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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 09:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
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| oneswig | #link agenda for today (such as it is) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_July_6th_2016 | 09:01 |
| oneswig | Hello ... | 09:01 |
| oneswig | #topic roll call | 09:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 09:01 | |
| oneswig | Anyone remember the new time? | 09:01 |
| ptrlv | Yes, good morning. Peter here. | 09:02 |
| priteau | Good morning oneswig | 09:02 |
| oneswig | Greetings! | 09:02 |
| oneswig | I had a message from Blair, he's likely to be joining late | 09:03 |
| daveh | good morning, this is a much more civilised time for us UK people :) | 09:03 |
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| oneswig | Great, more the merrier | 09:04 |
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| james_ | Hi james@sanger | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | OK, lets get going | 09:05 |
| oneswig | I just messaged with bauzas and hopefully he'll be joining later to talk Blazar, let's defer discussion on that if we can | 09:06 |
| oneswig | #topic Bare metal | 09:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bare metal (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 09:07 | |
| oneswig | Do we have anyone else with an interest here (apart from me)? | 09:07 |
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| daveh | interested but no experience yet | 09:07 |
| apdibbo | same here | 09:08 |
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| ptrlv | the previous minutes linked to a youtube vid | 09:08 |
| daveh | (other than using RH Director to deploy overclouds) | 09:08 |
| priteau | A lot of interest for Chameleon obviously | 09:08 |
| ptrlv | can you summarise that vid quickly? | 09:08 |
| dariov | Hello! | 09:08 |
| priteau | and experience as well | 09:08 |
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| oneswig | ptrlv: can you remind me of the link... was it the chameleon talk? | 09:09 |
| ptrlv | yes | 09:09 |
| oneswig | dariov: hi, welcome | 09:09 |
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| ptrlv | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-06-28-21.01.html | 09:09 |
| oneswig | Ah, right, Kate Keahey's talk from the summit | 09:10 |
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| oneswig | Some of the interesting follow-up from that talk I heard of was the issues with scheduling access (blazar) and issues with managing bare metal serial consoles. | 09:11 |
| oneswig | priteau: do you know if there was any progress on serial consoles? I still don't have them managed through Ironic on our deployment | 09:11 |
| priteau | oneswig: I saw a little activity on the Gerrit topics in the past two weeks, but not much. On our side we just shipped new features for Chameleon and will now get back to evaluate serial console | 09:12 |
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| priteau | I may have more information by the end of July, once we are able to test the patches proposed on Gerrit | 09:13 |
| verdurin | Sorry I'm late - Central Line ate my homework | 09:13 |
| oneswig | priteau: OK thanks I'll keep tracking that myself, would hope to have some more experience to report in about the same timeframe | 09:14 |
| oneswig | verdurin: hi! | 09:14 |
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| oneswig | We've had some curious problems this week with bare metal and Dell kit that might be worth sharing | 09:15 |
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| oneswig | Using RH director (ie TripleO), the Ironic python agent ramdisk was unable to cope with the long start time of the raid | 09:16 |
| oneswig | Also have some projects underway to configure Dell BIOS and RAID config ... via Ansible... | 09:17 |
| oneswig | Also came across a really excellent tool for identifying discrepancies in Ironic introspection data using a tool called cardiff | 09:18 |
| verdurin | oneswig: if you can share those, perhaps they can be generalized e.g. to Lenovo too? | 09:18 |
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| priteau | We would love to learn more about your experience with BIOS config | 09:18 |
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| oneswig | verdurin: it's using the iDRAC interface, I suspect that's unique to Dell alas? | 09:18 |
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| apdibbo | could it be done using the redfish interfaces? | 09:19 |
| priteau | oneswig: Are you using the PXE DRAC Driver? | 09:19 |
| ptrlv | oneswig: still useful given we likely procure Dell stuff | 09:19 |
| oneswig | priteau: share and enjoy! Will keep you updated. Yes we (sometimes) use pxe_drac but it's not solid | 09:19 |
| verdurin | Sadly redfish support is embryonic at best for many vendors | 09:20 |
| oneswig | apdibbo: Is that the interface for OCP? Sounds good to me. I'm building the modules on Ironic's python-dracclient but they ought to be transferrable | 09:20 |
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| priteau | What's the current link to cardiff? I found this with Google, but the GitHub link is a 404: https://www.redhat.com/archives/rdo-list/2015-April/msg00188.html | 09:20 |
| oneswig | I think it's part of python-hardware | 09:20 |
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| apdibbo | oneswigh: we are using the redfish interface to collect some info, it was initially from OCP but has been picked up pretty well by Dell and Supermicro | 09:21 |
| oneswig | then it's hardware-cardiff | 09:21 |
| oneswig | apdibbo: thanks I'll look out for that, is it also possible to modify settings through redfish on those bioses? | 09:22 |
| apdibbo | oneswig: I believe so | 09:22 |
| oneswig | apdibbo: Interesting, will check | 09:23 |
| oneswig | AOB for bare metal? | 09:23 |
| priteau | #link https://github.com/redhat-cip/hardware | 09:23 |
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| oneswig | OK lets roll on | 09:24 |
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| oneswig | #topic parallel filesystems | 09:24 |
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| oneswig | I don't have anything myself here. We intend to connect our deployment to a new (external) lustre store later today. The two have not met yet. | 09:25 |
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| b1airo | evening | 09:26 |
| daveh | we have not connected Openstack and Lustre yet either, concerns over security i.e. no multi-tenant in Lustre (same concerns as accessing NFS from instances) | 09:26 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo | 09:26 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 09:26 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 09:26 |
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| b1airo | really need to get my irc bouncer setup again - missing the history | 09:27 |
| b1airo | speaking of HPFS by the sound of it? | 09:27 |
| oneswig | daveh: Right. Our policy is to put the filesystem on a provider network visible only to the project using it | 09:27 |
| b1airo | oneswig, ours too | 09:27 |
| daveh | so... each filesystem is used by a single project? we have shared filesystems which makes life... more interesting | 09:27 |
| aloga | hi sorry for being late | 09:27 |
| oneswig | b1airo: yes, just covered bare metal and cooling down with hpfs :-) | 09:27 |
| aloga | on a colliding meeting | 09:28 |
| oneswig | daveh: agreed - not my area alas | 09:28 |
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| oneswig | aloga: hi, thanks for coming | 09:28 |
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| aloga | FYI we are using GPFS | 09:28 |
| aloga | with some nasty and ugly workarounds | 09:28 |
| oneswig | aloga: In OpenStack? Can you share the config? | 09:28 |
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| ptrlv | has anyone got their hands dirty with AWS EFS announce recently? | 09:28 |
| aloga | oneswig: we're running sun grid engine worker nodes as OpenStak instances | 09:29 |
| b1airo | this is in Indigo aloga ? | 09:29 |
| aloga | b1airo: nope | 09:29 |
| aloga | b1airo: this is internally at out CSIC infrastructure | 09:29 |
| dariov | ptrlv, planning to do so in the future | 09:29 |
| oneswig | ptrlv: not on my radar unfortunately | 09:29 |
| verdurin | experimentally we've tried a similar per-project provider network isolation approach with GPFS | 09:29 |
| ptrlv | #link https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-elastic-file-system-shared-file-storage-for-amazon-ec2/ | 09:29 |
| aloga | b1airo: we are a scientific datacenter: WLCG, astrophysics, bioinformatics, engineering, etc. | 09:29 |
| dariov | ptrlv: hopefully by september I think | 09:30 |
| aloga | b1airo: we have two different infrastructures, an HPC one and a HTC one | 09:30 |
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| aloga | the HTC one is running on top of OpenStack since long | 09:30 |
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| aloga | with access to our GPFS cluster | 09:30 |
| oneswig | aloga: Do the two infrastructures share a common gpfs filesystem? | 09:30 |
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| aloga | oneswig: no | 09:31 |
| aloga | oneswig: the HPC one goes over infiniband | 09:31 |
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| oneswig | aloga: is there a need to share datasets between them, if so how? | 09:31 |
| aloga | oneswig: no, they are separated, as they have different entry policies | 09:32 |
| b1airo | verdurin, you said experimentally - did it work out? | 09:32 |
| oneswig | b1airo: perhaps he's gone on the central line again? :-) | 09:34 |
| oneswig | (perhaps you missed that bit...) | 09:35 |
| b1airo | oh, flakely connection? | 09:35 |
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| b1airo | "flakely"... what? | 09:35 |
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| b1airo | :-) | 09:35 |
| oneswig | homework excuse! | 09:35 |
| b1airo | so aloga, is your hpc using openstack too? | 09:36 |
| * bauzas waves | 09:36 | |
| oneswig | Shall we move on? | 09:36 |
| oneswig | Hi bauzas | 09:36 |
| aloga | b1airo: nope | 09:36 |
| oneswig | thanks for joining | 09:36 |
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| oneswig | #topic accounting and scheduling | 09:36 |
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| aloga | b1airo: although there are plans on the sight :) | 09:37 |
| oneswig | We have had some interesting discussions recently | 09:37 |
| oneswig | and they have often included Blazar for resource reservation management | 09:37 |
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| oneswig | Blue sky stuff: Sometimes with how it might (in theory) be combined with preemtible instances (OPIE) to good effect | 09:38 |
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| verdurin | b1airo: it works in testing, we're reluctant to roll out more widely yet | 09:38 |
| bauzas | FWIW, Blazar would need a certain amount of effort for catching-up with the latest Nova API | 09:38 |
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| b1airo | aloga, sounds good - perhaps an announcement when the summit comes to you (though i guess you are in madrid?) | 09:39 |
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| aloga | b1airo: actually 400km north :-P | 09:39 |
| aloga | b1airo: Santander, over the sea | 09:39 |
| oneswig | priteau: did you have any success with moving your patches upstream for blazar? | 09:40 |
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| oneswig | bauzas: how far out of date do you think it is? | 09:40 |
| priteau | oneswig: I haven't had the time to push any yet, but I am working on this now | 09:40 |
| bauzas | oneswig: so, there are 2 backends | 09:41 |
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| bauzas | oneswig: one is basically using aggregates, and those haven't really changed | 09:42 |
| bauzas | oneswig: that's the backend you use when you want to do a full host reservation | 09:42 |
| bauzas | oneswig: the problem is with the other backend, used for instance reservation | 09:42 |
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| bauzas | oneswig: it was using an old compute v2.0 extension mechanism that has been deprecated | 09:43 |
| priteau | (in Chameleon we use the first backend) | 09:43 |
| oneswig | priteau: is this problem familiar to you and is it part of your changes? | 09:43 |
| bauzas | so, tbh, I see the functionality broken | 09:43 |
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| bauzas | oneswig: one way to solve the problem could be to deprecate that Blazar API resource, and only allow to reserve hosts | 09:44 |
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| priteau | oneswig: We are not using the instance reservation feature at all, and haven't made any fixes to it | 09:44 |
| bauzas | particularly if the Chameleon project isn't really using ity | 09:44 |
| oneswig | bauzas: so for bare metal hosts we'd use the first backend only, and that's effectively partitioning off an entire nova compute node in the virtualised case? | 09:45 |
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| priteau | bauzas: Do you know if OPNFV is using or intending to use instance reservation? | 09:45 |
| bauzas | oneswig: I'd say reserving an host would make more sense from a baremetal PoV | 09:45 |
| bauzas | even if the Ironic driver conceptualizes that differently | 09:46 |
| bauzas | priteau: I haven't heard about OPNFV intending to use Blazar yet | 09:46 |
| b1airo | i think the instance reservation use-case would be the most popular generally | 09:46 |
| b1airo | i.e., for general purpose science clouds | 09:47 |
| bauzas | that's a valid concern | 09:47 |
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| b1airo | there is often a need to provide some fraction of the resource as guaranteed capacity to projects doing time blocked things like training courses and so forth | 09:47 |
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| bauzas | I'm just expressing the point that I'm pretty sure it won't work with the latest Nova release :) | 09:48 |
| oneswig | bauzas: there was some discussion on the constraint that Blazar effectively manages its own partitioned group of nova computes. I think I'm getting to understand the issue behind that now but is there a way around it so that we might be able to get higher utilisation? | 09:48 |
| bauzas | oneswig: well, the problem is that you're in a cloud, right? | 09:48 |
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| b1airo | at the moment we achieve this in NeCTAR by manually manipulating host aggregates, but that really sucks because it puts an admin in the critical path and means resources are usually held idle for a long time | 09:48 |
| bauzas | oneswig: so you can't really control which workloads will run in the future | 09:49 |
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| b1airo | bauzas, yes understood re. api compatibility, thanks for raising that | 09:49 |
| bauzas | oneswig: that's why the host reservation backend used aggregates, to isolate a full group of hosts we could control | 09:49 |
| bauzas | that said, the instance reservation backend was working totally differently | 09:50 |
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| bauzas | without really isolating groups of hosts | 09:50 |
| oneswig | bauzas: right, but it reminds me of other circumstances where a block of resource gets scheduled on demand, somehow we get there... | 09:50 |
| bauzas | the instance reservation backend was basically spawning an instance, and then shelving it | 09:50 |
| bauzas | and then unshelving it on purpose (when the lease started) | 09:51 |
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| b1airo | oh wow, and that worked? | 09:52 |
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| oneswig | bauzas: there's been some discussion previously on the possibility of alternatively preempting running instances according to some policy to make way for a resource reservation. Any hope for that? | 09:53 |
| b1airo | seems like there must be some overlap between the scheduler mechanism opie is proposing for preemptible instances and what would be needed for reservations | 09:53 |
| dariov | bauzas: but that would lock all the resources even when the instance is shelved, right? | 09:53 |
| bauzas | b1airo: well, the problem with shelve offload is that nova frees up the resource usage | 09:53 |
| bauzas | b1airo: that's not a problem for Nova, but that's a problem for Blazar | 09:54 |
| bauzas | b1airo: that means that when you unshelve the instance, you would then reschedule the instance to another host | 09:54 |
| bauzas | with no guarantee that you'll have enough capacity by this time | 09:54 |
| bauzas | dariov: resources are locked only when you shelve an instance, not when you shelve offload it | 09:55 |
| bauzas | dariov: you could say "easy, let's just shelve the instance without offloading it" | 09:56 |
| b1airo | may as well just suspend it then | 09:56 |
| bauzas | dariov: but then, the host would need to support the added capacity for the instance that is going to be used only in 1 month | 09:56 |
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| dariov | bauzas: yep, that was my concern | 09:57 |
| bauzas | dariov: suspend doesn't really differ from the active state, except that your VM is paused | 09:57 |
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| b1airo | i think we can agree shelving might have been a convenient hack, but it's not an adequate solution to this problem | 09:57 |
| bauzas | that's why I'm particularly thinking that it's kinda necessary to allocate a certain amount of resources (hosts or whatever else) for Blazar | 09:58 |
| aloga | yes, but even if you reserve those resources for blazar, they are going to be infrautilized | 09:58 |
| bauzas | because you need to control and guarantee that you'll be able to spawn the instances when the lease will start | 09:58 |
| aloga | as there will be periods when the hosts will be empty, right? | 09:58 |
| bauzas | aloga: I agree | 09:58 |
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| oneswig | Unfortunately we are out of time | 09:59 |
| bauzas | aloga: well, of course, that depends on your lease management system | 09:59 |
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| b1airo | bauzas, for us i think if we could backfill those hosts with preemptible workload we'd be happy for a while, but ultimately i think both reservations and preemption are things we'd like to see built into nova scheduler | 09:59 |
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| oneswig | bauzas: any thoughts on that? | 09:59 |
| dariov | bauzas: that’s where preemptible instances come to the rescue | 09:59 |
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| aloga | b1airo: +1 | 09:59 |
| aloga | we struggle to get our resources near 100% utilization | 10:00 |
| bauzas | b1airo: well, that's an open point that can't be solved by the time we have :) | 10:00 |
| b1airo | interesting food for thought, but doing anything with nova scheduler has seemed fraught for a few cycles at least | 10:00 |
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| oneswig | Sorry all, we must release the channel - perhaps shelve the discussion... | 10:00 |
| b1airo | nice one oneswig | 10:01 |
| aloga | shelve offload or just shelve? :P | 10:01 |
| oneswig | Thanks all! Until next time | 10:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 10:01:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-07-06-09.00.html | 10:01 |
| b1airo | i think it is still free after this actually, but yes, i need to eat | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-07-06-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-07-06-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
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| b1airo | thanks very much all | 10:01 |
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| aloga | thanks b1airo oneswig bauzas dariov et al. | 10:02 |
| priteau | thanks | 10:02 |
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| apdibbo | thanks | 10:02 |
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| daveh | oneswig: I'd be interested to talk to anyone at your end re Lustre/Openstack if they have hints/war stories... thanks | 10:03 |
| b1airo | daveh, we @Monash have some of those too | 10:03 |
| b1airo | and oneswig - we need to sync up pretty soon to organise that talk proposal | 10:03 |
| oneswig | daveh: I can put you in touch | 10:03 |
| oneswig | b1airo: crikey, good point | 10:03 |
| daveh | thanks both: dh3@sanger.ac.uk | 10:04 |
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| b1airo | certainly got some interest from others, shall i chuck some notes in a doc and share with you and Wojciech? | 10:04 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: yes please | 10:05 |
| oneswig | over and out | 10:06 |
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| Guest_94845 | when a person commits one sin a black dot sustains the heart | 12:02 |
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| Guest_94845 | to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger | 12:04 |
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| Guest_94845 | read book http://www.fazaileamaal.com | 12:05 |
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| Guest_94845 | read book http://www.muntakhabahadith.com | 12:05 |
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| Guest_94845 | need spiritual teacher visit http://www.alhaadi.org.za | 12:06 |
| Guest_94845 | allah created the sky without any pillars | 12:06 |
| Guest_94845 | allah makes the sun rise from the east and Allah makes the sun set in the west | 12:07 |
| Guest_94845 | allah makes the day into the night and Allah makes the night into the day | 12:08 |
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| Guest_94845 | allah gives life and Allah gives death | 12:08 |
| Guest_94845 | all creation are useless,worthless,hopeless | 12:09 |
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| Guest_94845 | can not benefit | 12:10 |
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| Guest_94845 | can not harm | 12:10 |
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| Guest_94845 | allah is the doer of each and everything | 12:11 |
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| Guest_94845 | when Allah wants us to stand we stand | 12:11 |
| Guest_94845 | when Allah wants us to sit we sit | 12:11 |
| Guest_94845 | i am not doing Allah is doing | 12:11 |
| Guest_94845 | you are not doing Allah is doing | 12:11 |
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| Guest_94845 | atom bomb is not doing Allah is doing | 12:12 |
| Guest_94845 | rice is not doing Allah is doing | 12:12 |
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| Guest_94845 | all creation get together can not create one grain of rice | 12:12 |
| Guest_94845 | all humans get together can not stop rain | 12:13 |
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| Guest_94845 | all humans get together can not move sun one second up or down | 12:14 |
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| Guest_94845 | we can not count the hair on our head | 12:14 |
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| Guest_94845 | two people take same medicine one passes away and one does not | 12:17 |
| Guest_94845 | degree has no power to give job | 12:17 |
| Guest_94845 | many people have degrees but do not have jobs | 12:17 |
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| Guest_94845 | one person is working is working very much but is earning very less | 12:18 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:01 |
| Yipei_ | hi | 13:01 |
| huangdongfeng | hi | 13:01 |
| zhiyuan | hi | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 13:02:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:03 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:03 |
| Yipei_ | #info Yipei | 13:03 |
| huangdongfeng | #info dongfeng | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | hello Nova api 2.0 will be deprecated soon | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | so tricircle needs to call Nova 2.1 api too | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | hello, could you see the pacth in tricircle "bump to Nova 2.1"? | 13:06 |
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| Yipei_ | yes, i saw it | 13:06 |
| joehuang | only a little update is needed for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324226/ | 13:06 |
| Administrator_ | hello | 13:07 |
| Administrator_ | :) | 13:07 |
| joehuang | Administrator_, who are you? | 13:07 |
| zhiyuan | could you change your nick name? | 13:08 |
| joehuang | you can use /NICK to change to your name | 13:08 |
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| zhiyuan | shall we update the patch for zhengzhenyu, or send him a mail? | 13:08 |
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| ronghui01 | hello | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | hello, my network connection was broken for a while | 13:12 |
| joehuang | I contacted zhengyu, he is very busy, would someone update the commit message, then the patch could be merged soon | 13:12 |
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| ronghui01 | i can try it | 13:14 |
| joehuang | hello, can you see my message, I am afraid offline again | 13:14 |
| joehuang | good! | 13:14 |
| joehuang | hi, Ronghui | 13:14 |
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| ronghui01 | i will update the commit message which from zhiyuan's suggest in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324226/ | 13:16 |
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| joehuang | good, thank you ronghui. | 13:17 |
| ronghui01 | that's ok:) | 13:17 |
| joehuang | #action bump to Nova 2.1 in Tricircle | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | there are some bugs reported in launch pad : https://bugs.launchpad.net/tricircle | 13:17 |
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| Yipei_ | i take one, but still learn to how to fix it | 13:18 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, so you can assign the bug to you | 13:19 |
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| Yipei_ | yes, i did. in #1562441, we need to use different ipv4 addresses belong to all kinds of addresses, respectively? | 13:23 |
| zhiyuan | hi joe, maybe you can try irssi in our server | 13:23 |
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| joehuang | my link was broken again | 13:24 |
| joehuang | to Zhiyuan, I remember this bug " #1566184" has been fixed in your patch? | 13:24 |
| longxiongqiu | hi | 13:24 |
| joehuang | hi xiongqiu | 13:24 |
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| zhiyuan | no, my patch has not changed the static bridige network CIDR yet | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | hello, this bug is "when getting client for top region, 'top' should be replaced with a constant" | 13:26 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:26 |
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| zhiyuan | yes, i think that's another bug. | 13:27 |
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| zhiyuan | 1562441 is about the static CIDR | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | I think dongfeng can start from fixing some bugs which is easy to work on | 13:28 |
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| huangdongfeng | oh, I am beginning to learn the devstack and tricircle. but i can try with the help of Yipei. | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | good, how about the issue you shared in the mail-list | 13:30 |
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| huangdongfeng | zhiyuan helped me fix it. | 13:31 |
| zhiyuan | oh yes, you can submit a patch to modify the configuration sample | 13:31 |
| joehuang | good, you can submit a patch and fix it in the trunk | 13:31 |
| huangdongfeng | ok, i can't log onto the openstack today, i will do as soon. | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | #action fix the local.conf.sample | 13:33 |
| joehuang | there is one interesting patch in Neutron which will be helpful for L2 networking across OpenStack | 13:33 |
| joehuang | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282180/ | 13:34 |
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| joehuang | Add Unicast Flooding Vteps to Provider Network | 13:34 |
| joehuang | This patch will be very helpful if the L2 network only needs to across very limited OpenStack instances | 13:35 |
| joehuang | for it uses flooding for BUM | 13:35 |
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| joehuang | we can add this patch into watch list, and update cross pod l2 networking if needed | 13:37 |
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| zhiyuan | with this patch, host in OpenStack can directly connect to l2 gateway in the other OpenStack via VxLAN tunnel. in our previous solution, host needs to first connect to local l2 gateway, then to remote l2 gateway | 13:38 |
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| joehuang | yes, it provides the possibility to extend L2 network to remote site | 13:39 |
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| joehuang | the only issue is that if there are a list of remote VTEP, then a multicast will happen, if the local can learn which remote VTEP reponds, and send later patcket to this vtep only | 13:40 |
| joehuang | then it will work in list of VTEPs | 13:41 |
| joehuang | other wise, I am afraid that the packets will be replicated to multiple destination, and always, this is unecessary | 13:42 |
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| joehuang | let's keep watching on this patch. | 13:43 |
| zhiyuan | it depends on how the patch is implemented | 13:43 |
| zhiyuan | yes | 13:43 |
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| joehuang | agree | 13:43 |
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| zhiyuan | ij | 13:53 |
| zhiyuan | jkjkdkkdkjkjkj | 13:53 |
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| Yipei_ | Joe is offline | 13:54 |
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| zhiyuan_ | it seems that joe lost connection again | 13:55 |
| zhiyuan_ | he asks me to end the meeting today | 13:55 |
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| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 13:55:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-07-06-13.02.html | 13:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-07-06-13.02.txt | 13:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-07-06-13.02.log.html | 13:55 |
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| vkramskikh | #startmeeting javascript | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | hmm, doesn't seem to work :( | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 14:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkramskikh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | oh it does | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | hi everyone | 14:00 |
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| vkramskikh | who's there? | 14:00 |
| azemlyanov | hello there | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-07-06 | 14:00 |
| cardeois | Hello | 14:00 |
| jaranovich | hi! | 14:01 |
| vkramskikh | here is the agenda for this meeting | 14:01 |
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| jprivard | hello | 14:01 |
| vkramskikh | not so many things to discuss, so feel free to add your items | 14:01 |
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| vkramskikh | #topic ES2015 & Build approach | 14:01 |
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| larainema | hello | 14:02 |
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| vkramskikh | I've created a spec for transpiler integration and build/testing approaches | 14:02 |
| vkramskikh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332458/ | 14:02 |
| vkramskikh | feel free to review | 14:02 |
| vkramskikh | I've used modules/technologies that we agreed to use on the last meeting | 14:02 |
| betherly | o/ | 14:02 |
| cardeois | yep sounds good | 14:02 |
| vkramskikh | jasmine, karma, babel | 14:02 |
| cardeois | however I did a checkout of this review | 14:03 |
| vkramskikh | the only thing which we didn't discuss is the tool which builds browser version of the library | 14:03 |
| cardeois | and npm install takes around 480MB | 14:03 |
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| cardeois | I mean node_modules, is that acceptable? and are you reproducing this? | 14:03 |
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| vkramskikh | the most popular modules for this are Browserify and Webpack | 14:04 |
| vkramskikh | I've chosen Webpack since I have experience with it | 14:04 |
| cardeois | As for the browser version I think webpack is the best choice right now | 14:04 |
| azemlyanov | what's the builder? webpack? | 14:04 |
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| cardeois | I have experience with Browserify and if I'm not mistaking they say on their repo to use webpack now | 14:04 |
| azemlyanov | browserify is much simpler tool | 14:04 |
| cardeois | It's more modular | 14:04 |
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| vkramskikh | cardeois: what did you install to get 480MB of node_modules? | 14:05 |
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| azemlyanov | transpiler is heavy, it's dev deps, not prod deps | 14:05 |
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| vkramskikh | just checked Fuel's node_modules - it uses babel, webpack and lots of other stuff - it takes 175MB | 14:06 |
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| cardeois | vkramskikh sorry I'm wrong I did checkout this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334268/and did `npm install` | 14:06 |
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| vkramskikh | Babel is heavy, yes | 14:06 |
| vkramskikh | but since 6.8 it takes less space | 14:06 |
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| vkramskikh | because before 6.8 it has dependency on Babel 5 to compile itself | 14:06 |
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| vkramskikh | cardeois: interesting, I'll check it | 14:07 |
| vkramskikh | BTW, are you using NPM3? | 14:07 |
| cardeois | But it uses babel 6.10 | 14:07 |
| cardeois | no but if I use npm3, it's smaller yes | 14:07 |
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| vkramskikh | NPM3 has dedupe functionality enabled by default, which results in much smaller node_modules | 14:08 |
| vkramskikh | so, does anyone has any objections against using webpack? | 14:08 |
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| cardeois | yeah however is that a problem to force using npm3 or something? | 14:08 |
| vkramskikh | I'll wait for 1 minute | 14:08 |
| cardeois | nope webpack is good for me | 14:08 |
| azemlyanov | no real competitors to webpack now | 14:08 |
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| jaranovich | +1 for webpack | 14:09 |
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| vkramskikh | cardeois: don't think so, and AFAIR Ubuntu Xenial has NPM3 | 14:09 |
| vkramskikh | #agreed Use Webpack for creating browser version of js-openstack-lib | 14:10 |
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| vkramskikh | I'll try to create some PoC by the next week with karma/jasmine/webpack/babel | 14:11 |
| vkramskikh | #topic Open Discussion | 14:11 |
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| vkramskikh | so, does anyone have any more topics to discuss? | 14:11 |
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| azemlyanov | what's the status of fetch? | 14:11 |
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| vkramskikh | it's ready for reviewing :) | 14:12 |
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| cardeois | But isn't it already done in this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334268/ ? (the PoC) | 14:12 |
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| vkramskikh | cardeois: I didn't review it yet, will take a look | 14:13 |
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| cardeois | yeah it contains webpack/jasmine/karma/babel all you want | 14:13 |
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| vkramskikh | awesome, maybe I'll take it over and resolve your comments since krot_vaca_jul19 is on vacation :) | 14:14 |
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| cardeois | ok | 14:14 |
| cardeois | For open discussion, I have some questions, I could ask them in openstack-javascript but as everybody's there | 14:14 |
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| cardeois | I started with jprivard to understand how to setup a devstack gate | 14:14 |
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| cardeois | first item will be to add a functionnality (or integration) test in js-openstack-lib that our gate job will call, does that make sense? | 14:15 |
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| vkramskikh | I think yes | 14:16 |
| cardeois | As no test setup is done yet should I depend on an existing review? (Sorry but I'm very new to all this opensource process) | 14:16 |
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| vkramskikh | cardeois: it seems the only option | 14:16 |
| cardeois | ok cool | 14:16 |
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| cardeois | Also, a lot of python projects are using tempest to run the tests, We are using javascript though, so I guess we don't want to integrate with tempest? | 14:17 |
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| vkramskikh | I have no idea. we wanted to be a pure JS repo, though we already use sphinx for docs which is a python library | 14:18 |
| cardeois | ok I'll try to find out by myself then, thanks anyway | 14:19 |
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| vkramskikh | I saw on the previous meeting there was a discussion about adopting Node6. Could anyone remind me why we need it? | 14:20 |
| vkramskikh | to get rid of transpiler for node version of the library? | 14:20 |
| vkramskikh | or just because it will have LTS status by October? | 14:20 |
| cardeois | Maybe yes, but node6 even if it will be LTS is not LTS yet | 14:21 |
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| cardeois | And we need to support previous LTS node4. But yeahh the goal was to get all new functionnalities from node6 | 14:21 |
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| vkramskikh | if it's about ES2016 features, it appears to be not really necessary as Babel covers most of the cases | 14:22 |
| vkramskikh | except some rarely used features like Proxies - they're just not polyfillable | 14:23 |
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| larainema | i have talked with krostcheck, he wanted the new features from node6, but we also need to support previous node4 | 14:23 |
| cardeois | ok | 14:23 |
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| msmol | sorry for being late | 14:24 |
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| vkramskikh | msmol: we don't have many topics to discuss today, so it's time for open discussion | 14:24 |
| cardeois | yeah so we can get a compromise: Use node6 features that babel can transpile | 14:25 |
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| vkramskikh | does anyone else have anything to discuss? if no, I'll close the meeting in 1 minute | 14:27 |
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| msmol | nothing on my end | 14:28 |
| cardeois | I have a last question for open discussion. We are starting to support cloud.yaml format (as JSON) so we can initiate communications with openstack. However, if we use our lib in server side and we want to keep the token, shouldn't we support a way to load our lib from a auth-token or something? My point being if a client has a server with sessions using our lib, how to we keep | 14:28 |
| cardeois | the connection? | 14:28 |
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| cardeois | maybe it's a bad use of our lib I don't know, but in the apps at my job, we often store the catalog and token in session, so new request calls from browsers can reuse the token | 14:30 |
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| azemlyanov | I think lib and http server are different things | 14:30 |
| vkramskikh | cardeois: you want to initialize the library using existing token instead of username/password? | 14:30 |
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| azemlyanov | I think both are ok | 14:31 |
| cardeois | as an alternative yes | 14:31 |
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| vkramskikh | i think we should support it | 14:31 |
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| cardeois | yeah otherwise people using our lib in an http server will find our lib not that useful, or will hack it to find their way | 14:32 |
| cardeois | That's what we did a long time ago with python-novaclient | 14:32 |
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| vkramskikh | our dummy sample keystone client already supports initialization with both token and username/password | 14:32 |
| vkramskikh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332461/1/src/identity/index.js@37 | 14:32 |
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| cardeois | oh alright, didn't see that | 14:32 |
| azemlyanov | I think http servers are in python and nobody happy with node http servers | 14:33 |
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| vkramskikh | ok, if we still have anything to discuss, let's do it in #openstack-javascript | 14:35 |
| vkramskikh | bye! | 14:35 |
| vkramskikh | #endmeeting | 14:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 14:35:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:35 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-07-06-14.00.html | 14:35 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-07-06-14.00.txt | 14:35 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-07-06-14.00.log.html | 14:35 |
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| SotK | Anyone around for storyboard? | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | I am here | 15:04 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 15:04:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:04 |
| SotK | Apologies if I disappear at any point, my internet is misbehaving today | 15:04 |
| * anteaya nods | 15:04 | |
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| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 15:05 |
| SotK | I don't think there is anything urgent or announcement-like | 15:05 |
| anteaya | I can't think of anything | 15:05 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:06 |
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| SotK | I sent a patch to make editing and deleting comments configurable and disabled by default | 15:06 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:06 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338165/ | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | fungi: ^^ if you could be so kind as to add that to your review queue | 15:07 |
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| SotK | I also updated the webclient patch which adds a UI for editing to cause it to be disabled by default too | 15:07 |
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| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333418/ | 15:08 |
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| ttx | o/ | 15:08 |
| anteaya | I guess in the api docs, I can just say these features are disabled by default: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338165/3/storyboard/api/v1/timeline.py | 15:09 |
| anteaya | and skip the examples for the docs | 15:09 |
| anteaya | welcome ttx | 15:09 |
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| * SotK is happy with that | 15:10 | |
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| SotK | hi ttx | 15:10 |
| anteaya | okay great, thank you | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | I'll add that to my current timeline api docs patch after the meeting | 15:10 |
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| SotK | I hope to update my "complex priorities" patch after the meeting at last | 15:11 |
| anteaya | what is the description of complex priorities? | 15:11 |
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| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312666/ | 15:11 |
| anteaya | sorry I haven't been following that feature | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | I guess the complex priorities feature would be of interest to folks who do realeases and such | 15:13 |
| anteaya | ttx does the above patch suit your needs? | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | or the rationale for the change at the very least? | 15:13 |
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| SotK | that patch is intended to provide a way to see in the story view if (and how) relevant things in that story are to people who's priorities you care about | 15:15 |
| anteaya | oh I missed this adds something to the story view | 15:15 |
| anteaya | I have been enjoying how uncluttered the story view has been personally | 15:15 |
| anteaya | and if I wanted clutter, I could look at worklists or boards | 15:16 |
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| * SotK can't see how else such a thing can be achieved, without hiding priority behind a button click | 15:17 | |
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| anteaya | I'm wondering what would happen if it could be seen in the subscription view | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | then if I am subscribed to a story I might get a window or pop up or expansion box with this information | 15:18 |
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| SotK | hm, but then you'd have to subscribe to a story in order to see its effective priority | 15:18 |
| anteaya | yes | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | but isn't that the point? | 15:18 |
| ttx | looking | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | if I want to see how important this story is to other people, shouldn't I say I want that by subscribing to the story? | 15:19 |
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| SotK | no, you subscribe to other people's worklists (their expression of priority/importance) | 15:19 |
| SotK | essentially saying "tell me if I'm looking at something $person cares about" | 15:20 |
| anteaya | oh so if I don't subscribe to other people's worklists I don't have to see this? | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | I thought that was the point of the worklist? | 15:20 |
| anteaya | if I subscribe to someone else's work list then I can see what is on the worklist and the priority given to it in the worklist | 15:21 |
| anteaya | can I not? | 15:21 |
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| anteaya | and I'm emailed of changes to that worklist, am I not? | 15:21 |
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| ttx | struggling to see the change in draft (400: GET https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/api/v1/worklists: Unknown argument: "subscriber_id") | 15:22 |
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| SotK | ah yeah, it depends on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335458/ now | 15:23 |
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| ttx | anteaya: basically this is saying that there is no single "priority" valid for everyone. We can use custom lists to express that | 15:23 |
| ttx | and sort them to express local priority | 15:23 |
| anteaya | ttx: is this helpful for you? | 15:24 |
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| ttx | anteaya: that was one of the design ideas around original StoryBoard. I wouldn't consider it a must-have personally, but it's hard to change down the line. | 15:24 |
| anteaya | ttx if you want this then that's fine | 15:24 |
| anteaya | I do note it will be difficult to share what you are looking at with others via a url, since you view is customized to you | 15:25 |
| anteaya | or I believe it will | 15:25 |
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| anteaya | necessitating the need for screenshots to share what you are looking at if you question it | 15:25 |
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| anteaya | but if that would help the release team, then okay | 15:26 |
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| ttx | anteaya: like I said, that was part of the original design ideas. Since then I'm not the primary customer though | 15:26 |
| ttx | so we may discover that most project teams are in love with flat priority | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | oh | 15:27 |
| ttx | and would rather keep that one displayed as well | 15:27 |
| anteaya | I haven't been soliciting opinions until after the api docs have examples | 15:27 |
| ttx | I still think it's sound design... but not 100% sure that helps in the "must-have before OpenStack migration" front | 15:27 |
| anteaya | since that is our biggest stumbling point via adoption for folks who use the api | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | yeah I don't know how to collect thoughts on this | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | as I am concerned finding a microcosim to discuss won't get any further than the api docs need expanding | 15:29 |
| anteaya | hence my priority to expand the api docs and _then_ collect opinions | 15:29 |
| anteaya | so I don't know what to say here | 15:29 |
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| SotK | it'll be easier to bring back flat priorities if people can't work without them, than to change to this model in future I believe | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | SotK: well as long as you are open to the idea that this feature may be requested to be reverted in future | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | until I can get the api docs finished so they are usable and get some feedback from folks, I simply don't know | 15:31 |
| anteaya | on that note I am hoping to get 80% of the api doc examples in place by the end of the week | 15:32 |
| anteaya | there are some commands I can't run as I am not admin, I'm grateful for admin help on those patches so I can include the correct commands | 15:33 |
| anteaya | and thank you for reviews | 15:33 |
| anteaya | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:expand-api-docs | 15:33 |
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| * SotK will look at the project commands today too | 15:34 | |
| anteaya | thanks so much | 15:34 |
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| anteaya | I'll respin the tasks patch after the meeting | 15:34 |
| SotK | thanks :) | 15:35 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:35 |
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| SotK | I think that's all the in progress stuff I'm sure of the status of | 15:36 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | that's all I had | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | from what little feedback I have been hearing I think folks that have been looking at storyboard recently are really happy | 15:36 |
| anteaya | I think the gerrit integration really helps a lot, I think zaro is still away | 15:37 |
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| SotK | that is good news :) | 15:37 |
| anteaya | I'll talk to him once he returns and see where we are, it is possible that a puppet run overwrote his manual configuration of the plugin on review-dev | 15:37 |
| anteaya | thanks, yes I am encouraged | 15:38 |
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| anteaya | so right now gerrit integration on dev server might not be working, I haven't tested it myself though | 15:38 |
| anteaya | that's all I have for open discussion | 15:39 |
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| SotK | hopefully when zaro returns we can get the puppetry for it merged | 15:40 |
| anteaya | that also would be awesome | 15:40 |
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| SotK | anyone got anything else? | 15:45 |
| anteaya | I have nothing else | 15:45 |
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| SotK | I shall end the meeting then, thanks for coming folks! | 15:47 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 15:47:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-07-06-15.04.html | 15:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-07-06-15.04.txt | 15:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-07-06-15.04.log.html | 15:47 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 16:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Hello | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Hello. | 16:00 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| sheel | hi | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| mtanino | hi/ | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| adrianofr | hey | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Just in case... | 16:00 |
| thrawn01 | o/ | 16:00 |
| wilson-l | hi | 16:00 |
| yuriy_n17 | hi | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #chair jungleboyj | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jungleboyj smcginnis | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #chair xyang1 | 16:00 |
| rdxnoam | קךךם | 16:00 |
| rdxnoam | hello | 16:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jungleboyj smcginnis xyang1 | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: What does that mean? | 16:01 |
| savihou | Hello | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: why so many chairs?:) | 16:01 |
| jseiler | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:01 |
| Swanson | Too many cooks. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj, xyang1: In case my internet connection goes out, just wanted to add someone else to be able to at least stop the meeting. :) | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | ok:) | 16:01 |
| erlon | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Gotcha. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Same stuff. Please take a look at the review focus etherpad. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | I've checked on the new drivers and divided them between the ones with CI reporting and the ones without. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Really kind of a surprising number of them in total. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review tracking | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Midcycle planning | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Please add topics to the midcycle planning etherpad. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #undo | 16:04 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x7f2b35e89fd0> | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cinder-midcycle Midcycle planning | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | correct one :) ^^ | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | OK, that's all I have for announcements. | 16:04 |
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| rdxnoam | smcginnis: Hi, I don't see my company (reduxio) in your list - though we've commited a patch (driver) and are in the process of setting up the CI | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | rdxnoam: OK, I must have missed that. Please add a link to the driver list. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #topic Config categorization | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/520980 Proposal | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | thrawn01: Hi | 16:05 |
| thrawn01 | o/ | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | thrawn01: So this is something nova has done? | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Or rather, is doing. | 16:06 |
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| thrawn01 | yes, part of this is in progress | 16:06 |
| thingee | link to previous review or something? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295543/9/specs/categorized-configuration-options.rst Nova spec | 16:07 |
| thrawn01 | some of it is still waiting on oslo patches | 16:07 |
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| eharney | i suspect this is problematic until we also sort out the handling of [DEFAULT] vs backend sections issues we've been discussing recently | 16:07 |
| thingee | smcginnis, thrawn01 is there actually code progress review link within nova? | 16:07 |
| thingee | actual* | 16:07 |
| thingee | besides the spec | 16:08 |
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| thingee | eharney: +1 | 16:08 |
| thrawn01 | there are several moving parts to this spec | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: +1 ... | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | thrawn01: So it would be changes in oslo_config that would then require changes in each project? | 16:08 |
| geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:08 |
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| thingee | smcginnis, thrawn01 is there actually code progress review link within nova? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Can we figure out what we want to do there with this in mind and then tackle this? | 16:08 |
| xyang1 | eharney: seems overlapping with patrickeast's work | 16:08 |
| geguileo | The reorder of the sample file is a feature that should be added to oslo | 16:09 |
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| jungleboyj | I think our config options need a lot of care and feeding. Going to need to do it little by little though. | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: +1 | 16:09 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:09 |
| thrawn01 | thingee: I'm looking for the centralize config patch, which I think is already merged, but I'mn not great at finding this stuff | 16:09 |
| diablo_rojo | geguileo: +1 | 16:09 |
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| dulek | thrawn01: Is that one of the patches centralizing configs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258984/ ? | 16:09 |
| thingee | thrawn01: ok, if you're familiar with the code, maybe git blame would help | 16:10 |
| thingee | just a sha or something to look at previous work would be great | 16:10 |
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| thrawn01 | lol, I don't have the nova code checked out =( | 16:10 |
| thingee | dulek: looks like a piece of it. thanks | 16:11 |
| dulek | So IMO that's cool refactoring, but not a number one priority. | 16:11 |
| thingee | someone mentioned patrickeast is doing something similar? | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | thrawn01: I think some of this looks interesting. I would want to wait until the oslo changes. | 16:12 |
| dulek | Definitely we can benefit in looking through configuration options to see if we haven't any that don't make sense anymore. | 16:12 |
| thingee | xyang1: ^? | 16:12 |
| dulek | Option descriptions also need some care. | 16:12 |
| xyang1 | thingee: patrickeast is doing something with default group | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | dulek: All good points. | 16:12 |
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| diablo_rojo | dulek: +1 | 16:12 |
| xyang1 | patrickeast: around? | 16:12 |
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| geguileo | thingee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330767/ | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:12 |
| thingee | geguileo: thank you thank you | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Good for the Oslo work to get in first. | 16:13 |
| dulek | "Adopt Option Groups IE: 'common', 'driver', 'volume', 'solidfire'" - that's probably related to eharney's deprecation of not using enabled_backends. | 16:13 |
| rdxnoam | smcginnis: Added the reduxio driver to the list as you requested. I have some questions on the process of final approval. Please ping me when you're ready as i don't want to interrupt the meeting flow | 16:13 |
| thrawn01 | dulek: I think it's very similar, I don't really see option groups as a priority, just wanted some dissucsion around it | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | rdxnoam: Sure, will follow up later. | 16:13 |
| thingee | so glancing at the two different proposals it seems like patrickeast's is more focused on shared configs between backends | 16:14 |
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| winston-d | thrawn01: I found this particular interesting and seems useful from deployer point of view: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+spec/option-interdependencies | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | thrawn01: Thanks for bringing it up. It helps that we are aware of the effort. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | winston-d: Oh, good one. I hadn't seen that. | 16:14 |
| thingee | xyang1: not sure if they actually conflict. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | thrawn01: Thanks for making us aware. :-) Good to be able to plan ahead. | 16:15 |
| thingee | xyang1: thrawn01's proposal seems to be share configs with respect to projects | 16:15 |
| thingee | am I understanding that right thrawn01 ? | 16:15 |
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| thrawn01 | not really *sharing* config options, mostly the organization of said options. | 16:15 |
| xyang1 | thingee: sure, I am just saying they are related | 16:16 |
| winston-d | smcginnis: unfortunately, that blueprint is marked as obsolete 'Obsolete: We just use "related options:" in the normal help text' | 16:16 |
| thingee | xyang1: got it | 16:16 |
| thrawn01 | the goal being, better orginzation and descriptions of options, and presentation of options to end users | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | winston-d: Yeah, noticed that after reading through. | 16:16 |
| thingee | yeah I'm board. agree with the dependencies on the oslo side maybe cuttin' it close | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | thrawn01: I like that as the end goal. | 16:16 |
| thingee | I'm on board* | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | thingee: And bored? :P | 16:17 |
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| thrawn01 | lol | 16:17 |
| thingee | especially if there's no code yet on the cinder side produced to depend on the oslo stuff | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | thrawn01: Cool, anything else on this for now? | 16:17 |
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| winston-d | I'm on board as well, but 'better orginzation and descriptions' is very high level goal and I'm wondering how we can technically achieve that | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | I think tackling the backend vs default issues is the higher priority right now. | 16:18 |
| thrawn01 | maybe a priority of what I should focus on, out of the changes I was proposing. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Agree | 16:18 |
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| winston-d | instead of depending on developers to be good with docs. | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | winston-d: We know that's never going to happen. :) | 16:18 |
| thrawn01 | I'm refering to these proposals http://paste.openstack.org/show/520980/ | 16:18 |
| thrawn01 | someone had mentioned _class options where planned for removal? | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | thrawn01: Not aware of that. Could be. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | thrawn01: Is the oslo deprecated thing new? | 16:20 |
| thrawn01 | yes | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | thrawn01: That one may be a good target to start with if it's available. | 16:21 |
| winston-d | thrawn01: 'Prosoed change' session of the spec here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295543/9/specs/categorized-configuration-options.rst | 16:21 |
| thrawn01 | k, will do, I'll wait on the other items. | 16:21 |
| winston-d | thrawn01: i see only 1st bullet item is a technically achieveable goal. | 16:22 |
| winston-d | the rest looks like still relies on people | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | thrawn01: Anything else to discuss here for now? | 16:23 |
| thrawn01 | no, I'm good thanks all for the feedback | 16:23 |
| winston-d | thrawn01: we can discuss offline, of course. | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | thrawn01: OK, thanks for raising it. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | #topic Migrate volume between backends in an async way | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | wilson-l: Hi, you're up. | 16:23 |
| thrawn01 | winston-d: thanks, I would like to pick your brain on "Improving the sample file" but thats about it | 16:23 |
| wilson-l | hi :-) | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312853/ Spec | 16:24 |
| wilson-l | I have commit a patch for proof-of-concept: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334923/ | 16:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | thrawn01: I have done some work with improving the sample file as well if you wanted to chat about it. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334923 Proof of concept | 16:24 |
| wilson-l | not a full-blown patch, just a proof-of-concept | 16:24 |
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| thrawn01 | diablo_rojo: awesome | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | wilson-l: I need to read through the latest rev of the spec. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | wilson-l: Are there any points you wanted to specifically discuss here? | 16:26 |
| wilson-l | not really much:-) | 16:26 |
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| wilson-l | maybe we can revisit it again | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | wilson-l: OK, just raising awareness then. Since this has an impact on backends - driver maintainers, it's probably worth your time to review and see what this will mean to you. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | wilson-l: OK, thank you. | 16:27 |
| hemna | wilson-l, do we have a spec ? | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: There is one out there. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | heman: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312853/ | 16:28 |
| wilson-l | we have discussed the spec ago | 16:28 |
| hemna | sweet | 16:28 |
| hemna | thnx | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | hemna: ^^ oops | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | Any other topics? | 16:28 |
| hemna | this sounds like something like the old c-data service discussion could solve | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: That topic does keep coming up. | 16:29 |
| hemna | yup | 16:29 |
| hemna | we really could use it for lots of stuffs | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I think if a backend can handle it effeciently then that should be the first place. | 16:29 |
| * dulek think that he actually never been part of that. Just heard stories… | 16:29 | |
| smcginnis | hemna: But having a data service to handle things like this could be good. | 16:29 |
| hemna | yah I think so | 16:29 |
| thingee | smcginnis: is that on the topic for midcycle? | 16:30 |
| hemna | man, if only I had a job, I would love to take that on | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | dulek: I think it's probably been a year or so since it was last discussed. | 16:30 |
| winston-d | Does manila actual have something like c-data? | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Yeah, that discussion as been dead for a while. :-( | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Not sure, but it probably should be. | 16:30 |
| xyang1 | winston-d: yes, bur that is a generic solution | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | Right before we discuss taskflow again. :D | 16:30 |
| xyang1 | the proposal here is driver specific, not generic | 16:30 |
| * jungleboyj runs away from smcginnis screaming .... | 16:31 | |
| erlon | winston-d: manila uses c-data for migration, I think since, Mitaka | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:31 |
| * dulek starts to feel good about joining mid-cycle only remotely… ;) | 16:31 | |
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| winston-d | xyang1: right, wilson's proposal is driver specific but since hemna brought up c-data, that was supposed to be generic. | 16:31 |
| sheel | :) | 16:31 |
| diablo_rojo | dulek: Lol :) | 16:31 |
| xyang1 | winston-d: sure, that will be different from wilson's | 16:32 |
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| winston-d | xyang1: yeah. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | Added to the etherpad for the midcycle. | 16:32 |
| mtanino | dulek: ;) | 16:32 |
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| sheel | đź‘Ť | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | dulek: No fair muting us to avoid the fun. | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else? | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks eveyone. | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks :) | 16:34 |
| xyang1 | thanks | 16:34 |
| winston-d | thx! | 16:34 |
| wilson-l | thanks | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:34 |
| geguileo | Thanks | 16:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 16:34:30 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-07-06-16.00.html | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-07-06-16.00.txt | 16:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-07-06-16.00.log.html | 16:34 |
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| jlvillal | #start_meeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 17:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | Hello everyone | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | As always the agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | I don't have any announcements this week | 17:01 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | Anyone have anything to announce? | 17:01 |
| rajinir | o/ | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | #topic Multi-node Grenade | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Multi-node Grenade (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:02 | |
| jlvillal | #info Whiteboard with current status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | #info vsainko has proposed some devstack patches: https://review.openstack.org/334382 | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | #info Trying to get multi-node to work with Ironic first. Then do Grenade. | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | Any questions? | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | I will be testing it this week. | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | It would be great to have other people involved :) | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Grenade testing for Ironic Inspector | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | Is there anyone here to talk about it? | 17:05 |
| vdrok | I think it's done | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | Thanks. I think I will delete this agenda item. Since the person working on it doesn't seem to show up. Plus if it is done, no need to talk about it. | 17:06 |
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| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI (krtaylor) | 17:06 |
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| jlvillal | I don't think krtaylor is here today. | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | Any updates from anyone? | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | #topic Open Discussion | 17:08 |
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| jlvillal | Anyone? | 17:08 |
| vdrok | vsaienko is out, so I'll proxy his question here | 17:08 |
| vdrok | it's possible to run tempest several times on different configurations of ironic in a single job | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | vdrok, What question? | 17:09 |
| vdrok | do we want to do this to save some time on setting up devstack? | 17:09 |
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| vdrok | like, run the tests on coreos, then switch to tinyipa and run again | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | vdrok, Sounds like a good plan to me. If we can save time. | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | vdrok, I know JayF was working on gate improvements too. | 17:10 |
| vdrok | changes to project-config would be minimal | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | At least I think he was. | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | But speeding up the gate sounds good to me. Though the grenade job is slow and not sure how to speed that up. | 17:10 |
| vdrok | yeah, I think it can be useful, but we need to think about which configs to test combined, they should be somehow similar :) | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | vdrok: But maybe we have fewer jobs that run longer. But not as long as grenade? | 17:11 |
| vdrok | otherwise debugging can become hard | 17:11 |
| vdrok | jlvillal: I think we can run tempest 2 times for sure while grenade is running :) | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | Yeah, the debugging I do worry about. How easy will it be to know what stage we are in. | 17:11 |
| rajinir | On the similar thought, can we reuse the devstack setup for different hardware nodes in a single build? | 17:11 |
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| vdrok | jlvillal: the idea is to continue if first run fails of course | 17:12 |
| vdrok | and accumulate the errors | 17:12 |
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| vdrok | rajinir: we're talking about the gate, no hw there :) | 17:12 |
| vdrok | but it's possible to change nodes driver too | 17:13 |
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| jlvillal | vdrok, Sounds good. But for debugging. Make sure we can easily tell which part of the tempest steps we are in. For example, knowing we are in tinyipa vs coreos. Etc... | 17:13 |
| vdrok | ++ | 17:13 |
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| jlvillal | I think it sounds interesting. The main benefit I would see is just fewer jobs, but they run longer. Not sure if that is a big benefit or not... | 17:13 |
| rajinir | vdrok: Could be hard to to separate the logs if one of them failed and one passes | 17:14 |
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| rajinir | vdrok: How much time does this save? | 17:14 |
| vdrok | rajinir: yeah, but in this case we have some freedom as the script doing reconfiguration will be in our repo | 17:14 |
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| vdrok | so we can print whatever we want to console/some logs | 17:15 |
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| vdrok | I think the devstack setup takes ~20 minutes | 17:15 |
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| vdrok | so maybe 15 minutes if we combine 2 jobs and reconfig does not take too much time | 17:16 |
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| rajinir | vdrok: +1 anything to save the time | 17:16 |
| vdrok | it can, if we eg decide to completely recerate all the vms | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | vdrok, Sounds interesting. Maybe a proof-of-concept would be good. | 17:16 |
| vdrok | yup | 17:16 |
| vdrok | nothing else from me :) | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | #info vdrok and vsaienko are exploring idea of running tempest multiple times, so can reuse the devstack setup in the gate. Might be able to reduce the number of gate jobs. | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | Anything else from anyone? | 17:17 |
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| jlvillal | Okay, thanks everyone. | 17:18 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 17:18:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-07-06-17.00.html | 17:18 |
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| Sam-I-Am | is there a docs meeting today? | 19:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | or did i somehow get off schedule | 19:02 |
| strigazi | I think so | 19:02 |
| DevonBoatwright | No. It's today | 19:02 |
| DevonBoatwright | Shilla needs to start the meeting | 19:02 |
| DevonBoatwright | I can run it but I can't start ut | 19:02 |
| vhoward | sup | 19:02 |
| DevonBoatwright | it | 19:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hmm, i dont see her | 19:02 |
| rosmaita | DevonBoatwright: are you sure you can't start it? | 19:03 |
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| DevonBoatwright | No. She had another meeting... but was going to sign in and start it | 19:03 |
| DevonBoatwright | Hang on.. let me see | 19:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think anyone can start it | 19:03 |
| DevonBoatwright | #startmeeting | 19:03 |
| rcaballeromx | Ok. | 19:03 |
| openstack | DevonBoatwright: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 19:03 |
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| DevonBoatwright | No... I run the arch guide meeting and had to be made a moderator or something | 19:03 |
| DevonBoatwright | #startmeeting DocTeamMeeting | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 19:03:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DevonBoatwright. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: DocTeamMeeting)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteammeeting' | 19:03 |
| DevonBoatwright | OH YEA! | 19:03 |
| rosmaita | there you go! | 19:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think its called 'docteam' | 19:04 |
| DevonBoatwright | Did I give it the correct name? | 19:04 |
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| rosmaita | works for me | 19:04 |
| DevonBoatwright | Yea. I hope it saves the logs in the correct place. Want me to end and restart? | 19:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 19:04 |
| DevonBoatwright | ok | 19:04 |
| DevonBoatwright | #endmeeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 19:04:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2016/docteammeeting.2016-07-06-19.03.html | 19:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2016/docteammeeting.2016-07-06-19.03.txt | 19:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteammeeting/2016/docteammeeting.2016-07-06-19.03.log.html | 19:04 |
| DevonBoatwright | #startmeeting docteam | 19:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 19:05:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is DevonBoatwright. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 19:05 |
| Sam-I-Am | yay | 19:05 |
| strigazi | Is there an agenda? | 19:06 |
| rcaballeromx | Hello everyone. | 19:06 |
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| DevonBoatwright | Yes... | 19:06 |
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| DevonBoatwright | #topic action items from last meeting | 19:06 |
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| DevonBoatwright | Do we have anything to revisit from the last meeting? | 19:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | probably have to look at the meeting log if no one wrote them down in the agenda | 19:08 |
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| DevonBoatwright | I am looking at it right now. Playing catch up. heh | 19:08 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 19:09 |
| DevonBoatwright | So it kind of looks like this is the same agenda from last meeting | 19:10 |
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| DevonBoatwright | Yep. It's the same agenda. How should we proceed | 19:10 |
| vhoward | hey nate | 19:10 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hi guys | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | sorry im late | 19:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | hi | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | hda another meeting that was overlapping with this one, that happened to end early :) | 19:11 |
| rcaballeromx | Hi | 19:11 |
| DevonBoatwright | So, Shilla, the agenda has not been updated? | 19:11 |
| DevonBoatwright | IT's the same meeting agenda as last week | 19:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | theres an APAC meeting which was last week | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | this is the US version | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | we meet bi-weekly | 19:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | same agenda typically for both meetings | 19:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 19:12 |
| DevonBoatwright | ok. Well, the topic right now is action items from the last meeting | 19:12 |
| DevonBoatwright | Yea. | 19:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | there were no action items from the last meeting | 19:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | unless i am missing anything | 19:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | from the APAC meeting, Lana was to e-mail CPLs about install guide participation | 19:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | that was done | 19:14 |
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| ShillaSaebi | I am not sure how the outcome went | 19:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | heh, that'll be interesting | 19:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | :) | 19:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok #topic Specs in review | 19:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 19:15 |
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| rcaballeromx | Any questions regarding the UI guidelines spec? | 19:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | not fro mme | 19:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | not from me* | 19:16 |
| rcaballeromx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337202/5/specs/newton/ui-guidelines.rst | 19:17 |
| rcaballeromx | Alexandra and I are working on it. | 19:17 |
| rcaballeromx | If you have any suggestions please let us know. | 19:17 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok will do | 19:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank yo u! | 19:18 |
| rcaballeromx | NP | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Speciality teams | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 19:18 |
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| ShillaSaebi | please take a look at the specialty team reports | 19:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | nothing much from networking. i was on vacation for 2 weeks. | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | if you lead/organize one of the specialty teams, feel free to update here | 19:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | trying to get caught up... and its not too much fun | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | i can imagine | 19:18 |
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| ShillaSaebi | you must have a million emials | 19:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | emails* gah whats wrong with my spelling today, typing too fast i guess | 19:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, close to a million | 19:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm at #7 | 19:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | i can imagine | 19:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | good luck catching up | 19:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | that sounds like fun! | 19:19 |
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| ShillaSaebi | on the operations/arch guide front, we are looking for more architects and operators to help with these guides | 19:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | we've tried the ML | 19:19 |
| DevonBoatwright | We've joined a couple teams to try to recruit but not much luck on that front | 19:20 |
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| rcaballeromx | The UX personas content should be complete by EoW. I was interrupted by a higher priority but that is done now. | 19:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | we are not having members of thespecialty team join various operator meetings to try to get some help | 19:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 19:20 |
| DevonBoatwright | not.. or now? | 19:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'd bet now | 19:22 |
| DevonBoatwright | I think she means we are now joining meetings.. because we have joined meetings. lol | 19:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | was that question directed for me | 19:22 |
| rcaballeromx | Yes. | 19:22 |
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| DevonBoatwright | YEa | 19:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | oh sorry, now | 19:23 |
| DevonBoatwright | lol. :) | 19:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Countdown to release | 19:23 |
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| ShillaSaebi | â—¦ #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20161006T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Newton+Launch+Date&font=slab | 19:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | 91 days | 19:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 19:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything on that? | 19:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | not here | 19:25 |
| rcaballeromx | ditto | 19:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | mmkay | 19:25 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Open discussion | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | Forgot to ask what happened with the HA-Guide M | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | e-mail you sent out? | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | @Sam-I-Am | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-June/008733.html | 19:26 |
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| * Sam-I-Am looks | 19:27 | |
| Sam-I-Am | no one responded to it | 19:27 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah and i noticed the last time the specialty team update was provided was back in March | 19:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | it's been a while | 19:28 |
| rcaballeromx | Can we discuss switching from 'code-block:: console' to 'prompt:: bash #' ? | 19:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | maybe... | 19:29 |
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| ShillaSaebi | sure let me just provide a quick update back on the HA-guide topic | 19:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | at the APAC meeting, after looking at the logs again, it looks like Lana was to ask Bogdan about killing the HA guide | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | and then maybe incorporating it into the ops guide | 19:30 |
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| ShillaSaebi | "in the meantime, we might do what Matt said and mark it as deprecated" | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | so thats a start | 19:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool | 19:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok so switching from 'code-block:: console' to 'prompt:: bash #' ? | 19:31 |
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| rcaballeromx | I really like the way promp works but it does involve a ton of work. | 19:32 |
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| rcaballeromx | Any thoughts? | 19:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | i would recommend starting a thread on the docs ML on this | 19:32 |
| rcaballeromx | There is. | 19:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | isnt there a discussion thread now? | 19:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | oh can you send me the link | 19:33 |
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| ShillaSaebi | i must have missed that one | 19:33 |
| rcaballeromx | Better way to display shell commands | 19:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | what was most of the consensus | 19:33 |
| * rcaballeromx looking for the link... | 19:33 | |
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| rcaballeromx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-July/008808.html | 19:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | pranav gave a reason for not using it (yet) | 19:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | but other than that, it seems like a good idea | 19:35 |
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| rcaballeromx | I agree with Pranav. The change is more convinient than necessary. | 19:36 |
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| rcaballeromx | I am just doubtful that it is the best use of our time. | 19:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | my only concern would be installing the extension | 19:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | i haven't caught up on all the emials yet though | 19:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | but if we have that part down then i am not opposed to it at alll | 19:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | right like if its low prio | 19:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | there are definitely higher prio items | 19:38 |
| rcaballeromx | I see we are all of a similar opinion then. | 19:38 |
| rcaballeromx | Thank you! | 19:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah i mean if we have the time/resources that are willing to help then i don't have a prob w/it | 19:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | :) | 19:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | yep | 19:39 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 19:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | going once | 19:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | going twice | 19:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | well | 19:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | sort of | 19:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | go for it | 19:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | some meetings ago, i brought up the fact that we're seeing fewer and fewer docs contributions from projects... and the big tent isnt exactly helping | 19:41 |
| strigazi | some do :) | 19:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, yeah :) | 19:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | but many dont. most don't. | 19:42 |
| dustins | And some wait until the very end of a cycle | 19:42 |
| dustins | (not that it's right, mind you :) ) | 19:42 |
| rosmaita | a lot of docs have been moved in-tree to the projects, though | 19:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | some smaller projects lack the resources... but i'm mainly concerned about the large, long-standing projects | 19:43 |
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| rcaballeromx | Are specific docs people assigned to each project? | 19:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | rosmaita: yeah, that might help further reduce the barriers to contributions | 19:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | no, there arent enough docs people to do 1:1 | 19:43 |
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| rcaballeromx | I meant for the 13 core projects. | 19:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so thats sort of what i have in mind... move more docs into the project repos, and then provide services for those projects either helping review docs, or going in and fixing them.... then we use docs.openstack.org as a way to tie them all together into something coherent | 19:44 |
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| rcaballeromx | I fully agree! | 19:45 |
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| strigazi | +1 | 19:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | it would sort of be an opt in/out thing, but it does not allow 'no docs' | 19:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | which seems to be the problem now | 19:45 |
| rcaballeromx | They could rally devs and enforce quality and consistency of content. | 19:45 |
| rosmaita | +1 | 19:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think we'll have a lot more consistency/quality maintenance to do... it depends on the project, the dev, etc. | 19:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | a lot of stuff in the devrefs is... bad. | 19:46 |
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| rcaballeromx | We should also create clear guidelines of what is acceptable vs. what's not. | 19:46 |
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| rcaballeromx | You can count me in on that effort. | 19:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | unfortunately, i think all of our conventions scare a lot of devs away | 19:46 |
| rcaballeromx | They would not have to deal with them. The doc person of the project would. | 19:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | so it would be more like devs contributing technically accurate content, then either going the extra mile to make it look nice, or asking docs to help | 19:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i brought this up with the nova ptl and he'd like to bring it up at his mid-cycle... sort of test the waters | 19:48 |
| rcaballeromx | +1 | 19:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | we might also want to get sean dague on board when he returns... someone who is generally good at pushing new ideas | 19:48 |
| rcaballeromx | We can provide devs with templates, and try to avoid flooding them with conventions. | 19:49 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, stuff like that is where we'd really fit in | 19:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems like the api ref movement to project repos is getting a lot of attention | 19:49 |
| rosmaita | well, speaking for glance, that would be really helpful (templates and reviews) | 19:49 |
| rosmaita | the api-ref will need a good look-over for consistency with other projects | 19:50 |
| rcaballeromx | IMO we should not be creating the content, just reviewing it and providing devs with tools for them to create it. | 19:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | ^ this | 19:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | openstack has gotten too big for the docs team to write content | 19:50 |
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| Sam-I-Am | unless we also happen to be involved with a project (like me and neutron) | 19:50 |
| rcaballeromx | Even then I bet it is very challenging and a lot of work. | 19:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so... dev contributes content, tags some sort of docs liaison in the review (or the docs team tracks patches with some sort of tag in the commit message) .... go. | 19:51 |
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| rcaballeromx | Devs should tag the project's doc maintainer. | 19:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'll probably throw something on the dev ML here in a couple days | 19:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | fire up some discussion | 19:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | just figured i'd toss it out here | 19:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | (so maybe i'm not nuts)_ | 19:52 |
| rcaballeromx | Copy me, please. | 19:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | rcaballeromx: are you on the dev ml? | 19:52 |
| rcaballeromx | I can be in a minute. :) | 19:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool. it'll be a couple days before i fire it off - still buried from vacation | 19:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats it from me! | 19:53 |
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| * rcaballeromx has nothing more to add. | 19:53 | |
| DevonBoatwright | Anything else ot bring up? | 19:54 |
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| rosmaita | is there any kind of style guide specificlly for the api-ref ? | 19:54 |
| rosmaita | i know some people are developing sphinx stanzas for it, was wondering where that's being tracked | 19:55 |
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| DevonBoatwright | Does anyone know? I'm not sure. | 19:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, there is somewhere | 19:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | you might want to ask anne gentle | 19:56 |
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| rosmaita | ok, thanks | 19:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | she's sort of been heading it up | 19:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's also a few projects implementing it like keystone, so check with steve martinelli | 19:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think neutron is too... and nova. | 19:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | sean dague might also be good | 19:57 |
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| DevonBoatwright | So we have 3 more minutes... | 19:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | aight, i gotta roll | 19:58 |
| rcaballeromx | Me too. | 19:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | good meeting, nice seeing more people here | 19:58 |
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| DevonBoatwright | OK. I think we'll wrap up then. Thanks for joining today everyone! | 19:58 |
| DevonBoatwright | Def a productive meeting. | 19:58 |
| DevonBoatwright | See you all next time! | 19:58 |
| DevonBoatwright | #endmeeting | 19:58 |
| rcaballeromx | Yes, see you! | 19:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 19:58:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-07-06-19.05.html | 19:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-07-06-19.05.txt | 19:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-07-06-19.05.log.html | 19:58 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 20:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krot_vaca_jul19. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' | 20:00 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Hello everyone, who made it? | 20:00 |
| mbonell | hi :) | 20:00 |
| uxdanielle | Hi there! | 20:00 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Woo, peoples! | 20:00 |
| rockyg | o/ | 20:00 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Many greetings from... uh... "Sunny" scotland. | 20:00 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | (For very, very broad definitions of "Sunny") | 20:00 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Agenda: | 20:01 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_July_6_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 20:01 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | #topic Logistics | 20:01 |
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| craigs | HI | 20:01 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Looks like we're successfully holding this meeting, so item one is done. | 20:01 |
| docaedo | o/ | 20:01 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Does anyone konw if notmars is planning on joining us? | 20:02 |
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| calebb | o/ | 20:02 |
| Patifa | o/ | 20:02 |
| mbonell | not sure | 20:02 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Alright, we'll ask him later. | 20:03 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | It looks like the "What is an app" discussion has died down, does anyone have any last words they'd like to get in before Patifa summarizes everything and comes up with a final draft? | 20:03 |
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| Patifa | flanders last email kinda summarizes the conversation. right? | 20:04 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | It really does | 20:04 |
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| Patifa | lets just give it another week to see if anyone adds to it. | 20:06 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Patifa: Works for me. Frankly, I'd be happy to stick with flanders' summary. | 20:06 |
| Patifa | Me too.. ;) | 20:06 |
| mbonell | where will be it published? in our wiki? | 20:07 |
| mbonell | What is an app - discussion | 20:07 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | However, I'm not really ok pushing this out another week. The topic needs to be settled so we don't get distracted. | 20:07 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | However, we haven't really clearly communicated what the deadlines are on that topic. So how about someone (volunteer?) sends out an email saying: "We're closing this discussion in a week, drafting a final, and submitting that for approval". | 20:08 |
| Patifa | o/ | 20:08 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | mbonell: YEs, I expect it'll be on the wiki. | 20:08 |
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| mbonell | ok | 20:09 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | We have a volunteer! Any major disagreements on this before we move on? | 20:09 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | #action Patifa Send out email clearly communicating deadline and closure of "What is an app" discussion, and followup process for approval. | 20:09 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Ok, moving on. | 20:10 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | #topic FirstApp: jclouds | 20:10 |
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| Patifa | Deadlin monday? Before the meeting/ | 20:10 |
| Patifa | ? | 20:10 |
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| craigs | I don't have an update on jclouds or .NET | 20:11 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Patifa: I think so- use the meeting to introduce it to the group, then send us with homework to review it. | 20:11 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | craigs: Got it. Martin's going to be joining the converstaion next week, yes? | 20:11 |
| craigs | I did hear on php-opencloud and Jamie says he cannot support it | 20:11 |
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| craigs | Yes Martin said that he would start attending | 20:11 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | craigs: That's good to hear. | 20:12 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | (On php | 20:12 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Alright, let's see if we can get an update from him next week. | 20:13 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | #topic FirstApp: Shade | 20:13 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | mbonell: Looks like you're working on the scaling-out portion now? | 20:13 |
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| mbonell | yep, scaling out section is WIP | 20:13 |
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| mbonell | my goal is to complete shade by the end of july | 20:14 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | WOOHOO! | 20:14 |
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| mbonell | and then it will be ready for the go | 20:14 |
| mbonell | no more drafts :p | 20:14 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | :D | 20:14 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Excellent. | 20:14 |
| docaedo | mbonell: that's great! | 20:14 |
| calebb | what is left to be done for shade? | 20:14 |
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| mbonell | calebb: just validation, testing | 20:15 |
| mbonell | minior bugs | 20:15 |
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| calebb | ahhh, ok, I saw you had a issue on shade's storyboard about the object metadata thing, that's fixed on master, but hasnt been in a shade release yet | 20:16 |
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| mbonell | some TODOs | 20:16 |
| mbonell | yes, I was me :) | 20:16 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Sounds like you two have it well in hand. | 20:16 |
| mbonell | ;) | 20:17 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | ANything else before we move on? | 20:17 |
| Patifa | \o/ | 20:17 |
| mbonell | nop, let's move on | 20:17 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | #topic FirstApp: Fog | 20:17 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Sean? You here? | 20:17 |
| * krot_vaca_jul19 is guessing not. | 20:18 | |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Does anyone have an update form Sean? | 20:18 |
| mbonell | nop | 20:18 |
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| craigs | nope | 20:18 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Ok. | 20:19 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | #topic FirstApp: JavaScript | 20:19 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | No update from me, mostly because I've been on vacation and wasn't able to attend the meeting this morning. | 20:19 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | There's patches landing, I just have no idea what they are :) | 20:19 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Any questions? | 20:20 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Ok, moving on. | 20:21 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | #topic FirstApp: PHP | 20:21 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Jamie has said that he can't support it. Does anyone else have th etime to do this? | 20:21 |
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| * krot_vaca_jul19 listens to crickets. | 20:22 | |
| mbonell | hahaha | 20:22 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Ok, this brings up an interesting question. | 20:22 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | At what point do we abandon something, and what does abandoning an effort look like? | 20:22 |
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| Patifa | that is an interesting question. | 20:23 |
| craigs | Yeah don't know how | 20:23 |
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| docaedo | In this case I would say it's pretty clear there's little to no interest in continuing, but the effort would be "on hold" until a PHP developer steps forward to help | 20:24 |
| craigs | Just update the spreadsheet as on hold | 20:24 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | On hold? Or shall we remove it entirely? | 20:24 |
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| docaedo | is there a draft of the document in play anywhere? | 20:25 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224987/ | 20:26 |
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| rockyg | I think I'd put in "needs a volunteer" rather than on hold | 20:26 |
| docaedo | rockyg: that's better :) | 20:26 |
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| Patifa | paused - need a volunteer | 20:27 |
| mbonell | yes | 20:27 |
| craigs | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1449332 | 20:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1449332 in openstack-manuals "FirstApp: Add php-opencloud support" [Medium,Confirmed] | 20:27 |
| Patifa | because all the other need volunteers.. | 20:27 |
| Patifa | even the ones that are not on hold | 20:28 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Righto, that works for me. | 20:28 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Everyone ok with "Paused - need a volunteer"? | 20:28 |
| mbonell | +2 | 20:28 |
| rockyg | ++ | 20:29 |
| docaedo | maybe the foundation can sponsor an "doc bounty" and we offer some lovely gift to encourage more volunteers? | 20:29 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | I like bounties :) | 20:29 |
| mbonell | both links are in the spreadsheet? | 20:29 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | I don't see the bug link in the spreadsheet | 20:29 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18Zj2JU0jR4hy8y1HxFl30gTEGeqgBjc6hqv0ZAByVYo/edit#gid=0 | 20:30 |
| craigs | yep should add it | 20:30 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Now it is. | 20:30 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Ok, moving on | 20:30 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | #topic FirstApp: IOpenStack | 20:30 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | notmars is not here! | 20:30 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Moving on. | 20:31 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | #topic App Hackathon | 20:31 |
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| vhdiaz | o/ | 20:32 |
| vhdiaz | We have addressed the training schedule for October | 20:32 |
| mbonell | Aug | 20:33 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Woot! | 20:33 |
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| vhdiaz | :P thinking ahead in the summit ... | 20:33 |
| vhdiaz | Aug* | 20:33 |
| vhdiaz | there are pending items to define with the foundation to have budget support for couple of the trainers... | 20:33 |
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| vhdiaz | Open: I need to consult @notmars about the cloud for the event | 20:34 |
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| vhdiaz | at this time We have not received confirmation from OSIC if they will sponsor the cloud... | 20:34 |
| vhdiaz | so I am now chcking public cloud options... | 20:35 |
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| vhdiaz | We may need to pay for that :( | 20:35 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | vhdiaz: Is there no free-developer-instances program out there we can piggyback on? | 20:35 |
| vhdiaz | I don't think a free instance can support the main event | 20:36 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | vhdiaz: Alternatively, http://trystack.org/ | 20:36 |
| vhdiaz | We are looking for free instances for the training... | 20:36 |
| craigs | trystack is very limited in what it will give you for resources | 20:36 |
| rockyg | trystack? | 20:36 |
| vhdiaz | that is my point.. | 20:36 |
| mbonell | trystack is not an option | 20:36 |
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| vhdiaz | We will have 200 participants... my assumption is that We need a more robust solution | 20:37 |
| rockyg | we should try for att. They claim they have a solution;-) | 20:37 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | This seems like a pretty big problem that needs to be addressed quickly. | 20:38 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | I know I cannot rely on HPE for resources at this time, because politics. | 20:38 |
| rockyg | yeah, but it would be great press for any Public Cloud Provider to host it.... | 20:38 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | rockyg: Does huawei have anything they can offer? | 20:39 |
| vhdiaz | It will be a very public event | 20:39 |
| rockyg | Our cloud is in China :( | 20:39 |
| reed | vhdiaz, the question is 'how much public will it be'? | 20:39 |
| rockyg | I'll check around, though. | 20:39 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | rockyg: No cloud in that new research office in Belleveu? | 20:39 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | *bellevue | 20:39 |
| vhdiaz | This falls into the 'in kind cloud sponsorship" to public cloud providers... who can bring many more of their customer clients... to these public clouds | 20:40 |
| rockyg | Not yet. Well, so far as I know. I haven't even gotten 5 machines for a cloud here in Santa Clara R&D | 20:40 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | vhdiaz: You mentioned reaching out to notmars and Internap? | 20:40 |
| vhdiaz | yes | 20:40 |
| rockyg | I *will* send an email to those who supposedly can decide, though. | 20:40 |
| vhdiaz | OSIC and Internap | 20:40 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | rockyg: Thank you! :D | 20:41 |
| rockyg | Location is Guadalajara, right | 20:41 |
| vhdiaz | was ideal, in order to bring 'multi-cloud' experience | 20:41 |
| rockyg | ? | 20:41 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | This really seems like it's what OSIC was made for. | 20:41 |
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| vhdiaz | yes | 20:41 |
| mbonell | haha | 20:41 |
| reed | vhdiaz, what's the communication plan of the event? is there a way it can be made quite international? | 20:41 |
| rockyg | I'd ask what the connectivity is like to China, but......ahem | 20:41 |
| vhdiaz | :s | 20:41 |
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| reed | what's OSIC? | 20:42 |
| vhdiaz | the event is going to be in a big university | 20:42 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | #link https://osic.org/ | 20:42 |
| vhdiaz | I cannot answer the question.. but We can test ahead | 20:42 |
| vhdiaz | Open Stack Innovation Center | 20:42 |
| rockyg | There is actually a publick cloud provider in Queretaro, MX | 20:43 |
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| docaedo | I thought OSIC was about testing deployments at scale, so users of OSIC just get dedicated metal and have to deploy their own OpenStack cloud on the nodes they get? | 20:43 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | reed: Is DreamCompute an option? | 20:43 |
| vhdiaz | that is exactly right, that will be the next step <- contacing local providers... ask them if they want to participate, or pay them.. | 20:43 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | docaedo: There's an optino to have them install openstack for you? | 20:44 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | 15 minute warning | 20:44 |
| reed | krot_vaca_jul19, I am so swamped right now with things to do that I'm not sure it's worth the investment for me | 20:44 |
| * reed practice shamless honesty here | 20:44 | |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | reed: Understood. | 20:44 |
| docaedo | krot_vaca_jul19: oh nice! I did not know that (though some folks are coming to the OpenStack PDX meetup in a few weeks to tell us EVERYTHING about OSIC) | 20:44 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | reed: Is there someone else at DreamHost that we can pester? | 20:44 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | docaedo: Soooooo.... what you're saying is that you're oging to talk to OSIC people in PDX in a few weeks on vhdiaz's behalf? :D | 20:45 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | reed: (Trying every angle ;) ) | 20:45 |
| vhdiaz | :p | 20:45 |
| vhdiaz | That helps... | 20:45 |
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| rockyg | Also, Internap might be a good one to hit up..... | 20:45 |
| docaedo | hahaha I can send an email even sooner than that | 20:45 |
| vhdiaz | I am speaking to a few folks as well | 20:45 |
| vhdiaz | Internap is key | 20:46 |
| vhdiaz | that is why I need to speak to notmars | 20:46 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Ok then. vhdiaz- you've got plenty of contacts via this group already that you can take advantage of if Internap doesn't work out. | 20:46 |
| reed | krot_vaca_jul19, I am the best person here, i can make the decision but the problem is that I am going to be also the one that needs to extract value from the effort :) | 20:46 |
| reed | and if I don't have time to do the latter (get the value) the former makes no sense | 20:46 |
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| rockyg | so, my AI is to send an email after I get off this meeting. | 20:46 |
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| vhdiaz | thanks | 20:47 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | rockyg: Thanks! Keep vhdiaz in the loop. | 20:47 |
| rockyg | Will do. | 20:47 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Moving on. | 20:48 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | #topic Barcelona | 20:48 |
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| rockyg | expected number of hackers - 200. How many vm's of what size expected? | 20:48 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | So, just a quick summary of last week: Flanders wrote up a big proposal to the foundation right before last week's meeting, and we as yet have no update on that. | 20:49 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | He's also said that anything on a training track that he organizes is very likely not going ot be bound by the July 15th deadline, so we can relax on that. | 20:49 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | I'll keep bringing this topic up in the agenda so we can keep abreast of what's going on. | 20:49 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Any questions before we move on? | 20:50 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | 10 minute warning | 20:50 |
| rockyg | I think we will again need to line up the cloud providers sooner rather than later for that | 20:50 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | rockyg: True, but I expect that'll be a bit easier seeing as it's attached to the summit. | 20:51 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Also, we can make flanders do that :) | 20:51 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | #topic Hosted IRC: The Lounge | 20:51 |
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| rockyg | ++ | 20:51 |
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| docaedo | Hi! | 20:52 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Hi docaedo! | 20:52 |
| docaedo | not much progress this last week - the next action is for me to try to write the auth component | 20:52 |
| * krot_vaca_jul19 provided docaedo with a summary of the auth things that we need to support. | 20:52 | |
| docaedo | I did dig in some, and saw the auth flow for thelounge based on an LDAP auth piece that's merging soon | 20:52 |
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| docaedo | it's not super complicated but I've never written anything in JS ;) | 20:53 |
| docaedo | on action I have though: | 20:53 |
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| docaedo | #action Aedo to update "hosted IRC spec" to indicate authentication will be against openstack ID, with that code yet to be written | 20:53 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Excellent, thanks for the update. Any questions? | 20:54 |
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| docaedo | no, what you shared was useful, thanks | 20:54 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Alright! | 20:54 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | #topic Open Discussion | 20:54 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | uxdanielle needs note takers! | 20:54 |
| rockyg | docaedo, you might check with the refstack folks. They wrote a server that validates with OSID | 20:54 |
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| rockyg | Might be js | 20:55 |
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| uxdanielle | Yes! Interviews are happening (maybe as soon as tomorrow) and I just found out I'm not allowed to record the sessions ;) | 20:55 |
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| rockyg | ouch! | 20:55 |
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| docaedo | rockyg: I will, I know some of those fine people as we get our paystubs from the same person ;) | 20:55 |
| docaedo | rockyg: thanks for the pointer | 20:55 |
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| mbonell | qq, are we going to have a BoF session for Barcelona? | 20:55 |
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| rockyg | np! | 20:56 |
| rockyg | We should | 20:56 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | mbonell: Let's! Do we need to submit a proposal? | 20:56 |
| mbonell | yep | 20:56 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | uxdanielle: You can't record them? | 20:56 |
| Patifa | nope | 20:56 |
| uxdanielle | Nope, would need consent, and that's complicated :P | 20:57 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Oh. Hrm. | 20:57 |
| mbonell | :o | 20:57 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | It always gest annoyting when the lawyers get involved. | 20:57 |
| mbonell | patifa: for | 20:57 |
| uxdanielle | So anyone is welcome to join and write down what is said/what they think is important. I believe Patricia will collect email addresses and I'll send any interested parties the meeting invite as they are scheduled (5 sessions) | 20:57 |
| Patifa | so we need volunteers to take notes on the ehter pad | 20:57 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | uxdanielle, Patifa: I am interested, however I am also time constrained. | 20:57 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | mbonell: When does that proposal need to be submitted, by July 15th? | 20:58 |
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| Patifa | volunteers will have the chance to ask questions too, right uxdanielle | 20:58 |
| uxdanielle | That is correct! | 20:58 |
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| Patifa | and/or add comments to the notes. | 20:59 |
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| krot_vaca_jul19 | Ok, we're out of time. Outstanding discussion needs to go to the list. | 20:59 |
| Patifa | all that is required is that who ever listens to the interview helps take notes | 20:59 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Patifa: Definitely send me an invite then. | 20:59 |
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| rockyg | for BoF, 7/15 But, it doesn | 20:59 |
| rockyg | 't | 20:59 |
| docaedo | (times up) | 20:59 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | Thanks everyone! | 20:59 |
| Patifa | ok | 20:59 |
| rockyg | take much to write up the abstract for a BoF | 21:00 |
| krot_vaca_jul19 | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 21:00:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| mbonell | byes! | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-07-06-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-07-06-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-07-06-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| uxdanielle | Bye! :) | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 6 21:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| mmotiani | Hi | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:01 |
| torgomatic | probably that other guy is | 21:01 |
| kei_yama | o/ | 21:01 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:01 |
| pdardeau | o/ | 21:01 |
| aerwin3 | o/ | 21:01 |
| hosanai | o/ | 21:01 |
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| jrichli | here | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
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| sgundur1 | hi | 21:01 |
| acoles | here | 21:01 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone. welcome! | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | I've been out since friday, so I'm just catching up to everything that's going on :-) | 21:02 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | agenda for this week's meeting is | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic hackathon next week | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | next week is the swift hackathon in san antonio | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_SA_hackathon_2016 | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | there's the etherpad we're using to collect topics | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | like normal, we'll start off with collecting these and prioritizing them. I'll be bringing dot stickers again :-) | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | and, like always, it looks like there's a lot of great stuff to discuss | 21:04 |
| notmyname | logistic info for the hackathon is at | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-july-2016-hackathon-tickets-25913773795 | 21:04 |
| notmyname | and by now you should have your plane tickets and hotel booked | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | hurricanerix is taking care of us during the week | 21:05 |
| notmyname | any questions from anyone about hackathon logistics? | 21:05 |
| hurricanerix | Yes, if anybody needs anything please let me know. | 21:05 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: anything to add or any questions you need answered before we all show up? | 21:05 |
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| hurricanerix | Also if anybody requires a vegetarian lunch/dinner option, please let me know so I can coordinate it. | 21:06 |
| tdasilva | what's the best mode of transportation from airport to hotel? | 21:06 |
| hurricanerix | (preferably by the end of the meeting) | 21:06 |
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| mattoliverau | in texas.. | 21:06 |
| tdasilva | bus, train, uber? | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: I'm going to to uber | 21:06 |
| hurricanerix | tdasilva probably uber, | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | hurricanerix: what about the shuttle I've heard about? | 21:07 |
| hurricanerix | but the hotel isn't that far from the airport | 21:07 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau, hurricanerix, cool thanks! | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: if your staying the aloft, then they have a shuttle.. but I get in at aruond midnight. | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | no shuttle then | 21:07 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: oh, sorry. I was thinking about getting to RAX from the casle | 21:07 |
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| tdasilva | mattoliverau: shuttle from airport to hotel? | 21:07 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname the hotel runs a shuttle to rax | 21:07 |
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| hurricanerix | i think mattoliverau knows more about that than me though | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | yup, aloft shuttle can pick you up from airport | 21:07 |
| notmyname | http://www.aloftsanantonioairport.com/transportation | 21:08 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: thanks | 21:08 |
| cschwede | thx! | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | aloft shuttle can take you to many places for free, you just book/ask.. but they only go a certain radius. but airport and RAX are definite cause I've used them | 21:09 |
| notmyname | if someone has a vegetarian preference for meals, please speak up now in this meeting or ping hurricanerix privately (now). he needs a count for coordinating meals | 21:10 |
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| hurricanerix | Also, we will be taking everyone here Wed at 6PM, | 21:10 |
| hurricanerix | https://goo.gl/maps/fMKtZCzbVmM2 | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | cool | 21:10 |
| mathiasb | what time do we start on monday morning? 9am at RAX? | 21:11 |
| notmyname | mathiasb: yep! | 21:11 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: are you staying with us at the aloft for the week? | 21:11 |
| timburke | me gusta cocina mexicana! | 21:11 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname yes! | 21:11 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: I'm not seeing any calls for veg. preference in here, so I hope people are pinging you somewhere else | 21:12 |
| hurricanerix | If anybody needs/wants my contact info, PM me and I will send it to you. | 21:12 |
| pdardeau | if mahatic is coming, i think she's vegetarian | 21:13 |
| notmyname | she is. good call pdardeau | 21:13 |
| pdardeau | so are some of the OSIC folks (3 of them) | 21:13 |
| pdardeau | the ones not saying anything | 21:13 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:13 |
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| mattoliverau | lol, maybe they want BBQ and you ruined it :P | 21:14 |
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| mmotiani | hurricanerix: I am vegetarian :) | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | anything else on the hackathon from anyone? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | please continue to add stuff to the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_SA_hackathon_2016 | 21:15 |
| hurricanerix | pdardeau mmotiani thanks! | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | and if anything else comes up, please feel free to ping hurricanerix or myself | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | #topic crypto status | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | we've had this on the agenda for soooo long | 21:16 |
| notmyname | ...and it's done! | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:17 |
| notmyname | thank you, again, to acoles for coordinating the patch chain | 21:17 |
| notmyname | and everyone who wrote and reviewed the code | 21:17 |
| acoles | notmyname: it was...interesting ;) | 21:17 |
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| acoles | yes, thanks to all the reviewers! | 21:17 |
| notmyname | now that it's done, there's a feeling of "now what?" or "what's next?" | 21:18 |
| notmyname | for the rest of this week (before the hackathon), we need to look at the stuff that was on hold while we were waiting for crypto to land | 21:18 |
| notmyname | eg some of the small py3 things, the docs imports, the unicode bugs that came up. stuff like that | 21:19 |
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| timburke | and the various follow-ups that shook out of crypto review | 21:19 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:19 |
| notmyname | once we get those things taken care of (mostly I'm looking at the "needs final approval to land" section on the review dash, I'd like to cut a swift release | 21:20 |
| acoles | I noted some crypto "foloow-up" tasks on the trello board during review https://trello.com/b/63l5zQhq/swift-encryption (I may have missed some) | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | great | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | there's good stuff there | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | longer term, there's a few "big things" that are on the horizon. in no particular order they include... | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | golang work -> goal of improving replication and object server performance | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | container sharding | 21:22 |
| notmyname | storage tiering/migrations | 21:22 |
| notmyname | and of course there's all the "normal" bugs and features | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | next week, I'd like to talk about the prioritization of these and what we need to call them "done" | 21:24 |
| notmyname | I'm not sure exactly what that conversation will look like since we haven't ever done anything quite like that before, but I'm pretty sure we've done stuff like that with our respective employers before | 21:24 |
| notmyname | but there's plenty to do to keep us all busy for quite some time :-) | 21:25 |
| notmyname | any questions or thoughts on that right now? | 21:25 |
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| tdasilva | prioritization sounds like a positive thing to do, +1 to that :) | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: any update on the searchlight integration? | 21:26 |
| tdasilva | is all being done by the searchlight team? | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | good question. I don't have anything at the moment, although I know timur here at swiftstack has done some level of work | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:28 |
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| timburke | might be worth pinging timur in #openstack-swift later | 21:28 |
| notmyname | cschwede: any updates on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304465/ or https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323950/ | 21:28 |
| patchbot | notmyname: patch 304465 - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Use subnodes for Swift storage nodes in a multinod... | 21:28 |
| patchbot | notmyname: patch 323950 - swift - Refactor locale tests and fix unicode issue | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | timburke: will do | 21:28 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: clayg had a look into the unicode issue | 21:29 |
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| cschwede | no update on the other one (subnode testing) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:29 |
| notmyname | now that crypto's done, I'll try to follow up more with it | 21:29 |
| cschwede | probably need to discuss the unicode thing next week, seems to be a larger hidden issue... | 21:30 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:30 |
| cschwede | related to logging | 21:30 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ok. let's call it early this week | 21:30 |
| tdasilva | I've been adding some thoughts on symlinks here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_symlinks it would be great to get the opinion of others... | 21:30 |
| notmyname | looking forward to seeing you next week in san antonio | 21:31 |
| acoles | cschwede: I found some more places late today where I think we could get unicode errors :/ I may push a dependent review to your patch with some tests | 21:31 |
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| jrichli | tdasilva: great. i can take a look | 21:31 |
| timburke | don't forget to give swiftclient some love! there was a message on the dev mailing list that led to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335615/ | 21:31 |
| patchbot | timburke: patch 335615 - python-swiftclient - Fix unicode issues in tempurl command | 21:31 |
| * notmyname needs to go afk for just a bit, so will go ahead and close the meeting. feel free to keep discussing | 21:31 | |
| cschwede | acoles: thx! yeah, i think there are more spots… | 21:31 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 6 21:32:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-07-06-21.00.html | 21:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-07-06-21.00.txt | 21:32 |
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