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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 09:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
| oneswig | Hello hello hello | 09:00 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today is here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_September_14th_2016 | 09:01 |
| priteau | Good morning oneswig | 09:01 |
| oneswig | Hi priteau | 09:01 |
| simon-AS559 | Hello everybody | 09:02 |
| oneswig | hello | 09:02 |
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| oneswig | Just checking for blairo | 09:02 |
| priteau | Hi simon-AS559 | 09:02 |
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| b1airo | allo allo | 09:02 |
| oneswig | Evening b1airo | 09:03 |
| b1airo | how goes it? | 09:03 |
| priteau | Hey b1airo | 09:03 |
| oneswig | Just getting started | 09:03 |
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| b1airo | hey priteau ! | 09:03 |
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| oneswig | #topic Barcelonaaaaaaa | 09:03 |
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| b1airo | :-) | 09:03 |
| oneswig | So, we have plans taking shape | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | BoF double-session requested Wednesday morning (time, venue, doubleness all TBC) | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | WG meeting also requested Wednesday morning (ideally not concurrently) | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | I am hoping those will be confirmed in the schedule soon - there was a closing date for submissions tomorrow | 09:05 |
| oneswig | so it could be as early as that | 09:05 |
| oneswig | Yet more progress on this front however: | 09:06 |
| b1airo | (fyi, apologies in advance if i disappear - monitoring our major ceph cluster whilst a network change is underway) | 09:06 |
| simon-AS559 | Good luck b1airo | 09:06 |
| oneswig | Holy cow - live-blogging the outage! | 09:06 |
| b1airo | don't say the O word!!! | 09:06 |
| oneswig | keep us informed :-) | 09:06 |
| b1airo | thanks simon-AS559, are you lurking for mentions of ceph?! | 09:07 |
| simon-AS559 | (Not really in this case, more lurking for mentions of federation) | 09:07 |
| oneswig | #link we also have this arranged: https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/openstack-scientific-working-group-barcelona-social-tickets-27567156106 | 09:08 |
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| oneswig | Currently room for 30, might expand if we get further sponsorship | 09:08 |
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| b1airo | ah great, are you one of the folks on the end of Khalil's broadcasts? | 09:09 |
| oneswig | I haven't circulated the event details yet | 09:09 |
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| b1airo | oneswig, are you wanting us all to register that way or are we going to hold a few spots for known attendees ? | 09:10 |
| oneswig | I can hold a few back but perhaps best to register, I'll only forget otherwise | 09:10 |
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| priteau | I have just registered | 09:11 |
| b1airo | on it! | 09:11 |
| oneswig | Grand, thanks guys, now we are having a party | 09:12 |
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| oneswig | Final item for Barcelona from me was this request from a couple of weeks back | 09:12 |
| oneswig | #link WG scientific openstack summit picks https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-WG-summit-picks | 09:12 |
| b1airo | just occurred to me to search eavesdrop irc logs for "eventbrite" in the weeks leading up to summits, probably a good way to uncover all the private (but free and open) events! | 09:12 |
| oneswig | b1airo: genius | 09:13 |
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| oneswig | I think we've got a good mix there now on the etherpad, it sounds like it's going to get converted into something on SuperUser - last chance to add or amend... | 09:13 |
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| oneswig | OK, anything else for Barcelona today? | 09:14 |
| oneswig | #topic Lustre, SRIOV, high-performance data | 09:15 |
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| b1airo | yeah i figured it would end up on superuser or some such, hence the commentary | 09:15 |
| oneswig | This came up because we've been having some issues with Lustre clients on our Cambridge system | 09:16 |
| oneswig | connection drops and such like | 09:16 |
| oneswig | Still getting to the bottom of it, we had our vendors in yesterday and I think the issue's getting some focus | 09:16 |
| oneswig | I was wondering, what's the best we can expect to see? | 09:17 |
| b1airo | from the vendors? ... ;-) | 09:17 |
| oneswig | b1airo: lol, not this time | 09:18 |
| oneswig | What performance do you get on Monarch/M3? | 09:18 |
| oneswig | as a proportion of bare metal ? | 09:18 |
| b1airo | you know i actually don't have those numbers readily available :-( | 09:19 |
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| b1airo | Gin has some from M3 | 09:19 |
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| oneswig | Thanks b1airo I'll ask in that thread with Gin | 09:20 |
| oneswig | I assume it's working and everything's good though? | 09:20 |
| b1airo | and I never personally performed comparative tests on MonARCH, though the main admins did | 09:20 |
| b1airo | yes, when the SRIOV VFs stay put and the drivers behave, it works well | 09:21 |
| oneswig | Is that unusual? | 09:21 |
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| oneswig | In a separate but possibly related problem I'm getting TCP retransmits on SR-IOV VFs in my VMs. Possibly due to packet reordering... | 09:22 |
| b1airo | i say that because we've found that e.g. doing a NIC firmware upgrade can cause Nova to delete the PCI device from its tables and thus the compute driver removes it | 09:22 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I'm surprised you could do a NIC firmware upgrade without rebooting the node. Most of the ones I've done with these NICs seem to end up requiring that level of reset | 09:23 |
| b1airo | oh yes they do, but then we shutdown the guest and sometimes find it no longer has a PCI device on reboot | 09:24 |
| oneswig | b1airo: uh-oh. I'll bear that in mind. Did you figure out why? | 09:24 |
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| oneswig | priteau: do people ever virtualise Chameleon hardware with SR-IOV ethernet? | 09:26 |
| b1airo | no i guess we probably need to ensure nova is stopped before doing the upgrade work so that it won't report the PCI dev gone | 09:27 |
| priteau | unfortunately our Ethernet cards don't support SR-IOV | 09:27 |
| priteau | only our Infiniband cards do | 09:27 |
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| b1airo | and regarding driver issues, we have had a few guests where the MOFED driver stack is not fully loaded after boot | 09:28 |
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| b1airo | just a handful of the kernel modules but not the core ones needed to see the IB ports, so e.g. ibdevinfo and friends don't return anything | 09:28 |
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| oneswig | OFED in the guest? I'll look for that. We don't have many users booting those images currently | 09:29 |
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| b1airo | seems to be the mlx4_core module, as modprobing that (or openibd restart) causes a ~1min hang and then everything starts working | 09:29 |
| oneswig | wrt NIC firmware, I've been wondering about a ramdisk element for Ironic which might be a good place to perform Mellanox FW updates | 09:30 |
| oneswig | b1airo: brrr... and not something you can reproduce on tap | 09:31 |
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| oneswig | OK, I'll write to Gin to see what counts as good performance, thanks for those details | 09:32 |
| b1airo | no not reliably reproducible :-( | 09:32 |
| oneswig | Move on? | 09:33 |
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| b1airo | just pinged Gin on Slack, she was doing IOR tests just the other day | 09:33 |
| b1airo | oneswig, re. the reordering issue... | 09:34 |
| oneswig | OK, thanks b1airo, as it happens so was I (for cinder volumes) | 09:34 |
| b1airo | have you narrowed it down any more? | 09:34 |
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| oneswig | Not yet. I'm busy preparing for a presentation tomorrow - OpenStack Day UK - hoping to pick it up on Friday | 09:35 |
| b1airo | can't recall if it is possible to tcpdump/tap the VF from the host... seems unlikely | 09:35 |
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| oneswig | I don't think so, but I can mirror the switch port | 09:35 |
| b1airo | yeah that's the next option | 09:36 |
| oneswig | I think that'll be my strategy, be great to have proof | 09:36 |
| oneswig | #topic inter-cloud federation | 09:37 |
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| oneswig | OK, lets move on | 09:37 |
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| oneswig | So there is a discussion forming about the best ways to tackle scientific compute on shared federated clouds | 09:38 |
| oneswig | I think there's already a good deal achieved here in different areas | 09:38 |
| oneswig | So a discussion on common cause is perhaps overdue | 09:38 |
| b1airo | yes, did you join last night's (melbourne time) chat? | 09:39 |
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| oneswig | Yes, it was a useful discussion and the consensus was that the most productive path for this discussion would be to focus on resolving the policy issues between federated sites | 09:40 |
| oneswig | Accounting and (possibly) chargeback are also gaping holes from what I can see | 09:40 |
| oneswig | There was some discussion on European projects - EGI, HN Sci Cloud, Indigo-DC | 09:41 |
| b1airo | indeed, but is there a minimal commitment option that we could start with? | 09:41 |
| oneswig | I took an action item from the discussion to seek European TZ WG members who would be interested in taking part | 09:41 |
| simon-AS559 | I'm very interested in these aspects, though from a different perspective. | 09:41 |
| oneswig | simon-AS559: great, can I put you in touch with Khalil who is organising the group? | 09:42 |
| simon-AS559 | Sure | 09:42 |
| oneswig | You're at SWITCH, right? | 09:43 |
| simon-AS559 | Right. | 09:43 |
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| oneswig | OK, thanks I'll follow up. What's different about your perspective? | 09:43 |
| simon-AS559 | I'll try to explain: | 09:43 |
| simon-AS559 | I'm interested in giving academic *institutions* (which are complex in themselves) | 09:44 |
| simon-AS559 | access to our community cloud | 09:44 |
| simon-AS559 | using Federated Identity Management systems that are already in place | 09:44 |
| simon-AS559 | (SAML-based) | 09:44 |
| simon-AS559 | So it's less "federation between clouds" | 09:44 |
| simon-AS559 | and more "using identity federations" | 09:44 |
| simon-AS559 | (in a "traditional" B2B context, not "sharing" like in the Grid/EGI community etc.) | 09:45 |
| simon-AS559 | Actually it's in the academic context with a shared service provider (such as an NREN or a national compute center) | 09:45 |
| simon-AS559 | so not quite "traditional B2B". | 09:45 |
| b1airo | simon-AS559, i can point you to the code we use for this in the Nectar cloud | 09:46 |
| oneswig | Right, that makes sense - so people from University A know that they are accessing your system. It isn't that they log on to some local portal and their workload happens to launch somewhere else. | 09:46 |
| simon-AS559 | I guess this is partly similar to what projects like Indigo Datacloud work on, but different. | 09:46 |
| simon-AS559 | oneswig: right. | 09:46 |
| b1airo | we bootstrap users onto the cloud through AAF (Australian Access Federation), which is a Shibboleth federation | 09:46 |
| simon-AS559 | Same here, but our bootstrapping method is super simple and woefully inadequate. | 09:47 |
| simon-AS559 | And we still need to build showback/reporting for institutions. | 09:47 |
| simon-AS559 | We already have billing though! | 09:47 |
| simon-AS559 | (That's why the institutions are so interested in reporting, surprise surprise!) | 09:47 |
| simon-AS559 | Also, delegated administration (letting institutional IT managers on- and offboard users etc.) | 09:47 |
| simon-AS559 | (…set up projects and quotas...) | 09:48 |
| b1airo | very similar to CERN's requirements | 09:48 |
| simon-AS559 | Again, similar but different (CERN doesn't send bills) | 09:48 |
| simon-AS559 | (and everybody has a CERN account :-) | 09:49 |
| b1airo | what are the gaps in your bootstrapping? | 09:49 |
| simon-AS559 | Putting users into the right project(s) | 09:49 |
| simon-AS559 | Authorizing request for access via the "responsible person" at the site | 09:49 |
| simon-AS559 | Getting rid of users/their resources | 09:49 |
| simon-AS559 | —Some of our customer institutions have told us they want auto-expiring accounts | 09:50 |
| simon-AS559 | Also, a "bulk mode" for onboarding many users, e.g. as part of a course | 09:50 |
| simon-AS559 | (and offboarding them when the semester is over...) | 09:50 |
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| simon-AS559 | Anyway, this is more "academic WG" than "scientific WG", but I'd be happy to talk about these issues in Barcelona if there's space. | 09:51 |
| b1airo | so the authz part sounds like what you really need is an allocation process for a project associated with reasonable quota? | 09:51 |
| simon-AS559 | There should be a couple people from other European providers like us there. | 09:51 |
| simon-AS559 | b1airo: Maybe, where "reasonable" should be defined by someone from the "home" institution. | 09:52 |
| oneswig | simon-AS559: sounds great. I'll forward you the details of this group and hopefully you can join in the discussion right away, and keep it going at Barcelona | 09:52 |
| simon-AS559 | Thanks. | 09:52 |
| b1airo | does your current bootstrap process sit in-front of your horizon? | 09:52 |
| simon-AS559 | Interesting work in this area includes the Hexaa/RegSite project. | 09:52 |
| simon-AS559 | b1airo: Our current bootstrap process is a separate Rails app that can administrate "vouchers" etc. | 09:52 |
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| simon-AS559 | Anyway, thanks for listening! :-) | 09:53 |
| oneswig | Thanks simon-AS559! Really useful to know. Is this all openly available from SWITCH? | 09:54 |
| simon-AS559 | Unfortunately no, but anyway it's very limited and tailored to other things here. | 09:55 |
| simon-AS559 | The Hexaa/RegSite stuff is on GitHub and more powerful. | 09:55 |
| simon-AS559 | Probably a better start | 09:55 |
| oneswig | OK thanks. | 09:55 |
| simon-AS559 | (It wasn't there when we needed something.) | 09:55 |
| oneswig | #topic Any other business | 09:56 |
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| oneswig | Anything to share? | 09:56 |
| oneswig | #link I'm speaking tomorrow at https://openstackday.uk/ | 09:57 |
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| b1airo | simon-AS559, i think the nectar bootstrap approach could work for you if it's a shib federation you want to leverage | 09:57 |
| b1airo | that would solve your user account creation issues at least | 09:57 |
| simon-AS559 | Thanks, that would fit. I'll have a look! | 09:57 |
| simon-AS559 | Is that on Github or somewhere? | 09:58 |
| b1airo | i think it's in our internal git though :-/, but let me invite you to our Slack and i'll introduce you to Sam (you probably know him already?) | 09:59 |
| priteau | oneswig: I will be at the OpenStack Day tomorrow, looking forward to meet you! | 09:59 |
| simon-AS559 | b1airo: Yes, we met. Thanks! | 09:59 |
| oneswig | priteau: Great! Looking forward to seeing you | 09:59 |
| oneswig | OK we should close the meeting - final comments? | 10:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks simon-AS559 b1airo priteau | 10:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 10:01:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-09-14-09.00.html | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-09-14-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-09-14-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
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| priteau | Bye everyone | 10:02 |
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| b1airo | done and dusted | 10:03 |
| b1airo | Ceph still happy! | 10:03 |
| b1airo | simon-AS559, last name "Leinen", right? | 10:03 |
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| prometheanfire | #startmeeting requirements | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 12:00:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is prometheanfire. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:00 |
| prometheanfire | #topic rollcall | 12:01 |
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| coolsvap | o/ | 12:01 |
| tonyb | o/ | 12:02 |
| prometheanfire | a couple of minutes in case anyone else decides to join | 12:02 |
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| dirk | o/ | 12:04 |
| prometheanfire | ok | 12:05 |
| prometheanfire | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 12:05 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb: I see you 'solved the keystone finds | 12:06 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: sloved is one word for it. | 12:07 |
| prometheanfire | :D | 12:07 |
| tonyb | the keysyoneauth (ksa) one is better in ocata, and then backported as needed | 12:07 |
| tonyb | the keystonemiddleware (ksm) is just too late | 12:07 |
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| tonyb | we need to take it on the chin | 12:07 |
| tonyb | same with oslo.log | 12:08 |
| tonyb | it gives us strong motivation to fix lower bounds testsing | 12:08 |
| dirk | yep | 12:08 |
| prometheanfire | ya, both of those (oslo.log and keystonemiddleware)'s timeing sucked | 12:08 |
| prometheanfire | anything else? | 12:08 |
| dirk | next | 12:09 |
| tonyb | not from me .. FFEs really are the queue this week :( | 12:09 |
| prometheanfire | #topic Requirements freeze R-5 (Aug 29 - Sept 02) | 12:09 |
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| prometheanfire | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 12:10 |
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| prometheanfire | it's now the 14th | 12:10 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: sure, those dates don't cover the duration of the freeze only indicatede when it shoudl start | 12:10 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: do we have a date for branching? | 12:11 |
| prometheanfire | I'm guessing rc1s? | 12:11 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: we have to be last so just after the rest are done | 12:11 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 12:11 |
| prometheanfire | was just wondering how much longer that was :P | 12:11 |
| tonyb | probabaly early next week | 12:11 |
| prometheanfire | k | 12:12 |
| prometheanfire | k | 12:12 |
| prometheanfire | moving on | 12:12 |
| tonyb | we're starting to see RC1 requests come through ... | 12:12 |
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| prometheanfire | #topic Barcelona Design Summit | 12:13 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb: updates? | 12:13 |
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| tonyb | We have one fishbowel session and a shared meetup with releases | 12:13 |
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| tonyb | now we need to set an agend for the fishbowl session | 12:13 |
| prometheanfire | anyone other than tonyb going? | 12:13 |
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| * coolsvap going | 12:14 | |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: yeah a few people are | 12:14 |
| prometheanfire | good | 12:14 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: is speaking | 12:14 |
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| tonyb | (about requirements) | 12:14 |
| prometheanfire | even better | 12:14 |
| prometheanfire | link? | 12:14 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: I don't have one | 12:14 |
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| tonyb | coolsvap: has mentioned it a couple of times | 12:14 |
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| prometheanfire | k | 12:15 |
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| tonyb | it'll be in the logs | 12:15 |
| prometheanfire | anything else? | 12:15 |
| coolsvap | https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15330/openstack-requirements-what-we-are-doing-what-to-expect-and-whats-next | 12:15 |
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| prometheanfire | ah, right | 12:15 |
| prometheanfire | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15330/openstack-requirements-what-we-are-doing-what-to-expect-and-whats-next | 12:15 |
| prometheanfire | #topic Tasks from Etherpad | 12:16 |
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| prometheanfire | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:16 |
| prometheanfire | I finished projects that aren't getting updates | 12:16 |
| prometheanfire | moved it to complete (7) | 12:17 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: \o/ | 12:17 |
| dirk | prometheanfire++ | 12:17 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: (y) | 12:17 |
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| prometheanfire | next? | 12:18 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: Yup | 12:18 |
| prometheanfire | Open Discussion | 12:18 |
| prometheanfire | #topic Open Discussion | 12:18 |
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| coolsvap | I saw some discussion/review related to lower bounds | 12:19 |
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| coolsvap | any updates related to it? | 12:19 |
| prometheanfire | I know tony has his test review up | 12:20 |
| prometheanfire | hackish hack that it is | 12:20 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: I have a tool that generates a "modified" g-r that you can then use to build a constraints file | 12:20 |
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| tonyb | I found some really low hanging fruit that we can use to clean things up | 12:21 |
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| tonyb | The big challenge is actually testing it and make it possible for project teams to test it themselves | 12:21 |
| tonyb | once we get it (lower-constraints.txt) it'll be pretty static (unles we find bugs) | 12:22 |
| tonyb | It'll be a reasonable chunk of slow work for the ocata cycle | 12:22 |
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| prometheanfire | yarp | 12:23 |
| prometheanfire | https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1605629 was just reported btw | 12:23 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1605629 in Ironic "AttributeError: 'Timer' object has no attribute '__code__' (requires pecan > 1.0.2)" [Low,Incomplete] | 12:23 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: does that answer you questions? | 12:23 |
| coolsvap | thanks tonyb for the update. I think I read on the review its targeted in Newton or something so just wanted to get updates | 12:23 |
| prometheanfire | that's another gr bump requested | 12:24 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: No targetted at Ocata not newton | 12:24 |
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| tonyb | Why is everyone testing lower bounds NOW? | 12:25 |
| prometheanfire | I don't know :( | 12:25 |
| tonyb | Well we'll have to make it better for Ocata+ | 12:26 |
| prometheanfire | yes | 12:26 |
| prometheanfire | should we talk about that one now? | 12:26 |
| tonyb | we can't backport to stable/* as it'd violoate the policy :( | 12:26 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: the pecan bug? | 12:26 |
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| prometheanfire | ya | 12:27 |
| prometheanfire | http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=pecan&i=nope&files=requirements.txt&repos= nothing too bad | 12:27 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: can we backport the oslo.log one? | 12:28 |
| prometheanfire | I thought that was a gr change as well | 12:28 |
| prometheanfire | >=4.2.0 instead of 4.0.0 | 12:28 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: No oslo.log once can't be backported | 12:28 |
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| prometheanfire | yep | 12:29 |
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| prometheanfire | guess now would be a good time to summarize a list of existing things that need backporting | 12:30 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: not sure if you maintian a list, just your starred? | 12:30 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: no starred was things that needed to be an FFE I'll worry abotu backports next week | 12:32 |
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| prometheanfire | k | 12:32 |
| prometheanfire | well, I know it's early, but I'm out of topics :D | 12:32 |
| tonyb | if it works for me to star them as a way to communicate them I can do that. | 12:32 |
| tonyb | I dont' think there's that much stuff to backport | 12:32 |
| prometheanfire | so unless anyone speaks up... | 12:33 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: I was thinking it'd be good if we had a way to syncronize across time zones is all | 12:33 |
| * tonyb would not object to an early night ;P | 12:33 | |
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| prometheanfire | star after branching? | 12:33 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: If that works for y'all it's pretty easy for me and very queryablr for y'all | 12:34 |
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| prometheanfire | k | 12:35 |
| prometheanfire | #endmeeting | 12:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 12:36:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:36 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-09-14-12.00.html | 12:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-09-14-12.00.txt | 12:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-09-14-12.00.log.html | 12:36 |
| prometheanfire | cya later :D | 12:36 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:00 |
| ronghui | hi | 13:00 |
| yinxiulin | hello | 13:01 |
| Yipei | hello | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 13:01:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:01 |
| yinxiulin | info yinxiulin | 13:01 |
| ronghui | #info ronghui | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #topic PTL election | 13:02 |
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| yinxiulin | I elect Joe | 13:02 |
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| ronghui | +1 | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | every one can nominate himself as the PTL candidacy | 13:03 |
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| Yipei | vote here? or in a mail? | 13:03 |
| joehuang | in mail-list | 13:04 |
| Yipei | got it | 13:04 |
| ronghui | ok | 13:04 |
| yinxiulin | OK | 13:04 |
| dfhuang01 | ok | 13:04 |
| joehuang | the self nomination should be sent before next thuesday noon | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | if more than one candidacy, then vote is needed | 13:06 |
| lzy | #info lzy | 13:06 |
| yueyuquan | #info yueyuquan | 13:06 |
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| hejiawei | #info jiawei | 13:06 |
| syk | #info shiyangkai | 13:06 |
| dfhuang01 | #info dongfeng | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | otherwise, if only one PTL candidate, no vote is needed | 13:06 |
| yinxiulin | got it | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | this is one example for self nomination | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2016-09/msg00830.html | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | any question on PTL election? | 13:08 |
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| liukun | #info liukun | 13:09 |
| Yipei | no for me | 13:09 |
| yinxiulin | not | 13:09 |
| dfhuang01 | no | 13:09 |
| ronghui | no | 13:09 |
| joehuang | sorry, the example is non-nomination | 13:09 |
| joehuang | I'll find another example | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | it's very slow to open the page | 13:11 |
| joehuang | just one second | 13:11 |
| ronghui | :) it is ok | 13:11 |
| joehuang | this one:http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2016-09/msg00781.html | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | so if you are interested in being the PTL of Tricircle in Ocata release, please nominate yourself before next tuesday noon in the mail-list | 13:12 |
| joehuang | Good, next topic | 13:12 |
| joehuang | #topic feature implementation review | 13:13 |
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| yinxiulin | I submitted a patch for server action(part2), the unit test and tempest has passed locally | 13:13 |
| joehuang | please describe your feature progress in short, thanks | 13:13 |
| joehuang | and any help needed, please also let us know that | 13:14 |
| Yipei | about dynamic pod binding, i have improved the code based on your comments. i am working on unit tests, and i will submit a patch this week | 13:14 |
| joehuang | to Xiulin, good progress, so could you update the table in the google doc? | 13:14 |
| yinxiulin | ok , no problem | 13:14 |
| joehuang | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yXdxGtQq_6YJUtJtjmPICyhq4SbP8E6uWyzn0zev8bI/edit#gid=308439069 | 13:15 |
| dfhuang01 | I am beginning developing the api for routing table. now I am learning the resource type that will be created by user or bottom pod. | 13:15 |
| joehuang | to Yipei, thanks a lot | 13:15 |
| hejiawei | I pass the unit test and learn how to tempest test,I will try to understand the test script writed by joe in Mid-Autumn | 13:15 |
| ronghui | about the installation.rst i find some fuzzy describe and try to fix it and add the function demonstration about volume | 13:16 |
| joehuang | to dongfeng, great | 13:16 |
| Yipei | @joe, you are welcome, it is my duty. no other questions, i will speedup to make the framework merged ASAP | 13:16 |
| joehuang | to Jiawei, if you need help, please mail me | 13:17 |
| joehuang | or in the mail-list | 13:17 |
| hejiawei | ok | 13:17 |
| joehuang | to Ronghui, improvement is always welcome | 13:18 |
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| joehuang | and move fast if you submit small patch | 13:18 |
| ronghui | ok i will update ASAP | 13:18 |
| joehuang | to Yipei, great, keep going | 13:18 |
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| lzy | for me,i am learning how to test. | 13:19 |
| joehuang | ok, zhiyuan told me he is on the way to home, so he will not be shown in the meeting | 13:19 |
| joehuang | to lzy, you mean unit test or tempest test? | 13:20 |
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| lzy | unit test | 13:20 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:21 |
| joehuang | for tempest test, in fact, it's collection of test cases to test the openstack service in running | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | and one tool called ostestr which is the wrapper of testr is the testing tool | 13:22 |
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| hejiawei | to joe,Is there test case about force detach volume? | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | not received confirmation from the cinder team in the mail-list yet | 13:23 |
| hejiawei | got it | 13:23 |
| joehuang | but I did not find that | 13:23 |
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| lzy | ok thank you. | 13:24 |
| joehuang | I am glad to know more and more contributors are ready for contribution | 13:24 |
| joehuang | so if you need help, feel free to talk in the #openstack-tricircle to get help in time | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | #topic tricircle splitting | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | regarding to tricircle splitting | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | I am working according to the agenda listed in the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleSplitting | 13:26 |
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| joehuang | there are huge documentation work | 13:26 |
| lzy | yep,and jiawei is my firend ,i can ask him too | 13:26 |
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| joehuang | so I'll devote most effort to work on it | 13:27 |
| joehuang | if I need you guys help, I'll send mail in the mail-list | 13:27 |
| ronghui | ok | 13:27 |
| Yipei | ok | 13:27 |
| hejiawei | ok | 13:28 |
| joehuang | please check to see if there is something missing in the todo list for tricircle splitting | 13:28 |
| ronghui | got | 13:28 |
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| ronghui | it | 13:28 |
| yinxiulin | ok | 13:28 |
| lzy | ok | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | trio2o launchpad is ready, but git repo is still in review. one +2 from one core reviewer | 13:29 |
| joehuang | need one more +2 to get it merged | 13:29 |
| joehuang | ok, other topics? | 13:31 |
| yinxiulin | no for me | 13:31 |
| ronghui | no for me | 13:31 |
| Yipei | no for me | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | ok, so let's end the meeting today, and hope have a wonderful moon festival :) | 13:33 |
| joehuang | enjoy! | 13:33 |
| ronghui | thanks a lot have a nice moon day! | 13:33 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:33 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 13:33:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-09-14-13.01.html | 13:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-09-14-13.01.txt | 13:33 |
| hejiawei | thank you | 13:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-09-14-13.01.log.html | 13:33 |
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| lzy | thank you | 13:33 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:33 |
| yinxiulin | thanks | 13:33 |
| yueyuquan | bye | 13:33 |
| ronghui | bye | 13:33 |
| Yipei | thanks, bye | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | thank you al | 13:34 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting javascript | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 14:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | #link Agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-09-14 | 14:00 |
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| krotscheck | Good morning everyone! | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 14:00 |
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| * krotscheck wonders if cardeois is there | 14:00 | |
| msmol | he's here | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | ncie | 14:00 |
| cardeois | Hi, yes I'm here ! | 14:01 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Action Followup: Build a better mousetrap (readme) | 14:01 |
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| cardeois | hum oops | 14:01 |
| cardeois | I honestly didn't work on the project this week sorry | 14:01 |
| cardeois | I'll try to catch up for the next meeting though | 14:02 |
| larainema | o/ | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | Righto- that's understandable, my week's been similarly hard, plus you're blocked on neutorn ATM. | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | #action Write a better README.md file | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | #undo | 14:02 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x7f23bd7a9c50> | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | #action cardeois Write a better README.md file | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | #topic propagate https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356473/1/doc/source/releasing.rst to js-openstack-lib and js-generator-openstack | 14:03 |
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| krotscheck | Not done. Spent my time building version detection and figuring out what's wrong with Neutron | 14:03 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck propagate https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356473/1/doc/source/releasing.rst to js-openstack-lib and js-generator-openstack | 14:03 |
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| cardeois | Yes thanks for that | 14:03 |
| krotscheck | #topic Action Followup: implement OpenStack class | 14:03 |
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| krotscheck | larainema has a patch up! | 14:03 |
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| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369319/ | 14:03 |
| cardeois | \o/ | 14:04 |
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| cardeois | will try to review it | 14:04 |
| larainema | I have some problem to run test on my dev machine | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | What kind of problems? | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | (And what operating system?) | 14:04 |
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| larainema | it's problem to start the browse | 14:05 |
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| cardeois | what operating system are you on? | 14:06 |
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| larainema | it's ubuntu 14.04 | 14:06 |
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| krotscheck | larainema: You may have to configure CHROME_BIN and FIREFOX_BIN to have karma properly find the executables | 14:07 |
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| larainema | oh, thanks krotscheck | 14:08 |
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| larainema | i didn't config it | 14:08 |
| krotscheck | Ping me if you run into any other problems. Also, I noticed that a more recent version of karma-chrome-launcher and karma-firefox-launcher seem to work a lot better. | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | So updating those in the package.json may help. | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | Alright, so back to your patch: | 14:09 |
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| krotscheck | larainema: If it still doesn't work, you can just run `npm run test:node` as a smoketest | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | Overall it looks pretty good. | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | Definitely a good start. | 14:10 |
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| krotscheck | Does anyone have questions for larainema? | 14:10 |
| cardeois | No looks good for me too | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | Cool | 14:11 |
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| krotscheck | Moving on | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP Status | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | Last topic? | 14:11 |
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| krotscheck | woot | 14:11 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, so right now, we're blocked on neutron https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367529/ | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | Does anyone know any neutron cores that they can pester for reviews? | 14:11 |
| cardeois | I can check on my department if people know some | 14:12 |
| vkramskikh | I have 2 neutron cores in my line of sight, but they refuse to +2 the patch since they have no idea what it is doing :) | 14:12 |
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| cardeois | haha so does that mean we need to comment the code more to explain it? | 14:13 |
| vkramskikh | that propbably could help :) | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh: That's a little... disturbing, actually, when a core doesn't understand how their application is launched. | 14:13 |
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| krotscheck | vkramskikh: Ok, if I add more explanations on the commit message, can you pester them? | 14:14 |
| vkramskikh | obondarev: what could speed up the review? | 14:14 |
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| vkramskikh | krotscheck: yes I'll try | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh: Alright. | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck add better explanation on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367529/2 | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | Other MVP things: | 14:15 |
| obondarev | vkramskikh: the review can be promoted during Neutron weekly irc meeting :P | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | I created two patches which attempt to recheck for the versions resource if a 401 is encountered from the service-catalog provided URL | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | obondarev: When is that? | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369821/ | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | ^^ The one that rechecks when a 401 is encountered. | 14:16 |
| obondarev | krotscheck: every other Monday 21 UTC, every other Tuesday 14 UTC | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | obondarev: THe next one is... monday? | 14:17 |
| obondarev | krotscheck: next is Tuesday Sep 20 14 UTC | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | Oi, 6AM on a tuesday. | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | ALright | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | Anyone not-westcoastish care to volunteer to attend that meeting? | 14:18 |
| vkramskikh | I'll attend | 14:18 |
| krotscheck | Thank you, vkramskikh. | 14:18 |
| obondarev | krotscheck: sorry, the next will be Monday Sep 19, 21 UTC | 14:19 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, that one's 2PM | 14:19 |
| krotscheck | Probably better if I go to that, ok vkramskikh? | 14:19 |
| vkramskikh | krotscheck: fine, I suddenly recalled that I'll have surgery on monday :) | 14:20 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Attend the neutron meeting at 2100 UTC next monday to advocate for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367529/ | 14:20 |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh: Surgery? Finally having an RJ45 connector implanted, eh? | 14:20 |
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| krotscheck | (Seriously though- hope it goes well). | 14:20 |
| vkramskikh | haha :) no, just some minor issues with my nose :) | 14:21 |
| krotscheck | Well, best of luck then! | 14:21 |
| vkramskikh | thanks :) | 14:21 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, so after being unblocked on neutron, cardeois's patch should pass the gate. I'm currenly working on nova, which (with better version detection) works now, but I need to flesh out the tests. | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck land Nova.flavorList | 14:22 |
| cardeois | Yeah and on my side I need to implement neutronList | 14:22 |
| cardeois | networkList sorry | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: You may be able to make progress if you manually modify neutron's paste.ini file to take my changes. | 14:23 |
| krotscheck | If you have time | 14:23 |
| krotscheck | Else, wait until monday? | 14:23 |
| cardeois | Well node test can still work so I'm not blocked right now | 14:23 |
| cardeois | It just blocks the gates | 14:24 |
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| krotscheck | Oh, sweet. | 14:24 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, those are the remaining pieces then. After that it's all documentation. | 14:24 |
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| krotscheck | Oh wait, no. We need instanceCreate | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | I'll put that on the backlog. | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | ANything else on MVP? ELse I'll move to Open Discussion | 14:24 |
| vkramskikh | I've put one more topic to the agenda | 14:25 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Usage of js-openstack-lib in Fuel PoC (vkramskikh) | 14:25 |
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| krotscheck | The floor's yours! | 14:25 |
| vkramskikh | today is HCF for Fuel 9.1, so I'll have more time for js-openstack-lib | 14:26 |
| vkramskikh | and I want to try to use its keystone client in Fuel | 14:26 |
| vkramskikh | just to see how it works and probably provide some feedback | 14:26 |
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| vkramskikh | I'll try to implement PoC by the next meeting | 14:26 |
| vkramskikh | that's all from my side | 14:26 |
| cardeois | awesome ! | 14:27 |
| msmol | agreed, a real user, amazing! | 14:27 |
| Zara | :) | 14:27 |
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| krotscheck | SWESOME | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | Woot real users. | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | Ok, open discussion! | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 14:27 |
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| krotscheck | Hey, everyone, let's track our work in StoryBoard! Usage of js-openstack-lib in Fuel PoC (vkramskikh) | 14:28 |
| krotscheck | oops | 14:28 |
| Zara | hahaha :) | 14:28 |
| krotscheck | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/844 | 14:28 |
| Zara | nice | 14:28 |
| krotscheck | Wrong item in paste buffer | 14:28 |
| * msmol openly admits he feels bad he hasn't had much time to contribute to the project lately | 14:28 | |
| msmol | I'll try to at least be more active in doing reviews | 14:29 |
| cardeois | Good idea so should create a story for MVP with subtasks? | 14:29 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: Yes, can yo udo that? | 14:29 |
| cardeois | (e.g. neutron, nova etc) | 14:29 |
| cardeois | I can | 14:29 |
| cardeois | and I will | 14:29 |
| krotscheck | I'm noticing that as I start to work on a new project, my ability to keep track of OpenStack things in my brain is diminishing. | 14:29 |
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| krotscheck | StoryBoard makes for a nice shared brain | 14:30 |
| Zara | heh, I also use it as a place to put all the things I can then instantly forget about. | 14:30 |
| cardeois | I also have a detail to talk about, but it annoys me sorry. About code style, I've noticed that we have methods in classes written in 2 different ways: `name ()` and `name()` , notice the space. Some reviews did refactor the former to the later, some other did the opposite, so I'd like to clear things out on that point | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | ok, anything else? | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | oh? | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | Ah. Hrm. | 14:31 |
| cardeois | example: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369821/1/src/util/abstract_service.js | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | I have no preference. | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | We can add a linting rule to enforce that. | 14:32 |
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| cardeois | Yeah I'd like that | 14:32 |
| cardeois | I can try to do that too | 14:32 |
| krotscheck | http://eslint.org/docs/rules/space-before-function-paren | 14:32 |
| msmol | I prefer `name()` but I prefer consistency over everything else so, yeah whatever, linting rule either way would be great | 14:32 |
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| cardeois | Anybody else as a preference? (mine being `name()` too) | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: That should be fairly straightforward. Does anyone have a major beef with proposing that to eslint-config-openstack too? | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | #action cardeois define a linting rule for space-before-function-parens. | 14:34 |
| larainema | I have no preference, linting rule is my following | 14:34 |
| cardeois | Ok so I add that to eslint-config-openstack or I start with our project first? | 14:34 |
| krotscheck | cardeois, msmol: Y'all are the only ones who care enough. Go ahead and add it to js-openstack-lib, and see if you can build the necessary consensus for eslint-config-openstack. | 14:34 |
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| cardeois | sure | 14:34 |
| krotscheck | Cool, anything else? | 14:35 |
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| msmol | all good in the hood over here | 14:36 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, thanks everyone! | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 14:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 14:36:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-09-14-14.00.html | 14:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-09-14-14.00.txt | 14:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-09-14-14.00.log.html | 14:36 |
| cardeois | thanks, bye ! | 14:37 |
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| Zara | thanks, sorry I can't give this more attention | 14:37 |
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| Zara | come on down, to the storyboard meeting! | 15:00 |
| Zara | who do we have today? | 15:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 15:00 |
| Zara | hey there! | 15:00 |
| Zara | congrats, you get to chair | 15:00 |
| * Zara runs away | 15:01 | |
| pleia2 | o/ | 15:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 15:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
| SotK | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 15:01 |
| SotK | that appears to be out of date | 15:01 |
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| Zara | yeahhh, sorry | 15:01 |
| Zara | I was thinking about the bugsquash and forgot about it | 15:02 |
| SotK | there, fixed it (I think) | 15:02 |
| Zara | nice | 15:02 |
| SotK | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
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| SotK | We merged the complex priorities UI for stories at long last | 15:03 |
| Zara | \\\o/// | 15:03 |
| Zara | fiiiiiiiiiinally | 15:03 |
| SotK | #info the complex priorities UI for stories was merged | 15:04 |
| Zara | that patch series has been on my review dash for too long | 15:04 |
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| Zara | I'm happy to explain it to folks; going to send out an ML post once we've had a chance to catch any strange bugs | 15:04 |
| Zara | that will inevitably pop up when more people use it | 15:04 |
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| fungi | oh, i also saw one merge about behavior for logged-out sessions? is that the fix i think it is? | 15:05 |
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| bkero | o/ | 15:05 |
| Zara | hm, I doubt it, since that was a bug we introduced that evening and fixed the same night | 15:05 |
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| fungi | (for the long-standing bug where you got several errors when returning to the webui after your session had timed out) | 15:06 |
| fungi | oh, got it | 15:06 |
| Zara | yeah, sorry, that's a different one | 15:06 |
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| fungi | ahh, eventually ;) | 15:06 |
| Zara | the fix merged stopped some buttons from appearing when a user was logged out | 15:06 |
| fungi | but excited for the prioritization feature | 15:06 |
| Zara | since those were buttons for editing things and soforth | 15:06 |
| Zara | and yay! | 15:06 |
| Zara | (I really do want to fix that timeouts thing, argh) | 15:07 |
| Zara | okay, shall I do the complex priorities explanation-in-progress in discussion in a bit? | 15:07 |
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| Zara | that way folks can ask questions | 15:08 |
| fungi | sounds great | 15:08 |
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| SotK | indeed, sounds good to me | 15:08 |
| SotK | there are no more announcements or urgent items, so lets move on | 15:08 |
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| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:08 |
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| SotK | I'm working on being able to set permissions for teams in private stories instead of just for users | 15:09 |
| SotK | this should make that feature somewhat more useful | 15:09 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/368917 | 15:09 |
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| Zara | and I'm testing that atm | 15:10 |
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| Zara | so far I've managed to make sotk cry steadily all morning as I find bugs, so I'm counting this as a good day | 15:10 |
| Zara | I've been mainly reviewing, and doing some misc documentation (I thought I'd already done some system config docs, but apparently hadn't) | 15:11 |
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| Zara | that is | 15:12 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368797/ | 15:12 |
| Zara | other things have gone in; I plan to continue updating the docs for (and coverage of) the python client | 15:12 |
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| Zara | and misc ui fixes for the new tasks layout | 15:12 |
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| Zara | but teams review is my top priority right now. | 15:13 |
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| Zara | I think that's all I have | 15:13 |
| fungi | i'm sorry i haven't had time to review/test the permissions stuff. i expect tristanC has also been busy as he moved recently | 15:13 |
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| fungi | i know he was planning to help test a lot of that | 15:14 |
| Zara | yeah, atm it's all in the api so I think it'll be easier to ask around for reviews when we have a UI for it | 15:14 |
| * SotK is working on that bit :) | 15:15 | |
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| Zara | (so so far I've been testing for, say, 'does this break search?' but not 'is this easy to use?') | 15:15 |
| Zara | and thank you so much, SotK. | 15:16 |
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| fungi | sounds good | 15:16 |
| fungi | thanks for working on all that | 15:16 |
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| fungi | i'm looking forward to being able to use it for embargoed vulnerability reports | 15:17 |
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| Zara | \o/ | 15:19 |
| SotK | Anything else in progress? | 15:19 |
| Zara | I don't think so, although I just realised | 15:20 |
| Zara | I don't think we announced that matthewbodkin had made tags reusable at the end of last week | 15:20 |
| Zara | so yeah, StoryBoard should now suggest tags. | 15:20 |
| Zara | that is, suggest existing tags, when you add a tag | 15:21 |
| fungi | ooh, "suggest" how? like with some sort of ai based on content analysis? | 15:21 |
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| Zara | it does a browse on the string you're typing and matches it against tag titles | 15:22 |
| Zara | #link https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/#!/story/32 | 15:22 |
| fungi | got it. so when making a new tag name from scratch, it does (typeahead?) recommendation for already existing tag names | 15:22 |
| Zara | yeah | 15:22 |
| fungi | cool | 15:22 |
| Zara | I was about to say 'try typing 'l' there and see what happens!' | 15:22 |
| Zara | fairly standard but we were missing it before | 15:22 |
| fungi | the "recommend tags for your story" ai did seem a but far-fetched ;) | 15:22 |
| fungi | s/but/bit/ | 15:23 |
| Zara | yeah, hey, maybe one day! :D | 15:23 |
| SotK | far-fetched, but would be great :) | 15:23 |
| Zara | look at that sotk volunteering | 15:23 |
| fungi | maybe some day, bauesian analysis plugin | 15:23 |
| fungi | er, bayesian | 15:23 |
| Zara | I want storyboard to make my coffee | 15:23 |
| Zara | I don't even drink coffee but I want it to do that | 15:23 |
| * fungi upvotes storyboard dog-flosser feature | 15:24 | |
| Zara | yes! I thought we'd never get consensus on that! | 15:24 |
| bkero | There's a standard for that. https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt | 15:24 |
| bkero | (the cofee pot, probably not dog-flossing) | 15:24 |
| bkero | coffee* | 15:24 |
| Zara | :D | 15:24 |
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| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:25 |
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| fungi | error 418 was always my favorite | 15:25 |
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| pleia2 | hehe | 15:25 |
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| Zara | so, I offered to give a quick explanation of the complex priorities implementation... | 15:26 |
| fungi | please do | 15:26 |
| Zara | okay! | 15:26 |
| Zara | so, here is a story with plenty of tasks: | 15:26 |
| Zara | #link https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/#!/story/32 | 15:26 |
| Zara | and here is a worklist: | 15:26 |
| Zara | #link https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/#!/worklist/41 | 15:26 |
| Zara | if you subscribe to the worklist... | 15:27 |
| Zara | when you browse to a story containing tasks from that worklist... | 15:27 |
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| Zara | those tasks, and their position in the worklist, will be listed in the top right | 15:27 |
| fungi | ooh, yeah the "show items" drop-down there? | 15:28 |
| Zara | so that you can see a) who cares about the task (based on which worklist it is) and b) how much they care (position in the worklist) | 15:28 |
| Zara | yep | 15:28 |
| fungi | it's not in the top-right for me, but it is near the top anyway | 15:28 |
| Zara | huh, guessing it's a screen-size-variation thing | 15:28 |
| pleia2 | ah, neat | 15:29 |
| Zara | (that's a reason we haven't documented the gui extensively, the other is that it often changes) | 15:29 |
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| Zara | so our thought is that this way, people can say how much a task matters to *them*, sidestepping the whole 'should this be high or medium or low' priority | 15:29 |
| fungi | yeah, ui "documentation" is usually better as in-interface context help | 15:29 |
| Zara | yep | 15:29 |
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| Zara | then people can decide whose priorities they care about | 15:30 |
| Zara | and as fungi pointed out a few weeks ago, a nice side effect is that while a billion items can be 'high' priority, only one can be at the top of a list | 15:30 |
| fungi | that's cool, and does i think go along with ttx's prioritization vision if memory serves | 15:30 |
| Zara | which means that if someone wants to bump the priority of one task | 15:30 |
| Zara | they immediately see how it affects the others | 15:30 |
| fungi | ttx: if you're seeing this later, i expect you'll like/have input on this bit | 15:31 |
| Zara | so, we've juggled some things around in the task list to make room for an 'add to worklist' button, in order to assign priority | 15:32 |
| Zara | if you click the little arrows next to tasks | 15:32 |
| Zara | those will give more options (and we now use projects to group tasks in stories) | 15:32 |
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| Zara | those buttons are very new and that's something I'm hoping to tidy | 15:33 |
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| Zara | anyone who's listed as a 'user' of a worklist can add/remove/move items in that worklist | 15:35 |
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| Zara | so, I'm very interested in folks trying it out and seeing what happens! you can turn on notifications for changes in worklists at the bottom of the 'profile' menu | 15:37 |
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| Zara | (we kept them separate to general email notifications so people who didn't want them wouldn't get spammed) | 15:37 |
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| pleia2 | thanks Zara | 15:38 |
| Zara | hopefully that made some amount of sense... | 15:38 |
| * SotK has nothing to add to it that immediately comes to mind :) | 15:38 | |
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| Zara | I'll add that SotK is the one who has implemented it, and I've mainly just hovered around moaning and asking him to move buttons. | 15:39 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 15:39 |
| Zara | I guess I've sometimes checked that it works. | 15:40 |
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| fungi | i can see this being extra useful to teams like nova which need to prioritize stuff going into release | 15:41 |
| fungi | infra likely wouldn't use it quite as much since we tend to have a more scattered set of priorities and ongoing activities, but i'll keep an eye out for places where it would be useful for us | 15:42 |
| Zara | I hope so; it's possible to add a task to any number of worklists so teams with different focuses can subscribe to different ones | 15:42 |
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| Zara | *teams on the same project with different focuses | 15:42 |
| fungi | right, that seems super flexible, and i'm betting it will get leveraged in a number of ways we haven't thought of | 15:42 |
| SotK | hopefully | 15:43 |
| Zara | yeah, at this point I'm curious to see what happens with it. | 15:43 |
| Zara | I think I need to do a bunch of explaining to make sure it's used at all | 15:43 |
| Zara | but after that, it will be interesting | 15:43 |
| Zara | and since it's possible to make a private worklist, it should be possible to integrate it with more sensitive things, though maybe we'll find some odd bugs around permissions. | 15:44 |
| Zara | (that's always where the odd bugs turn up) | 15:44 |
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| Zara | that's all from me unless anyone has any questions etc? | 15:46 |
| fungi | this would be a great time for people preparing to start the infra bugday to ask storyboard-specific questions | 15:47 |
| fungi | (i'm useless and have none, but hopefully others are more on point than i am) | 15:47 |
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| pleia2 | I don't have any either, but the last bug day was in April, any notable things we should keep an eye out for? | 15:48 |
| Zara | I think the biggest thing is the change to the tasks UI. | 15:48 |
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| * pleia2 nods | 15:49 | |
| Zara | though all the options should be the same (excepting priority), they've just moved around a bit. | 15:49 |
| persia | Also, prioritisation: in the last bug day, some tasks were marked with priority, whereas now things to be done in a hurry should be added to a worklist (or a set of worklists, depending). | 15:49 |
| pleia2 | I'm also going to keep an eye on how good of a job we've been doing on actually using tasks... I haven't been using them much myself :\ | 15:49 |
| * fungi observes that "any notable things we should keep an eye out for?" is actually one more question than he had | 15:49 | |
| pleia2 | fungi: I thought about it halfway through writing my words! | 15:49 |
| pleia2 | I don't have questions actually here's one | 15:49 |
| persia | Oh, and the gerrit integration landed, so folk fixing tasks might mark up commit messages to automatically update storyboard. | 15:50 |
| pleia2 | persia: oh yes, that's exciting | 15:50 |
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| * persia blames zaro | 15:50 | |
| pleia2 | yay zaro and Zara | 15:50 |
| Zara | oh yeah, there's a page for worklists and boards now, so they're a bit easier to find | 15:50 |
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| Zara | aaaand I've just remembered I forgot to add subscriptions buttons on that page | 15:51 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:52 |
| fungi | great point. we should make sure to start using task numbers in our commit messages | 15:52 |
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| Zara | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#working-on-bugs | 15:53 |
| Zara | ^ syntax for storyboard is now also documented there | 15:53 |
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| SotK | 5 minutes left for any remaining questions | 15:55 |
| clarkb | is it talking to production gerrit now too? | 15:55 |
| SotK | it is | 15:55 |
| Zara | yep! | 15:55 |
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| fungi | for anyone wanting to work on improving that section of the manual, it could still use a little additional explanation on the difference between tasks and stories | 15:55 |
| fungi | and particularly the behavior difference between linking one or the other (or both?) | 15:55 |
| Zara | oh yes, sorry, I think you did say in review | 15:55 |
| pleia2 | stories have tasks | 15:55 |
| pleia2 | so a patch could just be completing a task, but not the whole story | 15:55 |
| fungi | right, more like explaining when you would want to link one vs the other | 15:56 |
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| Zara | yeah, linking the task changes the task status, and mentioning the story will mean there's a nice link to the story in gerrit | 15:56 |
| pleia2 | makes it a bit more grandular than just Partial-bug: | 15:56 |
| Zara | *really* mentioning the task should also link to the story | 15:56 |
| Zara | but it's tougher to do. | 15:56 |
| Zara | (er, there I'm talking about ideal behaviour, not what it currently does) | 15:57 |
| Zara | (I realised that was ambiguous, sorry) | 15:57 |
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| Zara | so for now I'd say it's best to note both | 15:57 |
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| pleia2 | ah, noted | 15:57 |
| fungi | a few sentences might make it clearer to readers coming from our lp conventions how to map their old workflows to storyboard | 15:57 |
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| Zara | yep | 15:58 |
| Zara | I should get there sometime this week, prod me if I go quiet about it | 15:58 |
| fungi | (and could also highlight where/how sb is more flexible and offers better granularity than the earlier method) | 15:59 |
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| fungi | looks like it's about sprint time | 15:59 |
| SotK | yep | 15:59 |
| Zara | hehe | 15:59 |
| * fungi goes and updates topics in places | 15:59 | |
| SotK | time is up! | 15:59 |
| Zara | :) | 15:59 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 15:59:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
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| SotK | thanks all :) | 16:00 |
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| Zara | thanks! | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting CInder | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 16:01:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| erlon | hey! | 16:01 |
| Swanson | Hello. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: :P | 16:01 |
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| mtanino | hi | 16:01 |
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| jgriffith | howdy | 16:02 |
| kfarr | hi | 16:02 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:02 |
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| patrickeast | Hey | 16:02 |
| baumann | Hello all | 16:02 |
| gouthamr-afk | Hey | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| hemna | yough | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | RC1 deadline is here. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | I'll submit the request tomorrow. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | There's a few things I would like to try to get in before then. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | I think I only have until tomorrow afternoon though. Then we will have to look at an RC2. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Which is pretty much inevitable, but good to limit what goes in there. ;) | 16:04 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: do we have a list of issues for RC1? | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Bugs are targeted for RC1. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | I can create an RC2 milestone so we can target things to that as well. | 16:04 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: thanks! I'll take a look on reviews tomorrow morning | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Thanks! | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | It's also hard string freeze after this point. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | So we need to be more strict about allowing translatable string changes through. | 16:05 |
| dulek | #link https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/newton-rc1 | 16:05 |
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| dulek | 4 more patches. :) | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | I'd rather have a bug fixed than have a properly translated error. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Thanks! | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | OK, forward looking now. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | We need to plan for the design summit. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | The final design summit at that. :] | 16:06 |
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| hemna | bleh | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #info Start thinking of design summit topics | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cinder-designsummit-planning Planning etherpad | 16:06 |
| stevemar | o/ | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Please feel free to add any and all topics to that etherpad. | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | We have 4 fishbowls and 4 working rooms. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | One less wr than last time. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Also the meetup on Friday is compressed, so rather than a full day we just have half a day. | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | So if you havent already booked travel, please try to stick around through the whole day. | 16:08 |
| hemna | which means half a day for beer. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:08 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna +1 | 16:08 |
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| bswartz | smcginnis: is the space allocation official? | 16:08 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: the friday meetup is in the afternoon, right | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Good point. These are proposed allocations. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | This could potentially change. | 16:08 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: Yes, I believe so. | 16:08 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: +@ | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: +2 | 16:09 |
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| dulek | Given how meetup went in Austin, half a day may actually be a good idea. | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: I agree. I think that should be fine. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | We're usually kind of toast by that point anyway. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #topic Proprietary libs for drivers | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | dulek: ++ | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | So last week we started discussing the use of "third party" code in Cinder. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-brick-driver-externals Tracking etherpad | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | I think this is actually going to be a broader cross project discussion at the summit. | 16:10 |
| hemna | good | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Some good research in that etherpad. I didn't really get as much time as I wanted to look through our drivers. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Agreed. Good to get broad agreement on this. | 16:11 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: I'll be surprised if the list is so short:) | 16:11 |
| hemna | fwiw, the brick connectors aren't using proprietary 3rd party python libraries | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | I think bottom line, we probably aren't going to make any policy changes right now until we have that cross project discussion. | 16:12 |
| hemna | they are using proprietary binaries that they call out | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | hemna: OK, good! | 16:12 |
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| hemna | so, it still doesn't work unless the deployer installs those tools | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | xyang2: I am surprised it is that short. | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | sad | 16:12 |
| hemna | so it still hurts helion, redhat, etc | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | GPL binaries != proprietary though (I didn't get time to investigate them all) | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | We'll probably need to clearly define what's OK (compiled vs scripted/interpreted) as well as just general requirements for some systems. | 16:13 |
| xyang2 | I think we need to make distinction on libs that need to be imported and other things that does not need to be imported | 16:13 |
| hemna | DuncanT, yah, it's really only 3 of em | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Oh good, you're here. | 16:13 |
| xyang2 | jungleboyj: that can't be a complete list | 16:13 |
| bswartz | I'm sure the list is longer than that, it seems to be a work in progress | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: for a while, yes | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Yes, I think that list is just a start. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | So for the purposes of this meeting I think for now it's just awareness. If anyone has time to spend looking into this, please update that etherpad with anything you find. | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | If anybody knows the answer for their driver (including library) then it's worth adding | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | We're just at the data collection stage for this. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | I won't take up too much time on this today since we still need to gather data. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #topic Testing the upcoming release | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Hey | 16:15 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: the dependencies of the NetApp driver are going to be complicated to explain, because they're optional | 16:15 |
| scottda | hi | 16:15 |
| scottda | I was noticing that dulek was testing upgrades... | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: We are actively working the XIV issue. Just FYI. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-newton-testing Test area tracking | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Thanks | 16:15 |
| scottda | and I thought "This is great. Someone should do things like test stuff .." | 16:16 |
| * dulek tested that they're almost in a working state. ;) | 16:16 | |
| smcginnis | scottda: ;) | 16:16 |
| scottda | But we never really know what is being tested, and by whom. We just hope. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Fair statement I think. | 16:16 |
| bswartz | the right time to test stuff is actually the last 2 weeks... | 16:16 |
| scottda | So, maybe at some point (even earlier in the release) we should document what should be tested, and whom might be doing it. | 16:17 |
| bswartz | if you're testing at this point you're a bit late to the game | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Not sure how much we can still do for Newton, but if we can get some focus on areas that would be good. | 16:17 |
| scottda | bswartz: Right,i just got the idea a bit late... | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | One of the things I would like to see for Ocata is having it be more testing and stabilization focused. | 16:17 |
| scottda | so maybe for O release, we just think about things that aren't covered will in automated testing, or we know is falling into the gaps.. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | So if I'm still PTL, I'll adopt this etherpad idea for O so we can try to get some good coverage. | 16:17 |
| scottda | smcginnis: ++ to that idea. | 16:18 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, +1 | 16:18 |
| bswartz | smcginnis: the shortness of Ocata might make that an absolute necessity | 16:18 |
| scottda | Was that a thinly-veiled campaign promise? | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. | 16:18 |
| hemna | thinly ? | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | If elected, I promise to... :) | 16:18 |
| jseiler_ | Will you promise us free testing? | 16:18 |
| hemna | smcginnis, how big are your hands? do you have pneumonia? | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | jseiler_: A ham in every oven. | 16:19 |
| * bswartz rofl | 16:19 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:19 |
| scottda | Anyway, there's the etherpad. It is a bit late to talk about testing at this point. But it seemed like a good idea to start tracking this stuff. Like we would probably be doing at our own companies.. | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: +1 Thanks for bringing that up. | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | Mmmm, not had ham for ages | 16:19 |
| scottda | np. Thanks. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Hah! | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: NOOOOO!!! They never keep their promises. ;-) | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | #topic Major RPC API version bumps | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: You're up | 16:20 |
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| dulek | Okay, so you've probably noticed all these FIXME(dulek): Remove in RPC API 3.0. | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | I like how that reads, FIXME(dulek) :) | 16:21 |
| dulek | ;> | 16:22 |
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| dulek | In early Newton we've got rid of them by bumping major RPC API versions of all RPC APIs. | 16:22 |
| dulek | This is a quite big change, with some risk. | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | What are the risks? | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Some risk, but it should be fairly obvious if we messed it up right away, right? | 16:23 |
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| dulek | smcginnis, DuncanT: Exactly, that wouldn't be 100% tested in the gate | 16:23 |
| dulek | And manual testing sometimes fails. ;) | 16:23 |
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| dulek | If anyone is very bugged by all of these compatibility shims, then I can work to get changes bumping major versions up before a release tomorrow. | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: Any reason to wait? | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | Dulek: given we're likely to need others, having since examples around isn't necessarily bad | 16:24 |
| dulek | But I thought that if Ocata is a short cycle, then we can live a few more months with these shims still in place and get that done in Ocata. | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | Got to go, sorry | 16:25 |
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| xyang2 | dulek: why bumping the RPC API version so late has lower risk? | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Thanks! | 16:25 |
| hemna | bump it early in the O cycle and see what happens | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | hemna, dulek: If there's some concern about doing this, that might be the right answer. | 16:26 |
| dulek | smcginnis: Major RPC version bump is a change that anyone upgrading trunk-to-trunk needs to upgrade to before going further, so they're a little unconvinient for operators. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Agreed. | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | Then we can have the whole (limited) cycle to find issues. | 16:26 |
| hemna | yah that makes sense to me | 16:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds like a good plan to me | 16:26 |
| dulek | hemna: Early O won't actually work. ;) | 16:26 |
| dulek | Let me find the actual change from late Mitaka and early Newton. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | I agree. | 16:27 |
| hemna | uhh ? | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Some documented shims are not the end of the world. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | dulek: Why not? | 16:27 |
| dulek | hemna: That's late Mitaka: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283072/ | 16:27 |
| dulek | hemna: It complicates the manager code - manager can handle both 1.x and 2.0 | 16:28 |
| dulek | And this is early Newton change: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297699/ | 16:28 |
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| hemna | so we are now setting ourselves up for only allowing these types of changes right at the end of the release?! | 16:28 |
| hemna | !! | 16:28 |
| openstack | hemna: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:28 |
| hemna | no really...!! | 16:28 |
| hemna | :) | 16:28 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:29 |
| hemna | anyway, this scares me | 16:29 |
| dulek | This one actually cleans everything up, so Newton development is free of the technical debt of compatibility stuff. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | I think !! should be a bot macro to paste a table flip. | 16:29 |
| dulek | hemna: Weeeell, I've just did it like Nova does with n-cpu. | 16:29 |
| hemna | smcginnis, :) | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | !! | 16:29 |
| openstack | jungleboyj: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | A barfight ensues | 16:30 |
| dulek | They're doing same thing in RC target week. | 16:30 |
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| hemna | :( | 16:30 |
| dulek | (that's why their release is on "Thursday evening, Dan Smith time" ;)) | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: So when do you think is the best for us to do this? Right before RC1? Or as part of an RC2? | 16:30 |
| dulek | RC2 can never happen, so if we really want to clean up technical debt now, we should do it in RC1. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | RC2 can never happen? | 16:31 |
| dulek | smcginnis: If there are no high or critical issues, then why would it? :P | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: it's possible we never need an RC2 | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: perfect world | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: I think we've almost always done an RC2 (or RC3) due to last minute requirement changes, translation strings, etc. | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Nah, perfect world we just cut the final branch and move on. :P | 16:33 |
| Swanson | sun comes up every day for billions of years. eventually you expect it. there'll be an rc2. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: dulek FWIW I'm not comfortable bumping major number during RC releases | 16:33 |
| dulek | My point was - you can see doing the change is constrained, a little difficult and Nova also isn't doing them always. So if we're fine with the presence of compatibility shims through Ocata, I would do it a release later. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: tomorrow could be *the* dark day | 16:33 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:33 |
| hemna | that stuff shouldn't be done at that stage of the release | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: That is a dark though. | 16:34 |
| hemna | way too much risk IMHO | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | *thought | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: how much do we gain from doing the bump now? | 16:34 |
| bswartz | smcginnis: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000726 | 16:34 |
| e0ne | I still doesn't understand why we want to merge such risky patch after feature freeze | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | dulek: I mean... how much esier is it going to make my life? | 16:34 |
| e0ne | s/doesn't/don't | 16:34 |
| xyang2 | hemna: sounds odd to me a major version bump needs to happen so late in the cycle rather than in the beginning | 16:34 |
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| hemna | xyang2, +1 | 16:35 |
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| dulek | jgriffith: Getting rid of these https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/f6c20ed00b9febaea42ac34d2988c1cf6c883b10/cinder/scheduler/rpcapi.py#L111-L114 | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: LOL! That's awesome! | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | dulek: I do kinda like that | 16:36 |
| bswartz | +1 for waiting until ocata for major version bump | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | dulek: getting rid of those | 16:36 |
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| hemna | lol | 16:36 |
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| dulek | xyang1, hemna: If we're doing it at the beginning, then we need to live with manager accepting 2.x *and* 3.x through the release. | 16:36 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: and if it's the very first change in Ocata, we add some complication to any potential backporting right? | 16:36 |
| dulek | xyang1, hemna: As people will upgrade Newton->Ocata. | 16:36 |
| hemna | dulek, I think that's far less risky | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Nice! I like that I was the example. | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | dulek: ok, you've convinced me | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | dulek: my vote is submit the patch today or tomorrow. :) | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | "we need to live with manager accepting 2.x *and* 3.x through the release" Today or tomorrow would be my vote if this is the case. | 16:38 |
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| dulek | smcginnis: That's only if we would do it early in Ocata. ;) | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: Right. So I'm saying to avoid that, let's do it now. | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith | so I was concerned about a bump like that during RC, but I'm less concerned with that than dealing with the burden of multiple version monkey biz for another full release | 16:39 |
| dulek | smcginnis: Okay, I'll work double time to get the patches up. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: +1 | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | phew | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Thank you! :) | 16:39 |
| dulek | Well, then I'm glad I've asked for opinion of you all! Thank you! | 16:39 |
| hemna | I guess, do we eat a turd sandwich now or for 6 months.... | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: I get your point too... but I'd rather make this horse trade honestly. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Nice. | 16:39 |
| hemna | sucks either way. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Hah, one way to put it. :) | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | hemna: nahh... it's going to go beautifully without a hitch | 16:40 |
| hemna | jgriffith, we are quoting you on that one! :P | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | we need to break the cycle of "half in half out" in so many places | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | hemna: He does have horses to trade! | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | objects, rpc, api-versions etc | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | everything is "half" | 16:40 |
| dulek | BTW some info: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/RpcMajorVersionUpdates#Mixed_version_environments_.28nova-compute.29 | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Fix it all in Ocata! :) | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: I'd love that | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | dulek: OK, anything else? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: READ MY LIPS... "NO NEW FEATURES" | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:41 |
| dulek | smcginnis: No, thank you. Link above is for anyone willing to understand the topic better. :) | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | most of you probably aren't even old enough to know what I'm quoting there | 16:41 |
| dulek | jgriffith: +1! | 16:42 |
| xyang2 | dulek: do we need another major bump at the end of next release? | 16:42 |
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| hemna | dulek, is this going to be a recurring theme every release? | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Does that mean I get to start a Star Wars program? | 16:42 |
| scottda | A Broken campaign promise? | 16:42 |
| hemna | jgriffith, heh | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: ha! Yayyy for history! | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | Yay for being old! :D | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: it has it's perks | 16:42 |
| dulek | xyang1, hemna: Depends on how much compatibility code we're introducing. I don't see a reason to do that if we have one or two shims in rpcapi and manager. | 16:42 |
| hemna | smcginnis, as long as the laser beams are installed on sharks. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: True! | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | hemna: ;) | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I love lasers! | 16:43 |
| bswartz | hemna: I found this (for Friday) http://www.driftwoodjournals.com/10-best-craft-beer-bars-in-barcelona-an-inside-guide/ | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Just don't point them in your good eye. oO | 16:43 |
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| dulek | hemna, xyang1: It's like… Backwards compatibility is hard only if we're changing. ;)_ | 16:43 |
| hemna | bswartz, now that's an important topic | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Always working on the things that really count! :D | 16:44 |
| diablo_rojo | bswartz Nice work. | 16:44 |
| dulek | Ooooh, someone told me there's one huge multitap pub in Barcelona. | 16:44 |
| xyang2 | dulek: ok, thanks:) | 16:44 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else for today? | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Nice! Good sign they have that. Won't be stuck with Wine like in Paris. :-) | 16:45 |
| hemna | man, a city in europe that actually has beer. | 16:45 |
| dulek | bswartz: This is also promising: http://www.ratebeer.com/p/biercab-barcelona/38780/ ;) | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | hemna: We should go to Germany next time. | 16:45 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 16:45 |
| scottda | Next Design Summit is in Akron, Ohio | 16:45 |
| dulek | hemna: Gdansk or Wroclaw works too if you'll happen to be in Poland. ;) | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Akron? I thought it was Atlanta? | 16:45 |
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| smcginnis | PTG | 16:45 |
| scottda | I was joking. I didn't know it was even decided. | 16:46 |
| hemna | scottda, just as long as it's not in Utah...no alcohol on Sundays. | 16:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah its Atlanta | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Hah! Yeah, I think I heard Atlanta is set. | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | scottda: Pennsylvania I tihnk | 16:46 |
| hemna | crap, really back to Atlanta ? | 16:46 |
| xyang2 | hemna: at least it is February | 16:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Yep. Atlanta for the first PTG | 16:46 |
| bswartz | hemna: it will be in February though so not quite as hot | 16:46 |
| hemna | ah ok | 16:46 |
| tbarron | easy to fly there, just don't try to drive | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | wait... what? | 16:47 |
| dulek | xyang2: Isn't it snowing there in February? | 16:47 |
| tbarron | once you are there | 16:47 |
| xyang2 | dulek: no | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | didn't realize ya'll were being serious | 16:47 |
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| hemna | Atlanta had the worst summit food | 16:47 |
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| xyang2 | dulek: it is a warm place | 16:47 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: http://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | thanks bswartz | 16:47 |
| hemna | damn, where have I been | 16:47 |
| dulek | xyang2: Oh, pretty great then, I was scared by a conference in winter. :) | 16:47 |
| xyang2 | hemna: oh, we need how many hands to hold bowls? | 16:47 |
| hemna | xyang2, exactly | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | *Sigh* Atlanta. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | Hey, I didn't think it was _that_ bad. :) | 16:48 |
| diablo_rojo | dulek, If it was in MN in February, that would be cause for concern. | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: It was terrible. | 16:48 |
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| xyang2 | smcginnis: time to lose some weight:) | 16:48 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: it is so hot there, and we don't have enough food to eat | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: It would be good for character building. | 16:49 |
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| hemna | I don't see Atlanta on that page | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: I think I did at that summit. I was walking a few miles a day back and forth to my hotel. :) | 16:49 |
| hemna | I guess it's just not announced? | 16:49 |
| bswartz | hemna: start at the top | 16:49 |
| hemna | they should have picked FL | 16:49 |
| xyang2 | :) | 16:49 |
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| diablo_rojo | hemna, tweeted a week or so ago I think | 16:49 |
| bswartz | +1 for Florida | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | OK, I think we're past the point of productivity. Thanks everyone! | 16:49 |
| hemna | bswartz, reading is hard.... | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Up and down hills. It was good exercise. | 16:49 |
| diablo_rojo | https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 16:49 |
| dulek | hemna: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/102981.html | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | The Zika summit | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Poor Duncan was in the ghetto. | 16:50 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, LOL | 16:50 |
| hemna | smcginnis, :) | 16:50 |
| Swanson | florida? So you can die and show up on the FloridaMan twitter feed? | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 16:50:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-09-14-16.01.html | 16:50 |
| * jungleboyj shakes my head | 16:50 | |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-09-14-16.01.txt | 16:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-09-14-16.01.log.html | 16:50 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 17:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
| krtaylor | hi everyone - jlvillal asked me to host the meeting today, he has a conflict | 17:00 |
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| sambetts | o/ | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | not sure of the turnout we'll have, with the bug squash going on | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | but we can keep it short I guess | 17:01 |
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| mjturek | o/ | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | as always the agenda is here: | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:02 |
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| watanabe_isao | o/ | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | so lets get started | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 17:02 |
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| krtaylor | anyone have any? | 17:02 |
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| krtaylor | other than the bug squash is happening and please help if you have the bandwidth :) | 17:03 |
| sambetts | Bug Smash pad is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-bug-smash | 17:03 |
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| krtaylor | thanks sambetts | 17:04 |
| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-bug-smash | 17:04 |
| krtaylor | ok, well then next up is | 17:04 |
| krtaylor | #topic Multi-node testing | 17:04 |
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| krtaylor | Vasyl has been very busy | 17:05 |
| krtaylor | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103561.html | 17:05 |
| krtaylor | there are quite a few patch sets to review | 17:06 |
| krtaylor | great progress | 17:06 |
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| krtaylor | anything else to say here? | 17:07 |
| krtaylor | onward then | 17:07 |
| krtaylor | #topic 3rd Party CI | 17:07 |
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| watanabe_isao | I want to figure out one question. Is Newton dead line for 3rd party CI FF or FFE? And when is that, please? | 17:08 |
| krtaylor | I don't have any updates this week, busy with downstream work | 17:08 |
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| krtaylor | the spec says N FF | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/specs/not-implemented/third-party-ci.html | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | see Timeline | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | the last week of August | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 17:10 |
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| krtaylor | any other points? | 17:11 |
| watanabe_isao | krtaylor, thank you. | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | questions? | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | watanabe_isao, np | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | jroll you are up - removing tempest tests from tempest tree | 17:12 |
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| jroll | ah hey | 17:12 |
| jroll | uh | 17:12 |
| jroll | did I put this on the agenda? | 17:12 |
| jroll | :) | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 17:12 |
| jroll | so thiagop took this over | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | or someone did for you :) | 17:12 |
| jroll | afaik it's (mostly?) done | 17:12 |
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| jroll | but I don't have a link right now | 17:12 |
| jroll | also sorry I totally missed the start of this meeting :/ | 17:13 |
| jroll | btw, I have a patch to mark drivers unsupported https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369503/ | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | yes, forgot to mention that | 17:14 |
| jroll | watanabe_isao: I replied to your email that had that question, by the way. and had a question for you there :) | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369503/ | 17:14 |
| * krtaylor looks for a link to the tempest tests work | 17:14 | |
| * jroll too | 17:15 | |
| watanabe_isao | jroll, thank you. I can only see the mail in my office PC, and will reply to you tomorrow. | 17:15 |
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| jroll | watanabe_isao: no problem | 17:15 |
| jroll | krtaylor: there's a few patches without a common topic | 17:15 |
| jroll | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:thiagop%2540lsd.ufcg.edu.br+status:open | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | that'll work | 17:15 |
| jroll | :P | 17:15 |
| * jroll has nothing else to say | 17:16 | |
| krtaylor | anyone else? | 17:16 |
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| krtaylor | looks like another short meeting today | 17:17 |
| jroll | \o/ | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | so thanks everyone, go help with the bug squash | 17:17 |
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| jroll | thanks for hosting krtaylor ! | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 17:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 17:17:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-09-14-17.00.html | 17:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-09-14-17.00.txt | 17:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-09-14-17.00.log.html | 17:18 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 17:59:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 17:59 |
| bh526r | Hi guys | 17:59 |
| krenczewski | Hi | 17:59 |
| georgk | HI | 17:59 |
| roberttao | Hi Bin and All | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Welcome to our meeting | 18:00 |
| jinli | Hi everyone | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamil, Georg, Robert, Jin | 18:00 |
| bh526r | and everyone | 18:00 |
| jinli | #info Jin Li | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #topic Roll Call and Introduction | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call and Introduction (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | please #info your name | 18:01 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:01 |
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| tomhambleton | #info Tom Hambleton | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | Hi Tom | 18:01 |
| trevormc | o/ | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Trevor | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #info Bin followed up with Thierry for room allocation of our project meetup in Barcelona | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | #info Thierry said that the allocation is pretty full, but some teams have hinted that they may relinquish some of their allocation | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #info If that is the case, they could offer the space to non-official teams. They should know more about that in the coming week | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info Bin will follow up with Thierry next week for room allocation | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | #info Tricircle team in OpenStack wants to have a joint session with Gluon, primarily focus on Neutron Plugin because they are also use Neutron plugin for multisite scenarion | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info Bin thinks it is a good opportunity to make more friends in OpenStack, and Bin agrees to have a joint meeting with them in Bacelona | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info Details TBD | 18:06 |
| roberttao | What do I need to prepare if I participate the Barcelona Gluon session (besides maybe supporting the demo)? | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info And if Thierry cannot give us a room, we may ask Tricircle if they can spare us some time in their room, if they have a room | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | Robert, your progress in Neutron plugin or any other update you may have regarding setting up Gluon to work with ONOS | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | e.g. use ONOS as Gluon's backend | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin will give an update regarding room assignment next week | 18:09 |
| bh526r | that's all for admin update from my side | 18:10 |
| bh526r | any admin update from your side? | 18:10 |
| georgk | no | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #topic Tracking Progress of Gluon Development | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | Thank you Tom for your hard work. I see the code patch is pushed to Gerrit, although there is Jenkins failure | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | #info Tom pushed initial code patch to Gerrit. | 18:13 |
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| tomhambleton | I am going to work with Ian to get the jenkins errors resolved. Should not be a big effort | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #info There is Jenkins failure though, because the settings in OpenStack repo is different from our prior Github repo | 18:14 |
| bh526r | #info Tom is working with Ian to get Jenkins errors resolved as soon as possible | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | #info After Jenkins issues will be resolved, core will also review the code in Gerrit, and propose changes if any before it can be merged | 18:16 |
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| bh526r | #info Tom may also work on documenting what he has done, and install guide | 18:17 |
| bh526r | #info Ian also needs to work on devstack too | 18:17 |
| bh526r | Regarding database migration, I also see Niko pushed a patch | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | #info Niko pushed a patch of proposal of database migration | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | #info some reviews and comments were posted, and 2 +1's as of this morning | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | #info Good progress | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | #info Ian may have comments too, so let us wait for Ian to post his comments | 18:20 |
| bh526r | #info All core will continue to review it and post comments if any | 18:21 |
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| bh526r | #info we need to set up 2 milestones | 18:22 |
| bh526r | #info Milestone 1: Jenkins issues resolved and code merged. This is fundamental | 18:22 |
| bh526r | #info Milestone 2: Devstack integrated and get it to work with Gluon through Neutron plugin | 18:23 |
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| bh526r | Hopefully we can reach Milestone 1 by the end of this week | 18:23 |
| bh526r | Any other update/information from your side? | 18:24 |
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| bh526r | #topic Gluon Nova-Plugin BP | 18:26 |
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| bh526r | #info It still depends on Ian's action to fill in more details. | 18:27 |
| roberttao | I have set ONOS and devstack all-in-one running and trying to get proton to run with ONOS. Need some guidance to setup etcd. Tom's doc will help but if there is anyting earlier it would be great | 18:27 |
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| bh526r | #info postponed to next meeting | 18:27 |
| bh526r | #topic Round Table | 18:27 |
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| bh526r | #info Robert reported that he has set up ONOS and devstack all-in-one running | 18:28 |
| bh526r | Great news, thank you Robert | 18:28 |
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| bh526r | #info Robert is trying to get Gluon to run with ONOS | 18:28 |
| bh526r | #info Robert needs some guidance to set up etcd based on Tom's doc | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | #info Tom's etcd guide in etherpad is the only one doc we have for etcd | 18:30 |
| roberttao | #Help Any guidance even some of your installation/running scripts would be helpful:-) | 18:30 |
| krenczewski | Robert, I have some bash scripts to setup etcd on Ubuntu based systems | 18:30 |
| krenczewski | I don know if they would be useful to you, but it might be a good start | 18:31 |
| bh526r | #info Kamil will provide Robert with some bash scripts to set up etcd on Ubuntu systems | 18:31 |
| roberttao | Kamil, would you send to my email: btao98@gmail.com? Thanks | 18:31 |
| bh526r | Great Kamil, thank you for helping Robert | 18:31 |
| krenczewski | Ok, will do, tomorrow morning CEST time | 18:32 |
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| bh526r | Robert: anything else from your side, update, help, etc? | 18:32 |
| tomhambleton | For devstack, you can just run the etcd server locally. For multimode, look at: https://etherpad.opnfv.org/p/Gluon_Install_etcd | 18:33 |
| krenczewski | My scripts (if I remember correctly) covers the multinode case by just following Gluon_Install_etcd docvument from etherpad | 18:33 |
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| roberttao | I am in the process with Daniel to add another site to the Gluon POC. Trying the best to catch up | 18:35 |
| bh526r | Great, and thank you for the update, Robert | 18:35 |
| roberttao | Tom, thanks for the point. Will look at it too | 18:36 |
| bh526r | #info Robert is working with Daniel to have another Gluon demonstration with ONOS as Gluon's backend | 18:36 |
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| bh526r | #info It will prove that Gluon is able to integrate with variety of SDN Controllers in its backend | 18:37 |
| bh526r | #info in addition to existing integrations | 18:37 |
| bh526r | Anything else from everyone? | 18:38 |
| bh526r | So Kamil will share his scripts with Robert tomorrow morning CEST time | 18:39 |
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| bh526r | If nothing else, let us adjourn meeting and give back 20 minutes to everyone | 18:40 |
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| bh526r | Thank you everyone, and great work and progress | 18:40 |
| bh526r | #info meeting adjourned | 18:41 |
| bh526r | Thank you and bye | 18:41 |
| georgk | bye | 18:41 |
| krenczewski | Great, bye | 18:41 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:41 |
| tomhambleton | bye all! | 18:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 18:41:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-09-14-17.59.html | 18:41 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-09-14-17.59.txt | 18:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-09-14-17.59.log.html | 18:41 |
| roberttao | thanks, bye | 18:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 19:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anyone here for the docs meeting? | 19:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hmm, guess not. | 19:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ShillaSaebi: howdy | 19:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hello | 19:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | meeting? | 19:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 19:04:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | Hi Everyone! Roll call for the docs US meeting | 19:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi | 19:04 |
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| DevonBoatwright | Oh! Hello! | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | hmm ok is it just the 3 of us today? | 19:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | its pretty slim, as usual | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah looks like it | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | okay lets get started then, probably be a quick one | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:05 | |
| ShillaSaebi | none that I know of | 19:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | me neither | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specs in review | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:06 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 19:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | here are the specs | 19:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | same stuff | 19:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 19:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Speciality teams | 19:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | here are the updates | 19:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm still working on the networking guide deployment content rewriting | 19:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | its long and painful, but needs to be done | 19:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | on the install guide front, its interesting that i've seen zero patches for newton | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | wow | 19:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'd consider that a problem at this point | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | sounds like it | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | have we added it to the etherpad for a topic to bring up in Barcelona | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | i think we hsould | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | should* | 19:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | i havent seen or heard from lana in a few days | 19:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | basically, if i dont work on it, it doesnt get done | 19:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | its been that way for several cycles now | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | sounds like its a topic that needs to be brought up | 19:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | possibly on the mailing list given that newton is released in what.. 2 weeks-ish? | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | 21 days | 19:10 |
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| Sam-I-Am | by now we usually have the majority of the changes done, at least to the core services | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | so do you want to start that convo on the ML? | 19:11 |
| lbragstad | o/ sorry i'm late | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi lbragstad | 19:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | we are just going over the specialty teams | 19:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm no longer involved with the install guide, so... probably not. | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Speciality teams: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 19:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speciality teams: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:11 | |
| lbragstad | ShillaSaebi awesome - thanks | 19:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | frankly the projects in the guide should be updating the content for each release | 19:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | that was the plan | 19:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | and once again the core projects are avoiding it | 19:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 19:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | here are the Newton deliverables | 19:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | let me check out install guide | 19:12 |
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| lbragstad | noob question - is install guide the same as installation tutorial? | 19:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | lbragstad: i think the name changed for N but yeah | 19:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | openstack-manuals/doc/install-guide | 19:14 |
| lbragstad | Sam-I-Am from install guide to installation tutorial? | 19:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 19:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | for one reason or another | 19:15 |
| lbragstad | cool - thanks | 19:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | its the same source though | 19:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | and i'm sure keystone could use plenty of updates :) | 19:15 |
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| lbragstad | Sam-I-Am i take it these are the lastest keystone installation steps? https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/blob/master/doc/install-guide/source/keystone-install.rst | 19:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 19:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | plus there's some keystone steps for each service | 19:17 |
| lbragstad | Sam-I-Am sure - auth token config I bet | 19:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, service creationm etc | 19:17 |
| lbragstad | and service user creation | 19:17 |
| lbragstad | yep - cool | 19:17 |
| lbragstad | I have a few hours this afternoon, I can step through this with Newton | 19:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | would be nice to get fully v3 too... i think we still have some hacks in there | 19:17 |
| lbragstad | links? | 19:18 |
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| lbragstad | to the hacks? | 19:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | the install guide should be 'the way service X should be configured, at a basic level' | 19:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | lbragstad: things like using versions in the endpoints. maybe we can go with versionless now, etc. | 19:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | lbragstad: basically, look over what we do and make it the Right Way | 19:18 |
| lbragstad | ah | 19:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | we also didnt implement the bootstrapper | 19:19 |
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| lbragstad | by implement you mean put in the install doc? | 19:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | because it came really late in the M cycle and was not very well documented (probably still isnt) | 19:19 |
| lbragstad | i see you're still referencing the admin token | 19:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 19:19 |
| lbragstad | ok | 19:19 |
| lbragstad | yeah - i just saw that | 19:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | so yeah... there's... "stuff" | 19:19 |
| lbragstad | Sam-I-Am want any of the gaps reported as bugs or do you just want pull requests? | 19:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | at this point just PRs | 19:20 |
| lbragstad | ok | 19:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | use [install] blah blah in the commit msg | 19:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | we usually avoid the bug overhead near a release | 19:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | few weeks after release... bugs. | 19:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | ShillaSaebi: i suppose we can move on | 19:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok and as far as the operations guide, we have enterprise docs uploaded to google docs and looking over them | 19:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | to see what content we want to push up | 19:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | enterprise docs? | 19:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah stuff from Comcast | 19:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | troubleshooting/ ops stuff | 19:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh, thats good | 19:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah slowly but surely | 19:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone else want to talk about anything on specialty teams? | 19:24 |
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| ShillaSaebi | if nothing else, lets move on | 19:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Countdown to release | 19:25 |
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| ShillaSaebi | 21 days 4 hours 34 minutes | 19:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | times flying | 19:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | as usual | 19:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 19:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | We should have our release managers set | 19:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks to Olena and Alex | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | Release tasks are being tracked here | 19:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NewtonRelease | 19:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | any questions on that? | 19:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | nope | 19:28 |
| DevonBoatwright | Do you have to be technical to be a release manager? | 19:28 |
| DevonBoatwright | Just out of curiousity | 19:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont think so | 19:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | its more mechanical than anything | 19:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | so my answer would be that you have to have your tools setup | 19:29 |
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| ShillaSaebi | and follow the steps | 19:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | and then staying on top of the tasks | 19:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | I don't think you have to be technical per se | 19:29 |
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| DevonBoatwright | OK. | 19:29 |
| DevonBoatwright | Thanks | 19:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | I think you can do it DevonBoatwright | 19:30 |
| DevonBoatwright | lol | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | maybe for the next release you can shadow | 19:30 |
| DevonBoatwright | I probably could! | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | or you can volunteer, we usually have 2 release managers | 19:30 |
| DevonBoatwright | Yea, if you needed someone, I would need to shadow someone with a little experience | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok great to know, we will keep your name in the bucket for the next release | 19:30 |
| DevonBoatwright | Sweet. Thanks! | 19:30 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Barcelona | 19:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi | If there's something you want to make sure we discuss at the summit, please put your ideas here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Ocata-DocsSessions When we get our room allocations, I'll organise it into a schedule. | 19:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi | that's from Lana in the last e-mail | 19:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | If you require a visa invitation letter to travel to Spain, then you need to fill out the form here: #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/travel/#visa | 19:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i still need to look at that etherpad | 19:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | but i will be in barcelona | 19:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | ditto | 19:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info PTG Atlanta Feb 20-24 2017 | 19:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg | 19:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | saw that too | 19:33 |
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| ShillaSaebi | cool | 19:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | this is going to be interesting | 19:33 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Open discussion | 19:35 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anything anyone wants to bring up | 19:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | so, who's running for ptl? | 19:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | i havent seen any submissions for docs | 19:35 |
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| ShillaSaebi | when is the submission date | 19:35 |
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| ShillaSaebi | should be september something 2016 right | 19:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | ShillaSaebi: i think this sunday? | 19:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | so, we have a couple more days | 19:36 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | not seeing a lot of love in that dept, but we also dont have that many contributors anymore | 19:37 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 19:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi | agreed | 19:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not sure what happens if we dont have a ptl | 19:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | we need one i would think | 19:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | lets talk to Lana and see if shes still running | 19:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | does it dissolve? default to the most active contributor? | 19:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | im not sure | 19:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi | i can shoot her an email | 19:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else? | 19:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nothing here | 19:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright! | 19:40 |
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| ShillaSaebi | have a good one everyone | 19:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks! | 19:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you for joining :) | 19:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 19:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 19:40:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-09-14-19.04.html | 19:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-09-14-19.04.txt | 19:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-09-14-19.04.log.html | 19:40 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting WOS mentoring | 19:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 14 19:59:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:59 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #topic Speed Mentoring | 20:00 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Hi, who's here for WOS mentoring? | 20:00 |
| aimeeu | hello! | 20:00 |
| Nicole | hi there, nicole is here. | 20:00 |
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| aimeeu | Hi Nicole. I am just now looking at the slide deck you sent. | 20:01 |
| MeganR | Hi | 20:01 |
| Nicole | Excellent! | 20:01 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi Aimee, Hi Nicole, Hi Megan | 20:01 |
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| Nicole | Hi Emily! | 20:02 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think diablo_rojo and ildikov are also here? | 20:02 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Hi Carol | 20:02 |
| ildikov | o/ | 20:03 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi Emily | 20:03 |
| * ildikov is trying to follow :) | 20:03 | |
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| diablo_rojo | I'm here | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, I think we can get started, Nicole nicely sent out a powerpoint with some Speed Mentoring information | 20:03 |
| ekhugen_alt | did everyone get it? | 20:04 |
| CarolBarrett | I did | 20:04 |
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| aimeeu | yep | 20:04 |
| MeganR | yes | 20:04 |
| Nicole | hi everyone! | 20:04 |
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| Nicole | i'm new to this, so please bear with me! | 20:04 |
| ekhugen_alt | cool, Nicole do you want to go through it slide by slide? | 20:05 |
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| Nicole | sounds great! | 20:05 |
| Nicole | bringing it up now ... | 20:05 |
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| Nicole | ok. i've put together a few slides to walk us through an overview of the proposed plan. | 20:06 |
| vkmc | o/ | 20:06 |
| vkmc | hi all | 20:06 |
| ekhugen_alt | hi victoria | 20:06 |
| Nicole | if we can go to slide 2, we'll see objectives. | 20:06 |
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| Nicole | what i've included within objectives takes into account our earlier discussion. | 20:07 |
| ekhugen_alt | yep, I think that looks good, we also need mentors for the long-term mentoring program too | 20:07 |
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| CarolBarrett | ekhugen_alt +1 | 20:07 |
| Nicole | yes, under "attract mentors", i've listed both long-term mentors & mentors specifically for the breakfast. | 20:08 |
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| Nicole | i also included a second objective around continuing to develop a leadership pipeline. | 20:08 |
| CarolBarrett | I think the speed mentor participants includes Mentors and Mentees - Right? | 20:08 |
| MeganR | I really like the idea of a Leadership Pipeline! | 20:08 |
| Nicole | yes, both | 20:08 |
| Nicole | both mentors & mentees | 20:09 |
| ekhugen_alt | MeganR +1 | 20:09 |
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| Nicole | based on our earlier discussion, i've also included a few examples of groups in need of mentors ... | 20:09 |
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| ekhugen_alt | ah okay so the list on the bottom is additional groups in need of mentors | 20:10 |
| Nicole | i'll add to the slide a delineation that "speed mentoring participants" includes mentors & mentees -- thanks, carol! | 20:10 |
| Nicole | yes, emily | 20:10 |
| Nicole | these are a few of the groups we talked about earlier | 20:10 |
| Nicole | a few of the groups in need of mentors | 20:11 |
| ekhugen_alt | makes sense | 20:11 |
| Nicole | cool! | 20:11 |
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| Nicole | are there any objectives i've missed? | 20:11 |
| Nicole | or any other input before we move to the next slide? | 20:11 |
| MeganR | No, that looks good | 20:11 |
| Nicole | excellent! moving to the next slide ... | 20:12 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think the objective of the speed mentoring breakfast is also to provide an icebreaker for first time attendees | 20:12 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen_alt +1 | 20:12 |
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| Nicole | slide 3 outlines our earlier discussion around organization into career & technical, as well as an outline of the overall program. | 20:12 |
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| Nicole | ah, ok, emily -- i see your input about slide 2 -- adding the need to provide an icebreaker for first-time attendees | 20:13 |
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| Nicole | adding that now ... | 20:13 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks Nicole! | 20:13 |
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| Nicole | absolutely! | 20:14 |
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| Nicole | if there is no other input on slide 2, we'll move to slide 3 | 20:14 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think I'm good on slide 2 | 20:15 |
| Nicole | cool! | 20:15 |
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| Nicole | on slide 3, organizing the mentoring sessions into career & technical. we'll need to find a way to make this obvious at the event. | 20:15 |
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| ekhugen_alt | Right, I think we'll be in a lunch room again, so we should have plenty of room | 20:16 |
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| Nicole | and then, an outline of the overall program. intro, mentoring sessions, and close. | 20:16 |
| ekhugen_alt | we'll just have to make sure the tables are marked well. Maybe different color table numbers or something? | 20:16 |
| Nicole | sounds great, emily! | 20:17 |
| CarolBarrett | +1 - good idea | 20:17 |
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| diablo_rojo | Colors is good, assuming no one is color blind :) | 20:17 |
| Nicole | i've noted that | 20:17 |
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| ekhugen_alt | we could do color + pattern, like stripes vs dots | 20:17 |
| ekhugen_alt | good idea kendall | 20:18 |
| Nicole | we could also go with different icons, rather than colors, but the spirit is the same | 20:18 |
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| Nicole | yep, like the stripes & dots! | 20:18 |
| diablo_rojo | +1 stripes & dots | 20:18 |
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| ekhugen_alt | during the intro, I think we talked about having a few mentors/mentees talk about their experiences? | 20:18 |
| Nicole | in terms of overall program outline, the thought is that we'll have time for 3-4 15-min mentoring sessions. | 20:19 |
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| Nicole | open question, emily ... i have in my notes that the overall program run time is 1 hour, 15 mins. is this accurate? | 20:19 |
| ekhugen_alt | yes, I agree with that nicole, last time we had to cut the 4th mentoring session short, so maybe going to 3 would be better this time | 20:19 |
| Nicole | ah, ok -- great insight! | 20:20 |
| CarolBarrett | I think that's a good plan | 20:20 |
| Nicole | marked! | 20:20 |
| ekhugen_alt | it should be nicole, I still haven't seen that the call for papers website has reopened for workgroup meetings | 20:20 |
| ekhugen_alt | diablo_rojo do you know when that's going to happen? | 20:20 |
| diablo_rojo | I don't off the top of my head, but let me ping someone to ask. One sec. | 20:21 |
| ekhugen_alt | ty | 20:21 |
| Nicole | thx | 20:21 |
| ekhugen_alt | but yes, nicole we asked in the women of openstack meeting to have it from 7:30-8:45 again, I believe | 20:21 |
| Nicole | excellent. which day? | 20:21 |
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| CarolBarrett | The call for work group meeting slots went out last week | 20:21 |
| Nicole | tried searching on the summit website but couldn't find the day | 20:21 |
| CarolBarrett | I think today may be the last day to make requests | 20:22 |
| CarolBarrett | Should I forward that to this group? | 20:22 |
| Nicole | in terms of logistics of movement within the room, it was suggested that the mentors be the ones to move between the tables. any thoughts? | 20:22 |
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| diablo_rojo | That seemed to work well last time. | 20:23 |
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| ekhugen_alt | oh yes, carolbarrett I will make sure to go update it today | 20:23 |
| Nicole | excellent! | 20:23 |
| ekhugen_alt | and nicole I think it will be Tuesday, the first official day of the summit | 20:23 |
| Nicole | great -- thanks, emily! | 20:23 |
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| Nicole | does the ratio of mentors to mentees seems about right for us to target? | 20:24 |
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| aimeeu | I think that's a good target, but if I remember, not all mentors actually made it to the breakfast in Austin | 20:25 |
| Nicole | any other questions or input regarding structure/format on slide 3? | 20:25 |
| ekhugen_alt | so CarolBarrett have you tried to submit a workgroup session? the only summit category I can choose right now is vbrownbag | 20:25 |
| ekhugen_alt | so for the ratio, you mean between 1 mentor for every 12 mentees to 1 mentor for every 6 mentees? | 20:25 |
| Nicole | aimeeu, thanks for the input! | 20:25 |
| CarolBarrett | ekhugen_alt - You need to be an offical WG owner for this to work. Are you trying to submit for the speed mentoring session? | 20:26 |
| ekhugen_alt | yes, I am | 20:26 |
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| Nicole | what has worked well previously in terms of ratio? | 20:26 |
| CarolBarrett | My guess is that is already in the plans. Suggest you send a note to Claire or Erin at the Foundation to confirm time and location | 20:26 |
| vkmc | if there is a good number of mentors, I'd tried to reduce the number of mentees per mentor | 20:27 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, I will send a note and copy people, thanks! | 20:27 |
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| vkmc | usually time is tight and everybody has lots of questions | 20:27 |
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| aimeeu | vkmc: +1 | 20:27 |
| Nicole | so, 1 mentor for 6 mentees? | 20:27 |
| ekhugen_alt | vkmc and Nicole, last time we had about 8 mentees per mentor | 20:27 |
| CarolBarrett | Nicole: +1 | 20:27 |
| Nicole | ok, great to know | 20:27 |
| aimeeu | Also, maybe suggest that mentees don't need to introduce themselves to each mentor that comes to the table? That consumed a lot of time. | 20:28 |
| ekhugen_alt | and that was maybe a bit much, I agree | 20:28 |
| vkmc | Nicole, +1 | 20:28 |
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| Nicole | good to know! | 20:28 |
| ekhugen_alt | +1 aimeeu, we should be sure to include that in the mentor prep session | 20:29 |
| Nicole | any other input on slide 3, before we move to slide 4? | 20:29 |
| Nicole | ok, noted! | 20:29 |
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| Nicole | moving to slide 4 ... | 20:30 |
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| Nicole | emily, wanted to have an open dialogue about how we might divide & conquer. :) | 20:31 |
| Nicole | on slide 4 ... | 20:31 |
| Nicole | the concept is that we can divide & conquer. let me know if there are any tasks here that are out of place & belong in one or the other | 20:32 |
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| ekhugen_alt | sure, I think that there are prep type things (like the baseball cards), things to bring (like mardi gras beads) and then things that need to be done at the event (like directing people) | 20:33 |
| Nicole | yep, great point | 20:33 |
| ekhugen_alt | and if anyone else wants to do the speaking, like the intro and closing, I'm happy to share that as well | 20:33 |
| CarolBarrett | ekhugen)alt: Good point. I think you should own the directing people part of things too | 20:34 |
| ekhugen_alt | right, last time it worked well to have 3-4 of us directing people | 20:34 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think if we're going to break off into two groups (career and technical) we might want even more help | 20:35 |
| Nicole | ok, so collectively we should decide who those 3-4 people will be | 20:35 |
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| ekhugen_alt | is everyone in this meeting going to be at Barcelona, I guess is the first question? | 20:36 |
| Nicole | great question. i'll be there. | 20:37 |
| ekhugen_alt | we'd talked about asking for more volunteers at the monday WOS meeting too | 20:37 |
| MeganR | I will be | 20:37 |
| aimeeu | I don't know yet and probably won't know for another couple of weeks | 20:37 |
| CarolBarrett | ekhugen_alt: Agree, think 3 is the minimum, but another 1 or 2 is good - esp when the mentors move tables. I'm happy to help out. | 20:37 |
| CarolBarrett | I'll be there | 20:37 |
| diablo_rojo | I can be there | 20:38 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay so that's good, we have at least 5 of us (nicole, carol, megan, kendall, emily) and possibly 6 (aimee) | 20:38 |
| Nicole | cool! | 20:38 |
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| Nicole | do we need 3 for career, and 3 for technical? | 20:39 |
| DLynch | I won't be | 20:39 |
| ekhugen_alt | aww, that's too bad danielle, we'll miss you! | 20:39 |
| CarolBarrett | bummer Danielle! | 20:39 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think last time we had: 1 "caller", 1 person at the door directing people as they came in and then a few floaters | 20:39 |
| CarolBarrett | I think 3 for each would be good | 20:39 |
| DLynch | I'd love to be there...:( | 20:40 |
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| CarolBarrett | ekhugen_alt: That's right. I think having people make sure the mentor table switches goes quick and correct would be good | 20:40 |
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| ekhugen_alt | right | 20:41 |
| ekhugen_alt | other things I can think of to bring: holders for the table numbers (we talked about having high ones so they're more visible) | 20:41 |
| ekhugen_alt | a bell for calling time (I can bring one again) | 20:41 |
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| CarolBarrett | The bell worked well. | 20:42 |
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| CarolBarrett | We should also make sure we have a microphone | 20:42 |
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| ekhugen_alt | +1 carol | 20:42 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think we also asked for a projector too, although I'll confirm that with claire and erin | 20:42 |
| Nicole | i can work with claire & erin to make sure we have a mic | 20:43 |
| CarolBarrett | perfect! | 20:43 |
| ekhugen_alt | since we said maybe having the rules projected up front might be useful | 20:43 |
| ekhugen_alt | thanks nicole | 20:43 |
| Nicole | emily, i can put the mic & the projector in a single request to them | 20:43 |
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| ekhugen_alt | awesome, ty! | 20:44 |
| Nicole | sure! | 20:44 |
| Nicole | ok, i've made the additions to slide 4 | 20:44 |
| ekhugen_alt | for prep, we also want to have a prep call with the mentors again | 20:44 |
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| Nicole | got it | 20:44 |
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| ekhugen_alt | we could probably just reuse the slides from last time and just update them a bit | 20:45 |
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| CarolBarrett | sounds good | 20:45 |
| Nicole | emily, can you point me to the slides? | 20:45 |
| ekhugen_alt | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1lkt5NAhhFnGgRFuOCoiliJLJDxo1tAWle0dkYhvxnm8/edit#slide=id.p3 | 20:45 |
| ekhugen_alt | does that link work for you nicole? | 20:46 |
| Nicole | trying it now | 20:46 |
| Nicole | yes, it does | 20:46 |
| Nicole | thanks! | 20:46 |
| ekhugen_alt | cool, maybe for next meeting we should plan a review of the prep charts | 20:47 |
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| Nicole | ok -- i'll note taht | 20:47 |
| Nicole | *that | 20:47 |
| ekhugen_alt | I think that's all else I can think of for responsibilities, does anyone else have any suggestions? | 20:47 |
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| Nicole | ok, moving to the last slide ... | 20:48 |
| ekhugen_alt | did you mean you need the links for the wiki page and baseball card templates? | 20:48 |
| Nicole | in terms of open questions ... the only i have at this point are links to the wiki page & the google drive (to collect the info for the baseball cards) | 20:49 |
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| ekhugen_alt | google drive baseball cards https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B8Uo3_Z83yK2SzViTUw3clQ5NGc?usp=sharing | 20:49 |
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| Nicole | great -- thanks, emily! | 20:50 |
| Nicole | do you also have the link to the wiki page? | 20:51 |
| ekhugen_alt | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mentors | 20:51 |
| Nicole | perfect, tx! | 20:51 |
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| ekhugen_alt | thanks for pulling all this together Nicole, we really appreciate it | 20:52 |
| Nicole | i think that's all i had for today. any other input? | 20:52 |
| CarolBarrett | Shaping up to be a great event! | 20:52 |
| ekhugen_alt | +1 carol | 20:52 |
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| Nicole | awesome! looking forward to it! | 20:52 |
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| Nicole | i'll distribute the updated slides shortly | 20:53 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I will add a short note about the call for mentors, I've been talking with Kendall and Erin and we're still working on getting the questionnaires updated | 20:53 |
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| ekhugen_alt | so as soon as they're updated I'll let the group know and be looking for someone to send out the call for mentors, both in general and then for Speed Mentoring in particular | 20:53 |
| CarolBarrett | sounds good | 20:54 |
| ekhugen_alt | any other questions on Speed Mentoring? | 20:54 |
| CarolBarrett | Not from me | 20:54 |
| MeganR | I don't have anything | 20:54 |
| vkmc | not from me either | 20:54 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, in our last 5 minutes here, I promised ildikov that we'd talk a bit about upstream training | 20:54 |
| DLynch | nothing from me | 20:55 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic upstream training | 20:55 |
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| ildikov | :) | 20:55 |
| CarolBarrett | I do have a Q on basic mentor though... | 20:55 |
| ekhugen_alt | oh sure Carol | 20:55 |
| CarolBarrett | Is there any update on getting a technical mentor for Ivy Alexander? I have a career mentoring session with her later this week... | 20:55 |
| ekhugen_alt | no, I don't have any technical mentors free, I was hoping after another round of calling for mentors to get a few more | 20:56 |
| ildikov | We are slowly updating the training materials and trying to add new items as well like WGs | 20:56 |
| CarolBarrett | OK - will let her know. Thanks! | 20:56 |
| ekhugen_alt | sorry about that | 20:56 |
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| ekhugen_alt | yes, ildikov did you get the reviewers you needed for the training materials? | 20:57 |
| ildikov | I just wanted to ask here what's the timeline for having mentors signed up? | 20:57 |
| ekhugen_alt | well we're hoping to put out the call for mentors soon, like I mentioned earlier, how many mentors are you looking for for upstream? | 20:57 |
| ildikov | ekhugen_alt: we're getting there, I'll keep up with the reminder mails :) | 20:57 |
| ildikov | We have a limit at 50 for attendees | 20:58 |
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| CarolBarrett | I've got to run - take care everyone! | 20:58 |
| ekhugen_alt | does every attendee for upstream need a mentor though? | 20:59 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, thanks! | 20:59 |
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| ekhugen_alt | we're just about at time, ildikov, can we continue on openstack-women? | 20:59 |
| ildikov | Yeap | 20:59 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, thanks everyone! | 20:59 |
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| ildikov | I'll jump over | 20:59 |
| MeganR | Bye! | 20:59 |
| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 20:59:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-09-14-19.59.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-09-14-19.59.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-09-14-19.59.log.html | 20:59 |
| DLynch | bye... | 20:59 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| notmyname | joeljwright's excited! | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | Guest59079: mmotiani? | 21:01 |
| acoles | LATE :/ | 21:01 |
| pdardeau | also late o/ | 21:02 |
| Guest59079 | notmyname: Yes :-) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | acoles: guess who was on time? | 21:02 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:02 |
| acoles | notmyname: I saw | 21:02 |
| notmyname | agenda for this week is below. summary is to cover the things needed for the release and to go over some golang plans, based on a call several of us had last friday | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | welcome, everyone | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic release prep | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | as I said last week, the newton release is at the end of the month | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 21:03 |
| notmyname | which means that our final release has to be done by then | 21:03 |
| notmyname | so here's the good news: based on how we work and do releases generally, we can tag and release at any time | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | the "bad" news then, is that there's several things that would be really good to have in the release, and if that's going to happen, they need to be landed asap | 21:04 |
| notmyname | and by asap, mostly I mean in time to tag a release next week | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I'll be traveling next week (sun-thurs), but I'd like to tag something in the 2nd half of next week | 21:05 |
| notmyname | so let's look at reviews | 21:06 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:06 |
| clayg | #asifwehaven'talllookedatthereviewsalready | 21:06 |
| notmyname | I took all the stuff I knew of and people brought to my attention and put it in 3 buckets | 21:06 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:06 |
| notmyname | clayg: you've been doing great! | 21:06 |
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| acoles | looks like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348495/ has merged today so can be struck off the list | 21:06 |
| patchbot | patch 348495 - swift - Make container sync copy SLO manifests (MERGED) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | nice! | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | I updated the wiki page | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | ok, the last 2 int he top section are related to EC. also, both are by acoles | 21:08 |
| clayg | swift 2.acoles | 21:08 |
| notmyname | they are being reviewed, actively, now, and acoles is super busy responding to it :-) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215276/ by kota_ and clayg | 21:08 |
| patchbot | patch 215276 - swift - Enable object server to return non-durable data | 21:08 |
| clayg | notmyname: and timburke | 21:09 |
| kota_ | ;-) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355958/ by tdasilva and mattoliverau | 21:09 |
| patchbot | patch 355958 - swift - EC - eliminate .durable files | 21:09 |
| clayg | so basically it's like the worst possible three reviewers if the goal is to get it landed :\ | 21:09 |
| notmyname | heh, yeah | 21:09 |
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| acoles | plus I can't remember how it worked after a year | 21:09 |
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| mattoliverau | lol | 21:10 |
| acoles | but it *does* work | 21:10 |
| clayg | i'm in no rush to land the eliminate .durable files - ondisk formats are forever | 21:10 |
| notmyname | acoles: I'm sure it will be great (eventually) | 21:10 |
| notmyname | if you are looking for a way to help get the release done, then start going down the list on the wiki would be helpful | 21:10 |
| clayg | i mean if it's perfect and helpful great - otherwise - let's not try to get in something in a pinch | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | right. TBH, I want to see one of those EC ones land. I'd be happy with that | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: but think about the inodes.. wont anybody think about the inodes :) | 21:11 |
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| clayg | mattoliverau: didn't you -1 it!? | 21:11 |
| notmyname | and we don't need to rush. we'll have another release like a month after barca | 21:11 |
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| acoles | clayg: notmyname also those two conflict so perhaps we should pick one | 21:11 |
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| mattoliverau | clayg: sure, I hate inodes :P | 21:11 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: i love some inodes - i'm saying we should prioritize stuff that is going to land over stuff that is not | 21:12 |
| tdasilva | acoles: i was wondering about that | 21:12 |
| notmyname | acoles: do you have a preference? | 21:12 |
| clayg | optomistic gets would be really great - the linked bugs are terrible | 21:12 |
| notmyname | acoles: code complexity wise | 21:12 |
| acoles | notmyname: complexity wise eliminating .durables is simpler, but I'd prefer optimistic GETs because its older, enables kota's works and does fix some bugs | 21:13 |
| notmyname | ok, that's the author and one reviewer saying optimistic gets. so let's do that ;-) | 21:14 |
| acoles | plus the reason clayg gave - we really don't want to screw up on diskfile format | 21:14 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | kk | 21:14 |
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| clayg | this is going well! | 21:14 |
| notmyname | wiki updated | 21:14 |
| notmyname | also, I am very very grateful to tom fifield for removing the wiki captcha for me. so much easier | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | wow. at this rate, we'll be done by the end of the meeting. anything else to scratch off the list? ;-) | 21:15 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: but now we won't know when you get replaced by a robot | 21:15 |
| acoles | notmyname: oh yeah that captcha was so annoying | 21:16 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: "replaced". yes. I am. not. a robot. hello, fellow human | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | so focus on patch 215276 (and we've already go reviewers on that) | 21:16 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215276/ - swift - Enable object server to return non-durable data | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | I knew Swift stack was doing something, no wonder y'all dont sleep :P | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:17 |
| notmyname | I know oshrit is still looking at patch 210099 for container sync and wants to see it land | 21:17 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210099/ - swift - Add process level concurrency to container sync | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | kota_: because it has the dependency on acoles's patch and because it's big and hasn't had reviews, I can't see how we'll get global EC landed for this release | 21:17 |
| notmyname | if you are looking for something to do, look under the "would be nice to land" patches | 21:18 |
| kota_ | hmm.... | 21:18 |
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| acoles | did I read earlier that jrichli might review patch 210099? | 21:19 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210099/ - swift - Add process level concurrency to container sync | 21:19 |
| notmyname | acoles: I think she said that | 21:19 |
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| clayg | acoles: yeah i'm pretty sure she said she would do that for sure (this is so mean) | 21:19 |
| acoles | thats agreed then ;) | 21:19 |
| clayg | so. mean. | 21:19 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:20 |
| kmARC | :) | 21:20 |
| jrichli | i will take a look tonight :-) | 21:20 |
| acoles | yay! | 21:20 |
| mattoliverau | ^ people reading this from logs is why you come to meetings ;) | 21:20 |
| jrichli | had just put it on top of list | 21:20 |
| clayg | it's like we're trying to reinforce that she should *not* listen to us - this crap would never work on me. | 21:20 |
| notmyname | for now, I'm feeling good about the release (with patch 215276 landed), and I'll be happy to tag when that lands. no need to rush big stuff, and no other critical bugs that I know of | 21:21 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215276/ - swift - Enable object server to return non-durable data | 21:21 |
| clayg | notmyname: and after patch 215276 swift is done right? no need to review any of the other stuff? | 21:21 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215276/ - swift - Enable object server to return non-durable data | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | not release related, but donagh is awesome on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354767/ | 21:22 |
| patchbot | patch 354767 - swift - Corrections for the API specifications in api-ref | 21:22 |
| notmyname | clayg: no. still review other stuff down the list, but 215276 is the last thing to push for in the release | 21:22 |
| notmyname | other stuff is very very nice to have | 21:22 |
| acoles | what about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323950/ | 21:22 |
| patchbot | patch 323950 - swift - Refactor locale tests and fix unicode issue | 21:22 |
| jrichli | donagh : yay for correct docs! | 21:22 |
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| acoles | did patch 323950 fix a bug or just fix some tests? | 21:23 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323950/ - swift - Refactor locale tests and fix unicode issue | 21:23 |
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| acoles | it is one of cschwede's | 21:23 |
| notmyname | when I looked, it seems that there was a bug | 21:23 |
| clayg | acoles: it does *not* fix a bug - nor tests - it makes it more likely to hit bugs in prod - but it actively hides the issue in tests :'( | 21:23 |
| notmyname | but discussion refocused into a different one | 21:24 |
| clayg | there migth be bugs | 21:24 |
| acoles | clayg: oic | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1580678 | 21:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580678 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "UnicodeDecodeError when rebalancing a ring" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Christian Schwede (cschwede) | 21:24 |
| clayg | oh... maybe i'm not looking at the rigth chagne - yeah that's the one | 21:24 |
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| clayg | i looked into it - we need to fix our mock of gettext in unittests | 21:24 |
| clayg | acoles: you remember the bug in the object controller that bc found? | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ah, ok. I hadn't seen your comments | 21:24 |
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| clayg | the unicode args from the ring made the gettext string unicode and the non-ascii utf-8 bytestring blew up? | 21:25 |
| acoles | clayg: yes, think I did something on a bc bug | 21:25 |
| clayg | so we had to turn the non-ascci utf8 bytestring into unicode | 21:25 |
| clayg | so cschwede makes it so that *all* the gettext strings are unicode so that we will definately blow up if we try to put non-ascci bytestrings in there | 21:25 |
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| clayg | ... but no in tests - in tests non ascii bytestrings still go into bytestrings and we just cray | 21:26 |
| clayg | *cry | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | clayg: yet you put a +1 on the patch | 21:26 |
| acoles | got it | 21:26 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah we should totally fix that! i like the idea of using unicode more so we can't cheat | 21:26 |
| clayg | py3 is coming | 21:27 |
| notmyname | I mean that it sounds like you don't like the proposed solution, but you gave it a +1. I may just need to look at it closer | 21:28 |
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| clayg | i like hte propsed solution but the patch needs more work - i'd be happy to make it a -1 or even fix it (after optomistic gets) | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | got it | 21:28 |
| notmyname | acoles: ever feel like we're just trying to keep up with clayg? ;-) | 21:29 |
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| acoles | notmyname: I gave up on that ages ago | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ok, anything else on release patches to bring up in here in this meeting? | 21:29 |
| notmyname | great. then everyone should know what to do to help out to get the release done | 21:30 |
| notmyname | moving on to golang | 21:30 |
| notmyname | #topic golang update | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | last friday dfg, nadeem, clayg, acoles, tdasilva, and myself talked on a video chat about the repconn progress | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | ugh | 21:31 |
| notmyname | so let's see if I can summarize it correctly | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | we've been talking about getting the golang obj replicator into the repconn branch and that would be what we first merge | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | however, that separation is not very good from the golang perspective, based on what we know will happen right after because of the shared code with the obj server | 21:32 |
| notmyname | so, here's the new new new plan | 21:33 |
| notmyname | nadeem is refactoring the hummingbird branch | 21:33 |
| notmyname | clayg is working there too | 21:33 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365849/ | 21:33 |
| patchbot | patch 365849 - swift (feature/hummingbird) - go: fix replicator policy bugs / big refactor | 21:33 |
| clayg | notmyname: oh i haven't looked at that patch yet | 21:34 |
| notmyname | and the goal is to (1) extract the stuff we know we don't want to land (like the start of a proxy server and the bench client) away from the feature/hummingbird branch and (2) selectively expose things with swift-init integration | 21:34 |
| clayg | i was looking at making probetests work and swift-init boss the hummingbird entrypoints around | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | yeah, related :-) | 21:35 |
| clayg | the swift-init stuff was ok, and fixed an issue with the user/drop_privledges stuff that's good-ish probably | 21:35 |
| clayg | ... but now I don't know if we should put repconn on the replication daemon :'( | 21:35 |
| notmyname | so we'll have a blob of golang that includes more than just the basic object replicator, but nothing but the object replicator will be exposed via swift-init | 21:35 |
| clayg | meanwhile redbo is working on ... the container server | 21:35 |
| clayg | you'd think we don't have a plan - and you'd be right | 21:35 |
| notmyname | redbo: (why?) | 21:36 |
| notmyname | clayg: it's more of a general idea with a buch of other things going on to | 21:36 |
| clayg | notmyname: cause they already have the hummingbird replicator deployed? | 21:36 |
| clayg | womm^Hcluster | 21:36 |
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| redbo | Why container server? | 21:37 |
| clayg | notmyname: you ever feel like we're just trying to keep up with redbo? | 21:37 |
| notmyname | clayg: I gave up on that years ago ;-) | 21:37 |
| clayg | well played | 21:37 |
| notmyname | redbo: well, more like why now. I just want to focus on getting golang in master ASAP (or whatever that looks like according to the TC) | 21:37 |
| clayg | notmyname: I think when I get on with nadeem some more we'll get things moving back in the right direction | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | and the first parts AFAICT is getting the object server feature-compatible with the python one and the swift-init integration and repconn | 21:38 |
| clayg | i'm not really sure what the answer is for how to have experiemnts like bench clients and cluster tools and container/proxy serives living on after a good swath of feature/hummingbird comes onto master | 21:38 |
| pdardeau | golang in master ASAP? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | pdardeau: in the sense of golang==better for users, yes | 21:39 |
| redbo | I wanted to see if it would be faster | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | pdardeau: and in the sense of "master" being shorthand for whatever the TC will let us ship | 21:39 |
| clayg | so awesome | 21:39 |
| pdardeau | notmyname: thx, the second part was what i was curious about | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | yeah. "master" is a lot easier to type than "the results of whatever the TC election brings and further conversation based on teh current political winds". also, it's what I really want, ultimately ;-) | 21:40 |
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| pdardeau | notmyname: +1 | 21:41 |
| notmyname | anything more to cover on golang in the meeting? | 21:41 |
| clayg | notmyname: that's only because you haven't been fighting with GOPATH - it would be *so* much easier to have a python/ directory in a go project than the other way around | 21:41 |
| clayg | notmyname: umm... vagrant-swift-all-in-one has a hummingbird branch - patches welcome - everyone should try to spin up some golang - it's wip but basically - it'll be great | 21:42 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:42 |
| mattoliverau | cool | 21:42 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | barcelona is coming up soon. I hope to see you all there | 21:43 |
| notmyname | I'll set up an etherpad in the next few days to start collecting topics for the sessions | 21:43 |
| notmyname | any questions about the summit? | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:44 |
| kota_ | just fyi, swift3 cut a release yesterday. | 21:44 |
| notmyname | oh, meeting next week | 21:44 |
| notmyname | kota_: yay | 21:44 |
| zaitcev | I saw swift3 release. | 21:44 |
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| kota_ | try it if you're interested in | 21:45 |
| notmyname | I'll be traveling next week, so I propose skipping next week's meeting. anyone opposed? (by opposing, you are volunteering to lead the meeting) | 21:45 |
| * torgomatic_ stays extra quiet | 21:45 | |
| notmyname | yeah, that's what I expected ;-) | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:46 |
| notmyname | no worries. stay active in -swift, and everything will be just fine :-) | 21:46 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:46 |
| notmyname | I'll be online as much as I can | 21:46 |
| notmyname | anything else last-minute for this week's meeting? questions? comments? or are we done? | 21:46 |
| acoles | should we try to land this for the release https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354767/ or are we not yet publishing from the swift repo? | 21:47 |
| patchbot | patch 354767 - swift - Corrections for the API specifications in api-ref | 21:47 |
| clayg | acoles: timur says that change is better | 21:47 |
| clayg | acoles: i say we land it | 21:47 |
| clayg | acoles: does it need a +A? I got a +A | 21:47 |
| jrichli | acoles: I think these get built with each commit | 21:48 |
| notmyname | acoles: AFAIK, it doesn't matter. since we publish docs at every commit, it only matters if docs are shipped with packages. I don't think ever happens | 21:48 |
| notmyname | point is, land them whenever, and they're immediately available | 21:48 |
| acoles | notmyname: oic. also I wasn't sure if the switch had been thrown so that this content is the published content | 21:48 |
| notmyname | acoles: actually, I don't know the answer to that | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | but I can find out | 21:49 |
| acoles | notmyname: we'll find out if clayg add +A :) | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | heh, that too :-) | 21:49 |
| clayg | how can you *not* +A that -> http://docs-draft.openstack.org/67/354767/14/check/gate-swift-api-ref/8a76c27//api-ref/build/html/?expanded=show-object-metadata-detail#show-object-metadata | 21:49 |
| clayg | it's beautiful | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | last call | 21:50 |
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| acoles | last --with last | 21:50 |
| patchbot | [21:50:34] <notmyname> last call | 21:50 |
| jrichli | :-) | 21:50 |
| notmyname | go home patchbot. you're drunk | 21:50 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:51 |
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| jrichli | i still kinda like the new patchbot | 21:51 |
| timburke | don't have to go home, but you can't stay here | 21:51 |
| notmyname | ok, I think we're done | 21:51 |
| notmyname | thanks for your work on swift | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 14 21:51:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:51 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-09-14-21.00.html | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-09-14-21.00.txt | 21:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-09-14-21.00.log.html | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ early mark for breakfast | 21:51 |
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