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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 31 09:00:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
| oneswig | Greetings all | 09:01 |
| dariov | hello there! | 09:01 |
| senk | Hello o/ | 09:01 |
| priteau | Hi o/ | 09:01 |
| oneswig | #link today's agenda (such as it is) is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group | 09:01 |
| oneswig | Blair has been in touch, he's just returning from holidays, might be able to join us later | 09:02 |
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| oneswig | Before we begin, any items to add? | 09:02 |
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| oneswig | I had one - the CFP for HPCloudSys 2016 in Luxembourg closes this week | 09:03 |
| oneswig | #link HPCloudSys2016 is here http://2016cloudcom.ux.uis.no/conf/workshops/hpcloudsys.html | 09:03 |
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| oneswig | OK #topic Summit Scientific OpenStack guide | 09:04 |
| oneswig | Flanders from the Foundation was in touch with an outreachy idea | 09:04 |
| oneswig | To scan the schedule and pick out some topics WG members and scientific compute uses in general might be interested in | 09:05 |
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| priteau | That's a very good idea! I haven't gone through the schedule yet | 09:05 |
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| oneswig | Then generate a SuperUser article and/or mailing of those | 09:05 |
| oneswig | priteau: me neither! | 09:06 |
| oneswig | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/categories/ - schedule's somewhere off this page | 09:06 |
| oneswig | In the course of this meeting, can we browse and pick out items of interest | 09:07 |
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| priteau | the URL says "austin", but changing it to barcelona only changes the header | 09:07 |
| priteau | the rest of the content is the same | 09:08 |
| oneswig | Good grief, you're right! | 09:08 |
| oneswig | ooops | 09:08 |
| priteau | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/ Barcelona summit schedule | 09:08 |
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| oneswig | #link GlusterFS in OpenStack "In this presentation we will talk about the journey we are still on in finding the best fit for a file system inside a large fully-orchestrated cloud application stack" https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15987/clustered-file-systems-in-your-application-stack | 09:09 |
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| dariov | wow, that looks interesting to us | 09:11 |
| dariov | I’ll tell our people to drop by :-) | 09:11 |
| oneswig | #link We have an interest in using Monasca for high performance telemetry, might like to sit in on this one https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15166/monasca-one-year-later | 09:12 |
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| oneswig | If anyone sees a talk they'd find interesting for research computing, please chip in! | 09:14 |
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| priteau | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/full/ Full Barcelona summit schedule on a single page | 09:15 |
| oneswig | #link realistically I think I'll learn a lot from "BrokenStack: failure stories" https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15448/brokenstack-openstack-failure-stories | 09:15 |
| dariov | lol | 09:16 |
| priteau | there are 5 talks with HPC in the title | 09:16 |
| oneswig | #link A talk from CERN is always interesting and networking is something they've historically struggled with, it'll be interesting to see their solution https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15865/neutron-at-cern-moving-thousands-of-production-nodes-from-nova-network | 09:16 |
| oneswig | priteau: any picks from those? | 09:17 |
| priteau | #link Image is Everything: Dynamic HPC VM Repositories using Murano https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16161 | 09:18 |
| priteau | #link Neutron and SLURM: Software-defined Networking for HPC Clusters https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15454 | 09:18 |
| priteau | #link “Spartan”, a HPC - Cloud Hybrid: Delivering Performance and Flexibility https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16540 | 09:18 |
| priteau | all of them really :-) | 09:18 |
| oneswig | Nice! | 09:19 |
| priteau | blair's talk too of course | 09:19 |
| oneswig | #link Blair's talk on Lustre https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16548/lustre-integration-for-hpc-on-openstack-at-cambridge-and-monash | 09:20 |
| oneswig | Any more suggestions? | 09:20 |
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| priteau | #link HPC, Unikernels and OpenStack https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15879 | 09:20 |
| oneswig | priteau: that's one I'm particularly interested in, thanks for reminding! | 09:21 |
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| oneswig | OK, keep browsing, lets move the topic on | 09:21 |
| oneswig | #topic OpenStack / HPC white papers | 09:21 |
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| oneswig | So over the summer I've been gathering research on five white paper topics on OpenStack and HPC | 09:22 |
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| oneswig | Three are now in draft form (phew), one's half way and one's not started yet. | 09:22 |
| oneswig | What I'm looking for is subject matter experts on the various topics | 09:23 |
| oneswig | The two remaining are bare metal infrastructure and high performance data | 09:23 |
| oneswig | priteau: you wouldn't happen to know anyone who works on a bare metal infrastructure system would you ? :-) | 09:23 |
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| priteau | oneswig: I contacted one of our Chameleon users who did a performance comparison of bare-metal vs KVM vs Docker, but no answer :( | 09:25 |
| oneswig | priteau: that's OK I think I have enough on overhead, including your previous introductions. | 09:25 |
| oneswig | #link HPC and the overhead of virtualisation https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xJJKPltk-ScA4uKrPVnIAHQRptzgViJNMq1kNLWAQTE/edit?usp=sharing | 09:25 |
| priteau | I would be happy to be a reviewer on the bare-metal topic | 09:25 |
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| oneswig | #link OpenStack and HPC network fabrics https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d2nOxPQPARNhmnc0hXBIMW9c_bjDyaUkUZAzMBNPfEA/edit?usp=sharing | 09:26 |
| oneswig | #link OpenStack and HPC workload management https://docs.google.com/document/d/1dbN6HRWQuuETqPIw5qYM8Ya6f3RD1WNbGr_hg2CyHPw/edit?usp=sharing | 09:26 |
| dariov | I’m afraid we can’t help you on this, guys | 09:27 |
| oneswig | priteau: thanks, appreciate that. Can we make Chameleon into a case study on that? | 09:27 |
| * dariov feeling a little bit useless | 09:27 | |
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| oneswig | dariov: the articles I'm hoping are useful for people who know about HPC but want to learn more about how it fits into OpenStack. That's the target audience | 09:28 |
| priteau | oneswig: If Chameleon fits your requirements for this white paper, I would be happy to! | 09:28 |
| oneswig | priteau: Great, thanks. I'll get my act together and be in touch... | 09:28 |
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| priteau | I wasn't sure if the testbed itself was a good fit (rather than the research users do with), since it is a very specific use case | 09:29 |
| priteau | I guess it will be clearer once I have read your drafts | 09:29 |
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| oneswig | priteau: Well it is but what I've been looking for is some diversity between the data points, and you're not Bridges and you're not Aurora so that's even better :-) | 09:29 |
| dariov | oneswig, then I’m your perfect guinea pig | 09:30 |
| oneswig | dariov: any input is gratefully appreciated, thank you | 09:30 |
| oneswig | Move on? | 09:31 |
| oneswig | #topic Working group activities at Barcelona | 09:31 |
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| oneswig | Somebody last week suggested the WG meeting might work well with a poster session. | 09:32 |
| oneswig | I think this is a good idea, especially if we get a good number | 09:32 |
| oneswig | The concern there being it's a bit late to put something together | 09:32 |
| oneswig | Any thoughts on this? | 09:33 |
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| oneswig | Perhaps it is one to consider for a future summit to enable some forward planning | 09:34 |
| priteau | How many people would a call for posters reach? | 09:35 |
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| oneswig | priteau: I am not sure. I have ~200 mails in my address book, could spam them (and annoy people) | 09:36 |
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| oneswig | I'd prefer not to | 09:36 |
| priteau | We could try academic mailing lists as well. But you're right that is it quite late notice | 09:36 |
| oneswig | It works for people who have posters from other conferences | 09:37 |
| oneswig | Another idea is to do something like the brown bag talks - lightning talks from WG members | 09:37 |
| oneswig | An ideal situation would be to have two adjoining rooms, some refreshments and a mix of the two formats | 09:38 |
| priteau | lightning talks may be easier to organize and get people to present | 09:39 |
| oneswig | I'll see what can be arranged - space is tight in the venue. They might even prefer two smaller rooms to one big one. | 09:40 |
| oneswig | Thanks priteau good point | 09:40 |
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| oneswig | After the success in Austin there's also discussion of a WG social one evening. Probably the Thursday when I understand nothing official is planned | 09:41 |
| oneswig | Does anyone know Barcelona at all and can suggest a venue? | 09:42 |
| oneswig | A friend of mine, formerly at Barcelona Supercomputer Center, suggested a few places they sometimes used | 09:42 |
| priteau | sorry, I have never been to Barcelona | 09:42 |
| oneswig | #link cute website, doesn't look vegetarian friendly http://www.asadordearanda.net | 09:44 |
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| oneswig | Was there anything further on summit activities? | 09:45 |
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| oneswig | #topic Any Other Business | 09:45 |
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| oneswig | What has been missed? | 09:46 |
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| priteau | oneswig: I wanted to ask, do you have any more information about the OpenStack HPC meetup you mentioned the other day? | 09:46 |
| priteau | Is it part of http://www.meetup.com/Openstack-London/ | 09:46 |
| oneswig | The meetup in London, I followed up on it a few days ago and they couldn't get a venue so it has been postponed | 09:47 |
| oneswig | Alas | 09:47 |
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| oneswig | thanks, I'd forgotten about that | 09:47 |
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| priteau | Removing it from my calendar | 09:47 |
| b1airo | hi folks, finally made it | 09:47 |
| b1airo | bit of a marathon this evening | 09:48 |
| oneswig | Are you going to OpenStack Day UK? | 09:48 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo, welcome back? | 09:48 |
| oneswig | (I mean !) | 09:48 |
| b1airo | thanks oneswig :-) | 09:48 |
| oneswig | We were just on AOB - I think we are pretty much done for the week | 09:49 |
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| dariov | oneswig, is the “Cambridge meetup” thing still in the pipe? | 09:49 |
| priteau | oneswig: I would like to go but I need to check if I can. Is the speaker line-up complete? | 09:49 |
| b1airo | any big news i missed discussing? | 09:49 |
| oneswig | dariov: Good point, we had to defer over the summer on account of all those bl**dy holidays, lets pick up again | 09:49 |
| dariov | (I’m off for 3 weeks now, but something is October should be good) | 09:49 |
| oneswig | dariov: b*gger, it rolls on | 09:49 |
| oneswig | October it is | 09:50 |
| b1airo | i haven't yet reviewed the full summit agenda but looking forward to seeing what you all thought was good | 09:50 |
| dariov | yup, my boss here is keen in hosting, if needed | 09:50 |
| oneswig | b1airo: We need links into the schedule to recommend | 09:50 |
| oneswig | dariov: great, I love a field trip | 09:50 |
| dariov | oneswig, cool | 09:50 |
| dariov | I’ll be “back in the office” on the 20th of September | 09:51 |
| b1airo | ok, i'll try to make sure i get to looking at it soon before work people realise i'm back from leave | 09:51 |
| dariov | we can try to find a date in october | 09:51 |
| b1airo | else it'll end up being the usual JITSS (just in time summit schedule) | 09:51 |
| oneswig | dariov: when are you finishing before your holiday? Might be good to get something in advance | 09:51 |
| dariov | possibly after the 10th, we have a deadline on that day | 09:52 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I usually find the events I'm most interested in slightly after they've finished | 09:52 |
| dariov | in until friday, but I should be able to respond to email anyway, just slowish | 09:52 |
| oneswig | dariov: OK lets follow up offline | 09:52 |
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| dariov | oneswig, ok | 09:53 |
| oneswig | Anything else to raise? | 09:53 |
| oneswig | Oh, I had one item | 09:54 |
| oneswig | What is considered to be decent TCP bandwidth over VXLAN? | 09:54 |
| b1airo | ah, still having issues there? | 09:54 |
| oneswig | We have 50G Ethernet NICs. With SR-IOV we get > 20GBits/s. With VXLAN, at best 1.6 GBits/s | 09:55 |
| oneswig | Still having issues, going for a webex later | 09:55 |
| oneswig | But I wanted to find out how many orders of magnitude out we are... | 09:56 |
| priteau | oneswig: I suppose that you've checked the MTU size? | 09:56 |
| b1airo | sounds like you're 10+ times slower than expected | 09:57 |
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| oneswig | It's standard MTU in this case, 1400 bytes after encapsulation. Not sure we can realistically change that for these networks | 09:57 |
| priteau | but is the VM configured to have a smaller MTU? | 09:57 |
| priteau | than 1500 | 09:57 |
| b1airo | priteau: i think they are benchmarking on a tight cluster LAN so MTU *shouldn't* be a major factor (still a factor, but not orders of magnitude) | 09:58 |
| oneswig | priteau: correct, it gets trimmed down | 09:58 |
| priteau | because of the VXLAN encapsulation inside UDP, if the VM uses 1500 it would cause fragmentation | 09:58 |
| b1airo | oneswig: have you seen the MLNX numbers here: https://www.mellanox.com/related-docs/whitepapers/CB_Mellanox_Ethernet_NIC_Advantage.pdf | 09:58 |
| b1airo | ah yes good priteau | 09:58 |
| b1airo | *good point | 09:59 |
| oneswig | b1airo: thanks, I shall got to the webex with those numbers... | 09:59 |
| oneswig | OK - I think we must wrap up | 10:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks all | 10:00 |
| oneswig | I'll gather together the schedule picks and follow up | 10:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 10:01:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-08-31-09.00.html | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-08-31-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-08-31-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
| priteau | Good bye everyone | 10:01 |
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| b1airo | cya | 10:02 |
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| coolsvap | #startmeeting requirements | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 31 12:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is coolsvap. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:00 | |
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| coolsvap | #topic Roll-call | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll-call (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:00 | |
| prometheanfire | o/ | 12:00 |
| dirk | o/ | 12:01 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire dirk o/ | 12:01 |
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| coolsvap | lets wait for a min before we start with meeting | 12:04 |
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| coolsvap | lets move | 12:05 |
| coolsvap | #topic Announcements | 12:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:05 | |
| coolsvap | I have a session accepted in barcelona with dims | 12:05 |
| coolsvap | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15330/openstack-requirements-what-we-are-doing-what-to-expect-and-whats-next | 12:05 |
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| coolsvap | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 12:06 |
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| prometheanfire | I don't think so | 12:07 |
| coolsvap | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358470/ | 12:07 |
| prometheanfire | the constant blocking of os-client-config sucks though | 12:07 |
| coolsvap | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333264/ | 12:08 |
| coolsvap | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363150/ | 12:08 |
| prometheanfire | what's wrong with the gr-update? | 12:08 |
| coolsvap | "Updated from generate-constraints" review needs some attention for libraries which are only updated with this review | 12:09 |
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| coolsvap | openstack libraries get updated with dims/dhellmann reviews | 12:09 |
| coolsvap | but others are not | 12:10 |
| prometheanfire | right | 12:10 |
| prometheanfire | I think we should strip the openstack libs out from that and get it merged today | 12:10 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: will you do that? | 12:11 |
| prometheanfire | sure | 12:11 |
| coolsvap | #action prometheanfire to update the g-r review to strip the openstack libs | 12:11 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: thanks | 12:11 |
| prometheanfire | that's just this review | 12:11 |
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| prometheanfire | not the actual job, but we should probably think about that | 12:12 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: yes we might need some work on the job as well | 12:12 |
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| coolsvap | dhellmann: dims around? | 12:13 |
| dims | pong coolsvap : what's up? | 12:13 |
| coolsvap | dims: reg. review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358470/ | 12:13 |
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| coolsvap | we are thinking if we can strip openstack libs in the "Updated from generate-constraints" reviews | 12:14 |
| coolsvap | dims: ^^ | 12:14 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: regarding the other two, I am not sure if we need a decision on the two new libraries before freeze | 12:15 |
| dims | you mean the bot can propose 2 reviews? one with openstack libs and one without? | 12:15 |
| dims | i'd run that by dhellmann for sure | 12:15 |
| prometheanfire | dims: one the normal one by one updates, one outside deps | 12:16 |
| coolsvap | currently openstack reviews are merged with your/dhellmann/ttx patches generated after release change merge | 12:16 |
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| coolsvap | openstack library updates i meant | 12:16 |
| coolsvap | but other libraries are getting ignored in the process | 12:17 |
| prometheanfire | I updated the gr review for today | 12:17 |
| dims | coolsvap : not all openstack libs will get reviews filed by me/dhellmann/ttx | 12:17 |
| dims | coolsvap : example python-k8sclient | 12:17 |
| prometheanfire | oh, should I add that back in? | 12:18 |
| coolsvap | dims: yeah thats another case | 12:18 |
| prometheanfire | smaugeclient? | 12:18 |
| dims | i'd rather have the bot differentiate into 2 buckets one from repositories owned by openstack and one outside | 12:18 |
| dims | but remember it will make it harder to test | 12:18 |
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| dims | various combinations | 12:19 |
| dims | so not sure what problem you are trying to solve here | 12:19 |
| coolsvap | my initial thought process was to merge "Updated from generate-constraints" reviews but we decided to merge individual reviews | 12:19 |
| coolsvap | but currently we are merging individual reviews | 12:19 |
| coolsvap | so the consolidated reviews are kinda ignored | 12:19 |
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| dims | which is fine, the bot does not get mad :) | 12:20 |
| coolsvap | either because it always fails with jenkins | 12:20 |
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| coolsvap | but then we are losing on the updates for non-openstack libs | 12:20 |
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| dims | coolsvap : so then the bot logging 2 reviews is a better idea i think | 12:21 |
| coolsvap | dims: yeah | 12:21 |
| prometheanfire | well, added smaug/k8s | 12:21 |
| prometheanfire | anyway, updated that review | 12:21 |
| dhellmann | oh, we shouldn't be ignoring the bot updates | 12:21 |
| coolsvap | dhellmann: yeah | 12:22 |
| dims | dhellmann : ++ :) | 12:22 |
| dhellmann | it will be pretty complex to have the bot submit 2 reviews, I think. unless we build the changes in one repo, then figure out which lines to add to which patch? | 12:22 |
| prometheanfire | I wasn't ignoring it, I tended to work on client updates first to shrink down be bot update, then try to get that merged once a week (on the weekend typically) | 12:22 |
| dhellmann | the idea is that all of the changes the bot proposes work together, so as soon as we start splitting them... | 12:22 |
| dhellmann | it might be safer to rebase the bot patch by hand to let it merge safely, and then approve it | 12:22 |
| prometheanfire | dhellmann: the problem is that the bot submits so many changes at once that it almost always fails | 12:23 |
| prometheanfire | that's what I've been doing (by hand edits to prune down the changeset) | 12:23 |
| dhellmann | ah | 12:23 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: yeah but its kinda ignored most of the times | 12:23 |
| dhellmann | well, maybe having it ignore our libs entirely would make it better? | 12:24 |
| coolsvap | afaics | 12:24 |
| prometheanfire | coolsvap: not by me :P | 12:24 |
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| dhellmann | though that might just lead to more failures | 12:24 |
| prometheanfire | dhellmann: that's my early morning guess (before coffee) | 12:24 |
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| dhellmann | yeah | 12:25 |
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| coolsvap | lets monitor this for couple of weeks before making a decision | 12:25 |
| coolsvap | if its feasible to make it work by hand everytime | 12:26 |
| prometheanfire | agreed | 12:26 |
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| prometheanfire | I just wanted to have people start thinking about it | 12:26 |
| * coolsvap too | 12:26 | |
| dirk | can we just merge reviews that ignore the thigns that cause failures? | 12:26 |
| prometheanfire | #note think about removing openstacklibs from gr updates (those that are already submitted seperately) | 12:26 |
| dirk | e.g. if externallibfoo-newrelease causes the bot to fail, letst just exclude that one to keep the proposal bot things mergeable | 12:27 |
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| dirk | we just need to keep the backlog somewhere that investigates and fixes those issues as they happen | 12:27 |
| prometheanfire | dirk: generally yes, last week was bad because there were a couple of updates that caused breakage | 12:27 |
| prometheanfire | so it was multistep | 12:27 |
| dhellmann | yeah, figuring out which library is bad is non-trivial | 12:27 |
| coolsvap | lets move on | 12:28 |
| coolsvap | #topic Requirements freeze R-5 (Aug 29 - Sept 02) | 12:28 |
| prometheanfire | agreed | 12:28 |
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| coolsvap | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 12:28 |
| coolsvap | tonyb sent the announcement on mailing list | 12:29 |
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| coolsvap | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/102581.html | 12:29 |
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| dirk | I have a question regarding that.. is that only about g-r changes (new additions, new base versions) or also about uc changes? | 12:30 |
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| coolsvap | I think for both, dims dhellmann ^^ | 12:31 |
| prometheanfire | both | 12:31 |
| prometheanfire | afaik | 12:31 |
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| * dims defers to dhellmann | 12:32 | |
| dirk | so that means we should get an propsosal bot change merged pretty soon | 12:32 |
| dhellmann | yes, completely frozen except in the case of a bug in one of our libs | 12:32 |
| dirk | proposal.. | 12:32 |
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| coolsvap | dirk: yeah thx dhellmann for the confirmation | 12:32 |
| coolsvap | lets monitor the change proposed by prometheanfire | 12:33 |
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| dhellmann | coolsvap, dirk : I found it very helpful to create a process document for the release team in openstack/releases/PROCESS.rst. we could add details to that to make it clear about what is frozen when (if what I have there already isn't clear) | 12:34 |
| coolsvap | dhellmann: ack | 12:35 |
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| prometheanfire | #link https://github.com/openstack/releases/blob/master/PROCESS.rst | 12:35 |
| coolsvap | I think we have that down the agenda | 12:35 |
| coolsvap | #topic Coordinating with the release team | 12:35 |
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| coolsvap | freezing requirements - http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases/tree/PROCESS.rst#n107 | 12:36 |
| coolsvap | stable branch for openstack/requirements - http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases/tree/PROCESS.rst#n138 | 12:36 |
| dirk | dhellmann: thanks for the pointer, I didn't see that yet | 12:36 |
| dhellmann | I think I saw in the requirements channel that tonyb said he would apply the -2 to all pending patches on his Thursday | 12:36 |
| dhellmann | or was it friday? | 12:37 |
| * dhellmann looks back | 12:37 | |
| coolsvap | dhellmann: Friday | 12:37 |
| dhellmann | yeah, friday | 12:37 |
| dhellmann | which I think is late our thursday? how do timezones work again? | 12:37 |
| dhellmann | anyway, I think that's good | 12:37 |
| coolsvap | yes its late thursday your time morning for tonyb | 12:38 |
| prometheanfire | he said his thursday, our friday | 12:38 |
| dhellmann | if we end up needing to land one of them that his -2 and he's away for the weekend we can start a new patch for the udpate | 12:38 |
| prometheanfire | I may have that backwards | 12:38 |
| dhellmann | it's unlikely, but we never know so it's good to have a plan | 12:38 |
| prometheanfire | dhellmann: I'll keep that in mind | 12:39 |
| dhellmann | prometheanfire : I checked the scrollback and he said friday | 12:39 |
| dhellmann | his friday | 12:39 |
| dhellmann | and since he lives in the future, that's our thursday | 12:39 |
| prometheanfire | ah, right | 12:39 |
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| coolsvap | okay lets convey this to tonyb if he's online tomorrow | 12:40 |
| coolsvap | #topic Barcelona Design Summit | 12:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barcelona Design Summit (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:40 | |
| coolsvap | tonyb has requested a (fishbowl) session for Barcelona | 12:41 |
| prometheanfire | not going :( | 12:41 |
| coolsvap | maybe we can discuss the topics in some next meetings | 12:41 |
| coolsvap | we have a requirements session accepted in main track (not sure if everyone saw the announcements) | 12:42 |
| dirk | yep, saw that, good stuff | 12:42 |
| prometheanfire | yarp | 12:42 |
| coolsvap | lets move on | 12:42 |
| coolsvap | #topic Mascot | 12:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mascot (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:42 | |
| coolsvap | The only mascot idea that had multiple votes was waterfall so tonyb asked Heidi to select that one | 12:43 |
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| * coolsvap has no idea what was waterfall | 12:43 | |
| dirk | I think its a good choice | 12:44 |
| dhellmann | I liked that one, it made me think "upstream" | 12:44 |
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| coolsvap | cool | 12:45 |
| prometheanfire | I think I proposed that one, it's our devel methodology right? | 12:45 |
| prometheanfire | it fits for other reasons though | 12:45 |
| dhellmann | haha | 12:45 |
| coolsvap | #topic Tasks from Etherpad | 12:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tasks from Etherpad (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:46 | |
| dhellmann | I have to step away. Thanks everyone, and congratulations on becoming a big tent team! | 12:46 |
| coolsvap | thanks dhellmann | 12:47 |
| coolsvap | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:47 |
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| coolsvap | any updates on this? | 12:47 |
| prometheanfire | I've been keeping up on the other projects and failing requirements updates | 12:47 |
| * coolsvap has none | 12:47 | |
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| prometheanfire | but no progress this week, one is stuck in legal, the other in review hell | 12:47 |
| prometheanfire | that's all I have | 12:48 |
| coolsvap | thanks prometheanfire for the update | 12:48 |
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| coolsvap | which one is stuck in review? | 12:48 |
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| prometheanfire | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352501/ | 12:49 |
| prometheanfire | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352501/ | 12:49 |
| prometheanfire | vitrage is the other one stuck in legal | 12:49 |
| prometheanfire | it's the three under #20 in the list right now | 12:49 |
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| coolsvap | ah okay | 12:50 |
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| * coolsvap thought something stuck in requirements queue | 12:51 | |
| coolsvap | moving on | 12:51 |
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| coolsvap | #topic Volunteer for next meeting | 12:51 |
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| coolsvap | I think we have volunteer for next two meetings | 12:52 |
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| coolsvap | Sep 07 - tonyb | 12:52 |
| coolsvap | Sep 14 - prometheanfire | 12:52 |
| coolsvap | anyone up for sep 21? | 12:52 |
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| coolsvap | alright lets see in next meeting again | 12:53 |
| dirk | I might be able to do sep 21, not sure yet | 12:53 |
| dirk | way too far in the future :) | 12:53 |
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| coolsvap | dirk: alright we can always check in next meetings | 12:54 |
| coolsvap | skipping topic optional-requirements since did not see number80 | 12:54 |
| coolsvap | #topic Open Discussion | 12:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:54 | |
| coolsvap | anyone has anything to bring up in open discussion? | 12:54 |
| prometheanfire | non | 12:55 |
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| * dirk is good | 12:56 | |
| coolsvap | okay back to #openstack-requirements. Thanks folks | 12:56 |
| coolsvap | #endmeeting | 12:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 12:56:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-08-31-12.00.html | 12:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-08-31-12.00.txt | 12:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-08-31-12.00.log.html | 12:56 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:00 |
| Yipei | hi | 13:01 |
| dongfeng | hi | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 31 13:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| zhiyuan | hello | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:02 |
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| Rong_hui | :) | 13:03 |
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| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | #topic feature implementation progress review | 13:03 |
| hejiawei | #info hejiawei | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | hello, please describe your feature implementation progress shortly | 13:04 |
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| Yipei | i have already submitted a patch, i will update the patch based on your comments. Further, i will try to finish the patch of adding resource_affinity_tag ASAP | 13:05 |
| Yipei | go on updating the patch of dynamic pod binding | 13:05 |
| joehuang | to Yipei, except resource_affinity_tag, also one field in pod binding | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | to represent current active binding | 13:05 |
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| dongfeng | I have commit a document of pod api features. tempest test for pod is still going on. | 13:06 |
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| zhiyuan | patches for resource clearing of floating ip, subnet, router have been submitted, but they all depends on the shared-vlan-l3 patch, which has not been merged | 13:06 |
| joehuang | good, to Dongfeng, do you know how to do the tempest test? | 13:06 |
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| yinxiulin | I'm doing server action function. The action which only need server_id parameter has been finished, and passed the unit test. | 13:07 |
| dongfeng | no, tempest doesn't contain the pod test cases. i am studying it. | 13:07 |
| zhiyuan | now i am working on the separation of api-gateway and networking automation | 13:07 |
| joehuang | to Zhiyuan, so we need to merge shared-vlan-l3 first, so that other patches can get merged | 13:07 |
| Yipei | do we need to add a table to store historical binding relationship, instead of adding a field in binding table? i mean all the records in the binding table are active | 13:07 |
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| zhiyuan | to joe, that's right | 13:07 |
| hejiawei | I read some document to learn how to test my patch ,and next week I will continue to test it . | 13:08 |
| joehuang | to Xiulin, great! | 13:08 |
| Yipei | or just add a field | 13:08 |
| joehuang | no need to add a new table, just use active, deactive, and the time related field for example update_at to store the history information | 13:09 |
| joehuang | to Zhiyuan, good job, quick reaction to new proposal | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | to Jiawei, learn from other's patch will accelearate your experience on how to do test | 13:10 |
| Yipei | to joe, ok, got it. will add it into the binding table | 13:11 |
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| Rong_hui | For me, the environment meet some problems, and i solve it and record it in the our test and uploading to wiki | 13:11 |
| Rong_hui | and also do some creating the new organization for our team. | 13:12 |
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| zhiyuan | to ronghui, is the installation guide in wiki page ready? | 13:12 |
| Rong_hui | i will finish it this week and add some case for it | 13:13 |
| joehuang | I suggest you guys who has no lots of experience on test, need to learn unit test and tempest test | 13:13 |
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| Rong_hui | ok | 13:14 |
| dongfeng | ok | 13:14 |
| Yipei | ok, got it | 13:14 |
| hejiawei | I got it | 13:14 |
| longxiongqiu | ＃info longxiongqiu | 13:14 |
| zhiyuan | document for mock: http://www.voidspace.org.uk/python/mock/ | 13:14 |
| longxiongqiu | hi joehuang, i will update my patch ASAP | 13:14 |
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| longxiongqiu | and continue my working ASAP | 13:15 |
| Rong_hui | xiongqiu has come back to our team | 13:15 |
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| joehuang | hi, Xiongqiu, shake hand | 13:16 |
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| longxiongqiu | ：） | 13:16 |
| joehuang | long time no see | 13:16 |
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| longxiongqiu | yes, i just come back yesterday | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | I'll try to find some material about unit test and functional test. and share that to you in #openstack---\\-\\\-tricircle | 13:19 |
| joehuang | #openstack-tricircle | 13:19 |
| Rong_hui | ok i think is very helpful to us | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | #topic proposal to move tricircle forward for its big-tent application | 13:20 |
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| Rong_hui | also some material about the tempest | 13:20 |
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| joehuang | hello, last week we talked about that the TCs concerns on Tricircle big-tent application | 13:21 |
| joehuang | and the proposal to move forward was prepared | 13:21 |
| joehuang | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1kpVo5rsL6p_rq9TvkuczjommJSsisDiKJiurbhaQg7E/ | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | #info the basic idea for the proposal 2 is to divide tricircle into two sub-projects | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | #info one for networking automation | 13:23 |
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| joehuang | #info the other one for API Gateway for Nova/Cinder | 13:24 |
| joehuang | so would like to know your comments | 13:24 |
| joehuang | For proposal, plugin mechanism in Nova/Cinder will take long time to discuss | 13:25 |
| joehuang | the proposal 2 will also make tricircle being more flexible in deployment for different scenario | 13:26 |
| zhiyuan | the difference between proposal 2 and our current implementation is that we also need to add a new plugin in bottom Neutron server | 13:28 |
| Rong_hui | i dont really understand about the plugin mechanism | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | to Ronghui, you mean Neutron or Nova/Cinder? | 13:29 |
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| Rong_hui | Cinder | 13:30 |
| joehuang | Nova/Cinder don't support plugin mechnism yet in its API layer | 13:30 |
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| Rong_hui | ok | 13:30 |
| liukun | #info liukun | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | For Nova/Cinder, if we want to add plugin mechanism then we have to develop that in Nova/Cinder, and need Nova/Cinder to approve it | 13:31 |
| joehuang | hi liukun, welcome back | 13:31 |
| liukun | thx | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | need long time discussion in Nova/Cinder team | 13:31 |
| Rong_hui | got it | 13:31 |
| Yipei | why do nova and cinder need plugins, in current implementation, we do not use plugins | 13:32 |
| Rong_hui | +1 | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | there is also proposal for Nova API-GW and Ciner API-GW for global objects like volume_type, flavor implementation to remove the overlapping implementation with Nova/Cinder | 13:33 |
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| shiyangkai | #info shiyangkai | 13:34 |
| zhiyuan | in our current implementation, we need to implement nova/cinder api gateway, we need to handle api request ourselves, parse and validate the request body, process and return the response body | 13:34 |
| joehuang | to Yipei, Because TCs worried about that the tricircle will introduce different in the Nova/Cinder API | 13:35 |
| zhiyuan | if plugin mechanism is introduced, we can focus on the processing, no need to care about the request and response body | 13:35 |
| joehuang | TCs want single API implementation and always keep the API consistency with the openstack documentation | 13:36 |
| Yipei | ok, i see. actually, we do not introduce any different API | 13:36 |
| joehuang | syntax or sematics difference | 13:36 |
| joehuang | we have already used tempest to guarantee the syntax consistency, but they still worried that sematics difference will be there someday | 13:37 |
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| joehuang | welcome shiyangkai | 13:38 |
| joehuang | how do you think about proposal for Nova API-GW and Ciner API-GW for global objects like volume_type, flavor implementation | 13:38 |
| joehuang | to remove the overlapping implementation with Nova/Cinder | 13:38 |
| shiyangkai | thank you very much | 13:39 |
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| zhiyuan | +1 for this proposal | 13:40 |
| joehuang | before project dividen( we also look forward response from community and Monty/TCs etc | 13:40 |
| joehuang | we can do first to move the networking automation trigger from Nova API-GW to local neutron plugin | 13:41 |
| joehuang | and optimize the volume_type/flavor etc implementation | 13:41 |
| joehuang | no matter we divide the project or not, these two proposal brings benefit to Tricircle | 13:42 |
| joehuang | we can wait for comment from community to see if we need to divide the project or not | 13:42 |
| Rong_hui | ok | 13:43 |
| joehuang | how about your thoughts? | 13:43 |
| Rong_hui | i got it | 13:43 |
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| Yipei | no other questions, i think it is a good idea | 13:44 |
| Rong_hui | It is another way for us to let TCs accept more easy and also benefit to Tricircle | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | good | 13:44 |
| joehuang | #info optimize tricircle to be prepared for divide | 13:45 |
| joehuang | other topics? | 13:46 |
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| Rong_hui | no for me | 13:46 |
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| liukun | no | 13:46 |
| yinxiulin | no for me | 13:46 |
| zhiyuan | no for me | 13:46 |
| Yipei | no for me | 13:46 |
| dongfeng | no for me | 13:46 |
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| shiyangkai | no | 13:47 |
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| joehuang | ok, let's conclude the meeting | 13:47 |
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| joehuang | thank you attending the meeting, see you next time | 13:47 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:48 | |
| Yipei | see u | 13:48 |
| zhiyuan | see you | 13:48 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 13:47:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-08-31-13.01.html | 13:48 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-08-31-13.01.txt | 13:48 |
| liukun | see u | 13:48 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-08-31-13.01.log.html | 13:48 |
| Rong_hui | bye | 13:48 |
| dongfeng | see you | 13:48 |
| liukun | bye | 13:48 |
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| leyuquan | bye | 13:50 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting #javascript | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 31 14:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: #javascript)" | 14:00 | |
| krotscheck | ...? | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '_javascript' | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | wait. | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 14:00:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | #startmeeting javascript | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_javascript/2016/_javascript.2016-08-31-14.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_javascript/2016/_javascript.2016-08-31-14.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_javascript/2016/_javascript.2016-08-31-14.00.log.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 31 14:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:00 | |
| krotscheck | There we go | 14:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | Good morning everyone! | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 14:00 |
| cardeois | Hello ! | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | Wooo good progress this week! | 14:00 |
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| krotscheck | #link Agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-08-31 | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | OUt of curiosity, who's been putting together the agenda each week? | 14:01 |
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| * krotscheck wants to thank them. | 14:01 | |
| krotscheck | #topic Action Followup: jsdoc-sphinx | 14:01 |
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| krotscheck | Yeah, I totally didn't do that. | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Create story to fix bugs in jsdoc-sphinx | 14:01 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Action Followup: MVP | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, so lots of meat here. | 14:02 |
| betherly | o/ | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | We've landed most of keystone. There's a bunch of things that shook out as work on glance and neutron started. | 14:02 |
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| cardeois | Yeah almost started | 14:03 |
| krotscheck | cardeois put up a patch to genericize version negotiation. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363304/ | 14:03 |
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| cardeois | For glance DSVM jobs are failing but I found the issue and will fix before the end of the meeting | 14:03 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: Oh? Nice! I was trying to figure out what's going on with this patch -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363301/ | 14:04 |
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| krotscheck | Oh yeah, and we've got a patch up that will turn on voting for DSVM jobs. | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | Glance has been built out all the way to imageList | 14:04 |
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| jprivard | sorry I'm late | 14:05 |
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| krotscheck | Nova's a bit stuck until we have cardeois' version negotiation patch, because nova registers its services differently | 14:05 |
| * krotscheck needs to build on that | 14:05 | |
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| krotscheck | But with nova, glance, and neutron, that's really all we need to get the functional portion of the MVP done | 14:05 |
| krotscheck | (We may need to add key management? | 14:05 |
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| krotscheck | The only outstanding part there then is documentation | 14:06 |
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| krotscheck | I do have a design discussion point on the MVP for later. | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | Any questions on the MVP? | 14:07 |
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| krotscheck | Oh! I forgot. We ripped out all the requestInterception code, as it wasn't being used, and was causing our tests to fail. Once we need it we can always add it back | 14:07 |
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| * msmol is sharing his laptop with cardeois, his keeps crashing | 14:08 | |
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| krotscheck | See, now I'm thinking of this: http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/e/e1/Ettin_-_Sam_Wood.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070221031301 | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | But I digress, moving on | 14:09 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Action Followup: Documentation | 14:09 |
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| krotscheck | Not complete, will punt | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck split design-by-documentation into to-implement segments | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | I think that's it for actions. Anyone have smoething they did last week that they want to highlight to the rest of us? | 14:10 |
| cardeois_ | well not much, just want to remind that all jobs should be green before merging now. As DSVM jobs were fixed | 14:11 |
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| krotscheck | Right, until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363200/ forces it | 14:12 |
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| cardeois | Yes | 14:12 |
| krotscheck | Alright, moving on. | 14:12 |
| vkramskikh | yeah I've merged lots of stuff with red dsvm jobs, by bad | 14:12 |
| cardeois | sure no pb, now you know | 14:12 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Action Followup: Brainstorm Outreach Ideas | 14:12 |
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| krotscheck | So, who's got ideas? | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | My biggest idea this week was when I put to the list that I'm departing OpenStack, and suddenly everyone was interested in the Javascript SDK. | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | In particular, TravT from searchlight. | 14:13 |
| msmol | so what you're saying is, you should announce your depature on a more regular basis to keep interest levels high? | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | msmol: Indeed. Keep coming back and leaving again :) | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | Anyway- he wants to play with the SDK to see whether he can use it for the all-javascript components in the searchlight-ui. | 14:14 |
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| krotscheck | And he ran smack into the lack of a Readme or documentaiton | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | So, yeah, we kinda need that before we ship | 14:15 |
| cardeois | good point | 14:15 |
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| krotscheck | Also, he mentioned that he'd be able to contribute engineering resources to build out searchlight and murano. | 14:15 |
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| krotscheck | And advocate on our behalf inside of HPE. So I'm going to keep that converstaion going, and walk him through any and all pain points that he may encounter as he explores the SDK. | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | i.e. a first user :) | 14:16 |
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| krotscheck | Another idea I had is sending out release announcements to the dev list | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | Did anyone else have ideas? | 14:17 |
| cardeois | mhh not really | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | betherly, anything from you? | 14:17 |
| * krotscheck remembers that betherly was struggling with a check box yesterday. | 14:18 | |
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| betherly | not really at the moment sorry! been pretty deep in ironic-ui stuff getting ready for next release | 14:18 |
| krotscheck | Alrightey! | 14:19 |
| betherly | checkbox issue solved thank goodness. more a case of looking at the same code for too long and not seeing wood for the trees | 14:19 |
| krotscheck | Coolio. | 14:19 |
| krotscheck | Moving on | 14:19 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Keystone Configuration object | 14:20 |
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| krotscheck | So, this is something that I encountered while I was building out glance and nova. | 14:20 |
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| krotscheck | Those two services are, by necessity, configured from their entries in the service catalog. | 14:20 |
| krotscheck | Except... keystone's configured using the clouds.yaml format. | 14:20 |
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| krotscheck | I'd like to propose that keystone also is configured using the same catalog configuration entry, and that that clouds.yaml format be used for the OpenStack SDK wrapper. | 14:21 |
| krotscheck | That way, Clouds,yaml is used to configure a cloud, and the service catalog is used to configure services. | 14:21 |
| krotscheck | Any thoughts? | 14:21 |
| cardeois | Yeah so I agree keystone should be contructed the same way glance and nova are. That means clouds.yaml is used somewhere else, or is optionnal for advanced users. | 14:22 |
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| krotscheck | vkramskikh? ^^ | 14:23 |
| msmol | sounds reasonable... +1 | 14:23 |
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| vkramskikh | +1 from me | 14:23 |
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| krotscheck | Alrightey | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | #agreed use catalog entry to configure keystone | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | #topic switch to babel-transform-runtime | 14:24 |
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| krotscheck | Who put that on the agenda? | 14:24 |
| vkramskikh | it was me | 14:25 |
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| vkramskikh | I think it's necessary before cutting MVP | 14:25 |
| krotscheck | #link https://www.npmjs.com/package/babel-plugin-transform-runtime | 14:25 |
| vkramskikh | because web bundle currently is about 300kb in size | 14:25 |
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| vkramskikh | because it includes the whole babel-polyfill | 14:25 |
| krotscheck | So, just to clarify.... | 14:25 |
| cardeois | oh wow | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | What this does is it takes all our polyfills, and makes sure they don't end up in the final package. | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | That'd then require our end users to add them as dependencies themselves? | 14:26 |
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| krotscheck | (Which should be automatic) | 14:26 |
| vkramskikh | no, it just polyfills only necessary parts which are actually used in the porject | 14:27 |
| msmol | that's super cool, good idea vkramskikh | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | Oh, gotcha | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | Nice! | 14:27 |
| vkramskikh | for example, we don't use generators, so it won't include polyfills for generators in the resulting bundle | 14:27 |
| cardeois | +1 ! | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | +1 | 14:27 |
| msmol | have you tried including it yet? by how much can we expect to shrink? | 14:28 |
| krotscheck | (Also, generators don't work that well, because apparently babel doesn't play well with yield | 14:28 |
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| vkramskikh | no i didn't do this yet for js-openstack-lib, though it's used in fuel | 14:28 |
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| krotscheck | vkramskikh: What was the impact on fuel? | 14:29 |
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| vkramskikh | krotscheck: I doubt I can remember exact number, but I think it was about 30-40 kb, but that' because fuel is quite large project | 14:29 |
| vkramskikh | for js-openstack-lib it should reduce the size dramatically | 14:29 |
| krotscheck | RIght, and we're still pretty small | 14:29 |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh: Are you able to do that work? | 14:30 |
| * krotscheck doesn't know what the effort would be. | 14:30 | |
| vkramskikh | krotscheck: I think I am, shouldn't be too hard | 14:30 |
| krotscheck | Awesome! | 14:30 |
| krotscheck | #agreed swithc to babel-transform-runtime | 14:30 |
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| krotscheck | #action vkramskikh Swithc to babel-transform-runtime | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | Any othequestions? | 14:31 |
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| cardeois | nope | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | ALright. | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 14:31 |
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| krotscheck | So, as of next week I'm volunteer-time-only. | 14:32 |
| krotscheck | Also, I will not be at the summit, as my talk was not accepte.d | 14:32 |
| krotscheck | And new-employer will only send me if I have a talk | 14:32 |
| msmol | what new adventures will you be embarking on krotscheck if you don't mind answering ;-) | 14:33 |
| Zara | :( | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | msmol: I will become an App-On-Openstack developer | 14:33 |
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| krotscheck | Or, well, an App-On-Cloud developer | 14:33 |
| cardeois | Cool so that means, you "could" have to use the js-openstack-lib sdk | 14:34 |
| vkramskikh | then I think we should elect more cores, since I cannot spend much time on this project | 14:34 |
| * msmol googles what that means | 14:34 | |
| krotscheck | "Could". | 14:34 |
| cardeois | haha yeah "could" | 14:34 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: Yes, continuing to work on it willd efinitely be part of my new job, only it won't be part of it immediately | 14:34 |
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| * krotscheck can't name his new employer for legal reasons | 14:34 | |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh: I agree. I nominate cardeois, since he's been the most vocal on reviews, and has submitted patches ;) | 14:35 |
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| msmol | +1 | 14:35 |
| vkramskikh | +1 | 14:35 |
| cardeois | cool thanks ! I agree to volunteer | 14:35 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: Sucker. | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | ;) | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | #agreed cardeois elected to core. | 14:36 |
| cardeois | :) | 14:36 |
| vkramskikh | should we organize a formal vote or we can just add him to the core group? | 14:36 |
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| krotscheck | vkramskikh: I'll doublecheck with fungi, since we're still technicall under infra. | 14:36 |
| msmol | depends, who has voting rights? current cores only or open to the public | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | Also, I don't apparently have the rigst to add someone | 14:36 |
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| krotscheck | msmol: Everyone has +1 rights, only cores can +2A and tag a release. | 14:37 |
| msmol | to elect another core is the same? | 14:37 |
| fungi | for infra projects, because we have multiple core review groups, the ptl is the group owner and controls addition/removal of core reviewers | 14:37 |
| cardeois | Thought I have no idea what cores means except for the +2. Is there any other responsability that that? | 14:38 |
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| fungi | if you want to add core reviewers on one of the js repos in infra, just hit me up | 14:38 |
| krotscheck | msmol: Ya know, we never settled on that. I always thought that election-by-consensus-of-cores was the thing, unless someone on the public list had a big big problem. | 14:38 |
| krotscheck | fungi: Danke, willdo :) | 14:38 |
| krotscheck | fungi: Actually, could you add cardeois as a core to js-openstack-lib? :D | 14:38 |
| krotscheck | (we just elected him ^^) | 14:38 |
| krotscheck | For now I think this is fine. | 14:39 |
| fungi | in a general openstack developer community sense, core review teams are basically delegated by ptls. the ptl is in turn elected by all contributors to all repos under their project | 14:39 |
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| fungi | krotscheck: sure, just a sec and i'll take care of it | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | Awesome. | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | fungi: Thank you! | 14:40 |
| krotscheck | Anything else for open discussion | 14:40 |
| krotscheck | ?? | 14:40 |
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| cardeois | nope | 14:40 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1408,members | 14:40 |
| fungi | cardeois has been added | 14:40 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: Congratulations! | 14:40 |
| cardeois | great, thanks fungi and krotscheck | 14:40 |
| fungi | welcome to added responsibility! ;) | 14:41 |
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| msmol | Oh gee I hope this new power doesn't get to his head. I still have to sit next to him all day :o | 14:41 |
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| krotscheck | msmol: It's your job to keep him in chEKC | 14:41 |
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| krotscheck | Argh baby fingers | 14:41 |
| krotscheck | Alright, i'm calling the meeting. Thanks everyone! | 14:41 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 14:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 14:41:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-08-31-14.00.html | 14:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-08-31-14.00.txt | 14:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-08-31-14.00.log.html | 14:41 |
| cardeois | bye! | 14:41 |
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| Zara | that meeting ended dramatically :D | 14:42 |
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| * Zara hopes krotscheck eventually retrieves his keyboard from the baby | 14:43 | |
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| krotscheck | Zara: Yeaaah that's going to eb tricky | 14:43 |
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| Zara | :) if the baby can do a convincing impersonation then I guess we'll be fine | 14:44 |
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| Zara | storyboard meeting time! anyone around? | 15:00 |
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| matthewbodkin | hey | 15:01 |
| Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 31 15:01:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:01 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
| Zara | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 15:01 |
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| Zara | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| Zara | None here! | 15:02 |
| Zara | #topic Urgent Items | 15:02 |
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| SotK | hey! | 15:02 |
| Zara | none listed, again. | 15:02 |
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| Zara | #topic In Progress Work | 15:02 |
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| Zara | I didn't get round to updating the agenda with mine | 15:02 |
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| Zara | I've been documenting the python client! | 15:03 |
| Zara | #info Zara has been documenting the python client | 15:03 |
| Zara | and misc other things | 15:03 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362878/3 | 15:03 |
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| Zara | we have a couple of patches for the gerrit-storyboard syntax docs awaiting reviews | 15:04 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360668/ | 15:04 |
| Zara | and | 15:04 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361423/ | 15:04 |
| Zara | other than that, tiny UI fixes and review from me. | 15:04 |
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| SotK | I've been fixing bugs in the events timeline patch | 15:05 |
| SotK | and am now fixing bugs in the subscriptions for worklists patch | 15:05 |
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| SotK | and soon I will resend them both containing less bugs | 15:05 |
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| Zara | \o/ | 15:05 |
| ricolin | o/ | 15:05 |
| Zara | hi ricolin | 15:06 |
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| Zara | the versions with more bugs are more fun to review, but I think it's a fair trade-off :) | 15:06 |
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| Zara | any updates from anyone else? | 15:07 |
| Zara | oh, I also tried to look at task links/notes aliasing last week, to unblock the complex priorities patch | 15:08 |
| SotK | The "add to worklist from story view" thing hasn't moved since I've been sidetracked fixing bugs | 15:08 |
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| Zara | hah, snappish. | 15:08 |
| Zara | well I tried to fix the thing blocking it and discovered I'd misunderstood something | 15:08 |
| Zara | so I hope to look at it again after the meeting | 15:09 |
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| Zara | otherwise I'll need to ask about process for renaming something in the db, and I imagine do it as two migrations | 15:09 |
| Zara | (that is, rename as one, new thing with old name as other) | 15:09 |
| SotK | should be able to do it all in one migration | 15:10 |
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| SotK | (rename column, add new column with old name) | 15:10 |
| Zara | I thought two would be easier to avoid mistakes if I'm not sure of it, but if I can run it by someone before I run it then I'm happy to try it all-in-one | 15:10 |
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| persia | The problem with two migrations is that it is trickier to ensure the DB is in a consistent state after a commit. | 15:11 |
| persia | Doing the transition in a single migration is likely more sensible. | 15:11 |
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| Zara | but it's a shame; I thought to unblock it all we'd need would be for task links to be called task notes everywhere except the db (and one place in the api that changes the name to 'notes')... | 15:12 |
| Zara | but then I couldn't find a way to do that | 15:12 |
| Zara | so if there are any pointers on that I can get on that now | 15:12 |
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| Zara | anyway, that's where that's at. | 15:13 |
| Zara | no discussion topics... | 15:13 |
| Zara | so if nobody has anything to add... | 15:14 |
| Zara | #topic Open Discussion | 15:14 |
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| Zara | I think that's our record! anybody have anything to discuss? | 15:14 |
| Zara | one week later, ish, gerrit integration seems to be working fine | 15:15 |
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| Zara | though I've just remembered we meant to make sure it could auth for private stories | 15:16 |
| Zara | zaro also asked in-channel about the process for adding projects to storyboard, which I wanted to ask about more widely, but he doesn't seem to be about right now | 15:17 |
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| Zara | still, if any infra folk have some input on that, maybe it's good to have it here for the logs | 15:18 |
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| Zara | ^ fungi | 15:19 |
| Zara | (this is for non-infra projects) | 15:19 |
| fungi | basically just adding use-storyboard: true in the gerrit/projects.yaml file in the openstack-infra/project-config repo | 15:20 |
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| fungi | though if they need existing bugs imported from launchpad that gets trickier | 15:20 |
| fungi | we'll have a migration plan at some point for how/when to make that happen properly | 15:20 |
| Zara | okay, thank you. :) should I update the storyboard stuff in system-config? there's a note that says only infra projects should go up on storyboard, but I think that's out of date | 15:21 |
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| Zara | yeah, I have a feeling the lp migration script has some cobwebs | 15:21 |
| fungi | yeah, i think it's fine to update that, though the situation is still a little complex | 15:21 |
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| Zara | heh, okay, I can mention that things are more complex for folks wishing to import existing bugs... | 15:22 |
| fungi | even once we get the migration script fixed up for current storyboard, there's still the complication that many projects in launchpad have bug overlap with other projects (bugs affecting multiple projects) so it's fiddly if we import one project and not the others | 15:23 |
| Zara | inching forward toward the day when it can say 'GO FOR IT, FULFILL ALL YOUR TASK-TRACKING DREAMS' | 15:23 |
| Zara | ah, okay | 15:23 |
| fungi | which is why coordinating a migration is touchy... we pretty much need to do a lot of our major projects as a big-bang cutover | 15:23 |
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| fungi | all-or-none there | 15:24 |
| Zara | yeah, especially awkward since the whole strength is how it works for cross-project work. | 15:24 |
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| fungi | it would be easier if lp didn't also work passably for cross-project task tracking :/ | 15:24 |
| fungi | but because it does, we have quite a lot of interlinked bug reports in there | 15:25 |
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| Zara | yeah | 15:26 |
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| Zara | I hope we can find a way forward with it; so far we've talked to a representative from nova about their blockers and they don't seem too big, but other projects are an unknown. | 15:30 |
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| * SotK hopes so too | 15:34 | |
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| Zara | I intend to make some noise around the python client so people can try interacting with the StoryBoard api | 15:37 |
| Zara | since I can guess that that will come up again and again | 15:37 |
| Zara | as every project will have scripts | 15:38 |
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| SotK | that is probably a good start | 15:39 |
| Zara | so actually, that reminds me, I think we either need a new home for those docs online, or we put them in wiht hte storyboard odcs | 15:39 |
| Zara | erm, put them in with the storyboard docs | 15:40 |
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| Zara | the python client has docs in its own repo | 15:40 |
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| persia | Are the python client docs rendered somewhere accessible? | 15:40 |
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| Zara | not that I'm aware of, that's what I mean | 15:41 |
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| Zara | I don't think they're on docs.openstack.org, and now sure how things get there | 15:41 |
| persia | To follow the example of other projects, I think they belong in different places. | 15:42 |
| persia | Contrast the python-novaclient docs to the compute API docs. | 15:43 |
| Zara | yeah, the webclient is on storyboard so I wondered if that would stop folks looking elsewhere for python client docs and just assume we had none | 15:43 |
| Zara | *webclient docs are lumped in with storyboard api docs | 15:43 |
| persia | Personally, I think the webclient docs belong somewhere else, but I'm not sure there's a good default yet. | 15:43 |
| * SotK agrees that webclient docs belong elsewhere | 15:43 | |
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| Zara | agree, though storyboard is a lot smaller than nova so I'm not sure it matters so much. | 15:44 |
| persia | I suspect the right place to ask is the javascript team meeting, to find best practices for other JS UI docs. | 15:44 |
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| * SotK agrees with that too | 15:44 | |
| persia | Pity that just concluded, so there's 166.25 hours until the next one :) | 15:44 |
| Zara | I'm in favour of separating the docs and then making docs for one part to link to the docs for the other parts | 15:44 |
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| Zara | so to me it's a question for infra about how to put repo-contents on docs.o.o, and then we just move things/link things as necessary. | 15:46 |
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| persia | Seems a sensible approach. | 15:46 |
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| SotK | it may be that there is a favoured tool for js projects that is not sphinx | 15:47 |
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| Zara | yeah, there's been work and discussion on it and I'm not sure where it's up to off the top of my head; krotscheck, wanna fill us in? | 15:49 |
| krotscheck | There is, sortof. | 15:49 |
| Zara | uh oh | 15:50 |
| * krotscheck is fighting with an infant for access to the keyboard | 15:50 | |
| krotscheck | There's a project called jsdoc-sphinx | 15:50 |
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| krotscheck | It converts JSDoc output into RST, which we then pipe through sphinx | 15:50 |
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| krotscheck | The tool is not perfect, but it's better than nothing | 15:50 |
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| krotscheck | For an idea of how to do this, look at this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358120/ | 15:51 |
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| Zara | ah, thanks | 15:52 |
| Zara | I will start experimenting with that though to begin with I'll try to get a home for pythonclient things | 15:53 |
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| Zara | since we have webclient docs up, albeit in the wrong place | 15:53 |
| Zara | whereas we have no pythonclient docs up | 15:53 |
| Zara | so that's marked as more urgent in my head | 15:53 |
| SotK | that looks helpful, thanks krotscheck | 15:53 |
| Zara | I'm happy to see js things getting more independence from python tools in the openstack world | 15:54 |
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| Zara | #action Zara to ask infra about a home for python client docs | 15:56 |
| Zara | 3 mins left | 15:57 |
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| * SotK has nothing else to discuss | 15:57 | |
| Zara | okay, ending this meeting! Thanks, everyone! :) | 15:58 |
| Zara | #endmeeting storyboard | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 15:58:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| SotK | thanks Zara :) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-08-31-15.01.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-08-31-15.01.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-08-31-15.01.log.html | 15:58 |
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| matthewbodkin | thanks guys, and with that I need to head off for my driving lesson, 'night | 15:59 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 31 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylike.hu | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| geguileo | o/ | 16:00 |
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| _alastor__ | o/ | 16:00 |
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| eharney | \o | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Hola | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_Cinder_Team_meeting | 16:00 |
| baumann | Hello | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| ntpttr | o/ | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | Hey | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| mtanino | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
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| swap-nil | hi | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | Somehow we are already at N-3 | 16:01 |
| tommylikehu_ | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Time flies when you're having fun. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:01 |
| tommylikehu_ | that's true | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:01 |
| dulek | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | So this is feature freeze, soft string freeze, and client freeze. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | And requirements freeze. | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| Swanson | Hello | 16:01 |
| dulek | Freezes are explained here: https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:01 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: If somebody wants to request an FFE, when does it need to happen? | 16:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Time flies when you're having fun. | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | So let's try to wrap up any outstanding items, then work on testing and making sure we're sending out something good. | 16:02 |
| DuncanT | It's too warm here to freeze anything. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: Begging and gifts of high quality coffee. :) | 16:02 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: +1 | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: I don't think we need a formal FFE process. | 16:02 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: And is there a date limit? | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | At least we haven't so far. | 16:02 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: So anytime within the next 2 weeks would be OK? | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | I've always left it at the discretion of the core team whether to allow anything in after the freeze. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Based on the risk and importance. | 16:03 |
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| DuncanT | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337061/ is been aproved for a while but is triggering jenkins bugs, I'd like to nominate it for FFE | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Yeah, I think so. | 16:03 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: Thanks | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Up until we tag RC I think is OK, if we are all OK with the risk of letting it in. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:03 |
| tommylikehu_ | +1 | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | I'll chase the jenkins issue again | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: I'm hoping this last recheck makes it through. | 16:04 |
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| e0ne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178262/ - can we get it in Newton? | 16:04 |
| tommylikehu_ | hoping so | 16:04 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: +1 | 16:04 |
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| geguileo | (not to the chase but to the FFE) | 16:04 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: IMO, FFE is good if it caused by jenkins failure | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: It is triggering a know bug in the ansible code according to infra folks. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | If anyone has any high priority items to make it in to Newton, please ping cores in #openstack-cinder and make sure we are aware of it. | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: I agree, just wanted to bring it up | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Oh? I hadn't heard of that one yet. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yeah, I agree too. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #topic Options for maintaining os-brick on stable branches | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: Hey | 16:06 |
| geguileo | Hi! | 16:06 |
| hemna | hey | 16:06 |
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| geguileo | Ok, we seem to be stuck in a situation where we cannot change stable releases os-brick versions | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Speaking of backward compatibility: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/363444/ | 16:06 |
| geguileo | On one hand we don't do backports, even though semver would allow it | 16:06 |
| hemna | geguileo, why do we need to? there is no upper constraint, just get the latest version | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | I think that was always fine until we added privsep. | 16:07 |
| geguileo | hemna: What do you mean there's no upper constraint? | 16:07 |
| geguileo | hemna: There is an upper constraint in requirements project | 16:07 |
| hemna | is there? | 16:07 |
| geguileo | Yes | 16:07 |
| hemna | bah | 16:07 |
| dulek | Currently 1.5 I think. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | So we've never really had a need to do a stable library release before. But that doesn't mean we can't. | 16:08 |
| geguileo | And if we try to bump it like here | 16:08 |
| eharney | i don't see much reason not to do releases for older branches | 16:08 |
| geguileo | https://review.openstack.org/360878 | 16:08 |
| e0ne | hemna: https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/stable/mitaka/upper-constraints.txt | 16:08 |
| eharney | it will be nice for large fixes once master has moved forward a lot | 16:08 |
| hemna | eharney, +1 | 16:08 |
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| geguileo | We have problems because now we have privsep and we cannot do the version bump | 16:08 |
| diablo_rojo | dulek, Yes I think you're right, 1.5 | 16:08 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:08 |
| geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:08 |
| tommylikehu_ | +1 | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Our policy isn't/wasn't that we absolutely will not do stable releases. Just we never had a need to before. | 16:08 |
| geguileo | And we already have a bunch of patches in stable/liberty ahead of master | 16:09 |
| hemna | so the issue is pulling a new version of brick that then installs privsep where it didn't exist previously? | 16:09 |
| geguileo | https://github.com/openstack/os-brick/compare/0.5.0...stable/liberty | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | Are we better dumping privsep as a failed experiment? Seems to have done way more harm than good, and has bought zero security improvements so far | 16:09 |
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| hemna | DuncanT, -1 | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | What? How is privsep a failed experiment? | 16:09 |
| hemna | nah man, we can't | 16:09 |
| eharney | i'm pretty sure we should continue with privsep | 16:09 |
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| geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:09 |
| hemna | if we go that route, then the same argument will be made that brick is a failed experiment | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | Why? | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Agreed. It has been a mess! | 16:10 |
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| DuncanT | hemna: Ah, ok, that's a point, though I would disagree with anybody saying that | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | We've had some transition issues, but I don't think the premise is wrong. | 16:10 |
| eharney | we are working on initial problems, but the good stuff like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312498/ is still barely starting | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: I don't think they would say that. | 16:10 |
| hemna | because nova won't tolerate going back to being tightly coupled with rootwrap filters and brick versions. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | eharney: +1 | 16:10 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, How much luck have you had talking to angus about the crap messages it throws? | 16:10 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, that's what nova was saying previously | 16:10 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, that unless we fixed the rootwrap filter nightmare that nova wanted to nuke using brick. | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: I have a todo to get him more info this week. | 16:11 |
| hemna | it's the entire reason we moved to privsep in the first place | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Hope to work on that tomorrow maybe. | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: I don't think with stable policy we can do much for liberty anymore. But we could certainly release a new Mitaka os-brick release. | 16:11 |
| hemna | diablo_rojo, I have a defect filed against privsep that's been there for a while | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Ah, ok. So we did privsep to make Nova happy. | 16:11 |
| hemna | zero response, and the bug hasn't been triaged | 16:11 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: no | 16:12 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: Yeah, I wasn't aiming at liberty really XD | 16:12 |
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| DuncanT | eharney: Ah ha, I hadn't seen that, thanks, that is more encouraging | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: I have one for some issues where privsep just doesn't send any info back that had us wrapped around the axel for days. | 16:12 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I just think that we should allow backports to os-brick and do stable releases | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: To decouple the need to copy rootwrap files between nova and cinder and to be able to move forward with better more secure privileged code. | 16:12 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, yes, because when new connectors are added or when a new command needs to be executed for a connector, you have to ship os-brick, and then put a patch against nova to add the new rootwrap filter. | 16:12 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: there are pure-cinder things that privsep gives us, i dunno where that's coming from | 16:12 |
| hemna | that's bad mmmkay | 16:12 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna, *sigh* | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: For an issue that is easy to encounter. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: I'm good with that. | 16:12 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: Should we vote? | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: We can get some things backported, then raise the Mitaka upper constraints after we release a 1.4.1 or whatever version it would be. | 16:13 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: Because in the end it'll be the stable maintainer who'll -2 those patches | 16:13 |
| geguileo | XD | 16:13 |
| hemna | geguileo, so what and how many are we needing to backport | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Just has to be minor backwards compatible bugfixes. | 16:13 |
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| * jungleboyj nominates diablo_rojo to support privsep. ;-) | 16:13 | |
| geguileo | hemna: Well, there's the multipath patches | 16:13 |
| geguileo | hemna: And there was another patch trying to get in | 16:13 |
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| hemna | well, I'm not sure those are really issues to be honest | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, That sounds like a decent plan. | 16:14 |
| geguileo | hemna: For now, I can think of 4 patches | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: eharney Ok, I will be honest that I haven't fully understood the privsep stuff. | 16:14 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: So we would add a 1.4.1 release for stable/mitaka to get wanted bug fixes in? | 16:14 |
| hemna | ok, so I'm fine with backports because of privsep | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yep. | 16:14 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok, sounds good. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | So stable folks, let's look at backports for os-brick. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | If we're good with what's there we can request a new .1 release. | 16:15 |
| geguileo | So we all agree that backporting in os-brick is allowed and that we'll do stable releases? | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Once that's released we can raise upper-constraints for stable/mitaka | 16:15 |
| scottda | +1 | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: See the patch Eric linked... it shows what privsep is *meant* to be like | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Judiciously | 16:15 |
| hemna | shit, so mitaka is stuck at 1.2.0 | 16:15 |
| hemna | fwiw | 16:15 |
| hemna | so even if we did a 1.2.1 for a bugfix mitaka won't get it | 16:16 |
| hemna | and 1.2.0 is ancient. | 16:16 |
| hemna | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/stable/mitaka/upper-constraints.txt#L202 | 16:16 |
| hemna | so I don't think we are solving anything. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Why wouldn't it get a 1.2.1? | 16:16 |
| hemna | it's upper constraint pegged at 1.2.0 | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | It certainly limits what we can get backported, but we can raise the upper constraint to 1.2.1 once we have a release. | 16:16 |
| geguileo | hemna: Even if we end up not solving anything for Mitaka, maybe it will help for Newton once it's in stable | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Will do. | 16:17 |
| hemna | are we even allowed to touch those upper constraints for stable branches ? | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Might not be an issue after this point. At least until another big thing like privsep comes along. | 16:17 |
| eharney | you can bump them via the normal requirements process on its stable branch to some degree | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, we can if we need to. | 16:17 |
| hemna | ok | 16:17 |
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| hemna | 1.2.0 is so damn old though | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | hemna: No kidding. I was hoping it was newer than that. | 16:17 |
| hemna | :( | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | Didn't realize we had done so much since Mitaka freeze. | 16:18 |
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| hemna | anyway, mitaka is crazy out of date with brick then | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: and diablo_rojo were busy! | 16:18 |
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| hemna | so backporting fixes to mitaka isn't really reasonable | 16:18 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj, :) | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | hemna: There's probably not too much we can actually backport, but maybe some bugfixes. | 16:19 |
| hemna | but that also means that newton is the first release to use privsep | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Yep | 16:19 |
| geguileo | hemna: I think some patches can actually be backported | 16:19 |
| ntpttr | hemna: yeah actually another thing I ran into in rolling upgrades testing is that cinder-manage doesn't work after pulling down master | 16:19 |
| hemna | smcginnis, there have been so many changes since the 1.1.X and 1.2.X versions that it's to many changes imho | 16:20 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna, Is that a bad thing since we aren't really sure if it works now anyways? | 16:20 |
| ntpttr | because of an import in brick that it can't find | 16:20 |
| hemna | I completely rewrote the multipath code since 1.2.x | 16:20 |
| eharney | this is a good example of something that would be backported to mitaka os-brick: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341085/ | 16:20 |
| hemna | it would be tough | 16:20 |
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| dulek | ntpttr: Same happens when you install 1.5, which is in upper-constraints? | 16:20 |
| hemna | eharney, the encryptors stuff didn't exist back then in brick | 16:21 |
| geguileo | hemna: Yeah, maybe they can't be backported | 16:21 |
| ntpttr | dulek: the only thing I tried to fix it, which worked, was to do 'pip install -U os-brick' | 16:21 |
| geguileo | hemna: But at least we open the patch to do backports for the future | 16:21 |
| ntpttr | that fixed the problem | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | OK, we'll see if there is enough that can be backported and enough value to warrant a new stable release. If so we can do the release and bump the upper constraint. | 16:21 |
| geguileo | hemna: If it doesn't work for Mitaka, bad luck ;-) | 16:21 |
| eharney | the executor stuff did... | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | If not, oh well | 16:21 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Should we make a list of things to backport somewhere? | 16:21 |
| hemna | geguileo, but I thought the reasoning behing allowing backports was because of privsep | 16:21 |
| hemna | so..... | 16:22 |
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| hemna | Newton requires it | 16:22 |
| geguileo | hemna: Not only because of privsep | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | That's just the compelling reason at this point I think. | 16:22 |
| eharney | diablo_rojo: we should track such things in launchpad, there are methods for doing that we've used for a long time already | 16:22 |
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| hemna | and prior to Newton the upper constraints is so old that backporting is going to be tough | 16:22 |
| diablo_rojo | eharney, That works. | 16:22 |
| geguileo | hemna: But we probably cannot go on bumping stable os-brick version unless we ensure backward compatibility | 16:22 |
| geguileo | hemna: Which afaik we don't do | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Definitely we're not backporting privsep! :) | 16:22 |
| hemna | I'm just saying I'm not seeing much value. the backports to the 1.1.x and 1.2.x will be few and far between. | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Your probably right. | 16:23 |
| eharney | 1.1.x and 1.2.x are both Newton... it will take a bit to see what we'd want to backport there? (and we'd only backport to 1.2.x anyway, i think) | 16:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Agreed | 16:23 |
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| hemna | geguileo, well for the most part that's been the idea. any of my major work I've done in os-brick has always tried, if not required backwards compatibility | 16:23 |
| hemna | and I was under the assumption that always had to be the case. | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Oh come on, live dangerously. ;-) | 16:23 |
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| eharney | if 1.1.x was created and obsoleted within newton then there isn't a reason to backport to it | 16:24 |
| hemna | eharney, +1 | 16:24 |
| geguileo | hemna: It should be the case, but we don't try it as strictly as in cinder afaik | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | For future reference, though, this is important to agree upon. Unfortunate that privsep complicates it in this case. | 16:24 |
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| hemna | geguileo, I've been enforcing it as much as possible in brick | 16:25 |
| diablo_rojo | eharney +1 | 16:25 |
| hemna | which is one of the reasons that diablo_rojo and I had so much trouble getting the connector break out patch in | 16:25 |
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| eharney | to be sure on backward compatibility we need to define a policy and ensure we have gate jobs to back it up | 16:25 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna yeah that was..quite the experience.. | 16:25 |
| eharney | i don't really know how close we are to that at this point | 16:25 |
| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:25 |
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| geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I think the tests run when we try to bump the u-c are the enforcement there, but too little too late probably. | 16:26 |
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| eharney | i think today we were mostly trying to find our way toward a policy | 16:26 |
| hemna | eharney, there are gate jobs that test ceph and lio | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | I don't think our policy was ever that we wouldn't do a stable library release. Just that we never had need to before. | 16:27 |
| hemna | so I guess what I'm asking is, does it make sense to allow an Ocata/Master fix backported to stable/Newton | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Onward and upward. | 16:27 |
| hemna | since newton requires privsep | 16:27 |
| hemna | and that's really the major limiting factor IMO | 16:27 |
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| eharney | i think it does because a lot of fixes will be independent of privsep (hopefully) | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: It sounds like that is what we are leaning towards. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | eharney: +1 | 16:28 |
| eharney | or be reworked to fit the old model as part of the backport process | 16:28 |
| hemna | eharney, sure, but the reason we wanted to allow backports was because we couldn't force privsep on older releases | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | privsep just complicates it in this case. | 16:28 |
| eharney | i don't think that was the reason... | 16:28 |
| hemna | and now moving forward privsep will be there, just get the latest version. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | eharney: If we need to change rootwrap filters, I don't think that's going to fly. | 16:28 |
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| hemna | eharney, afaik it was | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: +1 Yep | 16:28 |
| geguileo | hemna: If we don't allow backports, and we'll be doing version bumps, we need a job to test os-brick against N-1 release on every patch, right? | 16:28 |
| hemna | that's the only justification | 16:29 |
| eharney | well, i'll say it this way, that's not the reason i'm interested in backports | 16:29 |
| geguileo | By version bumps I mean bumping the upper constraints | 16:29 |
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| eharney | it's the same idea as cinder stable backports... you grab important fixes and assess risk vs benefit etc | 16:29 |
| hemna | geguileo, yah to have newton get a new version it'd require a upper constraints bump | 16:29 |
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| geguileo | hemna: But then we should be making sure nothing in master gets merged that would break that, right? | 16:30 |
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| hemna | the one downside to just pulling the latest, is you'll get new features | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: The patch to raise u-c will test that, but that doesn't help make sure nothing gets in to break backwards compat before then. | 16:30 |
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| hemna | when you may have only wanted a simple critical bug fix | 16:30 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: That's the problem | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Yeah | 16:30 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: By then, if it's broken we probably have no way of getting out | 16:31 |
| winston-d | what's the highest os-brick version w/o privsep? | 16:31 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: Because we can't do the bump or backports | 16:31 |
| hemna | 1.4 ? | 16:31 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: Same situation as we are now | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | winston-d: 1.4. I believe. | 16:31 |
| hemna | so from a distribution's perspective they'd just want bug fixes I'd guess | 16:31 |
| hemna | and not be required to pull the latest version for an older release, just to get a fix in. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Well, if we backport and it fails when we try to raise to 1.4.1, we could always go for a 1.4.2, right. ;) | 16:32 |
| winston-d | so I assume the stable os-brick would be do another 1.4.x release with some 1.5+ changes backported to 1.4.x? | 16:32 |
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| hemna | so for newton are we going to set the upper constraint to <= 1.7.0 ? | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | winston-d: We might have to look at 1.2.1 since 1.2.0 was the cap for Mitaka. | 16:32 |
| hemna | then any 1.6.X fixes can go in | 16:32 |
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| hemna | 1.6.0 is the latest release | 16:33 |
| hemna | and is what newton will use | 16:33 |
| winston-d | smcginnis: so bumping cap for stable branch is not allowed? | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | It's currently 1.5 https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/upper-constraints.txt#L201 | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: I think that makes sense. | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | hemna: We need to address the unit test failures from using 1.6 before we can raise it. | 16:33 |
| geguileo | winston-d: It is allowed afaik | 16:33 |
| hemna | eharney, does that make sense ? | 16:33 |
| winston-d | nova and cinder is the only consumer/downstream project of os-brick, I assume. | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I was going to ask for a 1.6.1 that adds the connector mapping that Tony put up. | 16:34 |
| hemna | winston-d, the cinderclient extension does | 16:34 |
| hemna | as well | 16:34 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 16:34 |
| eharney | it would be <1.7.0... but, i think so | 16:34 |
| winston-d | ok, so if nova.mitaka & cinderclient extension.mitaka is happy iwht 1.4x os-brick, we can bump upper cap then. | 16:34 |
| hemna | eharney, ah yah < not <= | 16:35 |
| eharney | nova mitaka has u-c of ==1.2.0 | 16:35 |
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| eharney | cinder mitaka has !=1.4.0 | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Oh yeah, we need to make sure not to forget Nova. :-) | 16:35 |
| hemna | winston-d, master u-c is 1.5.0 | 16:35 |
| hemna | so newton is already using privsep (as a requirement for nova) | 16:36 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: the requirements process manages all of this centrally anyway, in theory... it should be pretty hard to forget and break it | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Oh yeah, I think 1.4 was actually where we added privsep, then everything blew up in grenade tests and there was the lengthy debate about how to handle upgrades. | 16:36 |
| diablo_rojo | eharney, Lol, in theory. | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | eharney: :-) *crossing fingers* | 16:36 |
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| winston-d | so 1.3.x then... | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | Well, in the interest of time, we can look at doing stable releases if we need to. Let's move on. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: That OK? | 16:37 |
| hemna | smcginnis, I'm ok with it fwiw | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Thanks! :) | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | Did we lose geguileo ? | 16:38 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: No I'm here | 16:38 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: :) | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: You ok if I move on? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: He started the fight and left. ;-) | 16:38 |
| hemna | I just really wanted to understand the reasoning and need. | 16:38 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: If you set an agreed item I will be glad to move on ;-) | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | If we have a needm then there's a reason. :) | 16:38 |
| DuncanT | 20 minute warning... | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: I think the agreed item is we will look at what can be backported safely, and if things needed can safely be backported we will do a stable release and raise the Mitaka upper constraints. | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | Anyone absolutely against that? | 16:39 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I'm ok with that | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | OK... | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | #topic Add volume-type filter to Get-Pools | 16:40 |
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| tommylikehu_ | yes, small feature https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362747/ | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: You're up. | 16:40 |
| tommylikehu_ | depends on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/allow-api-users-to-get-info-about-a-specified-pool | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | Seems reasonable. So just like we have volume_backend=X extra specs, you're prosposing including pool as an explicit option? | 16:41 |
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| * smcginnis hasn't read the spec yet | 16:41 | |
| eharney | is it true that you can always determine which types can and can't land on a pool in a meaningful way? | 16:42 |
| bswartz | spec was published yesterday... | 16:42 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis:yes | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362747/ Pool spec | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | eharney: Almost totally true, and should be true | 16:42 |
| tommylikehu_ | lol | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: We'll be reviewing specs for Ocata soon. Is there a specific point you wanted to discuss in the meeting? | 16:43 |
| tommylikehu_ | actual no | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: Or just get visibility and awareness? | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: OK, cool. | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: I'll move along then. Thanks! | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | #topic Whether use OVO object instead of ORM object in a function receiving OVO object through RPC | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | Lisa's not here though. | 16:44 |
| Guest36472 | smcginnis: I am here | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | Guest36472: Oh good. | 16:44 |
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| jungleboyj | Hiding as a guest. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/patch268608 | 16:44 |
| Guest36472 | let me clarify the problem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268609/31/cinder/volume/manager.py in the function of detach_volume, both ovo object and db object is used | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | I'm looking to dulek and geguileo :) | 16:45 |
| Guest36472 | the problem is that in this patch I add corresponding interfaces in ovo object, and use ovo object instead of db object | 16:45 |
| dulek | I'm here. ;) | 16:45 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I've reviewed both patches in question | 16:45 |
| dulek | I thought we've agreed that this is fine for objects flying over RPC and the problem was if we want to switch from sending plain IDs to sending whole o.vo | 16:46 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: And I don't think we really have any problem, but let's hear what Guest36472 has to say | 16:46 |
| geguileo | dulek: +1 | 16:46 |
| Guest36472 | smcginnis: geguileo: dulek: John raised a question whether should add usch ovo methods as seems it increases complex | 16:47 |
| geguileo | Guest36472: I know, but we discussed it on the IRC channel | 16:47 |
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| geguileo | Guest36472: And I think he ended up saying that it was ok | 16:47 |
| geguileo | At least that's what I last remember | 16:47 |
| bswartz | when OVO was introduced, the theory was that we wouldn't need to use ORM objects anymore on RPC call handlers | 16:48 |
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| Guest36472 | I didn't get his response from the irc. But anyway if both of you think it is ok, I will move on | 16:48 |
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| geguileo | Guest36472: I think it's OK | 16:48 |
| geguileo | Just some nits I commented on the patches | 16:49 |
| bswartz | it was supposed to act more or less like OVO does in nova, but without a conductor service | 16:49 |
| Guest36472 | geguileo: yes I just submitted the patches, but I think I still have some update to do | 16:49 |
| geguileo | bswartz: Yeah, and I really think we should make our scheduler work as a conductor for OVOs | 16:49 |
| Guest36472 | geguileo: +1 | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | We should probably update the devref with details of where we're aiming to get to with this ovo work | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | 10 minute warning | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: Why? | 16:50 |
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| dulek | DuncanT: That would help us with DB schema changes. | 16:50 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Because right now it's quite "fragile" and we have a lot of complex stuff going on to work around the lack of conductor | 16:51 |
| dulek | DuncanT: Nova is handling a lot of DB upgtrade problems in o.vo because only conductor accesses the DB. | 16:51 |
| dulek | (techically conductor and n-api) | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | If we're going that way, add a conductor, don't overload the scheduler | 16:51 |
| winston-d | DuncanT: +1 | 16:52 |
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| geguileo | DuncanT: Well, this is quick work | 16:52 |
| * bswartz wonders if conductor is a better approach to rolling upgrades than what we have | 16:52 | |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Oh, we have been here before. :-) | 16:52 |
| dulek | DuncanT: Hm, +1, we might want to switch to something like Gannt one day | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | c-api performance would suck if we got rid of direct db access in api | 16:52 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: But I'm ok either way | 16:52 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:52 |
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| geguileo | DuncanT: Oh, but the idea wouldn't be to have an actual conductor | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT | geguileo: Can we talk in the cinder channel after the meeting? I'd like to understand the issues | 16:52 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: It would only be a service to do the backporting of OVOs when necessary | 16:53 |
| dulek | bswartz: It helps with schema changes - you can upgrade conductors in an atomic steps - requests will get queued in MQ. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Might be good to take this there later since we still have another topic. | 16:53 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Ok | 16:53 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:53 |
| bswartz | dulek: I know how it works, what I don't know is whether it's superior to what we're trying to do | 16:53 |
| dulek | Okay, so we've agreed Lisa's patches are okay? | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Guest36472: Thanks | 16:53 |
| Guest36472 | thanks all of yo | 16:53 |
| Guest36472 | s/yo/you | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | dulek: I think that was what I was hearing. | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | With some comments to address yet. | 16:54 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Marking NFS as unsupported | 16:54 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Have at it. :) | 16:54 |
| * jungleboyj start crying | 16:54 | |
| jungleboyj | ;-) | 16:54 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | So I bought this up. We defined a policy a few weeks ago, we should follow it | 16:54 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, Lol | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I was just typing up something along those lines! :) | 16:55 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1 | 16:55 |
| hemna | DuncanT, because there is no NFS CI ? | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | I agree. | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | NFS fails to have CI and it fails to meet minimum features | 16:55 |
| jgregor | DuncanT: +1 | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | (I did ping jungleboyj privately, for the record, to see how much pain this would cause) | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: You also mention block driver in the meeting agenda as well... | 16:55 |
| hemna | enable_unsupported_driver=True | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | So, mriedem Responded to the note I sent to the mailing list noting the first thing we should do is get the existing CI working without snapshots and cloning. | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | Need to check if the raw block device driver meets minimum features or not | 16:56 |
| eharney | i objected to doing this for Mitaka because it causes upgrade issues for people | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: I know, giving you a hard time buddy. | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: Objected to what exactly? | 16:56 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: it does, AFAIR | 16:56 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: when i worked on CI, i didn't think it was valuable to make the job run w/o the snapshot features | 16:56 |
| hemna | eharney, so does removing drivers. that issue is dead. | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | I have baumann working on that now. | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | eharney: It is meant to. It is an unsupported driver | 16:56 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: Ok. The agenda item was purely to remind me to ask :-) | 16:56 |
| eharney | hemna: DuncanT: i'll be satisfied with that when someone can explain what it gains us | 16:56 |
| hemna | the driver code stays in tree. | 16:57 |
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| hemna | and the deployer can re-enable it. | 16:57 |
| eharney | ok | 16:57 |
| hemna | instead of having to go out to git and copy/paste code into their new tree. | 16:57 |
| DuncanT | eharney: It encourages vendors to fix their shit, and the inconvenience encourages customers to pressure vendors into fixing their shit | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: It is just following our process. We will get things fixed up and move on. | 16:57 |
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| eharney | DuncanT: the shit is being fixed at maximum shit-fixing speed now | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: It is a little silly but I think we should eat our own dog food here. | 16:57 |
| hemna | at least they have a mechanism to getting access to their volumes. | 16:57 |
| eharney | but it's fine if we'd like to go along with the policy, sure | 16:58 |
| mriedem | eharney: you don't see value in a CI job that runs with the cinder NFS driver? | 16:58 |
| mriedem | when hacking on said driver? | 16:58 |
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| eharney | mriedem: not what i said... i made the CI job. i just intended to let it fail until snapshots landed | 16:58 |
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| DuncanT | eharney: This time, yes, but we have a process, we should follow it. If they fix it before release, we can remove the unsupported flag, and no hard done | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | eharney: Same as any other vendor | 16:58 |
| eharney | DuncanT: ok | 16:58 |
| mriedem | eharney: being able to attach and detach a volume to a VM is kind of a big deal | 16:58 |
| mriedem | regardless of snapshots | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: How long do you think before we can land the snapshot support? | 16:58 |
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| hemna | can we just skip the snapshot tests for now ? | 16:59 |
| eharney | hemna: that's the proposal | 16:59 |
| hemna | at least we have a ci up and running | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:59 |
| hemna | ok, I'd be ok with that. | 16:59 |
| hemna | we all skip tests for some reason or another at times. | 16:59 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | In order to run the CI tests for this, the job will need to set the enable_unsupported_drivers option. | 17:00 |
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| smcginnis | If we add that flag. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Shoot, time. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 17:00 |
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| DuncanT | I'll try to throw an unsupported driver patch up, it will be interesting to see what it looks like | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 17:00:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-08-31-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-08-31-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-08-31-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 31 17:00:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:01 |
| smcginnis | jlvillal: Sorry for the delay. :) | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | smcginnis: Thanks! | 17:01 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
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| geguileo | Thanks! | 17:01 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | So I was going to cancel this meeting as not much has been done on multi-node. | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | I have been trying to focus on Newton priorities this week. | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | Any objections? | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | Sorry for the late notice :( | 17:02 |
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| rajinir | o/ | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | I'll take that as no objections :) | 17:02 |
| rajinir | jlvillal:no problem | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | Sorry for the late notice on cancellation. Go back to your Newton work! :) | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | #info Canceled meeting this week to focus on Newton deliverables | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 17:03:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-08-31-17.00.html | 17:03 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-08-31-17.00.log.html | 17:03 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 31 17:59:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 17:59 |
| KamilRenczewski | Hi Bin | 17:59 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamil | 17:59 |
| bh526r | Hi everyone | 18:00 |
| ALUVial | o/ | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | Hi Vince | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #topic Roll Call and Introduction | 18:00 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| trevormc | o/ | 18:00 |
| KamilRenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:01 |
| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi trevormc | 18:01 |
| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:01 |
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| ALUVial | #info Vincent Button | 18:02 |
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| trevormc | Hi Bin, this is Trevor with the AT&T community team. | 18:02 |
| tomhambleton | #info Tom Hambleton | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hi Trevor, glad you join us | 18:02 |
| bh526r | welcome onboard | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #info Not much admin update | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #topic Tracking Progress of PoC (JIRA Ticket in OPNFV) | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | #info we use JIRA in OPNFV to track the progress of PoC | 18:05 |
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| jinli | #info Jin Li | 18:05 |
| jinli | Hi everyone | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info The Epic is https://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-21 | 18:05 |
| bh526r | It seems that opnfv.org is down for now | 18:05 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info Jeff Collins | 18:06 |
| Jeffreyc42 | Hey guys | 18:06 |
| bh526r | Hi Jeff | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #info we created one task for Ian to push the code from Github to our repo here | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info https://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-23 | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | #info we create on story for Tom to work on Gluon Neutron ML2 Plugin: http://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-22 | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | #info we added 2 initial tasks for now under this story | 18:09 |
| bh526r | #info Task 1 is the initial proposal describing ML2 approach: http://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-24 | 18:10 |
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| bh526r | #info Task 2 is to push interim code to Gerrit review, if any: http://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-25 | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | #info More tasks will be added whenever needed | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | #info The 2nd story is for Niko to work on database migration from sqllite to MySQL: http://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-26 | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | #info Initial task of this story is an implementation proposal of MySQL for database migration: http://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-27 | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | #info More tasks will be added whenever needed | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | #info In addition, other tasks such as addressing database sync, installer support, testing, etc., will be added soon | 18:15 |
| bh526r | Any question? | 18:15 |
| trevormc | If Tom needs help with the Gluon Neutron ML2 Plugin I'm here to help. I would at least like to shadow if possible. | 18:16 |
| KamilRenczewski | opnfv.org is back | 18:16 |
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| bh526r | Thank you Trevor, that's great. | 18:17 |
| bh526r | I will connect you with Tom too | 18:17 |
| tomhambleton | Sounds good | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | #info BTW, I forgot to mention that we will have 5 blades in our cloud infrastructure. | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | #info the data center will be ready in 2 weeks. | 18:18 |
| bh526r | #info Then Daniel will work on migrating our blades in another week | 18:19 |
| bh526r | #info So our infrastructure will be ready by 9/23 | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | #topic New Blueprint Discussion | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | #info we have a BP Gluon Nova Plugin: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-gluon/+spec/gluon-nova-plugin | 18:21 |
| bh526r | #info It was assigned to Ian | 18:21 |
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| bh526r | #info We discussed it last week, and Paul commented that it is better to add more details in this BP | 18:21 |
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| bh526r | #info Ian is very busy, so he didn't have a chance to add more details yet | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | #info we can leave it open until Ian has time | 18:23 |
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| bh526r | Any other comments or questions? | 18:23 |
| bh526r | That's pretty much from my side | 18:24 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | nope, I think you summed it all up | 18:25 |
| bh526r | Thank you Jeff. | 18:25 |
| tomhambleton | Good summary. Thanks for creating the Jira tasks. | 18:25 |
| trevormc | For new comers to the project, what would be the best way to start contributing? | 18:25 |
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| bh526r | Good question. I will ask Ian to finish his task (i.e. pushing code from Github to our repo) first | 18:26 |
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| bh526r | Then you can look at the code | 18:27 |
| trevormc | Ahh ok | 18:27 |
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| bh526r | It's not perfect yet | 18:27 |
| bh526r | Tom is looking at ML2 plugin, which he will push some interim code (after Ian's task is done) | 18:27 |
| bh526r | So you may work with Tom by reading his interim code, comment, and start to contribute to part of it | 18:28 |
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| KamilRenczewski | I am also interested in Tom's code as I am starting to work on Contrail mechanism driver | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | There are other tasks such as updating devstack to install Gluon, install etcd, Fuel plugin to install Gluon, | 18:29 |
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| trevormc | ok we will look into installing gluon with devstack this week and report something in the next meeting. | 18:30 |
| bh526r | investigate and resovle sync issue between Gluon and Proton, synchronize binding operation with SDN-C etc | 18:30 |
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| tomhambleton | Once we get the repo in decent shape, there are many tasks that need to be done. | 18:30 |
| tomhambleton | I sent Bin a list yesterday | 18:30 |
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| bh526r | Let me put the list on our wiki and to our repo doc | 18:31 |
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| bh526r | And I need to create series JIRA stories and tasks too for tracking the items on the list | 18:32 |
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| bh526r | Any other questions/comments? | 18:32 |
| bh526r | if no more topics, I suggest to adjourn the meeting to save everyone 30 minutes | 18:33 |
| bh526r | Thank you all, and talk to you next week | 18:34 |
| georgk | bye | 18:34 |
| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | bye guys | 18:34 |
| KamilRenczewski | bye | 18:35 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | bye | 18:35 |
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| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 18:35:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:35 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-08-31-17.59.html | 18:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-08-31-17.59.txt | 18:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-08-31-17.59.log.html | 18:35 |
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| tomhambleton | Bye all | 18:35 |
| bh526r | Thank you Tom and bye | 18:36 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 19:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 31 19:05:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello anyone here for the docs team meeting? | 19:05 |
| strigazi | o/ | 19:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello strigazi | 19:06 |
| rcaballeromx | Hello | 19:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hi rcaballeromx | 19:07 |
| rcaballeromx | Hi ShillaSaebi! | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright lets give it another minute and then we can get started | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | agendas looking pretty light today | 19:07 |
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| lbragstad | o/ | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi lbragstad | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok looks like its the 4 of us | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:08 | |
| ShillaSaebi | there are none | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specs in review | 19:09 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | feel free to take a peek at these | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | review if possible | 19:09 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi Sam-I-Am | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | we were just discussing the action items from last week, which were none | 19:10 |
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| ShillaSaebi | and now specs in review | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 19:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | just a bit late today | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | no worries | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | we have a couple of specs out | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Speciality teams | 19:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info install guide testing should be in progress | 19:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDocTesting | 19:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | any updates from other speciality teams? | 19:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | networking guide... | 19:12 |
| rcaballeromx | I am part of the install guide testing. | 19:12 |
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| rcaballeromx | If any of you have tips or any feedback I am open to suggestions. | 19:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | working on restructuring the deployment scenarios, but a lot of new content is pouring in ahead of newton feature-freeze... thus i've been busy with it. | 19:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dont see many other specialty teams | 19:15 |
| rcaballeromx | The personas content was updated with gender neutral names. | 19:16 |
| rcaballeromx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362337/ | 19:16 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | sorry got d/c | 19:16 |
| ShillaSaebi_ | anyone have anythign else to add on specialty teams? | 19:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not i | 19:17 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Countdown to release: | 19:18 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info 35 days until release | 19:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure comes up quickly | 19:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 19:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | sure does | 19:19 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anything else on that? | 19:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | newp | 19:20 |
| rcaballeromx | Not from me. | 19:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Open Discussion | 19:20 |
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| ShillaSaebi | I am very curious to know what happened at the ops guide session at the mid cycle | 19:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i went to the mid-cycle ops meetup last week | 19:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | Sam-I-Am you were there for that right | 19:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | how did that go? | 19:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | there wasn't a specific session about the ops guide, but documentation in general | 19:20 |
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| rcaballeromx | Anything interesting? | 19:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | the tl;dr is that documentation is hard to find and isn't necessarily up to date | 19:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's an etherpad from the discussion... | 19:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NYC-ops-Documentation | 19:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you | 19:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | ill catch up on that in a bit | 19:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's also some versioning issues... clients vs. services vs. things like APIs | 19:21 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:22 |
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| rcaballeromx | Ok | 19:22 |
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| rcaballeromx | I am happy to say that I will be going to Barcelona. | 19:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | me 2 | 19:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | there were also some devs present, so i floated the idea of more docs going into repos... or at least giving them the option. whatever works best, as long as the presentation is the same. | 19:22 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'll probably be there too | 19:22 |
| rcaballeromx | We can look further into these topics. | 19:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | was there a lot of interest in the docs session? just curious | 19:23 |
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| rcaballeromx | I think the idea of project repos is great, as long as the content of the project repos use the same guidelines to ensure consistency and reusability. | 19:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 19:23 |
| strigazi | +1 | 19:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | consistency is key | 19:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | there werent too many people at the session. however, it conflicted with the osops session | 19:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | which, arguably, is a form of docs that operators want | 19:24 |
| rcaballeromx | Yes, developers provide content and the docs team ensure consistency... | 19:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | so the conclusion there was that our ops guide should reference the osops stuff | 19:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:24 |
| rcaballeromx | Ok. I am looking forward to meeting you guys. | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah ditto | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | once we get closer to the summit, we should have room # and info | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can meet at the working sessions | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | I look fwd to it as well | 19:26 |
| rcaballeromx | Absolutely. | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | does anyone have anything else to bring up? | 19:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not me | 19:27 |
| rcaballeromx | Nope | 19:27 |
| strigazi | me neither | 19:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok well thank you all for joining | 19:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | meeting adjourned | 19:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 19:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 19:28:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-08-31-19.05.html | 19:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-08-31-19.05.txt | 19:28 |
| rcaballeromx | Take care. | 19:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-08-31-19.05.log.html | 19:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | bye | 19:29 |
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| ekhugen | #startmeeting WOS-mentoring | 19:58 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 31 19:58:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:58 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:58 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' | 19:58 |
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| aimeeu | hello! | 19:58 |
| ekhugen | hi aimeeu | 19:58 |
| ekhugen | anyone else on for WOS-mentoring yet? | 19:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Hola :) | 19:59 |
| ekhugen | hi diablo_rojo | 19:59 |
| ekhugen | we'll give people a few more minutes to join | 20:00 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 20:01 |
| ekhugen | hi ildikov! | 20:01 |
| ildikov | hi ekhugen! | 20:01 |
| ekhugen | #topic WOS-mentoring agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_mentoring_12_3 | 20:02 |
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| ekhugen | I guess it's just the 4 of us, so might as well get started | 20:02 |
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| ekhugen | First topic is speed mentoring at Barcelona | 20:03 |
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| ekhugen | I think we said we were going to put out a call for more mentors probably next week or so | 20:03 |
| ekhugen | does anyone want to volunteer to send out the email to the listservs (probably the general one and the -dev one)? | 20:04 |
| diablo_rojo | That survey has been all updated and stuff right? | 20:04 |
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| ekhugen | oh that's a good point diablo_rojo, I was going to talk about surveys later | 20:04 |
| ekhugen | but I still haven't heard back from Erin that the mentoring feedback survey is updated | 20:05 |
| ekhugen | we were going to send her the updates to the main survey after we got the feedback survey out | 20:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | I can volunteer to email the dev one :) | 20:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | Has the for to be a mentor gotten updated too? | 20:05 |
| diablo_rojo | *form | 20:05 |
| ekhugen | no, we had the updates for that ready, but we didn't send them to erin yet | 20:05 |
| vkmc | o/ | 20:06 |
| ekhugen | she was kind of swamped with summit stuff, do you work with her regularly diablo_rojo | 20:06 |
| ekhugen | hi vkmc | 20:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Erin Disney? | 20:06 |
| ekhugen | yes | 20:06 |
| diablo_rojo | I can probably get her to give me access to it to make the necessary changes. | 20:07 |
| ekhugen | oh that would be great, I can send you an email with the changes | 20:07 |
| ekhugen | can you pm me your new email at the foundation, please? | 20:07 |
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| diablo_rojo | sure :) | 20:08 |
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| ekhugen | thanks! | 20:08 |
| ekhugen | okay, so aside from the call for mentors, anything to talk about on Speed Mentoring? | 20:08 |
| aimeeu | Has it been officially scheduled yet? | 20:09 |
| diablo_rojo | aimeeu +1 | 20:09 |
| ekhugen | aimeeu no, I haven't seen that the summit has been opened up for workgroups sessions yet | 20:09 |
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| aimeeu | Ok. That's coming in the next couple of weeks I presume. | 20:10 |
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| aimeeu | Are we thinking Tuesday morning? | 20:10 |
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| ekhugen | I hope it's coming soon | 20:11 |
| ekhugen | yes, we were thinking Tuesday morning again, before the keynotes | 20:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Seems like a good time to me. | 20:11 |
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| aimeeu | +1 | 20:12 |
| ekhugen | we will definitely need volunteers, as well | 20:12 |
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| ekhugen | should we put out a call for volunteers in the WOS meeting? last time we had 3-4 people and I think that worked out well | 20:13 |
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| aimeeu | That's probably the best approach. I'm hesitant to commit since I don't know if work is sending me. | 20:13 |
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| ildikov | it sounds like a good idea, you can never ping people enough times | 20:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Volunteering to be the mentors? Or for what? | 20:14 |
| ekhugen | okay, the next WOS meeting is on Labor Day in the US, is anyone planning on calling in? | 20:14 |
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| aimeeu | I think that meeting has been cancelled | 20:14 |
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| ekhugen | well we said we'd send out a call for mentors in mid-september, but we'll also need volunteers to help direct people/help with the rotations | 20:15 |
| ekhugen | also room setup and cleanup | 20:15 |
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| aimeeu | I can certainly help with setup/cleanup etc (if I'm going...) | 20:15 |
| diablo_rojo | ekhugen I would call in. | 20:15 |
| diablo_rojo | But I think aimeeu is right.. I think its been cancelled | 20:16 |
| aimeeu | The WOS Agenda tracker has the next meeting scheduled for 19 Sept | 20:16 |
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| diablo_rojo | Should we email the WoO mailing list? Or just wait? | 20:16 |
| ekhugen | oh okay, sorry I was looking at the calendar entry instead | 20:16 |
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| ekhugen | I think waiting until the meeting on the 19th won't be too bad | 20:16 |
| ekhugen | hopefully everyone will know for sure if they'll be in Barcelona or not by then | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Still over a month in advance. | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah that should be good. | 20:17 |
| aimeeu | For helping the day off - I'll add it to the meeting agenda etherpad | 20:17 |
| ekhugen | thanks aimeeu | 20:17 |
| ekhugen | we'll probably also need some help ahead of time, last time we did a prep meeting for the mentors to let them know what to expect | 20:18 |
| ekhugen | and we did the baseball cards | 20:18 |
| diablo_rojo | I talked to Erin and she is making the changes to the form now. | 20:18 |
| ekhugen | oh awesome! it'll be good to get that out and get some feedback on how the first round of matches have gone | 20:19 |
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| ekhugen | so maybe if we ask at the meeting on the 19th for volunteers to help with the speed mentoring event day of and also help with prep | 20:20 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds good to me | 20:21 |
| aimeeu | I've added that to the meeting agenda | 20:21 |
| ekhugen | cool, any other questions or topics on Speed Mentoring? | 20:21 |
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| ekhugen | okay, next topic is interaction with upstream training, ildikov any updates? | 20:23 |
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| ildikov | the training is now added to the schedule: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/#day=2016-10-23 | 20:23 |
| ekhugen | #topic WOS-mentoring interaction with upstream training | 20:23 |
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| ildikov | ekhugen: sorry, I was too fast :) | 20:23 |
| ildikov | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/#day=2016-10-23 | 20:24 |
| ildikov | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/#day=2016-10-24 | 20:24 |
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| ildikov | the RSVP is also open, we have 50 people as a limit for the course and 20 spots on the waiting list | 20:24 |
| ildikov | I've just recognised that the mentoring program question is missing from the form, so I'll ask for an update | 20:25 |
| ekhugen | nice ildikov | 20:25 |
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| ildikov | we are planning for remote/virtual sprints to update the existing content and have new modules as well | 20:25 |
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| ekhugen | are you still planning a tooling sprint as well? | 20:26 |
| ildikov | if anyone interested from this group I created a Doodle poll to see what dates can work: #link http://doodle.com/poll/geaq6fdsg749nsnc | 20:27 |
| ildikov | ekhugen: I need to double check that with Marton, but if we can find a slot with a few people interested I think we can add that as well | 20:27 |
| ekhugen | alright, let us know | 20:28 |
| ildikov | ekhugen: as we are getting closer to the Summit it might get lower priorities depending on progress with the training content and setup | 20:28 |
| ekhugen | is the upstream training team looking for everyone to also be in the mentoring program as well as upstream training, or is that just optional | 20:28 |
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| ildikov | I sent out a mail to the WoO and Docs mailing lists, so if you're interested you can also send a reply, it might gets more people interested | 20:29 |
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| ekhugen | sounds like a good idea | 20:30 |
| ildikov | ekhugen: you mean the attendees to participate in the mentoring program? | 20:30 |
| ekhugen | right, last time we really encouraged everyone to sign up for both | 20:30 |
| ekhugen | I don't know if that was really necessary though | 20:31 |
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| ildikov | so the question that's currently missing is Whether the applicants are interested in attending a mentoring program or not | 20:31 |
| ekhugen | okay, so we're just going to offer that as an option this time | 20:31 |
| ildikov | maybe it's a sign that the phrasing was not good enough in the original one :) | 20:31 |
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| ildikov | so the thing is that I don't think we can force people into it | 20:32 |
| ildikov | so the idea behind the question was to see how much people are interested | 20:32 |
| ekhugen | well last time we did spend a lot of time "encouraging" people into it and yeah, maybe it's better to just ask if they're interested | 20:32 |
| ildikov | I would like to encourage people as well as we all know the training itself will not be enough | 20:32 |
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| ildikov | it's a good foundation, but it's really the step before the first kinda thing | 20:33 |
| ekhugen | yes, agreed | 20:33 |
| ildikov | if you have any suggestion on how to phrase a question to be an encouragement as well that would be great | 20:33 |
| ildikov | also if you have any other suggestions I'm happy to do those as well, like social media, etc. | 20:34 |
| ekhugen | hm, maybe something like "Mentoring can be a great way to continue learning after the class has ended. Would you be interested in signing up for the long-term mentoring program?" | 20:34 |
| ildikov | I would like to avoid having much effort in paring people with mentors, etc. and end up not many people interested | 20:34 |
| ildikov | cool, that definitely sounds better than my original one was :) | 20:35 |
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| ildikov | Thanks! | 20:35 |
| ekhugen | yw | 20:35 |
| ekhugen | anything else about the interaction with upstream and mentoring? | 20:36 |
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| ildikov | we are also trying to have a more modular architecture for the training | 20:36 |
| ildikov | and extending the scope with modules like documentation or working groups | 20:36 |
| ildikov | if any of you have an area in mind that would be great to have covered as part of this training please ping me or add it to the etherpad | 20:37 |
| ekhugen | that makes sense, so the modules could be taught individually to groups that have less time? | 20:37 |
| ildikov | also if any of you would like to participate in putting together the material for either of these modules you're more than welcomed :) | 20:37 |
| ekhugen | thanks | 20:38 |
| ildikov | I would rather say that we would like to reach out to people who's primary focus is not necessarily code contribution | 20:38 |
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| ildikov | so we plan to have a common introduction part to talk about where and how to register, how to communicate, where to find information, etc. | 20:39 |
| ildikov | and then have the more specific modules in parallel | 20:39 |
| ildikov | like who's interested in code they can learn how to run the unit and functional tests for instance, while others interested more in docs they can learn how to build docs with Sphinx locally | 20:40 |
| ekhugen | also good ideas | 20:40 |
| ildikov | it also depends how diverse the group will be by the end of the day, maybe everyone will want to do only code this time | 20:41 |
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| ekhugen | yes, definitely, is there anything you need from the mentoring team, other than maybe help on writing the modules? | 20:42 |
| ildikov | but the material itself should be easy to maintain, so I'm not afraid of having wasted efforts on this as it will all be publicly available and can be visited later by anyone to learn something new | 20:42 |
| ildikov | I wonder how much you have mentors for these new modules? | 20:42 |
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| ekhugen | you mean mentors who can help write the modules? | 20:43 |
| ildikov | for instance the WG concept sometimes seems a bit unclear to even those who run one | 20:43 |
| ildikov | so I meant more how we can help and maybe even mentor these people | 20:43 |
| ildikov | I wouldn't say it's for Barcelona though, I think it's a more long term question | 20:44 |
| ekhugen | oh like mentors for non-technical things? we do have the career mentoring available for non-technical people | 20:44 |
| ekhugen | and I think several of our mentors there are workgroup leaders | 20:45 |
| ildikov | ah ok, that's great! | 20:45 |
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| ildikov | then I would say if anyone can chime in and if not writing, but reviewing the material as we go that would be very helpful | 20:46 |
| ildikov | in my experience reviewing can be an even bigger bottleneck than finding someone to add content | 20:46 |
| ekhugen | okay, maybe we can send out a note to our career mentors at some point and ask if any of them are interested in helping review the material | 20:47 |
| ekhugen | maybe after barcelona | 20:47 |
| ildikov | that sounds good | 20:47 |
| ildikov | I can also send out summary mails with a few review links as a reminder if anyone has the bandwidth to check them | 20:47 |
| ekhugen | okay, cool | 20:47 |
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| ildikov | I don't have much more in mind now, I think we touched on the most important parts | 20:48 |
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| ekhugen | okay, thanks! | 20:48 |
| ekhugen | next topic was the graduation plan | 20:48 |
| ekhugen | #topic mentoring graduation plan | 20:49 |
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| ekhugen | last time we said we wanted to wait until we had some more people | 20:49 |
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| ekhugen | do we have enough people to discuss it? or do we want to wait for the feedback survey results to discuss it more? | 20:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Right. I still don't have any ideas lol. | 20:50 |
| diablo_rojo | I think the survey results would help. | 20:50 |
| aimeeu | Maybe the survey results will give us ideas | 20:50 |
| diablo_rojo | And the survey hasn't been sent out yet right? | 20:50 |
| ekhugen | right, once erin has that updated, we can send it out | 20:51 |
| diablo_rojo | I have a link for it that I can pm to whomever wants to right the email to the current mentor/mentees. | 20:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha *write | 20:51 |
| diablo_rojo | not right | 20:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Wow its been a long day | 20:51 |
| ekhugen | it's just this one, right (write :-p)? https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentoring_feedback_survey | 20:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes that looks right ;) | 20:52 |
| ekhugen | so yes, does anyone want to volunteer to send out the emails (after Erin gets the updates in, obvs)? | 20:52 |
| ekhugen | I can generate the list of emails | 20:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Wait a sec..she said it was updated... this is the link she gave me. https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentoring_feedback_survey | 20:54 |
| diablo_rojo | Does that not have the changes? | 20:54 |
| ekhugen | well it doesn't say Austin anymore so that's update. I think we also asked if the follow up question could have a box for them to put in a way for us to follow up | 20:54 |
| ekhugen | because otherwise we won't know how to contact them | 20:55 |
| ekhugen | (or even who they are) | 20:55 |
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| ekhugen | I can send erin a follow up email | 20:56 |
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| diablo_rojo | Okay cool. | 20:57 |
| ekhugen | I think we only have a few minutes left before the next meeting starts, any other topics? | 20:57 |
| ekhugen | are we okay with every other week meetings, or should we go back to every week as we get closer to the summit | 20:57 |
| ekhugen | #topic open discussion | 20:57 |
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| diablo_rojo | Maybe do every week towards the end of September/ start of October? | 20:58 |
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| ekhugen | okay we'll revisit in on the 14th | 20:58 |
| ekhugen | revisit it* | 20:58 |
| ekhugen | thanks everyone for attending! | 20:58 |
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| diablo_rojo | Thank you! | 20:59 |
| ekhugen | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 31 20:59:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-08-31-19.58.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-08-31-19.58.txt | 20:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-08-31-19.58.log.html | 20:59 |
| ildikov | thanks ekhugen and all! | 20:59 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 31 21:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| patchbot | You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last 60 seconds; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| bkeller` | o/ | 21:00 |
| pdardeau | o/ | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
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| jrichli | hi | 21:00 |
| cutforth | hola | 21:00 |
| nadeem | hi | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | eu | 21:00 |
| hosanai | o/ | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | . | 21:00 |
| dmorita | hi | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| kmARC | o/ | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:01 |
| notmyname | several things to go over this week. agenda is at.. | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| notmyname | first up... | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic new swift core | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | I'm happy to announce that jrichli is now on swift core | 21:02 |
| cschwede | Hoorayy! Welcome Janie :D | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:02 |
| nadeem | congrats jrichli! | 21:02 |
| notmyname | jrichli: congrats (and my apologies) | 21:02 |
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| pdardeau | jrichli: congrats!! | 21:02 |
| jrichli | lol | 21:02 |
| dmorita | Congrats jrichli | 21:02 |
| jrichli | thanks! | 21:02 |
| mathiasb | congratulations janie! | 21:02 |
| kota_ | congratulations! | 21:02 |
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| hosanai | jrichli: congrats! | 21:03 |
| m_kazuhiro | congratulations! | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | jrichli's been doing great work, and I'm looking forward to working with her as a core reviewer | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | #topic barcelona schedule | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | brief update on the schedule for barca | 21:04 |
| notmyname | like in tokyo, this summint is slightly compressed. it's tuesday through friday | 21:04 |
| notmyname | on the design summit side, here's the overview | 21:04 |
| notmyname | tuesday is ops stuff and some cross project stuff | 21:05 |
| notmyname | wednesday is cross project stuff and some individual team sessions | 21:05 |
| notmyname | thursday is individual team sessions | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | friday morning is individual team sessions, and friday afternoon is for the contributor meetup | 21:05 |
| notmyname | so that's a half-day on friday instead of the full day that's been available in the past | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | k, yeah a little more compressed then | 21:07 |
| notmyname | I've submitted the schedule request to ttx. I asked for 2 fishbowl (like we had in austin) and 13 working sessions. I made a note that having fishbowl on wed pm and working sessions thursday and friday (plus the friday pm meetup) would be best for us | 21:07 |
| notmyname | basically, this means plenty of ops and cross-project time and still a couple of days for swift-specific stuff | 21:07 |
| notmyname | also, don't fly home on friday evening. wait until saturday ;-) | 21:07 |
| notmyname | make sense to everyone? any questions about that? | 21:08 |
| cschwede | i think most people will leave Friday evening… | 21:08 |
| notmyname | cschwede: the cool kids will stay through saturday. you want to be a cool kid, right? ;-) | 21:08 |
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| joeljwright | dammit, I'm flying home on Friday | 21:09 |
| joeljwright | :( | 21:09 |
| cschwede | notmyname: i am the cool kid that is at a concert on Friday evening in Hamburg! | 21:09 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:09 |
| hosanai | lol | 21:09 |
| notmyname | that's much cooler than being in a hotel conference room | 21:09 |
| notmyname | seriously, though, people leaving on friday is totally normal and expected. | 21:09 |
| cschwede | we need to work faster on teleporting. | 21:10 |
| notmyname | but if you currently *don't* have concert tickets for friday night, then stay for swift stuff | 21:10 |
| kota_ | cschwede: true | 21:10 |
| notmyname | as we get closer to the summit, we'll start an etherpad to gather topics, like we've done in the past | 21:10 |
| notmyname | no need to start that yet, though | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | ok, if no questions, then let's move on | 21:11 |
| notmyname | #topic swiftclient release | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | we need a release for swiftclient for 2 reasons | 21:11 |
| notmyname | 1, there's good stuff we should make available to users | 21:12 |
| notmyname | 2, getting close to the openstack library deadlines to be included in the overall release | 21:12 |
| notmyname | there's one last patch that might land for it | 21:12 |
| notmyname | patch 184956 | 21:12 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184956/ - python-swiftclient - Accept gzip-encoded API responses | 21:12 |
| notmyname | and mattoliverau's going to look at that right after the meeting (he already have a +2 previously before a rebase) | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | yup will look at that this morning. | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | is there anything else that anyone knows of that really must be in this release? | 21:13 |
| notmyname | (docs are great, but can be landed after since we build docs at every commit now) | 21:13 |
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| timburke | nah, the other interesting stuff are probably better left for next cycle | 21:14 |
| notmyname | timburke: s/cycle/release/ | 21:14 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: I think we managed to land everything that was ready | 21:14 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:14 |
| notmyname | so that gets us to a segue topic.. | 21:14 |
| notmyname | I've got https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361775/ up for the normal authors/changelog updates | 21:14 |
| patchbot | patch 361775 - python-swiftclient - authors/changelog updates for 3.1.0 release | 21:14 |
| notmyname | but there's one other thing there: reno release notes | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | to summarize reno, it's a way to commit yaml files into your repo so that you get a release notes link on an openstack release web page | 21:15 |
| notmyname | see https://releases.openstack.org for examples of other projects' notes https://releases.openstack.org | 21:16 |
| notmyname | well, click through some stuff | 21:16 |
| notmyname | but there's a little more to it than that | 21:16 |
| torgomatic | whatever happened to plain text? release notes are for humans, so why embed that stuff in some markup? | 21:16 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: yeah...about that | 21:16 |
| cschwede | i like reno | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | us not having the reno yaml files in our repo is one of the things that some people on the TC complained about us not using | 21:17 |
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| cschwede | torgomatic: releasenotes are now able to contain semantic for stuff like „security“, „fixes“, „minor stuff“ etc | 21:17 |
| notmyname | so far, it seems relatively simple (apart for yaml having 63 different ways to format a multi-line string) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | and so that patch above simply takes the human-readable thing I normally write and reformats it into yaml | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: yeah, and that's kinda nice. | 21:18 |
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| * torgomatic can't wait for the first security hole to be found in our release-notes builder | 21:19 | |
| cschwede | notmyname: the nice thing is that each patch can contain a reno note snippet, making it (hopefully) easier to sumup the final release note | 21:19 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: so that should help you at the end - at least in theory ;) | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: so I disagree with that. I'm the person that actually goes through the patches to build release notes, and I'll still have to do that | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | there's often patches that need to be grouped into a single release note | 21:19 |
| notmyname | and I'll still have to look at patches that don't have notes on them | 21:20 |
| notmyname | but I get the theory | 21:20 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: yes, but it can be really helpful if people contribute to the reno notes. but it will take some time to adopt (and reviewers might need to ask for a note) | 21:21 |
| notmyname | for now, what I'm thinking is that at a release time I'll still go build release notes by hand (I enjoy this--it's not a chore) and then make the `reno report` match it | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: so yeah, if people want to add a release note, that's fine. and if they don't, personally I'm ok with that too | 21:21 |
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| tdasilva | i'm not sure that works out well...we should either have for every patch or not... | 21:22 |
| notmyname | I feel similarly to torgomatic on this. I want hand-curated notes because it's supposed to be read by humans. and I suspect that one person doing it at the end of a release will have better results than trying to make every patch also add a yaml file to our repo | 21:23 |
| tdasilva | i'm ok if notmyname wants to just build one note at the end, just the idea that some patches would have notes and others would not that doesn't seem like a good idea | 21:23 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: why does it need to be black-and-white? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: what if I simply delete the other yaml files and roll their contents into the one release notes note (like this swiftclient patch has) | 21:24 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: then the notes in a file hint and what to include, and the final results end up being not a jumbled mess | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: i'm just afraid it will lead to confusion when some patches have reno notes and others dont | 21:25 |
| bkeller` | somehow i doubt "we can let people use reno if they want but we'll still ignore it" is what the tc wants us to do | 21:25 |
| notmyname | bkeller`: no, I'm not proposing ignoring anything | 21:25 |
| notmyname | clayg asked me an interesting question about this yesterday: would I even have considered using this if not for the TC criticism about it? | 21:25 |
| cschwede | imo only patches that add a new feature, fix a bug etc need a reno note - ie something that should be mentioned in the final release note | 21:25 |
| notmyname | and yes, I would, because of its integration with the automated release tooling | 21:25 |
| tdasilva | bkeller`: i think the TC will get what they want which is the release notes being automatically created at release time | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: I guess I think (somewhat based on experience) that it's hard to always know at the time of a patch how its notes come release time relate to other patches that landed | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | having one person write all of the notes at the end of the cycle misses the point of building a culture around having all contributors think about how their changes impact users | 21:27 |
| cschwede | notmyname: sure; but if i fix a typo that doesn’t need a reno; if i fix an important bug it could have a reno and lower the work for you at the end | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | bkeller`: but I think I get what you're trying to say. I don't want to use reno just to give some sort of lip-service. integrated with the automatic tooling is good--we should do as much of that as we can | 21:28 |
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| bkeller` | yeah | 21:28 |
| notmyname | cschwede: perhaps. well, it does to some extent | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: but it doesn't eliminate it. that's my point | 21:29 |
| notmyname | I've still gotta review those and all the other patches too | 21:29 |
| tdasilva | cschwede, notmyname : sorry, just read my previous message and I meant "every patch" that makes sense to have a note, i agree not every single patch needs a note | 21:29 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: sure, there is still some work to do | 21:30 |
| jrichli | it might be interesting to have the point of view of a deployer. do they appreciate the more cohesive summaries, and how would they feel about seeing a lot more verbage | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: what do you mean? which one has "a lot more verbage"? | 21:30 |
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| jrichli | more verbage may result from having individuals all contribute over time | 21:31 |
| patchbot | Error: I haven't seen verbage. | 21:31 |
| jrichli | thanks, patchbot | 21:31 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:31 |
| notmyname | bah! patchbot is sick | 21:31 |
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| cschwede | haha ^^ | 21:32 |
| jrichli | having notes from several commits : not having a way to group some together | 21:32 |
| notmyname | jrichli: perhaps. but the balance is highlighting the important stuff so that its not lost in lots of less important stuff | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: oh, I get it. that's actually what you're saying | 21:32 |
| jrichli | yes, that is what i am thinking too | 21:33 |
| jrichli | :-) | 21:33 |
| * clayg sneaks in the back | 21:33 | |
| notmyname | cschwede: I feel like you might not agree (or at least have a different perspective) | 21:33 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: well, it helped us in the last project, and the results were good - less work for the one who cutted a release | 21:34 |
| bkeller` | we could use the groups like cschwede was saying | 21:35 |
| bkeller` | unless i'm misunderstanding | 21:35 |
| cschwede | but we only added reno notes when there was something worth to mention; for example the last patch in a chain of patches for feature XYZ | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | sure. like I said, if someone wants to add notes to a patch, that's fine | 21:35 |
| notmyname | it works with the release tooling, there's a link on a web page, and patch authors can add some extra notes if they want to their patch | 21:36 |
| cschwede | notmyname: well, back to the topic, we can learn from the experience and improve the workflow over time? ie see what’s working for us as group and you as release cutter? | 21:37 |
| notmyname | cschwede: of course :-) | 21:37 |
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| mattoliverau | if its something that we do, it should be documented somewhere. ie. note naming standard etc. | 21:37 |
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| mattoliverau | or is it just patch sha and version each time | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: it's install reno then use `reno new` and edit the resulting file | 21:38 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: right, even easier :P | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | and `reno report` to look at the results (although note that the yaml file must be in the git DAG before being used--you can't just have a local scratch file that's uncommitted [`git commit -am WIP` will be common, I suspect] | 21:39 |
| notmyname | ok, we need to move on :-) | 21:39 |
| clayg | notmyname: I don't recall asking you if you think this is something you'd want outside of it recently becoming a topic of contention - but I like that sentiment! | 21:40 |
| notmyname | reno's a thing. ta da! | 21:40 |
| clayg | it *feels* like something I would say | 21:40 |
| clayg | also hooray! | 21:40 |
| notmyname | #topic liaisons | 21:40 |
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| * clayg should have stayed in his hole | 21:40 | |
| joeljwright | clayg: go, I'll cover you | 21:40 |
| clayg | NO MAN LEFT BEHIND! | 21:41 |
| notmyname | FYI, if someone is passionate about some of the things happening in other projects, take a look at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 21:41 |
| notmyname | if there's not a name listed, it defaults to the PTL | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | I'm not asking everyone to sign up for something--that's up to you (and I'm happy to continue being a point person as needed) | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | but I want to make sure people are aware of this way to get involved in other openstack efforts | 21:42 |
| notmyname | #topic plan for golang, post TC decision | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | ok, this will probably take the rest of our time today | 21:42 |
| notmyname | last week I was in NYC and I talked fact-to-face with quite a few TC members | 21:43 |
| notmyname | honestly, it would be very hard to summarize (especially in the next 15 minutes) | 21:43 |
| notmyname | but from a very high level, there's lots of opinions :-) | 21:44 |
| nadeem | :) | 21:44 |
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| * clayg sorta had some thought on the cross-project stuff - we spent to much time talking about release notes formatting software/process :'( | 21:44 | |
| notmyname | but in this meeting, let's focus on some of the tech issues and actual user problems | 21:45 |
| notmyname | there's a ton going on in swift by everyone | 21:45 |
| notmyname | and as we've been talking about for the last many months, the golang replication and object server is hugely important | 21:45 |
| notmyname | right now, we've got feature/repconn for the object replicator daemon work | 21:45 |
| notmyname | I'm expecting to see something there from nadeem very very soon so we can all dig into it | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | the goal with repconn is to get the golang replacement for the python object replicator, initially focussed on the new repconn protocol | 21:46 |
| notmyname | for now, work will continue in the feature branch | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | we will not merge it to master and we will not move it to a separate repo yet | 21:47 |
| notmyname | basically, let's not do something drastic until we actually have to (ie a release where a golang replicator is a thing) | 21:47 |
| notmyname | nadeem: what the status of the repconn work | 21:48 |
| notmyname | ? | 21:48 |
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| * notmyname knows he saw nadeem in here earlier... | 21:49 | |
| clayg | notmyname: i was *going* to work on feature/hummingbird this week - but I barely got started before pulled onto something else | 21:49 |
| nadeem | I should have a PR ready either tonight or tomorrow morning | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | maybe he's getting his notes in order to paste :) | 21:49 |
| notmyname | nadeem: yay! | 21:50 |
| clayg | but i'm almost done with that! so hope to get back at it by the end of thweek | 21:50 |
| notmyname | clayg: looks like nadeem has something for you to look at by then :-) | 21:50 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah... it's going to be interesting to see how feature/hummingbird and feature/repconn evolve | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | indeed | 21:51 |
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| nadeem | however in this PR, I am only working on moving REPCONN call from object server to replicator | 21:51 |
| notmyname | nadeem: great starting point. that's what we talked about in san antonio | 21:51 |
| clayg | basically we've put nadeem in charge of putting together a vision for how swift will evlove to ingest hummingbird - we sorta narrowed scope for him - but it's got to be a huge chore | 21:51 |
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| nadeem | cool | 21:51 |
| notmyname | clayg: that's for all of us to work on :-) | 21:51 |
| clayg | i'm sorta surpised he hasn't had more questions like "well shit, how the f am i going to pull apart xyz - do ya'll have an opinon on option a vs b?" | 21:51 |
| clayg | ... maybe it was less than I realized | 21:52 |
| clayg | notmyname: idk, depends on how big the patch is | 21:52 |
| notmyname | we'll see in the morning | 21:52 |
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| clayg | nadeem: do you expect your upcoming push to be... like "done" or is it toally just a starting point wip to start a conversation? | 21:52 |
| nadeem | WIP | 21:52 |
| notmyname | and for everyone, yes, you have permission to work on the golang object replicator in the repconn branch or the more general golang stuff in hummingbird | 21:52 |
| clayg | nadeem: are we gunna need to like skype or something so you can highbandwidth drop some knowledge on us? | 21:52 |
| nadeem | mostly | 21:52 |
| nadeem | because we haven't decided on how to split objectserver & replicator | 21:53 |
| clayg | nadeem: oic | 21:53 |
| clayg | nadeem: so you are going to push to feature/repconn on feature/hummingbird with just that change (move the REPCONN connection) | 21:53 |
| nadeem | we can decide that after this initial PR | 21:54 |
| nadeem | right now to just feature/hummingbird | 21:54 |
| clayg | nadeem: "that"? | 21:54 |
| notmyname | nadeem: oh? | 21:54 |
| clayg | nadeem: ok, np, that makes sense | 21:54 |
| notmyname | I was under the assumption you were going to push to repconn | 21:54 |
| nadeem | once we finalize on how to split the object server & replicator we can push it to repconn | 21:54 |
| clayg | notmyname: no that makes sense - get the feature/hummingbird (which works) in order closer to our target so we can start to think about what the real drop feature/repconn is going to look like | 21:55 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:55 |
| clayg | notmyname: nadeem: I think this is correct (not that anyone asked me) | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | yeah, it makes sense | 21:55 |
| clayg | nadeem: you should have clarified - you can just just drop in channel and be like "FYI i'm doing this" - *I* totally appreciate that | 21:55 |
| nadeem | sorry I should have clarified earlier | 21:56 |
| nadeem | anyhow will do that going forward | 21:56 |
| clayg | nadeem: dood, no worries | 21:56 |
| notmyname | nadeem: I'm looking forward to seeing it :-) | 21:56 |
| clayg | yeah for sure | 21:56 |
| notmyname | any other questions or issues to bring up on the golang work? | 21:56 |
| nadeem | do we have a time frame for when Repconn will be mainstream? | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | nadeem: asap | 21:57 |
| clayg | nadeem: I think realistically the newton release is off the table :'( | 21:57 |
| notmyname | users are broken today without it | 21:58 |
| clayg | but that's just my pessemistic opinion | 21:58 |
| notmyname | back in austin, we were hoping that it would be done by barca | 21:58 |
| nadeem | but it will still be in feature branch... | 21:58 |
| notmyname | however the tc governance discussions kinda delayed that by several months | 21:58 |
| clayg | right, i think we all got derailed and there's still some unknowns - not so much with technical feasability - but like just the merge and gate and upgrades - who knows | 21:58 |
| pdardeau | notmyname: are you expecting it to be in separate repo? | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | pdardeau: don't know yet | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | nadeem: yeah, and as soon as it's a good replacement to the python one, we'll be at the decision point for where it lives | 21:59 |
| clayg | pdardeau: right now it's a branch - can't make a choice about where to merge until it's ready to merge somehwere! | 21:59 |
| pdardeau | clayg: understood. just asking about plans | 21:59 |
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| clayg | pdardeau: FWIW, IMHO, merge to openstack/swift or openstack/swift-extra is a win either way - as long as we fix replication and continue to deliver ever improving cloud software to operators we're "doing it right" | 22:00 |
| notmyname | focus on the users :-) | 22:00 |
| clayg | they don't care about python vs. golang - they don't care about git vs bzr or some other repo - they need better replication | 22:00 |
| notmyname | ok, we're out of time | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thank you everyone for coming | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thank you for working on swift | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | and thank you jrichli for your work and for stepping up to core | 22:01 |
| nadeem | however splitting stuff will take toll on swift community | 22:01 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-08-31-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-08-31-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-08-31-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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| jrichli | you are welcome! | 22:01 |
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