g: you mean like whats at apps.openstack.org? Or do you mean something else when you say "in the openstack repos"? | 22:10 |
| docaedo | Patifa: we can sort out that slide then on the monday before the summit | 22:11 |
| Patifa | sure! | 22:11 |
| rocky_g | docaedo, so what's at apps.open, plus the interop apps and maybe the reference workloads? | 22:11 |
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| rocky_g | For the questions slide we leave up...gives folks a chance to explore | 22:13 |
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| docaedo | rocky_g: well .. there's 122 assets in the app catalog right now, so that's kind of a big list to throw up and ask what's missing :) | 22:13 |
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| rocky_g | Maybe categories? Or just throw up the link and put up Questions? with it... | 22:14 |
| docaedo | #action Aedo to add slide about guadalajara hackathon before summit | 22:14 |
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| docaedo | rocky_g: that could work (categories, maybe cherry-pick a few examples), to spur conversation | 22:15 |
| csterret__ | Anything about how we do or will or should interact with Enterprise WG, ISV, etc? | 22:15 |
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| docaedo | I am not sure if we have a clear idea of how we'll do that yet? though there's something from Patifa to hear an update on | 22:16 |
| docaedo | although I don't see it on the agenda - Patifa that thing to talk to the other working groups, was that in relation to this WG or was that a sub work group or something? I get confused, we have a few different related efforts afoot these days! | 22:17 |
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| * Patifa trying to remember if the Uber group meeting if before out BoF | 22:18 | |
| docaedo | ok well we can touch on it at the end | 22:18 |
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| docaedo | also I forgot to set topic! .. before we move on though, regarding slides, please add any comments to the google doc and I'll go through it once or twice more before the summit | 22:19 |
| docaedo | #topic App Dev Cheat Sheet (How to attrack AppDevs to summits?) | 22:19 |
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| docaedo | there was a dfflanders action "Flanders to ping mailing list to request any key themes." | 22:19 |
| dfflanders | I've got a minimalised draft here as it needs to go out soon: | 22:19 |
| dfflanders | https://docs.google.com/document/d/10uH3wHQDzwkjx28wcorXWmcd_twz4aYR0NSOUIC3GGg/edit | 22:20 |
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| dfflanders | ^^ comments pretty plz ;-) | 22:20 |
| docaedo | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/10uH3wHQDzwkjx28wcorXWmcd_twz4aYR0NSOUIC3GGg/edit | 22:20 |
| Patifa | dfflanders didnt you have another version.. better formated | 22:21 |
| Patifa | ? | 22:21 |
| dfflanders | For the future, I'd like to have a handbook we release, but as time is running out... | 22:21 |
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| dfflanders | future potential version was drafted here, which I would like to circle back around for Boston: | 22:21 |
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| dfflanders | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SRIZuXJLfVgWJsFvGyn-fGWEFm4lsgJoWAf_ZOrCymA/edit?usp=sharing | 22:22 |
| dfflanders | In the meantime, comments on the former blog post would be greatly appreciated along with any other highlights the group would like to see added. | 22:23 |
| Patifa | Let me see if I understood, you want comments on the blog post - page 1? | 22:24 |
| dfflanders | A thousand apologies, that is the wrong link... :( | 22:24 |
| * dfflanders juggling too many things at moment :( | 22:25 | |
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| dfflanders | Here is the blog post draft copy: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1V7DYJzklYGZSoz4FPG0BngbHYGu-Elov6yo4nHc5twk/edit | 22:25 |
| dfflanders | If everyone could please comment and add any highlights to the above. | 22:25 |
| Patifa | ok :D | 22:25 |
| docaedo | that makes more sense :) | 22:25 |
| dfflanders | sorry all | 22:25 |
| docaedo | #action Everyone to review and comment on "Cloud App Going-ons at the Barcelona Summit" doc | 22:25 |
| csterret__ | Due by when, Wednesday? | 22:26 |
| csterret__ | seems like we really need to do this in the next day or two | 22:26 |
| dfflanders | Yes, it has to go out ASAP. | 22:26 |
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| dfflanders | The audience for this post are any potential new people from Europe who might book to attend last minute | 22:27 |
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| docaedo | Cool - then please review/comment ASAP everyone | 22:27 |
| dfflanders | thank you all, and apologies for last minute stuff. | 22:27 |
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| docaedo | no sweat sir, you have a lot going on! | 22:28 |
| docaedo | Next on the agenda... | 22:28 |
| docaedo | #topic App Ecosystem WG Working Session | 22:28 |
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| docaedo | Specifically we've got an etherpad here: | 22:28 |
| docaedo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AppEcoSystem_WG_Barcelona_Meetup | 22:28 |
| dfflanders | Going to be fun (once it gets here), last minute rush weeks is the worst :( | 22:28 |
| docaedo | and the one thing thats open: what are our goals for the next cycle? | 22:29 |
| Patifa | There's always the usual - increase participation and corporate diversity. | 22:29 |
| Patifa | I suppose we can also add increase app dev participation at summit - and help with the handbook and other activities like that | 22:30 |
| docaedo | sure (and makes sense - that's also a success factor) | 22:30 |
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| csterret__ | More advance planning for the App Dev lounge, etc for Boston | 22:31 |
| dfflanders | I think everyone should be responsible for adding a minimum of 1-2 suggestions for WG tasks which should be taken forward (ideally something they are planning on doing as part of their personal remit)? | 22:31 |
| docaedo | I figure we could discuss ideas for just a few minutes here? and everyone has access to the etherpad so can add anything later too | 22:31 |
| dfflanders | +1 | 22:31 |
| docaedo | dfflanders: yes well said | 22:31 |
| dfflanders | having an opinion/idea (or participating via +1) should be obligatory as membership of the WG... though I live in Australia where voting is mandatory ;-) | 22:32 |
| docaedo | Some of my goals for the community app catalog heavily overlap with this WG, I'll add anything that could be a good cooperative effort | 22:32 |
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| dfflanders | As per this session, I'd like to see a discussion between WG chairs to talk about co-joining or co-locating WGs so membership overlap can optimse: | 22:33 |
| dfflanders | https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16899/efficiency-of-working-groups-working-together-to-advance-the-community-leadership-of-the-user-committee | 22:33 |
| dfflanders | https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16863/app-developer-enabling | 22:33 |
| docaedo | dfflanders: thanks for sharing those links | 22:34 |
| dfflanders | I also think the WG chairs as guided by the UC should bid for a space at the design summit to present their ideas/features/userWants to PTLs and other core contributors... <-- my two pence (not the foundations, necessarily) | 22:35 |
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| dfflanders | We need to figure out a better way for WGs to engage PTLs/Cores and likewise for Projects to guide WG Chairs... imho | 22:36 |
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| docaedo | dfflanders: I agree with that, but I'd like to see us have greater participation on the mailing list too, we'll hit a WAY bigger audience, and it's a lot easier to carry it forward vs. presentations/conversations at the summit (which are easily forgotten) | 22:36 |
| dfflanders | +1 | 22:37 |
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| Patifa | +1 | 22:38 |
| docaedo | I think we're good on this topic - main thing is this action: | 22:38 |
| dfflanders | NB the OpenStack board will be voting on adding additional UC chairs in Barcelona, so things will be progressing for user groups.... that and the PTG will free up the design summit for WGs to have more influence? | 22:39 |
| docaedo | #action Everyone to add 1-2 goals for next cycle to etherpad | 22:39 |
| docaedo | I saw that UC board vote coming up, interesting and good move IMO | 22:39 |
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| Carolbarrett | +1 | 22:40 |
| Patifa | +1 | 22:40 |
| dfflanders | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AppEcoSystem_WG_Barcelona_Meetup <-- re posting so everyone has to hand in the notes | 22:40 |
| docaedo | I'm not sure how the PTG change will impact external influence though - we still have a fundamental problem with individual projects taking direction from non-contributors | 22:40 |
| docaedo | (but we could bikeshed on that for hours, so let's just talk about it over beers in Barcelona!) | 22:41 |
| docaedo | moving on to... | 22:41 |
| docaedo | #topic Cloud App Training => recruitment of new community | 22:41 |
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| docaedo | there was an action for dfflanders to send an invite? | 22:41 |
| docaedo | "Monday night marketplace gathering, DFF to send invite to mailing list." | 22:42 |
| dfflanders | carry over for this week please, it is nigh :) | 22:42 |
| docaedo | dfflanders: do you like how we're piling on all the actions for you, with just two weeks before the summit? :D | 22:42 |
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| docaedo | Cool, we'll let that go for now | 22:43 |
| dfflanders | Though everyone please do make a note to meet in the Marketplace at the 'Cloud App Lab' lounge so we can all catchup with one another | 22:43 |
| dfflanders | on monday night at... | 22:43 |
| dfflanders | time to be announced on the mailing list ;_) | 22:43 |
| dfflanders | ;-) | 22:43 |
| docaedo | I'll be able to make it as long as it happens before 7 | 22:43 |
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| dfflanders | yes, either 5pm or 6pm is likely, still confirming | 22:44 |
| docaedo | cool | 22:44 |
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| * Patifa adding to calendar ;) | 22:44 | |
| docaedo | #topic Open discussion | 22:45 |
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| docaedo | Anybody have any open topics, or want to go back to something we jumped away from too soon? We've got 15 minutes.. | 22:45 |
| csterret__ | Contact Info for when we are in Barcelona? | 22:46 |
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| docaedo | safest bet for finding me in barcelona is to get on freenode IRC and type "/msg docaedo yo dawg where you at?" (but a text to +13234817211 will likely work as well) | 22:48 |
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| docaedo | :crickets: | 22:50 |
| dfflanders | never found a mobile IRC app I've liked, so best to ping me on the tweeters: @DFFlanders | 22:51 |
| rocky_g | have you tried AndChat? | 22:51 |
| dfflanders | rocky_g, thanks, I'll have a look :) | 22:51 |
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| Patifa | docaedo I think we're good for today :D | 22:53 |
| docaedo | yep, I think so too - thanks everyone! See you not next week, but the week after in Barcelona! | 22:54 |
| rocky_g | yay! | 22:54 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 22:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 10 22:54:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-10-10-22.00.html | 22:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-10-10-22.00.txt | 22:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-10-10-22.00.log.html | 22:54 |
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