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| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 09:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 09:32:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:32 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 09:32 |
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| BobBall | johnthetubaguy, jianghuaw_, huazhihao ping :) | 09:32 |
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| * johnthetubaguy waves | 09:32 | |
| jianghuaw_ | Good morning Bob and johnthetubaguy. | 09:33 |
| BobBall | Sorry for the late start all | 09:33 |
| BobBall | #topic Blueprints / Reviews | 09:33 |
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| BobBall | jianghuaw_: I guess the VGPU blueprint is up first? | 09:33 |
| jianghuaw_ | we got a +2 on the vgpu BP. | 09:34 |
| jianghuaw_ | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280099/ | 09:34 |
| BobBall | This is the one that you suggested looked reasonable but needed a closer check johnthetubaguy | 09:34 |
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| jianghuaw_ | yes. johnthetubaguy: could you have a check on it again. | 09:35 |
| BobBall | Any time you could give that to review it would be great | 09:35 |
| * BobBall would love to get the spec approved before the deadline... | 09:36 | |
| BobBall | which is approaching a lot faster than I thought it would | 09:36 |
| BobBall | It's worth pointing out that these specs are in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking in priority order | 09:36 |
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| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280099/7 - XenAPI: support VGPU via passthrough PCI | 09:37 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274045/5 - Xenapi: a new VDI store via streaming | 09:37 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304377/ - Xenerver compute driver support neutron security group | 09:37 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277452/ - XenAPI independent hypervisor (fixing interaction layer between Nova + Hypervisor) | 09:37 |
| BobBall | Please do let us know if there is anything we can do to give you more time to review these specs johnthetubaguy | 09:37 |
| huazhihao | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/bare-vhd-image | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: something to do with making days longer, would be awesome | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | for clarity, my current priorities are all the OSIC roadmap items | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | but as always, I am doing other reviews too | 09:39 |
| BobBall | So I've been thinking about the bare-vhd-image... we should talk about that huazhihao - I think we'd need Cinder changes too. | 09:39 |
| BobBall | OSIC priorities are certainly interesting; although I am concerned that much of them are focused around improving things for libvirt+kvm | 09:40 |
| huazhihao | Thanks | 09:40 |
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| BobBall | (or generic things of course) | 09:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: they are focusing on libvirt+kvm, yes | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | why cinder changes for the bare-vhd-image? | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | for the extracting images into volumes? | 09:41 |
| BobBall | Yes - I don't want to introduce another case where the type of image works for most things but not boot from snapshot | 09:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, its related to the longer term discussion around why cinder and nova both have their own code to talk to glance and download/extra images | 09:42 |
| BobBall | Very much | 09:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | os-brick like thing for glance, was my thinking | 09:43 |
| BobBall | Indeed | 09:44 |
| BobBall | OK - anything else we should cover on specs? | 09:44 |
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| BobBall | Awesome | 09:45 |
| BobBall | #topic Bugs | 09:45 |
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| BobBall | I don't think there are any new bugs that we care massively about, are there? | 09:46 |
| BobBall | The only important one I know of is https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1566622 - which Corey is working on | 09:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566622 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live migration fails with xenapi virt driver and SRs with old-style naming convention" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Corey Wright (coreywright) | 09:46 |
| BobBall | I'm going to take silence as a good thing :) | 09:47 |
| BobBall | #topic AOB | 09:47 |
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| BobBall | Is there anything else we need to cover? | 09:47 |
| jianghuaw_ | Again we need some cores help to review this change: | 09:47 |
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| jianghuaw_ | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242846/ | 09:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | this should now appear on the review dashboard that we are trying out | 09:48 |
| jianghuaw_ | Great. thanks. | 09:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess its still very much a prototype, but trying out new ways to raise these kinds of changes for people to look at | 09:49 |
| BobBall | First things first - johnthetubaguy - I know we talked about it before, but can you confirm you still agree this is a bugfix not a specless BP or similar? | 09:49 |
| BobBall | For a bugfix we have time but if it needs a BP then it's more urgent | 09:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: its a good question, its boarder line | 09:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: I was going to say raise a specless BP for this, but then that makes you run up against the non-priority feature freeze, and it is a bit bug fixey | 09:53 |
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| BobBall | Hopefully very bug fixey :) | 09:55 |
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| BobBall | Do you have a call on it johnthetubaguy? Or is that a question I should ask someone else? | 09:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its worth asking around for a second optinion | 09:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | opinion | 09:58 |
| BobBall | Is yours bugfix based on the above? | 09:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I think its OK as a bug fix | 10:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | mostly because its single virt impact anyways | 10:00 |
| BobBall | ok, thanks. | 10:00 |
| BobBall | Yeah, true | 10:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | reno can cover any details you need to communicate anyways | 10:00 |
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| BobBall | ok | 10:02 |
| BobBall | I think we're done | 10:02 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 10:02 |
| BobBall | Thanks all | 10:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 10:02:07 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-05-11-09.32.html | 10:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-05-11-09.32.txt | 10:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-05-11-09.32.log.html | 10:02 |
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| rluethi | #startmeeting training-labs | 10:34 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 10:34:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rluethi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:34 |
| julenl | rluethi, dguitarbite ? | 10:34 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:34 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 10:34 |
| rluethi | hi julenl | 10:35 |
| julenl | hi rluethi | 10:35 |
| rluethi | #topic pxe poc | 10:35 |
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| rluethi | so, how's the pxe poc going? | 10:36 |
| julenl | I just made the blueprint | 10:36 |
| rluethi | cool | 10:36 |
| rluethi | link? | 10:36 |
| julenl | it's been on standby for a while... I have to get back to it | 10:36 |
| julenl | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/pxe-server-osbash | 10:36 |
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| julenl | is it good? | 10:37 |
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| rluethi | I don't know, but I will read it | 10:39 |
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| rluethi | May be a bit terse. | 10:41 |
| rluethi | But I don't claim to be an expert, most features we did without a blueprint. | 10:41 |
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| rluethi | Blueprints are very helpful in teams that are bigger than ours. | 10:42 |
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| rluethi | We usually had several discussions with all team members :). | 10:43 |
| rluethi | Any progress on the implementation side? Major roadblocks? | 10:43 |
| julenl | yes... but Pranav suggested me to do it | 10:43 |
| julenl | not from my side.. I have been quite busy since Austin | 10:44 |
| rluethi | It's good to do things by the book at least sometimes. | 10:44 |
| rluethi | Yeah, me too. | 10:44 |
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| rluethi | I looked into providing an additional network interface config: PXE. | 10:45 |
| rluethi | Patch is not done yet, but it should not pose major problems. | 10:45 |
| julenl | If I don't remember wrong, I think that the only things I am missing for the pxe, are to fix something on the kickstart file and figure out how to do the bridged interface in the right way | 10:46 |
| julenl | yes, I think so too | 10:46 |
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| rluethi | It is just something we need to be able to automate the whole process. | 10:47 |
| julenl | certainly | 10:47 |
| rluethi | And we need that to enable automated testing of the PXE environment. | 10:47 |
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| julenl | sure | 10:47 |
| rluethi | are you going to work on PXE in the forseeable future? | 10:47 |
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| julenl | I was trying to use it to try to start a VM on another computer, using my home network. But it's tricky with the dhcp (my router does not allow to shut down the dhcp server) | 10:48 |
| julenl | I like the idea... | 10:49 |
| julenl | and it doesn't seem to involve much maintenance | 10:49 |
| julenl | once the server is ready, the rest is built from the existing code | 10:49 |
| rluethi | for testing it would be ideal if we could run the whole thing on one computer. | 10:50 |
| julenl | sure | 10:50 |
| julenl | also for the CI tools | 10:50 |
| rluethi | of course, we would still have to test with several computers occasionally. | 10:50 |
| rluethi | exactly. | 10:50 |
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| julenl | so, about the blueprint... should I add/remove something? | 10:51 |
| rluethi | I cannot claim that I know if or how it should be changed. | 10:53 |
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| rluethi | Maybe Pranav knows. | 10:53 |
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| rluethi | If in doubt, write the code. | 10:53 |
| julenl | well.. it does have a little bit of context and it explains a more or less in which direction I am trying to go | 10:54 |
| rluethi | Yes. | 10:54 |
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| rluethi | And we can always have all hands meetings to discuss everything. | 10:54 |
| julenl | but yeah... the blueprints don't provide any working functionality :P | 10:54 |
| rluethi | But a PoC is very useful to find out if a feature makes sense, what it can be used for and how it should be implemented. | 10:55 |
| rluethi | You know, something to play with. | 10:55 |
| rluethi | It helps with thinking :). | 10:55 |
| julenl | hey! and that blueprint of yours for the public cloud... it totally rocks! :D | 10:55 |
| rluethi | yeah. the only blueprint I ever wrote, and one of the few features that I talked about without ever implementing it. | 10:56 |
| rluethi | draw your own conclusions. | 10:56 |
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| rluethi | anyhow, any other points you would like to discuss? | 10:58 |
| julenl | hmm... | 10:58 |
| julenl | I don't think so | 10:58 |
| julenl | I'll try to get further with the PXE thing this week | 10:58 |
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| rluethi | sound good. | 10:58 |
| julenl | ... otherwise, I think I'm good | 10:59 |
| rluethi | if you have any questions, let me know :) | 10:59 |
| julenl | sure! Thank you :) | 10:59 |
| rluethi | have a good rest of the week! | 10:59 |
| rluethi | #endmeeting | 10:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 10:59:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-05-11-10.34.html | 10:59 |
| julenl | thanks! you too | 10:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-05-11-10.34.txt | 10:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-05-11-10.34.log.html | 10:59 |
| julenl | bye | 10:59 |
| rluethi | bye | 10:59 |
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| Ronghui | ：） | 12:55 |
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| joehuang | HELLO | 12:55 |
| Ronghui | hello | 12:55 |
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| Yipei | hello | 12:57 |
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| joehuang | hi | 12:59 |
| joehuang | let's start the meeting of tricircle | 12:59 |
| zhiyuan__ | ok | 12:59 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 13:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:00 |
| joehuang | hello | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
| Ronghui | #info Ronghui | 13:01 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:01 |
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| zhiyuan__ | #info zhiyuan | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #topic L2 networking | 13:02 |
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| Ronghui | please wait for Xiongqiu | 13:03 |
| joehuang | we have several round review and spec update | 13:03 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:03 |
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| Ronghui | he is comming | 13:04 |
| lxq | hi | 13:04 |
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| lxq | sorry | 13:04 |
| lxq | i forgot it | 13:04 |
| joehuang | welcome | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | just found that the spec is updated | 13:05 |
| Ronghui | he is trying to solove the problem of patch | 13:05 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | would like to know whether there is somethine still not clear | 13:06 |
| joehuang | in cross pod L2 networking | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304540/9/specs/cross-pod-l2-networking.rst | 13:07 |
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| Ronghui | we are trying to write some simple test and it will help us to understanding quickly | 13:08 |
| lxq | i will try to write shared VLAN and local network | 13:08 |
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| joehuang | great, good to start from test cases | 13:09 |
| lxq | :), i will. | 13:09 |
| joehuang | shared VLAN and local network are easy to get onboard | 13:10 |
| joehuang | #info start from test cases, and shared VLAN, local network | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | the commit message seems will lead to some comments | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | if you remember that fengpan has already comment on this description | 13:11 |
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| Ronghui | i forget the format of commit | 13:12 |
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| Ronghui | so update the spec for 4 times. sorry | 13:12 |
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| joehuang | it's not unusaual :) | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304540/5/specs/cross-pod-l2-networking.rst | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | I suggest you update the commit message to stress on no cross OpenStack L2 networking automation yet | 13:15 |
| Ronghui | ok | 13:15 |
| zhiyuan__ | I found some trailing space in the spec | 13:15 |
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| Ronghui | i will update as soon as possible | 13:16 |
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| joehuang | I have one idea on the development of cross pod L2 networking feature | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | how about to have a work group, just like DVR feature developed in Neutron | 13:17 |
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| lxq | a work group? what does it mean? | 13:18 |
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| joehuang | several engineers working on the same big feature, just like DVR and cross pod L2 networking | 13:19 |
| Ronghui | u mean create a network group just that service for work group | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | it's a virtual team | 13:20 |
| joehuang | virtual sub-team | 13:20 |
| joehuang | more exactly | 13:20 |
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| lxq | how it works? | 13:20 |
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| joehuang | more frequent discussion inside the sub-team, and one sub-team leader to lead the development | 13:22 |
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| lxq_ | my net is unstable | 13:23 |
| joehuang | understand | 13:23 |
| zhiyuan__ | members in work group still discuss in #openstack-tricircle? | 13:24 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:24 |
| joehuang | and daily regular meeting inside the sub-team | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | to discuss what's the challenge, how to solve it | 13:25 |
| zhiyuan__ | i see. do we need to publish the discussion in #openstack-tricircle? | 13:25 |
| lxq_ | it sounds good | 13:26 |
| joehuang | it's encouraged to do so, we are open community | 13:26 |
| zhiyuan__ | not sure if we can config #openstack-tricircle to use meeting-robot | 13:27 |
| joehuang | yes, weekly meeting is too long to wait for feature development | 13:27 |
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| joehuang | understanding your concerns | 13:27 |
| zhiyuan__ | the idea of running work group is greate | 13:27 |
| zhiyuan__ | s/greate/great | 13:28 |
| joehuang | or use etherpad for persistence | 13:28 |
| zhiyuan__ | i prefer etherpad :) | 13:28 |
| joehuang | etherpad also support online chat | 13:28 |
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| lxq_ | we can discuss the network featrue step by step in work group | 13:29 |
| Ronghui | prefer etherpad | 13:29 |
| joehuang | of course, if the team discuss in daily basis | 13:29 |
| lxq_ | agree with zhiyuan | 13:29 |
| joehuang | #info to setup a working group( virtual sub-team ) for cross pod L2 networking | 13:30 |
| lxq_ | etherpad is good for me,xchat is unstable | 13:30 |
| Yipei | etherpad+1 | 13:30 |
| Ronghui | same situation for me | 13:31 |
| joehuang | #info use etherpad for daily meeting, time is suggested not to longer than one hour | 13:31 |
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| Yipei | how to get informed? through mail or channel #openstack-tricircle? | 13:31 |
| zhiyuan__ | send a mail to schedule a time? | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | I would recommend Zhiyuan as the virtual sub-team leader for the cross pod L2 networking | 13:32 |
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| lxq_ | ok | 13:32 |
| joehuang | yes, publish it in the maillist | 13:32 |
| Ronghui | great | 13:32 |
| Yipei | +1 | 13:32 |
| zhiyuan__ | not all members are in the meeting currently | 13:32 |
| joehuang | and the sub-team is also open | 13:32 |
| joehuang | if you want to submit patch for cross pod L2 networking | 13:32 |
| joehuang | than just join the sub-team daily meeting, and work on patch, and discuss | 13:33 |
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| zhiyuan__ | i am going to attend OSCON next week so it may impact the daily meeting | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | we don't close the door for others to contribute | 13:33 |
| joehuang | it's ok, you are free to set the schedule | 13:34 |
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| joehuang | if nothing to discuss, you can close the meeting quickly, may be one second | 13:35 |
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| joehuang | #info Zhiyuan as the virtual sub-team leader of cross pod L2 networking | 13:36 |
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| Yipei | i do not understand why we need to store historical pod binding records | 13:36 |
| Yipei | i think store current active ones is enough | 13:37 |
| joehuang | Zhiyuan, if you feel you have no time for the meeting, you can cancel one | 13:37 |
| joehuang | it's for histroial retrospect | 13:37 |
| joehuang | it can be added later | 13:38 |
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| zhiyuan__ | ok, since i need some time to prepare the talk in OSCON | 13:38 |
| joehuang | you know that in internet, everything is recorded | 13:38 |
| Yipei | got it, i think maybe we can store then in another table | 13:38 |
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| Yipei | instead of storing them with active ones | 13:39 |
| joehuang | to zhiyuan, no problem. You don't have to do it immediatly, it's just one idea to run this feature | 13:39 |
| lxq_ | when is the record deleted? | 13:39 |
| joehuang | for deleted record, only tag is marked, the record is still there | 13:39 |
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| zhiyuan__ | i see | 13:40 |
| joehuang | to Yipei, it could be like that | 13:40 |
| joehuang | it would be better to record start time and end time | 13:41 |
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| Yipei | ok, got it. i will take it into consideration in the future | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | ok, so for dynamic pod binding, Yipei has prepared a lot | 13:42 |
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| Yipei | i think i still need to understand more details, i will send mail to you guys for help | 13:44 |
| joehuang | #info store historical pod binding information for retrospect, and including start, end time | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | you are active in m-l, very good | 13:45 |
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| joehuang | to zhiyuan, how many features lack to pass some basic tempest test | 13:45 |
| joehuang | still lack | 13:45 |
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| lxq_ | ... what does m-l mean? :) | 13:46 |
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| Yipei | mailing-list | 13:47 |
| lxq_ | thanks | 13:47 |
| zhiyuan__ | to pass server-create test, we need to improve server controller to support more parameters like admin-pass, key-pair | 13:47 |
| zhiyuan__ | and server-group which i am working on | 13:47 |
| joehuang | seems a lot of work | 13:48 |
| zhiyuan__ | we also lack many server action operation | 13:48 |
| joehuang | I can try to fix some server actions | 13:48 |
| joehuang | and volume actions | 13:49 |
| joehuang | ok any other topics? | 13:50 |
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| joehuang | so let's end the meeting | 13:50 |
| Yipei | no for me | 13:50 |
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| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 13:50:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-05-11-13.00.html | 13:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-05-11-13.00.txt | 13:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-05-11-13.00.log.html | 13:51 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:51 |
| Yipei | bye | 13:51 |
| Ronghui | bye | 13:51 |
| lxq_ | bye :) | 13:51 |
| zhiyuan__ | bye | 13:51 |
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| Zara | anybody about for the illustrious storyboard meeting? | 15:01 |
| SotK | o/ | 15:01 |
| betherly | o/ | 15:01 |
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| Zara | I guess I'm chairing it... | 15:01 |
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| Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 15:01:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:02 |
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| Zara | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
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| Zara | I have three things! | 15:02 |
| Zara | 1, and most urgent-- The next StoryBoard meetup is next Monday! | 15:02 |
| Zara | The 16th May! | 15:02 |
| Zara | Manchester, UK! | 15:02 |
| Zara | standby while I find more info! | 15:02 |
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| Zara | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Milestone_1_Meetup | 15:03 |
| Zara | That's the wiki page | 15:03 |
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| Zara | which links to this etherpad, which I'm also going to link, just because | 15:03 |
| Zara | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/StoryBoard_Newton_sprint | 15:03 |
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| Zara | some of that is copypasted from the last one | 15:04 |
| Zara | hm | 15:04 |
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| Zara | It should get updated over the remainder of this week | 15:04 |
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| Zara | and as always, feel free to add things! | 15:04 |
| * SotK looks forward to cake and storyboard | 15:05 | |
| * Zara hopes for cake and steak | 15:05 | |
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| Zara | I mean st*oryboard* | 15:05 |
| * betherly is super sad cant be there | 15:05 | |
| Zara | next time! | 15:05 |
| Zara | yeah, it also clashes with OSCON, we're masters at this | 15:05 |
| Zara | anyone have anything else to say on that? | 15:06 |
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| SotK | _o_ | 15:06 |
| Zara | Announcement 2, then: newish feature (actually merged just before summit, but got lost in summit frenzy) | 15:06 |
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| Zara | automatic worklists in boards! | 15:06 |
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| Zara | we should be able to go into that more at the meetup | 15:07 |
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| Zara | it does what it says on the tin, but demos are always handy :) | 15:08 |
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| Zara | Announcement 3: brand new feature! | 15:08 |
| Zara | Private stories! | 15:08 |
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| Zara | You can now make a story private, and whitelist users that can view it. | 15:08 |
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| Zara | This is very new so I'd recommend against putting anything super sensitive in one immediately | 15:09 |
| SotK | people should play with them though | 15:09 |
| Zara | yes. story here: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000568 | 15:09 |
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| Zara | and thank you SotK for working so hard on this | 15:10 |
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| Zara | especially at the summit! | 15:10 |
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| Zara | we need people to play with them in order to find all the leaks; we've done a lot of testing but we always miss things, so... I guess it's in beta | 15:10 |
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| betherly | woot | 15:10 |
| * SotK will be surprised if there are leaks :) | 15:10 | |
| betherly | will take a look and play around as i go. looks awesome though | 15:11 |
| Zara | I hope you don't get surprised then! :D I'm fine with being shown to be too pessimistic. :) | 15:11 |
| Zara | but yeah, those should be useful for reporting security vulnerabilities in the future | 15:12 |
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| Zara | I'll move on, unless we've missed an annoucement | 15:13 |
| Zara | oh, I guess | 15:13 |
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| Zara | #info search is throwing errors on storyboard.openstack.org, but it's a known bug and SotK fixed it this afternoon | 15:14 |
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| Zara | so we're just waiting for the relevant change to be merged and to build | 15:14 |
| Zara | s.o.o was using an old version of sqlalchemy fulltext search, for the curious | 15:15 |
| Zara | so thanks again SotK for that | 15:15 |
| Zara | s.o.o should be normal again in a few hours, fingers crossed | 15:15 |
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| Zara | okay, I think *that*'s everything | 15:16 |
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| Zara | #topic Urgent Items | 15:16 |
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| Zara | anything? | 15:16 |
| Zara | the search fix was the only thing I had marked 'urgent', and we got reviews for that quickly (thanks, persia!) | 15:16 |
| * SotK doesn't think there is anything | 15:17 | |
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| Zara | okay | 15:17 |
| Zara | 'LOTS OF CAKES NEEDED FOR MEETUP, VERY URGENT' | 15:17 |
| Zara | moving on | 15:18 |
| Zara | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:18 |
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| * SotK will try to cause cake to be generated over the weekend :) | 15:18 | |
| Zara | :d | 15:18 |
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| Zara | SotK: I put 'complex priorities-- SotK' on the agenda for inprogress work, but I may have missed things | 15:19 |
| Zara | so over to you! | 15:19 |
| SotK | I sent a patch for this that you don't like, we can discuss that after :) | 15:19 |
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| Zara | heehee | 15:19 |
| SotK | I'm also in the process of fixing merge conflicts/improving the old api patches for this | 15:20 |
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| Zara | yeah, I don't have a problem with the overall approach, I just don't like that particular ux for it, but +1 to discussing after. | 15:20 |
| Zara | and yes, thank you for those | 15:20 |
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| Zara | #info SotK is working on visulasing complex priorities, and better worklist+board filtering | 15:21 |
| Zara | erm, visualising | 15:21 |
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| SotK | you can #undo and do it again I think | 15:21 |
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| Zara | hm, I'm not sure of the exact command | 15:22 |
| SotK | I'm pretty sure it is `#undo` | 15:22 |
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| Zara | #undo | 15:23 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0xad3f850> | 15:23 |
| Zara | hah, just looked it up before I saw that | 15:23 |
| Zara | oh well | 15:23 |
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| Zara | #info SotK is working on visualising complex priorities, and better worklist+board filtering | 15:23 |
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| Zara | there you go | 15:23 |
| Zara | #info Zara is working on creating operator docs for StoryBoard, so people can spin up instances fast | 15:23 |
| Zara | we get a lot of requests for playground instances | 15:23 |
| Zara | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000535 | 15:24 |
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| Zara | I looked at ansible yesterday, hit dead end, trying puppet today | 15:24 |
| Zara | well, in theory. I got distracted by other review | 15:24 |
| Zara | so that might end up being tomorrow | 15:24 |
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| Zara | next thing on the list | 15:25 |
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| Zara | betherly: I have 'flowy tutorial' down as your inprogress work, but I'm not sure how that's going, while I know you patched other UX fails earlier this week | 15:25 |
| betherly | i am in the process of splitting out some of my work so that the initial patch will literally just be html fragments and something that could actually be merged and still look ok before all the awesome cool other stuff works. also will make the reviewing of it all less painful and less 'oh my days how many lines of code'. sorry havent made much progress | 15:25 |
| betherly | really since disaster #1, decided to focus storyboard wise on more 'fun' (minor) things like that placeholder issue. less depressing ;) | 15:25 |
| Zara | so.. over to you! | 15:25 |
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| Zara | (haha I was too slow) | 15:26 |
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| betherly | hehe | 15:26 |
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| Zara | np, I'm glad someone finally got around to those placeholders! | 15:26 |
| Zara | thanks for those | 15:26 |
| betherly | so basically, there will be something rather than nothing there in the next week but still not a fully functional all bells and whistles doodle bug | 15:26 |
| SotK | something is better than nothing :) | 15:27 |
| SotK | thanks for the placeholders patch btw! | 15:27 |
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| Zara | yup :) | 15:27 |
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| betherly | woot! | 15:28 |
| betherly | yay for patches that do a bit more than documentation :D | 15:28 |
| Zara | given I still haven't managed to patch ops docs, you're winning! :D | 15:28 |
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| Zara | anything else in-progress I've forgotten? | 15:28 |
| SotK | not that I can think of off the top of my head | 15:29 |
| Zara | (aside from the million ongoing threads that don't warrant a mention because they're always there, haha) | 15:29 |
| betherly | eating cake? | 15:29 |
| Zara | pfft, that's next monday | 15:29 |
| Zara | if you eat cake before then, YOU DIE | 15:29 |
| betherly | nah its in-progress here | 15:29 |
| betherly | whaaaaat | 15:29 |
| betherly | :'( | 15:29 |
| Zara | sorry :/ | 15:29 |
| Zara | no discussion topics listed | 15:29 |
| Zara | so... | 15:30 |
| Zara | #topic Open Discussion | 15:30 |
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| Zara | DISCUSS | 15:30 |
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| Zara | :< | 15:32 |
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| Zara | well, following up on summit things... has anyone heard anything from the product working group? | 15:33 |
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| * SotK has not | 15:33 | |
| Zara | hm, I haven't either; perhaps someone should poke them on their ML or somesuch. | 15:33 |
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| Zara | silence suggests that one's all mine | 15:34 |
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| Zara | #action Zara will prod PWG | 15:34 |
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| betherly | yay Zara! :) | 15:35 |
| SotK | thanks :) | 15:35 |
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| Zara | oh, actually, we've talked about it in channel but not here | 15:38 |
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| Zara | infra's task-tracking spec is in progress! | 15:38 |
| SotK | \o/ | 15:39 |
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| Zara | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314185/ | 15:39 |
| Zara | I keep meaning to comment and getting sidetracked | 15:39 |
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| Zara | I'm not sure if line 135 is applicable any more with private stories, or if a more advanced implementation of ACLs is envisioned. | 15:40 |
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| Zara | hm, doesn't seem to be an option to link to a line | 15:41 |
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| Zara | and... I should've linked that spec properly for the logs | 15:41 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314185/ | 15:41 |
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| SotK | Zara: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314185/2/specs/task-tracker.rst@135 | 15:42 |
| Zara | ooh, cool, didn't know that | 15:42 |
| Zara | evidently | 15:42 |
| Zara | I tried clicking '135' but it just gave option to comment | 15:42 |
| Zara | ace | 15:42 |
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| SotK | I have no idea how to do it without manually creating the url :) | 15:43 |
| Zara | heh | 15:43 |
| Zara | anyway, yeah, I think it may be a good time to see how far the 'project teams' feature got, to see if we can use it for future ACL work. | 15:44 |
| Zara | but that's just a background investigation... | 15:44 |
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| SotK | yeah, we should do that at some point | 15:44 |
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| Zara | things that fell by the wayside a bit the last few weeks were the python client updates (inc. from gerrit) | 15:45 |
| Zara | that's because I was working on it, then I had things to review :) | 15:46 |
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| Zara | oh, looking at teams in the db schema, the api side looks promising (there are teams, team_permission and team_membership). erm, sorry to jump around (got the schema out to see python client things) | 15:47 |
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| SotK | yeah, they seem to be implemented in the api | 15:49 |
| SotK | idk how much they work | 15:49 |
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| Zara | yeah, the db side looks similar to other things at a glance, but I have no idea beyond that \o/ | 15:49 |
| Zara | eh, future things | 15:49 |
| Zara | I have a bunch of old patches in review that I hope to go back to since many need reworks | 15:50 |
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| Zara | so hoping to get to that next | 15:50 |
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| Zara | anything else? | 15:55 |
| SotK | _o_ | 15:55 |
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| Zara | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 15:58:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-05-11-15.01.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-05-11-15.01.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-05-11-15.01.log.html | 15:58 |
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| Zara | thanks, all | 15:58 |
| SotK | thanks Zara | 15:58 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 16:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:00 |
| kmartin | hi | 16:00 |
| adrianofr | hi | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Howdy | 16:00 |
| fernnest | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Courtesy ping: dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir | 16:00 |
| scottda | hola | 16:00 |
| baumann1 | Hello! | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: thanks | 16:00 |
| xyang | hi | 16:00 |
| aimeeu | hi all | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Happy Wednesday! | 16:00 |
| rajinir | hi | 16:00 |
| ntpttr_ | hi! | 16:00 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:00 |
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| hemna | yough | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Hey everyone. Looks like a short agenda today. | 16:01 |
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| yuriy_n17 | Hi | 16:01 |
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| Swanson | Hello | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| * thingee has a doc appt today. gave update on action stuff in #openstack-cinder | 16:01 | |
| cFouts | hi | 16:01 |
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| sheel | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Thanks! | 16:01 |
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| e0ne | according to the agenda, it should it a fast meeting, I guess | 16:02 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | We are now on week R-21 of the Newton cycle. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html Release schedule | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Good progress so far I think. | 16:02 |
| mtanino | hi | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I've been seeing a lot of spec reviews. Keep it up. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Great to get eyes on those so we can get them updated and approved earlier. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Spec reviews | 16:03 |
| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:03 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | And just a mention... | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW&field.tag=volumes Nova volume bugs | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | They can always use help triaging and fixing there. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | In case anyone missed it, midcycle was (re)set last week. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | We are now overlapping with Nova, for better or worse. | 16:04 |
| hemna | smcginnis, probably should update the ML thread ? | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | We should be able to do a midcycle-to-midcycle link. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: Trying to look that up and type at the same time. ;) | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cinder-midcycle Midcycle Etherpad | 16:05 |
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| hemna | :) | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093637.html Midcycle Announcement | 16:06 |
| scottda | There are discounted rooms available, but there is not a block of rooms reserved, so book now! | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Thanks for the reminder. I still need to do that. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | Any other announcements I've missed? | 16:06 |
| hemna | maybe I'll just bring a tent and camp at estes Park and commute every day to save on hotel..... | 16:06 |
| hemna | :P | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | hemna: That sounds good to me. | 16:06 |
| scottda | Also, if you call any other hotel than the one listed, feel free to mention you are with Hewlett-Packard and you might get a discount. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Did that following the last midcycle there. | 16:07 |
| hemna | yah works for me | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:07 |
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| hemna | I've been seeing lots of CI failures in os-brick CIs | 16:08 |
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| Swanson | Is tbarron done forcing 10k rebases? | 16:08 |
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| hemna | EMC, HP, etc | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | thingee is working on this, but want to just mention again here that we discussed requiring CI for backup drivers. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Specifically on OS-brick? | 16:08 |
| hemna | would be nice if we can get those CI's working so we can get some of the os-brick patches to land | 16:08 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: +2 on CI for backup drivers | 16:08 |
| tbarron | Swanson: done | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | CI's on the Cinder repo aren't doing so hot either. | 16:08 |
| hemna | dunno, might not be specific to os-brick | 16:08 |
| xyang | hemna: I’ll take a look of EMC ones | 16:08 |
| hemna | xyang, ok thanks | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #info CI will become a requirement for backup drivers | 16:09 |
| hemna | I tried issuing rechecks on them this morning | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | The one issue I see with the backup driver CIs is we really don't have much tempest coverage there right now. | 16:09 |
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| tbarron | smcginnis: do we know what tests we are going to run for backup CI? | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | So if someone is looking for something to do, I think our test coverage could be expanded on backups. | 16:09 |
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| Swanson | tbarron: Excellent. Appreciated and hated all at the same time. | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | tbarron: So far I think we only have two. | 16:09 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: I'll ask our QA team for it. maybe they will be able to contribute on it | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | tempest.api.volume.admin.test_volumes_backup.VolumesBackupsV[1|2]Test | 16:10 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: so I think we should be looking at benefit vs cost here until we have useful tests | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: That would be great. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | I haven't looked into the full scope of these tests. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | It could very well be they are covering most operations in the one test. | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | But gut feel is there should be more there. | 16:10 |
| e0ne | tbarron: we have to test at least what we have right now | 16:11 |
| tbarron | also, most of the drivers are non-vendor-specific | 16:11 |
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| tbarron | so we'll need to arrange with infra to get them run, right? | 16:11 |
| geguileo | We should be testing that backuped data is actually there | 16:11 |
| e0ne | tbarron: in such case, they could be tested with infra | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Yeah, open source solutions should be covered by infra. We will need to look in to that. | 16:11 |
| e0ne | geguileo: good point | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | Backup with encrypted volumes, incremental backups, etc. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Any other topics? | 16:12 |
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| tbarron | my only point is that this will be a difft flavor CI for the most part than volume drivers, where we're mailing vendors to tell them to implement | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Yes, true. | 16:13 |
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| tbarron | except for IBM TSM :) | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | Google cloud storage will need it as well. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: What do you mean? | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else? | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Going once... | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Going twice... | 16:16 |
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| _alastor_ | Is there a doc somewhere about this new CI? | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | _alastor_: Not yet. It is in the works. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | I just wanted to mention it here so it's no surprise. | 16:16 |
| _alastor_ | Ok, glad I haven't missed it | 16:16 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: it's the only vendor backup driver, right? | 16:16 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I've just send them a mail about CI | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Cool | 16:16 |
| e0ne | pleeease, merge https://review.openstack.org/265811 :) | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Oh, one other mention. Please run against os-brick patches as well. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Especially if you have a vendor specific connector. | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | tbarron: There are other vendor backup drivers. | 16:17 |
| xyang | smcginnis: the os-brick CI is not yet required, right? | 16:17 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: i stand corrected then | 16:17 |
| e0ne | no updates from April 6th, and it makes my ralated patches chain longer | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Not yet | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron:The Google one as well. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | But I think we want to get there too. | 16:17 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: they are just a bit player :-) | 16:18 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: point taken | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Test all the things! :) | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: :-) | 16:18 |
| xyang | smcginnis: when? Ocata? | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Yeah, probably. That seems like it would be a reasonable timeframe to me. | 16:18 |
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| xyang | smcginnis: about the backup driver CI, is the requirement to have one in Newton? | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | xyang: TBD. | 16:19 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: is this deadline are the same for both for os-brick and backups CIs? | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | xyang: I'm thinking since it's a new requirement, we probably can't make it a hard requirement until O. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: So probably both O given timing and such. | 16:20 |
| xyang | smcginnis: makes sense | 16:20 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: Yeah probably not, though ideally as soon as possible :) | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: +1 | 16:20 |
| eharney | Newton is going to be hard for people with backup drivers that don't have a volume driver CI yet | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I agree. | 16:20 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: ok. sounds reasonable to me | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | So I'd like to see vendors aware of it and working toward it in N so that by O we can make it a hard requirement. | 16:20 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I'll prepare a manual how to set up ci for backups. it should be easy done based on cinder 3rd party ci docs | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: That would help a lot! | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Mike is planning on contact them, so make sure he is aware of anything you write up. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | That could be very useful. | 16:21 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: ok, thanks | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Anything else? | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone! | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you! | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 16:22:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-05-11-16.00.html | 16:22 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-05-11-16.00.txt | 16:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-05-11-16.00.log.html | 16:22 |
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| geguileo | thanks | 16:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks :) | 16:23 |
| e0ne | see you next week | 16:23 |
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| michael-zte-4 | Goodbye eveybody. Good night. | 16:24 |
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| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 17:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:00 |
| [1]cdearborn | o/ | 17:00 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | experiencing technical difficulties with soft-phone :( | 17:01 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | Hmmm | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | Oh maybe working now! | 17:01 |
| cinerama | is anyone on the call yet? | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | Bridge: +1 512-808-5750 | 17:02 |
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| sambetts | o/ | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | Conference #: 6555 | 17:02 |
| cinerama | cool i can hear people now | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | So conducting it with the conference call now | 17:02 |
| keedya | hello 0/ | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | As always the agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | #topic Grenade | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Grenade (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:03 | |
| jlvillal | #info https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:03 |
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| vdrok | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279313/ | 17:07 |
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| vdrok | it's keedya i THINK | 17:09 |
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| wajdi | The conference code does not seem to be working for me. | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | wajdi: What kind of error? | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | A bunch of us are in. | 17:10 |
| wajdi | invalid access code | 17:10 |
| wajdi | *not a valid conference number* | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | 6555 ? | 17:11 |
| wajdi | yup | 17:11 |
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| wajdi | dialing in to 512-808-5750 | 17:11 |
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| vdrok | using ring, calling in 6555@pbx.openstack.org works for me | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI | 17:12 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "3rd Party CI (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:12 | |
| jlvillal | wajdi: Are you in the US? | 17:12 |
| wajdi | Canada. It worked for me last week | 17:12 |
| wajdi | I used hangouts to dial in. it worked fine. | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | Okay. Maybe an infra issue? | 17:13 |
| wajdi | Yeah. Definitely isolated to my end | 17:13 |
| wajdi | I'll try to figure out how to get on through another way. All good. Thanks. | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | wajdi: You might ask over in #openstack-infra? | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | Make sure that they don't need to pay their phone bill. | 17:13 |
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| krtaylor | #info need to discuss at some point in the near future, requirements and configuration for "verified" | 17:18 |
| krtaylor | #topic open discussion | 17:19 |
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| sambetts | #info Cisco Third Party CI info in krtaylor's table is wrong and needs updating, we are commenting and have been posting real results for a while | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | thanks sambetts | 17:19 |
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| krtaylor | does my #info capture your point on verified action? | 17:20 |
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| sambetts | krtaylor: thanks for reminding me, and yeah that about covers it :) | 17:20 |
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| krtaylor | hm, topic change didn't work, jlvillal may need to re-post these to get them to show up in the log | 17:21 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Open Discussion | 17:21 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: You don't have the power | 17:21 |
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| krtaylor | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304683/ | 17:22 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304683/ | 17:22 |
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| vdrok | jlvillal: http://logs.openstack.org/98/309198/7/gate/gate-grenade-dsvm/5e95774/logs/old/localrc.txt.gz - seems the same thing, ceilometer in enabled services, but not enabled in fact, as there is no enable_plugin | 17:22 |
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| jlvillal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304683/15/nodepool/molteniron/createDB.py | 17:24 |
| krtaylor | #info MoltenIron a tool to manage a pool physical test machines we started as a part of our CI testing on Power | 17:24 |
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| jlvillal | vdrok: thanks | 17:30 |
| krtaylor | thanks! | 17:31 |
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| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 17:31:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-05-11-17.00.html | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-05-11-17.00.txt | 17:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-05-11-17.00.log.html | 17:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 19:01:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 19:01 |
| njohnston | o/ | 19:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | Hello! Anyone here for the US docs meeting? | 19:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi njohnston! | 19:01 |
| njohnston | Hello ShillaSaebi | 19:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hellooooo | 19:02 |
| strigazi | o/ | 19:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | anyone home? | 19:02 |
| njohnston | ShillaSaebi and I are here | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello everyone | 19:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you for joining | 19:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | lets go ahead and get started | 19:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 19:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | welp I cant think of any | 19:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | its been a while | 19:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | Am i missing any action items? if so let me know | 19:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah we had the summit and such so I don't think there were any | 19:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | action item... survive summit. | 19:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | but I just want to make sure | 19:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes exactly | 19:04 |
| njohnston | Sam-I-Am: +1 | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | hopefully everyone is alive and well, survived and back to normal lives | 19:04 |
| strigazi | Is there an agenda for today's meeting? | 19:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specs in review | 19:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 19:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | strigazi: there should be | 19:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | hopefully its been updated | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | strigazi yes the agenda is posted on the docs wiki for meetinsg | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | one second ill grab the link | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | please take a look at the specs in review | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | There's one in there for the architecture guide by Shaun OMeara | 19:05 |
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| strigazi | One is mine | 19:06 |
| strigazi | but I'll abandon it since 301284 is merged | 19:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok strigazi looks like the next step was to abandon right | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | that sounds good | 19:07 |
| strigazi | I pushed today in our repo (magnum) and wait for the newton install-guide spec | 19:07 |
| strigazi | To be finalized | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | that sounds good | 19:08 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok next topic | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specialty Teams | 19:09 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 19:09 |
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| ShillaSaebi | the specialty team reports should be updated to the Etherpad above | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | if we have leads that want to discuss anything further for the specialty teams or anything to share, that would be great | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | feel free | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | the notes I put in for the ops/arch guide specialty team are pretty extensive, ask questions if you need to though | 19:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, i'm just chugging along with the networking guide | 19:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | hopefully get more time to work on it since i'm not involved in the install guide | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes! | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | and Edgar mentioned that the meeting wasn't held so we'll know more next time | 19:11 |
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| ShillaSaebi | :) | 19:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else on the specialty teams? | 19:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | newp | 19:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone else want to add any details or notes ? | 19:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok I don't have anything else on them either | 19:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | i have some other stuff, but not specialty team related | 19:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok our agenda is pretty light today so we will have time | 19:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so is attendance, something i wish we could fix | 19:13 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah I thought with the time change being more convenient, we'd have more join | 19:14 |
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| shauno__ | I would like to chat about the arch-guide blueprint if possible? | 19:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | the reminders are hit or miss | 19:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | sure | 19:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | let me grab the newton etherpad to share | 19:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | and then we can do an open discussion | 19:14 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin-docs-newtonplan | 19:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi | here is the newton planning etherpad | 19:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | i just wanted to share that, in case you didn't go to the summit | 19:15 |
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| ShillaSaebi | I don't have anything else on that topic we can certainly move to an open discussion | 19:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ok | 19:16 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok anyone have any questions before we open up the discussion? | 19:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | going once | 19:16 |
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| ShillaSaebi | going twice | 19:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok #topic Open Discussion | 19:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 19:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | so... | 19:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | i spoke with a bunch of devs at the summit, trying to determine the reason for slim contributions to central docs | 19:17 |
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| Sam-I-Am | docbook used to be the primary problem, and i think that has permanently scared a number of projects/devs away | 19:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | as much as we try, they're not coming back | 19:17 |
| Sam-I-Am | now we're using rst, so what's the problem? | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | im not sure | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | do they know we changed | 19:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | turns out they're not happy with the review process. its often cumbersome and slow, and most of them just want to push the content and move on. | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | have we communicated that to them? | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | ohhh | 19:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think they do, but i'm not entirely sure | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | I can see that | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | sometimes we nitpick on grammar and spelling | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | but we need the content | 19:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | problem is, it takes a LOT of effort to fix several years of frustration | 19:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | maybe we can just take the content then patch later to fix the nits | 19:19 |
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| Sam-I-Am | well, thats where my email to the dev list comes in | 19:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | is it a culture issue with docs? | 19:19 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:19 |
| shauno__ | I could we delegate some of the review process to make it easier? | 19:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094390.html | 19:19 |
| njohnston | Well, I'm a new-ish developer (as of Liberty) and I have felt like the docs area is really easy to contribute to, and the docs team is less nitpicky than the code reviewers. With 40% of developers being new each release, it may just be a matter of time before those new ones become the senior devs we need writing for most intense docs. | 19:19 |
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| shauno__ | Or rather faster? | 19:20 |
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| strigazi | As a new contributor I didn't it too difficult or slow | 19:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | njohnston: i think new-ish people have fewer issues because they werent around in the docbook days | 19:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | i see | 19:20 |
| njohnston | Also, the more teams go to a "no doc, no merge" the better, but you can onky lead that horse to water. | 19:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | but i think the FUD spreads from long-standing developers to new developers | 19:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | "oh, those docs people..." etc | 19:21 |
| njohnston | Sam-I-Am: I agree. If Docbook was as bad as WADL then I can completely see that. Contributing to the API guide was a nightmare last cycle. | 19:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | we need to get projects on board with the importance of docs, and putting the most important ones (for the prime audience of operators/users) in a central place with an efficient structure/layout | 19:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | njohnston: there are more no doc no merge, but docs are going into the devref instead of places where operators can find them | 19:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | merely because there's less friction to contribute docs to the same repo in which the project resides | 19:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think the friction is a) where does my stuff go and b) the review process is hard | 19:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | so my post to the dev list at least aims to fix (b) | 19:23 |
| njohnston | I also feel like DocImpact has created a cop-out mentality of "oh, docs are something to handle whenever *waves hands*". Just my personal opinion. | 19:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | njohnston: yeah, but docimpact is better than it used to be. it used to open a bug in openstack-manuals, so no one saw it except docs. | 19:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | now it opens a bug in the project repo, but that assumes someone uses docimpact | 19:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | keystone, for example, doesnt bother to use it | 19:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so a lot of changes happened in mitaka that no one caught | 19:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | some projects think relnotes replace docimpact | 19:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | which is also a problem | 19:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | so a lot of this is communication problems | 19:24 |
| njohnston | I didn't use DocImpact, but I had a simultaneous patch in openstack-manuals with a cross-repo Depends-On. I feel like that is the ideal situation, but I can't figure out how to articulate persuasuvely. | 19:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats really nice :) | 19:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | and probably the way it should be | 19:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | but... as much as openstack needs to appear like a coherent framework/product, most of the projects/devs dont see it that way | 19:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | I'm interested in seeing what responses will look like coming from the developers | 19:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | in response to your proposed solution | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | I think it looks good | 19:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | ShillaSaebi: not many responses yet :/ | 19:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | which is a bit concerning | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 19:26 |
| njohnston | Can we ask the documentation liasons to assess the moods of their respective dev communities? | 19:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | looking at the number of projects that seem to contribute docs only to their own repos, i sort of wonder if a lot of them have written central docs off as a non-starter | 19:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can reach out to the leads for the projects and ask | 19:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | njohnston: that's a good idea, but its interesting that about zero of those liaisons ever attend these meetings | 19:27 |
| njohnston | Sam-I-Am: I was curious why I never see those folks around | 19:27 |
| njohnston | except for emagana | 19:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | your guess is a good as mine, but since i've been around, involvement with docs (even by docs people) has waned for some reason. | 19:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | can we find out the people who contribute docs only to their repo | 19:28 |
| strigazi | btw since today I'm the liaison for magnum | 19:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | maybe put together a list? and reach out to them? | 19:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | strigazi: welcome :) | 19:28 |
| emagana | thanks njohnston ;-) | 19:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | we definitely need to do something to drum up support for docs and get people on the right page, i just havent figured out how | 19:28 |
| njohnston | emagana: Credit where credit is due :-) | 19:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | Sam-I-Am you are right about the decrease, I can't back it by numbers but I can say that I've noticed the same thing | 19:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | well, just looking at doc meeting attendance is one thing | 19:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | core reviews are a bit slow too | 19:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can look at the turnaround times | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | and compare | 19:30 |
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| njohnston | I also see a lot of new projects getting created, by mitosis or inception. Is there a 'so you have a new project, here's how you integrate into docs' for new projects? Like tacker, or kolla, or higgins... | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | no there is not, i don't think | 19:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | but thats a great idea | 19:31 |
| njohnston | sorry I realize that is probably a tangent | 19:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | this is all good | 19:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | its possible a lot of these projects dont know about docs | 19:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | and probably arent writing them either, at least initially | 19:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | i've sort of pushed the TC to adopt the no docs no merge thing (or you're not a project) ... but i dont think it'll get much traction | 19:32 |
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| strigazi | docs are a key factor for Project acceptance, we needed an install-guide so we reached out | 19:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | install guides are definitely important because it enables new people to use your project | 19:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | right | 19:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | have we started a thread on this topic on the docs ML yet | 19:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | most of them are "heres how it works in devstack" which gives operators no idea how to deploy it realistically | 19:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | We should take it to the ML and look at perspective from other members of docs as well | 19:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | ShillaSaebi: not this specific topic. not everyone reads the docs ml, at least not devs. | 19:34 |
| vhoward | ML is a good idea | 19:34 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah we can start from the docs ML and see if everyone agrees that this is a problem | 19:34 |
| Sam-I-Am | thus, i'm wondering if we should discuss the issues and the approach on the docs ML, then post those potential solutions to the dev list | 19:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | or majority agrees | 19:34 |
| strigazi | At least for the install-guide, a clear guide on how to contribute will play a significant role | 19:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | and we can discuss ways to mitigate | 19:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | I agree | 19:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | strigazi: thats currently being restructured. most of the problem around it is the fine line between ease of installation (distro packages) and supporting the big tent (most projects dont have distro packages) | 19:35 |
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| strigazi | I'm not sure if distro packages are the only way to go, puppet, ansible etc are used widely | 19:36 |
| njohnston | Sam-I-Am: Are other guides having a similar restructuring? I hope to avoid a repeat of the email thread "Our Install Guides Only Cover Defcore - What about big tent?" except about the Ops guide or some other guide. | 19:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | aight, so do you want me to start this thread? | 19:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | I think docs should also start going to some of those dev meetings and acting as a liason between the projects and docs | 19:36 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah I think we have tons of great ideas on how we can potentially resolve this | 19:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | ShillaSaebi: its actually easier for devs/liaisons to attend 1 docs meeting rather than a handful of docs people trying to attend every project's meeting | 19:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | we just dont have enough horsepower | 19:37 |
| strigazi | +1 | 19:37 |
| njohnston | +1 | 19:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | i attend neutron's meetings, but thats about all i can handle | 19:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | I'd like to keep this going and then we can put together a clear action plan with steps on what we need to do to make the central docs a happy place to contribute for devs | 19:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 19:38 |
| vhoward | +1 | 19:38 |
| njohnston | well, there are so damn many neutron meetings | 19:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi | lol | 19:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | njohnston: well, there's some talk about more docs going into project repos | 19:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | #action Sam-I-Am to start thread on dev doc contributions | 19:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | the install guide is sort of the first thing to try it | 19:38 |
| strigazi | Yes, and we it the restructure like hiting on a wall | 19:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | strigazi: it'll probably come down to installing from source... somehow. some of the deployment tools are nice, but we cant necessarily be opinionated there, and there's also a chance those deployment tools dont support all projects | 19:39 |
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| strigazi | true | 19:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | problem with distro packages is you cant easily mix them with upstream pip | 19:40 |
| strigazi | We'll try to add as musch as possible in our repo and see what can be pushed in doo | 19:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so it'll probably end up as a venv-based source install of all services with some hand-holding to provide things like init scripts | 19:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | beyond that, i dont know | 19:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | i have to step away for a few minutes, ill be back | 19:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | the key is not making openstack so difficult to install for people who just want to try it | 19:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | ShillaSaebi: ok, i think we're close to done | 19:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok and strigazi i didnt forget about you | 19:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | do you still want to bring up the patch? | 19:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'll try to put together an e-mail outlining the problems i think we're seeing... and reference my post to the dev ml | 19:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | Sam-I-Am I am looking fwd to it | 19:41 |
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| ShillaSaebi | I hope this is the start of increased participation and ease for our developers | 19:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok strigazi you are up | 19:42 |
| njohnston | so say we all | 19:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | me too. its hard trying to fix the mess. | 19:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | we have 15 minutes | 19:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's just a lot of bad feelings | 19:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | feel free to chime in on that dev list post | 19:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | maybe spur some more talk | 19:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | njohnston and vhoward you guys are excellent example | 19:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | examples* | 19:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | not of having bad feelings but of being developers who contribute to docs | 19:43 |
| vhoward | thank you for clarifying | 19:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | lol | 19:43 |
| vhoward | (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ | 19:44 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hopefully no bad feelings | 19:44 |
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| vhoward | thanks shilla | 19:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 19:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | theres a few... they need to spread the word that we dont bite | 19:44 |
| njohnston | Docs are a part any sane Definition of Done. In my mind, that's all there is to it. | 19:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 19:45 |
| vhoward | agreed | 19:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats what i like to hear. can't use it if you cant install it. | 19:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | or even dont know about it | 19:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 19:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool! glad we are all on the same page | 19:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 19:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok #topic Still open discussion | 19:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | we need a docs advocation team | 19:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | I was thinking we wear shirts or something that tells ppl we are part of docs at the next summit | 19:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | well then we might get murdered :) | 19:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | so ppl can come talk to us and ask any questions if need be | 19:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | lol | 19:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | we'll be fine, we can handle it | 19:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 19:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | before I give everyone their 10 minutes back? | 19:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | going once? | 19:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | going twice? | 19:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok if not then we can adjourn this meeting | 19:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you everyone for joining | 19:48 |
| vhoward | thanks | 19:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | :D | 19:48 |
| strigazi | see in the next meeting | 19:48 |
| njohnston | \o | 19:48 |
| shauno__ | Cheers | 19:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | have a good rest of week and see you at the next meeting | 19:48 |
| vhoward | o/ | 19:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 19:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 19:48:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | bye | 19:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-05-11-19.01.html | 19:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-05-11-19.01.txt | 19:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-05-11-19.01.log.html | 19:48 |
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| vhoward | \o/ | 19:49 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 11 21:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
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| jrichli | me | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | me too! | 21:00 |
| sgundur- | hi | 21:00 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:00 |
| bkeller` | o/ | 21:01 |
| cutforth | happy hump day everyone! | 21:01 |
| kmArc_ | me | 21:01 |
| takashi | o/ | 21:01 |
| hurricanerix | \o/ | 21:01 |
| hosanai | o/ | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:01 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: quick note, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313812/ has one +2 so that's good! | 21:01 |
| acoles | here | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome, everyone | 21:01 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: I'll go add my +1 | 21:02 |
| notmyname | what a crazy week in the land of openstack (we'll get to details on that in a bit) | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | agenda for this week is | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #topic crypto update | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "crypto update (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
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| notmyname | jrichli: acoles: you're up. what's going on in crypto? | 21:02 |
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| jrichli | yeah, acoles - you're up ;-) | 21:03 |
| acoles | progress is being made! and it looks like copy middleware may land real soon now which will be great | 21:03 |
| notmyname | great | 21:03 |
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| acoles | the priority review list is up to date https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:04 |
| notmyname | great | 21:04 |
| acoles | we have two priority patches there - one is to wrap object data keys which we decided on in Austin | 21:04 |
| notmyname | acoles: jrichli: is there something we should focus on as a group that we can have done by next week's meeting? | 21:04 |
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| acoles | the other is a fix to how we handle conditional GETs so as to not break unencrypted objects | 21:05 |
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| jrichli | copy, copy, copy | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | :-) | 21:05 |
| acoles | notmyname: copy, yes. and patch 314740 because I would like to know sooner if anyone objects to my solution there | 21:06 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314740/ - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - don't break conditional GETs on unencrypt... | 21:06 |
| notmyname | top priority is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156923/ | 21:06 |
| patchbot | notmyname: patch 156923 - swift - Refactor server side copy as middleware | 21:06 |
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| acoles | notmyname: apart from that we have some cleanup patches (timburke is doing fantastic job reviewing those) and some work to do on more tests | 21:07 |
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| mattoliverau | sorry, I -1 it (copy)... oh there is already a new version of copy.. I need to look at that again this morning then :) | 21:07 |
| notmyname | tdasilva and timburke have been going back and forth on the copy middleware patch. and I think mattoliverau is on it as well | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: yeah, they were just talking about it a few hours ago | 21:07 |
| notmyname | just pushed a new patch set about 2 hours ago | 21:08 |
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| acoles | notmyname: a stretch goal would be to starting to prepare small chain to propose to master, on feature/crypto-review as discussed in Austin | 21:08 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: made the changes you suggested | 21:08 |
| acoles | by next week | 21:08 |
| notmyname | acoles: wow, that's great :-) | 21:08 |
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| mattoliverau | great, I'll take a look at copy first thing then :) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | acoles: do you need help from me on that? | 21:08 |
| acoles | notmyname: *stretch* goal relies on reviews happening, and I meant Weds next week ;) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | acoles: I'm assuming we'll use a different branch name for that... | 21:08 |
| tdasilva | acoles: i'm finishing up reviewing the key wrapping patch | 21:09 |
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| acoles | notmyname: I'll ned help to create the feature branch - feature/crypto-review ?? | 21:09 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: thanks! | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | acoles: ok, I can do that very easily as soon as it's needed. (technically I don't do it, but someone in -infra does. but we've done it several times before) | 21:10 |
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| acoles | notmyname: ok. well, not quite yet...I may be being overly optimistic | 21:10 |
| notmyname | I'm excited about the progress being made. looking forward to it :-) | 21:10 |
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| jrichli | +1 | 21:11 |
| notmyname | acoles: ok. I've got enough other email threads to keep me busy until then :-) | 21:11 |
| notmyname | anything else on crypto to bring up? | 21:11 |
| acoles | notmyname: what topic would they be on ? ;) | 21:11 |
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| acoles | notmyname: not from me | 21:11 |
| clayg | hi | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | #topic [new|no]-specs process update | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's start the craziness that's been going on | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | so in their post-summit report, there's a plan from -infra to deprecate using the wiki and currently all new accounts are disabled. so that kinda stinks for our ideas page | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | however, that news prompted some response and now there's some more interest in finding a lightweight think to either replace the existing wiki or to streamline it to make it still work | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | and ttx sent an email out this morning about documenting the current wiki use cases | 21:15 |
| notmyname | there's an etherpad somewhere... | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/wiki-use-cases | 21:15 |
| notmyname | good news is that's swift's use cases are already there | 21:15 |
| notmyname | but if you really like wikis and the functionality they provide, there's a new way you can get involved and spend time working on openstack stuff :-) | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | I'll keep an eye on it and let you know what happens and what if anything needs to change with our new no-specs ideas page stuff | 21:16 |
| notmyname | #topic golang update | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | ok, here's where the really crazy stuff has been happening :-) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | we're 8 days and 130 messages in to a ML thread about using golang | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | it's either hilarious or will drive you to serious drinking ;-) | 21:17 |
| clayg | py3 asyncio uvloop and an aiofile interface will save python! https://nikhilm.github.io/uvbook/filesystem.html#filesystem-operations | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | you need popcorn to read it | 21:17 |
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| clayg | ... or at least make it a sufficent approximation of the golang runtime that when pypy gets py3 support we'll be w/i a few points ;) | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | clayg: now all we need is a decent thread scheduler for those async calls, and we're golden! | 21:18 |
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| clayg | notmyname: if we can use the libuv calls it'll be in c and dispatched to uvloop directly so we're set - 3 years - tops | 21:19 |
| notmyname | so to quote the princess bride, "let me explain....no there is too much. let me sum up" | 21:19 |
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| clayg | lol | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | there's been some crazy diversions down off-topic things in the thread. so let's ignore that | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | point 1 is that we aren't the only project looking at using golang in our codebase | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | that's good, because it means we can avoid some of the "oh it's swift and they're *special*". no. we can work cross-project and get something that is good for us and good for everyong | 21:20 |
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| * morgan lurks. | 21:21 | |
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| notmyname | point 2 is that torgomatic has done a good job dropping some technical knowledge and experience in there. that help shut down the "oh well I spend a few minutes looking at it and you obviously haven't though about it hard enough" | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | so, thanks torgomatic | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | (although he's not here) | 21:22 |
| clayg | torgomatic is ey | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:22 |
| clayg | *key | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | point 3 is that the real questions and reasons for the thread are starting to be raised | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | namely, the important stuff is about "how do we actually make all this work in the CI/gate/docs/tests/etc" | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | stuff like dependency management and discovering and building docs and what a release actually looks like when you've got compiled code | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | yesterday I went to the -infra team meeting where those questions were specifically brought up | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/golang-infra-issues-to-solve is the current scratch pad for asking and answering a lot of these questions | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | there's currently some exploration about different ways to do dependency management in golang (the golang community doesn't yet have "One Way It Must Be Done" so there's lots of confusion out there) | 21:25 |
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| joeljwright | :( | 21:25 |
| notmyname | 3 things being considered (linked in the etherpad) are godep, glide, and govendor. mordred proposed a patch for each on the hummingbird branch just so we can look at them and see what it looks like | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | another good question (which I'm hoping to get better answers from dfg et al on) is about how to do unit tests and prublish the results | 21:26 |
| clayg | sounds like a barrel of monkies | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | so in summary, there's a lot going on, mostly distracting things, but some really good progress overall (I think/hope) | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | some of these will be figured out as we go and a few need to be known up-front | 21:27 |
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| joeljwright | (hee hee) as we go | 21:27 |
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| dfg_ | notmyname: we run tests with "make test" as far as publishing the results- idk | 21:27 |
| clayg | oh the puns! | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | dfg_: cool. in a Makefile? | 21:28 |
| dfg_ | ya | 21:28 |
| notmyname | dfg_: perfect | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | so overall, don't get disheartened about the openstack craziness (I mean that in the nicest possible way). there's some good questions being raised and a whole lot of interest in finding good solutions | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | and in a lot of ways, we get to have a pretty big influence because we've actually got some golang code and a vague plan of how/when to merge that | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | so any questions on all of that? | 21:30 |
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| mattoliverau | nope, I'll continue eathing my popcorn and watch :P | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | ok. feel free to ping me any time (publicly or privately) if you want to talk about it or are concerned or need to vent or whatever | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | #topic rolling upgrade test status update | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | cschwede couldn't make it but had this update... | 21:32 |
| notmyname | still waiting on the infra patch, and has a promise of a review soon | 21:32 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-rolling-upgrade-multinode-testing | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | so not much else to say there. patch 304465 I think is the one that's blocking further work | 21:33 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304465/ - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Use subnodes for Swift storage nodes in a multinod... | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | #topic symlinks | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: you're up. talk to us about symlinks | 21:33 |
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| jrichli | There are some summaizing statements at the top of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_symlinks | 21:34 |
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| jrichli | There is some great history centered around the POST discussions in an etherpad linked from there. | 21:34 |
| jrichli | each of the different ideas were given a label. It would be good to get everyone's feedback on what approaches to rule out, and which to focus on. | 21:34 |
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| jrichli | acoles had thoughts on the plane ride back from the summit. I was interested in hearing whether that aligns with 'Proposal symlink-POST-4' | 21:34 |
| notmyname | havent' we talked about that in tokyo, bristol, and austin? | 21:34 |
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| jrichli | yes - that etherpad catures some of the past history. its a good place to start if you weren't around for those talks. I know we had some new comers to the topic in austin | 21:35 |
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| acoles | I haven't had much time to think about it more | 21:35 |
| notmyname | ok. my concern is just that it's written down so we don't have to keep having the same discussion | 21:36 |
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| jrichli | clayg: you and acoles could add notes from your Friday discussion :-) | 21:36 |
| clayg | jrichli: yeah I need to quick before acoles proves me wrong again! | 21:36 |
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| jrichli | right. it'd be good to have a summary of "this idea is winning" - like clayg said | 21:37 |
| acoles | Do we have a clear idea of what the symlink use case(s) are that we're trying to address? in particular whether the client can and will make requests to the symlink only or to the target (only/mostly) or both? | 21:37 |
| acoles | cos clayg convinced me that good use cases lead to winning solutions | 21:37 |
| clayg | oh oh oh! start with the use-case! I like it! | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | isn't our first use case tiering? | 21:38 |
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| jrichli | i think one of those etherpads had started with that ... one sec | 21:38 |
| clayg | notmyname: nope - it's manual policy migration | 21:38 |
| acoles | ! | 21:38 |
| clayg | notmyname: I have a name, i like the name, my cdn likes the name, but I want the data to be in another container - COPY + PUT symlink | 21:38 |
| notmyname | clayg: ok. s/tiering/policy migration/ | 21:38 |
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| tdasilva | i remember also talking about a new object versioning using symlinks | 21:39 |
| clayg | notmyname: well then there's also cluster assisted policy migration which is something ntt is looking at | 21:39 |
| acoles | notmyname: I think the important differentiation is client involvement vs automated server side tiering | 21:39 |
| clayg | oh right versioning | 21:39 |
| jrichli | hmm ... i dont see use cases spelled out | 21:39 |
| notmyname | acoles: indeed it is | 21:39 |
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| acoles | and whether the client is aware of the target, and could therefore expect to make requests to it | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: yeah. I get asked about that one nearly every day now (internally from product people) | 21:40 |
| * tdasilva needs to start reviewing timburke's patch | 21:40 | |
| timburke | yes please! | 21:40 |
| clayg | notmyname: versioning or swift3 improvments related to object versions? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | ok so we've got 2 initial use cases: 1) manual policy migration 2) versioning | 21:40 |
| notmyname | clayg: mostly the s3 compat stuff and whatever's needed to get that :-) | 21:40 |
| acoles | and where it really matters is POST handling, which the etherpads draw attention to. | 21:41 |
| clayg | notmyname: everytime i ask timburke about symlinks he says it's useful but not required | 21:41 |
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| kota_ | ah, tiering also an use case still | 21:41 |
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| kota_ | it's under development though. | 21:41 |
| notmyname | kota_: auto tiering after manual tiering | 21:41 |
| kota_ | yump | 21:41 |
| onovy | btw: we are simulating symlinks using SLO with only one segment now. so symlinks is nice but "not needed" :) | 21:41 |
| tdasilva | oh | 21:41 |
| kota_ | yup | 21:41 |
| joeljwright | onovy: us too :) | 21:42 |
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| clayg | how does a post to a SLO manifest work :D | 21:42 |
| m_kazuhi_ | yes | 21:42 |
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| timburke | clayg: notmyname: i can get something functional for swift3 following https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214922/ - it will be oh-so-much-better if we have symlinks, but that'll basically come along for free | 21:42 |
| patchbot | timburke: patch 214922 - swift - Add "history" mode to versioned_writes middleware | 21:42 |
| onovy | clayg: don't know, we are not posting to it :) | 21:42 |
| clayg | onovy: good call | 21:42 |
| jrichli | clayg: that was my thought too. seems like we are all solving similar problems for parts | 21:42 |
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| clayg | jrichli: parse error "solving similar problems for parts" - cut off? | 21:43 |
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| jrichli | there are some consistency issues both topics face | 21:43 |
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| jrichli | solution could be similar for both? | 21:43 |
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| clayg | jrichli: notmyname: there's so much written down and referenced in those eather pads - it's really hard to put it all in your head :'( | 21:44 |
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| acoles | jrichli: maybe but the solutions could be quite different depending on the use case/requirements. | 21:44 |
| acoles | clayg: +1 | 21:44 |
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| jrichli | acoles: yes. we should not feel restricted to solve in the same way. | 21:46 |
| acoles | jrichli: e.g. If the client has no awareness of the target then I *think* that POSTing to the symlink only is workable. But if the client wants to GET the target direct then you need a different solution. | 21:46 |
| acoles | jrichli: but choosing one problem to solve first might help progress to a solution | 21:46 |
| notmyname | comes down to the use case right? | 21:47 |
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| acoles | notmyname: yeah, clayg is right on that! | 21:47 |
| jrichli | agreed. so focus on manual now? | 21:47 |
| notmyname | so where's that written down? manual policy migration | 21:47 |
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| clayg | notmyname: it *was* in the spec i believe - it was like *the* example that sam gave for symlinks before everyone thing else and their dog realized they needed something similar as well? | 21:48 |
| notmyname | unless timburke convinces us that we should do it for versioning first (assuming that's a different implementation) | 21:48 |
| clayg | who edits the eatherpad! name yourself! | 21:48 |
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| jrichli | me | 21:48 |
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| acoles | specs gave us traceability, bring back specs :P | 21:48 |
| clayg | jrichli: i just ment on the right hand side where you can type in your name | 21:48 |
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| clayg | acoles: you didn't acctually like specs - you like the *idea* of specs | 21:48 |
| notmyname | https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/swift-specs/specs/in_progress/symlinks.html | 21:49 |
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| jrichli | clayg: lol. i added it | 21:49 |
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| clayg | jrichli: lol - you see the little "people" icon in the upper right? | 21:49 |
| acoles | does the naming in etherpad persist? i always seem to lose the identities from the right column | 21:49 |
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| clayg | jrichli: nice | 21:50 |
| jrichli | clayg: sorry, thought i had that already | 21:50 |
| clayg | it probably forgot | 21:50 |
| jrichli | yeah, i had to reboot today | 21:50 |
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| clayg | acoles: everytime i use eatherpad it seems to know i'm clayg? | 21:50 |
| clayg | oic | 21:50 |
| clayg | so only as long as I have this browser open (which is foreverish) | 21:50 |
| jrichli | and i upgraded my browser | 21:50 |
| clayg | holy cow! cutting edige | 21:51 |
| acoles | clayg: but I'm not sure I always know you are clayg (well, apart from the typos :P) | 21:51 |
| jrichli | the color changes sometimes | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | burn | 21:51 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:51 |
| nadeem | lolz | 21:51 |
| ntata | :D | 21:51 |
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| mmotiani_ | :D :D | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | ok, so where are we? | 21:52 |
| clayg | notmyname: clayg can't spell | 21:52 |
| clayg | it's *super* funny | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:53 |
| notmyname | yeah, I knew that ;-) | 21:53 |
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| mattoliverau | well you spell diferently to acoles and I :P | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | ok ok. symlinks | 21:53 |
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| acoles | anyway, back to manual symlink policy migration use case - imho POST handling becomes hard (impossible?) if the client expects to get the same result from the link or the target - but is that what the use case requires? I'm not sure | 21:53 |
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| kota_ | seems like a part of discussion in auto-tiering from m_kazuhiro | 21:54 |
| kota_ | he might have thought for that. | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | seems like reading over the etherpad and recording your thoughts is the next thing | 21:55 |
| notmyname | on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_symlinks | 21:55 |
| jrichli | sounds good | 21:56 |
| notmyname | does that seem reasonable for everyone? | 21:56 |
| kota_ | sure | 21:56 |
| acoles | kota_: m_kazuhiro's proposal is what I would describe as server side tiering - client does not know about targets | 21:56 |
| acoles | or server side migration | 21:56 |
| kota_ | acoles: ok | 21:56 |
| m_kazuhi_ | In my auto-tiering, client will not touch the target object (reffered by symlink), so client will get same result anytime. | 21:56 |
| acoles | m_kazuhi_: right, thanks | 21:57 |
| kota_ | m_kazuhi_: gotcha, thanks | 21:57 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:57 |
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| joeljwright | any update on hackathon dates/location? | 21:57 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 21:57 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: Real Soon Now(tm) | 21:57 |
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| clayg | oh i wanted to say i have no strong preference on the location of the hackathon so i'm putting my vote up for bribe | 21:57 |
| acoles | clayg: lol | 21:58 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:58 |
| joeljwright | clayg: I will contact you separately ;) | 21:58 |
| clayg | we'll start the bidding at one can of domestic beer? Do I hear a draft beer at a pub near the hack-a-thon? | 21:58 |
| rdopiera | did I understand correctly from the low hanging fruit session that now is the best time for any refactoring and cleanup patches? | 21:58 |
| acoles | clayg: one can of "America"? | 21:58 |
| clayg | acoles: i believe both suggested locations were in N.A. | 21:59 |
| notmyname | actually turns out that the location will be mostly determined based on schedule. there's several things going on this summer, so finding the gap is the trick | 21:59 |
| clayg | rdopiera: there's never a "best" time - just that "right before release" is the "worst" time? | 21:59 |
| onovy | evergreen question: what about io nice? | 21:59 |
| clayg | rdopiera: what'd you have in mind? | 21:59 |
| clayg | onovy: we should flipping merge that! | 21:59 |
| notmyname | onovy: only needs one more +2! | 21:59 |
| clayg | doo eet! | 21:59 |
| clayg | srly, you just check out the change edit your config and run a few shell commands to make sure the stuff got applied | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | we're at time | 22:00 |
| rdopiera | clayg: there are some patches in the quque that fix style and enable pep8 rules, there is also the mox removal thing, some patches for removing calls to locals(), globals() and exec(), etc. | 22:00 |
| clayg | if you want to be mean you can try setting bogus/garbage in the config and complain that aside from *maybe* an error in the log there's little indication it's not doing anything useful | 22:00 |
| notmyname | go review the ionice patch :-) | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming, everyone. thanks for your work on swift | 22:01 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 11 22:01:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-05-11-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-05-11-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-05-11-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
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| clayg | rdopiera: idk, doesn't sound like stuff we do very much in swift - but if there's some useful cleanups we're generally not *against* the idea if it can be gated to not regress | 22:01 |
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| rdopiera | CIA: I see, thanks | 22:01 |
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| notmyname | rdopiera: definitely hanging out in #opestack-swift and talking about it is a good idea | 22:02 |
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