Thursday, 2016-05-12

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thinrichscourtesy ping: ramineni, ekcs, masahito00:01
ramineni_hi00:01
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:01
openstackMeeting started Thu May 12 00:01:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.00:01
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thinrichsToday I just have status updates for the agenda.00:02
thinrichsAnything else to discuss?00:02
thinrichs#topic status00:03
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thinrichsramineni: want to start?00:03
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ramineni_thinrichs: sure,00:03
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ramineni_thinrichs: i just started with migration of test-congress  this week00:04
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ramineni_thinrichs: and fixed some gat failures00:05
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ramineni_thinrichs: thats it from my side for this week00:05
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thinrichsGreat!  Getting good unit test coverage for at least the in-memory version of the new arch is important, I'd say.00:06
thinrichsAnd the gate is always important to get fixed00:06
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thinrichsmasahito: want to go next?00:06
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ekcshi all sorry I’m late. just got in from a conference.00:07
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masahitosure00:07
thinrichsekcs: no problem.  Just doing status updates.00:07
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masahitoI updated the code Congress with new arhictecture and it work now!00:08
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masahitohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/314873/00:08
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ekcsFrom link?00:09
ekcswrong link?00:09
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masahitoAnd I added codes which loads configured datasources.00:09
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masahitofrom this patch, it works https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280793/1100:10
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masahitoekcs: sorry, I wrote wrong linke.00:11
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thinrichsHi all.  Still here?00:12
ramineni_yes00:12
masahitoyes00:12
ekcsyup00:13
thinrichsMy irc client crashed, and then wouldn't reconnect.  I couldn't even ping chat.freenode.net00:13
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ramineni_masahito: still gate job for new arch fails , i think is it because of datasource_id vs name?00:13
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masahitoramineni_: I think so00:13
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masahitoramineni_: or another bugs in new_architecture00:14
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thinrichsThe name vs. id would definitely cause tests to fail00:15
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thinrichsCould be other problems, of course.00:15
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thinrichsHow did we decide to fix that?00:15
thinrichsHave the API translate from ID to name?00:16
thinrichsby asking the DB?00:16
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ekcsI think the consensus was to to do that. same way it’s done now.00:16
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ramineni_i think patch got merged for that right00:18
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thinrichsmasahito: Did I miss any important discussion about your status update?00:18
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masahitoI think nothing.00:19
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masahitothinrichs: my update is just Congress with new architecture works now!00:20
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thinrichsramineni: the patch for translating from ID to name?00:20
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ramineni_thinrichs: not getting now, i thought you have kept a patch for it already?00:22
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thinrichsmasahito: the whole new architecture works?  Even the datasource name/id bug is fixed?00:23
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thinrichsramineni: I abandoned that patch thinking we were just trying something out.00:24
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thinrichsramineni: masahito reviewed it and pointed out some correctness problems00:24
ramineni_thinrichs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310597/00:24
ramineni_thinrichs: its abandoned00:25
ramineni_?00:25
thinrichsI was just confused.  I'll resurrect it and work out the bugs.00:25
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masahitothinrichs: oh, 'works' means Congress can launch with DseNode, not pass tempest tests.00:25
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thinrichsmasahito: understood00:26
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ramineni_thinrichs: oh ok00:26
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thinrichsekcs: want to do your status update?00:26
ekcssure.00:27
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ekcsThinking through and writing out the details of HA proposal based on our discussions. working with Tim and Andrew from Redhat on that.00:27
ekcsDesign summarized in a diagram in the etherpad. Comments welcome. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-congress-availability00:27
ekcsWill be putting it together into a spec proposal.00:27
ekcsAlso will revise the update sequencing patch once we decide whether to do sequencing logic in DseNode or DataService.00:27
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thinrichsekcs: for the reactive enforcement policy engine, a hot+cold would add quite a bit of complexity b/c we'd need leader election00:31
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thinrichsekcs: originally I had thought we'd want that to ensure we don't miss executing any actions if the engine crashes and we need to restart it.00:31
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thinrichsBut do we really need a hot+cold?00:32
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ekcsI’m thinking for first step we can just restart action execution policy engine on failure. that gives us maybe 30 second or less down time?00:33
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ekcsbut if better is needed, then standby would be necessary.00:33
ramineni_thinrichs, ekcs: restarting policy engine might not work evrytime right on the same node00:33
thinrichs1Here's my question: are we actually ever going to miss executing an action, even if the policy engine is down for minutes or hours?00:34
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thinrichs1All the messages are sent over oslo-messaging with the receiver set to the execution policy engine00:34
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thinrichs1Those messages will stay there on the bus for however long it takes to resurrect the policy engine.00:35
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thinrichs1When it comes back up, it should read the messages off the bus, and as long as it processes them 1 by 1, execute all the correct actions.00:35
thinrichs1(That's assuming, I suppose, that it doesn't fall so far behind that it never catches up.  But that'd be a whole different problem anyway.)00:36
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ekcsthinrichs1: The way things are done right now, executions will be missed. because a policy engine only looks at latest snapshot on restart. but I can think through whether we can do it differently and leverage the message queue to make sure we don’t miss execution.00:36
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thinrichs1Leader-election is hard, so if there's some way we can leverage oslo-messaging to avoid it, that'd be good.00:37
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thinrichs1Does anyone know if there are tools in OpenStack to make hot+cold easy to implement?00:37
ekcsso you’re saying not missing any execution action is an important requirement. downtime is less important.00:37
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thinrichs1I think so—for the execution policy engine at least.  The only reason downtime would matter is if the user wanted actions to be executed as soon as the conditions were satisfied.00:38
thinrichs1Hmmm…that was what masahito needed though—sub-second response times00:39
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masahitothinrichs1: usually hot+cold is implemented by pacemaker in OpenStack00:39
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thinrichs1So pacemaker is responsible for picking a hot and a cold00:40
ekcsThe other thing is this: my understanding is that we’ll make the necessary changes in congress to do an HA deployment. And we’ll document and test a reference HA deployment. but it’d be up to the operator to actually configure the deployment with all the different tools. is that correct? So to me it’s okay to document how to do a hot standby deployment using say pacemaker. and let that be an optional thing based on user need.00:40
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ekcsis that your understanding as well?00:41
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thinrichs1ekcs: I'm not sure what other projects do.  Based on the discussion with the Redhat/Suse guys at the summit, though, that sounds right.00:42
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masahitoekcs: yes, but IMO using pacemaker is defact standard now.00:42
ekcsthe end user would need a bunch of external tools to do it. corosync, pacemaker, haproxy, etc.00:42
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ekcsmasahito: yes.00:42
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thinrichs1Ideally we'd want to have system tests that test our HA—deploy the HA configuration, shoot some instances, and check that we don't lose functionality.00:43
thinrichs1Not sure how other projects do that though.00:44
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thinrichs1Thanks for the update ekcs.00:45
ekcsthinrichs1: you mean an automated test?00:45
thinrichs1ekcs: yes00:45
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thinrichs1Let's all try to take time to read/comment on ekcs's etherpad proposal.00:45
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thinrichs1ekcs: or should we wait, if you're getting a spec ready?00:46
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ekcsI think quick scan and comment/questions would be helpful.00:46
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thinrichs1#action Everyone takes a quick look at the HA00:46
ekcs#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-congress-availability00:47
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thinrichs1For my status update, I've been looking at the vm-placement policy engine00:48
thinrichs1trying to get it working again for person who mailed us wanting to use it.00:48
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thinrichs1Trying to enable it to be spun up like a datasource00:48
thinrichs1just so that it can be used on mitaka/liberty/etc.00:49
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thinrichs1I'll also make sure to resurrect and fix up the patch for the datasource name/id bug00:50
thinrichs1That's about it00:50
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thinrichs1Anything else today?00:51
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ekcson vmplacement,00:51
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ekcsI’m a little confused as to whether the person wants to use vmplacement policy engine we have, or use his/her own vmplacement code.00:52
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thinrichs1That I don't know for sure either.00:52
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thinrichs1The vm-placement code wasn't easy to write, so I was assuming they'd want to start with that and tweak it.00:53
ekcsok00:53
thinrichs1But it's hard to say00:53
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thinrichs1Seems like that's it for the day.00:55
thinrichs1Thanks all!00:55
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ekcsthanks!00:55
masahitothanks00:56
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thinrichs1#endmeeting00:57
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Sam-I-Amhello16:01
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johndperkinso/16:01
Sam-I-Amemagana: moo.16:01
Sam-I-Amanyone here for the net guide meeting?16:01
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johndperkinsI am16:02
Sam-I-Amcool16:02
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Sam-I-Am#startmeeting docnetworkingteam16:02
openstackSam-I-Am: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress.  Use #endmeeting first.16:02
Sam-I-Am#endmeeting16:03
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Sam-I-Am#startmeeting docnetworkingteam16:03
openstackMeeting started Thu May 12 16:03:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Sam-I-Am. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:03
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emaganaSam-I-Am: I am here!16:03
Sam-I-Amok, thats better16:03
Sam-I-Amemagana: oh, hi16:03
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Sam-I-Amemagana: want to kick it off?16:04
emaganaSam-I-Am: Unfortunately, In a meting at work16:04
emaganaSam-I-Am: Please, go ahead.16:04
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Sam-I-Amwell, not much to cover other than the usual call for contributions16:04
Sam-I-Amparticularly in the area of neutron concepts such as provider networks, private networks, etc.16:04
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emaganaSam-I-Am: sounds good!16:05
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Sam-I-Amthe scenarios are updated for mitaka16:05
Sam-I-Amthe guide also includes bgp dr docs now16:05
Sam-I-Amwhich is a big one16:05
Sam-I-Ami16:05
Sam-I-Ami'll be improving the scenarios soon and also contributing more general info over the newton cycle16:06
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Sam-I-Ami also recommend reading this...16:06
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Sam-I-Am#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094390.html16:07
Sam-I-Ami think neutron and docs have an understanding, but just in case not... give it a read, and maybe a reply16:07
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Sam-I-Amthats it from me16:08
Sam-I-Amanyone else have anything?16:09
johndperkinsthe OSIC team is looking for a list of unfinished/unassigned tasks so we can start helping out on the networking guide16:09
Sam-I-Amemagana: we need to fix your meetings16:09
emaganaSam-I-Am: in gerrit?16:09
Sam-I-Amjohndperkins: oh, ok... there's a list of tasks here - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide16:09
Sam-I-Amemagana: no, just so you can attend this one16:09
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emaganaI know.. the problem is that me team schedule sprint reviews at this exactly time.16:10
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emaganaAnd I can't change that.. at least we move this meeting to Friday  :-)16:10
Sam-I-Amjohndperkins: there may also be a slight restructuring of the guide in newton, namely because a lot of "not really advanced" features are ending up in "advanced" because there's no better place for them16:10
Sam-I-Amlike mtu really isnt advanced16:11
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emaganaanother option is to keep on Thursday but not this week but the next.. I always got confused which week is odd and which one even16:11
Sam-I-Amso change the odd/even?16:12
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emaganais this week odd or even?16:12
Sam-I-Amodd i think16:13
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johndperkinsodd16:13
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Sam-I-Amemagana: moving it to even weeks is less of an impact than changing the day, i would guess16:14
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emaganaSam-I-Am: that will work for me very nicely!16:15
Sam-I-Amemagana: can you post the patch?16:15
emagana#action: emagana to change the meetings from odd to even16:15
emaganaSam-I-Am: So, are we going to have this meeting next week or in three weeks?16:15
Sam-I-Amemagana: i'd go for 3 weeks. not a lot of attendance anyway.16:16
emaganaSam-I-Am: sounds good!16:16
Sam-I-Amplus i think i'm out of town next week16:16
emaganaSam-I-Am: In that case, do you want me to chair the meetings or do you want to take over?16:16
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Sam-I-Amwell, the point of changing the meeting was so it didnt conflict with your other meetings16:16
Sam-I-Amhence, you're still the chair, but i can fill in if necessary16:17
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Sam-I-Amemagana: eh?16:18
emaganaSam-I-Am: sounds good!16:19
emaganaI am happy to make this change and being involved!16:19
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Sam-I-Amexcellent16:19
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Sam-I-Ami think we're done here16:19
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Sam-I-Am#endmeeting16:21
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emaganaThanks All!16:22
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 12 17:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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rlrossito/17:00
mtreinishhi, who's here today?17:00
slowrie<17:00
fnaval_o/17:00
fnaval_hi17:00
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mtreinish#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_May_12th_2016_.281700_UTC.2917:02
mtreinish^^^ today's agenda17:02
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hogepodgeo/17:02
mtreinishok, let's get started17:02
rfolcoo/17:02
mtreinish#topic Specs Reviews17:02
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mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z17:03
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mtreinishso there are a couple of specs reviews open that look to be in a state they can merge17:03
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mtreinishdoes anyone want to discuss an open spec review?17:03
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mtreinishrlrossit: ???17:04
rlrossitmtreinish: I have some questions as to what I should do with my spec. Where should it live?17:04
rlrossitlike it's not really tempest17:04
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rlrossitI guess the spec is even more of just a general initiative kinda thing17:04
mtreinishrlrossit: oh, about the dir structure, yeah I guess we don't really have a place for other projects17:04
mtreinishrlrossit: we probably should add another dir (or just pick up things in the root dir)17:04
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mtreinishrlrossit: I'll push a patch to reorganize things and rebase your's on top of it17:05
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rlrossitI would also like to see what interest there is around testing permissions/policies in folks' clouds17:05
mtreinishthe last time this came up I think we just jammed it in devstack, which wasn't really correct17:05
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rlrossitI'm thinking it might be a little more relevant now that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290155/5/specs/newton/approved/policy-in-code.rst exists17:05
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/31470417:05
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mtreinish^ that's what we're discussing17:06
rlrossitoh right, the link. Thanks mtreinish ;)17:06
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mtreinishrlrossit: well, I think that helps make the weird stuff you're doing in your cloud more clear17:07
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mtreinishbut crazy policy decisions have existed before that spec :)17:07
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mtreinishrlrossit: is there anything else on your spec?17:08
rlrossitmtreinish: not really. Other than, have you seen any other role-based testing roll around openstack?17:08
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andreafsomething only slightly relevant is policies in keystone17:09
rlrossitI got inspiration from some really strict cloud cafe tests, but I haven't seen anything other than that (and even then, it was only barbican)17:09
mtreinishrlrossit: nothing like what you're trying to do. It's come up in bugs every now and then, but most of the upstream testing has implicity assumes a default (more or less) policy file17:09
andreafthe type of token needed to access resources in the keystone admin api changes depending on the policy in use17:09
rlrossitmtreinish: alright. I don't expect my project to be the final implementation, it was more of just a proof-of-concept kinda thing to say "hey, here's another thing to test"17:10
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andreafI'm trying to address some of it in tempest but it's something different from your spec really17:11
hogepodgeIt would be nice if policy testing wasn't mixed in with other capabilities, especially since there's going to be a lag in transitioning from policy file to more card coded17:11
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rlrossithogepodge: what do you mean by other capabilities?17:12
mtreinishhogepodge: well rlrossit's spec/project implements it all as a standalone tempest plugin17:12
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hogepodgeah, I see17:12
hogepodgegreat17:12
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andreafhogepodge: and my work addresses identity admin API, which should be out of scope for defcore, rigth?17:13
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hogepodgeandreaf: it would be, yes17:13
mtreinishok, the other spec I wanted to bring up was:17:13
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269934/17:13
mtreinishwhich is for the tempest run work, it'd be good to get review cycles on that17:13
mtreinishbecause I'd like to start to get that moving for real soon17:14
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andreafmtreinish: I can review that this week17:15
mtreinishandreaf: ok, cool17:15
mtreinishthanks17:15
mtreinishdoes anyone have anything else on specs?17:16
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mtreinishok, let's move on17:17
mtreinish#topic Tempest17:17
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mtreinishit looks like oomichi put all the Newton priority items on the agenda under this topic17:18
mtreinishbut I don't expect to talk about each one17:18
mtreinishso does anyone have anything they'd like to bring up on tempest?17:18
slowrie#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28377017:18
fnavalyes17:18
fnaval#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315319/17:18
slowrieStill looking for reviews on centralized workspaces17:18
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fnavalsame - reviews requested17:18
fnavalplease17:18
mtreinishslowrie: ok, I'll take a look17:19
mtreinishfnaval: I think that's a duplicate of another open patch17:19
slowriemtreinish: I also need for someone else to look @ subunit-describe-calls, already has a +2 from oomichi17:19
fnavalyes, so how should we approach that17:19
slowrie#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/31227517:19
mtreinishfnaval: well normally the patch which was pushed first is the we work with17:20
mtreinishslowrie: ok, not really a tempest thing, but I'll take a look. (the os-testr core team is a bit smaller)17:20
tosky2I didn't really check, but what is the status for running plugins in the tempest venv on the CI?17:20
andreaffnaval, mtreinish: I can look at the catalog one, if you find a duplicate let me know17:20
fnavalmtreinish: kk, i'll either put a depedency on my patch on that one or just be a co-author of the original17:20
fnavalhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/28427317:20
fnaval#link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/28427317:21
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mtreinishandreaf: ^^^ that's the other patch17:21
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fnavalandreaf: awesome, thanks - I'll ping you when I make the changes17:21
mtreinishtosky2: that's landed on the devstack side17:21
andreaffnaval: ok17:21
mtreinishso you should be able to use it17:21
tosky2oh, good to hear - is it already used by some plugin?17:22
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mtreinishtosky2: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack-dev/devstack++topic:install-plugins17:22
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tosky2thanks17:22
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mtreinishon your project config side you should just need to use the devstack passthrough to set TEMPEST_PLUGIN to the things you want to pip install17:22
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mtreinishtosky2: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299888/ is a WIP for doing that with ironic17:23
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mtreinish(it still has complications because it's an intree plugin)17:23
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mtreinishok, does anyone have anything else to discuss on tempest?17:24
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andreafwe're working on the prio items, but nothing to discuss here from my side17:26
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mtreinishandreaf: ok17:26
mtreinishok, lets move on then17:26
mtreinish#topic DevStack + Grenade17:26
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mtreinishso there is some big news on this one, but I'll give sc68cal first crack at it17:27
mtreinishsc68cal: around?17:27
sc68calaround17:28
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sc68calSo - we landed the new lib/neutron yesterday, but it's still got a few things to fix that I made mistakes on17:28
mtreinishsc68cal: you're supposed to gloss over mistakes :)17:29
andreafyay!! \o/17:29
slowriemtreinish: they're features not mistakes17:29
sc68calmtreinish: heh. Well, I want to make sure I keep everyone's expectations in check17:29
clarkbsc68cal: is it in use if you enable neutron or has that switch not been made yet?17:29
sc68calclarkb: the switch hasn't been made yet, I have a patch up that makes the switch and tests neutron, we have some failures I need to track down. It's mostly just making sure I configure the *bare minimum* for everything to function17:30
jlvillalo/  very late17:32
mtreinishsc68cal: is there a deprecation plan for neutron-legacy, like are we just gonna make a hard cut17:32
sc68calso, I'll keep plugging away at it, and once it's more presentable I'll put something on the ML on how to use, although the commit message for it does cover how to use it17:32
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mtreinishor do a real deprecation period (with a warning being emitted) first17:32
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sc68calmtreinish: I think once we switch over the neutron CI jobs to lib/neutron - we can probably do a hard cut17:33
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mtreinishsc68cal: ok, cool17:33
sc68calsince that'll be the hardest part17:33
sc68calbut putting in a deprecation warning in advance sounds good to me17:33
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mtreinishok, is there anything else to discuss on devstack and grenade this week?17:35
mtreinishoh, rfolco you put something on the agenda17:35
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rfolcomtreinish, oops got disconnected at the right time :)17:35
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mtreinishheh17:36
rfolcomtreinish, I’d like to hear thoughts about enabling mariadb for devstack on ubuntu.17:36
rfolco#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314087/17:36
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rfolcoThe original proposal was to allow users choosing between mysql flavors (MySQL/MariaDB) on Ubuntu.17:36
mtreinishrfolco: hmm, so in the past we haven't really made an opinion on it, we just use the distro default17:36
mtreinishwhich is maria on fedora and mysql on ubuntu17:37
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mtreinishpersonally I'm leaning towards doing something like enabling maria on ubuntu as a devstack plugin17:37
mtreinishand leave the default path to just be the distro default17:37
sc68cal++17:38
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rfolcolooks good, ubuntu must have a reason for keeping mysql as default17:38
rfolcook mtreinish would propose something as a plugin instead17:39
mtreinishrfolco: that I can't tell you. Although my internal conspiracy theorist wants to say there is a secret cabal with oracle and canonical17:40
mtreinishrfolco: ok, cool17:40
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tosky2or simply because debian did not switch yet...17:40
mtreinishis there anything else to discuss on devstack or grenade?17:40
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rfolcoright! mariadb is the community fork for mysql :)17:40
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mtreinishok, let's move on17:41
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mtreinish#topic Openstack-Health17:41
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mtreinishso just quickly on this I wanted to discuss:17:42
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/31191917:42
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mtreinishwhich is for enabling elastic-recheck support to openstack-health17:42
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slowriemtreinish: were you able to solve the initial performance issues you were having?17:42
mtreinishright now the biggest blocker on it is the performance of the actually elasticsearch querying17:42
mtreinishslowrie: sort of, I got the combined api query down to ~20 sec by hitting es in parallel17:43
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mtreinishI haven't had a chance to do more indepth profiling of where it's spending the time yet17:43
slowriewould this be a case for something we would run server side at specific times to try to just cache known bugs?17:43
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mtreinishso making it update periodically was probably gonna be my next step17:44
mtreinishbecause this doesn't have to be real time17:44
mtreinishwe already have caching enabled for that rest api call in the js17:44
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mtreinishbut I'm thinking it'll need to be more explicit17:44
mtreinishthe problem is we don't have any manual caching mechanisms in place yet17:45
slowrieI'll take a look when I get my next block of free time17:45
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mtreinishok, cool thanks17:45
mtreinishdoes anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss on openstack-health?17:45
slowrieOn another note, I have managed to get subunit2sql working with json fields17:45
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slowrieCurrently building database size to do some proper benchmarking17:46
fnavalit's a useful dashboard17:46
mtreinishslowrie: oh cool, I'm curious to see how that performs17:46
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slowriemtreinish: On a small scale it's not noticable yet17:46
andreafslowrie: to store metadata?17:46
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slowrieYeah17:46
slowrieandreaf: it completely removes any kvp metadata tables and just stores them natively17:46
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andreafnice, looking forward to results as well :)17:47
slowrieCurrent issues that are definite blockers though17:47
mtreinishit'll get tricky enabling that in a generic way (considering the backend requirements) but it should be doable17:47
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slowrieIt requires sqlalchemy 1.1 which is still dev17:47
slowrieand it requires either a change to postgre or mysql 5.717:47
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andreafoh ok17:47
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mtreinishslowrie: right, that's the tricky bit because we have to handle the case where that isn't what's being used17:47
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mtreinishlike sqlite...17:48
mtreinishbut it's something we can work on when the time is right17:48
slowriemtreinish: yeah, currently on my dev box it's just using an alembic revision only for mysql17:48
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mtreinishok, is there anything else on this topic?17:49
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andreafmtreinish: we talked at the beginning of o-h or before that about tracking changes in the amount of tests executed17:49
andreafmtreinish: is this something that you think it would be interesting still to highlight on the dashboard17:50
andreaf?17:50
mtreinishandreaf: it already does that to some extent on the per job page17:50
mtreinishit shows raw test counts for everything there17:50
mtreinishwe probably can refine it a bit or add a view to show tests per run17:50
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mtreinishbut I think that's fine to work on17:50
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mtreinishok, lets move on17:51
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews17:52
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on?17:52
mtreinishI've got a couple:17:52
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/31467317:52
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mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/31477517:52
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mtreinishno one else has any reviews to bring up?17:54
andreafmtreinish: ok added to my list17:54
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mtreinishandreaf: thanks17:54
mtreinishthey both are super straightforward17:54
andreafmtreinish: I would like opinions on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313171/17:54
andreafmtreinish: the scope thing in auth.py17:54
mtreinish#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313171/17:55
mtreinishI could swear I've reviewed that several times already :)17:55
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mtreinishandreaf: I'll take another look, but I seem to remember it being close and mostly being +2 when it was back tempest-lib17:56
andreafheh I changed it a bit based on jordanP input, made it simpler I think17:57
mtreinishok, cool17:57
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mtreinishok, if there aren't any other reviews let's open the floor for 2 min17:58
andreafthe thing is when I use domain scoped tokens it doesn't work on liberty - only mitaka and newton, so I think I'll have to add a config option17:58
mtreinish#topic Open Discussion17:58
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mtreinishandreaf: why, that should be something that works fine on liberty too17:58
mtreinishnot that we ever really test it17:58
mtreinishandreaf: we should circle back with jamielennox or someone after the meeting17:58
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slowrieafter some more research it does look like there's a json1 extension for sqlite & mariadb supports json fields as of 10.0.117:59
mtreinishok, well we're basically at time, so let's end here17:59
mtreinishthanks everyone18:00
mtreinish#endmeeting18:00
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fnavalthanks!18:00
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thingeedtroyer: meeting?19:02
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dtroyerWe changed our even week schedule to Thursday 1300 UTC, starting today19:03
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dtroyerin #openstack-meeting-319:03
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thingeetoday is an odd week though?19:03
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dtroyerhmmm… according to who?19:04
thingeejust looking at my calendar that this is an odd week. Anyways maybe the ical is wrong too.19:04
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thingeeI just updated it from http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStackClient_Team_Meeting after your email19:04
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dtroyermine says this is ww2019:05
thingeecw19 on mine19:05
dtroyernice, that's not even something that is consistent ;)19:05
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dtroyerso both Intel and Mac Calendar say w20, neither is likely authoritative for OpenStack though19:06
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dtroyerand that ics file has this as odd… did I just get it wrong in the file?19:08
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thingeedtroyer: cool, well I'm happy I get to have lunch now :) - have a nice day!19:12
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* dtroyer is getting to the bottom of this… have a good lunch thingee19:12
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mriedem#startmeeting nova21:00
openstackMeeting started Thu May 12 21:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:00
mriedemadrian_otto akuriata alevine alexpilotti aloga andreykurilin anteaya artom auggy21:00
mriedembauzas belliott belmoreira bobball cburgess claudiub danpb dguitarbite _diana_21:00
mriedemdiana_clarke dims duncant edleafe efried flip214 funzo garyk gcb gjayavelu21:00
mriedemirina_pov jaypipes jcookekhugen jgrimm jichen jlvillal jroll kashyap klindgren21:00
dansmitho/21:00
alaskio/21:00
takashino/21:00
mriedemkrtaylor lbeliveau lxsli macsz markus_z mdorman med_ mikal mjturek mnestratov21:00
mriedemmoshele mrda nagyz ndipanov neiljerram nic Nisha PaulMurray raildo rgeragnov21:00
jrollohai21:00
mriedemsc68cal scottda sdague sileht sorrison swamireddy thomasem thorst tjones tonyb21:00
mriedemtpatil tpatzig xyang rdopiera sarafraj woodster sahid rbradfor junjie gsilvis21:00
melwitto/21:00
diana_clarkeo/21:00
auggyo/21:00
cdento/21:00
cburgess0/21:00
bauzaspaste flood !21:00
cburgesso/21:00
bauzas\o21:00
scottdahi21:00
rdopierao/21:00
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sc68calhello21:00
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raj_singho/21:01
tpatilHi21:01
edleafe\o21:01
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mriedem#link meeting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting21:01
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mriedem#topic release news21:01
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mriedem#link Newton release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule21:01
macszO/21:01
mriedem#info June 2: newton-1, non-priority spec approval freeze21:01
mriedemjust a reminder that the next big date is n-1 and non-priority spec approval freeze21:02
mriedemon 6/221:02
mriedemwe already have a gazillion open specs https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova-specs+status:open21:02
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gagehugoo/21:03
mriedemso if you're lucky enough to get attention from a core, make sure you reply to any comments super fast21:03
dansmith1.0 gazillion?21:03
mriedem1.2321:03
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dansmithwhoa21:03
dansmiththat's a lot21:03
mriedemany questions about the schedule?21:03
mriedem#topic bugs21:03
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mriedemgate status is okish21:04
rlrossito/21:04
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mriedemi landed a new test that broke ceph, but nic fixed it quickly21:04
mriedemand the revert on the skip of the new test is going through the gate21:04
claudiubo/21:04
mriedemand we broke ironic's gate, but the fix for that should already be merged by now21:04
jrollstill stuck in the gate :/21:05
mriedemas for 3rd party ci, xenproject ci was failing a lot yesterday, but looked like the same old xenlight thing21:05
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mriedemi've also noticed some new nfv ci showing up and failing on every run21:05
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mriedemno other news there though21:06
mriedemif you noticed that toggle ci is on by default, it's a bug and infra was fixing it21:06
mriedem#topic reminders21:06
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mriedem#link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking21:06
mriedemif you're a subteam and have stuff in ^ make sure it's up to date21:07
mriedemwe cleaned up the cells section yesterday21:07
mriedem#info We have 55 approved blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/newton - 6 are completed, 6 have not started, 3 are blocked21:07
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mriedem#help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty21:07
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mriedemlooks like andrearosa was signed up for exactly 1 day :)21:07
mriedem#topic stable branch status21:08
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mriedemthere are open reviews for mitaka and liberty, but otherwise nothing noteworthy21:08
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mriedemmikal, claudiub and tonyb were cruising through some of those this week21:08
mriedem#topic subteam highlights21:09
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bauzasLiberty is Phase-II by tomorrow, right?21:09
mriedembauzas: is it?21:09
mriedemi haven't seen anything official on that21:09
bauzasI remember some tonyb's email unless I'm wrong21:09
mriedemoh i see it now21:09
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bauzashttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094440.html21:09
bauzasall hail our stable PTL21:10
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mriedem"I'd like all stable teams to transition to Phase II support "Critical bugfixes and security patches only" as of 2016-05-15."21:10
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mriedemFor the record the final EOL date for Liberty is 2016-11-1721:10
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jlvillalo/21:10
mriedemthe final kilo release was cut this week too21:10
bauzasokay, not tomorrow, Monday :)21:10
mriedemso the stable/kilo branch will be gone soon21:10
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mriedemso back to subteam stuff21:11
mriedemalaski: cells v2 highlights?21:11
alaskithere's a lot to review, could use eyes there21:11
alaskiand there's a lot to migrate from cell db to api db21:11
alaskibut it's all pretty much in motion21:11
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mriedemk21:12
mriedemjaypipes: cdent: edleafe: scheduler highlights?21:12
mriedemi have some notes in the agenda if you're shy21:12
* cdent looks around21:12
mriedemContinuing review on generic-resource-pools spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300176/21:12
edleafelotsa specs getting churned21:12
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mriedemNeed to move inventories tables to API DB before we can migrate  compute_node data to allocations tables (or do generic-resource-pools).21:12
cdentjaypipes and dansmith figured out the db move stuff, but I'm not actually sure what the decision was21:12
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edleafeyeah, that will be a surprise21:13
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dansmithum21:13
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edleafeoh, forgot the smiley21:13
dansmithwhy a surprise? jaypipes pasted bits in the channel even21:13
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mriedemso, jaypipes signed up for that the other day21:13
cdentYingxin provided some good feedback on the object structure in generic-resource-pools which might shake things up a bit21:14
mriedemsomething something backref21:14
mriedemi saw that21:14
mriedemand the placement rest api is in flux21:14
bauzasthe spec you mean21:15
mriedemso ftr i'm waiting to review the generic-resource-pools spec until that's sorted out21:15
mriedembauzas: yes in the spec21:15
bauzasI saw jay -1d his spec :)21:15
mriedemanyway, point is, inventories to api db is priority #121:15
bauzascdent: you're now aligned with him ?21:15
cdentmriedem: it would probably be better to review sooner than later as waiting until it is "ready" is entirely contrary to the point of review, no?21:15
mriedemdansmith and jaypipes are on the same page there21:15
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mriedemcdent: i was ready a few days ago21:15
mriedembut then the rest api blew up21:15
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mriedemso i'm not getting in the middle of that really21:16
cdentyou don't care or you don't have an opinion?21:16
mriedemi will defer to you guys who have a stronger opinion about the rest api than me21:16
bauzasI thought we were providing a summary :)21:16
cdentbauzas: heh21:16
cdentanyway, yeah, lots of action in the last 24 hours21:16
cdentit's a bit bursty21:16
bauzasit's darn hard to follow indeed21:17
mriedemmoving on?21:17
bauzasbut that's life21:17
bauzasmriedem: hell yeah21:17
mriedemlive migration21:17
mriedemlibvirt-instance-storage spec is approved (refactor/cleanup work in the libvirt imagebackend code): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302117/21:17
mriedemmdbooth: has a big refactor series for ^21:17
mriedemlooks like a bunch of it is in merge conflict now21:17
dansmithwith the rbd fix I bet21:17
mriedem* Working on adding test coverage for LVM and Raw image backends for testing ^21:17
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mriedemdansmith: maybe21:18
mriedemi'm playing with an lvm job https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314744/21:18
mriedemresize is not happy with lvm21:18
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mriedemcfriesen was going to push some patches to fix that21:18
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mriedemso we'll see21:18
mriedemelse we just skip the tests, but testing resize/migrate with these different image backends was kind of the point21:18
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mriedemmoving on21:19
mriedemapi21:19
mriedem* api-ref sprint: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094872.html21:19
mriedemsdague: anything else for api?21:19
mriedem#help api-ref sprint api-ref sprint: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094872.html21:19
mriedem#link open api-ref reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova+file:api-ref+status:open21:20
auggythe api meeting this week was api-ref focused with the intention to focus on api related spec review next week21:20
mriedemyup21:20
mriedemthe api-ref reviews aren't too hard, just time consuming and draining21:20
mriedem:)21:20
bauzasthat sounds a continous effort21:20
auggyalso i'm working on a more user friendly report on what still needs to be done21:20
mriedemwell http://burndown.dague.org/21:20
mriedemthere has been decent progress this week21:21
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mriedemthanks to everyone helping out on that21:21
mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:21
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mriedem#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295595/ Re-Propose Expose quiesce/unquiesce API21:21
mriedemso this was a spec to expose quiescing an instance21:22
mriedemre-proposed from mitaka (previously approved)21:22
mriedemhowever, dansmith has reservations21:22
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mriedemthe reply to those was, something, enterprise, application, needed21:22
dansmithyeah, johnthetubaguy said he didn't really like it either, but it was previously approved21:22
dansmithpersonally I don't think it's a good idea, but I -1ed to advise, so if others want it then they should put it in21:23
dansmithI haven't circled back to see the reply,21:23
dansmithbut ... sounds convincing21:23
mriedem"application level consistency snapshot is critical for disaster recovery of an application"21:23
dansmithfor anyone that doesn't know,21:24
dansmiththis is wanting to be able to snapshot multiple instances at the same time21:24
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melwittI thought it already quiesces before a snapshot. oh21:24
dansmithwhich requires client software to quiesce and freeze them from the api side, one at a time, in the right order, do the thing, then unfreeze in the right order21:24
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dansmithmore state modeling for us, new api semantics for instances currently frozen, etc21:25
dansmithI think the use case is pretty weak,21:25
dansmithwhen it could all be done at the *actual* application layer if desired21:25
mriedemok, i'll have to read back through it from the start21:26
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mriedemoh i see the blueprint says "In NFV scenario, a VNF (telecom application) often is consisted of a group of VMs."21:27
bauzasyeah, I just wonder what the benefit for Nova is21:27
mriedemof course...21:27
mriedemso quiesce + volume multi-attach, it's going to be great21:27
dansmithyeah, so for something that is highly network-dependent,21:27
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dansmithwe're going to quiesce and freeze the first one, then do the next, the next, then snapshot, then undo that in reverse order21:27
dansmithI'm sure the telecom user will just wait21:27
dansmithseems dubious to me21:28
dansmithanyway,21:28
dansmiththat's all.. we should move on21:28
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dansmithjust .. review that for real and don't rubber stamp it, IMHO21:28
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dansmithI was -1 on it the first time around too, but.. alas21:28
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mriedemi need to look up the original mitaka review21:28
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mriedem#topic open discussion21:29
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mriedemtpatil: Set migration status to 'error' instead of 'failed' during live-migration21:29
tpatilwe have sent an email to the operators mailing list for getting their opinion about this particular fix21:29
tpatil#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-May/010353.html21:29
mriedemthe response was 'meh' :)21:29
tpatilso far, we have got 2+ve and 0 -ve responses.21:30
mriedemyeah, basically, they don't care b/c it's not instance status21:30
mriedemit's migration status21:30
mriedemwhich they aren't using from the api yet21:30
tpatilright21:30
tpatilIMO, there are no side effects if migration status is changed from failed to error for live migration operation.21:30
mriedembut cold + live migration status being consistent is a net good21:30
tpatilright21:30
tpatilI request core reviewers to take this mailing thread discussion into account and decide the future of our proposed fix.21:30
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mriedemi propose that we split it in half and give one half to each submitter21:31
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mriedemyeah i think we're fine with moving forward on it21:31
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* mriedem notes there are no old testament buffs in the room21:31
dansmithi got it21:32
dansmithjust didn't approve21:32
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mriedemok, anything else for open discussion?21:32
melwittI got it too, but only because you've said it before :)21:32
mriedemi wake my daughter up in the morning with that saying21:32
dansmithmelwitt: learning the bible from mriedem and nova irc since 201621:32
melwittlol21:32
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mriedemalright, let's end it21:33
mriedemthanks everyone21:33
mriedem#endmeeting21:33
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armaxhello21:59
HenryGhi21:59
bodeno/        howdy21:59
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amullerhi ho, hi ho21:59
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kevinbentonhi22:00
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armaxdougwig, carl_baldwin, amuller22:00
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carl_baldwino/22:00
amullerI said hi :(22:00
johndperkinshi22:00
armaxamuller: sorry I didn’t see you there for a sec22:01
armax#undo22:01
armax:)22:01
dougwigo/22:01
armax#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:01
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armaxwelcome back to our long ‘vacation'22:01
armaxto->after22:01
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armaxwe are back at full speed I support22:02
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* njohnsto_ is on from his phone22:02
armaxnjohnsto_: hi22:02
armaxlet’s get back to chewing up at the triaged list of rfe bugs22:02
njohnsto_Armax: hello!22:03
armax#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe&orderby=datecreated&start=022:03
armaxduring past meetings we agreed to skip the bgp ones22:03
armaxassuming that carl_baldwin et al would get them to resolution22:03
blogano/22:04
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carl_baldwinstill working on them.22:04
armaxcarl_baldwin: did you guys have any chance to sit out and run through the list to see which ones are sensible to tackle in the Newton timeframe?22:04
armaxcarl_baldwin: ok22:04
carl_baldwinmostly focused on split22:04
armaxcarl_baldwin: ok, let’s take this offline, I am happy to help where I can22:05
* carl_baldwin thinks the bgp rfes are multiplying22:05
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HenryGWhy is bug 1537971 in triaged state targetted for M-3?22:05
openstackbug 1537971 in neutron "[RFE] Add timestamp to neutron resources" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1537971 - Assigned to zhaobo (zhaobo6)22:06
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armaxcarl_baldwin: no22:06
armaxcarl_baldwin: there’s 7 as usual :)22:06
armaxcarl_baldwin: I am keeping count :)22:06
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armaxHenryG: a snafus22:06
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HenryGarmax: ok22:07
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armaxbut this should be released, so I’ll look into it22:07
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armaxbug 153033122:07
openstackbug 1530331 in neutron "[RFE] [ipv6] Advertise tenant prefixes from router to outside" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153033122:07
carl_baldwinNot much activity on this one.22:08
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armaxcarl_baldwin: you were waiting for submitter feedback?22:09
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armaxit seems this is not going anywhere22:09
carl_baldwinSo, we'd set something on an external network to say that routers should advertise.  And then the routers have to see that and emit router advertisements for the internal networks.22:10
armaxdo we punt it until we have more IPv6 adoption?22:10
carl_baldwinI'm okay with that.22:10
HenryG+122:10
HenryGWe don't know the demand for it yet22:11
armaxok22:11
armaxlet’s freeze it for now22:11
armaxbug 155268022:11
openstackbug 1552680 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for DLM" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1552680 - Assigned to John Schwarz (jschwarz)22:11
armaxat the summit it was agreed we’d experiment a little to see how beneficial this model is22:12
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armaxamuller, kevinbenton: do I recall correctly?22:12
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amullercorrect, jschwarz has an action item to do some benchmarking22:12
armaxit may turn out that we’d never gonna take this if experiments are not fruitful22:13
amullerlet's see what he comes up with :)22:13
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armaxwe could turn this RFE into an actual bug report to track what John is working on22:13
armaxI would like to see the results of his effort recorded somewhere22:14
amullerof course22:14
armaxany idea on how he intended to do that? blog, wiki, devref?22:14
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HenryG(please devref)22:15
armaxI guess we’ll keep this RFE on standby22:15
amullerI think he was focusing on the content and not the medium22:15
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armaxthe medium may end up influencing the content a bit, but I hear you22:16
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armaxwhat if we said we want to use tweeter?22:16
armaxhe’s stuck with 160 chars at the time22:16
armaxanyhow22:16
armaxI look forward to hearing more about this22:16
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amullerAs do I22:17
armaxbug 156619122:17
openstackbug 1566191 in neutron "[RFE] Allow multiple networks with FIP range to be associated with Tenant router" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156619122:17
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carl_baldwinSo, midonet wants this.22:17
carl_baldwinUntil recently, the API would allow connecting a router internal port to an external network with floating ips.22:18
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carl_baldwinAnd, you could assign floating ips from it to ports on other networks.22:18
carl_baldwinBut, this never worked with the reference implementation and the API loophole was closed.22:18
armaxum22:19
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carl_baldwinarmax: that's not much of a comment.22:19
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carl_baldwinwould you mind expanding on that?22:20
armaxcarl_baldwin: I am looking that the patch that closed the loophole22:20
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armaxcarl_baldwin: in theory could we revert If054945eab058c7138aabbb22cda15890ccb502c?22:20
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: so if their tenant routers are attaching internal interfaces directly to the network, doesn't that mean that the tenants had direct access to the network22:20
armaxand fix it differently?22:22
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carl_baldwinkevinbenton: I'm not following.22:22
kevinbentonwhy would you need to allocate a floating IP from a network you have direct access to?22:22
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kevinbentonor can you attach a regular router interface to a 'router:external' network?22:23
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: I think they could attach an internal interface to a router:external network.22:24
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: I asked that question in the bug report but didn't get a clear answer.22:24
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dougwigthis meeting has been entirely too businesslike and cordial today.22:24
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: i see22:24
carl_baldwinBut, presumably, they needed NAT to communicate with the network.22:24
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kevinbentonwhich is what the floating IP would be for i suppose22:25
carl_baldwinright22:25
carl_baldwinarmax: differently how?  Do you have another suggestion?22:25
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armaxcarl_baldwin: I am not sure I understand how the API lookhope was closed22:26
carl_baldwinI was thinking that connecting a router port that's not the gateway to an external network would be new functionality that might need to be discoverable.22:26
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armaxcarl_baldwin: though I don’t quite understand how this might have broken midonet22:27
kevinbentonarmax: on floating IP associations it looks specifically for gateway ports now to find which router is responisble22:27
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carl_baldwinarmax: The patch made it so that a floating ip had to go through the gateway interface.22:27
carl_baldwin... not just any old interface.22:27
armaxright, we could perhaps figure out a way to extra the logic in a way that midonet that overload to their liking22:28
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armax*extract22:28
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: this might not need to be restricted to gateway interfaces22:28
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: the bug this was solving was to find the correct router22:28
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carl_baldwinkevinbenton: I don't think it should.  But, if we open it up, will the reference implementation work right?22:28
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: we could widen it to also search regular router interfaces22:28
armaxlet22:29
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: Yes.22:29
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: if not, we can have the reference implementation bail with an error22:29
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armaxlet’s discuss strategies on how to tackle this offline22:30
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carl_baldwinShould we treat this as new functionality that should be discoverable through the API?22:30
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: possibly.22:30
kevinbentonarmax: ack22:30
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armaxI see two approach: one we revert the behavior as it was and we make it possible for different implementations to behave differently22:30
carl_baldwinWe can move on.  That's my only question ^22:30
armaxit’s not ideal, but it’s one possibility22:30
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kevinbentonarmax: well that revert fixed another bug22:31
kevinbentonarmax: so we can't just revert22:31
armaxkevinbenton: revert to take a different route, but yes22:31
carl_baldwin++22:31
kevinbentonok, next topic! :)22:31
armaxthe other is, as carl_baldwin suggested is to figure out a way to expose this to the user22:31
armaxok22:31
carl_baldwinLet's continue on the bug.22:31
armaxmoving on, more brainstorming needed22:32
armaxbug 157748822:32
openstackbug 1577488 in neutron "[RFE]"Fast exit" for compute node egress flows when using DVR" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157748822:32
carl_baldwinHere, the idea is that when we have a routing protocol with host routes for DVR and internal ports, we need DVR to route egress traffic from the port straight to the external network instead of to the network node.22:33
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armaxthis does not involve FIP though, right?22:34
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carl_baldwinarmax: right22:34
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armaxso this RFE is about direct connectivity to fixed ip traffic if I understood correctly22:35
kevinbentonso for this i think enable_snat or membership to same address scope should inform the agent to skip redirect to central node22:35
kevinbenton-1 for yet another config mode on the agent22:35
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: Yep, that's the first part.22:35
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: I already essentially -2d that.22:36
carl_baldwin... at least in discussions with Ryan.22:36
amullercarl_baldwin: the new l3_agent mode?22:36
carl_baldwinamuller: -2 to that!22:36
amullerok22:36
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carl_baldwinMy thought was to have a simple way for BGP to register with Neutron as a routing provider.  Then neutron asks it if routing is enabled for the path.22:37
carl_baldwinWe just need a way to match the egress path with the ingress path.22:37
carl_baldwinThat seems to indicate asking the routing provider if there is direct routing.22:38
carl_baldwinOther thoughts?22:38
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armaxI am wondering what the exact network topology looks like22:38
kevinbentonso if we just separate the two, you will get asymmetric routing22:38
amullerarmax +122:38
armaxbecause this sounds to me like another flavors of provider networks22:39
kevinbentonif we fast_exit on the compute node but upstream still sends everything back to the central node22:39
amullerthe RFE could really use a diagram22:39
armax*flavor22:39
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: right?22:39
carl_baldwinkevinbenton: you're on the right track.22:39
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carl_baldwinarmax: I'm not getting the flavors idea for this.22:40
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carl_baldwinI'm sure we can whip up some diagrams.  Want to try again later?22:40
armaxI’ll expand on the bug, but I wonder if we’d end up conflating two different modes of operations22:40
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kevinbentonok, let's discuss more later then22:41
carl_baldwinok22:41
armaxbug 158023922:41
openstackbug 1580239 in neutron "[RFE] Add agent extension framework for L3 agent" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580239 - Assigned to Nate Johnston (nate-johnston)22:41
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carl_baldwinSo, this one is about creating something to allow FWaaS to register as an extension with the L3 agent.22:42
SridarKarmax: some background : With the merge of #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223343/ - removing the albeit ugly inheritance model with FWaaS - the FWaaS repo is broken. We are looking for an alternate clean model to do this - as none exist today - the RFE was filed.22:42
armaxI think the devil is in the detals22:42
njohnsto_So since FWaaS code is out of L3 agent, the idea is to build a plugin system for L3 agent similar to L2 agent22:42
carl_baldwinThis one came up because of my patch that broke FWaaS.22:42
armaxin the sense that I am sure everyone agrees with the intent22:42
armaxit’s a matter of figuring how on to best achieve the intent22:42
armaxso this sounds it needs a spec to allow us to iterate and brainstorm on gerrit22:43
njohnsto_Armax: agreed totally22:43
carl_baldwinarmax: +122:43
SridarKarmax: +122:43
kevinbentonyeah, i think this is ok. we just need to argue about how it will be done22:43
armaxa little was already done back in Liberty22:43
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SridarKarmax: we will also need a quick path fwd as fwaas repo is broken now22:43
carl_baldwinarmax: I showed njohnsto_ what was done then with callbacks.22:43
armaxwith the callback registry to decouple some bits and pieces but definitely more needs to be done22:43
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SridarKcarl_baldwin: with the callback registry i think we can get notifications on router events22:44
amullerSridarK: you prolly a different solution to 'fwaas is broken'22:44
armaxSridarK: you’re not advocating to fix the existing model that assumes that rules are applied at the router level?22:44
amullerneed*22:44
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SridarKarmax: yes we are on that path we just need a cleaner model to be a part of L3Agent22:45
carl_baldwinI think we're talking about two different kinds of broken.22:45
SridarKamuller: broken in the sense that the repo is broken and nothing can merge until we get past this22:46
armaxSridarK: so I would suggest to focus on the relationship that the l3 agent needs to have with fwaas22:46
armaxin the new model22:46
SridarKarmax: yes that is correct22:46
amullerSridarK: yeah, if the repo is broken I don't think the fix should wait for a spec to be discussed to death22:46
armaxwe can resolve by skipping broken tests :)22:46
armaxor are we wildly broken?22:46
njohnsto_That would be all of the unit tests22:47
armaxlike broken broken? I thought only a bunch of them were not passing22:47
njohnsto_Yes we are wildly broken ATM22:47
armaxic22:47
SridarKi probab am skating on very thin ice if i ask for a revert of 223343 ?22:47
SridarKyes basically there is no FWaaS agent now as we are out of L3Agent22:47
armaxbut that’d set you back to a place you don’t wanna be22:47
armaxso I may be asking a silly question22:47
SridarKarmax: if we can remove the ugly inheritance once we have a model in place for Services to be part of L3Agent22:48
armaxbut do we know how in the new model how FWaaS is supposed to interact with the L3 agent?22:48
SridarKbasically after we address this RFE22:48
armaxbecause L3 agent handles routers, if rules are applied at port level, I’d almost argue that FWaaS needs to talk to the L2 agent22:49
SridarKarmax: in the new model on L3 ports it will essentially apply rules on qr interfaces22:49
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SridarKarmax: and on L2 ports there is a part that will be functionality in L2Agent22:49
* carl_baldwin thinks SridarK and armax have *very* different ideas of what "new model" means.22:49
SridarKthe new model is on ports (both L3 and L2)22:50
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armaxSridarK: ok, understood, I think it should be possible to break the tie altogether22:50
armaxI see no reason why in the new model the fwaas agent needs to inherit from the L3 agent22:50
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SridarKarmax: that is fine - we will need access to the router ns on fw CRUD operations done thru the agent22:51
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armaxack22:51
carl_baldwinarmax: The fwaas inheriting from L3 agent isn't up for discussion afaic22:51
armaxcarl_baldwin: ok22:51
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armaxwhat I am saying is that I don’t see a need for the short term plan which would entail a revert22:52
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SridarKcarl_baldwin: armax: yes agreed - not long term - my plea was more for the immediate term until we flush out the new relationship with L3Agent22:52
amullerarmax: you're OK with the fwaas being completely broken for a couple of weeks?22:52
amullerfwaas repo*22:52
armaxbut what would you need to merge in the meantime if the end result is gonna look drastically different?22:53
kevinbentonarmax: well the repo is unusable to make changes22:53
SridarKarmax: we are in a bit of chicken and egg as we cannot really work thru existing changes22:53
carl_baldwinWe discussed breaking the inheritance in Paris and nothing was ever done to do it gracefully.  I'm not keen on reverting 223343.22:53
kevinbentonarmax: are you saying to just shut off all of the tests?22:53
armaxthe fact that we need a v2 makes fwaas unusable22:53
dougwigif we don't revert it, you could make a neutron WIP change that was the revert, and make fwaas work that isn't related to that particular bit Depends-On that, and get your jobs working again.22:53
kevinbentondougwig: but they can never merge that way22:54
dougwignot until the inheritance issue is resolved, no.22:54
armaxwhat I am  saying is that it should be possible to work on a patch that would change the existing architecture and as a result would fix the tests22:54
armaxsurely this means we can merge any changes that affect the server side for fwaas22:54
armaxso the question is: how long do you guys think that this agent side fix can be done?22:55
SridarKarmax: yes that can be worked on for sure - the first patch to merge will have to fix this22:55
SridarKarmax: we are trying to figure this out - but will need help from the L3 team22:55
armaxI am not opposed to the revert, all I am saying is that I am not sure the revert is gonna buy anything22:56
armaxSridarK: let me look into the failures22:56
armaxbut the RFE has definitely legs IMO22:56
SridarKarmax: ok the UT failures showing up are vendor stuff but the basic guts of fwaas is broken22:56
armaxdo you have a bug tracking the UT failures?22:56
njohnsto_armax: We can send you what we found about the errors22:57
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SridarKarmax: not yet will open one and link that to the RFE22:57
armaxwas ever the intention of preseving fwaas v1?22:57
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SridarKarmax: it seemed in discussions over M cycle it was felt there could some users so we decided to leave it alone for now22:57
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armaxthey can use Mitaka22:58
armax:)22:58
armaxbut I hear you22:58
SridarKarmax: ok we can may be discuss more offline too as we nearing the end22:58
SridarKarmax: thx22:58
armaxI suppose that if we want to keep the two approaches work side by side22:58
armaxthat’s a lot more involved22:58
carl_baldwinBuilding on dougwig 's thoughts.  Could fwaas repo use mitaka for tests?22:59
armaxcarl_baldwin: they could pin to stable/mitaka in their requirements file22:59
armaxbut I would cringe at the idea22:59
SridarKcarl_baldwin: hmm - yes ^^^ armax this may be the only thing that could work22:59
dougwigthat sounds like madness, since it gets shoved into the guts of neutron-server.  conflicting requirements.txt files22:59
armaxdougwig: indeed23:00
SridarK+123:00
armaxok, we’re at time, thanks we’ll continue offline23:00
armax#endmeeting23:00
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