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| skraynev | #startmeeting Heat | 08:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 4 08:22:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:22 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 08:22 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 08:22 |
| skraynev | #topic rollcall | 08:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 08:22 | |
| ricolin | o/ | 08:22 |
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| skraynev | ricolin: hi. | 08:23 |
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| skraynev | looks like we are alone here ;) | 08:23 |
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| shardy | o/ | 08:25 |
| ricolin | lol | 08:25 |
| skraynev | shardy, ricolin: looks like today's meeting is not really necessary :) | 08:25 |
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| shardy | Ok, I've got nothing to raise, other than it'd be good if we could somehow track all the bugs related to performance improvements | 08:26 |
| skraynev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-05-04_0800_UTC.29 | 08:26 |
| skraynev | #topic Adding items to agenda | 08:26 |
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| shardy | I've been getting a lot of questions about the output of the scale/performance sessions wrt TripleO, and having perhaps a tag to track progress would help | 08:26 |
| skraynev | I have not anything new too. | 08:26 |
| skraynev | #topic Open discussion | 08:27 |
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| shardy | I can raise that with therve though | 08:27 |
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| skraynev | shardy: yeah. it will be great to have some document, where we may track current status | 08:28 |
| skraynev | let's share it via mail thread | 08:28 |
| ricolin | agree | 08:28 |
| shardy | yup, an etherpad or bug tag would be fine I think | 08:28 |
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| skraynev | I suppose - both, if it's not really difficult. | 08:29 |
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| shardy | Ok, if there's nothing else I'll go back to my emails - have a good day guys :) | 08:29 |
| skraynev | because we may have some "not a bug" patches, like refactoring for fixing real issue | 08:29 |
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| skraynev | shardy: thank you for the update. | 08:29 |
| ricolin | :) | 08:30 |
| shardy | Yeah, well I think many of the issues can be framed as a bug, e.g the bad performance is a bug | 08:30 |
| shardy | but I don't really mind how we track it provided the information is somewhere :) | 08:30 |
| skraynev | shardy: :) | 08:31 |
| skraynev | ricolin: do you have something to share ? | 08:31 |
| ricolin | skraynev: tracking performance right now | 08:32 |
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| ricolin | and please merge external resource if no new issue:) | 08:32 |
| skraynev | link? | 08:32 |
| ricolin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135492/ | 08:33 |
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| ricolin | as we have discuss in summit | 08:33 |
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| ricolin | the update already been seperated out of this patch | 08:34 |
| ramishra | hi | 08:35 |
| ricolin | hi | 08:35 |
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| ramishra | I thought we are skipping the meeting today;) | 08:36 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: no, it was only for previous week and therve asked to someone to lead this one ;) | 08:36 |
| skraynev | ricolin: is it updated and as I understand you discussed on the first part of meet-up, which I missed. | 08:37 |
| skraynev | right? | 08:37 |
| elynn | sorry I'm late | 08:37 |
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| ricolin | yep | 08:38 |
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| ramishra | gate seems to be pretty erratic, some floating ip(neutron) tempest tests part of grenade job are failing (external connectivity issue) | 08:40 |
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| skraynev | ricolin: and what was the decision? | 08:44 |
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| ricolin | therve decide to merge I think | 08:44 |
| skraynev | ramishra: but we decided to use our own tests, so I think, we may ignore it | 08:45 |
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| skraynev | ricolin: ok. I will take a look it today ;) | 08:45 |
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| ricolin | thx:) | 08:47 |
| ramishra | skraynev: In think the failing test is not a heat test, but scenario test in tempest tempest.scenario.test_network_basic_ops.TestNetworkBasicOps.test_network_basic_ops | 08:48 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 08:49 |
| stevebaker | sorry I' | 08:49 |
| stevebaker | m late, had a thing | 08:49 |
| ramishra | This is failing most of the time, but seems to have passed for few patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311837/ | 08:49 |
| ramishra | very difficult to tell what's going on | 08:49 |
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| stevebaker | ramishra: I assume that test is not heat relatede | 08:51 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: yeah, but how do we fix the gate, 90% of the time it's failing | 08:51 |
| ramishra | it's broken since last few days | 08:51 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: complain in #openstack-qa and wait? | 08:52 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: or propose patch with skipping this test | 08:52 |
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| ramishra | I think we should skip all non heat related tempest tests in the grenade job, wdyt? | 08:54 |
| elynn | agree | 08:55 |
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| elynn | There's no need to run other tests besides heat tests in gate. | 08:55 |
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| stevebaker | this would be a good test for a filtered list of tests for when we have a tempest plugin | 08:58 |
| skraynev | ramishra: +1 | 08:58 |
| stevebaker | it will make the job quicker too | 08:58 |
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| elynn | Or we could disable tempest tests in gate and wait for tempest plugin since heat tempest tests is useless actually | 09:00 |
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| skraynev | we are our of the time, let's continue in #heat | 09:01 |
| skraynev | #endmeeting heat | 09:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 4 09:01:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-05-04-08.22.html | 09:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-05-04-08.22.txt | 09:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-05-04-08.22.log.html | 09:01 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:00 |
| Yipei | hi | 13:00 |
| zhiyuan | hello | 13:00 |
| joehuang | hi, Yipei | 13:00 |
| joehuang | hi Zhiyuan | 13:00 |
| Ronghui_ | hello | 13:01 |
| joehuang | hi Ronghui | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 4 13:01:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
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| Ronghui_ | #info Ronghui | 13:02 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:02 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:02 |
| joehuang | #topic PTL election | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | hello, to be an openstack TC approved big tent project | 13:03 |
| joehuang | we need to do PTL election | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | in OpenStack tradition, every one in the project could nominate himself to serve as the PTL of the release | 13:04 |
| Ronghui_ | what is the PTL? | 13:04 |
| Yipei | project team leader? | 13:05 |
| joehuang | project technical leader | 13:05 |
| Ronghui_ | that's cool | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | if you are interested in leading the project for the release, you can nominate yourself as the PTL, and members in the project can vote who will be the PTL if more than one nomination | 13:07 |
| zhiyuan | I heard that there is a tool to run the election? | 13:07 |
| joehuang | if more than one nomination happened, then we need to use the tool for election | 13:08 |
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| joehuang | so first a period for self nomination, then election | 13:09 |
| Ronghui_ | hi, all we just update the spec for cross L2 networking | 13:09 |
| Ronghui_ | please review :) | 13:09 |
| joehuang | will do, ronghui, thanks for the update | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | we can refer to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/PTL_Elections_March_2016 for the election procedure | 13:10 |
| joehuang | we will also have one week for nomination, another week for election | 13:11 |
| joehuang | how do you think that nomination period from May 9 ~ May 13, election from May 16 ~ May 20 if more than one nomination | 13:12 |
| Ronghui_ | no problem | 13:12 |
| zhiyuan | that's fine | 13:13 |
| Ronghui_ | what we must to do? | 13:13 |
| Yipei | fine for me | 13:13 |
| joehuang | if you want to be the PTL for Newton release, than send self nomination letter in the mail-list | 13:13 |
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| Ronghui_ | @zhiyuan it can see the flavor list of Pod2 but the problem is also happen | 13:13 |
| joehuang | will search one example | 13:14 |
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| zhiyuan | @Ronghui, ok, let's discuss this problem offline | 13:14 |
| Ronghui_ | ok | 13:14 |
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| joehuang | for example: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cloud.openstack.devel/78989 | 13:16 |
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| joehuang | another self nomination: http://www.tesora.com/openstack-trove-ptl-candidacy/ | 13:17 |
| joehuang | #info PTL nomination period from May 9 ~ May 13, election from May 16 ~ May 20 if more than one nomination | 13:18 |
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| joehuang | #info if you want to be the PTL for Newton release, then send self nomination letter in the mail-list | 13:18 |
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| joehuang | ok, will send a mail tomorrow in m-l for the PTL election | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | next topic server group | 13:19 |
| joehuang | #topic server group | 13:20 |
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| joehuang | hi, zhiyuan, in the virtual design summit, the server group topic is not finished yet, let's discuss about it | 13:20 |
| joehuang | please | 13:20 |
| zhiyuan | ok, two problems for server group | 13:21 |
| zhiyuan | one is that if two VMs are created in two pods, we cannot guarantee server group affinity | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | for server group with affinity policy, should be forwarded to same pod in Tricircle | 13:22 |
| zhiyuan | the other one is when to create server group in bottom pod. create server group when creating VM, or when create server group in top pod | 13:22 |
| joehuang | I saw that for server group only CRD, no U operation | 13:23 |
| joehuang | that means the once the policy is defined, no change will be done on the same group | 13:23 |
| joehuang | and currently only two policy supported for server group: affinity, anti-affinity | 13:24 |
| zhiyuan | so if the pod binding changed, we reject creating VM in the server group which already has VMs, right? | 13:24 |
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| joehuang | do you mean active pod binding? | 13:25 |
| joehuang | currently the assumption that only one pod binding in one AZ needs to be updated if we support multiple pod in one AZ | 13:26 |
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| joehuang | only one "active" pod binding, but can multiple inactive pod binding in the history | 13:26 |
| zhiyuan | yes, but the previous VM in the same server group may be created in the previous pod | 13:27 |
| joehuang | so do we need server group pod binding? | 13:27 |
| joehuang | that means a server group will only be created in one pod | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | or do we need to support server group across multiple pods for anti-affinity policy? | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | for affinity policy, all VMs should allocated in same pod | 13:29 |
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| zhiyuan | i think we can support anti-affinity policy. | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | across multiple pods? | 13:30 |
| Yipei | does it mean we need a mapping between server group and pod? | 13:30 |
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| Ronghui_ | u mean the pod instance of the tradition compute node in the server group? | 13:30 |
| zhiyuan | for affinity policy, we need to check if the new VM is in the same pod with the old VMs in the same server group | 13:30 |
| joehuang | pod is one bottom openstack instance | 13:30 |
| joehuang | agree for affinity policy | 13:31 |
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| zhiyuan | if AZ-pod binding changed, the new VM cannot be placed in the same pod with the old one, thus creation fails | 13:31 |
| zhiyuan | ok, then what about the creation time for server group? | 13:32 |
| joehuang | that usually means no more capacity to create VM in the old pod | 13:32 |
| Ronghui_ | and there will be two layer server group | 13:32 |
| joehuang | to Ronghui, yes | 13:33 |
| Ronghui_ | one for pod and one for compute node in same pod | 13:33 |
| zhiyuan | "that usually means no more capacity to create VM in the old pod" +1 | 13:33 |
| joehuang | not "one for pod" | 13:34 |
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| Ronghui_ | "that usually means no more capacity to create VM in the old pod" that means we not only can not create VM in the same node but also can not create the VM in the same bottom openstack? | 13:35 |
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| joehuang | to Ronghui, what do you mean "same node" | 13:36 |
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| Ronghui_ | same compute node in bottom openstack the tradition server group | 13:36 |
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| joehuang | to affinity policy, yes | 13:37 |
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| joehuang | ok, zhiyuan, now we have some consensus on server group, please have a summary here | 13:37 |
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| Ronghui_ | wheather the commutication cost is too big for this case between affinity VMs | 13:38 |
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| joehuang | usually need better communication capability or a close group relationship of VMs | 13:40 |
| Ronghui_ | agree | 13:40 |
| zhiyuan | for anti-affinity policy, VMs in the same server group needs to be placed in the same bottom pod, if AZ-pod binding is changed, creating a new VM in a server group that already has VMs will fail | 13:40 |
| zhiyuan | sorry for affinity policy | 13:41 |
| joehuang | #info for affinity policy, VMs in the same server group needs to be placed in the same bottom pod, if AZ-pod binding is changed, creating a new VM in a server group that already has VMs will fail | 13:41 |
| zhiyuan | for anti-affinity policy, AZ-pod binding change has not impact, since creating VMs in different bottom pods also satisfies anti-affinity policy | 13:43 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:43 |
| joehuang | #info anti-affinity policy, AZ-pod binding change has not impact, since creating VMs in different bottom pods also satisfies anti-affinity policy | 13:43 |
| zhiyuan | ok, what about the time to create server group? | 13:44 |
| joehuang | ok next topic | 13:44 |
| joehuang | sorry | 13:44 |
| joehuang | if no routing info for a server group | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | when first time to create a VM in the server group | 13:45 |
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| joehuang | when create a VM in the server group and find no regarding routing info in the binding pod | 13:46 |
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| joehuang | ok, please vote Shinobu to be a core reviewer or not in the mail-list | 13:49 |
| joehuang | and yipei, how about dynamic pod binding? | 13:49 |
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| Yipei | For the code, I still study how to write unit test. For the pod binding framework, I plan to submit a patch before next weekend. | 13:51 |
| Yipei | i think i miss something about server group | 13:51 |
| joehuang | quite good | 13:51 |
| joehuang | please | 13:51 |
| Yipei | For the spec file, I have already add some content, but still need to organise and refine the draft. I will update it before this weekend. | 13:51 |
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| joehuang | your question about server group? | 13:52 |
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| Yipei | no for now, i think i did not consider the server group issues | 13:53 |
| joehuang | ok, refer to http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html#os-server-groups-v2.1 for server group | 13:54 |
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| joehuang | ronghui just said that L2 networking spec updated, so let's review the spec | 13:55 |
| Yipei | ok, got it | 13:55 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 13:55 |
| joehuang | ok, thank you for attending the meeting | 13:55 |
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| joehuang | it's time to end the meeting | 13:55 |
| joehuang | thank you | 13:56 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 4 13:56:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-05-04-13.01.html | 13:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-05-04-13.01.txt | 13:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-05-04-13.01.log.html | 13:56 |
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| zhiyuan | bye | 13:56 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:56 |
| Yipei | bye | 13:56 |
| Ronghui_ | bye | 13:56 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 4 16:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| thingee | o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Ping: dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: Thanks | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| ameade | here | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | hey | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi | 16:00 |
| mtanino | hi | 16:00 |
| aimeeu | hello - lurking and learning | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | aimeeu: Welcome! | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | welcom aimeeu | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Hello! | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Hello! | 16:00 |
| thingee | aimeeu: hey! | 16:00 |
| e0ne | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:00 |
| adrianofr | hello | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Hey aimeeu ! Glad to have you join us. | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | hello :) | 16:00 |
| baumann | Hello! | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
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| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
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| aimeeu | jungleboy jay: thanks! | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | So not too much coming off of the summit last week. | 16:01 |
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| sheel | hi | 16:01 |
| ntpttr_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | I will be writing up and sending out a summary of our design summit sessions soon. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | And updating the tracking etherpad based on our identified priorities. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review Priorities Etherpad | 16:02 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: what about anouncing requirements for backups ci's? | 16:02 |
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| e0ne | and for os-brick too | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Also just want to mention the link for Nova volume related bugs: | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW&field.tag=volumes Nova volume issues | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yep, that too. | 16:02 |
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| diablo_rojo | We recorded almost all the sessions for those that couldn't attend | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | I have a few todo's from the summit to go through. | 16:02 |
| * thingee adds to agenda hoping smcginnis notices | 16:03 | |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ8Koy4gsISMy0qW3CWZmaQ Cinder Youtube Channel | 16:03 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Thanks! Good to capture that. | 16:03 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: No problem :) AV club represent! | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | We did discuss at the summit enforcing CI for backup drivers and os-brick. Especially for those with specific os-brick connectors. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | I will send out an official announcement on that soon. | 16:04 |
| zhanghao | hi | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Makes sense since we require that for volume and fczm drivers. | 16:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Yes please, more brick CI would be wonderful | 16:04 |
| thingee | smcginnis: if people were fine the last way I handled things, I would be happy to add this to my plate. | 16:05 |
| * jungleboyj missed those dsicussions. | 16:05 | |
| smcginnis | thingee: Sure! | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Thanks, that would be great! | 16:05 |
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| thingee | etherpad with the community agreed timeline? | 16:05 |
| diablo_rojo | Was it end of n2? | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | So, all 3rd Party CIs need to now watch for changes to brick? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | No timeline discussed so far. I think maybe a goal by the end of Newton, start seriously enforcing in Ocata? | 16:06 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj: Just ones with connectors in brick | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yep | 16:06 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: I don't thinks so. IMO, only for specified connectors | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Ok. | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | I just want to say on record again that I'm not going to do another CI for brick | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Definitely for ones with connectors in brick. Bonus points for anyone else. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Thanks. | 16:06 |
| diablo_rojo | e0ne: Thats what I thought | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | I think we need a better answer there | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: What do you mean? | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | by this logic we should all be required to have CI for oslo libs | 16:07 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:07 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: how to earse history in irc? ;) | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: maybe I'm misunderstanding, but are you proposing requiring 3'rd party CI for brick? | 16:07 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: are you saying iscsi and fc drivers don't need ci in brick? | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: If you have a vendor specific connector in brick. | 16:07 |
| diablo_rojo | jgriffith: You don't have a brick connector so you dont NEED CI | 16:07 |
| thingee | smcginnis: wait I'm confused by the brick piece too.. aren't these indirectly tested already? | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Yes and no. | 16:07 |
| thingee | last time we talked about this, issues would eventually surface on the cinder third party testing | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Ultimately yes. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | diablo_rojo: smcginnis ok | 16:08 |
| e0ne | thingee: we can break connector in the new release of os-brick now | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | But until we do a release, we don't find out if something broke until it's out there. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | Which did happen for a few folks last cycle. | 16:08 |
| thingee | e0ne: right, but that new release would be tested in cinder eventually | 16:08 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: that was my point too. thanks | 16:08 |
| thingee | e0ne: which eventually would surface a problem | 16:08 |
| thingee | it sounds more like a release problem | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Timing was especially bad last cycle because the breakage wasn't found until the final brick release. | 16:09 |
| Swanson | ('os-bricked') | 16:09 |
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| diablo_rojo | So the connectors that need CI: AoE, DISCO, DRBD, HGST, Huawei, Sheepdog, etc | 16:09 |
| e0ne | thingee: agree. but is it too late? we can found issues before release with CI | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: that was one of your better ones :) | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | And then it was library freeze and close to total freeze, so we couldn't fix it until after things opened up again. | 16:09 |
| thingee | smcginnis: yeah, I think we just need to work on that, rather than add burden to the vendors. | 16:09 |
| thingee | smcginnis: I'm not even with a vendor and I'm saying that :) | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: which connector broke? | 16:09 |
| thingee | smcginnis: can we maybe just try to be strict on brick releases to give time for problems to surface on the cinder side? | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Sheepdog and one other one. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | thingee: +1 | 16:10 |
| thingee | if that doesn't work, start considering the additional CI testing | 16:10 |
| ameade | how much churn is there in brick? can't imagine it'll take up a lot of resources to test it and for me it's just another line in a yaml file to test it as well | 16:10 |
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| patrickeast | fwiw extending an existing ci to watch brick is pretty minimal, there aren't a ton of changes on it... i'm not advocating that we make cinder 3rd party ci's vote on it, but its not hard if anyone wants to | 16:10 |
| thingee | patrickeast: that is true... | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | OK, so maybe "strongly recommending" CI on os-brick for now, with the hint that we may make it mandatory in the future for those with connectors? | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: +1 | 16:11 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: That sounds reasonable | 16:11 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:11 |
| thingee | smcginnis: how about this, I can start reaching out to people and saying as you say strongly recommended. We'll see how many people do it. | 16:11 |
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| thingee | as people have voiced it's pretty minimal as an additional entry in a yaml file. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | I guess it's a start. | 16:11 |
| kmartin | the connectors already have driver CIs, they just need to make a small change to pull in the latest brick instead on the last released version | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | one other option is to put the burden on brick | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | We can see how that goes and decide later if we need to be more strict about it. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That sounds reasonable. | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | in other words, run all the gate tests with brick | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | kmartin: Still, that's after a possible breaking change has merged. | 16:12 |
| thingee | smcginnis: can I get an action item please? | 16:12 |
| kmartin | sure | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | including rbd, sheepdog etc | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | kmartin: But could at least catch before official library release. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | #action thingee to work on backup and os-brick CI policy communication | 16:13 |
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| patrickeast | jgriffith: +1, i was chatting to hemna about that, i think we get most of the connectors that way | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: indeed | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | OK, I'll save the midcycle discussion for last. | 16:13 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: the other 3rd party ones (for the most part) already have em | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | #topic Reference Implementation Discussion | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: All yours | 16:13 |
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| thingee | oh boy | 16:14 |
| thingee | so I started learning about our proposed movement towards discovering capabilities | 16:15 |
| thingee | I think from a defcore perspective, this isn't a good approach. | 16:15 |
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| thingee | This mainly comes and I take full responsibility of accepting capabilities like consistency groups | 16:15 |
| thingee | today not everyone can do such feature. One important driver being our current reference implementation | 16:15 |
| thingee | LVM | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: FTR LVM could do it, I just haven't had a chance to write the code and nobody else cares :) | 16:16 |
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| thingee | so I'd like to kick start a conversation that has been tried time and time again by others of deciding on something that can or is possible eventually to support consistency groups as well as other features the community is interested in cinder supporting | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Someone contacted me actually working on that right now. | 16:16 |
| thingee | jgriffith: this is cool, I had no idea! | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: sweet | 16:17 |
| thingee | consider me ignorant in this | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | thingee: yeah, it's not trivial, but it's doable | 16:17 |
| xyang1 | thingee: drbd is working on it, just don't kniw the exact timeline | 16:17 |
| thingee | jgriffith: what about some of the features being requested with tiramisu and cheesecake? | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: well, half the drivers can't do them anyway :( | 16:17 |
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| thingee | yeaa, so that's what's leading me down this path that we're just making things not better in cinder | 16:18 |
| xyang1 | thingee: also if we move to generic group, we can do group actions using lvm, at least for snapshot | 16:18 |
| thingee | today we have a lot of people that are happy with cinder and it's stance in this area, but things aren't getting better when we can't have something supported cross-driver wide | 16:18 |
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| ameade | i dont think it's drivers having differing capabilities, it's when the API isn't uniform based on the backend | 16:19 |
| thingee | so I would say for some of these features we need to work with other drivers and understand why this is a problem and is this something they can support at some time. | 16:19 |
| e0ne | thingee: agree. but we can't drop features replication and CGs | 16:19 |
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| thingee | e0ne: then def core can't even begin to support these | 16:20 |
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| e0ne | thingee: fair enough | 16:20 |
| xyang1 | thingee: I think we already have different capabilities betweent drivers with different volume types | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I think we may be distracting you... did you have a specific proposal? | 16:20 |
| thingee | xyang1: yeah it's just if we're moving away from extensions, do we see some of this just not something we tell def core to support? | 16:21 |
| e0ne | thingee: btw, I like the idea to contact drivers maintainers to help them implement these features | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: +1 | 16:21 |
| xyang1 | thingee: extention? | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: +1 | 16:21 |
| diablo_rojo | e0ne: +1 | 16:21 |
| ameade | the main issue here is different cinder APIs in different clouds right? | 16:21 |
| thingee | jgriffith: yes, my proposal was just to start the communication on the unknown of why drivers can't support some of these features. I'd like to understand before we move forward on making this even more difficult to understand. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | xyang1: jungleboyj that's the point of types and why I've argued these features should've been isolated to types and nothing more | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: agreed | 16:22 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee: That sounds like a good place to start | 16:22 |
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| ameade | there will definitely be features not everyone can support, otherwise we are just least common denominator again | 16:22 |
| e0ne | thingee: some vendors could care only about minimum features set | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | FWIW I'd like to go back to a policy of "if everybody can't do it, it doesn't go in the API" | 16:22 |
| ameade | e0ne: +1 | 16:22 |
| e0ne | but we can't extend this list without breaking a lot of drivers :( | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | and provide an extension mechanism for fancier things for those that want it | 16:22 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | I don't understand why this is a frustration point. | 16:23 |
| ameade | jgriffith: then you still end up with different apis | 16:23 |
| thingee | so action item here... | 16:23 |
| xyang1 | I thought we are moving away from extentions? | 16:23 |
| kmartin | jgriffith, we have that in Docker :) | 16:23 |
| thingee | who wants to work with me on understanding where drivers are in this area? | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | ameade: only for those that choose to explicitly add things | 16:23 |
| thingee | for consistency groups say | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | ameade: you're missing the point there | 16:23 |
| xyang1 | by using microversions | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | ameade: Cinder is kept lean/mean with common defcore functionality and nothing more | 16:23 |
| xyang1 | thingee: I can help you with cg | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | Each vendor has decided how to design their backend storage. We all have our special features. Customers choose a vendor and they can then access the features that are supported. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | ameade: if a vendor or a distro wants to add on to it, that's up to them | 16:23 |
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| thingee | xyang1: thanks! | 16:24 |
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| thingee | so xyang1 is going to help me with cg | 16:24 |
| thingee | who wants to help with cheese cake? | 16:24 |
| ameade | so the point of cinder is to only abstract out some functionality common between vendors | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | thingee: sure, not sure what I'm signing up for :) | 16:24 |
| thingee | I definitely need help there since I haven't been part of it's development or review | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | thingee: but I sign up for things all the time :) | 16:24 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: thanks! | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | Not sure I like the lowest common denominator approach. | 16:25 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: me neither | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | I've worked with storage apis that have stuck to that in the past. | 16:25 |
| ameade | +1 | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: such an ugly phrase :) | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | And they all eventually failed miserably. | 16:25 |
| thingee | Ok so the plan is for us to draw a list of drivers that do support, plan to, or just can't do these features | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: :) | 16:25 |
| cFouts | o/ | 16:25 |
| Swanson | If two drivers can support it cram it into the api. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I don't like the LCD approach. | 16:25 |
| thingee | I think this will give us a better picture of where we are at today. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: yeah, 2 out of 80 seems like good odds :) | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | I'm certainly for helping identify who doesn't support what and helping them to add that support. | 16:25 |
| e0ne | jungleboy: what is "LCD approach"? | 16:26 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Lowest Common Denominator | 16:26 |
| thingee | once we know who the people are that can't support these features, hopefully it's a small number and we can start communicating and asking why they can't | 16:26 |
| e0ne | thanks:) | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: What smcginnis said. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: diablo_rojo jungleboyj ameade ok... so by your logic I can just start dumping all my vendor unique features into Cinder's API's? | 16:26 |
| thingee | jgriffith, xyang1 ^ that's the plan, I'll start up some doc for us to collaborate on | 16:26 |
| ntpttr_ | if a user has a backend that doesn't support something in the API and they try and use it unknowingly, do they get some kind of message telling them that it failed because their backend doesn't support it? | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: :-) | 16:27 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee: Yeah I think it would be a good idea to get the lay of the land first before we make more decisions on where this should go | 16:27 |
| ameade | jgriffith: perhaps some, there are ways to have a uniform api with different capabilities | 16:27 |
| ntpttr_ | or is it just 'cinder failed to do this'? | 16:27 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: smcginnis about extension, are we moving away from it or continue? we are supposed to move all extensions to core for microversion | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Generally supported, but not completely ubiquitous is fine IMO. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | ameade: awesome! I'll get busy | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: __ | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ++ | 16:27 |
| thingee | ntpttr_: it depends, most of the things are admin related, not user related. Users typically interact with a feature via volume types, so they're not even aware of any of that. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | and we'll send out a rabbits foot with each cinder deployment to wish the operators good luck | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:27 |
| ameade | heh, or you could ask what those ways might be | 16:28 |
| xyang1 | ntpttr_: driver needs to report capabilities | 16:28 |
| ntpttr_ | thingee: ah gotcha, that makes sense | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | I think it ultimately comes down to the choice of the cloud admin and what services they want to provide. | 16:28 |
| guitarzan | smcginnis: sure, just make sure and keep the defcore people tamed :) | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | But that does raise the question of extensions and having the ability to turn things on and off. | 16:28 |
| xyang1 | ntpttr_: scheduler will not choose the driver that cannot support it | 16:28 |
| thingee | ntpttr_: example they might have a volume type from a cloud that is "super fast reliable storage" ... but behind the scenes it has some replication factor setting, it goes to ssd's, has some QOS burst setting. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Not sure what the right answer is here, but at least getting a clear scope of who can do what probably helps. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | guitarzan: ;) | 16:29 |
| xyang1 | I have an idea, I think we only need LVM in cinder. no more argument on what can be supported:) | 16:29 |
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| ameade | lets just not settle for an easy answer just because a better one may be hard | 16:29 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: +1 So then thingee will go and figure out who can do what and with that info we can make better decisions? | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: Problem solved. We can all go home now. :) | 16:29 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:30 |
| sheel | haha | 16:30 |
| scottda | xyang1: We can start by moving extensions that are supported by everyone to core | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: I think that is a good idea. | 16:30 |
| ameade | scottda: we haven't dont that yet? :P | 16:30 |
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| sheel | scottda: do we have such list with us? | 16:30 |
| e0ne | scottda: do you mean microversions? | 16:30 |
| scottda | ameade: no sheel No list yet e0ne yes, so we can microversion changes | 16:30 |
| xyang1 | scottda: sure | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | How many drivers really cant support CGs and replication versus just haven't implemented it yet. | 16:31 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: can I get an action item with xyang1 helping me on cg's and jgriffith helping me with cheesecake | 16:31 |
| thingee | mmmm cheesecake :) | 16:31 |
| sheel | scottda: so we can pick some common part first | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: are CG's and replication really worth implementing at all :) | 16:31 |
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| guitarzan | zing | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: for the 1% of deployments that use them or care about them | 16:31 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: right, that's the question I want to know | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | #action thingee and xyang1 to identify drivers with CG support | 16:32 |
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| thingee | 1) who supports these now | 16:32 |
| scottda | sheel: Yes, I'll get one started and after review to see how we want it to look, we can do the rest that are supported by all. | 16:32 |
| thingee | 2) who plans to | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | #action thingee and jgriffith to identify drivers with cheesecake support | 16:32 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: what have you done in Mitaka?:) | 16:32 |
| thingee | 3) who can't | 16:32 |
| * jungleboyj isn't going to start that discussion again. :-) | 16:32 | |
| jgriffith | xyang1: I said from the start it was a bad idea :) | 16:32 |
| thingee | and if #3, why? | 16:32 |
| sheel | scottda: sounds good.. i would like to help on it.. | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | thingee: sounds like a good plan | 16:32 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee: Good plan. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | thingee: +1 | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Seems reasonable. | 16:33 |
| thingee | thanks everyone for your support on this. I think understand the unknown here will really help us. | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: ++1 | 16:33 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee: +1 | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:33 |
| sheel | thingee: exactly.. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | thingee: oh... don't forget QoS is in the API now too | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | thingee: might need to add that to the list | 16:33 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: that's a good point | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Cool, anything else? | 16:34 |
| guitarzan | the qos api stuff doesn't really *do* anything though :) | 16:34 |
| * jungleboyj realizes I got through the summit design sessions with out a single heavy sigh. | 16:34 | |
| hemna | jungleboyj, need some help with that? | 16:34 |
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| ameade | jungleboyj: guess that streak is over | 16:35 |
| thingee | smcginnis: nope, thanks | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Hah! | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Thanks for bringing it up. Good to discuss if nothing else. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | #topic Midcycle | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | ameade: Ahhh, I am still good. Have bigger issues making me sigh. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | #link | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Doh | 16:35 |
| scottda | I'm sorry to report the hotels in Northern Colorado are pretty booked up the week of the mid-cycle (some big Softball Tournement). The hotel with HPE discount rate cannot block me rooms, and suggested other hotels will be pretty full. | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DT2Gj64efBDIvgG2j1W3jBw3u5Zs2btsWvQQOhn-j1g/edit Poorly formatted survey results | 16:35 |
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| ntpttr_ | airb&b ;)? | 16:36 |
| thingee | I'm going to try to cancel my other event to attend this one since I've had conflicts with the last midcycle :( | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | So our original plan doesn't look like it will work. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | ntpttr_: Hah! | 16:36 |
| scottda | I haven't actually checked with other hotels, but taking the one at their word it means we've an issue... | 16:36 |
| diablo_rojo | So we either change the week or change the location | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Yep. | 16:36 |
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| smcginnis | So either switch it to Dublin, or switch it to Ft Collins R-10. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | Or start over from scratch is an option as well I suppose. | 16:37 |
| ameade | how much to rent a yacht? | 16:37 |
| scottda | I contacted HPE Dublin (outside Dublin 15 miles, actually) and they can accomodate the same week. But I'll likely not go , so DuncanT or someone else would have to host. | 16:37 |
| gouthamr | ameade: +1 | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | ameade: Nice! | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | ameade: I have a beach house. :-) | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | The camping is nice in CO. :) | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:38 |
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| thingee | r-10 I definitely can't do. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | I am all for going with R-10 | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | seriously... all you fancy people and your new fangled hotels | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Is there any week where you don't have something going on? :) | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Says the guy who doesn't need one. Hey, we can just stay at jgriffith s house. ;-) | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | OK, we're all camping out in jgriffith 's barn. | 16:38 |
| e0ne | maybe virtual midcycle like Ironic did? | 16:38 |
| thingee | smcginnis: well some stuff I can't cancel, but this one might upset my father-in-law ;) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: +1 | 16:39 |
| thingee | can cancel* | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Defintiely a no go then! | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | Virtual is an option. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | But it seems like things work more smoothly if we can all sit down together. | 16:39 |
| diablo_rojo | What about R-9? | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | And have side conversations in breaks and after hours. | 16:39 |
| diablo_rojo | It was the third option | 16:39 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I'm absolutely agree with you | 16:39 |
| diablo_rojo | third most popular | 16:39 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I agree, even if I can't go | 16:40 |
| thingee | I can do r-9 | 16:40 |
| diablo_rojo | r-9 in Ft Collins would work for me | 16:40 |
| geguileo | Virtual means that we can still get pulled by other things | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Seems like it's getting a little too late to me. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: What were the dates there? | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Yeah, never works well for me in that format. | 16:40 |
| thingee | aug 1-5 | 16:40 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: Fair point | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | That is a little late. R-11? | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Was that a no-go for you? | 16:41 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj: That's Novas | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Schedule for reference: http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | Doh! | 16:41 |
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| thingee | yup r-11 is nova midcycle | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | Who all do we have that needs to be at both? | 16:42 |
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| scottda | I'm not sure conflict with NOva is such a bad thing. We had a good cross-project virtual meeting last time. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | My preference would be the same week in Dublin, or R-10 in CO. | 16:42 |
| diablo_rojo | scottda: I agree | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: ++ | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Good point. | 16:42 |
| e0ne | scottda: +1 | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Doing the virtual cross project has been beneficial in the past. | 16:42 |
| hemna | it worked well last midcycle | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | I know anteya didn't want that ... but if we can get the core team together ... | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | It was the lowest ranked in the survey, but that could just be because we tried to avoid the overlap. | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I think that was why I avoided it. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | It's probably not a bad thing. It kinda worked out well with the last midcycle. | 16:43 |
| diablo_rojo | We can vote here again? | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | What do folks think? Vote here in the meeting? | 16:44 |
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| scottda | sure | 16:44 |
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| thingee | if we did during the nova midcycle, that works for me. Not like our stuff has priority this cycle anyways | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | WFM | 16:45 |
| scottda | A quick decision helps with the planning | 16:45 |
| hemna | :( | 16:45 |
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| diablo_rojo | Works for me | 16:45 |
| thingee | and I don't mean that message as to be angry, to be clear, they have set their priorities already in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-priorities | 16:45 |
| thingee | and ildikov, jaypipes and I were the only ones there that spoke up for multi-attach | 16:46 |
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| diablo_rojo | How many cores do we have here? Since they are more important to the vote. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:46 |
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| thingee | o/ | 16:46 |
| geguileo | o/ | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | #startvote Midcycle planning? DublinJune27, FtCollinsJuly18, FtCollinsJuly25, DublinJuly18, DublinJuly18 | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Begin voting on: Midcycle planning? Valid vote options are DublinJune27, FtCollinsJuly18, FtCollinsJuly25, DublinJuly18, DublinJuly18. | 16:47 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | #vote FtCollinsJuly18 | 16:47 |
| thingee | #vote FtCollinsJuly18 | 16:47 |
| bswartz | #vote FtCollinsJune27 | 16:47 |
| openstack | bswartz: FtCollinsJune27 is not a valid option. Valid options are DublinJune27, FtCollinsJuly18, FtCollinsJuly25, DublinJuly18, DublinJuly18. | 16:47 |
| patrickeast | #vote FtCollinsJuly18 | 16:47 |
| * bswartz growls | 16:47 | |
| smcginnis | bswartz: :)\ | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | #vote FtCollinsJuly18 | 16:47 |
| diablo_rojo | #vote FtCollinsJuly18 | 16:47 |
| jgregor | #vote FtCollinsJuly18 | 16:48 |
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| geguileo | #vote DublinJune27 | 16:48 |
| scottda | #vote FtCollinsJuly18 | 16:48 |
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| e0ne | I will be unpopular | 16:48 |
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| tbarron | #vote DublinJune27 | 16:48 |
| xyang1 | #vote FtCollinsJuly18 | 16:48 |
| e0ne | #vote DublinJune27 | 16:48 |
| yuriy_n17 | #vote DublinJune27 | 16:48 |
| geguileo | e0ne: Don't worry, I'll be unpopular with you ;-) | 16:48 |
| e0ne | geguileo: :) | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: No second vote? | 16:49 |
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| hemna | #vote FtCollinsJuly18 | 16:49 |
| bswartz | #vote FtCollinsJuly18 | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Are you here? | 16:49 |
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| diablo_rojo | patrickeast: Going to vote? | 16:50 |
| kmartin | #vote FtCollinsJuly18 | 16:50 |
| patrickeast | diablo_rojo: i did | 16:50 |
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| diablo_rojo | patrickeast: Lol sorry didn't see you | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | Anyone else? | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | Going once? | 16:50 |
| diablo_rojo | patrickeast: Just so ninja fast I missed it | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | Going twice | 16:50 |
| patrickeast | diablo_rojo: haha | 16:50 |
| Swanson | Dell will only pay for EP. | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | #endvote | 16:51 |
| openstack | Voted on "Midcycle planning?" Results are | 16:51 |
| openstack | FtCollinsJuly18 (11): bswartz, scottda, hemna, thingee, jgregor, jgriffith, diablo_rojo, jungleboyj, kmartin, patrickeast, xyang1 | 16:51 |
| openstack | DublinJune27 (4): e0ne, tbarron, yuriy_n17, geguileo | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | #startvote Beginning of the week or end? BEGIN, END | 16:51 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: Beginning of the week or end? Valid vote options are BEGIN, END. | 16:51 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 16:51 |
| thingee | almost voted for CancunJuly18 | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | thingee: +1 :) | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:52 |
| bswartz | thingee: +1 | 16:52 |
| diablo_rojo | thingee: +1 | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | #vote END | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | #vote END | 16:52 |
| hemna | MauiJuly18th | 16:52 |
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| diablo_rojo | #vote END | 16:52 |
| patrickeast | if i don't have a preference should i just not vote? | 16:52 |
| thingee | #vote END | 16:53 |
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| jgregor | #vote END | 16:53 |
| sheel | we are left with 7 more minutes | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | patrickeast: Sure. | 16:53 |
| xyang1 | patrickeast: I am the same | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | Looks like pretty unanimous though. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | #endvote | 16:53 |
| openstack | Voted on "Beginning of the week or end?" Results are | 16:53 |
| openstack | END (5): jungleboyj, thingee, jgregor, smcginnis, diablo_rojo | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | #info Cinder midcycle July 12-14, hackday July 15. | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Just realized that wasn't a week you checked on hotels though. | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | Assuming we will be safe. | 16:54 |
| * smcginnis crosses fingers | 16:54 | |
| scottda | I"m on the phone now.... | 16:54 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: that is one week off | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | scottda: ;) | 16:54 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Wait, that is off. | 16:54 |
| thingee | smcginnis: should make an action to send out to the ML. | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: Oh, did I do the wrong dates? | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | YOu mean July 19-22 | 16:55 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: starts on July 19, yes | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | #action smcginnis to send out midcycle announcement to mailing list | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: Oops. :) | 16:55 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: Nice ;) | 16:55 |
| xyang1 | :) | 16:55 |
| scottda | I'm thinking of blocking around 12 rooms? | 16:55 |
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| thingee | ... #undo x2 | 16:56 |
| xyang1 | we can skip N-2 | 16:56 |
| scottda | or more? | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | #undo x2 | 16:56 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x9dfa9d0> | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | #info Cinder midcycle July 19-21, hackday July 22. | 16:56 |
| aimeeu | scottda: I'd like to go but will depend on cost, as I'm sure I will be paying my own way | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | Nice thing about Ft Collins is it's fairly cheap. | 16:56 |
| thingee | smcginnis: Oh I don't know if that syntax works ... just mean you'll have to do it twice :) | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | At least for us US folks. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | Meh | 16:57 |
| scottda | So I am hearing from the hotel that the HPE discount policy has changed... | 16:57 |
| thingee | people will figure it out... | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | #info Cinder midcycle July 19-21, hackday July 22. (FOR REAL) | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Good enough. :) | 16:57 |
| scottda | And I'd need to give my credit card now and pay for any cancellations... | 16:57 |
| thingee | ship it | 16:57 |
| scottda | something new and weird like that. | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: Lovely. | 16:57 |
| scottda | So, I'm not sure about getting discounted rooms :( | 16:57 |
| diablo_rojo | scottda: We won't cancel..probably ;) | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Don't do it then. I don't want you financially liable for anything. | 16:57 |
| xyang1 | scottda: you are responsible for all cancellayions? | 16:58 |
| scottda | Well, I cannot pay for anyone/eveyone in any case. | 16:58 |
| kmartin | Dublin it is :) | 16:58 |
| thingee | kmartin: +1 | 16:58 |
| * bswartz changes his vote to dublin | 16:58 | |
| smcginnis | scottda: It seemed to work well to just tell them we were visiting HP last couple times to get a cheap rate. | 16:58 |
| geguileo | kmartin: +1 | 16:58 |
| ameade | I put up a spec for the cheesecake backend promotion: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312591/ I think the alternate solution makes more sense to me now than the proposed | 16:58 |
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| ameade | if you have ideas please braindump | 16:58 |
| ameade | if you want to implement it, please volunteer | 16:58 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Open | 16:58 |
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| thingee | 2 mins left | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | 1:30 minutes | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:58 |
| scottda | So, the hotel said you can just call the front desk and get HPE rate... | 16:59 |
| sheel | :) | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | scottda: +1 Thanks! | 16:59 |
| patrickeast | heads up i got the ball rolling on using the cache as default for cinder https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312305/ | 16:59 |
| xyang1 | ameade: do you really want to bring it up? it will be removed any way:) | 16:59 |
| thingee | scottda: which hotel? | 16:59 |
| scottda | They just cannot reserve a block of rooms without a credit card. | 16:59 |
| ildikov | thingee: I will speak up when the FFE comes too :) | 16:59 |
| ameade | xyang1: lol | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Which one is it? | 16:59 |
| scottda | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/5467tVNI/ | 16:59 |
| * ildikov got pinged by IRC late... | 16:59 | |
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| scottda | That is from last year, so rates may have changed ^^^ | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Is that in the etherpad? | 17:00 |
| scottda | It will be soon... | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | I'll update it unless someone else gets to it first. | 17:00 |
| keedya | hi All | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | :) | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | OK, we're out of time. | 17:00 |
| diablo_rojo | link to the planning etherpad? | 17:00 |
| diablo_rojo | midcycle planning that is | 17:00 |
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| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 4 17:00:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-05-04-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-05-04-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-05-04-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 4 17:00:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
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| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:01 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:01 |
| keedya | hello | 17:01 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | #topic General | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | As always the agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | #info Audio meeting this week: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | Bridge 6555 | 17:01 |
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| vdrok | o/ | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | So discussion will be on the audio bridge this week. | 17:02 |
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| TheJulia | Also known as sip:6555@pbx.openstack.org | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | #topic Grenade work | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | #info https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | #info https://github.com/JohnVillalovos/devstack-gate-test | 17:03 |
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| vdrok | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220223/18 | 17:06 |
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| mgould | o/ | 17:08 |
| mgould | is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI the right etherpad? | 17:09 |
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| sambetts | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:10 |
| sambetts | mgould: ^ | 17:10 |
| mgould | sambetts, thanks! | 17:10 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | Are 3rd party CIs expected to run grenade tests as of now too? | 17:13 |
| rloo | gabriel-bezerra: no. not yet anyway :) | 17:14 |
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| gabriel-bezerra | Thank you, rloo :) | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | gabriel-bezerra, few (if any?) projects require grenade for third party CI testing | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | https://github.com/JohnVillalovos/devstack-gate-test/blob/master/ansible/roles/devstack-gate/files/ironic-grenade.sh#L157 | 17:18 |
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| krtaylor | please mute if you are not talking | 17:19 |
| rloo | please mute if you aren't talking! | 17:19 |
| rloo | like krtaylor sez :) thank you. | 17:20 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 17:20 |
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| jlvillal | If anyone came here late, we are doing an audio bridge today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | #info sambetts will investigate back-porting the use of the tarballs.openstack.org prebuilt TinyIPA into stable/mitaka | 17:28 |
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| vdrok | jobs on ironic using ipxe: tempest-dsvm-ironic-pxe_ipa-full, tempest-dsvm-ironic-pxe_ipa-postgres, tempest-dsvm-ironic-pxe_ipa, tempest-dsvm-ironic-pxe_ipmitool, tempest-dsvm-ironic-inspector | 17:29 |
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| jlvillal | #info jlvillal will test switching to use TinyIPA for the grenade test | 17:29 |
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| mgould | the code sambetts is talking about: https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate/blob/master/devstack-vm-gate.sh#L338 | 17:34 |
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| * mgould votes for dusting off and nuking that code from orbit, FWIW | 17:34 | |
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| jlvillal | #info Errors that jlvillal are seeing with grenade using the devstack-gate-test project: http://paste.openstack.org/show/495993/ & http://paste.openstack.org/show/496100/ | 17:36 |
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| sambetts | #info sambetts and mgould have been working to optimise nested VM boot times, using optimised tinyIPA we've cut boot times by 50%+ going from 3:17 (coreos) to 1:20 (tinyipa) | 17:37 |
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| wajdi | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:55 |
| JayF | ty | 17:55 |
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| jlvillal | #info Whiteboard to discuss Grenade work: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:55 |
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| rloo | jlvillal: for folks that want to help, get started, maybe update the etherpad to indicate what they can do/how to start. | 17:57 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:57 |
| sambetts | thanks everyone :) | 17:57 |
| jlvillal | rloo: Will do. Thanks | 17:57 |
| jlvillal | Thanks everyone | 17:57 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-05-04-17.00.html | 17:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-05-04-17.00.txt | 17:58 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 4 21:01:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:01 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:01 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:01 |
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| nadeem | o/ | 21:01 |
| * torgomatic is just here for the snacks | 21:01 | |
| ntata | hello! | 21:01 |
| redbo | me | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | o/ | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| redbo | oh wait are there snacks? | 21:01 |
| jrichli | snacks, where? | 21:01 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:01 |
| sgundur- | hi | 21:01 |
| acoles | here | 21:01 |
| bkeller` | o/ | 21:01 |
| timburke | ...did you guys not bring snacks? i brought snacks | 21:01 |
| notmyname | timburke: did you bring enough to share with everyone? | 21:02 |
| jrichli | ah, found some chips | 21:02 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | acoles probably has some topics | 21:02 |
| dmorita | o/ | 21:02 |
| timburke | notmyname: if you can get here, probably | 21:02 |
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| jrichli | mmm, topics ... | 21:02 |
| acoles | not on pay day | 21:02 |
| jrichli | ha! | 21:02 |
| notmyname | *groan* | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | acoles: so yuri had some snacks.... | 21:02 |
| jrichli | GROAN | 21:03 |
| notmyname | ok, let's get started :-) | 21:03 |
| notmyname | agenda is at | 21:03 |
| acoles | wait, is yuri on board? | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
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| mmotiani_ | hi | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #topic post summit | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "post summit (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:04 | |
| notmyname | so we had a summit last week | 21:04 |
| notmyname | I though it was pretty great. what'd you think? | 21:04 |
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| joeljwright | was great :) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | (a few topics to cover, but I'd love to hear any feedback first) | 21:04 |
| ntata | it was great! :) | 21:05 |
| timburke | so...much...meat... | 21:05 |
| jrichli | good stuff. yep | 21:05 |
| acoles | timburke: +1 | 21:05 |
| bkeller` | maybe more chairs | 21:06 |
| acoles | was good meeting newcomers in person | 21:06 |
| acoles | bkeller`: +1 recurring problem | 21:06 |
| kota_ | acoles: +1 | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | how was the balance of conference talks to fishbowl sessions (ops/community feedback) and the working sessions? | 21:06 |
| notmyname | anything we need to focus on or do differently next time? | 21:07 |
| joeljwright | was a shame to lose people during the working sessions | 21:07 |
| notmyname | did we have to much time or to little time? | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | no, I think it was a great mix | 21:07 |
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| jrichli | joeljwright: +1 - too many conflicts this time | 21:07 |
| acoles | op sessions were good, and fishbowl format seemed to be ok for them | 21:07 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: because of the conference stuff? | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | meeting to fish bowls i mean | 21:07 |
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| joeljwright | meetings to fish bowls was a good mix | 21:07 |
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| cutforth | hello - sorry i'm late | 21:08 |
| bkeller` | i think some of the stuff in the meetings could have been moved to friday before everyone split up | 21:08 |
| clayg | notmyname: having *two* fishbowls on ops (because of ops summit) was nice - there's always stuff to discuss there | 21:08 |
| cschwede | joeljwright: same for me, to many schedule conflicts | 21:08 |
| joeljwright | but the talks overlapping so much with the working sessions was a shame | 21:08 |
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| mattoliverau | who would have thought 2 ops sessions where completely taken up.. that's awesome | 21:08 |
| notmyname | the overlaps are always an issue, to some extent | 21:08 |
| jrichli | +1 fishbowls for ops good | 21:08 |
| clayg | notmyname: won't be anymore! | 21:08 |
| notmyname | we'll see. TBD I think | 21:09 |
| notmyname | the working sessions were the most informal/unstructured we've had at any summit | 21:09 |
| acoles | notmyname: imho we did not have too little time. did we even get to composite tokens? sharding? | 21:09 |
| redbo | It's a tough week, I propose that we change the summits to one day a week for a month. | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | acoles: nope | 21:09 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah the working sessions felt pretty hack-a-thon-y | 21:09 |
| notmyname | clayg: in a good way? | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | redbo: or "meet from 12-4, then again from 9pm to 1am?" | 21:09 |
| redbo | If the summits could be from 8pm to 4am, that would help me too. | 21:10 |
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| clayg | notmyname: it's fine for us? some people seem to have maybe struggled with lots going on, lots of people talking about different things, no way to "drop-in" to swift working session for a specific topic and still make it out to other teams more "scheduled" stuff | 21:10 |
| jrichli | I though thursday breaking up was good. IMHO, friday was too loose. for example, there was nothing captured on etherpad for that day at all. | 21:10 |
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| bkeller` | ^ | 21:10 |
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| jrichli | i guess because friday, i didnt know where people went. i only know about the groups i was in | 21:11 |
| clayg | jrichli: we should probably just organizie our friday's like we do the other days - it's supposed to be different - but we sorta know how we like to work when we get together - just a little structure | 21:11 |
| notmyname | was that different that the firday at previous summits? | 21:11 |
| clayg | anyway - it was great | 21:11 |
| notmyname | clayg: that's a great idea | 21:11 |
| clayg | notmyname: no, friday summit *used* to be the closest we get to hack-a-thons | 21:11 |
| jrichli | friday at tokyo was better - agian, cause i could at least see the different groups and find out what was being discussed if i wanted to | 21:11 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:12 |
| clayg | notmyname: but what we really want is somewhere in the middle - and I think wednesday afternoon and thursday we hit it | 21:12 |
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| joeljwright | clayg: +1 | 21:12 |
| clayg | i'm trying to remember friday tokyo | 21:12 |
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| pdardeau | clayg: +1 | 21:12 |
| acoles | clayg: my thought exactly :) | 21:12 |
| redbo | I think I went to robot restaurant | 21:12 |
| jrichli | it was a tiny room, so some left - but sort of lingered around the room | 21:12 |
| notmyname | while I really like the "multiple conversations at once" think (despite bad acoustics), we had some whole-group discussions with slightly more group discussion and structure | 21:12 |
| tdasilva | clayg: i don't think you can remember friday tokyo ;) | 21:13 |
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| jrichli | my last comment was about tokyo | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: yeah, we kept wondering where he and paul were ;-) | 21:13 |
| tdasilva | hehe | 21:13 |
| clayg | jrichli: oh right - i remmeber a lot of hall way at toyko - was the friday in the same throne room? we talked about keymasters in the hall? | 21:13 |
| acoles | friday tokyo was like speed dating meets swift topics | 21:13 |
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| jrichli | yep, keymaster in the hall ... wiht the knife | 21:13 |
| acoles | jrichli: has a thing about knives ;) | 21:14 |
| clayg | lol | 21:14 |
| jrichli | lol. i was thinking of Clue | 21:14 |
| clayg | jrichli: acoles' people probably have a different name for it | 21:14 |
| clayg | jrichli: and he probably invited the game (but didn't get credit) | 21:14 |
| acoles | we do. whatever it might be. | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | yeah the game is cluedo | 21:15 |
| acoles | clayg: lol | 21:15 |
| notmyname | I can tell we all jsut spent a week together. so many inside jokes | 21:15 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: yeah that's it! | 21:15 |
| clayg | good times | 21:15 |
| notmyname | ok, so austin formats... | 21:15 |
| redbo | I got several knives in tokyo, I like them. | 21:15 |
| notmyname | let's try to do more like wed afternoon and thursday | 21:15 |
| tdasilva | what's up with texas and knives | 21:15 |
| acoles | jrichli: clayg OIC I get it now, in the hall... | 21:15 |
| jrichli | redbo: ill have to check it out *if* i happen to go to San Antonio soon. acoles :-) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | (or at least the parts of thursday that weren't the multi-hour goland discussion? ;-) | 21:16 |
| acoles | notmyname: we always seem to mis-fire on our first session, then get going, maybe next time we should try to remind ourselves how to kick start the sessions | 21:16 |
| jrichli | remove a table! | 21:16 |
| notmyname | yeah | 21:17 |
| notmyname | jrichli: yes! | 21:17 |
| notmyname | shall we move on to specific post-summit follow up stuff now? | 21:17 |
| acoles | so whatever context we are in, first remove a table. sounds like a good axiom and I like those. | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | acoles: might be awkward at dinner | 21:18 |
| clayg | rofl | 21:18 |
| acoles | rofl too | 21:18 |
| jrichli | lol. could be abstracted to removing barriers | 21:18 |
| hurricanerix | I would appreciate it if all table jokes going forward were updated to the appropriate SQL syntax... | 21:18 |
| redbo | (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ | 21:18 |
| notmyname | #topic post-summit: no more specs | 21:18 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "post-summit: no more specs (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:18 | |
| clayg | it's too much | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | one thing we discussed at the summit is how specs are (not) working for us | 21:19 |
| jrichli | redbo: so great | 21:19 |
| notmyname | here's the email I'm going to send | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ZHWszY0GuN | 21:19 |
| notmyname | but first I need to copy over the existing open specs to a wiki page | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | once that's done (this afternoon?) then I'll send that email to the -dev mailing list | 21:19 |
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| mattoliverau | great | 21:20 |
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| redbo | I like it | 21:21 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:21 |
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| clayg | notmyname: i like the postive message - i think the problems you've identified with specs-as-code-review are sort of universially accepted | 21:21 |
| notmyname | also, it's pretty close to your original wording? ;-) | 21:21 |
| notmyname | it's definitely the result of a group effort. thank you for your help on it | 21:22 |
| clayg | notmyname: but this message has a hint of hopeful ignorence - there's a lot of stuff we're going to have to "figure out" that's not listed there - esp. the note about "project management planning" that review-landed-specs were sort of granfathered into | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: love the 'where hope goes to die" part! | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: that was fun to write :-) | 21:22 |
| notmyname | clayg: yeah, definitely. and jrichli has brought up some very valid concerns related to discoverability of previous conversations | 21:23 |
| joeljwright | don't forget 'facilitate communication without encouraging despair' | 21:23 |
| clayg | notmyname: it's probably fine to broadcase the new reality - but the nuanced situation on the ground is we're moving a lot closer back to square one - despite a good attempt at specs - we're still trying to figure it out - and for now we want less rules not more | 21:23 |
| joeljwright | another choice phrase :D | 21:23 |
| notmyname | clayg: yep. my feelings exactly | 21:23 |
| tdasilva | yeah, i was wondering if that should be made mroe clear, that we are still just trying to figure out... | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | if anyone has further comments, feel free to reach out to me publicly or privately | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | also, do you think it would be helpful to point out to folks that when writing specs it is usefult to use a tool that makes providing comments back easy | 21:24 |
| jrichli | the mail LGTM | 21:25 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: for now, less structure the better IMO. let's address that if we actually have people who are using tools that don't encourage feedback | 21:25 |
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| clayg | tdasilva: i'm not sure we know that for sure - if the easiest way to discuss is a spec is to pick up a phone/skype/hangout - maybe that's an imporvement over comments on a etherpad/wiki/gerrit ? | 21:25 |
| clayg | notmyname: +1 | 21:25 |
| tdasilva | notmyname, clayg: good points | 21:26 |
| notmyname | #topic post-summit: crypto merge plan | 21:26 |
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| clayg | oh snap | 21:26 |
| notmyname | acoles: jrichli: wheeee! | 21:26 |
| bkeller` | good luck | 21:26 |
| notmyname | is https://trello.com/b/63l5zQhq/swift-encryption up to date? | 21:26 |
| acoles | notmyname: reasonably up to date and jrichli has added more this week | 21:27 |
| notmyname | greap | 21:27 |
| notmyname | *great | 21:27 |
| jrichli | should be, for the most part. there were some items disucssed last week - i think we tried to capture those | 21:27 |
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| jrichli | will look at that in the next couple days | 21:27 |
| acoles | and I wrote an overview doc draft which will help as an on-ramp I hope for reviews. it sould be a spec , but... | 21:27 |
| notmyname | ok. looks like a lot in the todo column | 21:27 |
| acoles | https://review.openstack.org/312096 | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift+branch:feature/crypto | 21:28 |
| jrichli | notmyname: make sure you are looking at "reduced scope" column | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: yeah, that's the longest one! | 21:28 |
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| jrichli | :-( oh. | 21:29 |
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| jrichli | i guess it grew from last week. believe it or not, that is progress in a way | 21:29 |
| notmyname | with the current crypto patches open, where's the place to start? | 21:29 |
| jrichli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305794/ is next to merge | 21:29 |
| patchbot | jrichli: patch 305794 - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - only set body crypto meta if body is read... | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:30 |
| acoles | notmyname: swift priority review page | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ah. perfect | 21:30 |
| jrichli | timburke: thanks for the review | 21:31 |
| acoles | notmyname: there are a few "cleanup" patches in a chain from patch 305794 which I'd like to merge soon | 21:31 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305794/ - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - only set body crypto meta if body is read... | 21:31 |
| notmyname | and so patch 156923 is what we need outside fo the crypto branch | 21:31 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156923/ - swift - Refactor server side copy as middleware | 21:31 |
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| acoles | notmyname: oh yeah, of course if we have review cycle please review copy middleware ^^ | 21:32 |
| acoles | will help so much to get that on master | 21:32 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:32 |
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| jrichli | yes. tdasilva said he was going to upload a patch soon to address the recent comments | 21:32 |
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| clayg | tdasilva has the ball | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | acoles: and did you already pull out the BYOK stuff? I don't think I realized that it was actually done (or alternatively that it was so relatively small) | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | almost there | 21:33 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: thanks | 21:33 |
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| acoles | notmyname: not yet, its not huge | 21:34 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:34 |
| jrichli | did we decide to pull it out now for sure? i thought we were maybe going to see if we could find solutions to potential issues now | 21:34 |
| acoles | the etherpad says we did :) | 21:34 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:34 |
| clayg | boom! | 21:34 |
| clayg | etherpad don't lie | 21:34 |
| notmyname | but I saw a video of a demo where it worked! | 21:34 |
| jrichli | ah, ok. lol | 21:34 |
| jrichli | i know, right? | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | I thought no BYOK for initial merge, it'll be a follow up to master | 21:35 |
| notmyname | right. that's what we said last week | 21:35 |
| jrichli | ok | 21:35 |
| notmyname | to keep scope smaller to focus on getting something done rather than everything done all at once | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | and having to potentially define all the areas that wont work with it | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | and IMO also because jsut getting cluster-key encryption is a lot easier that trying to describe to users "if you do it this other way, some stuff probably breaks" | 21:36 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yep | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: that's the biggest issue I have with it | 21:36 |
| acoles | yep, much as I'd like to have it there, I agree with John that we shoot for minimum useful feature set to get on master and then improve from there. | 21:36 |
| clayg | i acctually had some thoughts on how a byok scheme might work with an integrated keyserver & auth & service accounts - and it could potentially allow some neat features for users (secure erase) - but I didn't want to bring it up because I didn't want to distract from storage-service-managed keys | 21:36 |
| joeljwright | acoles: +1 | 21:36 |
| notmyname | clayg: cool | 21:36 |
| acoles | notmyname: exactly, BYOK could drag us into pondering too many unknowns | 21:36 |
| jrichli | clayg: write it down somewhere for later :-) | 21:37 |
| notmyname | ok, looking at the time, let's move on to the next topic | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | clayg: topic -- link | 21:37 |
| clayg | it's a little more than MVP tho - there's a bunch of caveats with a pure BYOK (cluster only has access to decrypted data when user hands them a key) | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | #topic feature/hummingbird plan | 21:37 |
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| clayg | zomgreplication! | 21:37 |
| notmyname | the other biggest topic of the week... | 21:37 |
| clayg | and all the buzz on the ML! | 21:38 |
| notmyname | summary of what we talked about last week and the plan for hummingbird within swift: | 21:38 |
| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093680.html | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | which prompted the TC to ask for a governance resolution, thus resulting in this email | 21:38 |
| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/093795.html | 21:38 |
| notmyname | (and subsequent replies) | 21:38 |
| notmyname | and this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312267/ | 21:38 |
| patchbot | notmyname: patch 312267 - governance - update approved programming languages to include go | 21:38 |
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| clayg | notmyname: you've been busy | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | so lots of stuff going on there right now. | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | the biggest questions are around the CI/gate support. eg how to reference dependencies and stuff like that. there's been a little bit around sharing code and all that | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | but the good news is that there's at least one other project that's already also looking at having a go component too | 21:40 |
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| * clayg suspects redbo was involved ^ | 21:40 | |
| notmyname | (designate -- the dns service thing) | 21:40 |
| dfg_ | huh- i didn't know that | 21:40 |
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| clayg | redbo loves dns | 21:40 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:41 |
| notmyname | point is, there's lots of questions to answer, and not just about what we do with our own codebase | 21:41 |
| cschwede | iirc one of the keynotes, Intel also ported (part of?) Nova internally, so there is some interest in other projects as well | 21:41 |
| notmyname | the good news is that we've got a little while to figure some of this out | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: yeah. they did. but they kinda did it completely separately from the rest of the community, at that hasn't gone over well | 21:41 |
| cschwede | notmyname: yep, indeed | 21:42 |
| clayg | redbo loves community | 21:42 |
| notmyname | I'm actually hoping that doesn't "poison the well" about this stuff | 21:42 |
| nadeem | :D | 21:42 |
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| redbo | I haven't really seen it, but I did watch one episode where they play D&D and it was pretty good. | 21:42 |
| mattoliverau | lol, great comeback! | 21:43 |
| dfg_ | notmyname: you should just add the header "adapt or die" to help grease the wheels | 21:43 |
| clayg | notmyname: so... in the meantime | 21:43 |
| notmyname | dfg_: yeah, ultimatimes are awesoem | 21:43 |
| pdardeau | dfg_: good one! | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ok, so I'm hoping that while acoles and jrichli and team are getting the last crypto patches landed, we can answer the questions specifically about the minimal feature set that we want to land | 21:43 |
| notmyname | then we spend the rest of the cycle actually getting that ready to land and helping the rest of the openstack community figure out the other questions | 21:44 |
| notmyname | and that's the plan | 21:44 |
| notmyname | #topic post-summit: other stuff | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | client updates? tiering? symlinks? sharding? other stuff was discussed or should have been discussed and there's always a ton going on | 21:45 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: did you get anywhere with docs versioning? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | any quick updates from those? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: nope, not yet | 21:45 |
| dfg_ | i will say i've been surprised about how receptive things have been so far. when i think back to all the flame wars on openstack dev over the years... | 21:45 |
| dfg_ | but anyway... | 21:45 |
| jrichli | I got a brain dump from hrou on symlinks and plan to get together a wiki or something that summarizes history and where we are at now | 21:45 |
| kota_ | jrichli: sounds great. | 21:46 |
| notmyname | jrichli: thank you for taking over on that one! :-) | 21:46 |
| clayg | jrichli: just encrypt that and throw away the key until after your *other* huge feature lands!? | 21:46 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:46 |
| ntata | jrichli, thank you | 21:46 |
| redbo | I'm not super happy that if people try things out on their own, like if it's something they don't even know if it will work, everyone screams "4 opens!" and shuns them forever. | 21:47 |
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| mattoliverau | I pulled Sam and John aside thurning Thursday sessions and talked about sharding problems I had.. Sam gave me enough to go on. I really also need to do some benchmarking (IBM guys were doing that but have disapeeared). | 21:47 |
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| joeljwright | redbo: you have a point there | 21:47 |
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| bkeller` | i've been talking to searchlight about notifications. hopefully i'll have a plan put together by next week for feedback | 21:48 |
| pdardeau | mattoliverau: remember mmotiani is willing to help! | 21:48 |
| clayg | redbo: well idk about the shuns forever part - but there's something to be said about failing openly | 21:48 |
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| acoles | jrichli: i wrote some stuff down on the plane about what clayg and I and maybe others discussed about symlinks | 21:48 |
| joeljwright | it is hard to make the transition from private to public though | 21:48 |
| mmotiani_ | mattoliverau: I can help | 21:48 |
| joeljwright | hard to let go | 21:48 |
| mattoliverau | pdardeau: mmotiani_ great! | 21:48 |
| clayg | jrichli: he's only saying that so he can document how wrong I was later when he has a better idea | 21:48 |
| jrichli | acoles: great! where? | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: acoles: seat-back pockent of 33D | 21:49 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:49 |
| jrichli | notmyname: sounds about right! | 21:49 |
| acoles | on paper :( battery was dead. and I'd also like us to write down once and for all why a POST cannot update two resources - what we went through on a whitebard in Austin | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:49 |
| joeljwright | 33D? at least he had an aisle seat! | 21:49 |
| acoles | notmyname: not far off | 21:49 |
| notmyname | acoles: yes. so we don't have to do it yet again! | 21:49 |
| acoles | can jrichli go look for that whiteboard | 21:49 |
| tdasilva | acoles: I had a good discussion here on Monday of lessons learned with tiering in gluster and ceph, need to find a way to share and continue discussion... | 21:50 |
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| clayg | acoles: you mean toyko - or maybe you mean austin hackathon '15 | 21:50 |
| acoles | clayg: those too ;) | 21:50 |
| notmyname | ok...gotta move on | 21:50 |
| clayg | tdasilva: oh that's interesting... | 21:50 |
| acoles | clayg: actually I'm on board with your thinking | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | if you're thinking about something, write it down and link to it on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/ideas | 21:50 |
| kota_ | I talked about high-level overview of composite ring with pdardeau in Thu morning, and probably we need more continuous discussin for implementation secific side in this cycle. | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | #topic rolling upgrade test status | 21:51 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: exactly. | 21:51 |
| notmyname | cschwede: you're still waiting on patch 297311 to land | 21:51 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297311/ - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Run swift services on subnode | 21:51 |
| notmyname | cschwede: that's the blocker right? | 21:51 |
| redbo | clayg: maybe we need a failed ideas wiki page too | 21:51 |
| cschwede | notmyname: no, the blocker is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304465/ | 21:51 |
| patchbot | cschwede: patch 304465 - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Use subnodes for Swift storage nodes in a multinod... | 21:51 |
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| clayg | redbo: it's a large set :\ | 21:51 |
| notmyname | cschwede: ok, thanks | 21:51 |
| ntata | jrichli, acoles, tdasilva I'm interested in being a part of further understanding and discussing symlinks.. Was a part of most of the discussions at the summit.. | 21:51 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: i might abandon the other one, need to re-check. but patch 304465 is the important one | 21:52 |
| patchbot | cschwede: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304465/ - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Use subnodes for Swift storage nodes in a multinod... | 21:52 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: i will ping infra beginning of next week, asking for comments on it | 21:52 |
| notmyname | cschwede: ok. etherpad needs updating | 21:52 |
| jrichli | ntata: great! we will keep you informed | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: great. let me know where I can help | 21:52 |
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| ntata | jrichli, thanks! | 21:53 |
| notmyname | ok, last topic | 21:53 |
| acoles | ntata: sure, hopefully jrichli can keep us all in the loop somehow | 21:53 |
| notmyname | #topic notmyname needs help | 21:53 |
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| ntata | acoles, +1 | 21:53 |
| notmyname | while we could spend a *long* time on this topic... | 21:53 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:53 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:53 |
| clayg | i have to pee | 21:53 |
| notmyname | there are 2 things specifically I'd like to get help with | 21:53 |
| redbo | cherish that, clayg | 21:54 |
| notmyname | first, does anyone remember gholt's ring docs? | 21:54 |
| jrichli | oh. that is one for my quotes compilation | 21:54 |
| clayg | notmyname: I do! | 21:54 |
| notmyname | turns out they disappeared from the internet, but I talked to him and he found an old copy on the wayback machine | 21:54 |
| clayg | notmyname: that was back from before I hated rings with a burning passion of a thousand suns - good times | 21:54 |
| clayg | notmyname: yay! | 21:55 |
| notmyname | and greg gave me a pdf version of it and his blessing to include it upstream in swift's doc tree | 21:55 |
| notmyname | so I'ld like help from someone to convert it to .rst and propose it to swift | 21:55 |
| pdardeau | notmyname: i'll take it | 21:55 |
| clayg | whoot! we need to add a section on stable rebalancing tho - it was always decidely lacking from the blog series | 21:55 |
| notmyname | pdardeau: thanks. I'll email it to you | 21:55 |
| notmyname | next thing... | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | I've been promising to migrate the pyeclib/liberasure code repos into the openstack namespace (yay big tent), but I obviously haven't done this yet | 21:56 |
| clayg | ohyeah | 21:56 |
| kota_ | yup | 21:56 |
| notmyname | I've looked at some of the docs on how to do it, but I havne't had time to sit down for a few hours and get it all figured out | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | I'd love for someone to take point on this. I'll be happy to help, but I'm admitting defeat on getting it done myself | 21:56 |
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| tdasilva | I can do it | 21:57 |
| notmyname | mostl it will be walking through the -infra guide and updating yaml files and doing git commands (I think) | 21:57 |
| * tellesnobrega is away: I'm busy | 21:57 | |
| notmyname | tdasilva: thank you! | 21:57 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I can email you the summary and links to what I've found | 21:58 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: sounds good | 21:58 |
| notmyname | pdardeau and tdasilva thank you very much | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | anythign else in the last 2 minutes to discuss? | 21:58 |
| clayg | tdasilva: do you have any experience with the stackforge/openstack-affiliated project stuff? | 21:58 |
| mattoliverau | In my jeglagged state, I've been looking at Andy's Openstack-Ansible swift repo, that also is used to inst | 21:59 |
| mattoliverau | all swift into containers and run functional tests. And attempting to turn it into another SAIO that simul | 21:59 |
| mattoliverau | ates the world better.. watch this space.. i hope. | 21:59 |
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| tdasilva | clayg: a while while back we had to move swiftonfile to stackforge and then to openstack | 21:59 |
| clayg | kota_: wouldn't this be basically the same thing you did with swift3? | 21:59 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: cool | 21:59 |
| mattoliverau | wow, nice splitting of a line irc client | 21:59 |
| cschwede | clarkb: iirc, stackforge is in archive mode | 21:59 |
| cschwede | eh, sorry, clayg ^^ | 21:59 |
| kota_ | clayg: ah, i was missing the recent last comment in meeting | 21:59 |
| clarkb | cschwede: the stackforge namespace is archived but there are non openstack project hosted under openstack/ | 21:59 |
| notmyname | sounds like tdasilva is an expert | 22:00 |
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| clayg | kota_: notmyname was trying to trick someone into doing the pyeclib/libearsure repo migration to openstack | 22:00 |
| clarkb | really openstack/ is an implementat detail that has to do with git replication to github. "stackforge" the idea continues to live on | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | ok, we're at full time | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thank you everyone for coming. it was great to see you last week, and than you for your work on swift | 22:00 |
| cschwede | clarkb: thx for the details! | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 4 22:00:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-05-04-21.01.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-05-04-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-05-04-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
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