Thursday, 2016-07-07

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thinrichsHi all00:02
thinrichsTime for the congress meeting00:02
thinrichscourtesy ping: ekcs, aimeeu, masahito, ramineni00:02
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting'00:02
ekcshi all00:02
aimeeuhello!00:02
ramineni_hi00:02
thinrichsmasahito might still be out of town this week00:03
thinrichsAgenda for the week...00:03
thinrichs1. mascots00:03
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thinrichs2. status updates00:03
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thinrichsAnything else?00:03
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thinrichs#topic Mascots00:04
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thinrichsI just heard that OpenStack marketing is going to be making all the big tent projects their own logo00:05
thinrichsThen they'll be using those logos to promote OpenStack00:05
thinrichsWhat they're saying is that we need to pick out a mascot by July 27, and then they'll have an illustrator make the logo00:06
thinrichsSo that's pretty cool00:06
aimeeuI had heard the OpenStack logo is going to change but hadn't heard about individual project logos00:06
thinrichsThey'll announce next week on the -dev mailing list00:06
thinrichsThe one restriction they're placing on the logo we choose is that it needs to be from the "natural world"...00:07
ekcsmascot…. like an animal? I guess I’ll see on the ML.00:07
thinrichsan animal or natural feature like mountain or waterfall00:07
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aimeeuthat's not going to be easy00:08
thinrichsAnd we can't use something some other company, etc. already has00:08
thinrichsWe'll need to come up with a few (say 3) so that they have some to choose from in case of conflicts00:08
ekcshmmm. we could choose the stonehendge to make them determine whether it’s natural =p00:08
aimeeulol00:09
thinrichs:)00:09
thinrichsSomething related to laws governing the universe seems good for congress00:09
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aimeeuwracking my brain and not coming up with much00:10
thinrichsIsaac Newton came to mind.  They didn't mention people though.00:10
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thinrichs(Not that I like Newton, BTW)00:10
aimeeucan we steal a Da Vinci drawing?00:10
thinrichsIsn't the beaver MIT's mascot b/c it's nature's engineer?00:11
thinrichsDaVinci drawings would be cool.00:11
thinrichsAnyway, next time you're surfing the web, try to find something that would fit.00:12
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thinrichs3 weeks from today is the deadline00:12
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thinrichsAnything else on this topic?00:13
thinrichs#topic00:14
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thinrichs#topic Newton200:14
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thinrichs2nd milestone for Newton is next week00:14
thinrichswhich means we need to figure out what we think we can get finished by newton300:14
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thinrichsI've seen a couple of specs up in addition to HA00:15
thinrichsThose are both masahitos, so I guess we'll wait til next week to figure out if he thinks those can get done by mitaka300:15
thinrichsBesides HA, what items are people hoping to finish by mitaka3?00:16
ekcsnothing from me. I couple things I’d like to do that for sure won’t make this cycle.00:16
thinrichsAug30 is newton300:16
ramineni_i thought of completing the migration to horizon plugin00:17
ramineni_i think that should be done,eventhough im facing some issues now00:17
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thinrichsramineni_: got it.  Keep us up to date on how that's going over the next 2 months.00:18
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thinrichsWhat about HA?  Can we get that done by newton3?00:19
masahitohi, sorry late00:19
thinrichsmasahito: hi!00:19
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thinrichsmasahito: we're discussing what we think we'll finish by newton300:19
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masahitogot iy00:19
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thinrichsmasahito: we're starting with the non-HA work00:19
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thinrichsmasahito: are you hoping to implement either of your specs by newton3?00:20
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masahitoI forgot when is newton300:20
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thinrichsend of August00:20
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thinrichsSo about 2 months00:21
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masahitooh, I think one of my specs I'm hoping implement00:21
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thinrichsThe selectability of translators one?00:22
masahitoyes00:23
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thinrichsmasahito: sounds fine.  Just trying to get a sense of how much work we're planning and how many changes to the API we're planning.00:23
thinrichsmasahito: that one extends the current API, correct—so that you can update the config for a datasource?00:24
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masahitothinrichs: yes, it adds a new config option for datasource driver.00:24
thinrichsok00:25
thinrichsNow for HA…00:25
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thinrichsekcs: do you think we can get the changes from your spec done in 2 months?00:25
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ekcsI think it’s within reach.00:26
ekcsworth shootng for.00:26
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thinrichsI also wonder whether we can eliminate the old DSE code so we don't have those 2 branches anymore00:26
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ekcsI can focus most of my time on it, but I’m still going to need some help I think.00:27
thinrichsekcs: do we have bugs that we can divvy out to people?00:27
thinrichsI'm happy to help00:27
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ekcshaven’t set up the bugs yet. I can do it.00:28
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thinrichs#action ekcs will set up bugs necessary for HA deployment00:28
ekcsthinrichs: for removing old DSE code, we can do that after newton-3 right?00:28
ekcsofficially stop supporting old DSE in newton-3. do the actual cleanup later.00:29
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thinrichsI guess we could, but I think usually you save post milestone-3 for testing, bug fixing only00:29
ekcsok.00:29
thinrichsThe intermediate releases aren't real releases, so we don't need to worry about supporting a feature00:29
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thinrichsI wonder if removing the old dse would break bryan_att's installers00:30
thinrichsWe have a new dependency on rabbitmq, right?00:30
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thinrichsEven if we're using the in-memory version?00:31
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ekcsumm we shouldn’t need rabbit for inmem.00:31
thinrichsThat's what I don't remember...00:31
ramineni_inmem shouldnt require i guess00:31
masahitoI think in-memory doesn't need rabbit00:32
thinrichsso the in-mem version is implemented in the oslo library00:32
thinrichsok.  So install shouldn't be that different.00:32
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ekcsit’s implemented by kombu.00:32
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thinrichsThe only difficulty I see with removing the old DSE is that the change could touch a bunch of files, and it'd be easy to end up with rebase problems.00:33
bryan_attthinrichs: hi joining late. If you removed the dse in Ocata and beyond we can adapt the installers as needed, but I don t know of any explicit dependency00:33
thinrichsbryan_att: thanks.00:34
thinrichsSo we should find a lull in development where pulling out the old dse isn't going to drive us all crazy00:35
thinrichsMaybe I'll take a look at how hard that is and let everyone know next week.00:35
bryan_attAfaik the approach to defining datasources has changed so there would probably be some effect anyway, but none that would be too hard to handle probably00:35
thinrichs#action thinrichs will investigate removing the old dse00:35
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thinrichsbryan_att: that's the hope—to minimize changes in the installers00:36
thinrichsAnything else on this topic?00:36
masahitoabout datasource_manager00:37
masahitowill we support datasource manager in dse2?00:37
thinrichsmasahito: that functionality is built into DseNode I believe00:39
thinrichsso no00:39
masahitook00:39
thinrichs#topic status updates00:39
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masahitoI'll check there is no dependency or not00:39
thinrichsaimeeu: want to go first with a status update?00:39
thinrichsmasahito: sounds good.  I'll try to look to00:40
aimeeuSure.00:40
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aimeeuThanks for all the feedback on the plexxi bug. I'll be working on the other bugs this week and continuing to learn the code. I've started reverse engineering code into UML diagrams.00:41
thinrichsaimeeu: sorry about the trouble with the plexxi bug…00:42
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thinrichshope you didn't mind that I pushed a patch on top of yours..00:42
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aimeeuNot an issue. That's how I can learn the code.00:43
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thinrichsI learned something too—guess I didn't remember (or maybe ever understand) how that code worked00:43
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aimeeu;)00:43
thinrichsDo you know what bug you're working on next?00:44
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aimeeuI've got the two mentioned in last week's meeting , so one of those.... unless  you all have something else you'd like me to tackle00:45
thinrichsI haven't found anything new.  Maybe I'll find some things as I dig into my action item later this week.00:46
aimeeuI'm willing to work on anything, so just assign to me and I'll try to get it fixed00:47
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thinrichsaimeeu: Terrific!  I'll let you know if something comes up.00:48
thinrichsramineni: want to give us a status update?00:48
ramineni_yes00:48
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ramineni_spinned up a new patch to add tests to keystonev3  datasource and added patch to remove the pe dependecy on api00:49
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ramineni_thats it from my side00:50
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thinrichsSpeaking of your dependent patch…00:50
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thinrichsekcs: does it make sense to merge masahito/mine and then push another patch with additional tweaks that's dependent on ramineni's?00:51
ekcsyea that makes sense.00:52
thinrichsok...00:52
thinrichsrunning short on time.00:52
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thinrichsmasahito: status update?00:52
masahitook00:52
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masahitoI started to revise my spec and can push it in today00:53
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masahitoand I'll have talk "Congress deep dive" in OpenStack Days Tokyo today00:54
ekcscool!00:54
thinrichsCool!  Let us know how it goes00:54
masahitooh, today means Thu JST00:54
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masahitothat's from my side.00:55
thinrichsmasahito: thanks!00:55
thinrichsekcs: status?00:55
ekcs1. I did a manual thread-safety review in the core Congress code. Good news is I didn't identify anything really serious. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335721/00:55
ekcsEssentially two issues:00:55
ekcsa) datasource delete needs fixing to avoid problem similar to datasource create00:55
ekcsb) When API call comes in specifying a datasource by UUID, the database conversion to datasource name may be interrupted, by the time the greenthread resumes, the returned name may no longer be the name of the datasource specified by the input UUID.00:55
ekcsNeither issue is specific to the new_arch. Of course, there are most likely more issues. I'm sure they'll get identified over time. That's one reason the "blocking call" notes are in there, to assist others in identifying more issues in the future.00:55
ekcs2. Minor compatibility changes to pass py35 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338555/00:55
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ekcsOh and back to HA, I think it'd be good to get DSE2 things settled (like the separate nodes patch and the synchronizer patch) before merging major changes. But the work can start.00:55
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ramineni_ekcs: is there locking mechanism inplace in our DB code, like one thread is updating ..other thread doesn read..something like that00:56
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ekcsI’m sure there is, but that doesn’t stop other greenthreads from running.00:57
thinrichsekcs: on HA.. are the separate-nodes patch and the synchronizer patch already in review?  Or are they changes that we need to make before beginning the HA work?00:57
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ekcsthe separate nodes patch I mean the one you and masahito worked on.00:58
ekcsthe synchronizer, ramineni_ started something but I’m not sure how close it is.00:58
thinrichsAnd the one ramineni is working on00:58
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ramineni_i can push up the udpate on synchronizers patch today00:58
thinrichsIt'd be good to have the synchronizer work for the DSDs and PE, but we only plan on needing it for the PE, right?00:59
ekcsthinrichs: yes.00:59
ramineni_im thinking of sepearte threads to start synchronizer for PE and DSD01:00
thinrichsOkay, so let's try to get those couple of patches in before (i) HA work and (ii) removing old DSE.01:00
ekcsthat makes sense. Every PE instance should probably run a synchronizer?01:00
thinrichsOut of time.  Continue for a couple minutes in #congress?01:00
ramineni_ekcs, ya01:00
ekcscool.01:01
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thinrichs#endmeeting01:01
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andreaf#startmeeting qa17:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul  7 17:01:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is andreaf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'17:01
hogepodgeo/17:01
andreafhello - who's here today?17:01
andreafhi hogepodge17:01
dpatersono/17:01
hogepodgeHi andreaf!17:02
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andreaflet's wait another minute to see if anyone else joins17:02
andreafmkoderer, afazekas: around?17:03
hogepodgeandreaf: thanks for the awesome test results for defcore btw, they're really useful for current work happening in DefCore.17:03
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andreafhogepodge: do you mean those I submitted for helion?17:04
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andreafanyways, time to start the meeting now17:04
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andreafToday's agenda: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_July_7th_2016_.281700_UTC.2917:05
hogepodgeandreaf: Yeah, I compared them against the proposed guidelines and they really shone a light on potential problem areas.17:05
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andreaf#topic Newton priorities17:06
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andreafDoes anyone have updates on newton priority items?17:06
andreaf#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-qa-newton-priorities17:06
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hogepodgeI finished up the work on documenting negative tests in the hacking rules.17:08
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andreafhogepodge: cool, do you have a link?17:08
hogepodge#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333618/17:08
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andreafthanks for that17:09
andreafon tempest.lib, I'm doing some progress on having a stable client manager, and I did test integration with a couple of plugins17:09
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andreafthe cleanup part (prio1) is still lacking contributors unfortunately17:10
dpatersonhogepodge: looks like it was merged already?17:10
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andreafok let's move on17:10
hogepodgedpaterson: yeah, I was just updating status, didn't mean to imply it needed review. sorry.17:10
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andreaf#topic Specs Reviews17:11
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dpatersonhogepodge: no worries17:11
andreaf#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z17:11
andreafanything to discuss on specs? There's nothing new in the list17:11
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andreafNext topic I will work on is make credential providers stable, and I'm thinking that may warrant a spec17:12
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andreafI want to setup something like this #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/526609/17:13
andreafSo it's probably worth collecting some feedback in gerrit on it first17:13
andreafok, next topic17:14
andreaf#topic Tempest17:14
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andreafAnything to discuss on tempest?17:14
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hogepodgeyeah17:14
hogepodge#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329220/17:15
hogepodgeThis review came into DefCore about one of the tests for listing servers17:15
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andreaflooking17:16
hogepodgeI'm wondering if there's room for a refactor that assumes less information. We don't need action today, just something for the team to review. I'm happy to take any bug action items on it, as I don't think dwalleck has the bandwith to work on it.17:16
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andreafhogepodge: well I will be working on splitting cred providers from network resources17:18
andreafhogepodge: so that only tests that need network details will invoke that code path17:18
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andreafhogepodge: but that solves only part of the issue I guess17:18
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andreafhogepodge: I need to read those comments in more details though, I will leave a comment on the spec17:19
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hogepodgeandreaf: thanks17:20
andreafhogepodge: the reason I'm using the nova API there is because that will work for both neutron and non-neutron jobs17:20
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andreafhogepodge: so in case of neutron jobs it may be that the nova proxy is not there, but that would be strange17:20
andreafhogepodge: anyways, I need to check this in more detail17:21
fnavalThe support for filtering by name feature for Tempest is somewhat incomplete.  I still need to make changes so that it can be configured as a parameter in config.py.   Will work on that when I have a chance.17:21
hogepodgeandreaf: ok. dwalleck says the ip information is there in the response and doesn't need network information. Is there space to write a new test that tries to use that information?17:21
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andreafhogepodge: right I'm not sure about the specific test case - my comment was in general about resolving network names to IDs17:23
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hogepodgeandreaf: I think the complaint is about the names->ids resolution in general too, if I'm reading it correctly. I guess it's a "problem" at both scopes. The local test and the larger network framework.17:25
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eantyshevHello! May we discuss our issue with AttachVolumeShelveTestJSON in our CI: http://paste.openstack.org/show/52701417:25
andreafhogepodge: I will have a look at the code and leave a comment on the review17:26
andreafeantyshev: I can try, I guess you would have more luck with gmann or oomichi on that one17:26
eantyshevAFAIU AttachVolumeShelveTestJSON requires v2.20 nova api, but schema is not adjusted for additional properties in os-extended-volumes:volumes_attached which may exist for v2.20, and listing server details fails17:27
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andreafeantyshev: that sounds like a bug in tempest17:28
andreafeantyshev: do you run a cinder 3rd party CI? is it possible that your backend only triggers that extra attribute in the response?17:29
eantyshevandreaf: yes, I'm responsible for Virtuozzo Storage CI17:30
eantyshevandreaf: but this is hardly related to our backend, IMHO. Upstream doesn't run validation and skips this TC17:31
andreafeantyshev: there was a change recently in tempest to control the 'delete_on_termination' flag in the create_test_server helper when using a volume backed VM17:31
eantyshevandreaf:  Icf6148017cdbc4f48d3ef9a964ee39fedda72b4e ?17:31
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andreafeantyshev: yes that makes more sense, it shouldn't really be backend specific17:32
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andreafeantyshev: so what you're saying is that we changed the schema but the only test that checks that upstream is skipped?17:33
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eantyshevandreaf: seems so17:35
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andreafeantyshev: looking at that test, it seems to me that it could run without ssh validation, and only the ssh checks should be skipped - it's much less powerful without ssh, but better than nothing17:36
andreafeantyshev: can you file a lp bug on this please?17:36
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eantyshevandreaf: namely, tempest.api.compute.volumes.test_attach_volume.AttachVolumeShelveTestJSON.test_attach_detach_volume requires v2.20 API. tempest.api.compute.volumes.test_attach_volume.AttachVolumeTestJSON.test_attach_detach_volume uses v2.19 and doesn't fail17:37
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andreafeantyshev: you can see that this has broken the neutron-ssh job as well indeed: http://logs.openstack.org/01/337601/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ssh/4e7392b/logs/testr_results.html.gz17:37
andreafeantyshev: so we should run that test ssh or not17:37
andreafeantyshev: thanks for bringing this up17:38
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andreafeantyshev: I can make the change to the test, but I will need gmann / oomichi to do the schema update change - unless you want to do it?17:38
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eantyshevandreaf: I would be glad to try by myself17:39
andreafeantyshev: cool, thank you!17:39
hogepodgeeantyshev: ping me if you need help also, I've done quite a bit with the schemas17:40
andreafhogepodge, eantyshev: thanks17:40
andreaflet's move on17:40
andreaf#topic DevStack-Grenade17:40
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andreafDoes anyone have anything to discuss on these?17:41
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andreafI'll take that as no17:42
andreaf#topic OpenStack-Health17:42
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andreafAny topic for discussion on the dashboard?17:42
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andreaf#topic Critical Reviews17:43
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andreafAny critical review that requires attention?17:43
andreafOn my side this series: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/client-manager-refactor17:44
andreaf#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bp/client-manager-refactor17:44
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andreaf#topic Open Discussion17:45
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andreafLet's open the floor to any other topic you may have for discussion17:45
andreaf3...17:46
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andreafok, let's get 14min back today17:46
fnavalthanks!17:46
andreafthanks for joining, have a nice rest of your day17:46
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andreaf#endmeeting17:47
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hogepodgethanks andreaf!17:48
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stevemaro/18:55
stevemardtroyer: rtheis o/18:55
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rtheishi stevemar18:57
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stevemarrtheis: let's get our meeting game on19:00
stevemarwheres dtroyer at?19:00
rtheisI'm not sure19:00
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dtroyeris here19:01
stevemarrtheis: i was ready to bring out my broom19:01
dtroyer#startmeeting openstackclient19:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul  7 19:01:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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dtroyerpriorities: lunch vs meeting19:01
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rtheislunch19:01
stevemardtroyer: don't eat so late19:01
dtroyerI hate coming back from vacation19:02
dtroyerthe pile-o-things to go through is…blech19:02
rtheisyeah, not looking forward to that.  I'm out next week on vacation19:02
dtroyerso, uh, did I miss much?19:02
stevemarwelcome back!19:02
rtheisfloating IP patches merged19:02
stevemardtroyer: we did a point release of osc-lib19:02
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stevemarnot sure if anything else major has happened19:03
dtroyerI saw that… did that take care of the breakage?19:03
stevemardtroyer: sort of19:04
stevemardtroyer: it took care of one bug and then broke our gate :P19:04
stevemardtroyer: puppet's gate broke19:04
stevemarwe fixed it with the osc-lib point release19:04
dtroyerok19:04
stevemarthat resulted in our py27 gate breaking19:04
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stevemarbut ... just a few tests, cause of the way we mocked things19:04
dtroyermethinks we pushed osc-lib out into other projects waaay too soon19:05
stevemari have the 10 failing tests skipped for now, and i plan to fix them, just distracted19:05
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dtroyerwhat area is that in?19:05
stevemarthe failing tests?19:05
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dtroyeryes19:05
stevemarvarious tests, anything that did extensive mocking of find_resources19:06
dtroyeroh, ok19:06
dtroyerI'm really beginning to hate that function19:06
stevemarnothing crazy, functionally it still works19:06
dtroyerit's tooooooo fragile19:06
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stevemarnot really fragile, it silently ignores errors and tries another way19:07
stevemarit's openstack, we can't have nice thigns19:07
dtroyerbut there are a bunch of assumptions in and around it, and periodically people try to change one without knowing the follow-on effects19:07
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stevemari opened a bug for it19:08
dtroyerWe're one of the nice things, so hiding the ugly inside OSc is a Good Thing(TM)19:08
stevemarhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/159933319:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1599333 in python-openstackclient "latest osc-lib breaks osc gate" [Undecided,New]19:08
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dtroyerok, good19:08
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dtroyerthanks19:08
stevemar10 tests, nothing crazy19:09
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dtroyerLooks like tang's IP commands are merged?  did they all go in?19:09
stevemari think it's cause i changed the order of how they search19:09
stevemarthey should be, yes19:09
rtheisyes19:09
dtroyercool19:09
dtroyerso the bulk of the stuff holdin up 3.0 is mine then, eh?19:09
stevemarwhat else is holding it up?19:10
stevemarjust the osc-lib migration?19:10
dtroyerThe rework of Shell and ClientManager, plus more auth cleanup19:10
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dtroyero-c-c stuff too19:10
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stevemarah19:10
dtroyerwe still are duplicating too much between the three pieces19:10
stevemaryeah19:10
stevemaryou should see if you can recruit jamielennox to look at things, he is presently on a tear cleaning everything up19:11
dtroyerI see jamie got one or two of the things on my list19:11
dtroyerbut I'd like to finish the cutover…19:11
dtroyerTiming is always such fun19:12
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dtroyerstevemar: wanna pounce on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331418/ in o-c-c?  That's the next step in de-duping us19:13
stevemari can19:14
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dtroyerI don't have much of a list here of other stuff…19:16
dtroyerThere are a couple of reviews to add some columns19:16
dtroyerin list commands19:16
dtroyerhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/337900/ is the one I'm looking at now19:17
stevemaryeah, someone wanted to do that with image names and ids19:17
stevemary, marc has been on an osc tear19:17
dtroyerright… we don't include both anme and ID anywhere else where it is not the primary resource being listed19:17
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dtroyerwhy do we need it here?19:17
stevemardtroyer: whats the argument over not listing it?19:18
dtroyerand, I wonder if adding image to the default columns is needed.  why not flavor then too?19:18
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stevemarservers have an image after all19:18
dtroyerthe balance between all and not nearly enough stuff19:18
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dtroyerservers also have network ports19:18
dtroyershouldn't those be there too?19:19
dtroyervolumes?19:19
stevemarwe include networks in the list19:19
dtroyerI'm getting silly, I know, but I think we need a good reason to add things19:19
dtroyerand the networks are a formatting problem too19:19
stevemari'd be OK with flavor, volume and image :P19:19
stevemarwhat does horizon show?19:19
stevemardavid-lyle: o/19:20
dtroyerimage is one of the simpler ones in this category as there is only 1 per server19:20
rtheishorizon shows "Instance Name Image Name IP Address Size Key Pair Status Availability Zone Task Power State Time since created Actions"19:20
dtroyervolumes, networks, etc have the one-to-many formattign problem we have not solved yet19:20
dtroyerno image ID19:21
stevemari agree that if it's tough to get into one cell in the table, then it probably shouldn't be included19:21
stevemardoing -c volumes and getting back "vol1, vol2" doesn't help with scripting19:22
stevemar(os server list --long -c volumes) (if we had that option)19:22
dtroyerright…in this case Im trying to push just hard enough to have a good reason for adding things19:22
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stevemarmaybe just one of image id / name19:23
dtroyerI'll leave a comment in the review, I just wanted to get a sense of what you huys thought in general19:23
dtroyeroh, did we get Henry's stuff merged yet?19:24
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rtheisI don't think so19:25
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stevemarhe did not19:26
stevemarhe's busy with other stuff19:26
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dtroyeris that something we can complete for him?  at least part of it is a compat issue and I'd hate to miss this chance to get that taken care of19:27
stevemardo you want to hold up 3.0.0 for that?19:27
stevemarwe could probably do it for him19:27
stevemarhe's got some stuff up19:27
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dtroyerok, I'll be at least a week yet on the osc-lib stuff, let's see how it looks next week19:28
stevemarit's basically taking out all the junk from `role list` right? and making that assignment list19:28
stevemari forget the details19:28
dtroyerthat is part of it IIRC.  I have also forgotten details19:29
stevemardang it19:29
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stevemarOK, let me take a look at it19:29
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stevemarmaybe i can find time on the weekend19:29
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dtroyeralso, gyee has https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279854/ still open for TOTP.  Is that a compat or 3.0 priority?19:30
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stevemardtroyer: neither19:34
stevemardtroyer: that can go in at any time19:34
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dtroyeris it ready?  I had been holding off until the Keystoney-bits were settled ;)19:35
stevemarhaven't looked at it in a while19:36
stevemarIIRC i didn't like the option names, too long19:36
dtroyerok, no worries then.  I'll put it on my list19:36
dtroyeroh, right19:36
stevemaralso dependency on cryptography now? ugh19:36
dtroyerwe already have it, just not explicit/top-level for us19:37
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stevemarwhat depends on it?19:37
dtroyerI'm not sure what brings it in, SDK maybe?19:37
briancurtinnot i19:37
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* briancurtin made the mistake long ago of having irc highlight on SDK19:38
* briancurtin but is sort of paying attention19:38
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dtroyerso while you are here… did I see the compute refactor get released?19:39
dtroyersdk sdk sdk :)19:40
briancurtinit did. 0.9.0 is the first release of anything with refactored resources/proxy. just this morning i got image v2 “done” minus tests, so that’s close. however, it’s lacking some of the recently documented stuff so not really “complete"19:40
briancurtinshould be easy enough to expand it once the current stuff is pushed, though19:40
stevemardtroyer: none of the openstack stuff depends on it.. http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=cryptography&i=nope&files=requirements.txt&repos=19:40
dtroyercool news!  thanks!  Image is the one I am most anxious to move over for OSC19:41
stevemar(at least not directly)19:41
stevemardtroyer: damn warlocks19:41
dtroyerstevemar: requests?19:41
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stevemarwe'll still have that around, cause of the API layer we have19:41
dtroyerwhat??? warlock brings it in???   yet another reason to prioritize dumping glanceclient19:41
stevemaroh sorry, i was jumping topics19:42
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stevemarmy "damn warlocks" was related to removing glanceclient and using SDK19:42
stevemarnto crypto19:42
dtroyeroh19:42
stevemari haven't figured out how that is installed19:42
dtroyerat one point cryprography was the "blessed" Python path forward so I wouldn't be surprised that something pulls it in by now19:43
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stevemari'll keep looking19:44
dtroyerwhat else do we need to talk about?  I am sufficiently unorganized (even by my standards) that this is just Open Discussion Meeting Day19:45
stevemarthats cool, i think we're all a little distracted19:46
stevemaroh, given any more thought to a virtual midcycle?19:46
stevemaror a bug squash day?19:46
stevemareven a bug squish day19:47
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dtroyerI think the bug squash is probably closer to what we could use best right now… I have not looked for a date yet though19:47
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dtroyerI do think we would get some benefit just from having a hangout (or whatever) open for a set time focus and to coordinate stuff19:48
rtheisI thought the bug smash was this week, but haven't see a lot of smashing19:48
dtroyerno matter what the tasks are19:49
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dtroyeroh, that organized one?  it is, IIRc that's where tangchen is, right?19:49
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rtheisI thought so19:50
stevemaryes, there was the china bug smash19:50
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stevemarlooks like there were 2 patches from folks in china https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338908/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338795/ (minor bug smashy type ones)19:51
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stevemarmaybe tangchen is helping them get their feet wet19:51
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stevemaron a somewhat related note, Huanxuan Ao is doing a lot of great work19:52
dtroyerooooh!  I like that first one19:52
stevemarthis is not a small amount of patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Huanxuan+Ao%2219:52
stevemarhe's been picking up on the volume stuff19:52
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stevemardoing all the good stuff for each patch (doc, bug, release note)19:53
dtroyerhe works with tangchen, right?19:53
stevemari believe so, yes19:53
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dtroyerI need to run off for a minute, will endmeeting now to not hold up the channel19:55
dtroyerThanks guys!19:55
stevemardtroyer: rgr that19:55
dtroyer#endmeeting19:55
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mriedem#startmeeting nova21:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul  7 21:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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takashino/21:00
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dansmitho/21:00
edleafe\o21:00
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cdent /o\21:00
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* Vek waves21:01
jroll\o21:01
* bauzas celebrates21:01
mriedemok let's get started21:02
diana_clarkeo/21:02
mriedem#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting21:02
mriedem#topic release news21:02
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mriedem#link Newton release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule21:02
mriedemwe're past the non-priority feature freeze21:02
mriedemthere were some FFEs http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/098896.html21:02
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mriedemthe core team should be focusing on the list in ^ this week21:03
mriedemsince the deadline on those is next wednesday 7/1321:03
bauzasack21:03
mriedemFriday 7/15 is n-221:03
mriedemand then we have the midcycle the week after that21:04
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mriedemif you haven't booked a hotel yet for the midcycle, fyi the price on the holiday inn has gone up21:04
mriedemi updated the wiki page for the midcycle21:04
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mriedemany questions on release stuff?21:05
dansmithand I charge by the sqft for sleeping bags21:05
Vekhaha :)21:05
dansmithor sqm for europeans21:05
mriedem#topic bugs21:05
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mriedemwe have some kind of regression21:05
mriedem#help gate-tempest-dsvm-postgres-full has been failing with SSH timeouts since 7/4 or 7/521:05
mriedemSwanson was going to open a bug21:06
mriedemThe postgres job runs with nova-network but gate-tempest-dsvm-full isn't  failing at the same rate. The postgres job also runs with the  n-api-meta service, which might be contributing somehow to the failures,  but it's not obvious.21:06
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mriedemi compared the failure rates between the gp job and gate-tempest-dsvm-full and they are different,21:06
mriedemand logstash shows the pg job being by far the worst with these ssh timeout failures since ~7/421:06
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mriedemi checked nova/devstack/tempest commits going back to 7/3 and nothing is jumping out at me21:06
mriedemnot sure it would be node provider either21:07
anteayaare all the failures on a single cloud provider?21:07
mriedemanyway, if you want to land code, help out21:07
mriedemhttp://logstash.openstack.org/#dashboard/file/logstash.json?query=%28message%3A\%22TestVolumeBootPattern%3Atest_volume_boot_pattern\%22%20OR\n%20message%3A\%22TestVolumeBootPatternV2%3Atest_volume_boot_pattern\%22%29%20AND\nmessage%3A\%22Initializing%20SSH%20connection%20to\%22%20AND%20message%3A\%22via%20SSH%20timed%20out.\%22%20AND%20tags%3A\%22tempest.txt\%22%20AND%20voting%3A1&from=7d21:08
mriedemanteaya: no21:08
anteayathanks21:08
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mriedemas noted the pg job's main wrinkle is it runs the metadata api21:09
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mriedembut i don't really know why that would be screwing something up here21:09
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mtreinishmriedem: we've had issues with the metadata service in the past21:09
dansmithwell, instances won't get IPs21:09
dansmiththat's one reason it would affect them21:09
mtreinishwhich is what prompted us to default using config drive everywhere else21:09
mriedemok that's something i'm not familiar with21:10
mriedemobviously21:10
jrolldansmith: or ssh keys21:10
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mtreinishdansmith: that or the ssh keys21:10
dansmithjroll: yeah this is timeout I think21:10
jrollI guess IP is the main thing with hanging21:10
mtreinishjroll: you win :)21:10
jrollyeah21:10
jrollheh21:10
* mtreinish blames airplane wifi21:11
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mriedemthat's the only critical bug i'm aware of21:11
anteayaSwanson: has offered #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/160000521:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1600005 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "gate-tempest-dsvm-postgres-full failing on node ovh " [Undecided,New]21:11
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anteayaand feels he could use some constructive feedback on filing more bug reports in future21:12
anteayathanks Swanson21:12
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mriedem#topic reminderes21:12
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mriedemyikes typo21:12
mriedem#link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking21:12
mriedembut really it's FFEs this week21:13
mriedem#help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty?21:13
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mriedemwe have 36 untriaged bugs21:13
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mriedem#topic stable branch status21:14
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mriedemnot much news here, still working on sorting out a cve to release in liberty21:14
mriedemlots of mitaka reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/mitaka,n,z21:14
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mriedemwe'll probably do a mitaka review push after the midcycle21:14
mriedemand a release21:14
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mriedem#topic subteam highlights21:15
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mriedemalaski: cells v2 meeting?21:15
alaskinot much to report this week21:15
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alaskimost of us were focused on FF21:15
alaskihopefully things will spin up a bit more now21:15
alaskireviews welcome21:15
alaskithat's all21:15
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mriedemthanks21:16
mriedemedleafe: scheduler meeting?21:16
* edleafe copies, and then...21:16
edleafeNo meeting this week b/c of US holiday21:16
edleafeA couple of points of focus:21:16
edleafePlacement API: https://review.openstack.org/32914921:16
edleafeRP population: https://review.openstack.org/30017721:16
edleafeUpdates to remove 'nodename' from RT: series beginning with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334031/21:16
edleafethat's it21:16
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mriedemhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=ironic-multiple-compute-part-deuce ?21:17
bauzasI don't think we have a blueprint for21:18
mriedemthe rest of the series is for generic-resource-pools21:18
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bauzaswell, not really I think21:18
bauzasnot really related*21:18
mriedemwell, that's what the commit messages and topic say21:18
mriedembut jaybird isn't here21:19
dansmithyeah, I don't think it is required21:19
mriedemisn't there some spec amendment for this?21:19
dansmithI think he'd like to get those in, but not required for g-r-p21:19
dansmiththat I know of21:19
mriedemhmm21:19
jrollwhat's up?21:19
mriedemthen it sounds like a distraction21:19
mriedem#action mriedem to talk to jaypipes about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334031/21:20
mriedemPaulMurray isn't here for live migration21:20
mriedemmdbooth: diana_clarke: was there a meeting this week?21:20
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diana_clarkeYup, I can dig up some logs.21:20
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mriedemdiana_clarke: i'll come back21:21
mriedemalex_xu: are you around?21:21
jrollmriedem: late, but what you were looking for is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-multiple-compute-hosts21:21
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mriedemjroll: yeah i know about that, but that's not the bp link in jay's bottom change21:21
bauzasis that something we agreed as a prio ?21:22
mriedemg-r-p is the means to the ironic multiple compute end21:22
mriedembauzas: it's not21:22
jrollmriedem: right, ok, just making sure21:22
mriedemok so no api people around21:22
mriedemi don't think there was an sriov meeting this week21:22
mriedemgibi_: was there a notifications meeting?21:22
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* mriedem guesses not21:23
edleafemriedem: the meeting was just me and johnthetubaguy21:23
mriedemedleafe: which one?21:23
edleafesorry, nova api21:23
mriedemversioned notification transformation is basically frozen for newton21:23
mriedemthere are some approved patches going through rebases, but that's it21:23
mriedemi created a bp for ocata for that work though21:23
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mriedembut would like to see the changes actually stacked up because they merge conflict on every approved change21:23
mriedemwhich is super annoying21:23
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mriedemedleafe: did you and johnthetubaguy resolve all api issues?21:24
edleafemriedem: yes, and then had a party to celebrate21:24
mriedemgood21:24
mriedemdiana_clarke: anything for live migration?21:25
diana_clarkeHere are the logs from the live migration meeting. http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-07-05-14.01.log.html21:25
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diana_clarkeOtherwise, I don't have much to add since I haven't really been working on the image backend stuff recently.21:25
mriedemhttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_live_migration/2016/nova_live_migration.2016-07-05-14.01.html no action items21:25
mriedemso ok21:25
mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:25
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mriedemthere was nothing on the agenda21:25
mriedem#topic open discussion21:26
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mriedem#info: no meeting on July 21st due to the midcycle21:26
mriedem#info: dims is proposing to retire nova-docker: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/098940.html21:26
dansmith+100021:26
dimsyay21:26
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mriedemlast thing21:26
mriedemFail build request if we can't inject files? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/098703.html21:26
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mriedemi'm looking for some input on how to handle this21:27
mriedemit turns out, w/o host capabilities, our api kind of sucks :)21:27
mriedemi'm not sure if anyone realized that21:27
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mriedembasically there is a neutron ssh job that is non-voting but it's the only job that will test the 2.32 microversion that does device tagging21:27
mriedemso we want that job running on nova changes21:27
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mriedemi debugged why it was failing, and it was because it was running a file injection test and then ssh'ing into the guest to assert the files existed, which they didn't b/c we disable file injection by default21:28
mriedemthe test doesn't check config drive or the metadata service21:28
mriedemit doesn't create the instance with config drive, and the metadata service is optional21:28
mriedemand the code today just silently ignores if you requested file injection but we don't do it21:29
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mriedemso we can't really fail the build if you're using config drive or the metadata api, but i can't check from the virt driver if the metadata service is running21:29
mriedemso....we're kind of left with a debug log message and possibly a note in the api-ref for the personality extension21:29
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mriedemunless someone else has ideas21:30
alaskihave we deprecated that extension? I know it was discussed a while back21:30
mriedemalaski: it's now folded into the servers extension21:30
mriedemso you can't disable it via policy either21:30
mriedemanymore anyway21:30
alaskiokay, but we're still saying that file injection is a thing people should use?21:31
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* dansmith has an idea21:31
mriedemwe do'nt have anything in the api-ref saying you shouldn't use it21:31
mriedemyeah so we could just delete it21:32
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mriedemwhich is a backward incompatible api change21:32
alaskiyeah21:32
mriedemwe could microversion it out, like the api proxies21:32
mriedembut...that doesn't really work either21:33
mriedembecause you can inject the files via md or config drive21:33
alaskiso on the one hand I feel like it should cause a build failure, anything else you request during an instance boot causes a failure if it doesn't work21:33
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alaskibut on the other hand making a guarantee about fiddling with the guest is hard21:33
alaskiso it feels like an exception to that21:33
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mriedemwhich is why i think i'm basically stuck with debug log that we're ignoring the files in the virt driver, and warning in the api-ref21:34
mriedemthat tihs is entirely dependent on the compute config and may not work, and may not fail21:34
mriedemso use md or config drive21:34
alaskiyeah, we really want to funnel people towards config-drive21:35
mriedembtw, file injection has been disabled by default for libvirt since icehouse21:35
mriedem:)21:35
mriedemanyway, if you have other thoughts, please speak up in the thread,21:35
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mriedemwhen i get a chance i'll probably update my nova change to just do the logging/warning docs stuff21:36
mriedemi do have a change to the neutron job and devstack to actually make those tests work properly21:36
mriedemand i got a patch to disable file injection testing in tempest by default21:36
mriedemsince nova disables it by default21:36
mriedemthat was the easy fix21:36
mriedemalright, any other open discussion?21:36
dansmithmove to adjourn21:36
mriedemdenied!21:37
mriedemsecond?21:37
alaskiseconded21:37
mriedemhear hear21:37
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mriedem#endmeeting21:37
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openstackMeeting ended Thu Jul  7 21:37:22 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)21:37
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mriedem*here21:37
mriedemdamn21:37
dansmithhaha21:37
dansmithcorrection didn't make it in the logs21:37
dansmithyou look like a doofus FOREVER21:37
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anteayamriedem: it actually was "hear him, hear him"21:37
Vekhaha :)21:38
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anteayabut got shortened to hear hear21:38
mriedemanteaya: so i was right21:38
mriedemgreat21:38
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anteayaBritish parliament was where it started, I think21:38
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Veklearn something new every day :)21:38
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anteaya#link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear21:39
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armaxhello22:00
kevinbentonhi!22:00
ajohi! :)22:00
HenryGo/22:00
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slaweqhello22:01
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HenryGcurtesy ping carl_baldwin22:02
bloganhello22:02
* carl_baldwin here22:02
armax#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Jul  7 22:02:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.22:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.22:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers'22:02
cgoncalveshi22:02
armaxhello folks22:02
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amulleryo22:02
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armaxso, let’s go over the list of RFEs that you guys systematically ignore on a weekly basis22:03
HenryGack22:03
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dougwigstarting with the stick today.22:03
armaxWell, I am stating the obvious22:03
dougwigit's ok, your carrot is just a big stick painted orange too, but we all love you anyway.22:03
armax:)22:04
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armaxthe list22:04
armax#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe&orderby=datecreated&start=022:04
armaxbug #147652722:04
openstackbug 1476527 in neutron "[RFE] Add common classifier resource" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147652722:04
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* HenryG notes that the "ignoring" is also probably an indication of reality, i.e. the list is longer than we have capacity for.22:05
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armaxHenryG: perhaps, but no-one is asking to dedicate the entire week to your duty as a driver22:06
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ajoI saw today the other spec about the IETF standard based SFC / classifier22:06
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armaxHenryG: a couple of hours a week bundled across all of us would make a huge difference, but anyway I digress22:06
ajoand I must remark, I had concerns from people leading SFC in other projects, that networking-sfc diverges a bit,22:07
armaxajo: link?22:07
ajoyikes... /me tries22:07
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cgoncalvesigordcard: ^^22:07
ajoprobably from igordcard, yes22:07
* ajo keeps looking22:07
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armaxthe bottom line with this one is that Igor chose to propose this to neutron-specs, I think if the intention is to provide model and API, then people who are interested of working on this should simply work on the neutron-classifier project22:08
armaxI provided some comment/feedback on the RFE22:08
cgoncalvesajo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993/ ?22:08
armaxthis was pretty much what we already agreed like a year ago22:08
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ajohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/308453/22:08
cgoncalvesah, right. that one22:09
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ajohonestly the classification rule sets, are much more cleaner and modular than the flow classifiers defined in the sfc spec22:09
ajowhich are just huge rows with lots of columns22:09
ajowhich eventually are incompatible22:09
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ajoWell, a rule based approach adds complexity, to be honest22:10
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armaxajo: so are you saying that review 308453 clashes with review 33399322:10
armax?22:10
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dougwigsurely the format for packet classification and rules is something that has been solved well elsewhere, and we can do something similar (and compatible), right?22:10
ajothe propose different models22:11
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armaxajo: and yet it’s the same person who proposes both?22:11
armax I am puzzled22:11
ajoit's the same?22:11
ajoI'm puzzled too, I just saw the other proposal today22:11
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armaxanyhow, I think the objective of this discussion is not so much on how to converge on a commonly agreed API, but rather if we consider traffic classification in scope for Neutron22:12
armaxI think it is22:12
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ajoarmax: +122:12
ajothanks for enrailing the conversation again, sorry22:12
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armaxbut to work in a way so that this thing can be reusable across the stadium project, it clearly need to be a module on its own22:13
armaxnow we can take as much as we can to iterate on the spec until consensus is achieved22:13
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cgoncalvesI think review 333993 is, as it says in the commit message, a place for documenting and generating discussion of possible approaches. does not clash per se with review 30845322:13
armaxif interested folks are happy to iterate on proposals targeting neutron-specs, at this point I don’t care one way or another22:13
dougwigi agree that it makes sense as a neutron concept.22:13
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dougwigif we want the discussion on the spec, we should highlight it in the next neutron meeting or something.22:14
ajoI believe it's valuable in the neutron context,22:14
armaxsince the problem space and solution is not well defined as others, we definitely want to give folks room for freedom, and hence yet another reason for having neutron-classifier as a standalone thing22:14
HenryGyou mean a separate repo in the stadium?22:15
ajoarmax, eventually I believe it will be valuable to make qos depend on it22:15
armaxHenryG: no stadium project, it’s yet another openstack project repo22:15
armaxajo: proves us we can use in the qos and we’ll talk22:16
armaxajo: we’re far from getting to that point22:16
armaxI am not signing off a blank check22:16
armaxsorry22:16
dougwigdoesn't the classifier already have its own repo to use?22:16
armaxyew22:16
armaxyes22:16
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armaxI don’t want to care if it breaks22:16
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armaxI don’t want to review infra patches22:16
ajowell, it's just a db model, mostly22:16
armaxuntil we get it to a solid place22:17
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amotokiI am not sure a separate repo works. it is unclear what approach we can do as common classifier.22:17
amotokiIIRC when we started neutron-classifier we try to start with db models and validators.22:17
* igordcard reading from the beginning22:17
armaxamotoki: when we get to a point that for instance the qos folks can/want to use it, then we can talk22:17
armaxuntil then, this is just a proposal on paper22:17
amotokiarmax: agree22:18
armaxthat might go nowhere, still22:18
dougwigamotoki: it can either be a lib or a consumer; a separate repo can always work, just with more hoops to integrate.22:18
dougwigin this case, it'd be a lib in pypi22:18
ajowell, if that's doable, I don't disagree22:18
amotokidougwig: sounds fair. it works22:18
armaxdougwig: you’d need to be a separate thing anyway as it may be reused by more than a single project22:19
ajoit imposes a lot of extra work for distributions to get it consumed,22:19
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ajoand I believe it deserves a decent oversight to get something that it's really common and works for all22:19
armaxand the ultimate commandament of the Stadium is thou shalt not import neutron22:19
ajootherwise, we will end with 10 common classifiers22:19
ajo:)22:19
cgoncalvesajo: +122:20
armaxajo: I expect the oversight to come from the neutron cores who care22:20
armaxyou being one of them22:20
armaxany other, please sign up22:20
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armaxI think we can make it work, we only need perseverance and diligence22:21
armaxshall we move on?22:21
ajoI will signup, but I'll need help22:21
armaxajo: let’s take this offline between you and me to make sure you can be effective in helping the lot converge on a solution22:21
ajoarmax, ack :)22:22
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armaxok22:22
armaxanyone else wants to add anything else?22:22
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armaxin general we feel positive about traffic classification being something we care, we’ll have to incubate the work and watch it closely22:23
armaxonce this becomes more than just a spec we’ll talk on how to bring it into the neutron fold22:24
armaxmoving on22:24
armaxbug #155268022:24
openstackbug 1552680 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for DLM" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1552680 - Assigned to John Schwarz (jschwarz)22:24
armaxI did my homework22:24
armaxcough cough22:24
* amuller hands armax a double chocolate fudge peanut butter cookie22:24
kevinbentonMirantis does not deploy tooz right now unless Ceilometer is used22:24
armaxyes, HOS is the same22:25
kevinbentonso Cinder must not require it22:25
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* carl_baldwin did some homework too.22:25
carl_baldwinCinder doesn't require it yet.22:25
armaxkevinbenton: Cinder is in progress to adopt it22:25
armaxbut not yet22:25
ajoarmax, Kevinbenton: correct22:25
ajo(it's WIP)22:25
dougwigso, punt until this gets more mature?22:26
armaxso bottom line is: we can expect that operators/distros to support tooz/backend of your choice at some point22:26
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armaxdougwig: at this point, I’d punt it to be the first thing we do as soon as Ocata opens up22:26
amullerdougwig: If everyone punted, no one would adopt it. We know it's used by Ceilometer and likely to be used by Cinder.22:26
armaxthat gives us an extra 6 months to get the message out22:26
dougwigamuller: i don't think nova and neutron need to be on the bleeding edge of helping adoption. ceilometer is still very optional.22:27
dougwigfor us, stability is king.22:27
armaxso my position would be, we can start working on it, but merge it as soon as ocata master opens up22:27
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amullerdougwig: How would you explain nova and oslo versioned objects, API versioning22:27
amullerSometimes the big projects march first22:28
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dougwigovo has no deployer impact.22:28
armaxnot every project is alike, not every problem is alike22:28
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amullerAPI versioning, pinning and rolling upgrades do.22:28
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armaxthe compare and contrast exercise is not really helping us make a deicsion in this matter IMO22:28
kevinbentontooz requires another system with a separate life-cycle of upgrades and maintenance22:29
amullerarmax: I agree that work should continue but not merged until early O22:29
armaxis Ocata a timeline people feel comfortable with or do we want to defer it to P?22:29
armaxbecause like it or not22:29
kevinbentonif Cinder is in the process, what is their timeline?22:29
armaxI think tooz/backend is something distros and operators will have to bite at some point22:29
armaxmight as well take levearge if we can22:29
armaxkevinbenton: if they behave perhaps N?22:30
amullerI don't understand how anyone could possibly have enough information to decide *now* if this should preemptively be punted to P, before we even started the O cycle.22:30
dougwigi'm ok with O, provided the performance and stability testing shows a positive return. if we're just doing it because, then i see no point ever.22:30
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armaxamuller: well it’s more a matter of whether the extra 6 months on top of the other 6 months would be welcome by distros and operators22:31
armaxbut I am more like let’s go in O, as that might as well slip to P :)22:31
armaxone never knows!22:31
kevinbentonwell if cinder forces it for N, i'm fine with O22:31
armaxok, let’s provisionally go with O22:31
armaxand reassess as things evolve22:32
armaxjschwarz: go at it!22:32
carl_baldwin+122:32
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armaxjschwarz: but take it easy22:32
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armaxjschwarz: don’t go like until 4am every day, ok?22:32
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ajojschwarz taking it easy? :)22:32
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armaxI mean if you want to party, fine by me22:32
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amullerIt's 1:30am for John he may not actually be here =p22:32
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ajohe will read, I'm sure :-)22:33
armaxok, moving on?22:33
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armaxbug #158088022:33
openstackbug 1580880 in neutron "[RFE] Distributed Portbinding for all port types" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580880 - Assigned to Andreas Scheuring (andreas-scheuring)22:33
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armaxanyone seen this one?22:33
armaxI think this is trying to chew more of it can handle22:34
carl_baldwinThis is the one driven by live migration.22:34
armaxI provided feedback, I am not clear of the conclusion yet22:34
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carl_baldwinOn the slate to discuss at the Nova mid-cycle.22:34
armaxcarl_baldwin: right, we need to agree on the scope of the work for N22:34
armaxbut this is clearly spilling into O22:34
carl_baldwinagreed22:35
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carl_baldwinIt isn't on nova's priority list for N, so it won't make it there either.22:35
armaxI’d rather solve the model and logical schema duplication first and worry about the potential API changes later22:35
dougwigi said last week, and i'll repeat, we shouldn't pigeonhole this as just live migration. it's also a very relevant use case for service VMs (which basically do live migration as part of their lifecycle.)22:35
armaxobviously the former need to accommodate the latter22:35
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carl_baldwindougwig: I don't see any demand for that.  Is there much that I'm not aware of?22:36
armaxdougwig: what do you mean? I might have missed your position22:36
armaxfrom last week’s meeting22:36
carl_baldwindougwig: I'm not saying it isn't relevant, I just don't here people asking for it.  But, maybe I'm not listening in the right places.22:36
dougwigi know that we'd use it in octavia.  we can't do zero downtime upgrades today.22:36
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dougwigit might be that folks have just learned to workaround it.22:37
armaxdougwig: ok, but at the very bottom you’re still live migrating VM’s aren’t you?22:37
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dougwigyes, same basic use case, as long as we don't have to use the nova live migrate mechnism itself.22:37
armaxgotcha22:37
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armaxdougwig: so in other words you’d be ok if the bindings were extended just to two hosts rather than N22:38
carl_baldwindougwig: So, live migrating a port without the VM?22:38
dougwigcarl_baldwin: yes, that'd work22:38
armaxor do you see a case where binding a port to N hosts is something that’s releveant to your use case?22:38
dougwigarmax: how do we know what the second host is?22:38
armaxin the case of Nova, the scheduler or the user tells you22:39
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dougwigthen yes, i'd be ok with a post-launch attach, so 2 would cover it.22:39
armaxok, I am trying to understand if the added complexity of a super generic port binding API is justified22:40
kevinbentonarmax: so you don't think it's worth unspecial-casing DVR?22:40
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armaxkevinbenton: from an API point of view I am not sure if we ever need to fiddle with the compute bindings from the REST API22:40
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armaxkevinbenton: but I might be missing something, so it’s worth asking around22:41
armaxso for this one we shall iterate on it and provide Andreas as much feedback as we can22:41
armaxplease folks, do review the spec22:41
armaxok22:42
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armaxbug #158369422:42
openstackbug 1583694 in neutron "[RFE] DVR support for Allowed_address_pair port that are bound to multiple ACTIVE VM ports" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583694 - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan)22:42
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armaxI may be completely biased here, but I am towards the nay rather than yay22:43
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armaxI have some concerns on the added complexity and future headaches that this use case may bring22:43
armaxanyone shares my feelings? Or am I simply a chicken?22:43
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carl_baldwinI think your concerns are pretty well stated in the comments.22:44
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armaxI know I stated them well, I was asking if you guys agreed :)22:44
carl_baldwinIf there is an easy way to modify topology to achieve the goal ...22:44
kevinbentoni think it sucks that DVR is incompatible with allowed address pairs22:44
kevinbentoncan't do any HA services offered by VMs22:45
armaxkevinbenton: it would be incompatible only under certain conditions22:45
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armaxcarl_baldwin: what’s your position?22:46
armaxcarl_baldwin: you’re a lot more involved in DVR than I22:46
kevinbentonarmax: under any condition where DVR is used :)22:46
armaxkevinbenton: not true22:47
kevinbentonarmax: a VM can't do a virtual IP with another VM22:47
armaxkevinbenton: you can use allowed address pairs with DVR today22:47
carl_baldwinarmax: I've only just read your comment.  Need to digest.22:47
armaxcarl_baldwin: ok22:47
armaxanyone else has an opinion?22:47
armaxcome on folks, your job as driver is to have an opinion, pick your brushes22:47
johnsomQuestion about the DVR FIP bug?22:47
dougwigsorry, i'm still stuck on whether i even want DVR as a first-class feature in neutron, which biases me greatly.22:48
kevinbentonarmax: no, you can't have a virtual IP unless i'm missing something22:48
kevinbentonarmax: that's the whole point of the request, no?22:48
kevinbentonarmax: e.g. multiple ports have the same IP in allowed address pairs that they use VRRP or something similar to advertise22:48
dougwigif DVR is a first-class citizen, then punting this means other first-class features don't work intuitively, which i disagree with.22:48
armaxkevinbenton: active active, no22:49
armaxkevinbenton: active/passive it works22:49
armaxkevinbenton: that’s my understanding anyway22:49
armaxI might be wrong22:49
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johnsomActive/Passive does not work22:49
kevinbentonarmax: unless the VMs update the API somehow, this doesn't work at all because nothing can tell the l3 agents that the IP has moved22:49
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kevinbentonarmax: so active/passive only works if 'passive' means that the virtual IP is removed from the allowed address pairs22:50
johnsomRight, the DVR stuff is ignoring the GARP that VRRP/keepalived sends when it moves the IP22:50
kevinbentonon the non-active hosts22:50
armaxjohnsom: I am gonna have to fish for bug reports filed in the past then22:50
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armaxkevinbenton: I don’t recall on the top of my head how allowed address pair support was added to DVR in the past22:51
armaxkevinbenton: but I do recall that some fixes landed22:51
johnsomThe issue for us is Octavia uses allowed address pairs and VRRP to do act/stndby.  With DVR enabled floating IPs don't work.22:51
armaxcarl_baldwin: does that ring a bell?22:51
amulleran active/passive mechanism that needs API access to perform a failover is far from ideal... you'd want a failover process that uses solely the data plane, not the control plane22:52
armaxjohnsom: the use case is clear22:52
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amullerotherwise you're assuming that the control plane is even up and in an HA scenario you don't really wanna do that22:52
armaxbut the solution proposed is cobbling together DVR and CVR to deliver a frankenstein22:52
carl_baldwinarmax: It rings a bell.  I don't think it added anything having to do with multiple ports with the same IP.22:52
johnsomYeah, failover via the API is too slow.  We can fail over in a second or two with VRRP.22:52
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ajothat defeats the purpose of VRRP22:53
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amullerit's speed but it's also the robustness of the solution22:53
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amullerif robustness is a word :)22:54
armaxit is22:54
carl_baldwinThe problem is that the fip is conceptually on the other side of a router from the VMs and where VRRP is doing its thing.  I don't see a way around going through the CVR.22:54
armaxso, are we saying that in lieu of a better architectural solution being proposed this is dead in the water?22:54
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kevinbentonwell we can have a solution that works but is less than optimal i think22:54
dougwiglike "don't vrrp with fips" ?22:55
kevinbentonif floating IP is associated with something that DVR can't find22:55
kevinbentonit is realized on the centralized node22:55
johnsomMy question/proposal is why can't DVR honor the GARPs like normal switches do.22:55
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amotokiit sounds just a bug in DVR case to me, though it may not be easy to fix.22:55
ajoa complex to solve bug22:56
kevinbentonjohnsom: i think it could. it's just that the floating IP doesn't even get placed anywhere by dvr22:56
kevinbentonjohnsom: because it doesn't know where to put it22:56
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: +1  The fip isn't hosted anywhere.22:56
armaxcarl_baldwin: and the solution is to place it on the network node22:57
kevinbentoni think a regression to centralized would at least get us at parity with legacy routing for an interim solution22:57
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carl_baldwinarmax: Where else would you put it?22:57
armaxcarl_baldwin: I don’t disagree22:57
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armaxcarl_baldwin: all I am saying is that the added complexity to deal with this scares the hell out of me22:57
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armaxI want to limit the opportunities for people to say that DVR sucks22:58
armaxrather than the contrary22:58
carl_baldwinThis is already one of those.  :)22:58
armaxbut they’d say it anyway22:58
armax:)22:58
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: +1 :)22:58
armaxwell, no I slightly disagree22:59
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johnsomYeah, we have had a number of folks hit this limitation and be upset22:59
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armaxok, let’s brainstorm on this a little longer23:00
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armaxwe’re at time23:00
armaxcarl_baldwin: let’s take this offline23:00
armaxthanks folks and keep up the good work23:01
armax#endmeeting23:01
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carl_baldwinarmax: ok23:02
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