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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 13 03:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2016-09-13_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 03:00 |
| shubhams | shubham | 03:00 |
| Vivek_ | Vivek Jain | 03:00 |
| haiwei | haiwei, hi | 03:00 |
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| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting Namrata mkrai shubhams Vivek_ haiwei | 03:01 |
| hongbin | Pause a few more seconds for potential participants | 03:01 |
| hongbin | btw, yanyanhu cannot attend this meeting, he is travelling this week | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | ok, let's start | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:02 | |
| hongbin | 1. The zun-ui repo was created (thanks Shu) | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link https://github.com/openstack/zun-ui | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | 2. sudipto shared an apporach to bootstrap Zun development environment | 03:02 |
| mkrai | Yay!! Thanks Shu | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link https://github.com/sudswas/zun-docker | 03:02 |
| hongbin | shu-mutou: thx | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | any comments regarding to the annoucement? | 03:03 |
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| mkrai | Thanks sudipto | 03:03 |
| hongbin | sudipto: just mentioned your work :) | 03:03 |
| sudipto | hongbin, mkrai thanks! Sorry joined late. | 03:04 |
| sudipto | that work needs a lot of work still. But i think i will finish automating everything with docker-compose by end of this week | 03:04 |
| mkrai | hongbin, Can we add this to guide? | 03:04 |
| hongbin | mkrai: if you want | 03:04 |
| shubhams | sudipto : are there any dependencies or prerequisite for this to work ? | 03:04 |
| sudipto | shubhams, just to have docker installed. | 03:05 |
| sudipto | wherever you are trying this. | 03:05 |
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| shubhams | sudipto : cool , great work! | 03:05 |
| mkrai | I think its good to add it. | 03:05 |
| hongbin | mkrai: sure | 03:05 |
| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:06 | |
| hongbin | 1. Create a bug to disable devstack job if a patch is a spec or doc change (DONE) | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/zun/+bug/1622244 | 03:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1622244 in Zun "Diable devstack job for a doc-only change" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to prameswar (prameswar) | 03:06 |
| hongbin | 2. hongbin help shu-mutou to create a new repo for ui (DONE by Shu) | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366489/ | 03:06 |
| hongbin | That is all for AIs | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #topic Nova integration (Namrata) | 03:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova integration (Namrata) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:06 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/nova-integration The BP | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-containers-nova-integration The etherpad | 03:06 |
| hongbin | Namrata: ^^ | 03:07 |
| Namrata | yes | 03:07 |
| Namrata | The updated patch is up for reviw | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354553/ | 03:08 |
| adisky | hi | 03:08 |
| hongbin | Namrata: i have another proposal which might touch a little about nova | 03:08 |
| hongbin | adisky: hey, thanks for joining | 03:09 |
| adisky | :) | 03:09 |
| hongbin | Namrata: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365754/ | 03:09 |
| Namrata | okay .whats the proposal | 03:09 |
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| hongbin | Namrata: i guess your proposal will depends on the decision of the other proposal | 03:10 |
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| hongbin | Namrata: we will discuss the network proposal later | 03:10 |
| Namrata | okay sure | 03:10 |
| hongbin | Any other comment regarding to the nova integration spec? | 03:11 |
| Namrata | no | 03:11 |
| shu-mutou | (^^)/ sorry, I'm late. | 03:11 |
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| hongbin | shu-mutou: hey, np. thanks for coming | 03:12 |
| hongbin | #topic Support interactive mode | 03:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Support interactive mode (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:12 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-interactive-mode | 03:12 |
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| hongbin | i will explain this bp a bit | 03:12 |
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| hongbin | in docker, there is an interacive mode: docker run -it ubuntu /bin/bash | 03:12 |
| hongbin | the bp is about doing something similar in zun | 03:13 |
| hongbin | for example, zun run --image ubuntu --interactive | 03:13 |
| sudipto | hongbin, waiting for your assessment on how we will do it :) | 03:13 |
| hongbin | sudipto: i haven | 03:14 |
| hongbin | sudipto: i haven't investigate on it yet | 03:14 |
| sudipto | given the zun run can happen from anywhere | 03:14 |
| sudipto | Ok i feel at this time, that it's not possible to do. | 03:14 |
| hongbin | just want to get feedback on whether this is a good idea | 03:14 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: why? | 03:15 |
| sudipto | you can't launch an interactive session just like docker does by running this command from a remote machine | 03:15 |
| sudipto | you could do so via VNC - but that won't probably replicate the exact same behavior/ | 03:15 |
| sudipto | ? | 03:15 |
| hongbin | sudipto: but swarm did that | 03:15 |
| sudipto | docker does it by attaching a serial console to the process locally | 03:15 |
| sudipto | ok - then i am least knowledged, i should find out how swarm did it. | 03:16 |
| hongbin | yes, that is part of the job of the bp owner (if someone interest to take the bp) | 03:16 |
| mkrai | I like the idea, but yes we have to look at the implementation details | 03:16 |
| sudipto | I will do the investigation | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: thx | 03:17 |
| hongbin | sudipto: i just wanted to ask if there is a volunteer to take the work :) | 03:18 |
| sudipto | hongbin, yeah i can take it and let you know if this is conclusive. | 03:18 |
| hongbin | ok, then we can wait for sudipto to do an initial investigation, then re-discuss it at the next meeting | 03:19 |
| sudipto | Sure thing. | 03:19 |
| hongbin | #topic Container image store | 03:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Container image store (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:19 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/glance-integration | 03:19 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-container-image | 03:19 |
| hongbin | we discussed this at the last meeting | 03:19 |
| hongbin | at the last meeting, we discuss a solution: | 03:20 |
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| hongbin | solution 1: pull image from glance first, if miss, pull from docker hub | 03:21 |
| hongbin | then, somebody proposal an alternative solution | 03:21 |
| hongbin | solution 2: define a list of repo to pull images, and support it as configurable values | 03:22 |
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| hongbin | for example, there is config like ['dockerhub', 'glance'], then image will be pulled form docker hub first | 03:22 |
| hongbin | finally, the glance ptl suggested to leverage the location feature from glance | 03:22 |
| hongbin | solution 3: leverage location feature from glance | 03:23 |
| mkrai | What is that location feature? | 03:23 |
| hongbin | hopefully, i summarize everything correctly | 03:23 |
| hongbin | mkrai: i don't know it in details, here is the general idea | 03:24 |
| hongbin | mkrai: glance image has an attribute called "locations" | 03:24 |
| hongbin | mkrai: it defines a list of locations to pull the glance image | 03:24 |
| hongbin | mkrai: for example [swift://...., http://...] | 03:24 |
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| mkrai | So it can pull from docker hub also? | 03:25 |
| hongbin | mkrai: also, glance has a configure called location strategy | 03:25 |
| hongbin | mkrai: the location strategy will decide how to pull the image based on a location list | 03:25 |
| hongbin | mkrai: re. docker hub, we needs a backend for glance to support docker hub | 03:26 |
| hongbin | so, if we choose solution #3, the first thing we needs to do is to contribute a patch to glance to support docker hub as a backend | 03:27 |
| mkrai | Ok got it. If glance can support all possible solutions, then it better to go with #3 | 03:27 |
| shubhams | hongbin : we will provide the user of zun api to provide the link location or it will be internally managed by zun ? | 03:27 |
| mkrai | Then we have only one solution which will be easy to maintain | 03:28 |
| hongbin | shubhams: i think it will internally defined by operators | 03:28 |
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| hongbin | shubhams: users just needs to specify the name of hte image, then zun / glance will decide how to pull it | 03:29 |
| mkrai | hongbin, is anyone working on this bp? | 03:29 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: as far as i know, nobody is working on that so far | 03:29 |
| mkrai | Ok I will take it | 03:29 |
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| shubhams | hongbin : what if as an operator I want to access image from a specific repo (local or remote whatever) | 03:30 |
| mkrai | Do we have all this information on etherpad or anywhere? | 03:30 |
| hongbin | mkrai: assigned it to you | 03:30 |
| shubhams | mkrai : I can work on this with you | 03:30 |
| mkrai | Thanks hongbin shubhams | 03:31 |
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| hongbin | shubhams: good question (what if as an operator I want to access image from a specific repo) | 03:32 |
| hongbin | shubhams: frankly, i don't have a perfect answer for that | 03:32 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: what is your opinions? | 03:32 |
| sudipto | i tend to believe the operator should have the flexibility | 03:33 |
| shubhams | That was the reason, I proposed a "configure repo" kind of solution in last meeting | 03:33 |
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| sudipto | let's gather our thoughts on the ether pad? | 03:33 |
| sudipto | and decide it eventually? | 03:33 |
| shubhams | +1 sudipto for etherpad | 03:33 |
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| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-container-image | 03:33 |
| hongbin | this one is the old discussion | 03:34 |
| sudipto | No one from the china team joined today? | 03:34 |
| hongbin | want to reuse that one or create a new one? | 03:34 |
| sudipto | (sorry if you had announced this before) | 03:34 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: yanyanhu is in travel this week | 03:34 |
| sudipto | ok | 03:35 |
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| sudipto | wenzhi, | 03:35 |
| hongbin | he didn't seem to be here today | 03:35 |
| sudipto | ok...np | 03:35 |
| hongbin | ok, all let's forward your input to the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-container-image | 03:36 |
| shubhams | hongbin : sure | 03:36 |
| hongbin | the discussion in that etherpad might be outdated, remove it if you want | 03:36 |
| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:37 |
| hongbin | #topic Container network | 03:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Container network (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:37 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/neutron-integration | 03:37 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365754/ | 03:37 |
| hongbin | we discussed this one at the previous meeting as well | 03:38 |
| hongbin | let me do a recap | 03:38 |
| hongbin | the proposal is about using nova to create a sandbox container | 03:38 |
| hongbin | the sandbox container is an empty container, but with neutron ports attached (with network, ip) | 03:39 |
| hongbin | all containers created in zun will go into sandbox containers | 03:39 |
| hongbin | that is | 03:40 |
| hongbin | in zun, create a container will do two things | 03:40 |
| hongbin | 1. call nova to create a sandbox container | 03:40 |
| hongbin | 2. have zun-compute to create a zun container, by using the namespace of the sandbox container | 03:40 |
| hongbin | the point is to reuse nova to do the networking, scheduing, etc. | 03:41 |
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| hongbin | basically, the idea is to re-use everything in nova | 03:41 |
| hongbin | however, containers are created by zun API | 03:41 |
| hongbin | that is all | 03:42 |
| mkrai | hongbin, How is this sandbox container created in nova? | 03:42 |
| sudipto | and i had an objection towards it - because that makes us dependent on nova...however i would like to also get a sense of how much nova code is applicable as is for this work... | 03:42 |
| sudipto | that is via the nova-docker driver i thought? | 03:42 |
| sudipto | to answer mkrai | 03:42 |
| mkrai | I have an objection using nova-docker as it is not maintained anymore | 03:43 |
| hongbin | mkrai: that is something similar as how a instance is created in nova | 03:43 |
| haiwei | hongbin, have a question, both the sandbox container and zun container will be created on the same host(vm or baremetel)? | 03:43 |
| hongbin | sudipto: the code to allocate IP address, securtiy group, firewall | 03:43 |
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| hongbin | haiwei: yes, they have to be in the same host | 03:44 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: want to listen to your opinions more, what are the disadvantages of depending on nova? | 03:45 |
| haiwei | hongbin, so can zun takes over that sandbox container directly, not create a new one again | 03:45 |
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| sudipto | hongbin, depending on if we are using nova-docker - it has not future. IF we have problems with the nova code that we will use for containers - we are in trouble again. | 03:46 |
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| sudipto | Lest - if someone just wants to use zun - they will have to install nova as well | 03:46 |
| hongbin | haiwei: i think no, zun will create another container in the namespace of the sandbox container | 03:46 |
| hongbin | sudipto: i see | 03:47 |
| mkrai | sudipto, I think it will be important to install nova anyhow, may be in future we would need it to run host for our containers | 03:47 |
| sudipto | mkrai, run host means? | 03:48 |
| mkrai | Personally I feel its ok to reuse nova code | 03:48 |
| mkrai | sudipto, VMs where we run our containers | 03:48 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: to address your concern about dependency on nova, i revised the proposal as follow | 03:48 |
| hongbin | sudipto: introduce a sandbox driver, where could have multiple implementation, and nova is hte default implementation | 03:49 |
| hongbin | sudipto: would that address your concern? | 03:49 |
| sudipto | hongbin, yeah that works :-) | 03:49 |
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| hongbin | cool | 03:50 |
| sudipto | in the world of pluggable configurations - everything seems to fit in well :D | 03:50 |
| sudipto | mkrai, running containers inside VMs doesn't mean our code has to dependent on the guy who creates the container IMHO. | 03:50 |
| sudipto | but we are kinda settled on this now! Thanks! | 03:50 |
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| hongbin | any other question / concern about this proposal? | 03:51 |
| mkrai | I will have a look at the spec | 03:51 |
| mkrai | Thanks hongbin | 03:52 |
| hongbin | mkrai: yes, i will revise the spec later | 03:52 |
| hongbin | and discuss it again if there is any concern | 03:52 |
| hongbin | ok, that's it for this topic | 03:52 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:53 |
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| hongbin | any other topic that needs to be discussed? | 03:53 |
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| hongbin | if nothing, let's end this meeting a little earlier | 03:54 |
| haiwei | nope | 03:54 |
| hongbin | thanks all for joining this meeting, the next meeting is next week the same time | 03:54 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:54 |
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| Namrata | thanks.. | 03:54 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 13 03:54:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-09-13-03.00.html | 03:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-09-13-03.00.txt | 03:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-09-13-03.00.log.html | 03:54 |
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| eranrom | #startmeeting storlets | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 13 08:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eranrom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storlets)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storlets' | 08:00 |
| eranrom | Hi | 08:00 |
| takashi | Hi | 08:00 |
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| eranrom | Congrats for our first official meeting :-) | 08:01 |
| eranrom | takashi: Do you know it Kota plans on joining? | 08:01 |
| takashi | eranrom: yes! :-) | 08:01 |
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| takashi | eranrom: I don't know. | 08:02 |
| eranrom | takashi: ok, so lets start | 08:02 |
| eranrom | #topic python update | 08:02 |
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| takashi | eranrom: maybe we need to ping him in storlets channel | 08:02 |
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| eranrom | takashi: good idea. | 08:02 |
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| takashi | eranrom: I think we can go ahead. I already shared the current status about python storlet work to him. | 08:03 |
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| eranrom | takashi: ok, sure. So I see that the next step is the StorageFile calss. | 08:04 |
| eranrom | I will review | 08:04 |
| eranrom | That is: | 08:04 |
| eranrom | #action eranrom to review Add StorletFile class: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367560/ | 08:04 |
| takashi | eranrom: thanks | 08:05 |
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| eranrom | takashi: Do you want to land the doc patch and do the Application doc in a follow up? | 08:05 |
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| takashi | eranrom: IMO it is better to write doc based on that StorletFile interface | 08:06 |
| takashi | if we do not have big objections on it | 08:06 |
| eranrom | #agreed | 08:06 |
| takashi | so I'd like to land StorletFile class first, and submit a doc to depend on that change | 08:07 |
| eranrom | takashi: sure. anything else on the topic? | 08:07 |
| takashi | eranrom: no big other things now. After we land doc changes, I'll work about remaining items listed on the python-storlet etherpad | 08:08 |
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| eranrom | takashi: ok, great. I will move to the next topic then. | 08:09 |
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| eranrom | #topic bit tent work | 08:09 |
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| eranrom | First, thanks for the Java coding style patch | 08:09 |
| eranrom | I guess its high time we added a style check for java | 08:09 |
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| takashi | eranrom: ++ | 08:10 |
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| eranrom | Still, I guess we first need to replace the build.xml with a pythonic build | 08:10 |
| takashi | it was not so hard work to replace tabs as expected, because I can use sed for that :-) | 08:10 |
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| takashi | eranrom: agree | 08:10 |
| eranrom | takashi: right, the thing is, there was a mixture of spaces and tabs with IMO sometimes 8 spaces per tab and sometimes 4 - agrrrr | 08:11 |
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| eranrom | Also there is 367477 which IMO will be the next step | 08:12 |
| eranrom | 367477 Create storlets package | 08:13 |
| * eranrom acting as patchbot | 08:13 | |
| takashi | eranrom: I'm drafting some patches to integrate all build stuffs into setup.py | 08:14 |
| takashi | This one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367477/ | 08:14 |
| takashi | and this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368177/ | 08:14 |
| takashi | IMO, we can integrate buiding/installing of c/java module to setup.py using Extentions | 08:14 |
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| eranrom | takashi: I thought Extensions only support c, but will recheck | 08:15 |
| takashi | eranrom: I still need to check that, or at least I think we can kick some script, maybe. | 08:15 |
| eranrom | If indeed Extensions support c only, there is another trick to extend the default behavior of the setup process to add arbitrary functionality | 08:15 |
| takashi | eranrom: yes | 08:16 |
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| takashi | I think it does not take so much time to create the setup.py mechanism itself, | 08:16 |
| takashi | but I need more time to update ansible playbook based on that. | 08:17 |
| eranrom | takashi: what do you have in mind regarding the ansible part? | 08:17 |
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| takashi | eranrom: I'll first create a framework with single setup.py, and after that I'll try to address how we should update current ansible scripts | 08:19 |
| takashi | eranrom: At that time I'd like to ask you comments/help | 08:20 |
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| eranrom | takashi: ok, gotcha. So actually you are taking the setup.py action item :-) | 08:20 |
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| takashi | eranrom: I'll submit a draft of setup.py first, which at least passes unit tests (maybe updated version of 367477) | 08:21 |
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| eranrom | takashi: ok great thanks. | 08:21 |
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| * eranrom looking for something else to do. Ah - spark-storlets | 08:21 | |
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| eranrom | takashi: Will be looking out for the setup.py and review. | 08:22 |
| eranrom | Thanks! | 08:22 |
| takashi | talking about ansible, we still have another big one | 08:22 |
| takashi | functional tests on swift/keystone master | 08:23 |
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| takashi | EOL for Liberty is coming soon (when Newton is released), and at least we need to migrate to Mitaka or later | 08:24 |
| eranrom | takashi: right. The change itself is changing a single line of code in the storlet-swift-install repo. | 08:24 |
| eranrom | #action eranrom to make that change and see all hell breaks loose | 08:24 |
| takashi | Is there anything we need to do for keystone v3 before that migration? | 08:25 |
| takashi | keystone v3 API | 08:25 |
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| eranrom | takashi: Well, since keystone is backward compatible, we can start with Keystone master using v2 auth API and then migrate to V3 API | 08:26 |
| takashi | eranrom: ok | 08:26 |
| takashi | I'm just afraid we need to finish that work before the migration because I tried it and found it may take some time for me... :-( | 08:26 |
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| eranrom | takashi: I will need to update joss in between to support V3 API so that spark-storlets does not break | 08:26 |
| takashi | eranrom: great to hear that | 08:27 |
| eranrom | takashi: you mean that you tried Keystone master with v2 API and it did not work? | 08:27 |
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| takashi | eranrom: Akihito tried it and failed to run ansible scripts, because v2 API is disabled. I'm currently supposing he missed some configration to turn on v2. | 08:28 |
| takashi | v2 API | 08:28 |
| eranrom | takashi: could be. ok Let me do this in 2 steps (with a third one that follows): | 08:29 |
| eranrom | 1. Update to swift master | 08:29 |
| eranrom | 2. update to keystone master | 08:29 |
| eranrom | That is keystone master with v2 API | 08:29 |
| eranrom | 3. update joss / keystone V3 API | 08:29 |
| takashi | eranrom: makes sense | 08:29 |
| eranrom | takashi: next topic? | 08:30 |
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| takashi | eranrom: ok | 08:30 |
| eranrom | #topic java code style | 08:30 |
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| eranrom | I do not have much to say on the topic, other then it would be good to introduce so as not to loose the work on the tab expansion | 08:31 |
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| eranrom | which can be overriden by mistake if we do not have a stlyle checker | 08:32 |
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| eranrom | I will try to make progress on this next week | 08:32 |
| takashi | eranrom: totally agree | 08:33 |
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| eranrom | takashi: ok, anything else? | 08:33 |
| eranrom | #topic open discussion | 08:34 |
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| takashi | eranrom: As I added to the agenda, I think we need to care about long existing patches | 08:35 |
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| takashi | mainly I'm little bit warried about installation in docker patch, which exists long time on gerrit | 08:36 |
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| eranrom | takashi: right. We had a problem were I could not run this on my VM, and it took quite a while till be overcome all problems | 08:37 |
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| eranrom | In fact I spent a lot of time yesterday and today to | 08:37 |
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| eranrom | ignore last line | 08:37 |
| eranrom | Doron and I spent a lot of time finding this. | 08:37 |
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| eranrom | that is overcoming this problem | 08:37 |
| eranrom | Today I uploaded an updated patch, and Doron has fixed merge problems... | 08:38 |
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| eranrom | So hopefully it will land soon. | 08:38 |
| eranrom | Thanks very much for bringing this up. | 08:38 |
| eranrom | Looking at the other two. | 08:38 |
| takashi | eranrom: please ping me if you need some review | 08:39 |
| eranrom | takashi: sure, thanks | 08:39 |
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| takashi | about the other two things, I'll ask kota_'s plan. | 08:39 |
| eranrom | takashi: sure. Myimpression was that they are still W.I.P but please let me know is I got it wrong. | 08:40 |
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| takashi | If we start working about packaging, it may cause so may merge conflict on existin items | 08:40 |
| takashi | s/may/many | 08:41 |
| takashi | so I'd like to land things we can merge first, if we only have small improvements remaining. | 08:41 |
| eranrom | takashi: right. Good point! | 08:41 |
| takashi | eranrom: I'll have a meeting with kota_ this week, so will ask him there. | 08:42 |
| eranrom | takashi: ok please update me, in the meantime I will work on reviewing and landing all other stuff that AFAIK is not W.I.P and is not in conflict. | 08:43 |
| takashi | eranrom: ok, thanks | 08:43 |
| eranrom | takashi: Thanks for bringing up this topic | 08:44 |
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| eranrom | takashi: anything else for today? | 08:44 |
| takashi | eranrom: :-) | 08:44 |
| takashi | eranrom: no | 08:45 |
| takashi | I still need to update design summit etherpad, sorry. | 08:45 |
| takashi | I think I can take some time for that next week | 08:46 |
| eranrom | takashi: that's ok. Its not that urgent | 08:46 |
| eranrom | takashi: great. | 08:46 |
| eranrom | Thanks for joining (our first official meeting) | 08:46 |
| eranrom | See you on #openstack-storlets | 08:47 |
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| takashi | eranrom: thank you | 08:47 |
| eranrom | #endmeeting | 08:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 13 08:47:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2016/storlets.2016-09-13-08.00.html | 08:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2016/storlets.2016-09-13-08.00.txt | 08:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2016/storlets.2016-09-13-08.00.log.html | 08:47 |
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| saggi | #startmeeting karbor | 09:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 13 09:01:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is saggi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 09:01 |
| saggi | Hi everyone | 09:01 |
| zhonghua | hi | 09:01 |
| leon_wang | hi | 09:01 |
| chenying_ | hi | 09:01 |
| yuval | hey | 09:01 |
| xiangxinyong | hello | 09:01 |
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| saggi | Yinwei has a bunch of stuff in the agenda | 09:01 |
| saggi | does anyone know if she's coming? | 09:02 |
| leon_wang | saggi:she not here？ | 09:02 |
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| zhonghua | she will join in 10 mins | 09:02 |
| yuval | meanwhile, if anyone is lurking in #openstack-smaug, please leave that channel | 09:03 |
| leon_wang | today we'll have a lot to talk :) | 09:03 |
| saggi | #topic Decouple checkpoint API from provider API to become an standalone API(leon_wang) | 09:03 |
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| leon_wang | Here is the patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369170/ | 09:04 |
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| leon_wang | we can talk about it free | 09:05 |
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| saggi | leon_wang: I read it. I have to say that I don't agree with it. There is no way for us to decouple it from the provider since this is where the information is. | 09:05 |
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| zhonghua | as my email said, I am afraid of that there will be many impact points | 09:05 |
| leon_wang | saggi:why? | 09:05 |
| saggi | It's like accessing a file without knowing the directory | 09:05 |
| saggi | This is where the information is | 09:06 |
| saggi | querying all the providers can be done from the API or UI | 09:06 |
| chenying_ | What's your oppions about it. I think if this API is independent. we need think more about how to save checkpoint metadata/data to bank. | 09:06 |
| leon_wang | saggi:then we can create a new directory and we should do it. | 09:06 |
| saggi | I don't think you understand the analogy. | 09:06 |
| saggi | How do I know where to find a checkpoint id | 09:06 |
| saggi | I will have to check all the providers | 09:07 |
| saggi | We also don't guarantee that a checkpoint ID is unique between providers | 09:07 |
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| leon_wang | saggi:maybe you have a little misunderstand... | 09:08 |
| saggi | maybe | 09:08 |
| leon_wang | saggi:i don't mean to decouple all of it ,just api | 09:08 |
| zhonghua | leon_wang: what's your proposal? | 09:08 |
| yuval | we do have redundancy of parameters in checkpoint rest API | 09:09 |
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| zhonghua | leon_wang: what's your meaning? change the API file location? | 09:09 |
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| yuval | when you query checkpoints from a provider, provider_id is both in url and in request body | 09:09 |
| yuval | zhonghua: what impact points? | 09:09 |
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| zhipeng | i think what leon meant is that we have a seperate checkpoint api rather than have it all in the provider api | 09:10 |
| zhonghua | yuval: framewrok, model, I don't know | 09:10 |
| leon_wang | zhonghua:kinda, we can just add a database table to save the provider_id and some other parameters. | 09:10 |
| zhonghua | leon_wang: yes, we have. | 09:10 |
| saggi | I understood it's about removeing the paramter from the URI | 09:10 |
| saggi | we can remove it from the body but not the URI | 09:11 |
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| leon_wang | zhonghua:then we don't need to pass provider from client | 09:11 |
| chenying_ | Now if a tenant want query all the checkpoint which he create. He must know all the provider_id he have slected. If the checkpoint api is independent without provider_id, he can query the checkpoint with different provider at the same time. | 09:11 |
| saggi | I don't like being able to query all the banks at once | 09:12 |
| zhonghua | saggi: sounds not your understanding if i am correct. he wants to change the URI instend of parameter | 09:12 |
| saggi | they query could get stuck because one bank is inaccessible | 09:12 |
| saggi | and we could get duplicates | 09:12 |
| zhonghua | leon_wang: make sense | 09:12 |
| yuval | chenying_: he meant moving the provider id to the body of the request. the provider id is still required | 09:12 |
| leon_wang | yuval:yes | 09:13 |
| leon_wang | i don't mean to remove provider from checkpoint | 09:13 |
| chenying_ | oh just move the place of provider. | 09:13 |
| leon_wang | we can just save the provider_id when we create the checkpoint | 09:14 |
| saggi | I look at it like how swift users /{container}/{object} | 09:14 |
| chenying_ | What would be the benefit of moving the provider_id from url to post body? | 09:15 |
| saggi | It would just be harder to convery that it's mandatory | 09:15 |
| saggi | IMHO | 09:15 |
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| yinwei_lab | hi | 09:16 |
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| zhonghua | chenying_: that's the decouple meaning. I think | 09:16 |
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| leon_wang | chenying_:By definition in WIKI, Protection Provider is a composition of Protection Plugins covering supported resource types, and a Bank Plugin for persisting the data, whereas Checkpoint is the state, data, and metadata of protected resources, in a point of time. | 09:17 |
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| saggi | checkpoints are contained in a bank. But since a Bank doesn't have an explicit API entry the provider is the closest point | 09:18 |
| leon_wang | IMO,the checkpoint operation is some like plan | 09:18 |
| saggi | plans are local | 09:18 |
| saggi | they don't exist in the bank | 09:18 |
| zhipeng | saggi: but users do want to operate on the checkpoints right? | 09:18 |
| zhipeng | do all the CRUD operations | 09:19 |
| saggi | Similar to objects in swift | 09:19 |
| zhipeng | or if they have an orchestrator, it should be able to perform LCM of checkpoints in Karbor | 09:19 |
| yinwei_lab | zhipeng, the difference of checkpoints and plans is: checkpoints will be shared among karbors but plans won't | 09:19 |
| saggi | When you want to list a checkpoints you are actually listing a provider | 09:20 |
| saggi | similar to a container and ojects | 09:20 |
| leon_wang | saggi:And checkpoint may provide much more function later,why don't we do it now? | 09:20 |
| saggi | leon_wang: It's not a question of functionality. You can have all the functionality under any URI | 09:21 |
| saggi | the main issues is that | 09:21 |
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| saggi | GET /api/v1/checkpoints/ will never work | 09:21 |
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| saggi | only GET/api/v1/checkpoints/?provider_id=123 | 09:21 |
| saggi | this means you have a trivial endpoints that doesn't work | 09:21 |
| zhipeng | leon_wang meant he will still have the provider_id in the post body right ? | 09:22 |
| leon_wang | saggi:we can't remove the provider_id? | 09:22 |
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| leon_wang | zhipeng:yes | 09:22 |
| saggi | You can't query all the providers at once in the same call. It will mean that Karbor has to go list all the banks. | 09:22 |
| zhonghua | leon_wang: does that mean your proposal is only to change rest api? | 09:22 |
| leon_wang | saggi:we just move the provider_id to the body. | 09:22 |
| chenying_ | a provider_id mean a constant bank. Here the provider_id in the checkpoint api url mean this checkpoint data belong to this bank of provider. So I think it is reasonable. | 09:23 |
| zhipeng | zhonghua yes I think he might mean that | 09:23 |
| saggi | leon_wang: It still means that GET /api/v1/checkpoints can't just work | 09:23 |
| saggi | It's problematic to have such a simple thing not work. It's the first things people will try and do and it can't work. | 09:23 |
| leon_wang | saggi:even after we create a checkpoint API module? | 09:24 |
| zhonghua | zhipeng: ok, it makes sense | 09:24 |
| saggi | It can't logically work. Since if the user doesn't specify the provider_id we don't have enough information | 09:24 |
| saggi | also /api/v1/checkpints/123 is not unique | 09:24 |
| saggi | since we don't guarantee that IDs are unique across providers | 09:25 |
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| saggi | since a bank could have been cloned | 09:25 |
| saggi | So simple REST invariants are violated | 09:25 |
| saggi | This is why Swift did it | 09:25 |
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| saggi | *probably | 09:25 |
| zhonghua | saggi: the user can provide the provider_id via filling the request body parameter, if I understand correctly. :) | 09:26 |
| leon_wang | saggi: Sorry i stiil no get it why checkpoint is related a provider. | 09:27 |
| saggi | This is far from trivial or standard | 09:27 |
| leon_wang | saggi:why we can't promise it's unique? | 09:27 |
| saggi | leon_wang: Since the checkpoint sits in the bank which is part of the provider | 09:27 |
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| saggi | leon_wang: Since banks are not coordinated | 09:28 |
| leon_wang | saggi: but logically they don't belong. | 09:28 |
| saggi | leon_wang: What does not belong logically? | 09:28 |
| leon_wang | saggi:according to the wiki definition | 09:28 |
| saggi | According to the definition it's a group of plugins+bank | 09:29 |
| saggi | You can't directly access the bank | 09:29 |
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| saggi | so the only way to know what bank you are referring to is the provider | 09:29 |
| zengchen | saggi:IMO, from the user's perspective, they will query the checkpoints they create. at present, if they do so, they should query each provider one by one, which sounds not very reasonable. | 09:29 |
| leon_wang | saggi: we don't have to access the bank | 09:29 |
| yuval | zengchen: that is a must | 09:30 |
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| zengchen | yuval:why? that's too complex. | 09:30 |
| saggi | If they don't query one by one Karbor will have to do it. This might be problematic since one bank might be unresponsive and that means that requests will fail when the information the user needs might be there. | 09:31 |
| yinwei_lab | our checkpoints name space is divided by provider by design | 09:31 |
| zhonghua | zengchen: how to index the checkpoints? by tenant? | 09:31 |
| leon_wang | saggi:we can add a table, when user delete a checkpoint first it will go through the table to find provider_id | 09:31 |
| saggi | We can't user a database since it will only work for a single site | 09:31 |
| saggi | s/user/use | 09:31 |
| yuval | leon_wang: checkpoint already includes provider_id in it | 09:31 |
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| leon_wang | yuval:where? bank? | 09:32 |
| yuval | yes, in the checkpoint metadata | 09:32 |
| zengchen | zhonghua:would be better by user. | 09:33 |
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| leon_wang | yuval:i know what you mean, but the database table just save provider_id because API don't contain provider_id | 09:34 |
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| saggi | The api contains provider id it's part of the URI | 09:34 |
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| yuval | leon_wang: API contains provider_id. whether it is in the URL by the current API, or in the body as you suggest | 09:34 |
| leon_wang | yuval:yeah ,in the body | 09:35 |
| leon_wang | saggi: as long as the body contains provider_id, we can solve the problem about url. | 09:35 |
| saggi | leon_wang: You can't force the API user to add a body to the request. This is not how REST works. | 09:36 |
| saggi | You don't put a body on GET requests | 09:36 |
| saggi | s/can't/shouldn't | 09:36 |
| leon_wang | saggi:they just need the body when they create | 09:36 |
| chenying_ | You don't put a body on GET requests +1 | 09:36 |
| yuval | chenying_: yes, +1 | 09:37 |
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| leon_wang | saggi:other they don't need anything but checkpoint_id. | 09:37 |
| saggi | No, since /api/v1/checkpoints/123 will not work without use knowing in the request what provider id to use | 09:37 |
| saggi | We will not look at all the providers | 09:37 |
| saggi | And even if we do the ID is not unique | 09:38 |
| saggi | across providers | 09:38 |
| saggi | So we can't use it as an ID | 09:38 |
| leon_wang | saggi:when we create a checkpoint, we can save provider_id to the database besides the bank | 09:38 |
| saggi | leon_wang: We can't use a database since it's not synced across sites | 09:38 |
| zengchen | leon_wang:if you just want to move the provider id to the requst body, i can not see any benifit. | 09:39 |
| leon_wang | then other operations, it will at first get the provider_id. | 09:39 |
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| leon_wang | zengchen:no,that's not my point | 09:39 |
| leon_wang | saggi: what do you mean? | 09:40 |
| leon_wang | saggi: synced across sites? | 09:40 |
| zengchen | leon_wang:sorry, if i misunderstand you. | 09:40 |
| chenying_ | leon_wang: checkpoint metadata/data will be used in cross-restoration. So if the checkpoint api depend on the local database, I think it is not a good idea. | 09:40 |
| chenying_ | cross-site-restoration | 09:41 |
| zhonghua | chenying_:+1 | 09:41 |
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| zhonghua | what I am thinking about is the cross-site restoration senario. | 09:41 |
| saggi | leon_wang: I think we discussed this enough. I'll put a summary after the meeting on the blueprint and we can continue there. | 09:41 |
| saggi | We still have more topics than time | 09:41 |
| saggi | OK | 09:41 |
| saggi | ? | 09:41 |
| leon_wang | saggi: ok,thanks | 09:41 |
| saggi | #topic Enable ConsistencyGroup and full vm protection (snapshot/backup) through Karbor (yinwei) | 09:42 |
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| saggi | yinwei_lab: is there a BP? | 09:42 |
| yinwei_lab | not yet | 09:42 |
| yinwei_lab | talked this with ying, and I'm thinking we need enable this capability in our sample vm/volume plugins | 09:43 |
| yinwei_lab | what do you guys think about? | 09:43 |
| yinwei_lab | if it's agreed, I will go to draft the bp | 09:43 |
| saggi | yinwei_lab: Maybe for O cycle. We are still struggling with regular VM backup | 09:44 |
| saggi | But put the BP up | 09:44 |
| yinwei_lab | thanks! | 09:44 |
| saggi | We need to start having concrete things before bcn | 09:44 |
| saggi | Too bad most of you guys won't make it | 09:45 |
| yinwei_lab | we will come for a bp | 09:45 |
| zhonghua | yinwei_lab: agree | 09:45 |
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| yinwei_lab | if the bp is agreed, we will go to implement it | 09:45 |
| yuval | yinwei_lab: what do you mean by 'full vm protection'? | 09:45 |
| yinwei_lab | :) | 09:45 |
| zhonghua | saggi:+1 | 09:45 |
| saggi | #topic Enable replicate protection plugin(yinwei) | 09:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Enable replicate protection plugin(yinwei) (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:45 | |
| yuval | yinwei_lab: nvm, let's speak afterwads | 09:45 |
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| yinwei_lab | same status as above | 09:46 |
| saggi | I think this is the same as the previous topic | 09:46 |
| saggi | Sure | 09:46 |
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| yinwei_lab | but there's a problem for replicate | 09:46 |
| saggi | #topic Add a dict type parameter for Protectable Instances API (chenying) | 09:46 |
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| yinwei_lab | how to catch a checkpoint for replication? | 09:46 |
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| saggi | chenying ... | 09:47 |
| chenying_ | I have expain it why I need add parameter for this api in the wiki page. | 09:47 |
| saggi | For the public API? | 09:47 |
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| chenying_ | yes | 09:47 |
| saggi | It seems like a good suggestion but what I'm missing is how it all fits in the user-story | 09:48 |
| saggi | Do we use it during plan building? | 09:48 |
| chenying_ | one scenario is cross-region-query-instance. | 09:48 |
| yuval | chenying_: are the only 2 use cases right now are region and vendor auth? | 09:48 |
| chenying_ | yes | 09:48 |
| chenying_ | yuval:yes | 09:49 |
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| chenying_ | I will submit a bp about it. What's your oppions about it. | 09:50 |
| yuval | chenying_: I belive there is a room for it, but a user will have to know what parameters to pass | 09:50 |
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| saggi | I also have trouble seeing how dashboard integration would work | 09:51 |
| chenying_ | cross-region-query-instanc may also consider how to protect the instance in different region. | 09:51 |
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| chenying_ | saggi: we may need define the certain key of the parameter. | 09:53 |
| chenying_ | saggi: I will discuss this with xinyong. | 09:53 |
| saggi | chenying, it's a good idea but we need more specifics. I think a BP is in order and make sure xiangxinyong also signs off on it. | 09:53 |
| xiangxinyong | saggi, chenying: ok | 09:53 |
| xiangxinyong | we will discuss the bp together | 09:54 |
| chenying_ | Ok I will submit a bp later. | 09:54 |
| saggi | chenying thanks. | 09:54 |
| saggi | #topic open discussion | 09:55 |
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| saggi | We have only 5 minutes | 09:55 |
| yuval | well | 09:55 |
| saggi | So any last words? | 09:55 |
| leon_wang | saggi:sorry ,my bad. | 09:55 |
| yinwei_lab | zhonghua, you guys won't go to bcn? | 09:55 |
| saggi | leon_wang: np | 09:55 |
| zhonghua | yinwei_lab:not sure | 09:55 |
| yuval | leon_wang: good to see you on the irc meetings | 09:55 |
| zhonghua | yinwei_lab:how about you? | 09:56 |
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| leon_wang | saggi: I will modify further, we can talk about it later, ok? | 09:56 |
| saggi | leon_wang: Sure, np | 09:56 |
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| yinwei_lab | zhonghua: not sure, I still suffers with my passport | 09:56 |
| yuval | I just want to say thanks for zhangshuai and xiangxinyong, they are doing many reviews | 09:56 |
| xiangxinyong | thanks yuval | 09:56 |
| leon_wang | saggi:i also have a question about restore api | 09:56 |
| saggi | leon_wang: shoot | 09:57 |
| leon_wang | why it have delete in client but not in api? | 09:57 |
| zhangshuai | thanks for yuval | 09:57 |
| yuval | and zhangshuai did a great work on docs and api | 09:57 |
| saggi | leon_wang: I don't understand the question | 09:57 |
| leon_wang | yuval:+1 | 09:57 |
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| chenying_ | zhangshuai: good job! | 09:58 |
| zhonghua | zhangshuai xiangxinyong: thanks | 09:58 |
| leon_wang | saggi: i will submit a patch later. | 09:58 |
| zhangshuai | thanks | 09:58 |
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| saggi | Is that all? | 09:58 |
| leon_wang | yup | 09:58 |
| saggi | #endmeeting | 09:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 13 09:59:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-09-13-09.01.html | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-09-13-09.01.txt | 09:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2016/karbor.2016-09-13-09.01.log.html | 09:59 |
| saggi | Thanks everybody | 09:59 |
| leon_wang | thanks saggi | 09:59 |
| leon_wang | saggi: really thank you :) | 10:00 |
| xiangxinyong | bue | 10:00 |
| xiangxinyong | bye | 10:00 |
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| guoshan | hi | 13:00 |
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| guoshan | senlin weekly meeting tonight? | 13:01 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 13 13:02:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:03 |
| Qiming | hi, sorry for being late | 13:03 |
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| lixinhui_ | hi | 13:03 |
| elynn | Hi | 13:03 |
| guoshan | hi, everyone | 13:03 |
| Qiming | hi, everyone | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | please let me know if you have topics to discuss | 13:04 |
| ruijie_ | Evening, everyone | 13:04 |
| Qiming | welcome, guoshan and ruijie_ | 13:04 |
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| Qiming | meeting agenda here | 13:04 |
| Qiming | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda#Weekly_Senlin_.28Clustering.29_meeting | 13:04 |
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| Qiming | let's start with the newton work items etherpad | 13:05 |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-newton-workitems | 13:05 |
| ruijie_ | Will we talked about the desired_capacity today? | 13:05 |
| Qiming | yes, we can | 13:05 |
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| Qiming | added to meeting agenda | 13:06 |
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| Qiming | I'm not aware of any progress in performance test during last week | 13:06 |
| Qiming | yanyan is on vacation | 13:06 |
| Qiming | he has been pushing the rally side on this | 13:07 |
| Qiming | health management, no new patches related to this topic either | 13:07 |
| Qiming | lixinhui_, the lb bug closed or not? | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | closed for Octavia | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | I will change the status for that bug | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | but for others not | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | depends on driver | 13:08 |
| elynn | So if we use haproxy then we will encounter this bug? | 13:09 |
| Qiming | okay, so we still cannot get node status correct? | 13:09 |
| lixinhui_ | and neutron team is pushing change towards Octvia from lbaas | 13:09 |
| lixinhui_ | Nowdays | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | okay, fine, cannot rely on non-stable features there | 13:09 |
| Qiming | we may have to postpone this feature to Ocata cycle then | 13:10 |
| lixinhui_ | once the node status change, octavia will send RPC call to lbaas for it to change the da status | 13:10 |
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| lixinhui_ | but not implement the notify | 13:10 |
| Qiming | it is a very useful feature, realy hope that can be landed and get stabilized soon | 13:10 |
| lixinhui_ | just PPC call | 13:10 |
| lixinhui_ | RPC call | 13:11 |
| Qiming | but can we get pollers work? | 13:11 |
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| lixinhui_ | oh, I see. will try this in vacation | 13:11 |
| lixinhui_ | middle-autumn | 13:11 |
| Qiming | many thanks | 13:12 |
| lixinhui_ | np | 13:12 |
| Qiming | documentation side, we have merged quite some doc fixes recently, about syntax and grammar | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | other than that, no new docs added | 13:12 |
| Qiming | one thing I just realized is about testing | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | we do have testing section in the developer's guide | 13:13 |
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| Qiming | but we failed to let people know we have a cloud_backend = openstack_test option | 13:13 |
| Qiming | that should be added | 13:13 |
| Qiming | added this item to etherpad for tracking | 13:14 |
| Qiming | container profile | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | haiwei has commited some patches about node/cluster dependencies | 13:14 |
| Qiming | our discussion concluded that these dependencies can be generalized | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | so there have been db level and engine level patches | 13:15 |
| Qiming | there are still a few patches about this to be reviewed | 13:15 |
| Qiming | pls spend sometime on this when you are not so busy | 13:15 |
| Qiming | zaqar receiver | 13:16 |
| Qiming | the whole invocation flow is working | 13:16 |
| Qiming | the most tricky part is about trust building | 13:16 |
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| Qiming | an end user trusts 'senlin' account to perform cluster operations | 13:16 |
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| Qiming | and he/she would trust 'zaqar' account to trigger such operations by sending in some messages | 13:17 |
| Qiming | the trust between the requesting user and the 'senlin' account is much easier, thus solved a long time ago | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | the other one means we have to know zaqar user id to build such a trust | 13:18 |
| Qiming | yanyan has worked out a solution there, so no worries | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | the current vision is that zaqar will enable more flexible action triggering if used properly | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | next topic is event/notification | 13:19 |
| Qiming | no progress I'm aware of | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | I myself have been tweaking nova server profile update recently | 13:19 |
| Qiming | buiding a long chain of patches | 13:19 |
| Qiming | the goal is to make profile update more reliable and maintainable | 13:20 |
| Qiming | also applied some optimizations related to name update or password update etc. | 13:20 |
| Qiming | that's all about newton work items etherpad | 13:20 |
| Qiming | questions/comments? | 13:21 |
| elynn | I'm a little concern about zaqar part | 13:21 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:21 |
| elynn | since not all users will enable zaqar in their openstack | 13:21 |
| Qiming | right | 13:22 |
| elynn | Is it better to provide an option to enable/disable it in senlin? | 13:22 |
| Qiming | good question | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | but I hate options, which may get deprecated later | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | how about we do a check at api layer | 13:23 |
| elynn | That sounds great | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | if you are creating a message type of receiver, and we know zaqar is not installed, we throw some exception? | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | we cannot do this by simply checking if zaqar is installed on the local machine | 13:24 |
| elynn | service unavailable or bad request? | 13:25 |
| Qiming | we should check keystone service catalog | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | should be a bad request of something 4xx | 13:25 |
| elynn | Yes | 13:25 |
| Qiming | it is definitely not a 5xx error | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | added an item | 13:26 |
| Qiming | won't be a huge task | 13:26 |
| elynn | en, bad request is better | 13:26 |
| Qiming | anything else? | 13:27 |
| elynn | nope from me. | 13:27 |
| ruijie_ | For the desired_capacity... | 13:28 |
| ruijie_ | If we do not specified the max and min size | 13:28 |
| Qiming | ruijie_, we leave that to the next topic | 13:28 |
| ruijie_ | Sorry about that. | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | #topic planning for RC release | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | any high priority bugs seen recently? | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | https://bugs.launchpad.net/senlin/+bug/1619842 | 13:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1619842 in senlin "after cluster-check, the status of cluster is warning" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to miaohb (miao-hongbao) | 13:29 |
| Qiming | this one should be already closed ... | 13:29 |
| Qiming | anyone looking at this #1546960 | 13:31 |
| Qiming | bug #1546960 | 13:31 |
| openstack | bug 1546960 in senlin "node-create's index will be -1 if create more than 1 node,then cluster-node-add will fail as well" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1546960 | 13:31 |
| Qiming | lixinhui_, is the 'idontknow' you? | 13:31 |
| lixinhui_ | No, Qiming ... | 13:32 |
| Qiming | en, youdontknow | 13:32 |
| ruijie_ | I did not reproduce the situation the bug describled | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | thanks ruijie_, for confirmation | 13:33 |
| Qiming | marking as incomplete for now | 13:33 |
| Qiming | bug #1609244 | 13:33 |
| openstack | bug 1609244 in senlin "Getting image authentication failed when use fernet in keystone" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1609244 | 13:33 |
| Qiming | this one seems fixed, it was a keystone configuration problem | 13:33 |
| Qiming | I'm gonna cut RC1 this week, probably on Thursday | 13:34 |
| Qiming | if you have got any patches you want a review please speak up on #senlin channel | 13:35 |
| Qiming | #topic dealing with desired_capacity | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | ruijie_, room is yours | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | ruijie_, still awake? | 13:37 |
| ruijie_ | yea, the eval)stauts() will check the desired_capacity | 13:37 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:37 |
| ruijie_ | if we do not specified the max and min size of the cluster | 13:37 |
| Qiming | you get min_size=0, max_size = -1 | 13:37 |
| ruijie_ | this method weill change the reason to ' number of active nodes is above desired_capacity' | 13:38 |
| ruijie_ | is that ok? | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | yes, it means the cluster is operational, just may be wasting some additional resources | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | having the number of active nodes equal to the desired_capacity would be great | 13:39 |
| ruijie_ | That's true | 13:40 |
| ruijie_ | The number of active nodes is equal to desired_Capacity | 13:40 |
| ruijie_ | but the max_size is sitll -1 | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | but if we only set cluster status to 'ACTIVE' when that number is exactly desired_capacity, we may be a little too restrictive | 13:41 |
| Qiming | max_size means no upper limit | 13:41 |
| Qiming | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/senlin/tree/senlin/engine/cluster.py#n551 | 13:42 |
| ruijie_ | I understand that, but I think the reason of should be more friendly | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | that whole condition is about desired_capacity <= current capacity <= max_size | 13:43 |
| Qiming | or if max_size is set to -1, there is no limit | 13:44 |
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| ruijie_ | Ok. I get it | 13:45 |
| Qiming | feel free to propose a better description when you get one | 13:45 |
| Qiming | :) | 13:45 |
| Qiming | when speaking of desired_capacity | 13:45 |
| ruijie_ | Sure :) | 13:46 |
| Qiming | I'm gonna work on that during the coming week | 13:46 |
| Qiming | the change would be about all cluster operations | 13:46 |
| Qiming | especially those that change the size of a cluster | 13:46 |
| Qiming | the goal is to make sure all operations are based on currently observed number of nodes, not desired capacity | 13:47 |
| ruijie_ | Yes, that will be good for the Healty Manager | 13:47 |
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| Qiming | say if you have a cluster of 3 nodes, and your desired_capacity is 5 | 13:47 |
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| Qiming | fine, cluster is in WARNING status | 13:47 |
| Qiming | when I do scale out | 13:47 |
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| Qiming | I'll use the observed 3 nodes as the basis | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | we are not basing the resize operation on the desired_capacity | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | 'desired_capacity' of a cluster is always a "desired", not the reality | 13:49 |
| ruijie_ | and recalculate the desired_capacity or not? | 13:49 |
| Qiming | if not for senlinclient being freezed, I'm even thinking of adding a 'active_nodes' property to a cluster | 13:49 |
| Qiming | ruijie_, will recalculate | 13:49 |
| Qiming | using the above example | 13:50 |
| Qiming | you have 3 nodes, your previous desire was 5 (not realized) | 13:50 |
| Qiming | now you say 'cluster-scale-out -c 3' | 13:50 |
| Qiming | that means you will want the cluster to have 6 nodes, your new desire | 13:50 |
| Qiming | senlin will try its best to achieve that | 13:50 |
| Qiming | but ... in real world, you may still have 3 nodes, or maybe just 4, because you have running out of quota or resources ... | 13:51 |
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| Qiming | so, yes, desired_capacity will always describe your new desire | 13:51 |
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| Qiming | it will be changed | 13:52 |
| ruijie_ | how does senlin treat the ERROR nodes when we do a 'SCALE_OUT' action | 13:52 |
| Qiming | no matter the operation/action succeeded or not | 13:52 |
| Qiming | we leave them there | 13:52 |
| ruijie_ | I know senlin will delete ERROR nodes first when we do a 'SCALE_IN' | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | that's a good question, I haven't thought it thru yet | 13:53 |
| Qiming | maybe add a cluster-reset operation, delete all inactive nodes? | 13:53 |
| Qiming | not sure | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | cluster-delete-all-inactive-or-error-or-warning-nodes? | 13:54 |
| ruijie_ | Maybe just let the user deside how to treat them | 13:54 |
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| Qiming | yup, will keep working on that when I finish the desired_capacity one | 13:54 |
| Qiming | #topic open discussion | 13:54 |
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| Qiming | anything for a quick discussion? | 13:56 |
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| ruijie_ | nope from me | 13:56 |
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| Qiming | okay, thanks everyone | 13:57 |
| Qiming | best wishes to you and your family, ... | 13:58 |
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| lixinhui_ | u2 | 13:58 |
| Qiming | it's mid-autumn season | 13:58 |
| Qiming | thanks for joining, see you | 13:58 |
| lixinhui_ | cu | 13:58 |
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| guoshan | good night, and have fun in festival days | 13:58 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 13 13:58:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-09-13-13.02.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-09-13-13.02.txt | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-09-13-13.02.log.html | 13:58 |
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| jschwarz | \o/ | 14:00 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting networking | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 13 14:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| ajo_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:01 | |
| ihrachys | hello everyone :) | 14:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 14:01 |
| jlibosva | hello | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:01 |
| hichihara | o/ | 14:01 |
| njohnston | Hi! | 14:01 |
| ajo_ | Hi :) | 14:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:01 |
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| electrocucaracha | o/ | 14:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:01 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 14:01 |
| alraddarla_ | hi | 14:01 |
| jschwarz | hey guys | 14:01 |
| korzen_ | hello | 14:01 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:01 | |
| ihrachys | friendly reminder we are into RC1 release week | 14:01 |
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| ihrachys | meaning, we don't generally land anything except things meant for Newton ('meant' as in 'targeted for RC1 in Launchpad and approved by your PTL) | 14:02 |
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| ihrachys | I will send a release request just after the meeting | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | (will post the link in #openstack-neutron when it's up) | 14:03 |
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| ihrachys | once it's up, please put patches you think are almost ready and will land the tree quickly in the comments. | 14:03 |
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| ihrachys | (I will put the release request to WIP) | 14:03 |
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| ihrachys | we'll collect candidate links and see what we can fit in | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | anyhow, rc1 happens this week, meaning the master branch will be open for Ocata this week too | 14:04 |
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| ihrachys | this is also nomination week | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103115.html | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | the link points to a proposal to add a 'release steward' role to projects | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | anyhow, we will still need a PTL, so if someone feels like stepping in, it's your time | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | (not here, in openstack-dev@) | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | :) | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | finally, don't forget to update Newton post mortem: #topic Blueprints | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | ouch | 14:06 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360207/ post-mortem | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | #topic Blueprints | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:06 | |
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| ihrachys | nothing specific here, just a note that armax cleaned up Newton dashboard | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/newton-rc1 | 14:07 |
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| ihrachys | it should now be completely relevant to Newton, so reviewers should use the dashboard to prioritize their last reviews for N | 14:07 |
| ihrachys | as for other blueprints that were targeted before for N, they are rolling into O (obviously) | 14:08 |
| ihrachys | we may want to untarget some of those that don't show much progress last several cycles. | 14:08 |
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| ihrachys | for non-obsolete specs you may have in neutron-specs, make sure you retarget them to Ocata too | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | #topic Bugs | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:09 | |
| ihrachys | that week it was jschwarz as the bug deputy | 14:09 |
| jschwarz | Hello :) | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | jschwarz: things we should care about? | 14:10 |
| jschwarz | there were a huge amount of bugs opened last week and all those who've gotten my attention has either been fixed or is being worked on | 14:10 |
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| jschwarz | there are 3 un-triaged bugs from this week that are yet untriaged (I'm not aware of a bug deputy this week): | 14:11 |
| jschwarz | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1622654 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1622917 https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1580648 | 14:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1622654 in neutron "Security Group doesn't work if the specific allowed-address-pairs value is set" [Undecided,New] | 14:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1622917 in neutron "Failed to update router to ha mode when overlapping is disabled" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to lavanya (lavanya-annam) | 14:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580648 in neutron "Two HA routers in master state during functional test" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 14:11 |
| jschwarz | that's about it :) | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | right, don't we have anyone picked the last time? | 14:11 |
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| jschwarz | ihrachys, I'm not aware of a new assignee | 14:11 |
| mlavalle | there was no meeting last week due to US holiday | 14:11 |
| jschwarz | ahah! | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | oh right, no meeting, that's why | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | ok, we need someone for this and next weeks | 14:12 |
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| ihrachys | I can do the next one | 14:13 |
| ihrachys | who's for this week? | 14:13 |
| * ihrachys snoozes | 14:14 | |
| hichihara | OK. I can. | 14:14 |
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| ihrachys | hichihara: you won the prize! thanks! | 14:14 |
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| hichihara | :) | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | hichihara: please update the agenda page to include your name for this week | 14:15 |
| hichihara | ihrachys: Sure | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | hichihara: while at it, maybe put me for the next one. thanks. | 14:15 |
| jschwarz | hichihara, thanks for stepping up - see the 3 bugs I posted before as they are from the past days and aren't yet triaged :) | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | hichihara: please make sure you triage the three bugs that jschwarz pointed out above | 14:15 |
| hichihara | Sure. I will. | 14:16 |
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| matrohon | hi | 14:16 |
| matrohon | any chance we target newton for this bug : https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1537091 | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1537091 in neutron "Prevent the attachment of a subnet to a router" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Mathieu Rohon (mathieu-rohon) | 14:16 |
| matrohon | ? | 14:16 |
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| matrohon | its is needed for net-bgpvpn to fix a bug properly | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | matrohon: I see the fix, and should be easy to review. let's target it though it may be best effort. | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | done | 14:18 |
| matrohon | ihrachys, thanks | 14:18 |
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| ihrachys | ok, if folks have more candidates for RC1, ping me or armax in the usual channel | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | please don't target every single bug to rc1 yourself though :) | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | #topic Gate failures | 14:19 |
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| ihrachys | #link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=5&fullscreen Integrated Tempest Grafana | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | I see -dvr is not particularly happy. | 14:19 |
| ihrachys | haleyb: do we have an idea what's up with it? | 14:19 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: let me look, seemed fine yesterday i thought | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | if I choose 7 days frame, it seems it started around 00:00 9/13 | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | anyhow, if folks see a failure in any of jobs, please make sure it's reported | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure | 14:21 |
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| ihrachys | before blindly rechecking | 14:21 |
| haleyb | i'll see what merged that might have broken something once i find a gate failure on that job | 14:22 |
| ihrachys | ok, thanks | 14:23 |
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| ihrachys | folks, please check the list of gate-failure bugs to see if anything seems related to your latest landings :) | 14:23 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Docs | 14:24 |
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| ihrachys | we have quite some doc bugs in the queue | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=doc | 14:25 |
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| ihrachys | again, let's clean those up before the final release. I hope folks who pushed DocImpact patches will help with cleaning up that list. | 14:25 |
| ihrachys | #topic Transition to OSC | 14:26 |
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| ihrachys | rtheis: are you closed for Newton now? | 14:26 |
| rtheis | Yes | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | rtheis: I see someone on post mortem suggested we can backport some neutron bits to stable/newton. is it correct? | 14:27 |
| rtheis | Here is the release notes http://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/python-openstackclient/newton.html | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | I mean this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360207/9/specs/newton/postmortem/postmortem.rst@506 | 14:27 |
| amotoki | I think OSC has been closed for Newton. new features cannot be backported to stable/newton. right? | 14:27 |
| rtheis | ihrachys: yes, osc generally doesn't do backports but could consider | 14:27 |
| rtheis | exceptions should be discussed with dtroyer and stevemar | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: assuming they have stable:follows-policy governance tag, I would think no, they can't | 14:28 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: that's my understanding. just I would like to confrim it again. | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | I don't immediately see why we really want to push for those backports. I guess I miss something. | 14:29 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I guess we will discuss Ocata plans in some more details some next meeting when masters are open | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | #topic Moving to Keystone v3 API in Neutron | 14:30 |
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| amotoki | For Ocata release, we really would like to mark Neutron CLi as deprecated. Let's use OSC and report missing features! | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: what's there? I saw some patches flying re keystone3 | 14:30 |
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| amotoki | ihrachys: sorry . it's about CLI stuff | 14:30 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: np, that was clear :) | 14:31 |
| amotoki | re keystone v3 stuff, project_id support in API just has been merged. | 14:31 |
| amotoki | it allows API users to use project_id and tenant_id equivalently. | 14:32 |
| amotoki | if you find some bugs, file a bug! | 14:32 |
| ihrachys | I see matrohon complaining about some tests failing in their gate in our channel as we speak! :) | 14:32 |
| matrohon | ihrachys, I'm always complaining :) | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | I also saw midonet needed to modify their devstack plugin somehow | 14:33 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369229/ | 14:33 |
| matrohon | the issue for net-bgpvpn is taht project_id is added automatically in the dict resulting from an API call | 14:34 |
| HenryG | That just seems to be midonet's way of keeping up with new extensions | 14:34 |
| amotoki | there might be missing ponits related to project-id or usage of project-id extension. | 14:34 |
| matrohon | and we are testing results of API calls... | 14:34 |
| amotoki | matrohon: is it a problem? | 14:35 |
| matrohon | amotoki, we need to accomodate, since the asserting concerning the result is not true anymore | 14:35 |
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| amotoki | matrohon: ah... i got it. you are checking all of responses. | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | ok cool. | 14:36 |
| matrohon | amotoki, yep | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: do you envision anything that we should squeeze into N? | 14:36 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: about keystone v3 stuff? | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | yea | 14:37 |
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| amotoki | honestly we don't need to rush it in newton. | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | well we kinda did by landing api change, didn't we? :) | 14:38 |
| amotoki | yes. it is a API change. I thought it does not affect anything as it is additive change, but the really is not. | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | huh. | 14:39 |
| amotoki | anyway we need to talk it with armax | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | but now that we landed it, I merely want us to not leave the release with a partial feature that crashes and misbehaves. so if you know about upcoming bug fixes for the feature, please raise them in release request I will push shortly. | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | #topic Neutron-lib | 14:41 |
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| ihrachys | I don't believe it's under active tracking right now because Newton branch and release was cut off a while ago. | 14:41 |
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| ihrachys | HenryG: right? should we skip? | 14:41 |
| HenryG | On the back-burner until Ocata revs up | 14:41 |
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| ihrachys | aye | 14:42 |
| ihrachys | #topic On Demand Agenda | 14:42 |
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| ihrachys | I see "Distributed gateway for optimized local SNAT" by ishafran | 14:42 |
| ihrachys | from the gist of the question, it seems like a question that is better addressed to neutron-drivers though. all RFEs/blueprints are supervised by the group. | 14:43 |
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| ihrachys | I also don't see the author | 14:43 |
| ihrachys | anything else folks want to discuss? | 14:43 |
| ihrachys | ok then, we'll meet next week on Monday then. see ya all | 14:44 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| electrocucaracha | thanks ihrachys | 14:44 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 13 14:44:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-09-13-14.01.html | 14:44 |
| njohnston | thanks ihrachys! | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-09-13-14.01.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-09-13-14.01.log.html | 14:44 |
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| dasanind_ | thanks ihrachys | 14:44 |
| hichihara | bye | 14:44 |
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| carl_baldwin | hi | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:00 |
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| rtheis | hi | 15:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: rtheis: haleyb: hi | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | john-davidge told me that he would have to miss today. | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyone else around? | 15:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Let's get going... | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_routed_networks | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 13 15:02:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_routed_networks' | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcemestn | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | #undo | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | That's better | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | RC1 will be today, I think. | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | If I recall, RC1 is usually when the branch is cut and the master branch opens for the next cycle. | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | It'd be cool to start getting some things lined up soon. But, I know there are some things still to wrap up (e.g. tests and docs) | 15:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Summit is approaching fast. | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any other announcements? | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | PTL nomination ends 2016-09-18, 23:45 UTC | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | That's this Sunday. | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic patches | 15:06 |
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| haleyb | doesn't look like any hats are in the ring yet | 15:06 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link haleyb nope | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Ah | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+(topic:bp/routed-networks+OR+topic:bp/neutron-routed-networks+OR+topic:bp/service-subnets) | 15:07 |
| carl_baldwin | I think we got everything that I wanted merged for Newton done. | 15:08 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | That's pretty cool. | 15:08 |
| carl_baldwin | Does anyone have patches that need some attention? | 15:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: How are the testing patches coming along? | 15:09 |
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| mlavalle | we are making good progress | 15:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | I see that amuller has given them some attention. That is great, thanks amuller | 15:09 |
| mlavalle | the scenario test is running reliably now in our vagrant environment | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | amuller pointed correcty to the next challenge | 15:10 |
| mlavalle | which is to make it runable more generallly | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | in any environment | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | we will address that this week | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | Makes sense. | 15:11 |
| carl_baldwin | Sounds like progress. | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | I also started a conversation with clarkb about getting this running in Jenkins | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | expect to address it over the next 2 weeks | 15:11 |
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| mlavalle | And finally the API tests from janzian are also progressing | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | amuller reviewed his patchset yesterday and suggested a couple more test cases | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | that should be done over the next 2 days | 15:12 |
| carl_baldwin | cool | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | that's all this week in that front | 15:13 |
| janzian | Yes, thanks amuller for the helpful suggestions | 15:13 |
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| carl_baldwin | Cool. I am finishing up some improvements to the docs based on the feedback I've received. I'll post it soon. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | I think that's it. | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Ocata | 15:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | I have three main things to do for Ocata. I put them on the etherpad around L43 | 15:14 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/routed-provider-networks-notes | 15:15 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle is all over the first one. | 15:15 |
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| carl_baldwin | "Integration with Nova Scheduler" | 15:15 |
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| mlavalle | We are making good progress there | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | Actually, we are ahead of the Nova guys | 15:15 |
| mlavalle | As of this past Sunday, I have the entire subnet lifcyle debugged and running | 15:16 |
| * carl_baldwin expects nothing less. :D | 15:16 | |
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| mlavalle | Meaning that we can create / update / delete subnets in routed networks and the corresponding resource pools, agregates and inventories are created / updated and eleted | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Do you need any help in that area? Are you ready for reviews yet? Or, would that still be premature. | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | not yet | 15:17 |
| mlavalle | the Nova team is still making some changes to the inventories api | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | and they need to get the association of aggregates with resource pools working | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | okay | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | But that is not stopping our testing | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | I am working around those bits | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | Sounds like this is in good hands. | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | I think I will be done testing the functionality next week | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | and then I will write unit tests | 15:19 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: cool | 15:19 |
| mlavalle | and also a tempest scenario test | 15:19 |
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| mlavalle | Good progress overall | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: You might consider writing tests along with writing the functionality. I find that helps me focus my efforts when I write the functionality. | 15:20 |
| mlavalle | will do. Thanks | 15:20 |
| carl_baldwin | The next thing is "Using a routed network as a router:external network" | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | There are two issues with this right now. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | 1. We can't put floating IPs on a routed network. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | 2. We need routing for the floating IPs. | 15:21 |
| carl_baldwin | For 1, I think we should be close. My plan is to use service subnets for floating ips. | 15:22 |
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| mlavalle | ahhh | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | In other words, if you put a floating IP subnet on a routed network, it *must* have a service subnet of whatever the device owner for a floating IP is. | 15:23 |
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| carl_baldwin | Then, it should just be a matter of figuring out how to deploy BGP routing. I'm not sure if the BGP routing will need any tweaks. | 15:25 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I'm now thinking it'd be very cool to install quagga on the router in your vagrant environment and play with this. | 15:25 |
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| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: will start looking at it | 15:25 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I'm not asking you to do it. I hope to dive in to it myself. I've been meaning to brush up on my BGP skills. | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | cool | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: I'm also not trying to discourage you from being involved if you want. | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: I want to be involved | 15:26 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: cool | 15:26 |
| mlavalle | I also want to expand my skills ;-) | 15:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | Are there any questions about this one? | 15:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | This is the overall plan. I wonder if we'll need a new blueprint for this or if we can continue working under the existing blueprint. | 15:29 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm sure a few more details will pop up as we go. But, I think the overall plan is pretty sound. | 15:30 |
| mlavalle | was ther a 3rd point? | 15:30 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes | 15:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | The third one builds from the 2nd. | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | "Floating IPs with no router on routed networks" | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | GoDaddy is doing this already in their deployment. | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | I think it is a pretty cool idea. | 15:31 |
| mlavalle | "no router" meaning no Neutron router? | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | This one also has a few steps. | 15:31 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Right. I should clarify that. | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: good point. | 15:32 |
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| carl_baldwin | 1. We need to be able to associate floating IPs with ports on the same routed network. Currently, the floating ip association will look for a router to handle the fip. | 15:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | Sorry, got pulled off for a minute. | 15:35 |
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| carl_baldwin | 2. The VM port has to have some way to accept the traffic for the floating IP. | 15:35 |
| carl_baldwin | ^ This one could be difficult. | 15:36 |
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| carl_baldwin | At GoDaddy, the VM actually knows it has the floating IP and accepts traffic destined to it. | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | I think it will be hard to generalize this. | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Thoughts? | 15:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Another possibility that I thought of is doing NAT at the port. | 15:37 |
| carl_baldwin | I think this could use some broader discussion. | 15:37 |
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| mlavalle | where would we place the iptables for that? | 15:38 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Around the same place as the security groups, I guess. It is a good question. One that I haven't thought through yet. | 15:39 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, security gorups comes to mind | 15:39 |
| mlavalle | how about doing NAT with flows in the switch? | 15:39 |
| haleyb | it should work there i think, just in a different table/chain | 15:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | I think this topic deserves a new RFE / spec. It doesn't really fall in the scope of the original routed networks spec. | 15:41 |
| haleyb | no, sounds like a design change | 15:42 |
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| * haleyb will just sit here and state the obvious :) | 15:42 | |
| carl_baldwin | haleyb: Or, at least more design that wasn't included in the original. | 15:42 |
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| carl_baldwin | haleyb: It is good to get feedback, even if it is just nodding along. :) | 15:43 |
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| * haleyb nods | 15:43 | |
| mlavalle | LOL | 15:43 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll file an RFE with a brief description. We'll see if a spec is necessary. | 15:43 |
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| carl_baldwin | Is there anything else we should be doing with routed networks during Ocata? | 15:45 |
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| mlavalle | I think that's plenty | 15:45 |
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| mlavalle | Let's keep in mind that Ocata is the cycle where we rally make routed networks operational | 15:46 |
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| mlavalle | so we should not forget to focus on that | 15:46 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: ++ The most important piece is the one that you're working on. | 15:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | So, I think we have a few action items. | 15:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | 1. mlavalle continues doing what he's doing | 15:47 |
| carl_baldwin | 2. Get quagga installed on the vagrant router and deploy BGP. | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | 3. Write spec for floating IPs without neutron routers. | 15:48 |
| carl_baldwin | These should get us started. | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | s/spec/rfe/ | 15:48 |
| mlavalle | Cool | 15:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | I guess that's the plan then. Please let me know if you'd like to pitch in. | 15:49 |
| carl_baldwin | ... and where | 15:49 |
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| carl_baldwin | I guess that's all I have for today. Anything to add? | 15:51 |
| carl_baldwin | Going once... | 15:51 |
| mlavalle | Good meeting! | 15:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: ++ | 15:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | Going twice... | 15:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 13 15:52:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-09-13-15.02.html | 15:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-09-13-15.02.txt | 15:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-09-13-15.02.log.html | 15:52 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 13 16:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | Hi folks! | 16:00 |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 16:00 |
| bobh | o/ | 16:00 |
| tbh | o/ | 16:01 |
| n-harada | o/ | 16:01 |
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| sripriya | o/ | 16:01 |
| mike_m | o/ | 16:01 |
| vishwanathj | o/ | 16:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | Greeting everyone.. ! | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | checking few folks... | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: tung_doan: are you here ? | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | #chair sripriya tbh bobh | 16:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: bobh sridhar_ram sripriya tbh | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Sep_13th.2C_2016 | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | we can take up "other" items in open discussion | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcements | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | We are in Newton RC1 week - | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:05 |
| diga | o/ | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | we will discuss more on this.. | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | nothing else to announce from my side | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | except.. i know bunch of Tacker devs got travel support from OpenStack Foundation and going to go to Barcelona ! | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Newton Release | 16:07 |
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| diga | sridhar_ram: I didn't get travel support unfortunately :( | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | lets wait to see if s3wong and tung_doan joins to get a status on those two last-minute feature | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: ah, too bad... hopefully next time | 16:07 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: hope so | 16:08 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, me too :( | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: unfortunate.. the decision making is still a bit of black box. Again, keep trying | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | back to newton release... | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | Here is the plan.. | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | most patchsets identified for Newton needs to land by this week.. | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | cores: please use this etherpad to review and merge - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-newton-release-priority | 16:10 |
| s3wong | hello; sorry, late | 16:10 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: hi, np | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: taking up .. newton release priority, will circle back to vnffg soon | 16:11 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: sure | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | Folks - anyone missing any *MUST HAVE* in newton in the above etherpad ? | 16:11 |
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| diga | s3wong: my setup is ready, need your help for e2e VNFFG testing | 16:12 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334256/ ? | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: hang on one min, we will get to vnffg shortly | 16:12 |
| s3wong | diga: great. Let's work on that offline | 16:12 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: and also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329759/ ? i will respin it | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: it is already in the list | 16:13 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: ah ok, sorry i missed it | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: np.. | 16:13 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346665/ | 16:14 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329759/ .. please respin and add it to the etherpad please | 16:14 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: sure. will do | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: add it to the list.. | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | One general word of caution.. | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | .. your patchsets in this list need to in the healthy state.. CI shd pass fine at the minimum.. | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | we can't afford to take any collateral damage at this state.. | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else folks ? | 16:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | Now, starting next week... we need to test the heck out of the master branch.. | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | I need all your help to hammer different features, horizon ui and even install steps (particularly manual install) and report any issues | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | I'll request a newton release by 2nd half of next week | 16:18 |
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| sridhar_ram | any general questions on newton release ? | 16:18 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: the one thing i would request is if we cherry pick any patch to stable release and it changes the manual installation, other tham chaning the main doc, good to add that change to manual doc’s stable version | 16:19 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: that's a good point.. | 16:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | I remember there is a patchset (from venkatamahesh) on doing various cleans in the manual install doc.. | 16:20 |
| sridhar_ram | I'll find that and add it to the priority list.. | 16:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | Having the good install story is very, very important... ! | 16:21 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: yes, for sure our doc needs to improve. thanks | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Newton-VNFFG | 16:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: can you give an update ? | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: ^^ | 16:21 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: I think we are ready for integrated / end to end test | 16:22 |
| diga | hi | 16:22 |
| diga | yes | 16:22 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: diga has volunteered to get things going (Thanks!) | 16:22 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: the one thing missing in the patchset now is to make it a mixin with openstack infra driver | 16:22 |
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| s3wong | (previously trozet has volunteered to make that change... but he didn't get to it before his vacation) | 16:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: you've handled the infra_driver refactoring.. what do think of the above ^^ ? | 16:23 |
| diga | s3wong: which timezone you live in ? so that I can work accordingly | 16:23 |
| s3wong | diga: pacific daylight time | 16:24 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: sure i can take a stab at it | 16:24 |
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| diga | ok | 16:24 |
| s3wong | diga: but I usually work on non-day-job related stuff after 10pm PDT | 16:24 |
| diga | s3wong: :) | 16:24 |
| s3wong | diga: what timezone are you at? | 16:24 |
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| diga | s3wong: IST(India STandard Time) | 16:25 |
| diga | s3wong: will plan for this after the meeting | 16:25 |
| s3wong | diga: so 10pm here should work well with you? | 16:25 |
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| diga | s3wong: yep | 16:25 |
| s3wong | diga: cool | 16:26 |
| s3wong | diga: let's get that going :-) | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: as you are doing this, can you also "write up" a devref user guide doc.. | 16:26 |
| diga | yes | 16:26 |
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| diga | sridhar_ram: will do | 16:26 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: so hopefully we will have good news on integration test / end2end by next meeting | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: okay | 16:27 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: that's all I have | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | From blueprint point of view (assuming diga will take care of the docs).. | 16:27 |
| s3wong | (other than that trozet has made sure everything works from VNFFG TOSCA to no-op driver .... GOOD JOB trozet!!!) | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | .. the pending item will be functional test | 16:28 |
| diga | yes | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: Agree, kudos to trozet .. starting from last fall where he demo'd Tacker + FFG using ODL in the OPNFV Summit.. he followed through! | 16:28 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: will take care of it whichever remaining on the VNFFG side | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: great, thanks.. | 16:29 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: welcome! | 16:29 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga: given you are testing .. both doc and func test will be appropriate for you to take up.. | 16:29 |
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| diga | sridhar_ram: yes +1 | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | i know we might come short in time.. but please try your best | 16:29 |
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| diga | sridhar_ram: sure | 16:30 |
| sridhar_ram | Beyond that, given this (and alarm monitor) are coming in late.. I think it is appropriate to mark these two features as "experimental" .. | 16:30 |
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| sridhar_ram | this is to set appropriate expectation to our user community | 16:31 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: +1 | 16:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | we will use the next cycle to fix any outstanding / corner case issues and remove the "experimental" tag | 16:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Newton-Alarm-Monitor | 16:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | looks tung_doan is not here... | 16:32 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, I pinged him, but no response | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | but tung_doan and dkushwaha are putting some amazing effort here.. | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: can you give an update ? | 16:33 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, Mainly I were involved in testing the patch and notified to Tung, and he keep updating accordingly. | 16:33 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: good collaboration..! | 16:33 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, its running successfully | 16:34 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: can you describe the scenario you tested ? | 16:34 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, I tried by puting high cpu load on create vm | 16:35 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: what action did it trigger ? | 16:35 |
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| dkushwaha | and respawn is success now | 16:35 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: good.. did you had a chance to try "scale" action ? | 16:36 |
| dkushwaha | i tested it for respawn only for now | 16:36 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, not yet, but i have to test it | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: okay.. | 16:36 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: dkushwaha: the scale url and alarm action url are different | 16:36 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i did not see a way to handle the scale action in create_alarm_url logic | 16:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: process_alarm / receiver should bubble up to the plugin level to invoke whatever action specified in the TOSCA template | 16:38 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: if that is not happening, we have a serious "workflow" problem | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: did you had a chance to review this ? | 16:39 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: not yet - on my list for today/tonight | 16:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: dkushwaha: sripriya: i'm trying to assess if this feature ... | 16:40 |
| sridhar_ram | (a) has progressed enough to become an "experimental" feature of Tacker | 16:40 |
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| sridhar_ram | (b) doesn't introduce any collateral damage | 16:40 |
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| sridhar_ram | if, as reviewers, can provide some feedback in next couple of days on these two aspects.. i'd really appreciate that | 16:41 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: will do | 16:41 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i have not yet looked into code in depth, but scale api expects a certain url and body which needs to be handled. i may be missing something. will get back. | 16:41 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: sripriya: thanks.. | 16:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | anything else on alarm mon ? | 16:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Ocata Grooming | 16:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-ocata-grooming | 16:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | mike_m: can you share you ideas around EM BP ? | 16:43 |
| mike_m | sure | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/em-module | 16:43 |
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| mike_m | the premise of what I think this blue print is about is related to a multi-vm strategy, and coordination between them. | 16:44 |
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| mike_m | think of a network service where there are different VM's, and there is a relationship between them. | 16:44 |
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| mike_m | (this is just one example though of FCAPS, the Config part) | 16:44 |
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| mike_m | if you look at juju canonical, it has a "relation" concept to associate different VM's, its very similar to that. | 16:45 |
| diga | sridhar_ram, sripriya : I have pushed API framework spec - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368511/ | 16:45 |
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| mike_m | the ETSI NVF framework also discusses this API, the "em" interface. | 16:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | mike_m: if we take up the "C" part of FCAPS in this "relation" .. is it about supporting a sequence of "configuration" for a set of related VMs ? | 16:46 |
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| mike_m | yes it could be. But then the VNFM starts to become more specific, complicating the VNFM. Imagine instead there was a EM interface, where the VNFM told some entity (the defined EM), about all the VNFs. | 16:48 |
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| mike_m | so maybe the VNFM tells the EM, VNF "x" is instatiated, this is the mgmt ip | 16:48 |
| mike_m | and so forth | 16:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | mike_m: I see, you are proposing an Tacker VNFM interfacing with an "external | 16:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | ... "external" EM | 16:49 |
| mike_m | yes exactly. | 16:49 |
| mike_m | scaling decisions should also be allowed by this external EM | 16:49 |
| vishwanathj | just wanted to make sure that EM is Element Manager, right? | 16:49 |
| mike_m | I see this interface becoming an East/West API | 16:50 |
| sridhar_ram | mike_m: mgmt_driver framework that we have served this purpose to some extent.. announce a VNF is instantiated to the ODL controller to do "something" | 16:50 |
| mike_m | thats right, Element Manager as per ETSI NFV | 16:50 |
| mike_m | yes, have been looking at the mgmt_driver, so that it could do something like that, but i think it needs additional APIs. | 16:51 |
| sridhar_ram | mike_m: here is my suggestion.. i think we could use a small google doc writeup (with some simple diagrams) to illusrtate this further.. is that something you can take up ? | 16:51 |
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| mike_m | sridhar_ram: sure I can do that | 16:51 |
| sridhar_ram | mike_m: thanks.. as we wind down newton release, we can use more mtg time to dig this further.. | 16:52 |
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| mike_m | sridhar_ram: thanks for the time to explain. | 16:52 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga: noted, good to see API framework spec starting.. | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | I'd like to step back a bit and ask the team to think the bigger picture for Ocata... | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | so far we have kind of went with the flow of a roadmap and picked the top things on the list and executed.. | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | Going forward it will good to have a specific "theme" for an upcoming release and have the whole team converge and "make it happen" instead of the community spreading thin on 10 to 15 different things | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | Thoughts ? | 16:55 |
| diga | +1 | 16:55 |
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| dkushwaha | +1 | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | Here is my suggestion along those lines .. | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | bucket-1) over-arching theme for Ocata - enable an healthy eco-system of infra drivers - vmware, aws, kubenetes | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | bucket-2) wrap up left overs - VNFC, NSD, TOSCA CSAR | 16:57 |
| sridhar_ram | bucket-3) project maintenance - API framework, OSC, deprecation | 16:57 |
| sridhar_ram | Please think in these term / buckets | 16:58 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: +1 to the bucket slots | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | there could be other buckets too.. but we can't have too many as we will lose focus | 16:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'll put Ocata as the top agenda for next meeting... | 16:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | please come w/ your thoughts so that we can start making the final "goals" for Tacker Ocata release | 16:59 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: +1 - nice plan | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: diga: thanks! | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | we are out of time today.. | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | talk to you all next week .. specially on Ocata! | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | *specifically | 17:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | bye everyone | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 13 17:00:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-09-13-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-09-13-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-09-13-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| ayoung | Key | 17:59 |
| ayoung | Key | 17:59 |
| ayoung | Keystone! | 17:59 |
| gagehugo | yay! | 17:59 |
| stevemar | o/ | 18:00 |
| crinkle | o/ | 18:00 |
| jaugustine | :D | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
| stevemar | ping ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, crinkle, claudiub, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, jaugustine, joesavak, jorge_munoz, knikolla, lbragstad, MaxPC, morgan, nishaYadav, nkinder, notmorgan, raildo, rodrigods, rderose, roxanaghe, samleon, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, xek | 18:00 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 13 18:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| stevemar | hey everyone! | 18:00 |
| topol | o/ | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
| spilla | o/ | 18:00 |
| ezpz | o/ | 18:00 |
| jaugustine | o/ | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | o/ | 18:00 |
| nk2527 | o/ | 18:00 |
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| raildo | olá! o/ | 18:00 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:01 |
| stevemar | topol: joining us today :) | 18:01 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:01 |
| stevemar | henrynash is AFK, on a plane | 18:01 |
| gagehugo | no wifi? | 18:01 |
| jamielennox | o/ | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | gagehugo: excuses excuses eh | 18:01 |
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| jaugustine | $10 for a flight ?! pshhh | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | #link agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:02 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:02 |
| stevemar | hey bknudson | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | i think we're at a close enough consensus | 18:02 |
| stevemar | we need ayoung and lbragstad eventually | 18:02 |
| anteaya | quorum | 18:02 |
| breton | o/ | 18:02 |
| ayoung | I was here first | 18:02 |
| stevemar | anteaya: tru tru | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | stevemar i'm here homes | 18:02 |
| stevemar | ayoung: damn | 18:02 |
| stevemar | i give up | 18:02 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | stevemar need a nap? | 18:03 |
| ayoung | 2 laws of thermo | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | #topic project stuff | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "project stuff (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:03 | |
| ayoung | 1. you can't win, best you can do is break even | 18:03 |
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| ayoung | 2. you can't break even | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | if you're interested in serving as PTL, send a review request | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | i think to here: https://github.com/openstack/election | 18:03 |
| notmorgan | o/ | 18:04 |
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| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/election | 18:04 |
| dolphm | mailing list is also appreciated / helps advertise your candidacy, but it's not a required step anymore | 18:04 |
| stevemar | dolphm: ++ | 18:04 |
| stevemar | #topic newton release status | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "newton release status (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:04 | |
| stevemar | we'll be tagging RC1 this week | 18:04 |
| samueldmq | hi keystoners | 18:05 |
| stevemar | so keep an eye out for critical bugs | 18:05 |
| ayoung | where are we WRT KSA and KC releases relative to the Newton release? | 18:05 |
| bknudson | looks like requirements is incorrect | 18:05 |
| bknudson | so should get that fixed before release | 18:05 |
| stevemar | ayoung: those are closed out | 18:05 |
| stevemar | bknudson: requirements meaning the blocking out a specific ksm version? | 18:06 |
| stevemar | i saw a bug for that this morning | 18:06 |
| bknudson | yes. | 18:06 |
| jamielennox | bknudson: which requirements are incorrect? they're frozen now | 18:06 |
| stevemar | bknudson: we can ask for that, but they are frozen | 18:06 |
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| bknudson | then we need to revert a bunch of changes that require a newer version of ksm | 18:06 |
| stevemar | someone want to create a patch for that? and push it to requirements? | 18:06 |
| bknudson | https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1623091 | 18:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1623091 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "keystonemidleware dependency should be > 4.0.0" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to tamil vanan (tamilhce) | 18:07 |
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| ayoung | someone locked the python-requests-Kerberos version out, but only for Py3+ ...more KSA brokeness due to global deps | 18:07 |
| stevemar | OK, i guess i'll submit a patch to requirements | 18:08 |
| stevemar | bknudson: let's hope the requirements team allows it | 18:09 |
| stevemar | dolphm: you opened bug 1623117 recently, is that needed? | 18:09 |
| openstack | bug 1623117 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Prevent keystone from serving requests when schema or data migrations are not up to date" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1623117 | 18:09 |
| bknudson | probably won't like it since this will affect several projects | 18:09 |
| dolphm | stevemar: not strictly, but it's something that if we have a fix ready for ocata, i'd like to slip it into the newton release IF we have an actual release blocker to warrant a respin / etc | 18:10 |
| ayoung | I like that one | 18:10 |
| stevemar | dolphm: fair enough, i'll mark it as rc-potential | 18:10 |
| dolphm | stevemar: ++ | 18:10 |
| ayoung | it will catch pain at a reportable point in the deploy process | 18:10 |
| dolphm | ayoung: ++ | 18:10 |
| stevemar | last one is bug 1621200 | 18:11 |
| openstack | bug 1621200 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "MySQLOpportunisticIdentityDriverTestCase.test_change_password fails in UTC+N timezone" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1621200 - Assigned to Ron De Rose (ronald-de-rose) | 18:11 |
| ayoung | "It is never a keystone bug" | 18:11 |
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| stevemar | rderose and breton have been hacking away at it | 18:11 |
| stevemar | whats the news there you two | 18:11 |
| rderose | I have fix that address that bug and another issue with the timestamp default | 18:12 |
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| stevemar | rderose: is the bug not reflective of the change? | 18:12 |
| stevemar | cause i thought it was just a test issue | 18:12 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367374/ | 18:12 |
| rderose | stevemar: no, the other issue is that the created_at value may not be UTC with the default datetime | 18:13 |
| rderose | I'll update the bug to include that | 18:13 |
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| stevemar | rderose: yeah, i'll mark it as rc-potential, i'm not sure its a blocker | 18:13 |
| rderose | the patch is mostly ready, but we're having an issue with the migration tests running out of order | 18:13 |
| ayoung | server_default=sqlalchemy.func.now() that is new to me | 18:14 |
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| rderose | stevemar: dstanek is working on that issue. my patch will likely be based off of his fix | 18:14 |
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| stevemar | rderose: okay, we could probably slip it into rc2 if needed, i'll re-evaluate once you update the bug | 18:15 |
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| breton | stevemar: rderose: i have a much simpler fix | 18:15 |
| dstanek | rderose: i'm not working on the timestamp issue at all. is that what you are talking about? | 18:15 |
| rderose | ayoung: recommended by zzzeek at the time, but problematic with some versions of mysql | 18:15 |
| breton | stevemar: rderose: and actually i am not sure which bug rderose tries to fix :p | 18:15 |
| rderose | dstanek: no, tests running out of order issue | 18:15 |
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| ayoung | yeah, looks strange. Why but default is not sufficient because not-null needs a value ? | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: pretty much | 18:16 |
| ayoung | Toy | 18:16 |
| dstanek | rderose: yeah, that i'm looking into | 18:16 |
| rderose | breton stevemar: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1621200 + the UTC issue | 18:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1621200 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "MySQLOpportunisticIdentityDriverTestCase.test_change_password fails in UTC+N timezone" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Ron De Rose (ronald-de-rose) | 18:16 |
| notmorgan | rule 1 of keystone: ALWAYS store/convert/workwith date time objects in UTC/TZ agnostic forms | 18:17 |
| notmorgan | rule 2 of keystone: see rule 1 | 18:17 |
| breton | i proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367374/ and it worked for me, since i reported the bug :p | 18:17 |
| breton | so maybe a new bugreport needs to be opened for what Ron's doing | 18:17 |
| notmorgan | rule 3: if you're relying on the system clock to be consistent in tests, you're doing it wrong. control the clock in tests directly | 18:18 |
| rderose | breton: I don't trust that it will work for all versions of mysql | 18:18 |
| bknudson | maybe our unit tests could set a random timezone | 18:18 |
| rderose | notmorgan: agree | 18:18 |
| ayoung | why is that not: server_default=datetime.datetime.utcnow | 18:18 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: because that is calculated once iirc | 18:18 |
| bknudson | server_default is calculated on mysql server | 18:19 |
| rderose | ayoung: server_default=datetime.datetime.utcnow doesn't work for setting the server default | 18:19 |
| notmorgan | bknudson: ah wait that is passed to the server yeah no doesn'tmwork then | 18:19 |
| notmorgan | it's not python | 18:19 |
| dstanek | usually i use something like server_default='CURRENT_TIMESTAMP' | 18:19 |
| ayoung | but...wait | 18:19 |
| ayoung | OK, no. | 18:19 |
| dstanek | i don't think python code will work there | 18:19 |
| ayoung | that is not what is meant by not null | 18:19 |
| notmorgan | so, uhm. this is a bad plan to set a datetime default at the server level | 18:20 |
| bknudson | you might want to look at what sqlalchemy generates for the SQL | 18:20 |
| ayoung | that is making a null value that is just trash | 18:20 |
| notmorgan | don't do that. | 18:20 |
| ayoung | it says "the user can insert a row and if they don' | 18:20 |
| ayoung | t provide a value, one will be provided for them" | 18:20 |
| notmorgan | this is going to make you sad because you're getting whatever TZ the server is in | 18:20 |
| ayoung | which is not what we want | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | so...no there should not be a server_default | 18:20 |
| notmorgan | dstanek: ^ | 18:20 |
| rderose | dstanek: server_default='CURRENT_TIMESTAMP' will automatically update the timestamp column whenever any other column is updated | 18:20 |
| ayoung | it should be a Not Null column, with a value required to be passed in when a record is created...am I wrong? | 18:21 |
| notmorgan | ayoung: or a server default can be set to a known bad value (0?) that we can directly check for. | 18:21 |
| notmorgan | but same argument | 18:21 |
| ayoung | Or does SQL A somehow make it painful | 18:21 |
| bknudson | you can't add a not null column without a default value | 18:21 |
| rderose | ayoung: my latest patch is removing the server_default | 18:21 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, I don't want to "check" I want it to be required at dataload | 18:21 |
| ayoung | rderose, excellent | 18:21 |
| bknudson | maybe you can drop the default value after adding the column. | 18:21 |
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| notmorgan | bknudson: unlikely | 18:22 |
| ayoung | anyway...not for this meeting...drive on | 18:22 |
| ayoung | shout if it is readyu for review | 18:22 |
| breton | btw: the bug i reported happens to me only on unit tests | 18:22 |
| * ayoung adding myself | 18:22 | |
| breton | not in production | 18:22 |
| stevemar | thank you ayoung | 18:22 |
| stevemar | let's discuss the timezone thing in -keystone | 18:23 |
| bknudson | breton: do you have a different timezone in production servers? | 18:23 |
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| notmorgan | again, our code and tests are wrong if we rely on system TZ ever. | 18:23 |
| notmorgan | we should make sure we aren't | 18:23 |
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| notmorgan | but carry on in -keystone after meeting | 18:23 |
| breton | bknudson: my localhost production keystone doesn't suffer that :p | 18:23 |
| stevemar | rderose: sounds like you need more investigation here | 18:23 |
| stevemar | move to -keystone for this later, bah | 18:24 |
| stevemar | #topic encrypted credentials update | 18:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "encrypted credentials update (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:24 | |
| ayoung | so, while painful, this is not a stop ship. It sounds like a test only issue, and should be fixed in the tests | 18:24 |
| rderose | stevemar: will do | 18:24 |
| stevemar | just a quick note that i wanted to give lbragstad a round of applause for saving our bacon last week | 18:24 |
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| ayoung | most of the patches are throug Tripleo, so I think I'm good on encrypted creds | 18:24 |
| stevemar | tripleo / rdo was broken cause of the credential encryption work, and required key setup | 18:24 |
| ayoung | of course, that is a brushoff to the rest of the installers | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | fwiw - we added support to grenade for a proper update | 18:25 |
| stevemar | but lbragstad came up huge by including a null key if no fernet keys are seen | 18:25 |
| stevemar | so thanks! :D | 18:25 |
| rderose | lbragstad: ++ | 18:25 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: thanks | 18:25 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:keystone/credentials all merged and I wanted to keep lance's work quiet so they got through | 18:25 |
| bknudson | more great work from lbragstad | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | it was dolphm's idea, i was just the gnome that did the finger work ;) | 18:26 |
| stevemar | it made ayoung happy, you know it was hard! | 18:26 |
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| stevemar | well thanks to dolphm too :) | 18:26 |
| dolphm | go lbragstad go | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | glad we got something worked out, thanks for all the reviews | 18:26 |
| ayoung | Actually, forcint Tripleo to be able to support encrypted creds and fernet made me happy, I just didn't want to be too obvious about it | 18:26 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: :) | 18:27 |
| stevemar | ayoung: you're up next | 18:27 |
| stevemar | and possibly jamielennox | 18:27 |
| stevemar | #topic Bug 968696 update | 18:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug 968696 update (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:27 | |
| openstack | bug 968696 in Glance ""admin"-ness not properly scoped" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/968696 - Assigned to Sharat Sharma (sharat-sharma) | 18:27 |
| * stevemar cue the daunting music, DUM DUM DUM | 18:27 | |
| ayoung | So...according to Jamie, we stil have 2-3 services that are not compliant | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | 968696 I know that number | 18:27 |
| stevemar | i've lost track of what is left to do for this one | 18:27 |
| ayoung | to get this bug fixed required changes to Keystone (long done) | 18:27 |
| ayoung | then oslo-context | 18:28 |
| ayoung | also long sinve done | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: ++ | 18:28 |
| stevemar | ayoung: all good so far :) | 18:28 |
| jamielennox | i think we have the majority of services not compliant | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: could you give a quick recap in what's the plan ? what's missing ? | 18:28 |
| ayoung | and then each of the services needed to load all of the value from oslo conf to policy check | 18:28 |
| jamielennox | all the oslo.context work is done, and most took on the helper functions that are needed | 18:28 |
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| ayoung | so there are patches out for nova nca cinder, and one not even written for neutron | 18:28 |
| ayoung | bottom line, we are not going to have this closed out for Newton | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | the last step is to make them use context.to_policy_values() as the dict, however this is a bit more of a concern for most projects as we are changing the values that go into the policy engine | 18:29 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340195/ | 18:29 |
| jamielennox | and keeping compatibility there is harder than you would think | 18:29 |
| ayoung | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341905/ are examples of what needs to happen | 18:29 |
| stevemar | ayoung: jamielennox simple enough changes | 18:30 |
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| stevemar | ayoung & jamielennox what do you need from the keystone team, or is this striclty an update? | 18:31 |
| jamielennox | they are, but technically backwards incompatible because currently everyone drops context.to_dict into the enforcement | 18:31 |
| stevemar | do you need some of us to patch other projects? | 18:31 |
| stevemar | ah | 18:31 |
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| ayoung | jamielennox, why is is_admin_project not part of that? | 18:31 |
| stevemar | can i help with that by allocating a fishbowl to this topic? | 18:31 |
| ayoung | Yes | 18:31 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: is_admin_project comes from the base context object | 18:32 |
| jamielennox | stevemar: i've had a request to do an oslo.context as a cross-project already | 18:32 |
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| jamielennox | stevemar: i need to follow up on that, just not sure with whom at the moment | 18:32 |
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| ayoung | I still don't get it | 18:32 |
| stevemar | jamielennox: sounds good to me | 18:33 |
| ayoung | do we need to inject is_admin_project into context.to_dict ? Why would that break anything? | 18:33 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.context/blob/master/oslo_context/context.py#L136 | 18:33 |
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| jamielennox | ayoung: no, i want to stop people using to_dict because it throws a whole lot of crap into policy enforcement that there is no reasonable way you would ever want to use | 18:34 |
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| jamielennox | i just need to convince people it's ok to let that stuff go | 18:34 |
| stevemar | ayoung & jamielennox thanks for the update | 18:34 |
| stevemar | can we move on? | 18:35 |
| jamielennox | sure | 18:35 |
| stevemar | #topic The identity v3 gate (non-voting) is broken | 18:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "The identity v3 gate (non-voting) is broken (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:35 | |
| stevemar | looks like raildo already volunteered to look at this | 18:35 |
| stevemar | it's been failing for a month :( | 18:35 |
| dolphm | this is the devstack job that does not run v2? | 18:35 |
| stevemar | its a devstack job | 18:35 |
| stevemar | dolphm: i believe so | 18:36 |
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| raildo_ | yes, i`ve been working on it in the last months, and I want to help on it | 18:36 |
| notmorgan | having it not have teeth is the same as not testing. it will continue to break unless we get it working. | 18:36 |
| jamielennox | thanks raildo, i hadn't noticed this | 18:36 |
| notmorgan | and make it voting | 18:36 |
| raildo_ | jamielennox: np | 18:36 |
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| raildo_ | dolphm: yes, it is | 18:37 |
| stevemar | #link bug that is seen: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1620999 | 18:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1620999 in tempest "gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-identity-v3-only-full-nv 100% failure rate" [Undecided,New] | 18:37 |
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| stevemar | they are posting the removal since clarkb is moving it from trusty to xenial | 18:37 |
| stevemar | postponing* | 18:37 |
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| raildo_ | stevemar: ++ | 18:37 |
| samueldmq | as the goal is now to get it voting | 18:38 |
| samueldmq | we need to make sure they're stable | 18:38 |
| stevemar | raildo_: i'll leave it to you to look at, i'll put it on next weeks agenda for an update | 18:38 |
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| raildo_ | the problem is when the devstack try to get the image in glance, it`s not related to keystone v3 | 18:38 |
| samueldmq | otherwise project teams won't want to add it as voting | 18:38 |
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| raildo_ | stevemar: ok, thanks | 18:38 |
| jamielennox | right, the problem is this one gets broken because other teams don't configure for v3 | 18:38 |
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| stevemar | raildo_: i suggest you see what went into glance around the time it started to fail | 18:39 |
| raildo_ | samueldmq: ++ the idea is to make this voting asap | 18:39 |
| ayoung | ok, is this service catalog nonsense? | 18:39 |
| jamielennox | the intent was to get it voting to stop that from happening | 18:39 |
| samueldmq | raildo_: if it is not related to keystone v3, there is a proejct that CI is broken for 1+ month? | 18:39 |
| ayoung | I notice that, at least in tripleo, we append versions to the URLs in the service catalog | 18:39 |
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| ayoung | so the identiyt one ends int /v2.0 | 18:39 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: no one has any clue what the cause of this is, we're just guessing, no one has actually done any investigation | 18:39 |
| raildo_ | samueldmq: CI is broken because they couldn`t set the job properly, since this glance image issue | 18:39 |
| stevemar | i'd rather not toss darts blindly, it was just a PSA for someone to look at it | 18:40 |
| samueldmq | raildo_: ok | 18:40 |
| raildo_ | samueldmq: but i have to investigate deeper | 18:40 |
| samueldmq | raildo_: I suggest to keep a very close eye on the jobs if we want to get them voting :) | 18:40 |
| dolphm | raildo_: thank you! | 18:40 |
| samueldmq | raildo_: kk gotcha, thanks for working on it | 18:40 |
| dolphm | we should make that job voting around summit time :) | 18:40 |
| stevemar | dolphm: ++ thanks for looking at it raildo_ | 18:40 |
| raildo_ | samueldmq: i wil :) | 18:40 |
| bknudson | devstack doesn't put /v2.0 on the identity endpoint anymore | 18:41 |
| ayoung | YAY! | 18:41 |
| stevemar | moving on, i like this next topic | 18:41 |
| raildo_ | dolphm: stevemar no problem, I hope to get it fixed asap | 18:41 |
| stevemar | #topic Newton post-mortem | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | He was killed by an apple | 18:41 |
| stevemar | the Neutron team is having one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360207/12 | 18:41 |
| dolphm | ba dum tsh | 18:41 |
| stevemar | ayoung: thats actually pretty funny, +1 | 18:42 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: ayoung: +1 | 18:42 |
| stevemar | i usually just clean up the spec repo, but i like this idea | 18:42 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:42 |
| ayoung | We want to have it prior to the summit, I assume | 18:42 |
| stevemar | i've always found it frustrating that we just skimp on docs, testing, and client changes, when we mark the BP for the server complete | 18:42 |
| stevemar | i think having a post mortem would hold feet to the fire, before we continue implementing new features | 18:43 |
| bknudson | identifying technical debt? | 18:43 |
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| stevemar | *cough* domain specific config support for keystoneclient | 18:43 |
| ayoung | That was my original complaint about specs. I felt that that they should have bee written as docs, and had a lifespan accordingly | 18:43 |
| stevemar | bknudson: is that what we're calling it now? :) | 18:43 |
| stevemar | thoughts on trying this out? | 18:44 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:44 |
| jamielennox | +1 | 18:44 |
| ayoung | are there rules to the game? | 18:44 |
| stevemar | ayoung: no rules, and the points don't count! | 18:44 |
| stevemar | ayoung: honestly, none yet, i think we just want to identify where we missed | 18:44 |
| ayoung | "Alex, I'll take lighting things on fire for 500" | 18:44 |
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| bknudson | I think of a postmortem as "what went well, what didn't go well" | 18:44 |
| stevemar | and tack on names for things that missed | 18:45 |
| ayoung | http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/army/tc_25-20/tc25-20.pdf | 18:45 |
| stevemar | bknudson: i'm used to that definition too | 18:45 |
| dstanek | what's missing is a task management system of some sort | 18:45 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: maybe port mortem isn't the right term here, but it would be "did we actually deliver on what we initially scoped" | 18:45 |
| stevemar | dstanek: yeah | 18:45 |
| ayoung | one thing that the AAR format suggests is a neutral 3rd party to moderate | 18:45 |
| dstanek | we software engineer without the engineer... so do we just software? | 18:45 |
| stevemar | OK, let me take this as a TODO and repropose this in a few days | 18:46 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:46 |
| stevemar | i'll think of the outcomes I want to see | 18:46 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: ++ | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | dstanek please software responsibly | 18:46 |
| stevemar | keep an eye on the mailing list | 18:46 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: ++ | 18:46 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360207/12/specs/newton/postmortem/postmortem.rst -- here's the doc | 18:47 |
| stevemar | #topic Mitaka status | 18:47 |
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| stevemar | we've got 2 different attempts to backport dstanek's cache fix | 18:47 |
| breton | i am working on it | 18:48 |
| stevemar | breton: awesome | 18:48 |
| breton | and have only 2 tests failing | 18:48 |
| stevemar | that sounds promising | 18:48 |
| breton | a lot of things changed from mitaka to newton. | 18:48 |
| dstanek | it's hard to duplicate awesome | 18:48 |
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| dstanek | ... which one is closer? | 18:48 |
| dolphm | lol | 18:48 |
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| stevemar | we've got a few changes in stable/mitaka that haven't been released yet: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/compare/9.1.0...stable/mitaka | 18:49 |
| stevemar | so it would be nice to get the cache fix in, and we release 9.2.0 | 18:50 |
| breton | mine i guess | 18:50 |
| stevemar | since in a few weeks it'll be n-2 and only security fixes get merged :( | 18:50 |
| dstanek | breton: cool, i'll review that one today then | 18:50 |
| stevemar | thanks dstanek | 18:50 |
| stevemar | todo, breton to code, dstanek tor review, stevemar to propose new release when ready | 18:51 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: got 9 minutes! | 18:51 |
| stevemar | #topic Update on making fernet the default | 18:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Update on making fernet the default (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:51 | |
| lbragstad | well - here it is | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345688/19 | 18:51 |
| stevemar | i've seen a lot of action for this lately, thanks for picking this one up | 18:52 |
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| lbragstad | that patch is dependent on everything needed to make fernet the default token provider | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | looks to be passing the transient issue we noticed the first time we made the switch | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | which appears to be a mysql rounding thing | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | I've doc'd that here - https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1622010 | 18:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1622010 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "MySQL rounds timestamps" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Lance Bragstad (lbragstad) | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: you merged a fix for that (mysql rounding up the timestamp) ? | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq i didn't merge it - i just proposed one solution | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | happy to see others though | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: ++ | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | so, other solutions could be : | 18:53 |
| ayoung | Can we hack the tests in Tempest instead? | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | store subsecond precision in another column | 18:53 |
| ayoung | "we never promised that a revoked token would be seen immeditatly, your tests are too aggresive" | 18:54 |
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| dolphm | ayoung: ++ | 18:54 |
| bknudson | we couldn't promise that anyways due to caching | 18:54 |
| ayoung | "revocations will not be visible for 5 minutes. Deal with it" | 18:54 |
| stevemar | yep | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | or just have a long int column storing the time | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | ayoung the issue is when mysql would round a timestamp up | 18:54 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: i think that is fair | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: and that is an issue | 18:55 |
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| dolphm | samueldmq: if you go that route, it'd be far easier to just store a bigger integer in one column and divide it by 10^x to get the subsecond precision you want | 18:55 |
| samueldmq | dolphm: yes, just listed as the second option .. ^ have a long int column storing the time (from 1970s I think) | 18:55 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: have you spoke with sdague and the qa team about this? | 18:56 |
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| stevemar | give them plenty of heads up | 18:56 |
| samueldmq | and we can be as precise as we want to be, without worring about rounding/truncating anything | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | stevemar about making fernet the default? | 18:56 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: yes | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | stevemar I figured we would only consider that once ocata opens | 18:56 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: that'll be in 2 weeks or so :P | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | but yes - we'll for sure need to give them a heads up | 18:57 |
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| stevemar | but OK, i guess it can wait | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | stevemar i have a list under the topic on the meeting etherpad asking who we need to update | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | or reach out to, | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | is anyone else aware of other groups that need to be on that list? | 18:57 |
| samueldmq | I think a cp thread would be nice | 18:58 |
| samueldmq | to let everyone know what our intentions are | 18:58 |
| stevemar | talking with the the install guide folks will be an interesting talk | 18:58 |
| stevemar | it does complicate setup | 18:58 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: ++ | 18:59 |
| bknudson | can we do the same null-keys trick with fernet? | 18:59 |
| samueldmq | it's nice we have dedicated teams for those thigns | 18:59 |
| bknudson | that would be dangerous | 18:59 |
| stevemar | bknudson: you'll still be left with a bearer token | 18:59 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: i'll add to the list if i think of more | 19:00 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: probably RDO / tripleo | 19:00 |
| samueldmq | yes, you token is : role:admin,project:admin | 19:00 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
| samueldmq | lol | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | we'll it's a bearer token regardless, you're just make it easier for attackers to create their own | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 13 19:00:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| samueldmq | thansk all | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-09-13-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-09-13-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| stevemar | thanks for attending all! | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-09-13-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| fungi | infra team, assemble! | 19:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| crinkle | o/ | 19:00 |
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| jeblair | 17:32 <jeblair> i feel like there may be some kind of miscommunication | 19:01 |
| fungi | there are no topics on the agenda, so this will probably be over quickly... | 19:01 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:01 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:01 |
| anteaya | love it | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | hello | 19:01 |
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| mordred | o/ | 19:02 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 13 19:02:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| fungi | #info pleia2 published a book along with mfisch! | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link http://www.informit.com/store/common-openstack-deployments-real-world-examples-for-9780134086231 "Common OpenStack Deployments: Real-World Examples for Systems Administrators and Engineers" | 19:02 |
| timrc | o/ | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | :) | 19:03 |
| fungi | this is awesome | 19:03 |
| Zara | :D | 19:03 |
| mordred | woot pleia2 | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | very exciting, worked on it with mfisch and crinkle helped a bunch too | 19:03 |
| fungi | any good quotes? are you going to be hosting a book signing anywhere? | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | I'll have copies at the openstack summit, signing TBD | 19:03 |
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| fungi | also a dramatic reading would be awesome | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | I do have an appendix about contributing, where infra is heavily featured | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | I even managed to remove jenkins from the diagrams before printing | 19:04 |
| fungi | i could only have hoped ;) | 19:04 |
| anteaya | yay book | 19:04 |
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| anteaya | yay crinkle | 19:04 |
| fungi | #info Reminder: late-cycle joint Infra/QA get together to be held September 19-21 (CW38) in at SAP offices in Walldorf, DE | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprint | 19:04 |
| crinkle | \o/ | 19:04 |
| fungi | still 3 slots open before you have to get on the waiting list | 19:04 |
| timrc | fungi should do the audio for audible | 19:05 |
| fungi | looks like AJaeger says he's coming for a day too | 19:05 |
| timrc | Because he's not busy enough. | 19:05 |
| notmorgan | fungi: unfortunately I am going to pass. I really just don't have sitting on a plane that long in me. | 19:05 |
| notmorgan | mordred: ^ cc | 19:05 |
| jeblair | for anyone *not* going, knuth is giving a lecture on metafont at the sfpl | 19:06 |
| fungi | notmorgan: yeah, i'm passing this time as well, but will keep the home fires burning with the release looming so everyone can focus on sprinting | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | thanks for holding down the fort, fungi | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | notmorgan: its direct from pdx! | 19:06 |
| notmorgan | fungi: lmk if I can be of help on that front too. | 19:06 |
| clarkb | that was a big part in me caving to go | 19:06 |
| fungi | notmorgan: i will indeed! | 19:06 |
| notmorgan | clarkb: that is part of the issue. I can't sit on the plane atm :( | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-09-06-19.03.html | 19:07 |
| fungi | fungi Test whether gerrit flush-caches significantly reduces memory utilization in Gerrit's JVM | 19:07 |
| fungi | i guess i forgot, but will try to test later this week, sorry! | 19:07 |
| fungi | #action fungi Test whether gerrit flush-caches significantly reduces memory utilization in Gerrit's JVM | 19:07 |
| fungi | pleia2 set up sprint booking for infra bug day | 19:07 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#Infra_Bug_Day Infra Bug Day | 19:07 |
| fungi | somebody's on the ball | 19:08 |
| anteaya | yay | 19:08 |
| anteaya | that's tomorrow yeah? | 19:08 |
| pleia2 | yep | 19:08 |
| anteaya | okay great, thanks | 19:08 |
| fungi | #info Infra Bug Day September 14, 2016 (tomorrow) at 16:00 UTC in #openstack-sprint | 19:08 |
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| pleia2 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-September/004722.html | 19:09 |
| fungi | perfect | 19:09 |
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| fungi | thanks pleia2! | 19:09 |
| Zara | \o/ | 19:09 |
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| fungi | also a reminder, for those who can make it, the storyboard weekly meeting is the hour before the sprint starts | 19:10 |
| Zara | yep! | 19:10 |
| Zara | we can give you a heads up on any ui changes from last time... | 19:10 |
| fungi | that's in #openstack-meeting | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | great | 19:11 |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#StoryBoard_Meeting StoryBoard Meeting | 19:11 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:12 |
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| fungi | #info "Docs Publishing via AFS" added to Priority Efforts list/topics | 19:12 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/doc-publishing.html Docs Publishing via AFS | 19:12 |
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| fungi | just documenting that we're putting a bit of a rush on this one since we don't want to be evicted from cloudsites before we're done :/ | 19:12 |
| jeblair | i started working on that today, i may have some things to ask others to help with soon | 19:12 |
| anteaya | jeblair: andreas offered to help you | 19:13 |
| fungi | AJaeger also indicated he'd be interested in collaborating in person on this on tuesday of the sprint in walldorf | 19:13 |
| fungi | yeah, that | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | cool; i'm hoping this won't take up too much sprint time | 19:13 |
| mordred | jeblair: let me know if I can be helpful and stuff | 19:13 |
| ianw | also happy to help, if i can | 19:13 |
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| jeblair | excellent! | 19:14 |
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| ianw | AJaeger and I have some cross-over time in my afternoon | 19:14 |
| fungi | cool. and if you need continuation in american timezones after you all hit the biergarten, let me know | 19:14 |
| fungi | i don't expect to run an infra team meeting that day anyway | 19:14 |
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| fungi | but have a few liters of hels for me | 19:14 |
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| pleia2 | no problem :) | 19:15 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:15 |
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| fungi | other than the aforementioned addition here, nothing to report it seems from the agenda | 19:15 |
| fungi | any last-minute additions for priority efforts updates? | 19:16 |
| clarkb | xenialification continues | 19:16 |
| fungi | resistance is futile? | 19:16 |
| clarkb | pretty much. I am learning things that I hope will be good input for zuulv3 too | 19:16 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Newton testing on Xenial | 19:16 |
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| notmorgan | timrc: not buffalo chips though. | 19:24 |
| fungi | openstack is back! | 19:24 |
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| fungi | but clarkb is not (yet) | 19:24 |
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| zigo | Let's move to OFTC... :P | 19:24 |
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| ianychoi | Wow openstack ! | 19:24 |
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| * zigo sets the topic to OFTC migration ... :P | 19:24 | |
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| fungi | there's clarkb | 19:24 |
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| fungi | clarkb: care to repeat your comments about Newton testing on Xenial? | 19:24 |
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| anteaya | the bot missed everything after fungi set the topic | 19:24 |
| fungi | zigo: if only we could... we discussed it more than once but i think freenode would have to be down for a week before the community would begrudgingly relocate | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | swift and nova are basically done at this point | 19:25 |
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| clarkb | I am learning things that will likely be good feedback for zuulv3 | 19:25 |
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| clarkb | (basically we shouldn't ocnflate where jobs run with what jobs run) | 19:25 |
| fungi | and what was with that broken xenialing patch from last night? | 19:26 |
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| fungi | or is that what you're talking about? | 19:26 |
| clarkb | thank you for the reviews and feel free to push changes too | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | ya basically I got into this deep hole that kept getting deeper with the way we use jjb | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | I wanted to convert the identity-v3-only jobs all to xenial because they are already >= newton only and non voting | 19:26 |
| fungi | okay, so basically just that heavy reliance on templates which are overly-parameterized can make this harder rather than easier? | 19:27 |
| clarkb | but it turns out we share the definition with most of those with a ton of other jobs too | 19:27 |
| clarkb | right | 19:27 |
| fungi | and risk turning it into a big-bang migration? | 19:27 |
| fungi | granted, the "old" way we did it for precise->trusty was all big-bang | 19:27 |
| clarkb | right | 19:28 |
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| fungi | so using duplicate jobs with different names gives us the opportunity to migrate piecemeal, but maybe sometimes it's just the illusion of being able to do that | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | correct | 19:28 |
| clarkb | and it worked well for the jobs that qa/infra curate more directly | 19:28 |
| clarkb | we mostly seem to run into problems where projects have gone off and done their own thing (and cargo culted things between each other) | 19:29 |
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| fungi | oh, right there were also, e.g., neutron jobs with hacky kernel module and userspace updates that were working around too-old versions in trusty that complicated things | 19:29 |
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| clarkb | yes | 19:29 |
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| clarkb | though figuring that out is still ongoing so not sure what the end result will be there | 19:30 |
| clarkb | but overall things are going well I think | 19:30 |
| fungi | and there was also something to do with the loosely-devstack-based functional test jobs for the "lessons learned" pile? | 19:30 |
| fungi | or was that the same as the hacky upgrade workarounds? | 19:31 |
| clarkb | I think thats the same hacky upgrade workarounds | 19:31 |
| fungi | okay, cool, so not as bad as i thought at least | 19:31 |
| clarkb | basically what happens is we put a ton of effort into making sure things work and we deploy it to the "core" set of jobs | 19:31 |
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| clarkb | then later we find out that people have hacked around what is sane to do random things and it breaks the assumptions that our deployment just works everywhere because of devstack/d-g | 19:32 |
| fungi | got it. anything else? | 19:32 |
| clarkb | thats about it | 19:32 |
| * mordred hands clarkb a sandwich | 19:32 | |
| clarkb | found a bug in d-g reproduce.sh | 19:32 |
| clarkb | my fix fails unittests so fixing is ongoing | 19:32 |
| fungi | anybody else have questions/concerns about the xenial jobs transition? | 19:32 |
| fungi | i guess my main concern is making sure we impress upon projects that the switch needs to happen _soon_ | 19:33 |
| fungi | releasing with half of openstack newton tested on xenial and half tested on trusty seems like it would be bad | 19:33 |
| mordred | bah | 19:34 |
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| mordred | what could possibly go wrong? | 19:34 |
| fungi | and then we'd have to decide whether we push to migrate remaining stable/newton jobs to xenial or support trusty for an additional cycle after mitaka is eol | 19:34 |
| clarkb | I think I would push to migrate to xenial more | 19:34 |
| clarkb | because really the only issues we have found are where we are actually broken | 19:34 |
| clarkb | and not because xenial is broken (assuming the neutron tests turn out to be related to the custom compiles) | 19:35 |
| fungi | i tend to agree, but if we end up in that situation we need to make sure we've got buy-off from the stable-maint team | 19:35 |
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| fungi | or at least they need to go into it being aware of the situation | 19:36 |
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| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:36 |
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| fungi | anybody have anything else while everyone's here? | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | any suggested prep for the sprint next week? | 19:37 |
| anteaya | have fun in germany everyone | 19:37 |
| fungi | pleia2: make sure your gertty's synced before you get on the plane? ;) | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | the usual ;) | 19:37 |
| fungi | don't forget to bring a towel? | 19:37 |
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| jeblair | brush up on the zuulv3 spec :) | 19:38 |
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| fungi | if your gertty is in sync and you're subscribed to openstack-infra/infra-specs (i hope you all review infra-specs!) then you've got a copy of all the (proposed _and_ approved) specs already ;) | 19:39 |
| mtreinish | pleia2: heh, memorize the mqtt protocol spec :) | 19:39 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:40 |
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| anteaya | like reading just isn't enough | 19:40 |
| fungi | looks like we can end this and give everyone a 20-minute break before the tc meeting | 19:40 |
| anteaya | fungi: thank you | 19:40 |
| ttx | boo | 19:40 |
| anteaya | ttx: no? | 19:40 |
| ttx | just kidding | 19:40 |
| fungi | i took that as a surprise "boo" like a ghost | 19:41 |
| anteaya | ah | 19:41 |
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| fungi | the tc is hiding in wait | 19:41 |
| anteaya | I took it as negation | 19:41 |
| anteaya | fungi: i like your interpretation better | 19:41 |
| mtreinish | fungi: not boo as in boo-urns? | 19:41 |
| fungi | i try to find the most amusing interpretation of any ambiguous statement. gives me more entertainment value | 19:41 |
| anteaya | I should watch more cartoons | 19:42 |
| jesusaur | ++ | 19:42 |
| fungi | mtreinish: that works for an entertaining interpretation | 19:42 |
| * fungi was _not_ saying boo-urns, unlike hans moleman | 19:42 | |
| fungi | thanks everyone! | 19:42 |
| fungi | oh, wait, i should info the skipping of the meeting before i end this | 19:42 |
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| Zara | hehe | 19:43 |
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| fungi | #info The Infra team meeting for next week (September 20) will not be held, but we will resume our normal meeting schedule on Tuesday the 27th | 19:43 |
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| fungi | thanks everyone, and enjoy walldorf! | 19:44 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 19:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 13 19:44:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-09-13-19.02.html | 19:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-09-13-19.02.txt | 19:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-09-13-19.02.log.html | 19:44 |
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| ttx | ;o0 | 20:00 |
| * dhellmann pastes random characters into his buffer, too | 20:00 | |
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| annegentle | winking snowman? | 20:00 |
| mestery | lol | 20:00 |
| ttx | yours look a lot more organized | 20:00 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: it took an infinite number of monkeys to produce that sequence | 20:00 |
| ttx | dims, dtroyer, johnthetubaguy, mtreinish, thingee, mordred, russellb, sdague: around ? | 20:00 |
| dtroyer_zz | o/ | 20:00 |
| mordred | hey ttx | 20:00 |
| ttx | flaper87 is excused | 20:00 |
| dims | o/ | 20:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | I think that makes 7, let's get started | 20:01 |
| dims | annegentle : LOL | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| thingee | o/ <-- back from vacation | 20:01 |
| edleafe | hey dtroyer_zz - wake up! | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Sep 13 20:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| annegentle | welcome back thingee | 20:01 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:01 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| ttx | (remember to use #info #idea and #link liberally to make for a more readable summary) | 20:01 |
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| ttx | #topic Add Sukhdev as extra-atc for ironic | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/366890 | 20:02 |
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| ttx | As mentioned in the commit message, it's past the deadline for elections or summit discounts | 20:02 |
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| ttx | But that should not prevent us from approving that one | 20:02 |
| jroll | yep, this is for the future | 20:02 |
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| ttx | Looks like overwhelming support, will approve now unless someone objects | 20:02 |
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| ttx | ok approved | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic Tags for devstack and tempest plugins | 20:03 |
| annegentle | thanks jroll for explaining to Sukhdev | 20:03 |
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| jroll | annegentle: no problem :) | 20:03 |
| ttx | mtreinish proposed the addition of two new tags in the same vein as type:horizon-plugin | 20:03 |
| ttx | * Add tag for devstack plugins (https://review.openstack.org/366301) | 20:03 |
| ttx | * Add tag for tempest plugins (https://review.openstack.org/366302) | 20:03 |
| ttx | mtreinish: anything to add ? | 20:04 |
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| mtreinish | ttx: well the only open thing about those is what to do about in repo plugins | 20:04 |
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| mtreinish | by themselves the tags are pretty straightforward now | 20:04 |
| ttx | mtreinish: it's a similar question for horizon-plugins | 20:04 |
| mtreinish | but the majority of plugins are included in project repos (it's an antipattern for tempest plugins, but expected for devstack) | 20:04 |
| annegentle | nice thing is the repos are named consistently | 20:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so we could add that type tag into the main project repo, or is that a bit odd? | 20:05 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish : are there docs explaining why it's an anti-pattern? | 20:05 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: so far we haven't (for horizon-plugins) | 20:06 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: there are (and they're linked in the tempest tag commit msg) | 20:06 |
| ttx | since for the releases website we have those in separate paragraphs | 20:06 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish : ah, ok, I hadn't looked at that patch since I voted | 20:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ttx: ah, right. | 20:06 |
| dtroyer_zz | is there expected to be only one type_ tag per repo/deliverable? | 20:06 |
| mtreinish | johnthetubaguy: I was thinking about adding a subtype on the tag like contains:tempest-plugin or something like that | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer_zz : yes | 20:06 |
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| ttx | We have majority on those two, and nobody objected during the week, so I think we can approve those now | 20:07 |
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| dhellmann | dtroyer_zz : although if we end up moving the values we use for rendering releases.o.o into the releases repo, we could allow multiples in governance | 20:07 |
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| dtroyer_zz | that might solve a couple of things then | 20:08 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, types and release models change more often than anticipated | 20:08 |
| * dtroyer_zz was thinking about the client-library stuff we kicked about a few weeks ago | 20:08 | |
| ttx | and deliverables contents | 20:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | mtreinish: seems simpler using the same tag for both though, but that makes we think about tag precedence order | 20:08 |
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| ttx | I propose we approve those and use them for pure plugins repo until we have a larger solution | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 20:09 |
| dtroyer_zz | ++ | 20:09 |
| ttx | (like for horizon-plugins) | 20:09 |
| mtreinish | johnthetubaguy: it is, I was just thinking out loud | 20:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: ++ | 20:09 |
| mtreinish | ttx: ++, that's why I proposed it that way :) | 20:09 |
| ttx | ok, approving now | 20:10 |
| ttx | #topic Barcelona Design Summit cross-project workshops | 20:10 |
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| dims | mtreinish : thanks, sounds good to me | 20:10 |
| ttx | OK, so we need to start organizing the cross-project content we'll have in Barcelona | 20:10 |
| ttx | In terms of resources, we can use up to 6 time slots and up to 4 parallel rooms | 20:10 |
| ttx | (we can, of course, use less) | 20:11 |
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| ttx | Given that Ocata is a short cycle, I'd rather focus on a few key topics (giving some of them a double-slot) rather than the usual scattergun | 20:11 |
| mordred | ++ | 20:11 |
| ttx | Who is interested in setting that up ? | 20:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I personally find 3 parallel rooms frustrating, so maybe 4 would be pushing it | 20:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | I could help with that | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | I would offer, but I'm up for election this term. | 20:12 |
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| ttx | johnthetubaguy: we can mix and match. Have a few slots with only 1 or 2 in parallel and others with 3 or 4 | 20:12 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: why does that matter? | 20:12 |
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| ttx | depeding on the topic | 20:12 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: tc and non tc folk have worked on this in the past | 20:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: good point, that works | 20:12 |
| dhellmann | anteaya : I thought it has been mostly tc members | 20:12 |
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| annegentle | 2 parallel is about my limit johnthetubaguy :) | 20:13 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: it has been, but it doesn't have to be | 20:13 |
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| ttx | How would you prefer to do the topic selection ? | 20:13 |
| ttx | Can't remember what we used last time | 20:13 |
| annegentle | dtroyer_zz I didn't see ya do it so might not have gotten thru | 20:13 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: I don't see how your status would interfere with your ability to participate if that is what you want | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | ttx: the etherpad worked well for collecting ideas | 20:13 |
| ttx | (but then I delegated it last time) | 20:13 |
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| johnthetubaguy | did we do etherpad, then narrow them down? | 20:13 |
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| annegentle | johnthetubaguy yeah I think so | 20:13 |
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| anteaya | dhellmann: I would offer to help but I won't be in barcelona | 20:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, the google forms we tried sucks because not all computers in the world can use a google form | 20:14 |
| ttx | so let's create an etherpad, set expectations that we'll likely only select a few topics | 20:14 |
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| dims | was this what we used last time? https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cross-project-sessions | 20:14 |
| ttx | set some deadline | 20:14 |
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| ttx | and start cracking ? | 20:14 |
| dims | ttx : i can help with this | 20:15 |
| dtroyer_zz | dims: that looks familiar | 20:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the newly elected TC should probably vote on that, so is that the deadline? or do we need it before then? | 20:15 |
| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cross-project-sessions | 20:15 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: we usually don't vote. We only select a few members to run it. We could select members that are not for reelection like dhellmann suggested | 20:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | I didn't mean formally as such, just infromally | 20:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ttx: when do you need the details uploading into the schedule? | 20:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | two weeks before that seems a good deadline for suggestions | 20:17 |
| * ttx adds a bit of data | 20:17 | |
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| ttx | OK, we have the basic data in | 20:20 |
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| ttx | any volunteer for a -dev thread announcing the etherpad ? | 20:21 |
| ttx | What deadline should we set ? | 20:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can send a note out in the morning | 20:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if we pick a date | 20:21 |
| annegentle | ttx so six slots, am I reading it right? | 20:21 |
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| annegentle | thanks johnthetubaguy I can help with the etherpad wrangling | 20:21 |
| ttx | #action johnthetubaguy to announce the CPW planning etherpad | 20:21 |
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| dtroyer_zz | Oct 1-ish? thats a few days to still get to two weeks befor for the schedule | 20:21 |
| ttx | annegentle: yes, see above | 20:21 |
| annegentle | ttx got it, thanks | 20:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dtroyer_zz: that sounds about right | 20:22 |
| ttx | dtroyer_zz: yes, something like end of week Sunday Oct 2 | 20:22 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, just thinking about giving us time mon/tuesday to look through before this meeting | 20:23 |
| ttx | Oct 1 sounds good | 20:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | #info oct 1 deadline for adding suggestions to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cross-project-sessions | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | ttx: did I correctly identify the slots that could serve as doubles? | 20:24 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes | 20:24 |
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| dhellmann | one was obvious, the other had more of a gap | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | k | 20:24 |
| ttx | please #info yourself if you volunteer to help | 20:24 |
| ttx | #info ttx volunteers to help | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | and of course we could have 2 part sessions spread over the 2 days if we want, too | 20:25 |
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| ttx | #info johnthetubaguy volunteered to help too | 20:25 |
| annegentle | #info annegentle volunteers too | 20:25 |
| dtroyer_zz | #info dtroyer volunteers | 20:25 |
| mtreinish | ttx: I can help if there aren't enough people already :) | 20:25 |
| ttx | usually all the TC members end up participating in the vote selection anyway | 20:26 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: info yourself | 20:26 |
| dims | #info dims volunteers to help | 20:26 |
| ttx | it's more who is availabel to take more of a lead position | 20:26 |
| ttx | or available | 20:26 |
| mtreinish | ttx: ah, ok voting is enough for me then | 20:26 |
| ttx | OK, anything else we need to settle now ? | 20:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | that sounds like a good starting point to me | 20:26 |
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| annegentle | johnthetubaguy ttx Oct 7th eob a good deadline then? Or did you mean Oct 2nd? | 20:27 |
| ttx | Oct 1 is good | 20:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I thought we said Oct 1st | 20:27 |
| annegentle | end of day I mean | 20:27 |
| annegentle | ok | 20:27 |
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| annegentle | that's easier, updting etherpad | 20:27 |
| ttx | One thing I would really like to see discussed is some common understanding around plugins for proprietary technologies | 20:27 |
| ttx | annegentle: I see it on te etherpad already | 20:27 |
| ttx | (although we'll probably have to prepare that one up front so that it doesn't turn into a shoutfest) | 20:27 |
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| ttx | OK, let's move on to next topic | 20:29 |
| ttx | #topic Finalizing Ocata goals | 20:29 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: want to introduce this one ? | 20:29 |
| ttx | or should I | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | given that we're so close to the summit, and we haven't nailed down this goal definition, I have withdrawn it for now | 20:30 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/349069 | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | I will propose a session for the summit, and haypo has agreed to lead it, to discuss what needs to be done and figure out what our next steps are | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | and then over the course of ocata we can discuss the goal definition more | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | with the intent to resubmit it for pike | 20:31 |
| ttx | That will come soon enough | 20:31 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: is there anything to do to formally close the list for Ocata ? | 20:32 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: so we'll only have the one goal for ocata? | 20:32 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish : unless someone else proposes another | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | ttx: we've approved the one goal, so I think that's it | 20:32 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: I can write up one for the tempest plugin split out (like we talked about in nyc) this week | 20:33 |
| dhellmann | I'll propose a session to discuss that, too, in case folks have implementation questions that they would like shared | 20:33 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish : we should get that on the list, but given the time frame I don't know if it's realistic to get that approved either :-/ | 20:33 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: yeah, that's fine. But it'll be a starting point if nothing else | 20:33 |
| ttx | feels like we could use a (small) backlog of goals | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : sure | 20:34 |
| ttx | since we were a bit short this time | 20:34 |
| annegentle | ttx that's a good idea | 20:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | so thinking about to the goals for pike, do we start the discussion on those at the PTG? or at this summit? | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | ttx: we have https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-tc-goals but we were missing someone to do the writing work | 20:34 |
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| mtreinish | johnthetubaguy: both? | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : we need to be collecting info at the summit | 20:34 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: start the discussion at the summit, but refine goal selection in the month(s) before PTG | 20:34 |
| dhellmann | right, what ttx said | 20:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | right, thats what I was thinking, I am just wondering what we are doing to help make that happen, I am wondering if we have a slot to discuss that at the end of the week, probably not I guess | 20:35 |
| ttx | ok, let's move on. Skipping next topic since flaper87 is not around and would rather be when we discuss it | 20:36 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: are we going to hold "forum" sessions in barcelona? | 20:36 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: I think the idea is to think about things that could make good goals, not really to discuss any particular one in detail | 20:36 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: not really, although some of the fishbowl sessions will look a lot like what Forum sessions will be | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | it might be useful to have a cross-project session to discuss them in general | 20:36 |
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| annegentle | dhellmann I like that idea | 20:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: yeah, I am thinking that, if only to get folks thinking about them | 20:37 |
| ttx | depends on the topic really | 20:37 |
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| dhellmann | maybe someone else could volunteer to lead that | 20:37 |
| dtroyer_zz | dhellmann: yes, as they are new and generated a lot of questions already | 20:37 |
| * dhellmann doesn't want this to be "Doug's goals for OpenStack" | 20:37 | |
| johnthetubaguy | I don't mind leading something along those lines | 20:37 |
| ttx | let's rotate the burn | 20:37 |
| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : great, thanks | 20:37 |
| ttx | ok, moving on | 20:38 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:38 |
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| ttx | I have several things to discuss | 20:38 |
| annegentle | dhellmann nice, yeah | 20:38 |
| ttx | I'll do a new version of the "principles", probably tomorrow. Hopefully it will be more consensual | 20:38 |
| ttx | although I need to check back with original drafters if they will still be comfortable co-authoring it :) | 20:38 |
| ttx | the fringe of people who think we should not define principles at all will probably still be disappointed | 20:39 |
| mordred | shrug | 20:39 |
| ttx | Another thread that went ballistic last week is the alignment of the future election periods w/ the cycle | 20:39 |
| ttx | The language in the charter is a bit non-deterministic, mentions both "design summit" and "summit", so we need to update it (after this election round) for the PTG/summit new world order | 20:39 |
| dims | y fireworks | 20:39 |
| ttx | 3 options have been proposed: elections just before summit, elections just before summit but with PTL overlap and delayed "takeover", or elections before PTG | 20:39 |
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| ttx | I'd argue that there is no perfect time to run elections, we are always busy. | 20:40 |
| ttx | But then the current timeframe (R-4 to R+0) arguably falls when we are the busiest | 20:40 |
| ttx | well no, R-7/R-5 would actually be worse | 20:40 |
| ttx | What's your take on that ? | 20:40 |
| ttx | (not that we'd make a decision now, more of a temperature read on the room | 20:41 |
| dtroyer_zz | There is a definite perception in parts of the community that PTLs are per-cycle already, even if that is not strictly true | 20:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am not sure there is a good time, with all the extra staggering we have coming up | 20:41 |
| mtreinish | ttx: tbh, I'm fine keeping it relative to the summit like now, even if it's in the middle of the cycle in the post-ptg world | 20:41 |
| dtroyer_zz | adjusting the election to better prepare for actually making that true seems like a less-disruptive adjustment | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | I underestimated how many teams see their PTL as their release driver, so I think I'm OK with shifting elections to align with the PTG. When we do that, we could build in more lead time than we have now. | 20:41 |
| mtreinish | it just adds more buffer incase the torch is passed on | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | although I would also be ok with the proposal as it stands | 20:42 |
| sdague | I think more lead time would be good just to make transitions smoother | 20:42 |
| ttx | Personally I dislike the whole idea of asking the current PTl for room requirements at the Design Summit while elections are started. Makes for weird discussions | 20:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, more lead time would certainly help smooth the bumps | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | sdague : yeah, I just think 4 months is too long | 20:42 |
| sdague | dhellmann: sure | 20:42 |
| edleafe | are there many cases of non-smooth transitions? | 20:42 |
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| ttx | edleafe: there were enough of them | 20:43 |
| dtroyer_zz | under the old way, would 2 more weeks have been enough? 1 month? | 20:43 |
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| sdague | honestly, this could also be a time where we've grown so much diversity in projects that there is no one size fits all here | 20:43 |
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| annegentle | sdague that's my sense of it too | 20:43 |
| dhellmann | edleafe : we've had several PTLs disappear right at the end of the cycle when we needed them to coordinate release work, yes | 20:43 |
| sdague | because the base iaas things definitely work as PTL is release driver | 20:43 |
| edleafe | dhellmann: ttx: ok thanks | 20:43 |
| sdague | but tons of horizontal things don't even have releases per say | 20:43 |
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| dhellmann | sdague : I do not think this is an area where we want teams to "innovate" | 20:44 |
| fungi | as a ptl for a project with no real ties to the cycle, it seems like we shouldn't be pinning ptls to some release cycle anyway, but while deliverables following the release cycle are a minority, projects with at least one of those deliverables are likely a majority | 20:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, in base iaas decisions are very often heavily aligned with in person meet up cycles, more than the release as such | 20:44 |
| ttx | I also would like to make sure we use the summit in the now-middle of the cycle to bootstrap the thinking about the next cycle, and not knowing who will drive that next cycle by then is kind of a problem | 20:45 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: maybe, but it's also going to be odd to just apply spherical human rules to all projects an assume uniformity | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | sdague : the only reason this is even coming up as an option now is the ptg change; no one has objected to a single schedule for elections before afaik | 20:46 |
| ttx | There is no urgency since we won't be able to change the charter until after this election round anyway, but if you could think about it and the various options we have, that would be great | 20:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: I see most projects working more like a team than that, but I guess thats different in different projects | 20:46 |
| anteaya | johnthetubaguy: yes, different in different projects | 20:47 |
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| ttx | johnthetubaguy: I still think it's easier if the person in charge of the current cycle is not necessarily the person in chargfe of the next, and you know who is in charge of the next early enough to prepare the cycle properly | 20:47 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:48 |
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| fungi | however, with the described cycle "overlap" this seems better suited to delegates anyway | 20:48 |
| david-lyle | assuming delegates exist | 20:49 |
| fungi | it seems like in situations where projects realize they have a need for that, they grow delegates to take it on? | 20:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: maybe, not sure I am totally visualising your suggestions properly yet, will apply thinking cap | 20:50 |
| persia | For this purpose, it is probably best to assume there is *someone* in charge of a release, even if that role ends up switching mid-development cycle or remains the PTL, or whatever. | 20:50 |
| david-lyle | when it works, ulitimately it all cascades back to the PTL | 20:50 |
| sdague | fungi: that does assume there is a bench willing to do that. And that that coordination cost doesn't outweigh the benefits of the extra hands there. | 20:50 |
| annegentle | my instinct says there's less of a bench than we think --- because there are many more small projects than large | 20:51 |
| dtroyer_zz | I do think having a common model for the cases where the PTL delegates this stuff is the important bit. for small enough projects it is all PTL | 20:51 |
| fungi | and at any point in time, there are probably two releases in progress (one in the early stages of planning, one being finalized) and so you'll have a ptl changing in the middle of one of them regardless | 20:51 |
| sdague | annegentle: and in even large projects, the amount you need to put into your head to do that role effectively, means it's unlikely to end up with 2 to 3 folks being able to commit to that in overlapping windows | 20:52 |
| annegentle | sdague true that | 20:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: I think that articulates my concern well | 20:52 |
| annegentle | sdague bigger brains | 20:52 |
| sdague | that's at least largely how things have faired in the Nova space, the PTL is the one that needs to sort all the parts and keep that straight | 20:52 |
| sdague | which frees up other core team members to focus on landing those parts | 20:52 |
| ttx | sdague: I'd argue that the person in charge of the release has an easier job if they don't need to care about the next, though | 20:53 |
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| ttx | And currently they do | 20:53 |
| pleia2 | 1/g 114 | 20:53 |
| sdague | as they don't also need the whole picture | 20:53 |
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| sdague | ttx: that assumes everything gets done in a cycle, and things are 3 or 4 cycle efforts | 20:53 |
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| sdague | which, all the hard stuff usually is | 20:53 |
| ttx | I mean, *I* send those PTls emails about room requirements, I can tell you they would prefer not to have to think about it | 20:53 |
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| fungi | was there more of a driver for this proposal besides the release team being concerned that there was a lack of continuity for release liaisons over the course of a release, or poor hand-off between liaisons? | 20:54 |
| sdague | anyway, just thinking aloud here to make sure all the info is on the table if a decision does get made | 20:54 |
| ttx | fungi: which proposal are you talking about ? | 20:54 |
| ttx | We have words in the charter that won't mean anything post-Barcelona, so we need to decide what to do :) | 20:55 |
| fungi | well, the change in ptl election scheduling/efficacy and release stewards proposals tend to dovetail into each other, so both i guess | 20:55 |
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| ttx | the release stewards stuff was just a way to make the "let's keep them scheduled against SUmmit" option easier | 20:56 |
| fungi | release steward delegation seems like at least a partial answer to retaining the current election schedule | 20:56 |
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| ttx | ensure a bit of extra continuity | 20:56 |
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| fungi | recognizing that there's probably no perfect time in the schedule for ptl changing of the guard anyway | 20:56 |
| ttx | but you get the same with waiting 3 months to take over as sdague suggested | 20:56 |
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| ttx | the only issue with that one is that you get a +9months commitment from PTls instead of a +6months | 20:57 |
| mordred | to be fair - most ptls serve more than one term anyway - well, except for me | 20:57 |
| fungi | you served many terms as infra ptl ;) | 20:58 |
| mtreinish | mordred: or any of the heat ptls | 20:58 |
| annegentle | I sense we should try to get bigger benches... as a primary goal, avoiding burnout and disappearing PTLs and release tasks falling under an imaginary bus. | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | I think you're optimizing for <10% of the projects in the big tent | 20:58 |
| ttx | mordred: right, which is why release stewards can help them organize. But then some trusted member that would keep an eye on N+1 would do the trick too | 20:58 |
| annegentle | so which proposal would optimize for more backup and redundancy? | 20:58 |
| david-lyle | the waiting bench of people wanting to take on the drudgery is not so deep | 20:58 |
| ttx | david-lyle: what would be your preference for the election timeframe ? | 20:58 |
| annegentle | david-lyle that's what I'm wondering, the percentage | 20:59 |
| dims | ttx : guess also it did not come across as "this is what we saw work in many teams, so this is optional best practice"-kind-of-message | 20:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | so if we have a world were PTLs are elected about a month before the PTG, what do we loose, the N+1 driver at the summit? | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | honestly the current timing makes sense to me | 20:59 |
| sdague | dims: maybe some of the case studies on which teams it was working on would be helpful | 20:59 |
| david-lyle | there is very little overlap | 20:59 |
| ttx | david-lyle: define current | 20:59 |
| annegentle | david-lyle I sense cross-project PTLs have that difficulty more | 20:59 |
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| dims | sdague : right | 20:59 |
| ttx | david-lyle: because currently it's defined against sumit timing and summit is moving | 20:59 |
| dtroyer_zz | david-lyle: current reletive to the release cycle or to the summit? | 20:59 |
| ttx | so there is no status quo | 21:00 |
| * dougwig notes the time. | 21:00 | |
| david-lyle | ttx, right, with the release | 21:00 |
| david-lyle | but not trying to split the streams | 21:00 |
| fungi | i don't so much have an opinion on when is a good time for ptl elections, as much as i see forcing a delay in ptl role changing hands across all projects as suboptimal | 21:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | or current to the PTG? | 21:00 |
| ttx | ok, time to close it | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Sep 13 21:00:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-09-13-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-09-13-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-09-13-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone | 21:00 |
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